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Credlin | 24 March · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Great to have your company.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up for the show this evening. The
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Speaker 2: politicians on their way back to Canberra. Jim charm was
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Speaker 2: forced to hand down the budget. Labour never wanted to
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Speaker 2: deliver all the analysis on what to expect shortly, including
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Speaker 2: just another less than positive poll today for the government
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Speaker 2: as young people turn away from labor and towards the Greens.
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Speaker 2: Labour twos talk tough on taking the Port of Darwin
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Speaker 2: off its Chinese connected owners, but today it's been exposed
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Speaker 2: as little.
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Speaker 3: More than an election ploy.
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Speaker 2: Our NT correspondent Matt Cunningham's report coming up plus inside
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Speaker 2: the Muslim Vote movement as an army of volunteers seek
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Speaker 2: to topple several high profile labor ministers. Well doctor reporter
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Speaker 2: who's been out on the ground in Western Sydney for weeks.
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Speaker 2: As the push to harness the Islamic vote has Labour
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Speaker 2: campaigners worried, and even before the start has gone, has
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Speaker 2: been fired by the PM. The campaign dirty tricks already
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Speaker 2: in full display. The husband of Ku Yong Ti or
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Speaker 2: Menique Ryan caught out taking down her opponents sign.
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Speaker 4: Each So hang on, mate, what are you doing?
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Speaker 5: I'm taking the side out?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, beg you pardon.
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Speaker 1: It's I'm taking the side out.
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Speaker 6: What are you doing that for?
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Speaker 7: It's on public land.
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Speaker 6: I'm not saying here I am caught red handed, wasn't he.
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Speaker 3: We'll go back up that in a moment.
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Speaker 2: But first it might be budget week in Canberra, but
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Speaker 2: really it's week one of the election campaign. Every day
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Speaker 2: now from Labor there's yet another spending announcement in the
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Speaker 2: hope they'll bribe you with your own money. Today some
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Speaker 2: two billion dollars more for public schools in Queensland, even
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Speaker 2: though more money, and we know this from better experience,
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Speaker 2: don't we, doesn't always get you a better educational outcome.
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Speaker 2: Tomorrow night, the Treasurer will deliver a spenderthon vote buying
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Speaker 2: budget and the Opposition leader will respond on Thursday with
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Speaker 2: a ferocious critique of three years of bad government. Now,
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Speaker 2: this really has been a shocker of a federal government,
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Speaker 2: arguably the worst in living memory, possibly the worst ever.
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Speaker 2: But there won't be the slightest contrition or concession from
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Speaker 2: either the treasure or the PM tomorrow night. Instead, it'll
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Speaker 2: all be Labour's supposed good economic management in avoiding a
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Speaker 2: recession and delivering two surpluses, even though we've had a
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Speaker 2: household recession for the past two years and the surpluses
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Speaker 2: are entirely driven by our mining industry on our labor politicians.
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Speaker 2: Since the election of the Albanezer government, there's been an
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Speaker 2: eight percent fall in living standards, the worst by far
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Speaker 2: in the developed world, and there's been two years of
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Speaker 2: falling GDP per person. Almost everything the government's done has
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Speaker 2: made a bad situation worse, partly because this PM's not
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Speaker 2: up to the job intellectually, but also because he's weak
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Speaker 2: and his answer to all almost every problem isn't to
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Speaker 2: sort it out. It's just to throw more of your
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Speaker 2: money at it and hope it goes away. Now, no
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Speaker 2: credible leader there is their head in the sand. But
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Speaker 2: this is what this bloke does, and that's why voters
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Speaker 2: are so disillusioned. Pole after poll shows that people think
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Speaker 2: our country is headed in the wrong direction, that the
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Speaker 2: government does not deserve to be re elected, and that
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Speaker 2: the PM's a week and out of his depths. Now,
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Speaker 2: unfortunately those things stand. The most likely election outcome is
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Speaker 2: a minority labor government depended on the Greens and the
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Speaker 2: teals for survival. So an even worse government next term
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Speaker 2: than this one, with even more spending, more regulating and taxing,
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Speaker 2: and a failure to address any of the key issues
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Speaker 2: that are holding our country back. Take energy well, the
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Speaker 2: government endlessly repeats the line that the sun and the
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Speaker 2: wind don't send you a power bill. The power companies
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Speaker 2: do in order to cover the cost of new wind
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Speaker 2: and solar infrastructure, the cost of the new transmission lines
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Speaker 2: needed for a decentralized grid, and the cost of the
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Speaker 2: batteries and the gaspeakers needed to keep the.
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Speaker 3: Lights on when the wind won't.
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Speaker 2: Blow and the sun doesn't shine. Take the economy. Interest
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Speaker 2: rates have gone up further than they needed to because
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Speaker 2: of the government's spending addiction. Then there's the higher housing
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Speaker 2: costs and lower wage levels flowing from the government's inability
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Speaker 2: to rain in record migration, running it close to half
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Speaker 2: a million newcomers every year. The government blames the household
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Speaker 2: recession on factors beyond its control.
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Speaker 3: Says the Ukraine War.
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Speaker 2: But that war had well and truly broken out when
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Speaker 2: the government kept reiterating its promise to capture power bill
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Speaker 2: by two hundred and seventy five dollars per household per year.
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Speaker 2: Take social cohesion. Almost The first act of the almen
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Speaker 2: Easy government was to create an effect three national flags
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Speaker 2: by elevating the Aboriginal and the RGS Straight Island the
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Speaker 2: flags to equal status with the one and only national
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Speaker 2: flag that represents all Australians. Then there's the reckless importation
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Speaker 2: of foreign hatreds via the almost incomprehensible stupidity of issuing
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Speaker 2: three thousand tourist visas to people from terrorist controlled Gaza,
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Speaker 2: plus two the government's total failure to deport a prosecute
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Speaker 2: hate preachers, plus its tacit encouragement of due hatred by
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Speaker 2: consistently voting against Israel at the United Nations Take national security.
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Speaker 2: It won't have escaped anyone's notice. But the only available
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Speaker 2: ship to shadow the recent Chinese task force and its
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Speaker 2: sail by shooting along our coastline was a New Zealand
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Speaker 2: ship to fund Orcus subs. In ten years time, our
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Speaker 2: current defense spending has again dropped below two percent of GDP.
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Speaker 3: Two percent. It's got to be a joke.
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Speaker 2: Even though numerous businesses can't get reliable staff there's over
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Speaker 2: a million working age Australians on the doll and the
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Speaker 2: disability bill is exploding thanks to an NDIS that's become
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Speaker 2: a gravy train for dodgy businesses as well as a
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Speaker 2: racket for people whose disabilities are relatively modest, people who
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Speaker 2: we should be helping into a job, not leaving them
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Speaker 2: behind on welfare for a lifetime. Now as things stand,
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Speaker 2: with the latest Newsport Today confirming a narrow coalition lead,
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Speaker 2: and that's been the trend now for over eighteen months,
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Speaker 2: but still not enough for Dutton to win in his
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Speaker 2: own right. Will soon be saddled with an Alban Easy
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Speaker 2: adam Band government where Labour's dependence on the Greens and
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Speaker 2: the Tears will only compound our problems.
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Speaker 3: Make no mistake.
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Speaker 2: If Labor were not in bed with the Greens, they
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Speaker 2: preference them last. But that will never happen because Labour
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Speaker 2: needs Green preferences to survive. That's why this is such
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Speaker 2: a big week for the opp Decision two because Peter
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Speaker 2: Dutton's reply will be his one nationally televised speech before
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Speaker 2: the polls open to save Australia from an Alban Easy
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Speaker 2: bad sort of Frankenstein nightmare. Dutton's speech will need to
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Speaker 2: be the speech of his life. Today the Coalition flagged
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Speaker 2: adjusting the so called safeguard mechanism, the requirement for large
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Speaker 2: emitters to buy carbon credits, basically a carbon tax on
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Speaker 2: heavy industries and the coal and the gas extraction. We
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Speaker 2: need to pay our way in the world now, why
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Speaker 2: not just abolish the bloody thing as a clear signal
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Speaker 2: to voters that the Coalition won't let the false gods
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Speaker 2: of reducing emissions that keep putting up our cost of living,
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Speaker 2: destroy jobs and drive our industries off shore. Come on, Coalition,
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Speaker 2: enough of the mucking around. The only way to beat
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Speaker 2: a first term government, even one as bad as this,
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Speaker 2: is to set up an absolutely clear contest. The Coalition
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Speaker 2: needs to shift into gear, take up the fight to labor,
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Speaker 2: not run away from it, and honestly take them head on.
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Speaker 2: No Parliament today, but it's back in for Forth tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: We'll go there now to Canberra for the headlines with
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Speaker 2: skyniy's political reporter Julia Bradley.
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Speaker 4: It's a big week for the federal government and the opposition.
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Speaker 4: Both major parties are working to sell their economic messages
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Speaker 4: ahead of the budget and an election, which could be
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Speaker 4: called as early as this weekend. The alban Eazy government
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Speaker 4: is sprooking its fiscal responsibility, nominating two point one billion
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Speaker 4: dollars in extra savings. It says it's found in part
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Speaker 4: by cutting consultants.
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Speaker 8: It's an important budget that will set Australia up on
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Speaker 8: the path to a better future.
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Speaker 4: Tuesday's budget will show a return to deficit for the
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Speaker 4: first time in three years, foroing two consecutive surpluses. The
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Speaker 4: oppositions yet to say how it'll pay for Labour's pledges,
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Speaker 4: which it's promised to match. It'll make a major announcement
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Speaker 4: on Thursday when delivering a budget reply speech. The Coalition
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Speaker 4: is promising cheaper energy the first term of a Dutton
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Speaker 4: led government by increasing the supply of gas. Key crossbenches
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Speaker 4: have snubbed the government's latest energy rebate, which will give
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Speaker 4: Australians an extra one hundred and fifty dollars this year,
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Speaker 4: arguing more intervention is needed to lower power prices.
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Speaker 8: This is about putting Australia first.
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Speaker 3: How about that.
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Speaker 1: Australia doesn't have a gas supply shortage, we have a
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Speaker 1: gas export.
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Speaker 4: Problem and the battle for the former Blue Ribbon Victorian
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Speaker 4: Seed of Couyong is ramping up. The husband of Independent
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Speaker 4: tear MP Menik Bryan has been spotted ripping down a
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Speaker 4: core flute backing her Liberal Party challenger.
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Speaker 9: It's not taking a sign out.
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Speaker 4: What are you doing that for?
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Speaker 3: It's on public land.
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Speaker 8: I'm not saying who I am.
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Speaker 4: The member issued an apology about an hour after the
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Speaker 4: clip emerged on the age. The video was filmed by
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Speaker 4: Liberal Party supporter who was visiting his parents in the
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Speaker 4: suburb of Camberwell on Saturday.
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Speaker 2: As I said, it's shocking, look, isn't it. We'll come
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Speaker 2: back to that in the moment. Bud Budget Week lots
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Speaker 2: to get through. Let's bring in the Australians. National editor
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Speaker 2: Dennis Shanahan Sky on his contributor Chris Juelman gens welcome Dennis.
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Speaker 3: Budget Week.
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Speaker 2: As I said, election to be called. I think that's
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Speaker 2: the general consensus this weekend or earlier. We'll getting to
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Speaker 2: Newsport in a moment. But high stakes tomorrow night for
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Speaker 2: the treasure, isn't it. He's got to set up Labour's
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Speaker 2: election platform. They're behind in the polls. We know there's
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Speaker 2: red ink everywhere in the books. We'll finally get to see.
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Speaker 2: So are you expecting a vote buying budget and if so,
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Speaker 2: will it work?
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Speaker 4: Well?
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Speaker 8: It's certainly a vote buying budget, there's no doubt about that.
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Speaker 8: It's all spend. You know, there's more than sixty billion
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Speaker 8: dollar since January has been promised. The Coalition has basically
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Speaker 8: matched much of it. A lot of it's directed into
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Speaker 8: specific projects in electorates, and so what we're seeing is
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Speaker 8: a big splurge and we're not seeing any real attention
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Speaker 8: being paid to paying down debt or to try and
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Speaker 8: change the outlook of a decade of deficits. Now vote
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Speaker 8: buying make just very well work, given that both sides
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Speaker 8: are doing it, and I think that what we'll probably
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Speaker 8: see is not so much an election call before the
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Speaker 8: end of this week or on the weekend, but probably
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Speaker 8: the following weekend and even for a longer campaign, because
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Speaker 8: Anthony Albernezi wants time to sell his budget, as does
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Speaker 8: Jim Charmers, and he also wants more people to say
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Speaker 8: from Peter Dutton, bring out your policies just as you have, Peter,
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Speaker 8: and this is putting pressure on Dutton and the Coalition.
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Speaker 8: So the budget could very well work for the Labor Party,
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Speaker 8: although they still on track to be a minority government.
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Speaker 2: Look, you make a good point too, because on the
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Speaker 2: back of the budget they've got all these excuses to
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Speaker 2: spend taxpayers money on government advertising. And I guess a
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Speaker 2: longer campaign with their union donations the third party support
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Speaker 2: in advertising, they can run it harder and longer than
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Speaker 2: the Coalition can. Who doesn't have that union bank roll.
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Speaker 2: Interesting Chris in the newsport today, You've still got a
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Speaker 2: problem with Labour's primary votes. So any way you look
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Speaker 2: at this bloke, the Prime Minister is not likely to
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Speaker 2: be able to govern in his own right. And I
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Speaker 2: make the point that we're historic primary there of thirty
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Speaker 2: one percent for Labor Coalition not yet with a four
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Speaker 2: in front that's where they need to be in terms
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Speaker 2: to win. But a lot of bleed to minor parties there,
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Speaker 2: Independence and others. And I guess that's the concern for
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton because preferences for him they will be key
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Speaker 2: and he has to perform, perform, as I say, with
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Speaker 2: the speech of his life on Thursday night.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, Peter, Look, I think with the Coalition and you've
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Speaker 9: done this on election nights. If I don't see a
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Speaker 9: coalition MP with forty three percent of the primary vote.
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Speaker 9: When we're counting each individual electric they can quite often
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Speaker 9: fall short. So absolutely the coalition's got to get a
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Speaker 9: four in front of it. It wants to win that election.
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Speaker 9: It's own right. And if you look at the margin
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Speaker 9: of era, you could say that nothing much has changed
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Speaker 9: since the last election. That later could be on thirty
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Speaker 9: three and the coalition could be on thirty seven. So
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Speaker 9: we shall see. And yes, Peter Dutton does need to
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Speaker 9: define himself a whole lot better than he has to date.
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Speaker 9: I think if you ask most people what the coalition's
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Speaker 9: policy alternative was, they would know about nuclear and pretty
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Speaker 9: much nothing else. I agree with you on the idea
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Speaker 9: that net zero would be a good thing to ditch,
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Speaker 9: but I don't think that that case has been made
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Speaker 9: and the need to be made over the course of
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Speaker 9: the last couple of years. And I think in some
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Speaker 9: ways the Coalition got the cart for the horse with nuclear. Absolutely,
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Speaker 9: in the long run, that's something that needed to be done.
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Speaker 9: But they needed to spend every single day with every
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Speaker 9: single member, hammering away at that two hundred and seventy
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Speaker 9: five dollars and letting people know that it's the policies
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Speaker 9: of this government that's pushing up that bill, and that
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Speaker 9: every time the government gives you a subsidy that is
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Speaker 9: a sign of abject policy failure, and that anyone who
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Speaker 9: comes out and says that power prices have dropped by
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Speaker 9: twenty five percent in the last year is telling a lie.
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Speaker 9: What's happened is that electricity prices have been subsidized not
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Speaker 9: just by the federal government but by state government. So
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Speaker 9: I think with Peter Dutton, the problem is if he
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Speaker 9: wanted to make a dramatic move, it's probably too late
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Speaker 9: to do that.
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Speaker 2: Let's get into the news poll numbers there in bacro terms, Dennis,
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Speaker 2: the headline numbers still read as I say, minority government
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Speaker 2: with the Greens, little or no chance a PM could
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Speaker 2: command majority.
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Speaker 3: Now Labour would.
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Speaker 2: Say they've had a better couple of weeks than they
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Speaker 2: have in recent months.
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Speaker 3: I think I probably agree with that.
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Speaker 2: Some would say the coalition's momentum has stalled. That's the sense,
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Speaker 2: unfortunately that I feel out there in the electric But
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Speaker 2: that's not yet reflected in your numbers today, is it?
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Speaker 3: No, Peter?
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Speaker 8: But I think it has been clear there's been a
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Speaker 8: lack of discipline within the coalition, They've felt the pressure
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Speaker 8: from Anthony Albernasi about producing policy and some of their
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Speaker 8: economic policy has been well non existent. So I think
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Speaker 8: they have had a pretty poor three weeks. And the
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Speaker 8: numbers in the News poll today this is not a
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Speaker 8: poll taken over the weekend. This was a compilation of
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Speaker 8: the polls over the last three months, so a lot
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Speaker 8: of that stuff that occurred in the last few days
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Speaker 8: wouldn't be showing up in these polls. But having said that,
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Speaker 8: there is no doubt that while the Coalition hasn't had
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Speaker 8: a particularly good time, Labor has also lost support. But
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Speaker 8: the key here for Labor is that if the Coalition
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Speaker 8: loses a bit of support here or there, then the
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Speaker 8: Labor Party has not been picking it up. So just
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Speaker 8: more indication that more support going to the Greens and
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Speaker 8: a higher likelihood of a minority government. It really depends
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Speaker 8: where the support falls for the coalition.
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Speaker 2: What worries me and Chris with the point you made
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Speaker 2: there before, that it's too late you think for Peter
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Speaker 2: Dunton to have a big offering a big ask for
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Speaker 2: the electorate, And I probably would agree with you, but
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Speaker 2: I think that they can certainly do more than they
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Speaker 2: have today. What worries me if the message has not
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Speaker 2: yet crystallized, if his narrative is not clear. Well, let's
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Speaker 2: say the PM does call it this weekend. People will
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Speaker 2: be pre polling. Just three weeks after the weekend. It
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Speaker 2: is almost imminent that Australians will be voting. So if
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Speaker 2: the Coalition's offering is as nebulous as you think, that
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Speaker 2: it's almost impossible for them to win a majority.
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Speaker 3: If it's that bleak.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, look, and I think that this old John Howard's saying, right,
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Speaker 9: you can't fatten the pig on market day. And I
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Speaker 9: do wonder that the Coalition has not done enough work
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Speaker 9: on policies in order to make the offering. And I
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Speaker 9: was talking specifically about net zero. If you want to
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Speaker 9: make a as bigger change as that, and you've got
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Speaker 9: to try and pick up tears, and you've got to
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Speaker 9: try and pick up.
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Speaker 1: The regional areas.
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Speaker 9: You needed to make that statement some time ago. So
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Speaker 9: if the Coalition has got something to say, something real
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Speaker 9: to say on cost of living. But the real issue here, Peter,
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Speaker 9: is that we've now basically essentially got the Australian public
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Speaker 9: addicted to government handouts, and you can see that in
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Speaker 9: the fact that the coalition is just covering off on that. Now.
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Speaker 9: It's not this election, it might not be the next election,
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Speaker 9: but one day someone's going to have to make very
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Speaker 9: very difficult decisions and sell that to the Australian people.
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Speaker 9: Some day someone will have to because we simply do
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Speaker 9: not have to have the cash left to continue to
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Speaker 9: buy off the electric in the way that we're doing
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Speaker 9: it these big programs like the NDIS and on the
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Speaker 9: other welfare programs. One day there will be a come
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Speaker 9: to Jesus moment where we either cut them significantly or
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Speaker 9: we basically go broke as a nation.
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Speaker 6: So, you know, big.
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Speaker 3: Decisions have to be prest Chris, let me just jump
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Speaker 3: in there.
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Speaker 9: The political class isn't making them.
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Speaker 2: We tried to make them out there when we try
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Speaker 2: to make them. In twenty fourteen, on the back of
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Speaker 2: Chinese Shepherds analysis about the state of the budget longer term,
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Speaker 2: you know the fact that there is so much baked
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Speaker 2: in or recurrent spending, so much of the budget is already
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Speaker 2: given away to pensions and to payments and things that
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Speaker 2: unless you have a tough conversation with Australians and say
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Speaker 2: we're actually going to start taking things off you.
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Speaker 3: Right, that's a.
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Speaker 2: Conversation people we don't want to have. But lets we
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Speaker 2: start taking things off Australians. We cannot sustain this level
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Speaker 2: of space. And I'll make the other point too, once
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Speaker 2: you take government benefits into account, So what people receive
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Speaker 2: from the government, about sixty percent of Australians get back
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Speaker 2: more from the tax get back more.
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Speaker 3: From the government than they pay in tax.
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Speaker 2: And the burden is born by about forty percent of
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Speaker 2: people out there, forty percent of tax pace.
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Speaker 3: Now that's not sustainable.
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Speaker 9: No, and future generations, Peter, that's where the burden will
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Speaker 9: be born. And look, I just direct everybody to an
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Speaker 9: article that was done recently by Chris Richardson, who is
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Speaker 9: the Budget Bureau in the Australian Financial Review. He basically
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Speaker 9: said this government has had a bigger unexpected wind and
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Speaker 9: fall of cash out about four hundred billion dollars by
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Speaker 9: the time the next financial year is brought into it
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Speaker 9: over the course of the government. That is the biggest
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Speaker 9: windfall of unexpected cash and history. And what have they done.
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Speaker 9: They've taken the size of government from twenty four point
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Speaker 9: four percent of GDP to twenty seven percent point two
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Speaker 9: percent of GUDYP, a massive, massive increase in the size
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Speaker 9: of government which this country simply cannot bear in the
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Speaker 9: long term. So yes, the circum stances for our fall
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Speaker 9: have been set up. But who is the person who
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Speaker 9: is going to have that hard conversation with the Australians
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Speaker 9: when sixty percent of them are getting government benefits?
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Speaker 3: You're wrong.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about well, let's talk about Labor's vote amongst
20:16
Speaker 2: women and Dennis.
20:16
Speaker 3: We talk a lot about the Coalition.
20:19
Speaker 2: That's the view out there that they're the ones with
20:20
Speaker 2: the problem and the female vote. But your news pol
20:23
Speaker 2: analysis say, is today real issues for Labor primary vote
20:26
Speaker 2: support amongst women and younger voters haven't fallen steeply in
20:30
Speaker 2: the first three months of the year. Now that, unfortunately
20:34
Speaker 2: that level of support has swung largely towards the Greens.
20:38
Speaker 2: Increases all our issues there with a hung parliament. But
20:41
Speaker 2: I mean, how material, dentist do you think this is?
20:44
Speaker 2: We saw in the US it was talked about going
20:47
Speaker 2: into the polls, but it didn't materialize there on election day.
20:52
Speaker 2: And I think for the Coalition, I think it's across
20:54
Speaker 2: all demographics correct me if I'm wrong. Across all demographics combined,
21:00
Speaker 2: the Coalition's got a more favorable rating with women than
21:04
Speaker 2: Labor does. It's just this younger voter Cohort. Labour's in
21:08
Speaker 2: trouble coalition historically, yes, but Labor's in trouble now as well.
21:14
Speaker 7: Yes.
21:15
Speaker 8: Look, I think part of what we're seeing here there
21:19
Speaker 8: was an overestimation of the impact of the women's vote
21:23
Speaker 8: in the US. There was also an over emphasis on
21:28
Speaker 8: young men, particularly they went the other way, as did
21:32
Speaker 8: blacks in the US. So look, I think we see
21:35
Speaker 8: a lot of the polling beforehand. What you have to
21:38
Speaker 8: look at is what happens in nineteen ninety three. A
21:42
Speaker 8: late shift amongst women certainly defeated John Hewston over his
21:47
Speaker 8: medicare changes, not so much to the GST, but a
21:50
Speaker 8: female vote against changes to medicare. I think what we've
21:55
Speaker 8: seen is a lack of family policy, that is which
21:58
Speaker 8: concerns most women coming from the Coalition. The government has
22:04
Speaker 8: put up childcare and so forth. But I think that
22:07
Speaker 8: one thing that we're seeing here is a shift amongst
22:11
Speaker 8: older women towards the Greens. Now, it's not a large shift,
22:16
Speaker 8: and it doesn't involve a large number of people. But
22:19
Speaker 8: we are seeing a grain of the Green vote, people
22:24
Speaker 8: who voted for the Great Bob Brown when he was
22:29
Speaker 8: first elected to the Senate entering their fifties, and a
22:34
Speaker 8: lot of those that's the youngest, and a lot of
22:37
Speaker 8: those are much older. And what we're seeing is a
22:39
Speaker 8: radical older age, particularly amongst women who are supporting environmental
22:46
Speaker 8: issues now they were once dismissed as the doctors' wives.
22:49
Speaker 8: I think there's still an element of that, but I
22:52
Speaker 8: think overall the Coalition has to make some big decisions.
22:57
Speaker 8: Jane Hume talking about changing the NDS, this is a
23:00
Speaker 8: big matter for women, but it's also a huge matter
23:05
Speaker 8: for the budget. And if the Coalition can turn around
23:09
Speaker 8: and say there is one area which does affect women
23:13
Speaker 8: but affects everyone else, we're actually going to do something
23:17
Speaker 8: to save money and ensure that families who need the
23:22
Speaker 8: most support get it from the NDIS, I think that
23:26
Speaker 8: would be a turning point for the coalition. But overall,
23:30
Speaker 8: I think by the time the election is called, whenever
23:33
Speaker 8: it is called within a few days, the budget reply
23:38
Speaker 8: from Peter Dutton will be forgotten and will be moving
23:43
Speaker 8: into the most important phase and campaign. We've seen for decades.
23:49
Speaker 8: The campaign will decide this election.
23:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen before. You know, campaigns don't often matter
23:57
Speaker 2: as much. This one will matter enormously. Just on something
24:03
Speaker 2: about framing of Peter Dutton. We saw the framing in
24:05
Speaker 2: relation to media scare. But let me just play you
24:08
Speaker 2: a grab from Simon Banks, a labor insider today.
24:11
Speaker 3: Have a listener.
24:13
Speaker 10: When Donald Trump's been doing things which have not been
24:16
Speaker 10: in Australia's national interest, Peter's constantly taken Donald Trump's side,
24:21
Speaker 10: made excuses for him rather than back to Australia. I
24:24
Speaker 10: think that's going to be a significant issue in this
24:27
Speaker 10: election campaign.
24:30
Speaker 2: Just quickly, Chris, this is coming out of more and
24:32
Speaker 2: more labor mouths in recent days. I think this is
24:35
Speaker 2: the next front, next line of attack against Darton, isn't it.
24:41
Speaker 7: Oh?
24:42
Speaker 9: Absolutely, And I think this has been coming some time.
24:44
Speaker 9: And they've seen what's happened in Canada where the Liberal
24:46
Speaker 9: Party vote there has been revived by Donald Trump. Now
24:49
Speaker 9: there's been a much more bare knuckle attack on Canada
24:52
Speaker 9: than there has been on Australia by Donald Trump. But
24:54
Speaker 9: the effect of that in Canada is to see people
24:57
Speaker 9: starting and the Conservatives we're going to win that in
24:59
Speaker 9: a canter before Donald Trump appeared on the scene that
25:03
Speaker 9: the Labor Party will absolutely and so all the Greens
25:05
Speaker 9: and so all the Teals try and tie Donald Trump
25:08
Speaker 9: up with Peter Dutton, because the truth of the matter
25:10
Speaker 9: is he is not as popular a figure here as
25:14
Speaker 9: he is in the United States, and he unsettles people
25:16
Speaker 9: like I think some of that unsettling of the world
25:18
Speaker 9: is not a bad thing, but unsettling people and lead
25:22
Speaker 9: up to an election may just have them cleave to
25:24
Speaker 9: the government that they know, rather than experiment with one
25:27
Speaker 9: that they don't.
25:30
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Jens, look ford to your analysis
25:32
Speaker 2: all throughout the budget week just there so you know too,
25:35
Speaker 2: Mark Karney, who's the new governor not yet in the
25:38
Speaker 2: parliament in Canada. So next governor, new Prime minister in Canada,
25:42
Speaker 2: call the election today and.
25:43
Speaker 3: Of course they will go to the polls. The Liberals
25:45
Speaker 3: in Canada are the Labor Party equivalent. Don't get them confused.
25:48
Speaker 2: All right after the break the ground game for them
25:50
Speaker 2: wasn't vote in Western City has gone up a notch.
25:53
Speaker 3: It's got Labor on the back fourt.
25:55
Speaker 2: But how much of this is a preferences play and gas.
25:58
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about gas talk. This will be
26:01
Speaker 2: petered upon centerpiece in the budget reply on Thursday night.
26:04
Speaker 2: I'll step you through it all with energy experts Cell
26:07
Speaker 2: Carvonic coming up.
26:13
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the calm.
26:14
Speaker 2: The coalition that looks set to scrap Labour's safeguard mechanism
26:18
Speaker 2: to boost gas supply. It's much needed given how dire
26:21
Speaker 2: things are.
26:22
Speaker 3: Is it enough?
26:23
Speaker 2: We'll get to that analysis in a moment, But first,
26:25
Speaker 2: with an election imminent, let's turn out on a fight
26:28
Speaker 2: that's taking place in once safe labor seats that's got
26:32
Speaker 2: the campaign hard heads rattled. It's been a recent phenomena
26:36
Speaker 2: in the UK and with the establishment of a number
26:39
Speaker 2: of Muslim political groups in this country, the looming election
26:42
Speaker 2: will be the first time we have seen the active
26:44
Speaker 2: harnessing of the Muslim vote in Australia. Now, how successful
26:49
Speaker 2: will this pitch be? Who are the targets and all
26:52
Speaker 2: this talk of the ground game ramping up. Let's get
26:56
Speaker 2: into some specific examples and discuss them tonight. Someone who
27:00
Speaker 2: has investigated the rise of Muslim back candidate very closely
27:04
Speaker 2: is my next guest. The Australians, New South Wales political
27:07
Speaker 2: correspondent Alexi Dimitriati. Alexi, thanks for your time. I know
27:12
Speaker 2: I've spoken to you about this issue. We're watching it
27:14
Speaker 2: both very closely. You've been out on the ground bow
27:17
Speaker 2: so I thought it was critical I talked to you
27:19
Speaker 2: on the program tonight.
27:20
Speaker 3: You've been meeting with and watching.
27:23
Speaker 2: Closely these Muslim vote back candidates and the volunteers too
27:26
Speaker 2: in Southwest Sydney and their focus on the seats in
27:29
Speaker 2: particular of Watson and Blaxland Muslim voters their makeup twenty
27:34
Speaker 2: five and thirty two percent of the electorates, respectively.
27:39
Speaker 3: How do you.
27:40
Speaker 2: See things happening out there on the ground. I mean,
27:42
Speaker 2: I don't think there's going to be a uniform vote.
27:44
Speaker 2: Do you think that people will vote according to their
27:48
Speaker 2: religion or you can tell me something different.
27:54
Speaker 11: Well, thanks so much for having me on and it's
27:57
Speaker 11: been fascinating. I know we've both covered it since those
28:00
Speaker 11: groups emerged mid last year. And in a funny way,
28:03
Speaker 11: even though on the ground leafleting, canvassing, you know, the
28:07
Speaker 11: campaigns in both those seats are ramping up, it's still
28:10
Speaker 11: sort of to an extent, the same situation as it
28:13
Speaker 11: was a year ago, and that is the two independent candidates,
28:17
Speaker 11: amaduf In taking on Jason Clay and Blacksland and Zia
28:21
Speaker 11: bas Uni taking on Tony Burke and Watson to an extent,
28:25
Speaker 11: have the same issue and they're out on the grounds.
28:27
Speaker 11: They're volunteering, the volunteers of those campaigns, their supporters are
28:30
Speaker 11: out on the ground leafleting, canvassing, knocking on doors as
28:35
Speaker 11: much as they can. But they will have the same
28:37
Speaker 11: issue that they had this time last year. And that is,
28:40
Speaker 11: as you said, while both those seats have large Muslim communities,
28:47
Speaker 11: the Muslim communities in both those seats are actually a
28:50
Speaker 11: bit split on on the on the broader Muslim vote
28:54
Speaker 11: campaign on voting for a pro palestign independent to take
28:58
Speaker 11: on labor. So there will it's going to be really interesting,
29:02
Speaker 11: and I do think they'll struggle to get a perhaps
29:04
Speaker 11: even a majority of Muslim voters in those two seats.
29:07
Speaker 11: You've got on one side, voters of the Muslim faith
29:12
Speaker 11: or the Islamic faith, where Gaza and what's happening in
29:15
Speaker 11: guards is a big issue for them and you can
29:17
Speaker 11: expect and anticipate that they'd vote for these candidates. But
29:20
Speaker 11: on the other side, you've also got long standing community
29:24
Speaker 11: members with ties to both the Labor Party but also
29:27
Speaker 11: their local members Jason and Toni, and they're very much
29:31
Speaker 11: on the other side the fence against the Muslim Vote
29:33
Speaker 11: movement and want to see Labor continueing power. They think
29:36
Speaker 11: that's where they'll vote, will have a better say moving
29:40
Speaker 11: forward in government.
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Speaker 2: My concern is that partially this is a ploy about
29:47
Speaker 2: locking in a religious vote block and then using it
29:51
Speaker 2: as a preference dealing card, right, so not enough to
29:55
Speaker 2: have the seat change hands, but enough to be highly
29:59
Speaker 2: in luential and Labor policy making, so that you could
30:02
Speaker 2: perhaps deliver twenty thirty thousand votes in a preference deal
30:08
Speaker 2: to get further.
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Speaker 3: Action on Gaza, let's say.
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Speaker 2: And we know that, particularly with mail Muslim voters, you
30:14
Speaker 2: can get to them via mosques in a very effective way.
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Speaker 3: Is that part of the play? Do you think?
30:24
Speaker 11: I remember? I think it was in October when Zia
30:27
Speaker 11: bas Uni was announced as is the independent backed by
30:30
Speaker 11: the Muslim Vote campaign. In Watson myself was there with
30:35
Speaker 11: other journalists at his first press conference and he said
30:38
Speaker 11: then and this has always been the aim for these
30:41
Speaker 11: candidates and for these movements. They envision or would like
30:45
Speaker 11: to see a scenario where there's a labor minority, and
30:49
Speaker 11: I think mister Basuni said this at the time, then
30:52
Speaker 11: the independent becomes the kingmaker, the queen maker. And in
30:56
Speaker 11: that scenario, for candidates like miss bus Uni for in Blacksland,
31:03
Speaker 11: if that scenario does eventuate where it's a labor minority
31:06
Speaker 11: government who will have to make some form of deal
31:11
Speaker 11: with the Greens or parts of the cross Bench, those
31:13
Speaker 11: independent candidates really want to be part of that discussion.
31:17
Speaker 11: And that's where they see that what they want to see,
31:20
Speaker 11: particularly on Palestine and Gaza, could really have a big say.
31:26
Speaker 2: Muslim votes matter as a group we're talking about now,
31:28
Speaker 2: there's another group called the Muslim vote.
31:31
Speaker 3: They're distinct groups.
31:33
Speaker 2: Are they working together or is one sort of in
31:35
Speaker 2: the Victorian context and one more in the New South
31:38
Speaker 2: Wales context.
31:42
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's definitely that ladder point. They both the Muslim
31:45
Speaker 11: votes matters, and the Muslim vote sprung up around the
31:48
Speaker 11: same time last April. And actually what we're seeing on
31:52
Speaker 11: the ground is this quite interesting pincer movement to an extent,
31:55
Speaker 11: and as you correctly said, Muslim votes matter, a lot
31:58
Speaker 11: of their leadership is more Victoria. The Muslim vote, of course,
32:02
Speaker 11: their leadership and their key coordinators are up here in
32:04
Speaker 11: Southwest Sydney and they are separate organizations. But what quite
32:08
Speaker 11: interestingly has happened is that you've got the Muslim vote
32:12
Speaker 11: here in Southwest Sydney having a real hand with their candidates,
32:16
Speaker 11: even though of course those are independent candidates, but helping
32:19
Speaker 11: coordinate and then the Muslim votes matters has taken on
32:22
Speaker 11: much more of a broader national sort of umbrella strategy.
32:29
Speaker 11: They've had conferences and q and as in Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne,
32:33
Speaker 11: and while they are separate and have different aims, they
32:39
Speaker 11: do have links is probably the wrong word, but have
32:42
Speaker 11: appaid each other's events and they have the collective same
32:45
Speaker 11: goal at the end of the day. So there's certainly
32:47
Speaker 11: areas where they will work together, particularly in the next
32:49
Speaker 11: six weeks.
32:51
Speaker 2: I know you and to watch it closely as we
32:53
Speaker 2: lie Alexi, thank you for your time. Well let's go
32:55
Speaker 2: now to what's becoming apparent. We just need more guess
32:58
Speaker 2: of course, we do got to get it into the
33:00
Speaker 2: system and quickly to address our energy price crisis. Over
33:04
Speaker 2: the weekend and today the coalition have confirmed that if elected,
33:07
Speaker 2: they would immediately move to bolster gas supply.
33:12
Speaker 12: We've certainly said that we will immediately on coming to
33:15
Speaker 12: government fast track approvals for gas because it's the only
33:18
Speaker 12: way to bring prices down sustainably. Now we can have
33:21
Speaker 12: subsidies and we're not going to stand in the way
33:22
Speaker 12: of Labour's subsidy. But the problem is it's a subsidy
33:25
Speaker 12: because of their failed policy.
33:29
Speaker 2: Joining in our energy and gas market analysts Sawcovonic. So
33:33
Speaker 2: a lot of speculation that this will be a centerpiece
33:35
Speaker 2: of the response from Peter Dutton to the budget on
33:38
Speaker 2: Thursday night. They've not gone into detail about what sort
33:42
Speaker 2: of red tape they'd like to remove, but there's been
33:44
Speaker 2: a number of MPs briefing anonymously these Straight and Financial
33:47
Speaker 2: reviews today. They say that this will entail relaxing Labour's
33:51
Speaker 2: safeguard mechanism. Now, if that's the case, what sort of
33:55
Speaker 2: difference will that make.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Peter, I think it's important to make it to
34:03
Speaker 1: distinguish between relaxing the safeguard and also a much bigger
34:08
Speaker 1: deregulatory program, particularly regarding approvals with regard to safeguard. You know,
34:15
Speaker 1: most of the policies that Chris Bowen has put out
34:18
Speaker 1: since labor was electure elected has been an exercise in
34:21
Speaker 1: rushed and aptitude. Safeguard's actually exception is probably the only
34:25
Speaker 1: policy he put through which actually went through a normal
34:27
Speaker 1: kind of departmental process. The issue then was is that
34:31
Speaker 1: to make some accommodations to the Greens in order to
34:34
Speaker 1: get it through, and what that source of particularly impacts manufacturing.
34:38
Speaker 1: It's not just about the hindrances we're seeing in energy
34:41
Speaker 1: and gas supply costs into manufacturing, but Safeguard has actually
34:46
Speaker 1: rendered like, for example, new manufacturing has to compete with
34:49
Speaker 1: completely unrealistic subsidized European carbon emission standards instead of just using,
34:55
Speaker 1: for example, and average. So just making Safeguard more prag
35:00
Speaker 1: matic will actually help a lot of manufacturing jobs across
35:04
Speaker 1: the country, both to keep existing manufacturing going and also
35:07
Speaker 1: allow investment in new manufacturing plants. I think where the
35:10
Speaker 1: real benefit could be though, in terms of improving cost
35:14
Speaker 1: of living and improving jobs, is going to be on
35:17
Speaker 1: the approval side, where we've seen labor stand on the
35:21
Speaker 1: hose and embolden activists to stop projects across the country.
35:26
Speaker 2: Last year we saw, of course, the Coalition put gas
35:28
Speaker 2: in its capacity investment scheme. This is their clean energy
35:32
Speaker 2: policy flagship. They announced last week too that they would
35:35
Speaker 2: fast track the approvals for the Northwest Shelf expansion.
35:39
Speaker 3: How do all.
35:41
Speaker 2: The investors that you deal with read this in terms
35:45
Speaker 2: of the coalition's attitude to our energy policy.
35:50
Speaker 1: Well, I think the way the main investors are reading
35:53
Speaker 1: at things is they really just want to stop what
35:57
Speaker 1: we've seen under labor, which is active hostility and attacking
36:00
Speaker 1: the sector. The reality is is just they see relief
36:04
Speaker 1: from a change of government in that will stop seeing
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Speaker 1: active destruction of the core source of our energy security.
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Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about Peter Approvals that used to
36:14
Speaker 1: take two months are now taking over two years, sometimes
36:16
Speaker 1: four years, sometimes six years to go ahead. There's issues
36:21
Speaker 1: with the government funding law fare against their government's own
36:25
Speaker 1: approvals right now. Beyond that, there's streamlining of approvals that
36:31
Speaker 1: we've seen from the coalition. But also, like gas and
36:34
Speaker 1: the capacity investment scheme, gas is the best form of
36:36
Speaker 1: capacity right So the fact that was excluded was an
36:39
Speaker 1: ideological problem that Chris Bowen had again accommodating the Greens,
36:45
Speaker 1: throwing blue collar walkers under the bus in the process,
36:48
Speaker 1: and he's actually delegated to the States is basically saying, States,
36:51
Speaker 1: could you please put subsidized gas to then make our
36:54
Speaker 1: capacity investment scheme works. And what the coalition is saying is,
36:57
Speaker 1: let's just be technology agnostic. Let's let whatever cost technology wins,
37:01
Speaker 1: which in many cases will be gas, because that will
37:03
Speaker 1: flow through to manufacturing, will flow through to our bills,
37:06
Speaker 1: it will flow through to a lot of cost of living.
37:10
Speaker 2: All Right, I'll over there because self, thank you. We'll
37:11
Speaker 2: watch with interest what comes out of the week. All right,
37:14
Speaker 2: the shocking incident in Monique Ryan's Melbourne at seat of
37:16
Speaker 2: Couyong that's left her well red faced. If I can
37:20
Speaker 2: say that and exposed that to your so called integrity,
37:23
Speaker 2: hypocrisy will get to that in a moment. And for
37:25
Speaker 2: all the talk of doing the right thing on health funding,
37:28
Speaker 2: why is labor abandoning three hundred and very six children
37:31
Speaker 2: when the funding needed is less than a cost to
37:34
Speaker 2: run the pem's lodge every year.
37:42
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
37:42
Speaker 2: We'll still not even into the campaign proper yet, are we?
37:44
Speaker 2: And things have already turned nasty. Couyong with Monique Ryan's
37:49
Speaker 2: husband forms to apologize for removing liberal signs, but first
37:54
Speaker 2: to a situation facing Australian families grappling with a complex
37:57
Speaker 2: medical issue. The Colorectal Andelvic Reconstructive Service is a world
38:02
Speaker 2: leading resource, research and support center, one of only two
38:06
Speaker 2: of its kind in the Southern Hemisphere. This one's the
38:09
Speaker 2: only one in Australia and that's at Melbourne's Royal Children's Hospital.
38:13
Speaker 2: As soon as it's really special, it helps children born
38:16
Speaker 2: with a bow that doesn't form properly in the womb,
38:20
Speaker 2: or who have other serious pelvic conditions. Scores of families,
38:24
Speaker 2: including one you're about to hear from, rely on this
38:27
Speaker 2: unit to ensure their children can enjoy some semblance.
38:30
Speaker 3: Of a normal life.
38:31
Speaker 2: But since the funding ended we're only talking about six
38:34
Speaker 2: million dollars over five years. The unit's been quietly winding
38:39
Speaker 2: up its services after the funding dried up in July,
38:42
Speaker 2: and this is now forced families across the country to
38:45
Speaker 2: seek medical assistance in regional emergency hospital wards where most
38:50
Speaker 2: staff knowe nothing about their conditions. One such family are
38:53
Speaker 2: the Armstrongs from Aubrey, parents Adam and mill and the
38:57
Speaker 2: two little girls, Lucy and Hannah, who were both board
39:00
Speaker 2: with harsh sprung disease. This is a congenital condition where
39:04
Speaker 2: nerve cells are missing in the lower part of their bow.
39:07
Speaker 2: The Armstrongs are now amongst schools of families across the
39:10
Speaker 2: country experiencing a massive reduction in care. All the while
39:15
Speaker 2: they're getting the run around from hospitals and state and
39:18
Speaker 2: federal governments.
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Speaker 7: It's been frankly pretty disgusting. We haven't received transparent information
39:25
Speaker 7: from the hospital at all. Adam and I have written
39:28
Speaker 7: to the hospital with a group of families, a small
39:32
Speaker 7: group of families, and we have also written to them separately.
39:36
Speaker 3: It's so difficult for us to know what to do next.
39:40
Speaker 7: If our MPs won't listen to us, if the state
39:42
Speaker 7: government appointing things at the federal government, the federal government
39:44
Speaker 7: of twenty things at the state government. My message is
39:52
Speaker 7: to have a simple conversation about it, because at the
39:54
Speaker 7: moment we've had to push so hard to extract information
39:58
Speaker 7: out of RH that information hasn't been forthcoming. We've had
40:03
Speaker 7: to push really hard to get information out of MPs
40:06
Speaker 7: and out of state government and federal government, and some
40:09
Speaker 7: of that hasn't also not been forthcoming. Such a small
40:13
Speaker 7: amount of funding for such a huge service.
40:23
Speaker 2: It was the funding injection from the former coalition government
40:25
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen that ensured children, babies and children received
40:29
Speaker 2: expert levels of care without having to navigate emergency boards
40:32
Speaker 2: and medical staff who often don't understand these complex conditions.
40:37
Speaker 2: There are now more than one thousand families who were
40:39
Speaker 2: getting support from this unit. That for the Armstrongs and
40:43
Speaker 2: other families means now they have to access medical professionals
40:46
Speaker 2: not only don't understand the condition, but don't have a
40:49
Speaker 2: relationship with the families that don't understand when care needs
40:54
Speaker 2: to be escalated.
40:56
Speaker 13: Because we're able to at any point in time, we're
40:58
Speaker 13: able to contact them for advice, which advice which has
41:03
Speaker 13: prevented us from having hospital stays or.
41:08
Speaker 3: Yeah.
41:08
Speaker 7: Sometimes it's as little as calling them and saying, hey,
41:11
Speaker 7: you know, Hannah's not feeling well or Loose is not
41:14
Speaker 7: feeling well. These are the kind of symptoms we're getting
41:17
Speaker 7: and they'll say, okay for the next twenty four hours,
41:20
Speaker 7: bump up the fluids, or can you quickly go and
41:23
Speaker 7: get a blood test. So you know, having them in
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Speaker 7: the background all the time means that if there is
41:29
Speaker 7: a hospital admission, it's thorough and it's completed. You know,
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Speaker 7: the outcomes of care are so much better for us
41:42
Speaker 7: as a family.
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Speaker 2: Now, you'd assume that any decision related to a service
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Speaker 2: like this, obviously held in high regard by families, will
41:51
Speaker 2: get the money it needs. But we know the Armstrongs
41:54
Speaker 2: of many others, and now I've been told now the
41:56
Speaker 2: unit's closing down. They've got to get assistance from local
41:59
Speaker 2: emergency depart because the doors have closed. Now, in a statement,
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Speaker 2: the Royal Children's Hospital says that the service has not
42:07
Speaker 2: in fact closed.
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Speaker 3: That's not true, is it.
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Speaker 2: And meanwhile you've got the federal Labor government in Canberra saying,
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Speaker 2: well this is a state issue. Bear in mind the
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Speaker 2: previous round of funding six million dollars came from Canberra
42:20
Speaker 2: down to Victoria. You've got the Allen Labor government pointing
42:22
Speaker 2: its finger.
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Speaker 3: Back at the hospital. Now with all this buck.
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Speaker 2: Passing, it's no wonder families like the Armstrongs feel so
42:29
Speaker 2: completely isolated.
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Speaker 7: That's kind of what makes it really frustrating for us.
42:35
Speaker 7: I don't consider like robbing Peter to pay Paul. We're
42:38
Speaker 7: in a situation where we've got to use funds for
42:40
Speaker 7: all kinds of different reasons. You know, the state has
42:42
Speaker 7: to continue to go on. But I guess the real
42:45
Speaker 7: frustration is when it's such an easly amount, because it's
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Speaker 7: not a billion dollars, you know, it's not four point
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Speaker 7: two million dollars per year. Four point two million dollars
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Speaker 7: would have this service running for many, many years, where
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Speaker 7: there's families that I'm that I'm talking to now and
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Speaker 7: we're sitting down at night and thinking, well, how could
43:11
Speaker 7: we fund this? Can we pull money out of you know,
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Speaker 7: like there are families who are quiet literally looking at
43:16
Speaker 7: do we self fund clinical nurses?
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Speaker 3: And I mean.
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Speaker 7: That's probably, without a doubt out of reach for most families.
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Speaker 7: They're certainly out of reach for our family. But you
43:28
Speaker 7: know when you're faced with not having any support that
43:31
Speaker 7: you kind of end up getting to appoint me. You're like,
43:33
Speaker 7: what what could possibly what could we possibly do?
43:41
Speaker 13: Well?
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Speaker 2: I'm joining now with someone who has been advocating to
43:43
Speaker 2: save this unit at the Royal Children's Hospital, Victorian and
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Speaker 2: the Blampeg shatter Minister for Local Government and Scrutiny, Bev MacArthur.
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Speaker 2: I made the point of the intro there that we're
43:52
Speaker 2: talking about six million dollars over five years, about a
43:55
Speaker 2: million dollars a year now I know, I know that
43:58
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's lodge costs about that much money and
44:02
Speaker 2: a bit more to run. It's probably about its wine bill.
44:05
Speaker 2: Surely we can find this sort of money. The Commonwealth
44:08
Speaker 2: health budget is some one hundred and twelve billion dollars
44:13
Speaker 2: and we're talking about a million dollars a year. That's
44:16
Speaker 2: life changing for about a thousand families across Australia.
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Speaker 5: And Peter that's absolutely right, and growing hundreds a year
44:25
Speaker 5: as well. And these children stay in the system until
44:28
Speaker 5: they're eighteen because even with the most advanced, fabulous surgery
44:33
Speaker 5: to correct the malformations, there are still ongoing issues. So
44:38
Speaker 5: the number of patients needing this care is only going
44:40
Speaker 5: to grow. It does beggars belief that the federal government
44:45
Speaker 5: aren't funding it continuing, but it also is extraordinary that
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Speaker 5: the Royal Children's Hospital didn't lobby the government to continue
44:55
Speaker 5: the funding. Do they not rate this service to if
45:01
Speaker 5: this service now goes backwards to about how it was
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Speaker 5: about ten years ago, where there was no allied health
45:08
Speaker 5: service for these children, babies and families, it would be
45:12
Speaker 5: unacceptable if we said we're going to go back ten
45:15
Speaker 5: years in the way we treat heart disease, cancer, burns victims.
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Speaker 3: Everything else.
45:22
Speaker 5: And on top of that, this hospital, this unit is
45:25
Speaker 5: the only unit in Australia doing cholarectoral research. So we
45:29
Speaker 5: lose all that ability to lead the world as this
45:34
Speaker 5: clinic has been.
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Speaker 3: Doing by closing it down.
45:37
Speaker 5: It is nonsensical.
45:39
Speaker 2: And I know it's not related to bowel cancer, but
45:41
Speaker 2: I've got rising rates of bowl cancer and young people.
45:44
Speaker 2: This sort of research in this area helps us enormously
45:48
Speaker 2: longer term. But Greg Hunt, when he was the Federal
45:52
Speaker 2: Health Minister, put six million dollars into this service. As
45:56
Speaker 2: you say, it's world renowned. Now it's built up a
45:58
Speaker 2: significant following of these families. Again, I don't understand while
46:04
Speaker 2: we can't find one million dollars a year to have
46:07
Speaker 2: this lifeline for families, because what happens to that family
46:10
Speaker 2: in Aubury. If they can't ring up the Royal Children's
46:13
Speaker 2: Hospital and to speak to an expert in bowel matters,
46:16
Speaker 2: they'll front the local emergency door in Aubrey at the
46:21
Speaker 2: hospital there, they'll clog up waiting lists. They'll find some
46:24
Speaker 2: young registrar who knows nothing about these complex cases.
46:28
Speaker 3: Why would we do that? Well, you're absolutely right, Peter.
46:31
Speaker 5: This from a state and federal point of view, saves
46:34
Speaker 5: the health system money. So not going to GP's rooms
46:38
Speaker 5: all the time saves on medicare from the state point
46:42
Speaker 5: of view, if they're not in emergency departments or heaven forbid,
46:47
Speaker 5: in an air ambulance, which is where they many times
46:50
Speaker 5: end up. And I know Mel has had the children
46:53
Speaker 5: in the air ambulance about four times. This is the
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Speaker 5: most cost effective form of healthcare you could properly possibly provide,
47:02
Speaker 5: and it is also providing them.
47:04
Speaker 3: Who runs it is a world leader.
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Speaker 5: He's a world leader, world renowned, and look, Kevin help
47:09
Speaker 5: us if he is headhunted somewhere in the world. We
47:12
Speaker 5: not only lose this extraordinary allied health service that's delivering outcomes,
47:17
Speaker 5: measurable outcomes, but we lose this skilled surgeon. And where
47:21
Speaker 5: will we go backwards ten years?
47:23
Speaker 3: We would have to go to a Merrick.
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Speaker 2: I know you're putting pressure on the Allen government to
47:26
Speaker 2: fund this, but I hope this is a bit of
47:27
Speaker 2: pressure tonight on not just Peter Dutton in the opposition.
47:30
Speaker 2: Come Thursday night, for still time, Jim Chalmers, put this
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Speaker 2: in your budget tomorrow night. Right, It's a rounding error
47:37
Speaker 2: for you five six million dollars over the next five years.
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Speaker 3: Better, Thank you, Thank you, Peter.
47:42
Speaker 2: All right, after break, we'll get to that Taal campaign
47:44
Speaker 2: and coop your the husband going rogue neck, Ryan, I
47:48
Speaker 2: see you.
47:48
Speaker 3: What he'll be in the doghouse tonight, won't he see
47:50
Speaker 3: you soon? Welcome back campaign?
47:55
Speaker 2: Dirty trick started before the campaign. Let's discuss it now,
47:59
Speaker 2: Ellen p said it for Quansland. James McGrath joining me.
48:01
Speaker 2: Who knows a bit about campaigns? Well Menik Ryan's apologized
48:05
Speaker 2: after her husband husband caught red handed on camera walking
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Speaker 2: away with a campaign sign for her rival Liberal candidate
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Speaker 2: Emelia Hamer.
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Speaker 3: Have a look at this.
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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm not saying her.
48:19
Speaker 5: I am who are you?
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Speaker 7: Or you wearing a teal T shirt.
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Speaker 3: I'll start to film you.
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Speaker 6: Are you monic Ryan supporter of ripping down people's signs?
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Speaker 13: Are you?
48:29
Speaker 6: Is that what you're doing?
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Speaker 13: That belongs to me?
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Speaker 9: Hey, you can tell you off the property, but it
48:32
Speaker 9: belongs to me, all right.
48:35
Speaker 2: The theft of that sign happened in Leafy Tuak, that's
48:39
Speaker 2: any electorate of Kujong.
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Speaker 3: It's been reported to the police.
48:42
Speaker 2: But this is a new low for the teals, isn't
48:44
Speaker 2: it James who like to lecture us about integrity.
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Speaker 6: You don't expect any better from a Nick Ryan who
48:52
Speaker 6: votes with the Greens seventy percent of the time and
48:54
Speaker 6: the Greens are a racist any Semitic party. But Menick
48:56
Speaker 6: Ryan is all about transparency. But she's got some questions
48:59
Speaker 6: to answer. He is sign stealing, a tactic that she
49:03
Speaker 6: endorses part as part of her campaign. When did she
49:06
Speaker 6: first find out her husband was stealing signs? Her we
49:09
Speaker 6: else in her campaign is stealing signs? How many signs
49:12
Speaker 6: have been stolen by her campaign? This is grubby behavior.
49:16
Speaker 6: I would expect nothing better from Monique Ryan because she
49:20
Speaker 6: backs the Greens and they think this type of behavior
49:23
Speaker 6: is normal. It should be called out and Monique Ryan
49:25
Speaker 6: needs to front a press conference and answer questions from
49:28
Speaker 6: the journalists.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to give Amelia Hamer ring tomorrow because
49:33
Speaker 2: I bet she's going to see a spike in people
49:35
Speaker 2: a bit fight up by this saying put a bloody
49:37
Speaker 2: sign on my fence. Severely, come and put a sign
49:39
Speaker 2: near me. We'll take them on that way. But you
49:42
Speaker 2: just referenced how often Monique Ryan has voted with the
49:46
Speaker 2: Greens on legislation. She disputes those numbers. She doesn't want
49:51
Speaker 2: that out there.
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Speaker 6: She does dispute it. But even the learned colleagues at
49:59
Speaker 6: the Sitting Morning Harold and the Age have done their
50:01
Speaker 6: analysis which shows it is actually over seventy percent. Monique
50:05
Speaker 6: Ryan talks about transparency and accountability, but she does not
50:10
Speaker 6: like it when it is applied to her. And whether
50:12
Speaker 6: it is her voting record in Parliament or the fact
50:14
Speaker 6: that her husband is nicking signs in the leafy streets
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Speaker 6: of Tuac, Monique Ryan has some real questions to answer here.
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Speaker 2: It does not vote well for a campaign with indignity.
50:28
Speaker 2: Thank you, James McGrath. All right, that's it for me.
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Speaker 3: Look forward to your company tomorrow. Big show tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: We'll go for an hour and a half to lead
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Speaker 2: right into the Treasurer's speech at seven point thirty. So
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Speaker 2: please join me here tomorrow night at six o'clock.
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Speaker 3: Here's Andrew