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They Were Cleaning Out a Loved One’s Home When They Found Human Remains in a Freezer · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: Usually when we talk about going through a loved one's
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house after they pass away, there's a very specific expectation, right, Absolutely,
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you walk into their home and you are basically stepping
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into a curated museum of their life. You know, you
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pull down the photo albums, you open closets that smell
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faintly of mothballs, you back up the kitchen cabinets filled
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with like mugs they collected over fifty years, And I
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mean it is heavy, it's really emotional, but it is
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fundamentally ordinary. We expect to find memories.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very standard human experience.
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Speaker 1: But then you step into the world or our focus today.
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You walk out to a shed, you bypass the old
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seasonal gear, and you stumble into a piece of evidence
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that irreversibly shatters the entire legacy of the person who
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just died.
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Speaker 2: I mean it forces an absolute traumatic paradigm shift for
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the people involved. Yeah, you walk into an outbuilding to
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sort through gardening tools, and suddenly you are standing at
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ground zero of a major active death investigation.
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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what we're looking at today. We have
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a stack of really fresh, deeply chilling news reports, official
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police statements, and some historical case files to unpack for
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you in this deep dive.
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Speaker 2: And this is an actively unfolding situation, which makes it
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so fascinating.
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Speaker 1: Right we're talking about events that just happened in mid
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July of twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 2: The recency is what makes the analysis so critical. Right now,
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I think we are basically watching the bureaucratic and scientific
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machinery of an investigation boot up in real time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let me just set the scene to give
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you the exact parameters of what we're dealing with here.
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It is a Sunday evening, July nineteenth, twenty twenty six, Juno, Alaska, Okay.
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A family has undertaking that heavy emotional task we just
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talked about, cleaning out the home of a recently deceased relative.
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They are on the sixty five hundred block of Glacier
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Highway in the Lemon Creek area, right near this Switzer
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Village mobile home park, right.
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Speaker 2: A very specific residential corridor exactly.
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Speaker 1: So they go into a locked out building on the
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price property. They open a chest freezer, and inside they
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find human remains.
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Speaker 2: Got it sounds like a premise from a dark thriller,
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doesn't it. It really does, But This is the stark
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reality the Juno Police Department is currently managing, and our
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mission for this deep dive is to guide you through
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the mechanics of this case. We're going to explore the
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immediate law enforcement response to that horrific.
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Speaker 1: Discovery, which has to be chaotic, right.
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Speaker 2: Totally, and we will look very closely at the complex
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microscopic forensic science of frozen remains, like how pathologists actually
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interpret biology that has been suspended in an ice.
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Speaker 1: Which is wild to think about it, it's fascinating.
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Speaker 2: We'll also examine the profound psychological trauma inflicted on the
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family making the discovery, and will analyze the dark historical
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precedence because amazingly, this is not the first time someone
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is hidden a body in plain sight in a domestic freezer.
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Speaker 1: Right, and my mind immediately goes to the physical setting.
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To understand how a secret of this magnitude can be
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kept on a residential property, we kind of have to
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look at the unique geography in the microculture of this
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specific location.
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Speaker 2: The Alaskan context is everything here exactly.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Juno is a capital city, but it subverts
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almost every expectation you might have of what a capital city.
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Speaker 2: Looks like, Yeah, when you hear state capital, you assume sprawl.
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You assume heavy interstate traffic, massive suburbs, and a high
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degree of connectivity to the rest of the.
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Speaker 1: Country, lots of highways in and out right.
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Speaker 2: But Juno has none of that. It has a population
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of what roughly thirty thousand people, and it is defined
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by extreme geographic isolation. You cannot simply hop in your
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car and drive to another major city.
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Speaker 1: No, you literally can't.
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Speaker 2: It is geographically landlocked by nature. You've got the ocean
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on one side and the massive, impenetrable Juno ice field
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and all this mountainous terrain on the other.
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Speaker 1: You're landlocked by ice and water, not by borders. The
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road literally just ends it.
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Speaker 2: Does You are reachable primarily owned by air or by sea.
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And when we look at the specific location detailed in
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the police reports, the Glacier Highway corridor and the Loman
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Creek area, it's vital to understand the layout there.
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Speaker 1: Right, because it's not like they're in a cabin in
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the woods exactly.
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Speaker 2: This is an untamed wilderness. It is a residential corridor.
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There is the Switzer Village mobile home park, there are
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industrial businesses, there are residential homes, but even in these
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populated zones, the overarching Alaskan environment inherently provides a massive physical.
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Speaker 1: Buffer, and it provides a cultural buffer too, I think,
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oh absolutely. The source material really emphasizes this Alaskan context,
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which leans heavily into self reliance. I mean, if you
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choose to live in a place physically cut off from
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the lower forty eight, where the elements completely dictate your
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daily life, you naturally cultivate a really fierce sense of independence.
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Speaker 2: And privacy, and that cultural privacy translates directly into the
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architecture of the properties oh so well. In this region,
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properties frequently include significant outbuildings, sheds, large detached garages, secondary
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storage spaces. Because of the weather and the necessity to
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store seasonal gear like you know, snowmobiles, heavy winter clothing,
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fishing equipment, having a large locked out building is standard.
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It is just the norm.
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Speaker 1: So a heavy padlock on a shed wouldn't raise a
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single red flag for a neighbor, not at all.
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Speaker 2: Those buildings can sit unvisited, entirely undisturbed for seasons at
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a time, through the freezing, dark winters and the brief summers.
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A locked shed is just part of the background scenery, right,
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and this feeds into the social dynamic. In tightly knit
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but independent communities, the unwritten rule is to mind your
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own business.
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Speaker 1: You don't go poking around, right.
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Speaker 2: You purposefully choose not to inquire too closely about your
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neighbour's family matters or property habits. If a shed stays
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locked year round, you respect the boundary.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I understand the cultural respect for boundaries. But you're
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probably listening to this and thinking exactly what I'm thinking,
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which is it is one thing to ignore our neighbors
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overgrown lawn or like a locked shed with an old
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snowmobile inside. It is an entirely different universe to ignore
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a missing human being. That's the big question, right, Like
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how does a person vanish into a chest freezer without
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a single neighbor, a mail carrier, or a friend from
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down the street noticing they are gone? How does a
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life just evaporate without someone knocking on the door and
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demanding to know where they are?
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Speaker 2: And that is the central paradox the Juno Police Department
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is grappling with right now, and it leads us to
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the most unsettling anomaly in the official reports. We have
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so far.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this part is wild.
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Speaker 2: The formal answer to your question is what makes this
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investigation incredibly complex. Let's look at the timeline of events
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and the data the authorities actually possess.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's walk through it. Because the timeline starts with
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a very, very mundane Sunday evening.
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Speaker 2: It begins just before eight pm on July nineteen. The
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family breaches the locked out building, They open the freezer,
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and they make the discovery right, they call nine to
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one one officers arrive at the sixty five hundred block
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of Glacier Highway, and the very first task for those
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responding officers is confirming the reality.
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Speaker 1: Of the call, because it could be a mistake.
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Speaker 2: Exactly in Alaska, where people hunt and store large game,
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a chest freezer full of frozen meat is entirely standard.
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Dispatchers and officers naturally have to consider the possibility of
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a misunderstanding, just a.
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Speaker 1: Horrific misunderstanding about some old venison or something. But they
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get unseen, look inside and confirm the absolute worst case scenario,
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it's human.
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Speaker 2: They confirm the remains are human, and they instantly transition
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this family's estate clean out into a major active death investigation.
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Speaker 1: They lock it all down.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they secure the scene, established perimeter, and the shock
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wasn't just contained to the family either. Deputy Chief Craig
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Campbell spoke to local reporters shortly after, and his statement
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is really telling, right.
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Speaker 1: I had the quote here he said, the case is
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quote very unusual, not something I've seen or heard of before.
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Speaker 2: Consider the weight of that statement come out from a
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deputy chief of police.
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Speaker 1: I know they see everything, right.
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Speaker 2: Law enforcement officers see homicides, tragic accidents, the darkest corners
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of human behavior. But finding a body in a domestic
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chest freezer in a residential shed, it violates all the
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normal patterns of crime they are trained to process.
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Speaker 1: So outside the norm it.
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Speaker 2: Really pierces through seasoned professional detachment.
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Speaker 1: So what preliminary facts did they establish that night? I
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know they kept the details sparse, which is standard procedure
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to protect the integrity of the case.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they released three critical pieces of information. First, the
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condition the remains were frozen. Second, the preliminary visual assessment.
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They appear to be those of an adult male, okay. Third,
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and most significant for the trajectory of the investigation, police
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stated they believe this adult male was related to the
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recently deceased resident of the home.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, so this isn't like a random victim hidden
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by a stranger breaking into a shed. The working theory
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is that this is intimately contained within the family circle.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, they have notified the next of kin. Think about
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the surreal nature of that conversation. I can't even imagine
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you are notifying a family about the death of a
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relative they may not have even known was missing, or
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who they believed was living somewhere else entirely. But the
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local police cannot legally or scientifically confirm the identity on
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the spot or determine the cause and time.
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Speaker 1: Of death because it's all frozen, right.
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Speaker 2: So the remains had to be transported to the Alaska
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State Medical Examiner's office.
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Speaker 1: But before we follow the evidence to the medical examiner,
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I want to circle back to the missing person anomaly,
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because this is the part that just really stuck with me.
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The police reports explicitly state that no missing person report
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matching this individual was ever filed with the Juno Police, zero,
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nothing in the system.
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Speaker 2: It's staggering.
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Speaker 1: How does someone just disappear without a paper trail?
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Speaker 2: Well, the sociological mechanics of how someone ghosts the system
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or fascinating. An absence of a police report does not
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mean nobody noticed he was gone, right. It means his
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absence never crossed the threshold into the formal bureaucratic law
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enforcement system, the National Crime Information Center or NCIC. It
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only works if someone actually initiates a report.
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Speaker 1: So, if you have an adult male relative who is
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maybe a bit of a loner, or maybe there's been
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a slow fading of contact over the years, if he
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stops calling, the family's first thought isn't foul play?
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Speaker 2: Precisely the opposite. Actually, the assumption is usually eponomy. Adults
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are legally allowed to walk away.
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Speaker 1: From their lives, right, you can just up and leave.
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Speaker 2: The family might assume he moved out of state for
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a fresh start, or intentionally cut contact. Furthermore, the person
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responsible for hiding the body, the person living in the house,
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is often actively managing the narrative.
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Speaker 1: Oh. They act as a filter for the community.
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Speaker 2: They do. If a neighbor or a distant relative asks, hey,
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how's John doing. I haven't seen him around, the resident
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provides a plausible cover.
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Speaker 1: Story like, Oh, he got a job down south.
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Speaker 2: Oh, he took a job down in Seattle, he's doing well,
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just really busy. If the person living in the house
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provides a mundane explanation, the community accepts it. Why wouldn't they,
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especially in a culture that respects privacy.
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Speaker 1: There's no trigger for the formal system to investigate, none
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at all. So the person basically becomes a ghost to
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the state while physically remaining on the property the entire time.
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Speaker 2: I was thinking about it like this, It's almost like
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an artificial suspension of reality, like hitting a pause button
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on time.
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Speaker 1: That's a great way to put it. The rest of
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the world keeps spinning, seasons change on the Glacier Highway,
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neighbors go to work, the person in the house eats
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breakfast and watches television. But out in that shed, biology
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and legality are just halted, waiting for someone to finally
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stumble upon it and press play again on July nineteenth,
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And that.
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Speaker 2: Leads directly to the monumental challenge facing the authorities right now,
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when you finally uncover that suspended biology, how do you
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read the data right?
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Speaker 1: And this is where we shift from the police tape
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at the mobile home park to the highly controlled environment
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of the forensic laboratory. Let's talk about the microscopic science
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of the deep freeze, because when human remains are found
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in this specific condition, you can't just treat it like
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a standard crime scene, not at all.
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Speaker 2: The environment itself is part of the mechanism of concealment
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and potentially the murder weapon. The investigative protocols are incredibly
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rigid here. The first priority is documenting the freezer appliance
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in its original context.
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Speaker 1: Now, you can't just open the lid, pull the remains
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out in the middle of a shed and put them
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in a body bag.
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Speaker 2: Oh, doing so would destroy critical contextual evidence. Investigators meticulously
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document the freezer's condition.
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Speaker 1: First, what are they looking for?
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Speaker 2: Well, what is the exact temperature setting? Is there a
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secondary thermometer inside? What is the power source? Is it
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plugged into a dedicated outlet or running on a daisy
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chain of old extension cords?
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Speaker 1: Oh wow?
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Speaker 2: Is the rubber seal on the lid intact or is
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it degrading because.
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Speaker 1: The power source in the seal tell the story of
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the internal environment over time.
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Speaker 2: Exactly when feasible investigators actually prefer to treat the entire
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appliance as the evidence transport vessel.
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Speaker 1: Wait, really, they move the whole freezer.
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Speaker 2: Yes, they will secure the lid, unplug it at the
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very last moment, and transport the freezer intact to the
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medical Examiner's facility. You want to maintain the specific thermal
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environment the body has been kept in until you are
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in a highly controlled sterile laboratory.
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Speaker 1: Setting, right, because you don't want a sudden temperature fluctuation
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happening in the back of a corner's van. Exactly so
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the freezer arrives at the Alaska State Medical Examiner's office.
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What are the forensic benefits of a body being kept
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in a deep freeze? Because obviously cold preserves biology well.
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Speaker 2: Cold preserves biology remarkably well by halting future faction. If
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a body is left outdoors, amgent heat accelerates bacterial breakdown,
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insect activity scavenging, the evidence degrades.
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Speaker 1: Rapidly, gone in days sometimes right.
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Speaker 2: But a deep freeze stops enzymatic breakdown and bacterial action
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in its tracks. Consistently low temperatures preserve soft tissue and organs,
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allowing pathologists to observe injuries, ligature marks, or disease states
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that would normally be erased by decomposition.
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Speaker 1: It just locks the physical trauma in place.
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Speaker 2: It also preserves toxicology exceptionally well really, yeah. If this
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individual had drugs, poisons, or specific prescription medications in their
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system at the time of death, the freezing process locks
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those chemical signatures into the blood and organ tissues. A
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toxicologist can test those samples years even decades later and
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get a highly accurate metabolic read.
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Speaker 1: Wow. That sounds like a massive advantage for the investigation,
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But I know, nothing in forensics is a perfect system.
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You mentioned earlier that there are complications with frozen remains.
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What are the drawbacks?
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Speaker 2: The complications are immense. Actually, the flip side of preservation
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is the creation of what pathologists call artifacts artifacts. Yeah.
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An artifact is a physical change in the body caused
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by an outside four after death, which can be mistakenly
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interpreted as an injury or a condition that occurred during life.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so how does freezing create an artifact?
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Speaker 2: Think about what happens with water freezes. It crystallizes and expands, right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like leaving a soda in the freezer.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Human cells are predominantly water. When a body freezes,
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the water inside the cytoplasm crystallizes those expanding ice crystals
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rupture the lipid vilayers the cell walls. When the tissue
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eventually thaws, those ruptured cells collapse. It looks damaged, degraded,
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or can even mimic certain types of blunt force trauma
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or cellular necrosis.
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Speaker 1: Icy The actual process of freezing acts like well microscopic
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trapannol inside the tissue.
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Speaker 2: It completely destroys the histology the microscopic structure of the tissue,
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and this is exponentially compounded if the freezer experienced freeze
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thaw cycles.
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Speaker 1: Meaning the appliance lost power at some point in.
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Speaker 2: The past exactly say a severe winter storm knocked out
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power in Juno for four days, or an extension cord
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was accidentally kick blues and plug back in a week later.
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Or critically, consider the type of freezer. Many modern residential
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freezers are frost free. Frost free appliances actively warm up
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periodically to melt ice build up on the coils.
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Speaker 1: Of course, if.
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Speaker 2: A body is inside a frost free freezer, it is
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being subjected to continuous minor microthawing and refreezing cycles over
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months or years.
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Speaker 1: It's like the pothole effect on a winter road. Water
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seeps into the asphalt freezes, expands, cracks the road, melts,
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and leaves the crater. A frost free freezer is basically
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turning the body's cellular structure into a pothole ridden road.
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Speaker 2: That is a perfect analogy. The expansion and contraction turn
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the tissue into mush, making it incredibly difficult for a
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pathologist to determine if tissue damage was caused by a
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violent act before death or simply by the appliance cycling
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on and off for a decade.
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Speaker 1: So how do they even begin the autopsy? I mean,
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you can't exactly take a scalpel to a block of ice.
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Speaker 2: No, you can't. The thawing process requires immense patients. It
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involves controlled gradual temperature elevation in a monitored environment, often
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over several.
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Speaker 1: Days level days.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they have to allow the core to though without
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accelerating putrefaction in the outer tissues. That though first, only
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when the remains are completely pliable can a full examination commence.
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Speaker 1: And while they are navigating this slow thawing process, they
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also have the legal burden of proving the identity. Right,
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the police gave a preliminary familial identification, but how does
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the medical examiner legally confirm it if the soft tissue
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is that compromised well.
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Speaker 2: The condition of the remains dictates the protocol. If the
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freezing preserved the dermal ridges well enough, they might attempt
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to extract fingerprints, but if the skin is too damaged
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or artifacts are too severe, they pivot to dental records.
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Teeth are incredibly resilient to freezing. They will pull the
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suspected individual's dental X rays and compare root structures, fillings,
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and wear patterns. They also look for serial numbers on
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medical implants like jump replacements or pace makers, but.
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Speaker 1: If they have no dental records, they rely on DNA.
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How does the ice affect DNA extraction?
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Speaker 2: While ice crystals rupture soft tissue cells, DNA can still
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be reliably extracted from deep within the skeletal system. Pathologists
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will target the cortical bone, the dense outer layer of bone,
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or the deep pulp.
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Speaker 1: Of the teeth, because it's protected in there.
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Speaker 2: Exactly the dense calcium matrix protects the osteocytes the bone
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cells from the worst of the freeze thaw damage. They
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extract that DNA and compare it to reference samples taken
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from the living relatives. Who were cleaning out the house.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So if the freezing preserves toxicology and DNA but
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destroys cellular structure through artifacts, I have a question. Can
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the medical examiner determine the exact time of death? Like
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if they test the stomach contents, can they say, oh,
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he died on October twelfth, five years ago? Or does
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the ice erase the timeline entirely?
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Speaker 2: The ice effectively erases the biological clock. Pathologists normally rely
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on a triad of markers to establish time of death
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rigor mortis, which is muscle stiffening, liver mortis, blood pooling,
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and algor mortis the cooling rate, along with forensic entomology
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like insect colonization.
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Speaker 1: But a freezer ruins all that.
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Speaker 2: Freezing nullifies all of them completely. Stomach contents can tell
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you what their last meal was, but absolutely nothing about
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when they consumed it.
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Speaker 1: So the biological timeline is useless for dating the incident.
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Speaker 2: It really is. The science can confirm who they are
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and potentially how they died, but to answer when investigators
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have to pivot entirely from biology to bureaucracy, detectives must
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build a circumstantial historical timeline paperwork basically right. They audit
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utility records, bank statements, the last time a cell phone
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pinged a tower, the last time a prescription was filled,
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or the final date a signature appeared on a tax document.
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They have to trace the paperwork of a life until
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it abruptly stops.
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Speaker 1: And they have to look at the historical precedent of
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the behavior too. They have to ask why would someone
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do this? What drives of person to keep a body
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in a domestic freezer? Because the source material provides a
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very clear, very grim pattern of historical motives.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Geno case is shocking, but unfortunately it is
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not unprecedented. History offers multiple case studies that reveal the
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mechanical and psychological reasons people hide bodies in plain sight.
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The twenty eleven main case involving Kitty Collins Wardwell is
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a masterclass in long term concealment.
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Speaker 1: The timeline of the main case is staggering. Let me
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lay it out for everyone so you can wrap your
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head around it. In twenty eleven, relatives of a man
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named Francis Frank Julian are cleaning out his storage unit
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in Lewiston, Maine, following his death another estate cleanout.
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Speaker 2: Scenario, very similar setup.
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Speaker 1: Right inside the unit, they find a heavy, six foot
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long chest freezer. It is unplugged. They open it and
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they find human remains.
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Speaker 2: A catastrophic discovery for a family attempting to settle in
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a state.
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Speaker 1: So the authorities process the scene, they run the DNA
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and they identify the body as Kitty Collins Wardwell. She
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was Frank Julian's younger girlfriend and business partner. And the
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jaw dropping fact is that Kitty vanished in nineteen eighty three,
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twenty eight years before the freezer was opened.
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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: She disappeared after an argument with Julian. The police investigated
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him back in the eighties, but without a body, the
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case went cold, and for.
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Speaker 2: Nearly three decades, Frank Julian just went about his life.
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Investigators determined that Julian had likely kept that freezer at
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various residences, keeping it plugged in and actively running for
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finally transporting it to the Lewiston storage unit shortly before
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his death.
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Speaker 1: I mean, just think about the sheer physical logistics of that.
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Moving a fully loaded six foot chest freezer requires a truck,
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Dolly's and usually a second pair of hands. He executed
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those moves knowing exactly what was inside.
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Speaker 2: The audacity and the calculated compartmentalization are terrifying. The medical
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examiner eventually ruled Kitty's death a homicide, but because Frank
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Julian died before the discovery, the case was closed under
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the principle of abatement by death.
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Speaker 1: No charges were filed.
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Speaker 2: None. He successfully concealed a murder for twenty eight years
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using the simple mechanics of refrigeration and a padlock.
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Speaker 1: It is the ultimate example of concealing a violent crime,
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but concealment of homicide is just one category. The text
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highlights a completely different motive that shows up repeatedly in
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these cases, and it has absolutely nothing to do with violence.
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It's about bureaucracy and cold hard cash.
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Speaker 2: The bureaucratic ghost phenomenon keeping a body to keep the
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checks coming. This is a really chilling subset of elder fraud.
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Government agencies like the Social Security Administration or the VA
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rely on a reporting system, usually the Electronic Death Registration
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system triggered by a doctor or funeral director to know
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when someone dies and halp benefit payments.
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Speaker 1: So if someone dies at home and the caretaker never
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calls a doctor or a coroner. The system never actually
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knows the direct deposits, just keep hitting the joint bank
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account exactly.
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Speaker 2: The source text cites multiple instances of this. There was
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a case in Pennsylvania where a woman was convicted of
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keeping her grandmother in a freezer, specifically to continue collecting
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her benefits. Wow, and we have to look at the
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sociological data behind this. Often you have a vulnerable elderly
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person living with a caretaker relative who is highly dependent
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on the elder's income. The elder passes away naturally, the
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relative realizes they cannot pay the mortgage or buy groceries
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without that Social Security check. Panic sets in and they
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make a grotesque, purely practical decision to preserve the body
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and maintain the financial illusion.
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Speaker 1: It's just a morbid loop. The text also details a
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Flora case where a man kept his wife's body frozen
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for years for the exact same reason. He eventually died.
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The fraud was uncovered and the surviving innocent family members
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were legally pursued by the government to repay the improperly
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collected benefits.
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Speaker 2: It creates a generational legal and financial nightmare, but prosecuting
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these cases is incredibly difficult, which brings us to the
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complexities seen in a case out of San Diego.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the San Diego case perfectly illustrates how the frozen
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biological timeline we talked about earlier works against the justice system.
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So out of town relatives found a woman's body in
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a freezer. The police strongly suspected benefits fraud because the
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woman's checks were continually cached, but they struggled to prove
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it beyond a reasonable.
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Speaker 2: Doubt because to convict someone of fraud in that scenario,
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the prosecution must establish the exact date of death and
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then prove that checks were cashed after that specific date
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with fraudulent intent. If the medical examiner cannot provide a
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definitive date of death because the freezing artifacts erase the
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biological clock, the prosecutor lacks the foundational evidence to prove
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the timeline of the theft.
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Speaker 1: The ice literally destroys the prosecutor's timeline. It does, but
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the text doesn't just point to calculated murder or calculated fraud.
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There is a third category of motives that is purely psychological.
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Speaker 2: Yes, synthesizing the data reveals scenarios driven by profound psychological breaks,
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severe denial, or sometimes the crippling logistics of poverty.
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Speaker 1: Poverty plays a huge role here.
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Speaker 2: It does. Fumerals are exorbitantly expensive. If an impoverished family
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experience is a sudden death at home, the absolute inability
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to afford a burial can drive a caretaker to make
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a desperate, improvised decision.
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Speaker 1: The freezer becomes a tragic solution to poverty.
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Speaker 2: Beyond finances, we see cases driven by complicated grief for dementia.
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Imagine an elderly spouse waking up to find their partner
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of fifty years has passed away in the night. The
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trauma is so absolute, the inability to cope so profound,
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that their mind simply refuses to process the reality gives
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you shut down. They physically cannot bear to make the
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phone call that triggers the bureaucratic machinery of death. They
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preserve the body as an act of delayed grief. It
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is a manifestation of severe psychological distress, not calculated malice.
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Speaker 1: And this is where I struggle to reconcile these ideas
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to hide a body, to cover up a murder like
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Frank Julian, or to steal a pension requires cold, ruthless logic.
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You know you have to actively maintain the lie every
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single day.
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Speaker 2: Yes, you do.
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Speaker 1: But to keep a body out of pure grief requires
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an immense, almost unimaginable level of psychological denial. How do
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those two entirely different states of mind logic and denial
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coexist in one person.
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Speaker 2: Well, the human mind is highly adept at compartmentalization. It
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rarely operates on a clean binary of pure logic versus
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pure denial. Often, a practical decision morphs into a psychological prism.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
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Speaker 2: Well, a caretaker might initially hide the body in a
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moment of sheer financial panic. That is a logical, albeit
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illegal action, But as weeks turn into years, the psychological
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weight of the proximity to the body becomes unbearable.
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Speaker 1: So to survive the guilt, they had to build a
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wall of the not.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, they construct a cognitive dissonance. They convince themselves the
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outbuilding is just an outbuilding. The physical separation of the
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shed allows for mental compartmentalization. They divorce the reality of
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the freezer from their daily existence in the main house.
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Over time. The logic that started the process is completely
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buried under the deny aisle required to sustain it, which.
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Speaker 1: Brings us back to the most heartbreaking commonality in every
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single one of these historical precedents and the Juno case itself.
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In the main case, the Florida case, the San Diego case,
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the person who committed the act dies and the secret
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outlives the secret keeper. It always ends with an innocent
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party opening the lid.
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Speaker 2: The burden of the truth is inevitably traumatically transferred to
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someone who had no part in the lie.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about that human toll, because the trauma inflicted
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on the discovering family in Juno is staggering. I just
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can't stop thinking about them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, consider the emotional baseline of the people who opened
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that freezer on July nineteenth, and the stay cleanout is
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inherently fraud. Anyway, You're already grieving, right You are in
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a state of active mourning. You are dealing with the
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heavy practical labor of hauling doses and making sentimental decisions.
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You are operating on a foundational assumption that you intimately
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knew the person whose life you were packing up.
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Speaker 1: You assume the lock shed contains a.
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Speaker 2: Snowblower, The psychological whiplash of transitioning from that much indigne
28:00
sad task to the sudden realization of human remains causes
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an absolute neurological short circuit.
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Speaker 1: It instantly transforms a mourning process into a crime scene.
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Psychologists who study this specific type of sudden traumatic exposure
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note very severe reactions they do.
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Speaker 2: The family experiences an acute stress response, their sympathetic nervous
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system goes into overdrive. They frequently suffer from intrusive imagery.
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They literally cannot stop seeing the contents of the freezer
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when they close their eyes.
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Speaker 1: God, that's horrifict and it.
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Speaker 2: Forces them into a very specific psychological state known as
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complicated grief.
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Speaker 1: Because they aren't just sad anymore. Their grief for the
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relative who just died is now permanently tangled up with
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the horror of what that relative was hiding.
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Speaker 2: Their emotional bandwidth is torn in two completely incompatible directions.
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They are mourning the person they loved while simultaneously being
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terrified of them. And then comes the cascade of unanswerable questions.
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Speaker 1: The brain just demands answers, was there recently deceased relative
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a murderer? Where they have victim of someone else who
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used their shed. Did other living family members know and
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keep quiet?
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Speaker 2: The breakdown of familial trust is catastrophic, and if the
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remains are eventually identified as that missing relative, the one
29:16
everyone assumed had moved to Seattle or Anchorage, the discovery
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brings a paradoxical agony.
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Speaker 1: You have closure because you finally know where he is,
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but you have this fresh, visceral horror that he never
29:30
actually left the property. He was fifty feet away during
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every Thanksgiving dinner for the last decade exactly. It makes
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me think of an analogy. It's like a double exposure photograph.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good way to look at it.
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Speaker 1: You take a picture on film, you don't wind it,
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and you take another picture right on top of it.
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The family's memories of their deceased loved one, the good times,
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the normal life. That's the first photograph, but now it
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is permanently overlaid with this dark, terrifying image of what
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was hidden in the shed. I never look at the
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first picture again without seeing the horror bleeding through the background.
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Speaker 2: That is a painfully accurate way to describe complicated grief.
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The legacy is permanently altered, and that is the reality
30:11
of the family in Juno is trapped in Right now
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as we speak, this investigation is highly active. The physical
30:17
yellow tape might be down at the mobile home park,
30:20
but the scientific and bureaucratic processes are just beginning.
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Speaker 1: The Alaska State Medical Examiner's Office is managing the slow
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thawing process, the detectives are hunting for the paper trail,
30:30
and the public is just left waiting.
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Speaker 2: If we synthesize everything we've covered today, we started with
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a routine task in an isolated Alaskan capital that uncovered
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a bizarre reality. We examine how the unique geography and
30:42
the cultural privacy of the last Frontier can inadvertently create
30:45
the perfect environment for a secret to fester undisturbed.
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Speaker 1: We analyze the immediate law enforcement response, the bureaucratic anomaly
30:53
of a missing person who was never officially reported missing,
30:56
and the immense challenges of navigating a case with no
30:59
paper trail.
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Speaker 2: We delved into the complex cellular mechanics of the deep freeze.
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How ice preserves vital evidence like toxicology, but simultaneously acts
31:08
as microscopic shrapnel, creating artifacts that mask the true cause
31:12
of death and totally erase the biological timeline.
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Speaker 1: We looked at the grim historical precedence, from Frank Julian
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hauling a frozen body across state lines for nearly thirty years,
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to the cold financial calculus of benefits fraud, to the
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heartbreaking psychological breaks of spouses simply unable to process.
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Speaker 2: Death, and ultimately we grounded the science and the history
31:33
in the human toll, the profound, complicated grief of a
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family who walked into an outbuilding to say goodbye and
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instead found a nightmare that rewrote their entire reality.
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Speaker 1: The general case is actively testing the limits of forensic
31:47
science right now. But while this happened in an isolated
31:50
part of Alaska, the core elements of this story are
31:53
entirely universal. You might be listening to this in a
31:56
bustling city or a quiet suburb, but we all have sheds,
32:00
all have garages, We all have neighbors whose lives we
32:02
don't fully see. This story serves as a stark reminder
32:05
that the most ordinary, mundane domestic spaces, the driveways you
32:09
pull into, the outbuildings you walk past every single day
32:12
without a second thought, can harbor the most extraordinary realities.
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Speaker 2: Which leaves us with one final lingering concept to consider
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as you digest the mechanics of this case, think about
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the era we live in now. In our modern world,
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we leave an exhaust plume of digital footprints, our bank cards,
32:28
register every coffee we buy, our cell phones constantly ping towers, triangulating,
32:33
our location algorithms track our daily habits. If the individual
32:38
in that freezer was placed there recently, how on earth
32:41
did there sudden absolute digital silence not trigger an automated
32:45
alarm within a financial institution or a cell provider.
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Speaker 1: It's a great question.
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Speaker 2: And conversely, if they were placed in that freezer decades ago,
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before the digital safety net existed, how many other secrets
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from the pre digital age are still quietly humming away
32:59
in lock sheds and unplugged appliances, simply waiting for a
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family to clean out in a state.
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Speaker 1: Thank you all so much for joining us on this
33:06
deep dive. We appreciate your time and your curiosity as
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we unpack the science, the history, and the reality of
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this case. Until next time,