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The Count of Monte Cristo, Episode 4 (PBS) · Girls Gone Hallmark | Hallmark Movie Reviews

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Girls Gone Hallmark, a Hallmark review podcast talking
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  Speaker 1: PBS Today. I'm Megan and I'm a longtime Hallmark fan.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Wendy. I'm a former Hallmark hater. On today's episode,
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  Speaker 1: we are discussing the Count of Monte Cristo, episode four,
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  Speaker 1: which originally aired on PBS on Sunday, April twelfth, and
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  Speaker 1: is currently available to stream on PBS dot Org or
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  Speaker 1: air on your local PBS affiliate if you miss them
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  Speaker 1: the first time around. As mentioned, we are Girls Gone Hallmark.
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  Speaker 1: doing PBS, you should consider doing the Puzzle Lady. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what that is is lady. I mean
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  Speaker 1: I feel like this is right in the lane.
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  Speaker 2: Of Hallmark, Like it's like a mystery.
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  Speaker 1: It's a mystery. Cora aka the Puzzle Lady is eccentric,
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  Speaker 2: Show and I'm kind of interested in that.
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  Speaker 1: Not for maybe not for us, because we were just
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  Speaker 1: talking of I say, like, Wendy slow your role, stop
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  Speaker 1: with suggesting, but maybe for you to watch, especially now
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  Speaker 1: that you're a PBS Passport subscriber. I think I'm a
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  Speaker 1: huge fan. I'm so happy to hear it. You know.
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  Speaker 1: My husband last night one step Closer to the down
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  Speaker 1: to Abbey Binge we are. I was watching this episode,
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  Speaker 1: The Count of Monte Cristo, episode four, and it was
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  Speaker 1: the opera scene and there was like, oh brand music
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  Speaker 1: playing and my husband I was upstairs when we are
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  Speaker 1: in like an open loft area, so that sound kind
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  Speaker 1: of like to the house, and he.
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  Speaker 2: Goes, what the hell are you watch?
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  Speaker 1: As his TV's his TV, the downstairs cvs competing with like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, guns firing, and I don't know what he
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  Speaker 1: was watching anyway, I was like, it's pits. I actually
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  Speaker 1: think he would really like the show if you just yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's like me, I'm a hater of all things.
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  Speaker 1: If somebody said, Wendy, you're gonna watch The Count of
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  Speaker 1: Mondy Cristo, I would have been like, what that's his response?
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  Speaker 2: You know, especially right now it's getting so good.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about it. We are gonna
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  Speaker 1: get into it. Sorry, totally off the rails. I know
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  Speaker 1: some people don't like it. Tune in for our listeners
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  Speaker 1: survey recap episode coming on Monday. I am who I am? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there were some responses. I was like, well, that's not
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  Speaker 1: gonna change. Yeah, we'll get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Why don't we?
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  Speaker 1: Damn it?
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  Speaker 3: Now?
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  Speaker 1: Do I need to watch the Puzzle Lady? There were
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  Speaker 1: several other recommendations. There was Poldark, which honestly I know
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  Speaker 1: good stuff on PBS. Let me tell you. I four
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  Speaker 1: really long slow blink just because behind the scenes, Wendy
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  Speaker 1: and I are back and forth like and everything I do,
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  Speaker 1: tell me for a minute, what did you think? I
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  Speaker 1: was like, do we need to separate and just have
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  Speaker 2: Worst idea in the world.
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  Speaker 1: But I yeah, I remember when we have Long Story
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  Speaker 2: No, The thoughts that compete with me are for disc ability.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, you know, are people going to find PBS content
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  Speaker 1: I just this is how we make all our best
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  Speaker 2: Talking about Sam clavelanyet.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's move on. I know. Are you ready for synopsis? Yep.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna read their synopsis, and then I have a thought.
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  Speaker 1: Ok I'm gonna share five years after Edmund becomes the
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  Speaker 1: Count of Monte Cristo, he meets his enemies in Paris.
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  Speaker 1: Edmund invites them all to dinner and tells a spooky
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  Speaker 1: story about a newborn baby buried alive, which horrifies several
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  Speaker 1: of his guests. First of all, this synopsis barely covers
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  Speaker 1: everything that happens in those for sure second five years.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody told me there was a jump in time here. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The only reason I knew there was a jump in
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  Speaker 1: time is because the synopsis appeared on screen when I
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  Speaker 1: was watching this. Yeah, And at the beginning of the
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  Speaker 1: episode it says years earlier. Like, it doesn't tell you
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  Speaker 1: a timeline, It just tells you like, years earlier. Then
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  Speaker 1: we jump back to present day, which is five years
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  Speaker 1: I assume five years from when we last met Edmund.
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  Speaker 1: But why can we get the on screen text that
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  Speaker 1: says years earlier and not the on screen text. I
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  Speaker 1: guess it's confusing, Like if you say years earlier. It's
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  Speaker 1: not five years later from years earlier. It's five years
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  Speaker 1: so since he yeah, yeah, I know, but I thought
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  Speaker 1: that was confusing. That was not the only confusing element
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  Speaker 1: of this episode for me, so I had to do
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  Speaker 1: lots and lots of googling. We do have some news
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  Speaker 1: and notes. Billy Augusts directed all eight episodes of this
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  Speaker 1: mini series. Billy's a Danish screenwriter, cinematographer and director, and
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  Speaker 1: he's currently in pre production on Julius Caesar. Are we
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  Speaker 1: going to be watching that at two brute? Maybe? I
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  Speaker 1: mean I feel a little little like, what was what's
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  Speaker 1: the word I'm looking for, Like sophisticated? Yes, real's like
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  Speaker 1: I watched its that in my New Yorker subscription and
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  Speaker 1: I'm a a hole grown up. This is midlife baby.
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  Speaker 1: Greg Letterer and Sandra Petrolia wrote all eight episodes of
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  Speaker 1: the mini series. Our regular cast returns, including Sam Claflin
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  Speaker 1: as Edmund Dante's, Michelle Riondino as Jacko Poe, and Jason
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  Speaker 1: Barnett as Cadarousse. We also have the addition of several
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  Speaker 1: new players. You can see all of them on our website.
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  Speaker 1: Girls Gone Hallmark, where there is a complete list in
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  Speaker 1: our show notes. Hey, Wendy, what's your first impression of
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  Speaker 1: episode four of The Count of Monte Cristo. I was
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  Speaker 1: prepared for juicy revenge, not whatever, dark sinister turn. This
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  Speaker 1: just took right, Wendy texting me, she starts walking, She's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is dark. This was dark. Wow. My first impression
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  Speaker 1: is simply we're getting to the good stuff. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: doesn't that make you feel a little bit a little cool? Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a little nervous. I'm a little nervous. We'll talk
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  Speaker 1: about it. I love that everybody who's ever read this
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  Speaker 1: novel and or seen a previous version of the show
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  Speaker 1: is like, hey.
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  Speaker 2: Demies, welcome, get there faster.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I actually am kind of glad that I haven't
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  Speaker 1: read the book, because it's it's like watching an unknown series.
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  Speaker 1: You're like, it's gonna happen, even though this is very
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  Speaker 1: much like a known property. I have no previous exposure,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm just experiencing it in real time as I want,
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  Speaker 1: I know, and yesterday, as I'm googling because I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I need some contacts here. What's happening? Yeah, and then
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  Speaker 1: you see like things that are coming right when you google.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to spoil but no, no, no no,
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  Speaker 1: but let's talk what we liked about this episode. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead. Well, we had asked ourselves, what's the s
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  Speaker 1: revenge going to look like? What do you think this
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  Speaker 1: is going to look like? And we start to get
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  Speaker 1: a picture of it in this episode, and I am
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  Speaker 1: shocked that I'm kind of loving the revenge stuff. I
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  Speaker 1: think it walks a very fine line. It's very uncomfortable
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  Speaker 1: to watch in some spots. But when we learn when
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  Speaker 1: he starts connecting with Albert, Fernande and Mercedes Son, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh no, what's he gonna do to poor Albert?
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  Speaker 1: Because I was thinking I thought Albert was a goner
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  Speaker 1: to be honest, Well, I thought, right, They're going to
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  Speaker 1: kidnap him, They're going to torture him. This is how
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna get because what revenge like? That's the worst
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  Speaker 1: thing you or I could ever imagine, like get to
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  Speaker 1: our kids, right or But I appreciate that so far
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  Speaker 1: he did scare Albert, he did it in a way
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  Speaker 1: that indebted Albert to him, that made Albert want to
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  Speaker 1: be warm and welcoming to him, feel like he was
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  Speaker 1: owed to favor. You know, he did walk a line
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  Speaker 1: like had him kidnapped, all of that. But I think
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  Speaker 1: that maybe we're seeing like there is some level of
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  Speaker 1: moral compass in his revenge in Dantes and Edmond Dante's
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  Speaker 1: He's not willing to harm the innocent too much. Yeah, okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: yet right, I don't know what's coming. I have not
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  Speaker 1: seen that spoiled yet. For me, I haven't seen anything spoiled. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm like, we might get that sure, that possibility,
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  Speaker 1: that possibility remains. But when I realized that the count
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  Speaker 1: was ten steps ahead of me in this process, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, Oh, the storytelling is what I'm really liking,
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: the reveal of the story and what's happening. I have
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  Speaker 1: said it before. I do plan to read this after
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  Speaker 1: because I would love to get more into the details.
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  Speaker 1: Especially having seen it play out. I feel like I'll
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  Speaker 1: be able to envision it better. But really, he's devising
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  Speaker 1: a multi layered plan to psychologically torture these men three
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  Speaker 1: d chess. Yes, yes, I agree. When he embeds himself
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  Speaker 1: into the lives of Albert and then Mercedes and fernand
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  Speaker 1: it's so smart and intimate. It's next level, Like, You're right,
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  Speaker 1: he is ten steps ahead of whatever they might find out.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to be way ahead of them. I kind
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  Speaker 1: of love this slow infiltration of being in Paris and
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  Speaker 1: being in there this world right like you said, Like
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  Speaker 1: I enjoy the revenge part of it. And even in
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  Speaker 1: previous episodes it might have been last week's episode or
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  Speaker 1: the week before, I was like, you know that ticks
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  Speaker 1: like some sort of like box and me like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: drawn to that, but.
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  Speaker 2: I'm also super uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, doesn't this go far beyond anything you or I
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  Speaker 1: could have inflicting on our high school enemies, right, like right,
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  Speaker 1: But every scene is so tense and I'm like, oh God,
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  Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? What's gonna happen? Are you
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  Speaker 1: gonna be exposed? Which I have some thoughts about in
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  Speaker 1: my wishes, But look when he when we get that
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  Speaker 1: opening scene of Villefort burying a box with a live
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  Speaker 1: baby in it, Yeah, that sets the tone for this
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  Speaker 1: whole episode. Yeah. I have a lot to say about that,
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  Speaker 1: but I want to back it up though. The set
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  Speaker 1: up in Rome with Albert's kidnapping, Like you said, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh no, where is this going? Like they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna hurt Albert, and I was like, Albert's an innocent,
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  Speaker 1: myronic and all of this. But I would assume like
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  Speaker 1: that would be the best revenge, just to get back
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  Speaker 1: at you know, he's not trying to get back at Mercedes, though,
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  Speaker 1: isn't he? Though I don't. Oh, I don't know. That's
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  Speaker 1: a good question. He does say the love of my life,
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  Speaker 1: the only I think he says in present tense, like
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  Speaker 1: the woman I love at one point, but when he
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  Speaker 1: sees her, I think there is a level to which
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  Speaker 1: he feels betrayed by her because she's with Fernand, her cousin. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and it wasn't all that long after she thought you
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  Speaker 1: was one year after, I know, but she thought he
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  Speaker 1: was dead. Okay, but it's the great love of your life.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I would never and he dies, well never,
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  Speaker 1: I would never put that on somebody like you must
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  Speaker 1: pine for me for the rest I wouldn't either.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't either, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: It would not make me feel revengeful. I think he's.
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  Speaker 2: Revengeful if he's If.
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  Speaker 1: He's revengeful towards Mercedes, that's where I feel it's complicated
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  Speaker 1: at I think for sure, I think so too. The
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  Speaker 1: she didn't act with malice, yes, exactly. Towards Ferdinand. I
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  Speaker 1: think he needs to be more revengeful towards Villefort. He's
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  Speaker 1: the one who put him in jail and danglars, and
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  Speaker 1: I mean he definitely has it out for Villefort in
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  Speaker 1: this episode. Wait, how did he come to have that information?
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  Speaker 1: That's also my wishes too. Okay, that's also my wishes.
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  Speaker 1: Let's keep talking, like.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I like that Mercedes.
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  Speaker 1: Is clocking something is not off about like Dante's. I
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  Speaker 1: have complicated feelings about this, and I'm sorry if I'm
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  Speaker 1: not articulating it, but I like that She's like, you
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  Speaker 1: seem kind of familiar. I'm gonna talk more of my wishes.
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  Speaker 1: How do they not recognize this person? Oh gosh, one
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent. That's in my wishes too. But I think
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  Speaker 1: she does, Like when she starts like breathing heavily, and
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  Speaker 1: then I think she like at first, You're like, does
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  Speaker 1: she know? And then when she kind of had like
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  Speaker 1: a little panic attack, Yeah, I think she knows, but
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  Speaker 1: she's probably questioning me because she's like, no, that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make sense. How is it? This doesn't make sense? Yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I wish we kind of had like her perspective a
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  Speaker 1: little bit sure, sort of like writing in her diary
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  Speaker 1: like I think I saw I don't know, I need something, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: something I would love from tweeting like, oh my god, guys,
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  Speaker 1: I saw my dead fiance.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, Oh could this possibly be happening?
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  Speaker 1: I could not help When they're in the opera scene
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  Speaker 1: and like everybody's like staring at each other through their like, yeah, killers.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know that song by Somber where it's like
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  Speaker 1: in a room full of people look for I was like,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I was playing in my head. That is
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  Speaker 1: what I was playing, And in fact, I was going
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  Speaker 1: to use that as my first impression that I was
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  Speaker 1: like maybe a little niche get it anyway. My last
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  Speaker 1: like is the dinner party from hell M. This was
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  Speaker 1: so good. I thought, yeah, so creepy, so sinister. He's
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  Speaker 1: just like, drop a little bombs. He's just like see
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  Speaker 1: be totally and very casually and not even in a
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  Speaker 1: way that he's like pretending like these are major declarations.
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  Speaker 2: He's just like, hint, this room interesting, so creepy, here's
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  Speaker 2: the lore of this room.
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  Speaker 1: And it was you Yeah, but this is where he
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  Speaker 1: scares me a little bit, and like he is scary.
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  Speaker 2: He's scary, right, Sam Klaslin is so good.
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  Speaker 1: And the reactions he does on his face sometimes are
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  Speaker 1: so minor. I said this in the first episode too,
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  Speaker 1: but the way he reacts when he's in that opera
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  Speaker 1: and he starts panicking, and just the way his face changes,
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  Speaker 1: and then the way he just puts that mask up
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  Speaker 1: in front of these men and tells this story and
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  Speaker 1: talks about the mortals, the poisons that he possesses, and oh,
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  Speaker 1: my gosh, so creepy. Do you have any other likes? Well? Actually,
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  Speaker 1: I really liked the storytelling behind the baby reveal. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we opened and you had texted me, You're like, who's
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  Speaker 1: having this baby? And I, fortunately I had close captioning
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  Speaker 1: on and I heard them say her mine and I
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  Speaker 1: wrote that down, but I was like, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: who that is? Yeah, And then I just knew that
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  Speaker 1: there was a woman. And the only reason I even
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  Speaker 1: recognize that as Villefort is because the midwife says, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I know you're Villefort. Yea. Then we rewind and we
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  Speaker 1: get it told do the midwife size, and we get
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  Speaker 1: all of the information and we get the reveal that
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  Speaker 1: Donglaar's wife had Villefort's baby and he attempted to murder
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  Speaker 1: that baby, but the midwife saved him. That was really
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  Speaker 1: great storytelling, even though I was like in the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, wait, who are these Who's what's going on? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: The reveal I kept I was like, what did I miss?
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, for sure. So there wasn't any explanation, right, No,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: not until the end. Okay, not until the end. I
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: mean that's a lot to like bring your viewers. That's
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: how you're gonna lose viewers, Like you got to give
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: us like, don't jump from here to there. Well unless
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: you're like, wait, I got to stick around and see
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: what's going on. And at least they did it all
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: in the same episode. Oh for sure, for sure. Well,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you That's why where I did all my
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: googling at because I was like, oh, did Villefort have
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: an affair with this woman? Or was it before? From
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: what I read is and in this episode you hear
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: that we're in the home of Villefort's first wife's parents, right,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: So I think he might have been married at some
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: point to someone else, and he may have had something
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: with her mind who was not yet with Danglars. It's messy,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: it's messy, messy. Also had read that what we saw
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: in this episode is not what happens in the in
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: the book, interesting, there's some other person that sees the
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: baby being buried, and that person is the one who
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: saves the baby. It's not the midwife. And I thought, okay,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: well they've simplified this a little bit. But who does
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: that baby turn out to be? Then? Oh, yeah, that's
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: that's that's the biggest question. I don't know who it is.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: How old are they in present day? I don't know. Yeah,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: is it it's not the child who has the seizures?
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Is it No, because that would be Villefort. No, you
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: can never mind scratch, scratch all that, and that the.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Villafort's son, right, his current wife?
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Is it his? It is his current Okay, I just
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: need to know who this who this baby is, right,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: and that's going to help establish like some time markers. Sure, Okay,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: let's stuck. Wicious. Okay, I already talked about it. I
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: needed way more contexts into the Villefort baby situation. We
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: just talked about it. Yeah, and again, the book The
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: count Mine Crystal, I think is twelve hundred meters long.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: So there's far more context in the book than they
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: can put even into an eight episode mini series. So
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: we are having to make some leaps. And I wonder
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: if when people are making an adaptation like this, are
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: they expecting their viewers to have that context or are
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: they just saying, look, there are some things you're going to.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Have to be okay with not having all the details about.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Because it tells a story. Sure, But for me, I
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: do have many many questions, many many, many, many, many
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: many questions.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: And you talked about it. How do these men not
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: recognize him?
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I think it speaks that would enrage me actually if
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I was Edmund, because I would think I'm so inconsequential
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: to these men that they ruined my life and then
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: forgot about me. Yeah, whereas Mercedes her recognizing him speaks.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: To his value to her, Right, what do you mean
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: you don't remember me? You still my fiance? You freaking weirdo?
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Totally. Next wish is how and you talked about too,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: How is Edmund figuring all of this out? I don't understand.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: He has resources, he has people, he has time, but
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: the level of detail that he knows about like Villefort
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: and her mind and the baby. How does he know that?
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: How did he know that it ever happened? We only
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: have that one shot where he's going through all those papers,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: but that was about his arrest and all that stuff.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean he finds the midwife, how did
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: he even know.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: To looking for this person? Like, yeah, cat Rousse, well, yes,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: but canter Rousse seems to be good at executing a plan.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Cadarousse is not the brains behind this operation. So well, sure,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I think cat Rousse was the one who found the information.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: How did he not even look for it? It just
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: feels very advanced, And like you said, I wonder if
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: writers who do an adaptation like this or just like okay,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: just viewers go along with the story here.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just accept that you got the information and we're
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: going to be.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Good with that. Yeah, that's interesting to me. Also, Jacko Poe,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't know you had that in you When he
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: slits them, Oh my gosh, of the asylum guard or whatever.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Didn't see that coming. I thought we were like playing
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: in an area of like non murder. Well, and I
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: kind of actually like that. Edmund's like, what do you
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: do and do. That's actually kind of a problem for
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: us that you know, these actions do have consequences, you know.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I think Jacopoe has gotten to the point where he's like, well,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I'm untouchable because Edmund has all these resources. Perhaps, so
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I just, you know, walk amongst this world with a
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: lot of freedom. I forgot to mention alike, and that
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: is remember back in episode two or excuse me, Episode three,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Edmund saves Jacopoe from the authorities, and we're like, yeah,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: but he's a bad guy, Like, why are you trusting
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: this criminal with basically your life? In this episode, I
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: get some clarity on that because when he saves Luigi,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: he's like, hey, they're coming for you. You might want to hide.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Luigi's like, why did you hell me? He says, I
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: have an aversion to authority. So here, I'm like, okay,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: he hates authority more than he is concerned about Yakapo's
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: criminal tech days. Yeah, so he's like, I got to
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: stick it to somebody, and it's gonna be those guys.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Got it makes sense. I also want to know what
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: the drug that Edmund is taking for his stress and
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: anxiety is. I googled it. Well, I googled it too,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: and then it led me like a rabbit hole, the
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of drugs that he takes apparently throughout all
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: the And I was like, this is too much. I'm
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: just gonna walk away. What did your google? It was
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: like some tincture that would basically calm him down. I mean, yeah,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: it seemed like he was taking you know, medieval xannnax.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, apparently there's more drugs coming. Oh really
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: in other ways, done done dune. Oh and then I
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: just need to know where that baby is. Where's that baby?
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Where's that baby? Who's that baby? Is this baby somebody
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: we've seen before? Who raised that baby? The midwife didn't
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: raise that baby. Yeah, and doesn't even matter, it doesn't
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: there's no DNA testing, So right now, it's not like
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: they're gonna be like, this is your raby in the book. Yeah,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: no it's not. You are the father? Yeah, all right,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: are you ready for some discussion questions? Yeah? I want
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: to talk about the drugs. Do you think his behavior
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: is influenced by whatever he's taking, Like, is he going
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: off the deep end because he's high on something?
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Or oh, like you think that made him mean maybe No.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I think fifteen years in prison just really altered.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: His brain chemistry. And where the hell is he getting
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: all these potions from.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, money buys everything, apparently.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: I guess. I'm like, I don't think Abby didn't teach
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: him anything about Kimi, but I really do need Like
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the Count of Monty Cristal of the last year is like,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: what were we doing? Give me a montage all the
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: things that you were doing in these five years? Mm.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Do we think Edmund is a genius because this plan
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: is elaborate? I do, do you? Yeah, it's the chestnut
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: checkers of it all. I mean, he has a pretty
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: incredible mind, I think to put all of these pieces
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: into motion. I think he's seeing the next steps ahead
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: of when they happen. You know, he buys this estate
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: and then backwards engineers getting all of these people here
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: and all of the things. You know, he's got to
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: make the connections with Albert in order to get in
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: with these people. I unless there's another brains.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Behind the operation. I do think there's a lot of
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: credit to be given to him.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: It has me wondering people who have like read this
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: book what they think of the character of the Count
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: of Monte Cristo, Like, is he of because because I
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: truly don't know, is he of? Is he a good guy?
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Is he justified? And in the end, like will we
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: be like oh it was all worth it? I don't know.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know where we're at. That's why I don't
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: want to google too much because I don't want to
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: spoil it for me. Do you think he Do you
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: think Edmund is still about justice pursuit of justice? Or
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: has he crossed into something darker? Here? To me, it's
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: more revenge than justice. Yeah, it's not just I went
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: to prison, now you should go to prison. It's I
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: suffered enormously and now you will suffer enormously. Those two
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: things aren't the same. Yeah, gosh, it's just And I'm
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: going to decide what that suffering looks like.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: How many episodes are left for? This is only one season?
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a mini series. This has an ended point?
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Does oh boy? Okay, my last question, somebody told you
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: a story like that at a dinner party, would you
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: stay or would you be out the door about the baby? Yeah?
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Like invited you into their home. I'd be like looking
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: around at the people around me, like, what's going on,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: who is it?
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Why is this bed still a mess all these years later?
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: So creepy? Yeah, yeah, it was funny because you know,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: they're all out in the yard and everybody's like drinking champagne,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: and her mind's like obviously, and nobody's reacting to her,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: not even her husband, no, except for it like Villefort
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: like goes and says something shut up. He's like, put
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: a smile on that face. God, these men are awful.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I know. Well, even like Villefort is really the true
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: villain here. So far we've seen like we don't need
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: your word from Douglas in this. Danglars, Yeah, I'm like,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: is he that bad of a guy. He just seems
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: like happy to be there. And I was like, oh,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: you really have no idea who he is, Like when
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: he gets out of that coach at the country estate,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: mm hmm. I was like, I mean, I think he's
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: motivated because Dantees was like, oh, yeah, I got Fourmula
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and Frank to invest in your bank or whatever. Yeah,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: And if you think way back to the beginning, Danglars
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: was so but hurt when he didn't get promoted that
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I think he likes station and influence and power, and
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: he's like, oh, I'm being invited by this very wealthy
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: man to participate. Right, I have a question for you. Okay,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: how do you feel with the way Edmund is treating Caderousse?
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Good question. He's still pissed off at him, Yeah, and
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I think, like, yes, we talked about this in action
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: makes him guilty adjacent, right, but we're five years in
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: and he's still kind of treating him poorly. Yeah, and
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: he cat Russe is doing everything that is asked of him.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: When he says, can I sit down and have a
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: meal with you? Honestly, it broke my heart.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: I know, I don't know why I'm feeling bad for
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: this man, but I I understood Caderousse's actions, like he
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: was not in a good place to stop these men exactly.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: So Dante's needs to give him a little bit of grace. Yeah,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: and maybe like write the ship. Yeah, dude, like you
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: kind of did me dirty, but now you've been five years,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: like you've proven your loyalty exactly, bring you into the
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: inner circle. Yeah, let the man eat a meal with you.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Joca Po.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: I know he loves Jocapo, although he did piss him
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: off in this episode.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Anyway, all right, we will be back next week with
• 30:40
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• 30:42
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• 30:52
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• 30:56
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