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92. Client Interview: How Jasmine Went from Avoiding Networking to Ambassador for Leading 300+ Women · You're Overqualified Podcast - Career and Leadership Strategies for Women

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  Hi, I'm Danny Tan and if you are here, you are in the right
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  place. Welcome to the Pivot and
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  Promotion podcast where we say forget the rules because they
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  weren't written for us. I'm Danny Tan, I'm your host as
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  well as career and leadership coach and a proud advocate for
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  redefining what success and leadership looks like.
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  And here's what I know. You can lead at any level, you
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  can pivot at any age, and you can make moves that feel right
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  for you. Whether you're climbing the
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  corporate ladder, starting something completely new, or
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  just figuring out your next step.
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  I've got you covered with strategies, stories, and
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  straight up inspiration. So let's make some moves.
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  All righty OK, so today's episode is super fun because I
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  have my client Jasmine here and Jasmine has been on a journey.
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  Let's just say we are now entering a year and a half of
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  working together in coaching, which has been a complete joy
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  because she's not only a total badass, hard working and bold,
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  but she's really funny too. She's a great time.
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  So we're gonna have a really good time on this episode.
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  Yes No, it's all true. It's all true.
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  And also she has amazing style. So if you're watching the video
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  portion of this, you'll see that too.
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  He's always has killer sweaters in the winter all radius.
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  We already know what stuff is going to be about.
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  So I'm going to go ahead and have Jasmine introduce herself
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  because I always say there's no better height person than
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  yourself. So Jasmine, go ahead and just
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  say hello and give a little background on yourself.
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  Yeah, amazing. So I'm Jasmine.
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  I am currently a senior manager of e-commerce at a fitness tech
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  company, which I just started a new role, which is really
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  exciting. And I also am currently the San
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  Francisco ambassador for a women's only networking group
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  called Monday Girl in the San Francisco area.
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  So hosting events and really trying to bring community
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  together for women in the area. And then also said it was funny.
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  I also do improv. So I'm on an improv team and
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  that is my so that is kind of like my outlet in the middle of
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  everything to in order to kind of like get myself out of my
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  head and out of my space. So also that as well.
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  But yeah, that's, that's pretty much me.
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  I am in the San Francisco Bay Area and other cities before
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  that, but that's this is where I am now.
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  I love it and thank you for throwing in the tidbit about the
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  because I don't want to forget that and that part is golden and
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  so good. So, so excited for Jasmine.
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  Jasmine has, as you, as you've heard, just started a brand new
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  job, which is really exciting and she's navigated so many
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  things even before that. So we'll definitely dive into
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  that. But how we'll kind of start it
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  off is that, I mean, you can hear there's like you've done,
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  right? And so I'm sure for a lot of
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  people, they'll think, oh, well, you know, if you're so driven
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  and motivated and accomplished, like why coaching?
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  We only got to there's a problem.
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  But I think also there's other reasons why we go to coaching
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  too. But I won't put words in
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  anyone's mouth. So the question that I will ask
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  you is, you know, what really started the idea for you to want
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  to do coaching? Like what even like initiated
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  that idea or there like anything that maybe you were getting
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  stuck on or struggling with or needed support, Like how did
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  that kind of come to be? Yeah.
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  So I would say about two years ago I was just feeling really
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  stuck in where I was. So I was at manager level and I
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  was like, I feel like I've been in kind of the same level and
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  not being able to move forward. And my role had changed a few
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  times at the company that I was at.
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  And I was like, what, where am I going?
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  What am I doing? And I felt like I knew what I
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  wanted my path to be. Like kind of like superficially
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  I was like, I want this and I want to do these promotions and
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  whatever and blah, blah. And like this was the end goal,
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  but it kind of felt like it wasn't.
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  I wasn't working towards that goal, but I also felt like I was
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  just kind of like just stuck. And it was kind of like, how do
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  I move forward? How do I get to where I want to
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  be? And what does that look like?
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  And so I went into coaching for a couple of reasons.
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  So one wanting to figure out that career path and wanting to
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  feel like, OK, like here's some here's some goals, here's some
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  things to reach for, here's some things that are achievable.
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  And this is this are going to get to the end.
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  And even like a clear path on like what that was in order to
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  feel unstuck and then also wanting to get a promotion or
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  get a new job and knowing what that kind of like next step was
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  and like be able to define both of those, like what does that
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  look like and what do each of those paths look like?
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  And then another thing for me was networking.
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  I know it may not seem like it. I know you guys don't know me,
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  but I like a year and a half ago, you could not have put me
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  in a room with people and have me speak out loud.
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  I am absolutely an ambivert. I need to like when I'm in a
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  situation, I'm either going to be a wallflower or an extrovert.
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  I don't know which one's going to happen.
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  And then networking situation, it was the introvert of it all.
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  And I would just like go to event and I would sit in the
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  corner or not want to go and completely like panic and just
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  like we'll have paid for a ticket for something, maybe
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  gotten there and then like, no, I'm good.
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  And so really need to work on the networking side of things.
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  And just like wanting to feel more confident in myself in
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  those situations and wanting to really be able to be like,
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  you're here and you like own it. And like, don't be scared to
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  like be there and like you bring purpose and value.
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  So like, just do it. So yeah.
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  And yeah, so if everyone's like, wait a minute, but she does
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  improv and she's the ambassador of her Monday girl.
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  OK, we'll definitely talk more about that because I think
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  that's something that's good to highlight.
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  And you definitely had a journey and you put yourself out there
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  in so many different ways. So goals are like, the
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  challenges make sense. It's not.
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  Maybe it was just that was coming up there with like, the
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  stuckness of like, what should my career path be?
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  What should my next step be? Kind of been feeling the same
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  and how do I take action and do something different?
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  I always say that if you're doing the same thing, you're
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  going to get the same result. So you have to do something
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  different or for there to be some change.
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  And so that all makes sense. So you're pretty clear on what
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  your goals were, your vision when it came to going into
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  coaching. Is there anything else like
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  specific that you were like OK I want to make sure we this or
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  that Why even you decided to work with me specifically?
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  Yeah, so I will go like why I decided to work with Danny.
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  So I had been surfaced like and I feel like it was like the
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  universe something like I was on LinkedIn and I had seen a video
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  surface from Danny from the podcast and I was like, I
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  listened through it and I was like, yeah, I was like something
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  I feel like I needed to hear. And I can't remember the podcast
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  what it was, but it was it was something around like like
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  confidence or something like that.
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  And I was like, yeah, no, like I need this like have these tough
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  conversations that I've been shying away from.
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  And then I think because I watched the one video, then I
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  started getting more videos. So not me like being like, I'm
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  just on LinkedIn, like it was Instagram, like I'm just going
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  to watch. And I feel like what you were
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  saying like resonated so much and like the people that you had
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  on this like guest. I was like, it just felt so
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  real. And so I like, you know, reached
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  out and it's like I filled out like a form or something.
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  And then when we spoke, I was like, yeah, like we matched
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  vibes. And I think it was also because
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  like you were at the time, like, and like your career path was
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  like in the fashion industry, like retail industry, which is
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  like what I was in at the time. And like really wanting to be
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  like, OK, like you understand and will understand the like the
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  insurance and outs, like the intricacies and stuff like that
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  of that industry and knowing like you've worked through it.
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  And I was like, I'm in the middle of trying to work through
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  it. And I found that so valuable
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  because I think sometimes, at least for me, I was like, I was
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  somebody who understands where I am and what industry I'm in
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  because I feel like there are a lot of similarities for
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  different entries for like fashion retail.
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  But it's definitely its own little niche and it has its own
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  little things that are very particular.
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  And so I think that was also part of it.
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  It was like just that, like I could say merchandising or, you
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  know, planner or whatever and whatever words that came up
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  like, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, like I know what that is.
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  And not having to like, you know, explain it at length and
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  be like, we're spending time and I'm explaining like the business
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  of fashion. So I feel like that kind of
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  helps a lot to just be able to kind of just like get down to
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  like even stripping it away, which I didn't realize at the
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  time, to strip it away and just be like, it's you and not
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  necessarily like the, you know, like industry, whatever which
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  you're in. Like you can thrive anywhere.
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  And I feel like off the bat, like you had that energy about
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  you that was like, you can do this.
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  I feel like from day one, I was like, like, you're like, you're
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  great. And I was like, yeah, yeah,
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  yeah. So it's kind of like, it's like,
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  no, like something like, I was like, you just met me and you're
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  like, you know, I feel like feeling so much confidence.
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  And I feel like the first couple meetings like we had, I came out
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  of it just like, OK, like I definitely made the right
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  choice. And I feel like we can, we can
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  relate on different things and being able to really like not
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  only like the relatability, but also the accountability part,
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  which was big for me, the accountability part, just of of
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  like, you know, if I needed accountability and I said that
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  that's what was, that was what was happening.
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  And I think that was also like very important to me.
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  Oh my gosh, that is so funny. I'm So what podcast episode that
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  was That's hilarious. I'm glad whatever episode that
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  was, whatever past version of me said the thing for you to feel
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  like, yeah, I need this and I'm going to believe in myself and
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  have fun with this in myself. And I was like, of course, of
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  course I'm going to say you're a great enemy as you are.
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  And so I'm so happy that we got to work together.
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  That's that's my favorite part and that we're still working
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  together here too. I love it.
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  I mean, we're still together, guys.
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  All right. So then with that, you kind of
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  like some stuff, but what do you feel like were like the things
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  you were navigating that we worked on together specifically?
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  And maybe there was like something like maybe there were
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  like key moments. You're like, OK, this was a
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  thing that was a little bit challenging.
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  We kind of worked to kind of help you overcome it with some
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  support. Yeah, I would say I'm gonna go
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  back to networking because I feel like I've done 100%, like I
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  don't know, Circle. Success story?
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  I don't. Know, excuse me, but as I was
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  kind of saying, like, I definitely like I hated
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  networking and but like, I don't, it was a word worse than
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  hate, loathe, I don't know, loathe networking.
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  And I was super nervous about it.
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  And so I remember like, you know, one of my three goals was
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  like, I need to network. Like I know I'm at the phase of
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  my life or like me getting my next role or me, like advocating
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  myself or whatever is not going to come from me.
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  Just like applying to a job and so, or just like the people who
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  I was surrounded by, you know, like every day.
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  And so I was like, OK, we need to put on these brick girl pants
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  and you've got to get out there. And I was always very nervous
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  about it. I always was very reluctant to
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  it. So one of the things that Danny
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  and I worked on was just like a plan for networking events.
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  So making sure like whatever you need to do to hype yourself up
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  to go to the event. For me, it was either like at
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  the time was like calling my mom and me and my sisters, my mom
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  have this thing to where like it's like, OK, like I just need
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  some encouragement right now. And like you just kind of have
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  like a 32nd. Like you're fantastic, you're
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  whatever, you're amazing, you're optimistic, you know how to
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  thrive in situations. And like you have this listening
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  kind of like goes like it's kind of like 30 second like hit.
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  And it's like, OK, I'm good. And then we like hang the phone.
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  It's kind of like these like words of encouragement and then
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  like if that's what I needed beforehand, then, you know,
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  doing that and then like wearing something that made me feel
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  confident. So I feel like I've like working
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  and like the fashion retail space and just like all the way
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  I expressed myself, it's in my clothing and I was always coming
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  in like the like one suit that I had or like making sure I was
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  like black or Navy or something like that.
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  It was like wherever, wear whatever you want, like whatever
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  makes you comfortable and makes you feel like you're in your
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  skin and like do that. And then we also talked about
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  just having like like a couple of things to like say or like a
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  couple of things like questions to ask so that there was like
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  something to kind of bring up. And so also having like
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  preparedness of being like, OK, like walking up to somebody and
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  like, you know, not kind of like I'm Jasmine and kind of leaving
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  it there. Be like, you know, like I'm
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  Jasmine, like I do this. What about you?
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  Which sounds crazy, just like normal conversation, but like
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  y'all, what I'm telling you that was not happening.
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  I would be like, OK, and so, you know, there's that bit and just
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  like like being prepared going into it and then being there and
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  being like having a goal of like number of people to talk to.
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  And then because of the fact I would be wearing bright green or
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  orange or whatever, figured out that that works for people to
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  come up to me rather than me going up to people.
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  So I was definitely coming in networking events where I feel
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  like everybody else is like in some type of like, see whatever.
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  And I'm like, here's hot pink and I'm going to wear this.
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  And so having those like tips really helping me like kind of
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  like, I'm definitely more personally let me check it off.
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  So I was like, OK, like I did this like I had myself up.
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  I like put on a little makeup. I like, you know, went to this.
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  I made sure that I was like not standing on a wall, making sure
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  that I like, you know, off the bat, like found somebody to kind
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  of be like, OK, we're going to talk.
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  And so, you know, having those things like really helped me to
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  be able to like do, do these events.
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  And yeah, now I'm the ambassador of a networking group.
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  So full circle. Within like a year, I feel like
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  I had so much confidence and like being able to like actually
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  go out there and like do these things to where like now I'm on
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  the flip side of like trying to like foster community and
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  networking. So full full circle.
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  Full circle. It completely is amazing because
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  now you're the ambassador for a city that has, I think you said,
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  300 members. Yeah, around that, yeah.
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  Yeah, around that or something like that.
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  And so Jasmine is putting on networking events essentially
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  every single month, bring people together.
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  So she used the glue. So that's that's pretty awesome.
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  The other thing I was curious about, because I know you'd
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  mentioned it before, it was the idea of like having these like
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  direct conversations or getting clarity through conversations.
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  Do you feel like that is something that you kind of had
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  to like work on over time or do you feel like that's something
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  you had? I'm curious about that one.
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  I would say definitely work on overtime.
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  I, I feel like for me, especially within like work
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  environment and stuff like that, like I don't want to be the
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  person who you don't like. So not to say like I definitely,
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  I wouldn't call myself a people pleaser because I will say what
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  I need to say, but it's probably going to take me a while in
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  order to say it. And so I feel like over the past
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  year and a half, as Danny knows, I've had to have some very
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  difficult conversations to different people within
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  companies and needing to have these really difficult
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  conversations. And so I think from that,
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  there's also the pack of part of being able to like kind of key
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  up those conversations or like talk through those conversations
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  or just like literally have the conversation with somebody else
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  in order to like be like, OK, like work through this.
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  Or, you know, maybe actually don't say that like that might
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  come off a little aggressive or, you know, ways to put things
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  better or ways to navigate certain conversations.
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  I think for me was very helpful because I think in the past, I
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  might have gone about a conversation to where I will
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  have gotten super long winded and have not gotten to the
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  point. And now 30 minutes in, we've had
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  a whole conversation about your new dog.
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  And I just kept going. I didn't bring up the actual
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  point of talking about a promotion or talking about, hey,
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  I actually can't be on this project or, you know, being able
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  to like just like advocate for myself.
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  And so I feel like I had a good job of like, you know, bringing
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  up, bring up conversations that need to happen.
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  So in a time to execute them and like have them that I would
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  honestly talk the person like 3 times forever, like got out what
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  I wanted. And so one shorting that
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  timeline just like have the conversation, but also having
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  like know that you have like somebody in your corner to be
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  like, yeah, like you got this, like whatever.
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  And then following up with like, I think the one, like one of the
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  things, many things I love about Danny is that if you want
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  accountability, she's gonna give accountability.
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  If you need want follow up, you want encouragement, she's gonna
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  do that. So after these conversations, I
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  would get like a message, like, okay, like how did it go?
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  Like send me a voice message, Like did you have the
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  conversation? Did you say the things that you
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  needed to say or what have you? And like being able to like work
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  through that was super helpful because I think it's one of
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  those things to where kind of going into this was not wanting
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  to be such with the community like alone.
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  And so kind of like not only Danny being there, but also the
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  other women within the community.
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  Like you got this and you're like, yeah, I got this.
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  So you probably have this support system around you and
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  even though it's like one of those things like never with
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  these women in person, you still feel like bonded to them, like
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  you're going through this together.
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  Like, okay, we're going through these things.
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  So yeah, I definitely, I think I honestly answered the question,
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  but then I kind of went on something else.
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  No, you're good. You're all good.
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  You're all good. Yeah.
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  I think like a big thing I always think about is that being
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  direct does not mean that you're difficult.
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  You can be detracting. Get clarity from that and have
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  the conversation. And so for you, I remember there
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  was like this, there was one of these meetings that was like a
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  really big thing that you were going to have.
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  And you're like, OK, these are the points that I have.
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  And I was like, these are all great points.
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  Let's like narrow it down to the top three and you're like, OK,
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  that's good advice because I want to make sure that I'm like
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  the things that I have like X amount of minutes to have this
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  conversation. I'm like, yeah, that makes
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  sense, I think. At that time, I think I had like
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  a page of notes like I think I had like a page.
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  I was like, OK, so here's my page and a half of all things to
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  bring up and you're like, I feel like this can be combined.
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  I was like, these are all great notes, but also I want to make
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  sure they read them. They hear what you have to say.
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  And so we're gonna, we're gonna cut it back.
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  But it was, it was really good. He was, it was very, very, very
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  good. I'm also like, I was like
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  laughing, blushing, smiling. What you're saying with
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  accountability, Cuz whenever I do these client interviews,
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  that's the one thing that I hear that I don't even think I knew
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  about myself. People are like, you keep up the
• 18:51
  cattle. I'm like, OK, so I'm glad
• 18:53
  that's, that's super, super helpful.
• 18:55
  Well, then I'm curious because I feel like you've already talked
• 18:58
  about some like big moments. There's the moment of you
• 19:02
  getting promoted at your current or like at your previous company
• 19:06
  and then getting your new job. I don't want to like give all
• 19:08
  the moments away, but like you can either expand on those or
• 19:12
  there's anything else that's like a highlight for you.
• 19:13
  Obviously you talked about going from like no networking to like
• 19:15
  the queen of networking. But yeah, any like big moments
• 19:18
  for your any big shifts from what you said already?
• 19:23
  Yeah. So I can talk about like the
• 19:27
  like potion part of it. So where I was at my company
• 19:33
  kind of felt a little undefined and I knew that I could bring
• 19:36
  more to the table. I had had experience, a breadth
• 19:40
  of experience and things around the e-commerce world and I was
• 19:44
  like, I know I can bring more to the table.
• 19:46
  And so I had been advocating for myself for a promotion, but I
• 19:51
  will say probably not in like the I don't, I don't want to say
• 19:56
  right way. I don't think there's
• 19:57
  necessarily right or wrong way necessarily, but in a way that
• 20:00
  was like not effective and probably wasn't doing it to the
• 20:03
  right people or getting in front of the right people, front of
• 20:05
  the number of people and what have you and realizing that I
• 20:08
  also needed to. Within the company, which we had
• 20:12
  talked about quite a bit, like advocating for yourself and
• 20:14
  being present and visible to the people outside of like your
• 20:18
  team. And so like I know on a personal
• 20:21
  level, it's like, oh, I'm like I'm from this person and
• 20:23
  whatever, but from like a business perspective, like no, I
• 20:25
  need you to know what I do. So we're if you're in the room
• 20:28
  that like my name comes up, I need to keep my name in
• 20:32
  everybody's mouth. So like that point of like, like
• 20:35
  people need to know who I was and what I brought to the table.
• 20:38
  And I feel like I definitely was like, I was like, Oh yeah,
• 20:42
  there's a bright personality in the office and all that kind of
• 20:45
  stuff. But didn't translate over into
• 20:47
  like, I knew that people knew that I worked hard and that I
• 20:51
  did great work. But from the perspective of, you
• 20:55
  know, maybe I was always speaking up in meetings or maybe
• 20:57
  I wasn't always like putting myself out there and then
• 21:01
  actively doing that. And I will say a little bit of
• 21:03
  also like improv did help with that because I feel like I was
• 21:06
  so in my head to where the point I was kind of like, I'm just
• 21:08
  going to say it. And then here we are.
• 21:11
  And so kind of going through that.
• 21:14
  But then also with like, Danny's help, really kind of laying that
• 21:17
  out of, you know, me, I feel like one day I was like, you
• 21:21
  know, something, I'm going to like, go for this promotion and
• 21:25
  I'm going to tell them exactly why I need to be here, exactly
• 21:28
  what I want, exactly what needs to happen, exactly what I want
• 21:32
  to own and go into that headstrong and be like, OK,
• 21:35
  like, here's where I am. Because I feel like before, like
• 21:38
  I was going into it and I don't know if necessary for work
• 21:43
  weren't listening or, you know, wasn't getting to the people it
• 21:46
  needed to be. But I'd actually been trying to
• 21:50
  advocate for myself to get promotion for a year.
• 21:52
  And so it was one of those things to where it was like, I
• 21:56
  know where I want to be. I know that I really want this
• 22:02
  promotion. How do we, how do we work
• 22:04
  through that and kind of get there?
• 22:05
  And I will say like it was one of those things just like,
• 22:09
  again, having fun in your corner and kind of backing up on all of
• 22:14
  those things, but also like just instilling the confidence to be
• 22:18
  like, you can have these difficult conversations.
• 22:20
  It's OK. Because where somebody can say
• 22:22
  is no. And if it's no and it contains
• 22:24
  to be a no, then we think we move on to the next thing.
• 22:27
  We we work on what that looks like next.
• 22:29
  And so I think like without Dana, I would have been like,
• 22:32
  well, I tried again and maybe it didn't happen and maybe it did.
• 22:36
  But like, I'm just going to be here and I'm just going to be in
• 22:40
  my head about it and be like, all right, fifth time was not
• 22:42
  the charm to whereas with Danny it was more like, OK, like if
• 22:48
  this doesn't happen, then like we already know next steps.
• 22:50
  We already know what's going to happen next.
• 22:52
  We already know like we already have this planned out where if
• 22:55
  this happens, where we're going this if this happens and this is
• 22:57
  going to happen. And so like coming out of these
• 22:59
  conversations and then being like, OK, like feeling more
• 23:04
  confident myself, but also coming back and be like, yeah, I
• 23:06
  did it. I had this conversation with,
• 23:08
  well, like here may have been like some sticking points, but
• 23:11
  you know, like this is what I'm, this is on my side, what I'm
• 23:13
  willing to, you know, like compromise on.
• 23:16
  And this is my like hardline and things like that.
• 23:18
  So I would say that was very helpful.
• 23:23
  And at the end of the day, I did end up getting promoted, which
• 23:25
  was great. And you know, after advocating
• 23:30
  for myself and things like that. And I feel like the beginning
• 23:32
  part, even though day and I were working together at this point
• 23:34
  had like a year, I wasn't, I, I think there's some parts I was
• 23:38
  like, I was kind of like telling her that I was like, yeah, I'm
• 23:39
  going to try this again. And I finally was just like, OK,
• 23:42
  like I thought I was embarrassed.
• 23:43
  I was like, Oh my God, I'm going to again.
• 23:46
  And I feel you're like, there's nothing to be embarrassed about.
• 23:48
  Like, like there's, you know, like, and I think it's like that
• 23:51
  stigma of like breaking it down, like it's okay to fail.
• 23:54
  It's okay to work through things because it's not really failure,
• 23:58
  just working through it. And that's perfectly okay.
• 24:00
  And as a recovering perfectionist, so working on
• 24:05
  that bit. But like, for me, it was just
• 24:08
  like, it would just hit so hard. And then it would just be like,
• 24:11
  oh, like there's, it's just me. And like, I'm just going to, I
• 24:15
  was going well on the corner by myself to where it was like we
• 24:18
  come out of these conversations. I'd be like, Oh my gosh, like
• 24:20
  you always let me get it out. I'm like, what did you, what did
• 24:23
  you learn from that? Like did you had the
• 24:24
  conversation? You brought everything you need
• 24:26
  to bring up and now you just wait.
• 24:29
  And I'm like, Oh yeah, that is what happens next, isn't it?
• 24:33
  Like, that's OK. And I think you're really big on
• 24:36
  like, rewarding yourself for the things that you're doing, which
• 24:40
  I was because, right. Because I'd always be like, what
• 24:42
  are you going to do to treat yourself?
• 24:44
  And I'd be like, I don't know, I'm going to watch TV.
• 24:45
  Like, no, like, like if that's where you're going to treat
• 24:48
  yourself, sure. But maybe like, leave the
• 24:50
  apartment, you know, walk or like go get like a sweet treat
• 24:54
  or go get a coffee then whatever coffee or what have you.
• 24:57
  Like ever you want to like treat yourself because every little
• 25:02
  step is still a step forward and it's still an accomplishment.
• 25:06
  So for me, it's like I always needed the big thing to happen
• 25:09
  in order to like reward myself towards like I would go to
• 25:12
  network event. I'd like Danny, I talked to one
• 25:15
  person like go get yourself a copy.
• 25:16
  Like go to yourself. Like you did that from zero to
• 25:19
  1. Like that's an accomplishment of
• 25:20
  like I walked in the door or like I set up the meeting with
• 25:24
  this person or to have, or like I did like a double skip level
• 25:28
  meeting and whatever. And I had like points ready.
• 25:32
  And so, you know, going into that and like I, you know, even
• 25:36
  from like applying to jobs, I was kind of like, you know,
• 25:39
  you're going to have to, it's going to be, it's some things
• 25:41
  may be uncomfortable, but it's going to be OK so.
• 25:49
  That was a big one, but it's going to be OK.
• 25:52
  I mean, so many things from even the part of like the promotion,
• 25:58
  the promotion planning and us talking about that and taking it
• 26:01
  from different approaches and like who to involve and who to
• 26:04
  have conversations with. It was I'm always like in the in
• 26:07
  the camp, which we always talk about.
• 26:08
  I'm like, I'd rather you just like go into it head on and find
• 26:12
  out what the answer is from the person so you can move on to the
• 26:15
  next thing of like either way, it's just like data.
• 26:18
  It's just feedback. They either say yes or they say
• 26:20
  no or they this is the things that you need.
• 26:21
  And then you have that information to inform you of
• 26:23
  like how you want to move to the next thing, which I think just
• 26:27
  helps us like not try to play the scenarios out in our mind
• 26:30
  and get stuck being in the same exact place, right?
• 26:32
  You're not going to change anything with the same
• 26:35
  information. You have to get new information.
• 26:36
  And sometimes it's like just scary to ask and to receive it,
• 26:39
  but to realize that it's actually not going to be scary
• 26:42
  because whenever you get it, then you're like, OK, now I can
• 26:45
  like move on with my life and like figure out what to do.
• 26:47
  Like maybe I'm saying, maybe I'm not like it's, it's all good.
• 26:50
  And so I think that part definitely comes true.
• 26:53
  And I am into the reward system. So like for like networking, I'd
• 26:55
  be like, go, go take your, take yourself out to go do something
• 26:58
  because I think everyone forgets like you just it's super
• 27:02
  important to like for everyone to remember, like to think about
• 27:05
  is that we don't think we've achieved something until we've
• 27:07
  ultimately hit the goal. And like, that is just like so
• 27:10
  unfair to ourselves because I was saying this the other day,
• 27:13
  it's like you can go into coaching and say, OK, I want to
• 27:17
  get a new job or I want to get a promotion.
• 27:18
  And so the tactical things that you're doing is like having
• 27:21
  conversations, networking, getting your resume ready, like
• 27:24
  applying, like all that stuff. But we completely forget that
• 27:28
  throughout the time for that we're doing it.
• 27:29
  We're also working all of the fears, nervousness,
• 27:33
  insecurities, all the things that pop up in our minds that
• 27:36
  have been wired that way the entire time you've existed.
• 27:39
  And so we're also saying like, hey, like maybe that thoughts a
• 27:42
  little bit, it's unhelpful, like maybe we should start to work to
• 27:44
  rewire it so we can help support you take action of the things.
• 27:47
  And so that's the thing that comes up is that someone will be
• 27:49
  like, I, I keep trying to do the things and it's not working or
• 27:52
  like, I'm too scared to do the thing.
• 27:54
  So it doesn't mean it's about the thing or like necessarily
• 27:57
  have to like change the strategy or change the thing.
• 27:59
  It's actually like 1 like an emotion or a feeling or a fear
• 28:04
  that we have to like sit and, and work with.
• 28:06
  That also comes into like the timeline of the things that
• 28:09
  you're doing. So I think that's why I was
• 28:10
  like, no, we have to reward all the things that are moving you
• 28:13
  towards it because we're like rewiring these things for you
• 28:15
  ultimately in the long run, which is going to be super,
• 28:17
  super helpful of like building your confidence, being able to
• 28:20
  build yourself trust, like being like, wait, I can do the thing.
• 28:23
  And that's going to teach yourself that like, oh, like
• 28:25
  when things get scary, this is how I can approach them
• 28:27
  differently next time. I can like move towards them
• 28:29
  versus try to like hide or avoid run away from them.
• 28:33
  Yeah, I definitely agree with that.
• 28:34
  And I think one of the other things from that is like, I've
• 28:37
  definitely taken that on to my own leadership.
• 28:40
  And so I've had direct reports, you know, during this time and
• 28:44
  everything like that. And I've had them before.
• 28:47
  But I think one of the things is that I have definitely taken
• 28:53
  more notice into just celebrating the small things,
• 28:56
  which I think anybody who's about a team with me could say.
• 28:58
  So I was like, oh, like, you know, we just did this.
• 29:01
  Like no, we just did this and that was great.
• 29:05
  And we need to celebrate that the fact like this happened
• 29:08
  because I feel like, you know, so many things are just like
• 29:11
  long term plans or long term projects or, you know, you're
• 29:14
  planning, you know, especially like in the fashion industry,
• 29:18
  you're, you're, you start planning for what's going to
• 29:20
  happen on the side or marketing, whatever, so far in advance.
• 29:23
  By the time it happens, you're like, huh, it's done.
• 29:26
  And it's like, no, like it's done.
• 29:29
  Like we went through the last six, 7-8 months planning this
• 29:32
  entire thing out, you know, mocking it up, making sure that
• 29:36
  it would look beautiful, working with these different like, you
• 29:38
  know, 6 different teams make this work and it happened.
• 29:42
  That's like, but along the way there things to just we got
• 29:47
  through this new pitch to back. People liked it, couple of
• 29:50
  changes, but 90% of it we're good.
• 29:52
  We just got to fix 10%. That's amazing.
• 29:54
  Like, you know, other teams had to pitch back the entire thing
• 29:57
  again, like we're doing good. Like, you know, those things
• 29:59
  along the way, which I think I've also gotten, you know, it's
• 30:03
  still that into like the way that, you know, I lead in the
• 30:06
  way that I try to approach like my teams and making sure that,
• 30:09
  you know, it's like this positive environment and
• 30:11
  experience and being manager and develop people, which I also
• 30:14
  think I've taken from you to like, you know, wanting to be,
• 30:18
  you know, the best manager that I can be.
• 30:21
  And I think they're like us, like our development, right?
• 30:25
  Like, you know, you working with me on my development that I've
• 30:27
  also been like, OK, I've taken some things and being like, OK,
• 30:30
  like actually I should work this my own leadership style and
• 30:33
  working this into people's development and things like that
• 30:36
  and making sure that they don't feel stuck.
• 30:37
  And if they do feel stuck, they can come to me because he built
• 30:40
  this trust, excuse me, that we built this trust.
• 30:45
  And so I've definitely also taken that as well, which I
• 30:48
  think is amazing to be able to be like, OK, like these this,
• 30:52
  this helped or this helped. And how can I kind of also
• 30:55
  instill those things to make sure that I'm also a good
• 30:58
  manager, so. Yeah, I mean, I mean, it takes a
• 31:01
  lot of bricks to build a house. And so it's like you have to
• 31:04
  celebrate each one of those as they come.
• 31:06
  And I was going to ask you that question of like, how do you
• 31:08
  feel like your leadership style has evolved?
• 31:10
  But you kind of already answered that.
• 31:12
  And so the question that I also want to say is like, so when you
• 31:15
  got your promotion at your past company and then you got into
• 31:18
  your new role, like what, what was like the feelings or
• 31:20
  thoughts going into your new role?
• 31:21
  And then we can kind of like I'll, I'll leave you be, I'll
• 31:23
  let you get back-to-back to your day, which I know is like going
• 31:26
  to start. So I think thoughts going in, so
• 31:33
  there was like the one thing of like I just did get promoted.
• 31:36
  And so I know that as I just said, like it was a big hurdle
• 31:42
  and trying to have these conversations and then also, you
• 31:46
  know, going into this like new role also that's not inside of
• 31:53
  the like, you know, fashion retail space.
• 31:57
  And like that was a change as well.
• 32:00
  So like just off the bat, like industry different, needing to
• 32:03
  think about things differently. And also like kind of going into
• 32:09
  the people that I worked with were great and amazing and we
• 32:15
  were close and we knew how we all worked together.
• 32:18
  We knew, you know, somebody was having a bad day.
• 32:21
  We knew, you know, just leave them alone.
• 32:23
  Like they'll, they'll still do the thing.
• 32:24
  Just leave them alone or like where people needed support and
• 32:28
  you know, being able to also just have like candid
• 32:31
  conversations or whatever. Like we were close, we were
• 32:34
  comfortable and everything like that.
• 32:35
  So so leaving that was definitely one of those things
• 32:39
  to where I, you know, go through the motions.
• 32:41
  Like I was sad, like I but I was the most happy to have this like
• 32:45
  have this new role also sad. So I was like, I'm leaving this
• 32:48
  team. That's really great.
• 32:50
  But knowing that it was time, excuse me, knowing that it was
• 32:55
  time. And I feel like it's like a mix
• 32:59
  of emotions when that happens, you know, a mix of emotions
• 33:01
  because I've gotten promoted and then a few months later I got
• 33:05
  this new role and definitely just kind of like going back and
• 33:11
  forth inside of my brain because, you know, it's OK to
• 33:15
  feel so many things at once. And I feel like that's where I
• 33:17
  was because I also was nervous for starting the new job because
• 33:21
  obviously I don't know these people.
• 33:23
  These people don't know me. You interviewed me, but you
• 33:25
  don't know everything that I, I bring to the table or anything
• 33:29
  like that. So I was like, these people
• 33:30
  don't know me. These people know me so well.
• 33:32
  I've been, it's come for a while.
• 33:33
  I was like, I know all these people.
• 33:35
  And so just kind of having that part, but then also like the
• 33:38
  role itself and being like, OK, like there's new aspects to
• 33:41
  this. Like, you know, like I know what
• 33:44
  I'm doing here, will I know what I'm doing at this new role?
• 33:47
  Will I, you know, kind of bounce that back.
• 33:49
  And I think one thing Danny was like, of course you can like,
• 33:52
  duh, like they wouldn't have hired you otherwise.
• 33:55
  Like, like this is where you are and you are great at this and
• 33:58
  you know, you're great at this. And so just like go into it with
• 34:02
  like this, you know, confidence and go into it with like, it's
• 34:05
  OK to be nervous because who wouldn't be nervous if you've
• 34:07
  been somewhere for years and then going to this new space.
• 34:10
  And so I think it was like kind of like also working through
• 34:13
  those emotions and transparently the process for the new job went
• 34:17
  very fast. And so I think, you know, from
• 34:21
  the perspective of no other hiring things that have happened
• 34:24
  in the past, you're like, OK, I've been interviewing for 3-4
• 34:28
  months, like, is this going to happen?
• 34:30
  Whatever. And this was very, very quick, I
• 34:33
  think it was, which I do applaud because I think more companies
• 34:37
  should should go and go and get it done.
• 34:40
  I think it in total from first reach to like hiring, I think it
• 34:46
  may have been 30 days, maybe 35. And so it was kind of like
• 34:51
  feeling like I need to like wrap it up or, you know, like kind of
• 34:55
  like anticipating, like, you know, you know, kind of like the
• 34:57
  slow leave down or whatever, anything like that, which is
• 35:00
  kind of like, OK, like goodbye, but like, you know, whatever.
• 35:06
  But it is also an interesting fun fact.
• 35:08
  This is the first job that I've gotten where I'm in the same
• 35:10
  city and the same state, honestly.
• 35:13
  So also that part of like leaving this job, but also
• 35:16
  knowing that like I made had some really good relationships
• 35:21
  and didn't leave in a negative way.
• 35:26
  And so, you know, having those, still having those relationships
• 35:29
  and still being able to like still talk to people, some of
• 35:32
  them are like my really good friends and stuff like that.
• 35:34
  And knowing that that is still going to exist even through this
• 35:39
  new job has also been very different than what's happened
• 35:45
  before. So this time I'm just like I'm
• 35:46
  leaving, but very different has before to where I think that
• 35:50
  also kind of helps in like the, you know, transition process and
• 35:53
  stuff like that. And I think coming into the new
• 35:55
  role also just kind of like level setting myself.
• 36:00
  I mean, like, you don't have to do everything off the bat.
• 36:05
  You work here, lay out the plan. You don't have to know
• 36:09
  everything. You don't have to everything off
• 36:10
  the bat put together what you need to know, like what you need
• 36:15
  to know what the, what the important key things are and you
• 36:19
  know, level setting and prioritizing the rest of it.
• 36:22
  Because I am a person who wants to know everything.
• 36:24
  Once we involved everything and was able to, you know, work on
• 36:30
  things and I'm just going to be enthusiastic about these things,
• 36:34
  but needing to, you know, going from someplace.
• 36:37
  But you do know, you do know what you, you know, you do know
• 36:40
  all the insurance and outs and things like that.
• 36:42
  And now getting to go, you know, something new and you need to
• 36:45
  kind of work through that, that I'm not going to know
• 36:48
  everything. I shouldn't know everything.
• 36:50
  I just started so less than two months ago.
• 36:55
  And so it's kind of like you, you shouldn't, but embrace it
• 36:58
  and continue to learn and continue to kind of like work
• 37:02
  through that. Like, you know, some days I'm
• 37:03
  still nervous. Some days I'm still like, Oh my
• 37:06
  gosh, like I'm here and you know, like this is something
• 37:09
  new, but also embracing that. And I, I think it's totally
• 37:14
  fine. Like they're, you don't have to,
• 37:17
  I mean, it's kind of like you don't have to fill 100% all the
• 37:22
  time. That's fine.
• 37:25
  Former perfectionism going on here.
• 37:26
  So like, you know, like 100% of the time and that's OK.
• 37:31
  And needing to know that's OK in this new role because you know,
• 37:36
  I don't know. And it is a new industry.
• 37:38
  So I'm also have look at different competitors, different
• 37:40
  different sets of things where I'm just like, oh, I need to go
• 37:43
  like, you know, go test this out or I need to go like, look at
• 37:46
  this and you know, how does how does how does this, you know,
• 37:49
  are they going to come out with a new bike?
• 37:51
  You know, so very different. Like, oh, what's the color of
• 37:54
  the season like, Oh. My God.
• 37:56
  Very different in that aspect to where it's kind of like, yeah,
• 38:00
  no more colors of the season, but no more trends.
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  But there is still trends within fitness.
• 38:05
  Absolutely. So I just need to, you know, use
• 38:08
  the baseline and go from there, which, you know, I think what
• 38:11
  we've talked about, it's like, you know, the skills are the
• 38:14
  foundation and you can take those skills everywhere.
• 38:18
  And we talked about this where I was like, I don't know if I
• 38:23
  could leave fashion retail. I loved the space and I was
• 38:28
  like, I don't know if I'll ever want to leave, but I would talk
• 38:32
  about it would take like the right opportunity for that to
• 38:35
  happen. And yeah, that's kind of what
• 38:38
  happened. So it's kind of a bit of a a
• 38:40
  ramble there, but. No, it's all.
• 38:42
  Good, I woke up with the coffee now.
• 38:45
  She's ready, she's ready. No, that's all good insight
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  though, because I think the biggest thing is that your
• 38:51
  industry change and I think for all and for all like the merch
• 38:55
  ecommerce girlies that are listening to this anybody, I
• 38:58
  think there's like such a big year to leave merchandising.
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  It's like it's, I can't go like how can I apply these things?
• 39:04
  And I think my biggest thing is always like folks who work in
• 39:07
  merchandising, retail, e-commerce, like you are an
• 39:09
  entrepreneur because you're learning how to market, you're
• 39:11
  learning how to run inventory, you're learning how to sell,
• 39:13
  you're learning how to do all these things.
• 39:14
  And I feel like I don't know what it is in the water that
• 39:17
  they're kind of like not allowing us to see that.
• 39:19
  But you have such a strong sense that's more than average.
• 39:23
  I'm going to say other roles. So there's so much that you can
• 39:26
  bring to anything else. And so with the industry shift,
• 39:28
  I think it was like very nerve wracking.
• 39:29
  Like, can I do this? And I was like, no, I have seen
• 39:31
  first hand like based off the skills and the things that
• 39:34
  you've learned and you know that it is possible.
• 39:36
  And so it is scary. And so it's funny because I feel
• 39:38
  like you're 1 of you being in the, the group program, the pit
• 39:42
  of promotion community was about like you getting this internal
• 39:45
  promotion. Like you were saying, like, I
• 39:46
  didn't want to at first. I wanted to, you know, I just
• 39:49
  didn't know how to navigate thing.
• 39:50
  I want to go for it again. And then when we did, I was
• 39:52
  like, you're allowed to do that, fine.
• 39:55
  And then it that came to be, which is great.
• 39:57
  And then like a few times, like whatever, a few months later,
• 40:01
  you getting into this new role and going into a new industry.
• 40:03
  So it's just like a really mark of now for like year 2, our
• 40:08
  conversations are different now. Our conversations about like you
• 40:11
  are new in a role, you're new in an industry and you don't have
• 40:13
  to do everything. Like how do we plan out, how you
• 40:15
  build that out for yourself when you're in a new role?
• 40:17
  And so that's like what that support looks like now.
• 40:19
  So I appreciate you so much for sharing all of this and.
• 40:23
  So the last thing I'll ask you as we wrap up is like if someone
• 40:26
  is considering or thinking about coaching, like what would you
• 40:29
  say to them? Like what would what like advice
• 40:31
  or insight would you give them? Yeah, I think off the bat and
• 40:37
  this, I don't know, maybe directly, I was like just do it.
• 40:40
  Just do it. Have the call, have the have the
• 40:42
  intro call. I think you don't know and you
• 40:45
  don't know what you don't know. And so I think for me, it's like
• 40:48
  I knew that I wanted a career coach.
• 40:50
  Like I was like, this is the next step.
• 40:52
  I can't do this by myself. I tried.
• 40:55
  I was like, this is I'm I'm going around in circles and
• 40:57
  spinning, but I think it's like have the intro call.
• 41:00
  And if that means, you know, multiple people, you have to,
• 41:05
  you know, have intro calls, whatever, to find the person
• 41:07
  that works for you. I think it's like one of those
• 41:08
  things like kind of like finding a therapist, Like you're going
• 41:11
  to be talking to this person every single week for like, you
• 41:14
  know, a year or more. And so you need to be able to
• 41:18
  have that connection and, you know, and being able to find the
• 41:24
  person that fits for you. And then I would also say like
• 41:31
  going into it like I think for me, like when we talked about
• 41:35
  goals initially, like that was the part that kind of stuck.
• 41:37
  And I was like, I know that I want to do this in like 10 years
• 41:40
  and like that. But I think I was just kind of
• 41:42
  like even from the first calls, like, OK, let's break that down.
• 41:47
  Like how do we get there? And so I think it's one of those
• 41:50
  things like you don't have to have your goals defined going
• 41:53
  into career coaching, like maybe broadly or like I want to do
• 41:57
  this or I feel this, I might have went into it just being
• 41:59
  like, I feel stuck and these this is what I think I want to
• 42:03
  do. But being able to like work on
• 42:06
  those goals and define them. Like you don't have to know what
• 42:09
  that necessarily goal is off the bat or knowing, you know,
• 42:13
  there's a reason why you you sought out career coaching.
• 42:18
  So or something idea that you've had.
• 42:20
  And I would just say like, you know, maybe if the like Danny
• 42:24
  has like the podcast and they don't have like a LinkedIn
• 42:27
  series and things like that, like even like looking at the
• 42:30
  resources that they have off of the bat, Like, and if that's
• 42:34
  somebody who you would want to work with or they like, you
• 42:38
  know, are talking about conversations or you're like,
• 42:40
  yeah, like that, that resonates with me and kind of like
• 42:44
  starting and going from there. And so I would definitely say
• 42:49
  that. And yeah, I think just like off
• 42:53
  the bat, kind of like that, that beginning part can be difficult
• 42:57
  to even be like, yeah, I need guidance through this.
• 43:01
  And yeah, just like you can guide us through it.
• 43:06
  So yeah, I would say that and I would say it's it's honestly
• 43:12
  like one of the best decisions that I've made like and being
• 43:16
  able to like work with Danny and being able to really just like
• 43:20
  one, have somebody there has me advocate.
• 43:23
  And Danny has so many like things that you can kind of like
• 43:27
  self work through, work through together and like different like
• 43:30
  exercises and things like that to where I was like, no, I
• 43:34
  should actually write this down and like things will go back in
• 43:36
  reference. And so I think that you know,
• 43:39
  kind of like also like coaching style is important.
• 43:43
  And so like, you know, having that also aligned.
• 43:47
  And so, yeah, I think that and I think from those initial
• 43:51
  conversation or conversations like you'll know pretty, you'll
• 43:55
  know pretty quickly. And yeah, I think that's what I
• 43:59
  have on that bit. But I say just do it.
• 44:02
  Just go for it, start it, do it, start the process and it's OK if
• 44:08
  it's not right now. I think that's the other thing
• 44:11
  is like, just because you had these conversations doesn't mean
• 44:14
  that like tomorrow I, you know, we need to start this, you know,
• 44:18
  I think things, you know, over time, like you're like, OK, I
• 44:21
  have these conversations, but this isn't the right time.
• 44:24
  Or I had these conversations. Maybe I need 3 months or six
• 44:26
  months or I'm in the middle of something really big at work and
• 44:28
  I won't be able to like dedicate any time or something like that
• 44:31
  or carve it out or whatever. Because it is it.
• 44:33
  I I will say it was work like it was like I there's like you just
• 44:37
  just like have your career coaching time set on your
• 44:39
  calendar and I think yeah, meaning that actually blocked
• 44:44
  times they're like, I didn't do it and they're.
• 44:47
  Like. Yeah, I was like, I didn't do
• 44:50
  it, but I was like, OK, now I need to set like time or
• 44:52
  whatever. And I think working through that
• 44:53
  with somebody is like really helpful.
• 44:55
  So I say, you know, whether it's the right time or not, just have
• 44:58
  those conversations and then you can come back to it.
• 45:01
  Yeah, that's all really, really good advice.
• 45:04
  And I completely agree. It's not like one person is the
• 45:08
  perfect person for coaching. And so you should definitely
• 45:11
  like see what resources they have available, get a feel for
• 45:14
  them. Like they have whatever, e-mail,
• 45:17
  newsletter, podcast, workshop, like just get an idea for who
• 45:20
  they are and then like with them and see how that kind of sits
• 45:23
  and resonates. And just knowing that like just
• 45:24
  because you have an intro call doesn't mean you have to commit
• 45:27
  to it. You just get to meet the person
• 45:28
  and get an idea for it. And I think that part is really
• 45:30
  important because it kind of like gives you more like
• 45:34
  feedback or data or information to help you decide what decision
• 45:37
  you want to do. And so it kind of just is like
• 45:40
  that step forward to, to making change and working towards what
• 45:43
  it is you want to work towards versus like staying in like the
• 45:46
  same, especially just to feeling like we're in the stuckness.
• 45:48
  So, Oh my gosh, Jasmine, thank you.
• 45:50
  So, so many, so many beautiful, amazing things in here.
• 45:54
  And it's always a joy. So I really appreciate having
• 45:56
  you and thank you so much. Is there anything else you want
• 45:59
  to share before I close this up? Not really.
• 46:04
  I feel like I said a lot, but no, it was really great to come
• 46:08
  on today and I really appreciate it.
• 46:10
  And it was funny because I feel like after like the approach in
• 46:13
  the job, I was like, I was like, I feel like this is a podcast
• 46:15
  episode and now it's coming to fruition.
• 46:19
  So which has been really great. And yeah, that's pretty much all
• 46:24
  it. And yeah, appreciate like all
• 46:27
  the work we've done together and I'm in the second year of the
• 46:29
  program and it's been great. And just like meeting, you know,
• 46:32
  new women. And it really is like our little
• 46:36
  like community. And yeah, that's, that's really
• 46:40
  all I got. Pennsylvania, you know, thank
• 46:43
  you so much. So thank you everyone for
• 46:45
  listening and for getting to hear Jasmine's story.
• 46:48
  If you have any questions or have any thoughts or just want
• 46:51
  to explore more what it's like to work together, you can go to
• 46:53
  mywebsite@dannytan.com. That's DANITA n.com and learn
• 46:59
  more. But I will be here and thank you
• 47:02
  so much.