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Normally Podcast: The Comeback, the Coverage, and the Cross · Normally

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  Speaker 1: Hey, it's our back on normally the show with normalish
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  Speaker 1: takes for when the news gets weird.
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  Speaker 2: I am Mary Catherine HM and.
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  Speaker 3: I am Carol Markowitz.
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  Speaker 2: Beg Catherine.
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  Speaker 3: We are both in pink today, and you know, I
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  Speaker 3: think that pink is super your color.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. I did lipstick to match. I'm just I'm
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  Speaker 2: going all the way.
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  Speaker 3: I love it, Girly.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like pink, but pink likes me, so here
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  Speaker 2: we are.
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  Speaker 3: It's unfortunate for you. I'm a redhead who isn't supposed
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  Speaker 3: to wear pink, but I don't care. I love pink,
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  Speaker 3: and I don't care. Who knows it.
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  Speaker 2: You're like sixteen candles in it?
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  Speaker 3: Up?
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  Speaker 2: Is it sixteen candles? Or is another one where she
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  Speaker 2: wears pink?
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  Speaker 3: Mother pretty in pink?
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  Speaker 2: Oh dumb, that would be the one.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think I've seen that one. Honestly, I saw
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  Speaker 3: sixteen candles though.
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting old folks. All right.
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  Speaker 3: So we are a hundred days into this administration. How's
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  Speaker 3: that going for you?
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  Speaker 1: Uh?
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's a mixed bag.
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  Speaker 1: I would say that a lot of the executive orders
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  Speaker 1: to things, I am a huge fan of that. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sort of astounded by the swiftness of it. I think
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  Speaker 1: that Trump somewhat counterintuitively, has hurt himself by solving the
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  Speaker 1: border so quickly, because he kind of took that off
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  Speaker 1: the plate. He took that off of the front page
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  Speaker 1: of the news. And then you get to the more
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  Speaker 1: sticky deportation issue, which a lot of people are still
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  Speaker 1: in favor of, but can be not as clean a storyline,
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  Speaker 1: although we all want it to be because there's plenty
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  Speaker 1: of people who are eminently deportable. And then you've got
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  Speaker 1: the trade stuff, which I still am not a fan of,
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  Speaker 1: and you got to ink some deals, my dude. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: at one hundred days, we need to start putting pen
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  Speaker 1: to paper, because this is the job you gave yourself.
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  Speaker 3: His financial people, or I should guess, i'd say his
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  Speaker 3: economic people all sound like him at this point. They're like,
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  Speaker 3: great deals are coming, just yes, trust us. Yeah, they're
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  Speaker 3: going to be amazing, the biggest deals you ever saw.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll see. I'm still wait and see on that.
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  Speaker 3: I think that it's not my preference, but I, like
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  Speaker 3: we've talked about on the show, I've been wrong before.
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  Speaker 3: I'm willing to wait it out and see. I would say.
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  Speaker 3: What I really don't like in the last few days
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  Speaker 3: is the interviews that he's given to outlets that openly
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  Speaker 3: hate him. I have a real problem with that. I
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  Speaker 3: don't like how much he needs to be liked. This
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  Speaker 3: makes me crazy. I like so many things about the
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  Speaker 3: Trump administration this go around, but this needs to change
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  Speaker 3: in my opinion. And the main thing for me was
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  Speaker 3: two reporters. I think it was Atlantic who called him up.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, he canceled an interview with them because
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  Speaker 3: they were like, they said things he didn't like. I
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  Speaker 3: didn't even have a problem with that, okay. And then
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  Speaker 3: they called him from an unknown number. He answered and
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  Speaker 3: proceeded to give them an interview. Yes, I don't answer numbers.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. The president should not be answering numbers
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't know.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: They like caught him up at Bedminster at a good moment,
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  Speaker 1: had a discussion, and that discussion went so well that
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  Speaker 1: he was like, come to the Oval office.
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  Speaker 2: And bring along Jeffrey Goldberg. What.
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Goldberg is the editor of The Atlantic who wrote
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  Speaker 1: the signal story, which again he got that one correct.
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  Speaker 1: He had the receipts on that one. This other story
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  Speaker 1: he's most famous for is the Suckers and Losers, which
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  Speaker 1: I still to deemed to be alive. There's nothing there,
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  Speaker 1: there's no one ever that that's ever been attributed to.
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  Speaker 2: But he brings him into the Oval office. And then
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  Speaker 2: my favorite part of all of this is after this.
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  Speaker 1: Long cover story that The Atlantic has, which, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: covers how Trump mounted this comeback. Now, this is another
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  Speaker 1: one of those stories like Biden's dementia, that you and
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  Speaker 1: I were kind of onto.
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  Speaker 2: A little earlier.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we go.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure I need to read a full thirty
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  Speaker 1: pages on the comeback from the Atlanta because they're kind
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  Speaker 1: of getting to the story pretty late at the at
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  Speaker 1: some point in.
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  Speaker 3: It April twenty twenty five, Yeah, it's a little late.
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  Speaker 1: At some point in the story, Shaer Michael Scherer. The
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  Speaker 1: reporter Ashley Parker is the other one, formerly of the
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  Speaker 1: Washington Post. He says he got a butt dial from
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  Speaker 1: the President. I GE's who in the morning, right like
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  Speaker 1: one thirty after a UFC fight. He says, he says,
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  Speaker 1: mister President, you mean to call me? And he's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: did I do that?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like no, we cannot have him.
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  Speaker 1: Butt dialing Atlantic reporters right Air Force one, post.
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  Speaker 3: UFC fight, knows what they're gonna hear. He doesn't drink,
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  Speaker 3: this is true, makes it all a lot safer. Even
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  Speaker 3: if you're a politician who had two glasses of wine
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  Speaker 3: and then you butt dial a reporter, there's potential for
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  Speaker 3: things that that you might not want them to hear. Yes, Trump,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he has anything he doesn't want people
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  Speaker 3: to hear. He wants people to hear all of.
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  Speaker 1: It well, and that's the upside of him. And from
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  Speaker 1: a journal this point of view, I love that he's accessible.
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  Speaker 1: It's so much better right than Biden and the Biden team.
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  Speaker 2: But there should be some guardrails here we need.
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  Speaker 1: As Sharer put it, they have imperfect control over his
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  Speaker 1: personal devices.
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  Speaker 3: I like that line.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, can we play a little bit from
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  Speaker 1: his one hundred days rally, which I believe was in Michigan. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and of course a big enthusiastic crowd. And I just
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  Speaker 1: like he talks about policy. Of course, he talked for
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  Speaker 1: a long time. But this is so Trump. He's there
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  Speaker 1: in front of his people, and what does he do.
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  Speaker 1: He spends a minute on Scott Jennings here it is.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 4: We have a man here that I don't know, but
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  Speaker 4: he's defending me all the time on CNN, and he
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  Speaker 4: defends me really well. But he can't go too far
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  Speaker 4: because if he goes too far, he'll get fired. I said,
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  Speaker 4: you're amazing. You can take it right to the edge.
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  Speaker 4: And he really does a good job. He's not allowed
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  Speaker 4: to go any further. He would be off, you know,
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  Speaker 4: if he really went totally crazy what you'd like to do.
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  Speaker 3: But I think he's terrific.
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  Speaker 4: Scott Jennings, where's Scott?
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  Speaker 3: Where are you? Scott?
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  Speaker 4: Came herea Scott? This guy really I've watched it for years.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, but he likes Trump. Come here, Scott, Oh, CNN,
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  Speaker 4: this is the.
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  Speaker 3: End of Scott.
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  Speaker 2: Don't who cares.
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  Speaker 4: Don't worry.
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  Speaker 3: We'll take care of you.
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  Speaker 2: Scott.
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  Speaker 4: Scott Jennings really great.
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  Speaker 3: I love Scott Jennings. I think he is just fantastic,
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  Speaker 3: so great.
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  Speaker 1: And actually Trump is I love that Trump just understands
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  Speaker 1: TV so well. By the way, this was an hour
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  Speaker 1: into this speech, by the way, because he had already
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  Speaker 1: gone all the way through Special Report and that was
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  Speaker 1: during Ingram Show. So more than an hour into the speech,
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  Speaker 1: he brings Scott up, and he's exactly right about Scott.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, he pushes it just far enough, right right,
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  Speaker 2: go too far?
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, bringing him on stage with me
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  Speaker 1: might be the moment that it goes too far, but
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  Speaker 1: it's over for I did see Scott on camera on
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  Speaker 1: CNN from the rally, so I think they they're good
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  Speaker 1: for the moment. But yes, just a classic Trump move
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  Speaker 1: to spend his hundred day speech in part talking about
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  Speaker 1: a cable pundit.
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  Speaker 3: He's so charming. He really he has that gift. And
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  Speaker 3: I don't know who comes after him, but I look
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  Speaker 3: out into a sea of people who don't have that.
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  Speaker 2: It's very, very tough to top all that. He also,
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  Speaker 2: you know who doesn't have it?
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  Speaker 1: And Kamala Harris, Oh yeah, you could have said anyone,
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  Speaker 1: but who really.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't have it?
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  Speaker 1: Really doesn't have it, really really doesn't have it. Kamala
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  Speaker 1: Harris is going to be back at it this week.
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  Speaker 1: She's putting herself out there. She's been mostly out of
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  Speaker 1: the public eye, but as Yahoo reports, that will change Wednesday.
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  Speaker 1: She's delivering the keynote address at the Emerged twentieth anniversary
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  Speaker 1: gala at the Palace Hotel in San Francisco, honoring the
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  Speaker 1: group's role in electing more Democratic women in California politics.
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  Speaker 1: She's expected to call out Trump over his policies and
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  Speaker 1: how she believes they are failing Americans.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, the comeback tour, no one asked for no and.
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  Speaker 1: Wait for the quote, are you ready? There is a
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  Speaker 1: clamoring for her voice right now. Set a Harris senior
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  Speaker 1: advisor who was granted anonymity to speak candidly, why do.
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  Speaker 2: You need anonymity to give this quote?
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  Speaker 1: And then she says no one can better prosecute the
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  Speaker 1: case while inspiring a call to action than the former
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  Speaker 1: vice president fact check.
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  Speaker 2: If that were true, she would be president, right.
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  Speaker 3: I think lots and lots of people can do a
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  Speaker 3: better job.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, so many.
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  Speaker 3: It's tough being Kamala Harris. It's tough being a Democratic
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  Speaker 3: Party leader right now, because what are you going to do?
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  Speaker 3: AOC and Bernie are drawing these crowds. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: that they can win a general election. Maybe AOC can.
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  Speaker 3: I think that it's a giant risk for Democrats to
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  Speaker 3: run someone like her. She might run away with it.
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  Speaker 3: She might become the it thing and get all the support.
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  Speaker 3: And she's young and photogenik and she has the thing
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  Speaker 3: right that politicians need. But they stopped Bernie in twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty because they didn't think he could win the general.
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  Speaker 3: I just can't see where they go now, and so
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  Speaker 3: they don't have that many people to put out there.
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  Speaker 3: And whimber actually had an She was at an event
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  Speaker 3: with Trump in the last few days in Michigan and
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  Speaker 3: got so much abuse for it online and lots of
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  Speaker 3: Democrats online saying, well, that's it for her. So you
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  Speaker 3: have to walk this kind of really tight, crazy line
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  Speaker 3: to be a Democratic leader. Right now, no one is
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  Speaker 3: clamoring for Kamala Harris, don't get the wrong, but their
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  Speaker 3: bench is so small and so thin that she's kind
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  Speaker 3: of their only game in town right now.
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  Speaker 1: And also, the thing about American politics is what you
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  Speaker 1: need is name id and audacity, and she has one
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent name I d Clearly she thinks highly of herself,
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  Speaker 1: too highly enough to have run for president, even though
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  Speaker 1: the you know, the goods really aren't there, right, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think for sure, Yeah, her name idea is going
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  Speaker 1: to is going to keep her at the top of
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  Speaker 1: people's lists. And the thing about that is it can
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  Speaker 1: snowball if you get too far in the process. And
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  Speaker 1: no one has clearly ousted her from that top spot, right,
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  Speaker 1: it could be that she's the person.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we weren't going to get into twenty twenty eight
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  Speaker 3: in this segment, but Pete Boodha Judge had a really
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  Speaker 3: great interview recently on a podcast. I'm you know, I'm
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  Speaker 3: terrible with names. But the comedian Andrew somebody, he's like
• 10:37
  Speaker 3: everywhere right now, forgot his name.
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  Speaker 2: I can see his face and Andrew shall I actually
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  Speaker 2: unpopular opinion.
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  Speaker 1: Have always kind of enjoyed hearing Pete Boota Judge talk.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's good at talk. This is the thing about
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  Speaker 2: all of them though, right is.
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  Speaker 1: Like Gavin Newsom, pretty interesting to listen to on a podcast,
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  Speaker 1: Pete Boota Judge occasionally sounds like he's thought about policy before.
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  Speaker 2: Then the rubber hits the road and they have to
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  Speaker 2: do their actual job.
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  Speaker 1: And this is where the ezra clines of the world
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  Speaker 1: are like, maybe y'all should do it, And I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I've been saying.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe they should do the job of governing.
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  Speaker 1: And I think Trump Trump is leaving people openings because
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  Speaker 1: you know, his approvals going down on the economy, which
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  Speaker 1: is going to be the number one issue for so
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  Speaker 1: many people.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, but these people aren't attacking.
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  Speaker 2: Him on the economy. They're attacking him on deportations.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I'm kicking out violent illegal immigrants, not even the
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  Speaker 3: regular kind of illegal immigrants, violent illegal immigrants.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a mistake. We'll be right back on.
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  Speaker 1: Normally, they get all their wisdom from the college campuses,
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  Speaker 1: where we have some news out of Harvard, don't we, Carol.
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  Speaker 3: We do. Harvard released their antisemitic Sorry, Harvard released their
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  Speaker 3: antisemitism task Force report, and wouldn't you know it, there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of antisemitism at all Harvard. Yeah, some little tidbits.
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  Speaker 3: There were quotes in the piece like Jewish students saying,
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  Speaker 3: I feel lucky, I don't look Jewish Harvard. Many Jewish
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  Speaker 3: Harvard affiliates were routinely asked to clarify they were quote
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  Speaker 3: one of the good ones by denouncing the state of
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  Speaker 3: Israel and renouncing any attachment to it, people saying things
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  Speaker 3: like I never even did pro Israel things I just existed,
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  Speaker 3: and that I was bullied and ostracized and that kind
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  Speaker 3: of thing. You know. I think people knew it was bad.
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  Speaker 3: I just there's this sense that, like, how bad is
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  Speaker 3: it really? No one is getting beat up, no one
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  Speaker 3: is getting it's not super violent, Like why is this
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  Speaker 3: a problem? Well, it's a problem because absolutely no other
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  Speaker 3: group would be asked to endure this. And I could
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  Speaker 3: tell you from my own personal world, there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of conversations about where our Jewish kids can go to
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  Speaker 3: college and have it be a relatively normal experience, not
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  Speaker 3: looking for anything, you know, extra, just an experience where
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  Speaker 3: they go to class and everybody leaves them alone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.
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  Speaker 1: I think just the fact that it's not surprising to
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  Speaker 1: basically anyone that being visibly Jewish on an IVY League
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  Speaker 1: campus would be problematic to the point of danger. Like's right,
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  Speaker 1: that sentence is not surprising. You don't need a commission,
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  Speaker 1: you don't need a study to figure that out. I
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  Speaker 1: guess some people are probably in denial about it, but like,
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  Speaker 1: that is not a controversial sentence, And that's crazy to me.
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  Speaker 1: These are American elite universities where if you were to
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  Speaker 1: walk across campus and a Yamaica it would go badly
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  Speaker 1: for you.
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  Speaker 2: So we all kind of we just know it. It's
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  Speaker 2: an open secret, right right.
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  Speaker 3: Right, And the Trump administration is actually trying to do
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  Speaker 3: something about it. And I mean nobody worse than my
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  Speaker 3: liberal Jews because they are saying, oh, he doesn't really
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  Speaker 3: care about it into Semitism, he just wants to harm
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  Speaker 3: these colleges. Even if that were true, he still would
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  Speaker 3: be doing something about into Semitism off these campuses. But
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it's true. I think he actually does
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  Speaker 3: care about this. I think he is appalled at this
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  Speaker 3: kind of thing. So there was a story of a
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  Speaker 3: progressive Jewish student who was deeply critical of Israel's action
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  Speaker 3: in Gaza. He was admitted to Harvard Medical School and
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  Speaker 3: did not attend because pro Palestine students discouraged them from
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  Speaker 3: attending by telling them Zionists not welcome here during the
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  Speaker 3: admitted students event. If you're listening to this and you're
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: confused about what Zionism means or what Zionist means, it
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  Speaker 3: literally just means Israel should exist. Israel exists and should exist.
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  Speaker 3: That makes most people a Zionist. The reason this person
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  Speaker 3: was targeted is not because they were a Zionist. It's
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: because they were Jewish. Lots of people are Zionists walking
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  Speaker 3: around in their everyday lives and are not targeted at
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  Speaker 3: this kind of abuse.
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  Speaker 1: So I just want to note another double standard along
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  Speaker 1: these lines that popped up for me this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Is it Hassan Piker. Are you familiar with this guy?
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  Speaker 3: I'm not. I am now because it turns out he
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  Speaker 3: represents right wing attractiveness with a left wing brain.
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  Speaker 2: So he's so. He's a very famous twitch streamer.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't realize until I read this glowing profile of
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  Speaker 1: him in the New York Times that he is jink
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  Speaker 1: Yuger's nephew and got his start on the Young Turks.
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  Speaker 1: So like, I'm not slagging, I'm not doubting that he
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  Speaker 1: does a lot of work, but this he admits himself.
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  Speaker 1: He's a sort of a nepo baby here. He's a
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  Speaker 1: good looking guy. He's tall, he's strong, he lifts weights,
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  Speaker 1: He's into some dude stuff, video games, sports in an
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  Speaker 1: authentic way. He has millions of streaming followers. I've watched
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  Speaker 1: him on Twitch in the past. It's good to get
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  Speaker 1: an idea of what the opposition is talking about. But
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  Speaker 1: the headline on this New York Times piece, Hassan Piker
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  Speaker 1: a progressive mind in a maga body.
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  Speaker 3: It's so fault to progress it.
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  Speaker 1: This is such a cell phone like this guy's good
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  Speaker 1: looking and mask that means he's maga.
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  Speaker 2: Like can you imagine how annoyed Hassan.
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  Speaker 1: Piker is that he lifts wit which is a very
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  Speaker 1: normal thing to do, and he got a magabody for it.
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  Speaker 3: Like.
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  Speaker 1: But the point of the deeper point I want to
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  Speaker 1: make is this is his second glowing New York Times
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  Speaker 1: profile in six months. The last one was by Taylor Lorenz.
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  Speaker 1: This is a new one. It's full of nonsense. Both
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  Speaker 1: of the pieces neglect almost entirely his outrageous statements from
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  Speaker 1: the past, because you're allowed to be an edgy, extreme
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  Speaker 1: liberal influencer who says insane stuff in a way that
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  Speaker 1: you are not if you are right laning. So here
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  Speaker 1: he is. He's been in an October seventh atrocity denier.
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  Speaker 1: He's called Jews in bread, he's platformed futies. He said
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: he has no problem with Hesbelah. I've watched these clips.
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  Speaker 1: They're not out of not out of context. There is
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  Speaker 1: one glancing mention he said.
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  Speaker 3: One more thing. He said, it doesn't matter if rapes
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  Speaker 3: occurred on October seventh, it's irrelevant to him.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe really the guy he's also he's also said, I'm
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: just gonna say it, we deserved nine to eleven.
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  Speaker 2: So like I'm just saying, you're a hero.
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  Speaker 1: You and I aren't going to get two glowing New
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: York Times profiles.
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  Speaker 2: And if we ever did get a profile, it would have.
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  Speaker 1: Every single borderline problematic thing we've ever said in.
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  Speaker 3: It, totally.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone this past just to pass.
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  Speaker 1: He loves Palestinians, so it just gets a pass as
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  Speaker 1: they follow him. I will say it's more of the
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: sort of like AOC Bernie, as far left as you
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: can get. He might be into video games, but he
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  Speaker 1: also is into very very far left policy right.
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  Speaker 3: And as long as that doesn't win, let them have
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  Speaker 3: their fun with it. We're going to take a short
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  Speaker 3: break and come right back with normally. So I don't
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: know if you've heard Mary Catherine, but people are wearing
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: crosses and it's a whole thing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I saw this.
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  Speaker 1: I saw a screenshot of this New York Times headline,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought it was fake. I was like, this
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: is a Babylon Bee like a photo shop or something. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it is this a hot accessory at the intersection of
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: faith and culture, seen on influencers, pop stars and White
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  Speaker 1: House staff. Cross necklaces are popping up everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: Pop stars are wearing crosses. Now Madonna's looking around like
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: what now this is?
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  Speaker 1: They are so so deeply out of touch like it
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  Speaker 1: actually it actually makes me wonder maybe Biden did trick them.
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  Speaker 3: That is really good, Like maybe you did miss it,
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  Speaker 3: if you missed.
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  Speaker 1: That people wear across jewelry for this long. So yeah,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: it talks about Chapel Ron's across, Sabrina Carpenter's worn across.
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  Speaker 1: Then it goes into the real reason for the story,
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  Speaker 1: which is that Pambondi and Caroline Lovett and maybe it's problematic,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's problematic. Yes, Indeed, white authoritarianism or white nationalism
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  Speaker 1: is mentioned in this college and this piece of course,
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  Speaker 1: because you can't you can't not talk about faith based
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  Speaker 1: white nationalism while you're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Totally normal cross jewelry.
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  Speaker 3: Right right, poor Chapel Rohn, is you a white nationalist name?
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  Speaker 1: I know?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Well, they get to throw in some lefties because apparently
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Hakim Jeffrey's war across on that some protests.
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  Speaker 2: They did recently, But like the people they're just like.
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  Speaker 1: Quoting influencers are like, yeah, I wear a cross because,
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  Speaker 1: like I believe in Jesus and I feel like it's
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  Speaker 1: a nice way to communicate to other people that we
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: might have shared values.
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  Speaker 2: Like love it wowsah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I did enjoy the The person they
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: had comment as a as a an expert, because you
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: need an expert. Okay, Lucy Collins, you ready for these creds.
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  Speaker 1: An assistant professor at the Fashion Institute of Technology in
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  Speaker 1: New York who teaches courses in philosophy, fashion theory, and ethics,
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  Speaker 1: said while cross necklaces are often worn apolitically, their appearance
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: in the political sphere in the United States has introduced
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: implications of partisan politics.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's like when Mara Gay at the New York
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Times was offended by all the American flags, Like sometimes
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: they just say crazy things and they don't realize how
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: crazy it is.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't they just didn't know how crazy it was.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I enjoy this. The cross, a.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Symbol most associated with the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, first
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: emerged during the Roman Empire, when it was an instrument
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: of mass torture, said Robert Covolo, the theologian associate pastor
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: at Christ Church, Sierra Madre. And then it says, referencing
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: its usual its original use, Mister Covolo said the cross
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: was a quote symbol of the Roman Empire asserting its
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: power with impunity. Over centuries, the cross has evolved. I
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: like that they have to start with first of all,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: like we don't know this. Second of all, they're like,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: let's mention the torture and the empire as part of
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: the story. And then it's like, by the way, it does.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Just mean Christianity, by the.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Way, maybe maybe that's what people mean. I as a Jew,
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: love seeing crosses on people. I love seeing people represent
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: their values. I am all about it. And it just
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: looks cool. It just looks cool. So where are those crosses? People?
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I agree with Star David, we're both we both rock
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: them depending on the day.
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  Speaker 2: And I just I truly thought it was fake.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: I wish it was fake.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Like there wasn't one person in the newsroom who was like, hmm,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure this is a story, right.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: This doesn't seem like a story at all.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Actually, But the.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Point of the story is to be like Caroline Lovett
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  Speaker 1: is muddying the Christianity waters with her christian.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: She's respect and Pam Bondi with their crosses. Yeah, come on,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: just be normal, guys.
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  Speaker 2: And we wonder why you don't recover everything else sanely.
• 21:53
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• 22:06
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