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UK Column News - 19th May 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. Today is Monday the nineteenth and May twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty five, just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK Column News.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Brian Gerrish. I've been Rubin with me
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Speaker 1: in the studio and we're also joined by Diane Rasmus
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Speaker 1: and mccaddie from the North of England. Well, we've had
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Speaker 1: a challenging day here in the UK Column and finally
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Speaker 1: the technology is doing what it should do, so we're
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Speaker 1: delighted to bring you the news and I'll just say
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Speaker 1: straight off that as we've become as we've come live
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Speaker 1: with you today. Of course, the reports are coming in
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Speaker 1: of Keir Starmer's successful negotiations with the EU, and I'm
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Speaker 1: sure Mike will cover these in detail on Wednesday, but
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Speaker 1: just as a snapshot, there's been a deal eat on
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Speaker 1: fishing which is going to allow the EU to stay
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Speaker 1: fishing UK waters until twenty thirty eight, so that's obviously
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Speaker 1: a wind for the European Union. There's going to be
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Speaker 1: some slight adjustments on checks on farming food products going
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Speaker 1: to the EU, so that smoothed the path for Keir
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Speaker 1: Starmer to be back with his friends in the European Union.
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Speaker 1: But The critical thing which the whole UK Column team
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Speaker 1: have been watching is what was going to happen in
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Speaker 1: relation to defense and security, and well, no surprise, a
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Speaker 1: security a new security Pact has been agreed. We haven't
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Speaker 1: got the details of that yet, but apparently Kiir Starmer
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Speaker 1: is very excited because it's going to give UK firms
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Speaker 1: access to one hundred and fifty billion Defense and Security
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Speaker 1: loan fund. So we can't do any of this stuff
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Speaker 1: ourselves as the UK as a nation state. Luckily we
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Speaker 1: can continue to feed off EU funding. There's been a
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Speaker 1: deal done over carbon and that will affect That will
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Speaker 1: effectively put a joint EU UK plan in place for
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Speaker 1: carbon taxes. And the last thing is that passports. They've
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Speaker 1: been working on that to improve access with eGates for
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Speaker 1: those traveling to and from the European Union and a
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Speaker 1: lot of people will be very excited that there's also
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Speaker 1: they're also making it a little easier for pets to travel.
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Speaker 1: So I'm not sure what your reaction on that has been,
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Speaker 1: but for me at least, it's EU military unification, which
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Speaker 1: is the key thing now. I know this has been
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Speaker 1: discussed by the UK Column team over the last few days,
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Speaker 1: but let's put on screen the key slide here, which
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Speaker 1: is where people need to go if you're going to
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Speaker 1: see the chronology for the rise of the EU military
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Speaker 1: unification plan. And it's only the UK column that's had
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Speaker 1: that detail on it. Now, before I knew what was
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Speaker 1: actually going to appear as a result of the joint
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Speaker 1: Starmer EU talks, this was my propose first slide for today,
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Speaker 1: so I think I got it pretty right. I called
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Speaker 1: it the fishy smell of UK EU Military because of course,
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Speaker 1: everything else in this deal, to me at least, seems
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Speaker 1: to be a spokescreen to detract people away from this
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Speaker 1: critical issue of unification between the EU and Britain in
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Speaker 1: defense and security matters. Now, everything else I believe is
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Speaker 1: a sideshow. So to concentrate on phishing. That's a high
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Speaker 1: profile and very emotional subject for many people, like rubber
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Speaker 1: boats crossing the channel, so in into the frame comes fishing,
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Speaker 1: and then of course we've made it easier for pets
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Speaker 1: to travel, so a lot of smoke screen there. But
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Speaker 1: the critical thing is what's happening behind the scenes with
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Speaker 1: this military unification. Now I'm just going to move on
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Speaker 1: a bit, because of course the other thing that's been
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Speaker 1: happening at the moment is that we've seen the reports
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Speaker 1: of the arson attempts around Keir Starmer's property and a
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Speaker 1: car that he sold a while ago. Well, we now
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Speaker 1: know that one of the perpetrators is actually Ukrainian and
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Speaker 1: I'm going to say ben to me, at least, it
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Speaker 1: seems that there are huge questions to be asked, because
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Speaker 1: if we have now allowed six hundred thousand Ukrainians into
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Speaker 1: the UK with virtually no security checks, what are we
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Speaker 1: dealing with? Is this a disgruntled person. Some people are
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Speaker 1: suggesting that one of the individuals was a rent boy,
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Speaker 1: whatever that may mean. But is this somebody who feels
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Speaker 1: that if they've been wronged, they're going to carry out
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Speaker 1: criminal action in the form of arson or is this
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Speaker 1: an individual perhaps controlled by the Europi, sorry by the
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Speaker 1: Ukrainian state, who has been meddling in high level British
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Speaker 1: political spheres.
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Speaker 2: We have no way of knowing. He certainly knew where
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Speaker 2: Starmer lived.
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Speaker 1: It's quite remarkable that, isn't it. He knew where he lived,
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Speaker 1: and it would appear that he knew a car that
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Speaker 1: Starmer had owned and recently sold. But who is this man?
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Speaker 1: And why should we trust him simply because he's a
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Speaker 1: Ukrainian And if we can't trust him, what do we
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Speaker 1: say to Starmer's government that, of course, is continuing to
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Speaker 1: allow people in from Eastern Europe without any appropriate checks.
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Speaker 1: I think this is a very dangerous situation. Now alongside Starmer,
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Speaker 1: let's have a look at this. Basically, if I just
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Speaker 1: popped this one up on screen, a sky report here,
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Speaker 1: fairly low key. But what are we talking about. Well,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about a UK Reaper drone that was allowed
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Speaker 1: to kill an individual in Leppo. And see whether we
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Speaker 1: can bring in a bit more detail here. So this
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Speaker 1: was the key headline, a UK conducted fatal drone strike
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Speaker 1: confirmed for the first time since Starmer became Prime Minister.
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Speaker 1: And I've just taken a little bit of the text
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Speaker 1: because I want to discuss part of this. The UK
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Speaker 1: mission to combat ISIS is known as Operation Shader. There
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Speaker 1: was something that Sir Keir Starmer said to continue when
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Speaker 1: he became Prime minister. However, the operational decisions are made
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Speaker 1: by the military and Number ten would not have signed
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Speaker 1: off on the strike. Now I find this particularly interesting
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to look to you again, Ben, because
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Speaker 1: the military. Sorry, if Keir Starmer wasn't to where what
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Speaker 1: was going on here now or we actually conducting our
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Speaker 1: overseas affairs? Who was actually making the decision that an
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Speaker 1: individual was going to be killed on foreign territory some
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Speaker 1: would say murdered, And I think there's a lot to
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Speaker 1: be said about that. Who was making the decisions? How
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Speaker 1: was it that Starmer was in no way involved? And
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Speaker 1: was this an attack as part of well what was it?
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Speaker 1: We're not a war anywhere that I'm aware of, So
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Speaker 1: what actually was this?
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Speaker 2: And is summary is he accountable for? As prime minister?
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Speaker 1: Is he accountable? A summary ex execution? Is how this
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Speaker 1: seems to me? Now, remember what has taken place? That
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Speaker 1: drone has to have the full level of support around it,
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Speaker 1: it has to be launched and flown, and then a
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Speaker 1: decision was made that a missile from that drone was
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Speaker 1: going to kill an individual claimed to be Desh But
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Speaker 1: we have no evidence, we have no information in the
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Speaker 1: public domain about what was happening. Now, let's also while
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Speaker 1: we think about that, have a look at this headline
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Speaker 1: from the Jerusalem Post from a day ago. It says
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Speaker 1: that Syrian Defense Minister General Kazara met with an official
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Speaker 1: British delegation led by quote political advisor Charles Smith. Well,
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Speaker 1: I was very curious about this. They posted another picture
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Speaker 1: of this man, and I'm going to ask the question,
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Speaker 1: who is exactly the political advisor Charles Smith. I can't
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Speaker 1: find any easy information on this man or who he
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Speaker 1: works for. But now apparently we're not conducting overseas negotiation
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Speaker 1: with accountable diplomats. We've simply got a unknown political adviser.
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Speaker 1: So if there's anybody out there who knows this man
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Speaker 1: and what he's about, I'd be very grateful and I'd
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Speaker 1: like to know now. This event was also repeated in
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Speaker 1: the met Line, another Middle East newspaper, and my point
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Speaker 1: here is that virtually nothing has been reported in UK,
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Speaker 1: so to find out what's going on overseas with an
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Speaker 1: unknown political advisor, we have to look at foreign news
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Speaker 1: outlets in order to glean any information at all. So
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Speaker 1: the public wasn't told any of this. In a move
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Speaker 1: unprecedented since the outbreak of the Syrian or, Syrian Defense
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Speaker 1: Minister met Thursday with an official British delegation led by
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Speaker 1: political advisor Charles Smith to explore ways of supporting the
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Speaker 1: reconstruction of the Syrian Army and enhancing stability in the
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Speaker 1: country in the broader region. And the Ministry of Interior
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Speaker 1: said in the statement that the delegation discussed avenues of
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Speaker 1: support for the Syrian military with the Defense Minister and
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Speaker 1: other related matters and if I just carry on their
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Speaker 1: apologies for the slight over lap of the text, the
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Speaker 1: meeting addressed opportunities for technical and military cooperation and mechanisms
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Speaker 1: for developing the army structure to meet modern challenges. Both
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Speaker 1: sides emphasize the importance of continued dialogue in facing mutual threats,
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Speaker 1: particularly terrorism and border security, and a source in the
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Speaker 1: Ministry at Defense I believe that's the Syrian Ministry at
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Speaker 1: Defense told Media Line that such meetings may pave the
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Speaker 1: way for broader agreements involving humanitarian security and potentially economic cooperation.
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Speaker 1: With worsening living conditions across Syria, the country is in
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Speaker 1: urgent need of external support to rehabilitate its core institutions,
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Speaker 1: starting with the military now. On Friday, Patrick Henningson put
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Speaker 1: out some truly appalling video of summary executions inside Syria
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Speaker 1: and quite rightly pointed out that we now had terrorists
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Speaker 1: running the country, running Syria, and we have unaccountable British
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Speaker 1: political advisors in negotiations. Meanwhile the British public is kept
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Speaker 1: in the dark. Think what that means. And if we
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Speaker 1: want to understand how Keir Starmer sees himself as this
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Speaker 1: goes on, let's just have a look at this little
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Speaker 1: video clip from his Twitter page. There is no dialogue,
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Speaker 1: only music, but let's watch it. Well, that was completely unedited,
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Speaker 1: So Keir Starmer thinks he doesn't even need to speak
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Speaker 1: for the wider British public to understand his power and
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Speaker 1: his omniposence. And essentially there he was on the international stage,
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Speaker 1: conducting his business to his entire satisfaction, whilst the public
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Speaker 1: in UK are absolutely kept in the dark. I'm going
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Speaker 1: to say, Tony Blair, dangerous Prime Minister, Keir Starmer absolutely
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Speaker 1: following in his footsteps, and of course the death and
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Speaker 1: carnish carnage continuing across the world. Ben these people are
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Speaker 1: out of control. This isn't democracy, is absolutely not democracy,
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Speaker 1: although of course he's all being done in the name
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Speaker 1: of democracy or liberal democracy. I'd like to reinforce you,
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Speaker 1: which I interpret as meaning we can do whatever we
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Speaker 1: want if enough people go along with it. And that's
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Speaker 1: exactly what you've just described. And that all comes down
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Speaker 1: to two things actually that I'm going to explore today.
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Speaker 1: In this first segment, they're going to look at the narrative,
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Speaker 1: the epistemic narrative, that is the battlefield upon which a
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Speaker 1: lot of this is being fought. And then a bit
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Speaker 1: later in the show, we're going to look at the
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Speaker 1: process of elections, what they call democracy ultimately and how
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Speaker 1: that's also being subverted, interestingly by the same people. And
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Speaker 1: I'm going to come on to Tim Davey, the Director
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Speaker 1: General of the BBC, in a moment, but his ideas
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Speaker 1: are being heavily influenced by these people Demos who we
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Speaker 1: talk about all the time, who are very interested in democracy.
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Speaker 1: They're a champion of people, ideas and democracy. They are
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Speaker 1: absolutely leading the agenda.
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Speaker 2: We talk about these people almost every week, to be
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Speaker 2: honest with you. They're putting out an absolute onslaught of
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Speaker 2: policy documents on basically a weekly basis. They are completely
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Speaker 2: leading the agenda for the labor government. But they've been
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Speaker 2: doing it behind the scenes for about thirty years. Importantly,
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Speaker 2: and I brought this up several times recently. I'm going
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Speaker 2: to keep on doing it because I think it bears scrutiny.
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Speaker 2: They are led by this lady poly Curtis, currently the
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Speaker 2: chief executive former editor at Tortoise. Very keen for you
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Speaker 2: to think that the child sexual abuse, the satanic ritual
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Speaker 2: abuse case in Hampstead back in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen
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Speaker 2: was a hoax. We don't think it was a hoax.
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Speaker 2: We think that the evidence has suggested it was absolutely
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Speaker 2: not that. And the excuse me a bit have lost
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Speaker 2: some stuff. I know hear it is going to come
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Speaker 2: up now there we go. My bad, Sorry about that.
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Speaker 2: We spoke about this report about a month ago. Epistemic
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Speaker 2: Security fortifying the UK's information supply chain to tackle the
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Speaker 2: democratic emergencies is all about narrative reinforcement. A lot of
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Speaker 2: that related to local new newspapers, the local media ecosystem.
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Speaker 2: We talked about the Public Interest News Foundation, which poly
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Speaker 2: Curtis is a trustee of, but it also related to
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Speaker 2: the BBC and she was very excited last week to
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Speaker 2: hear that the epistemic security language was being echoed in
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Speaker 2: a speech that was made by the Director General. He
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Speaker 2: was making the case for journalism in democracy and using
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Speaker 2: the language of epistemic security as set out by Demos,
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Speaker 2: so local journalism, space specific debate and a shared national narrative.
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Speaker 2: We are lucky to have the BBC. I wonder who
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Speaker 2: we is in that context. I don't think the British
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Speaker 2: people are lucky to have the BBC at all. She
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Speaker 2: was referring to this speech. So this was delivered by
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Speaker 2: Tim Davey, Director General of the BBC, at the Lowry
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Speaker 2: Theater in Salford. The BBC a catalyst for building trust
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Speaker 2: will provide a link I suggest going to read it.
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Speaker 2: It gives some fantastic insight into their strategic direction and
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Speaker 2: really what they think about themselves and whether they want
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Speaker 2: to take the institution two over the coming years. So
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Speaker 2: just a few choice quotes for you. We see profound
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Speaker 2: changes in people's trust in the information that they receive,
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Speaker 2: and they're worry that those who have information are not
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Speaker 2: acting in their interests the so called epistemic crisis. There's
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Speaker 2: the Demos language where many feel that there is no
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Speaker 2: agreed backbone of facts upon which to base constructive deliberation. Right,
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Speaker 2: So Demos issue of thought piece and then within months
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Speaker 2: the Director General is directly essentially quoting the language that
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Speaker 2: they're using, and I think you can see very clear
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Speaker 2: interaction there between the ideas that have been put out
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Speaker 2: by these think tanks. These unelected think tanks are operating
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Speaker 2: under the mandate supposed to live democracy or certainly in
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Speaker 2: the name of democracy, but who themselves have never received
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Speaker 2: any kind of democratic scrutiny in using those reports to
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Speaker 2: shape and direct or just public opinion, but actually policy
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Speaker 2: for government in important institutions like the BBC. He goes
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Speaker 2: on to say that the World Economic Forum has singled
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Speaker 2: out disinformation as the biggest short term risk that we
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Speaker 2: face globally. The recent Edelmand Trust Barometer Edelman is a
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Speaker 2: PR firm. It's a partner of the World Economic Forum,
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Speaker 2: that showed a direct relationship between lack of trust and
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Speaker 2: a sense of grievance active distrust, which creates a reinforcing
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Speaker 2: negative spiral that eroads social capital, risking disengagement from communal debate,
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Speaker 2: which basically means that people are checking out. They're not
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Speaker 2: coming to the BBC anymore, they're not going to the
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Speaker 2: mainstream media, they don't trust their politicians, and they are
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Speaker 2: removing themselves from what he calls communal debate, and the
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Speaker 2: BBC cannot have that. It cannot be so they need
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Speaker 2: everyone in. It needs to be inclusive in order for
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Speaker 2: them to be able to continue to progress the agenda
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Speaker 2: that they're pushing forward. Okay, another quote here. So these
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Speaker 2: are his prescriptions ultimately set out the strategic direction of
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Speaker 2: the institution of the BBC over the next few years.
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Speaker 2: So there are five urgent, bold choices that we need
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Speaker 2: to make to directly build trust. All of them not
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Speaker 2: only support our central task of creating outstanding homegrown content
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Speaker 2: and services, but also support the wider challenge of building trust.
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Speaker 2: This is the currency that they're trading in. Number one,
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Speaker 2: the choice for the UK to be a global leader
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Speaker 2: in trusted information, which is laughable.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Ben I did actually start laughing at that,
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Speaker 1: because yes, it's laughable.
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Speaker 3: It is.
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Speaker 2: I mean, look at what we've just looked at in
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Speaker 2: Brian's opening remarks. Number two, the choice to help support
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Speaker 2: our democracy from the grounds up right. They are absolutely
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Speaker 2: dead focused on getting their hands around the political process
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Speaker 2: and managing the population into the position that the BBC
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Speaker 2: and the Establishment want them to be. And that is
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Speaker 2: the BBC's role essentially that he's describing here. Three, the
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Speaker 2: choice to deploy cutting edge technology and AI to help
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Speaker 2: not harm our children and their futures. That sounds slightly terrifying,
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Speaker 2: and I'm going to come back onto that in a moment,
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Speaker 2: because they've got big plans for you and your family.
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Speaker 2: Number four, the choice to maximize growth in our economy
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Speaker 2: by investing in every part of the UK, which essentially,
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Speaker 2: from the BBC's perspective, amounts to creating content production, essentially
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Speaker 2: propaganda facilities in post industrial cities like Manchester and Birmingham.
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Speaker 2: And as we said, this speech was given in Salford
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Speaker 2: up in Manchester, right, So, and that's BBC state funded
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Speaker 2: driving investment into post industrial cities. That's not economic growth, right,
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Speaker 2: That's not what that is. Yeah, this is a total
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Speaker 2: distraction and really nothing that the BBC should be involved
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Speaker 2: in at all. And then finally, the choice to ensure
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Speaker 2: everyone benefits from digital transition, right, and that digital word
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Speaker 2: is absolutely crucial because essentially that's about migrating people to
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Speaker 2: a system that is centrally controlled and algorithmically manipulated by
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Speaker 2: the BBC and the people that are pulling the strings
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Speaker 2: of the corporation just finally a few points about his
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Speaker 2: thoughts on children importantly, so he's saying, imagine if we
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Speaker 2: could provide every single child in the UK with proper
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Speaker 2: training on disinformation. So this is what full facts we're
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Speaker 2: talking about. We covered that a couple of weeks ago,
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Speaker 2: really importantly, and the Pairs Foundation and other philanthropic interests
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Speaker 2: they want the BBC. They want to offer a new
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Speaker 2: BBC Family account for every parent of a young child
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Speaker 2: evolving at key milestones from birth to leaving school, laying
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Speaker 2: the foundations for a lifetime of support from the BBC. Right,
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Speaker 2: so they're wanting you from cradle to grave, essentially want
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Speaker 2: to own your mind. That's exactly what these people are doing,
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Speaker 2: and they're building the technology platform to enable it. And
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Speaker 2: then crucially, in the context of that opening segment, the
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Speaker 2: BBC is a tool of British imperial power and not
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Speaker 2: actually soft power. We know we talk about it as
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Speaker 2: soft power, and he says in his quote the UK
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Speaker 2: is a soft power or should that be a hard
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Speaker 2: power superpower that leads the world in high quality media.
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Speaker 2: Imagine the BBC reaching a billion people weekly. It currently
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Speaker 2: reaches four hundred and fifty million people. Apparently they want
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Speaker 2: to reach a billion people and that's all about promoting
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Speaker 2: the agenda of Starma and demos and the people that
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Speaker 2: control them behind the scenes.
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Speaker 1: Ultimately, Ben, thank you very much for that. And of
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Speaker 1: course the other bit that's happening is the BBC says
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Speaker 1: it's going to be going completely digital. It's talking about
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Speaker 1: closing down broadcast services. So we'll update you on that.
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Speaker 1: With several things happening at once. Diane, welcome, let's bring
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Speaker 1: you in on the news. Well, no children, no child
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Speaker 1: left behind is also another part of Tim Davies's advice.
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Speaker 1: What are what did the BBC? What's the British government
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Speaker 1: feeding us while the walls go on overseas? I think
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Speaker 1: it's something to do with inclusion.
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Speaker 4: Yes, thanks Ryan, Hello Ben, it's great to be here today.
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Speaker 4: I have a little bit I once to cover on
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Speaker 4: the things that were being told for the advancement of
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Speaker 4: the government interest, which of course is corporate interest, which
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Speaker 4: of course goes into basically compromising people who actually do
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Speaker 4: need to be included and are not being included. Over
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Speaker 4: the weekend there was an event in Brighton sponsored by
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Speaker 4: the NHS, but still it was a women's health event.
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Speaker 4: That was meant to be about women's health, the health
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Speaker 4: of actual women, and the policy of this particular event
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Speaker 4: and this group in particular is that it is only
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Speaker 4: for women who, as they say quote, were registered observed
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Speaker 4: female at birth, regardless of current gender identity. And what
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Speaker 4: happened there was someone who decided to attend the event,
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Speaker 4: and let's see what that person did when they were there.
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Speaker 5: Hi, I'm Sarah Savage. I'm a trans woman, and I'm
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Speaker 5: the leader who Transfried Brighton. I've just been arrested for
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Speaker 5: disrupting a meeting of the notoriously hateful group Sister Salmon
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Speaker 5: in Jubie Library here in Brighton. I just finished a
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Speaker 5: speech of defiance to the International Day of Homophobia, Biphobia,
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Speaker 5: and Transphobia, and I was fired up. I was walking
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Speaker 5: home past the library and something went in my head
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Speaker 5: and I knew I could not let it go. So
23:38
Speaker 5: I walked into the library. I found the room where
23:41
Speaker 5: they were having their meeting of the Exclusion of Transphobia,
23:45
Speaker 5: and I hit the fire alarm and everybody had to
23:48
Speaker 5: leave the meeting. All of the turfs had to file
23:51
Speaker 5: out the door while library security grabbed hold of me
23:55
Speaker 5: and pushed me around. The police were called and I
23:59
Speaker 5: was immediately a arrested very soon after they found out
24:03
Speaker 5: that I was staying a protest and they arrested me
24:07
Speaker 5: and they let me go. And I want to send
24:09
Speaker 5: a message to the anti trans, to the transphobics, to
24:13
Speaker 5: the Turfs. I want to tell them that trans people
24:15
Speaker 5: are strong, trans people are fierce with if you wish
24:19
Speaker 5: to remove our rights, we will won't let it go
24:23
Speaker 5: without a fight, without a struggle, without defiance. Trans people
24:27
Speaker 5: are fearless. Trans people are strong, and we will not
24:31
Speaker 5: let this go.
24:36
Speaker 4: So what I would like to say to this gentleman
24:38
Speaker 4: in particular is that Diana of U K. Colum is
24:40
Speaker 4: also fearless, and she is also a woman and was
24:42
Speaker 4: born one and remains one. They have decided this group
24:45
Speaker 4: that he runs called Transpribe Brighton, is that labor MPs
24:49
Speaker 4: are banned so so much for inclusion. If you are
24:52
Speaker 4: a labor MP, in particular Chris Ford and Peter Kyle,
24:55
Speaker 4: which we've been shown here, which is on their website,
24:58
Speaker 4: they are banned from a t being the Transpride Brighton
25:01
Speaker 4: event which is taking place in the nineteenth of July
25:03
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five in case anyone would like to attend,
25:06
Speaker 4: and in particular, their statement said quote, we at transpried
25:09
Speaker 4: Brighton have watched in horror the last couple of years
25:12
Speaker 4: at the politically motivated tax on the healthcare of trans children,
25:15
Speaker 4: even more so as it has intensified under the Labor government.
25:19
Speaker 4: We have taken the logical decision to ban the Labor
25:22
Speaker 4: and Peas from our event. Chris Ward and Peter Kyle
25:24
Speaker 4: did not speak up in defense of trans kids during
25:27
Speaker 4: the December twenty twenty four parliamentary debate. Neither attended Trans
25:30
Speaker 4: Day or Remembrance where we mark the deaths of numerous
25:33
Speaker 4: trans youths this year, and both appear to support the
25:35
Speaker 4: widely discredited and deeply flat cast report which was not
25:39
Speaker 4: as very evidence based trans kids are dying. Yet the
25:43
Speaker 4: National Labor Party has chosen to throw its full support
25:46
Speaker 4: behind the far right culture war so over the weekend
25:50
Speaker 4: because as you said at the beginning of the news Brian,
25:51
Speaker 4: I have recently moved to the north of England, so
25:53
Speaker 4: of course I had to go to Ikea to buy
25:55
Speaker 4: some things for my new house. So what we see
25:58
Speaker 4: here outside of Ikea, who is apparently very concerned about
26:01
Speaker 4: their ESG score and their sustainability, which is all over Ikea,
26:06
Speaker 4: including pronoun badges of the staff that I spoke to.
26:09
Speaker 4: There is a outside of Ikea in Newcastle there is
26:13
Speaker 4: a trance or sorry, I guess that's just a Pride
26:15
Speaker 4: flag next to the UK Union Jack flag, just at
26:20
Speaker 4: the same level of height. Now, in America that would
26:23
Speaker 4: be illegal because the American flag is required to be
26:26
Speaker 4: higher than any other flag, even a state flag, if
26:28
Speaker 4: they are next to each other. Inside of Ikea at
26:31
Speaker 4: the tills there, I took a photo of these Pride
26:34
Speaker 4: bags that are for sale for one pound fifty if
26:37
Speaker 4: you would like to take one home with you. But
26:39
Speaker 4: in the meantime, what's happening here to people who actually
26:42
Speaker 4: do need help. Well, let's say, for example, this woman
26:46
Speaker 4: who posted on x over the weekend that she was
26:49
Speaker 4: not able to get onto a train, any train at
26:51
Speaker 4: Liverpool Street station because the staff at Network Rail collectively
26:55
Speaker 4: refused to deploy a ramp and she was told that
26:58
Speaker 4: she was being rude for being told that he didn't
27:01
Speaker 4: she didn't want the lecture that he was giving her,
27:03
Speaker 4: And so we see here the breakdown of the system
27:05
Speaker 4: once again. People who actually do need help but can't
27:08
Speaker 4: get it for whatever reason. But we also see now
27:12
Speaker 4: again the government distracting us with climate finance and saying
27:15
Speaker 4: that the International Climate Finance UK policy now has gender equality,
27:20
Speaker 4: disability and social inclusion built into it, so that is
27:24
Speaker 4: now guidance, in particular how to label someone if they
27:27
Speaker 4: are identifying by a particular gender, and this applies worldwide,
27:32
Speaker 4: including in developed nations who don't actually follow this agenda,
27:35
Speaker 4: because all the climate finance money, as we've reported previously,
27:38
Speaker 4: is going to people who are in developing countries and
27:42
Speaker 4: they are supposedly the ones receiving the funds. So Brian
27:45
Speaker 4: and Benna, i'd like to get your thoughts on this
27:47
Speaker 4: because it's very disturbing. I think what the governments are
27:51
Speaker 4: doing and what corporations are doing to distract us and
27:54
Speaker 4: the people who actually need help can't get it.
27:58
Speaker 1: Joan, thank you very much. Well for me, it's very easy.
28:01
Speaker 1: This is a calculated agenda which is designed effectively to
28:05
Speaker 1: destroy the minds of our children. And of course we've
28:08
Speaker 1: got it coming in from two angles. We've got it
28:10
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28:14
Speaker 1: including through the Ministry of Education, so it comes straight
28:18
Speaker 1: into the schools. But also and in glove, we've got
28:22
Speaker 1: it with the big corporations and that is absolutely part
28:25
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28:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. I think it's a lot of us to
28:34
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28:36
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28:40
Speaker 1: Chaos in order to destabilize the country to bring in
28:44
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28:47
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28:50
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28:55
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28:58
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33:20
Speaker 1: Then back to democracy, liberal democracy, more liberal democracy, est democracy.
33:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to keep on reinforcing this because it's
33:31
Speaker 2: important for people to understand that liberal democracy does mean
33:34
Speaker 2: we can do whatever we want. If enough people go
33:37
Speaker 2: along with it. And we talked about the narrative earlier,
33:39
Speaker 2: and now we're going to have a look at the
33:41
Speaker 2: actual democratic process itself, which is also being transformed and
33:45
Speaker 2: apparently completely up for grabs. So let's head back to
33:49
Speaker 2: Demos and hear about the Waves program.
33:54
Speaker 6: Our project is called Waves. It is, we believe, the
33:57
Speaker 6: largest trial of digital democracy ever done in the UK.
34:01
Speaker 6: What it aims to do is bring people together to
34:03
Speaker 6: tackle contentious local issues and strength and trust in local government.
34:06
Speaker 7: At the very beginning of Waves, I was inspired by
34:09
Speaker 7: the digital Democrats of Taiwan. They use new technology to
34:13
Speaker 7: find consensus and even very polarized topics, how to use
34:16
Speaker 7: that consensus to turn it into actually new law and regulation.
34:20
Speaker 2: They showed that it could be done.
34:22
Speaker 6: It's going to do this by using new tech and
34:24
Speaker 6: ai to create a process that will make it easier,
34:27
Speaker 6: cheaper and quicker for local governments to involve people in
34:30
Speaker 6: discussions about a specific issue, to find consensus between people
34:33
Speaker 6: and use this to shape new decisions that are going
34:35
Speaker 6: to be made by local government to really improve people's lives.
34:38
Speaker 7: For me, democracy means something beyond elections and beyond referenda.
34:42
Speaker 7: It means actually involving people meaningfully in decisions that really
34:46
Speaker 7: affect and shape their lives.
34:48
Speaker 2: Now, that is easy to say, and it is very very.
34:51
Speaker 7: Hard to do, and it's something that we have to
34:53
Speaker 7: constantly problem solve for, constantly adapt and innovate on in
34:57
Speaker 7: order to recapture what democracy really can do for reaching generation.
35:00
Speaker 6: We're going to trial waves in two local governments over
35:03
Speaker 6: the next eighteen months. Each government is selecting an issue
35:06
Speaker 6: that's important to them and to their public. What we're
35:08
Speaker 6: going to do is use waves to bring people together
35:10
Speaker 6: to work through the challenge. We'll then develop and iterate
35:13
Speaker 6: WAVES through these two trials to see what's possible, and
35:16
Speaker 6: then support dozens of other local councils to learn about
35:18
Speaker 6: the process so they can use it in the coming years.
35:21
Speaker 7: So Waves is about technology, but technology about bringing people
35:24
Speaker 7: together even in polarized and angry debates. But it also
35:28
Speaker 7: means using technology for deliberation decision making, and that is
35:32
Speaker 7: about finding consensus between people, even when that consensus is
35:36
Speaker 7: not immediately obviousmoxy.
35:37
Speaker 6: It means everything to me. It underpins how we function
35:40
Speaker 6: well together as a society. But problem is it's not
35:43
Speaker 6: working for people right now. People are losing trust in
35:45
Speaker 6: politics and political institutions, so we need to radically renew
35:48
Speaker 6: the way democracy has done.
35:56
Speaker 1: So, ben democracy is failing, We're not going to sit
35:59
Speaker 1: back and I think, hang on a minute, why is
36:01
Speaker 1: it failing. We're just going to get on and move
36:04
Speaker 1: it to a technologically based solution. You're not going to
36:09
Speaker 1: actually look at the problem, what's causing the problem, You're
36:12
Speaker 1: just going to move it on to technology.
36:14
Speaker 2: Yes, and let's ignore the fact that thirty years of
36:17
Speaker 2: DEMOS policy initiatives is probably the thing that's making democracy
36:21
Speaker 2: in the country break right, And they talk about using
36:24
Speaker 2: technology to break through contentious issues, you know, like we're
36:28
Speaker 2: going to destroy your country and you don't like it,
36:32
Speaker 2: so we're going to build this AI platform to ram
36:35
Speaker 2: you through this process of transformation that we're going to
36:38
Speaker 2: insist on him. It's just ludicrous and who's behind us?
36:42
Speaker 2: So this was Miriam Levin, director of Participatory Programs at Demos,
36:48
Speaker 2: and she's been on the column before in a supporting role,
36:52
Speaker 2: So regular viewers will remember this image. This is from
36:56
Speaker 2: a Demos event held about eighteen months ago. Now you
36:59
Speaker 2: can see Miria there on the left hand side in
37:01
Speaker 2: the red shoes, sitting alongside Georgia Gould, who was at
37:06
Speaker 2: that point Mayor of Camden. She's now running the Cabinet Office, right,
37:09
Speaker 2: so these women are extraordinarily powerful and influential that you've
37:13
Speaker 2: got to sitting in front of you here, Third in
37:16
Speaker 2: from the left hand side, in the black and blue dress,
37:19
Speaker 2: that's Lisa Whitta from the A Political Foundation, who are
37:22
Speaker 2: currently completely transforming Cabinet Office Central Government on at the
37:27
Speaker 2: behest of Georgia Gold, so that's basically client and partner there.
37:32
Speaker 2: And then Claudia Challis from Democracy Next, who was at
37:35
Speaker 2: this event to talk about new governance models that can
37:40
Speaker 2: help break through deadlocks and give legitimacy to hard decisions
37:43
Speaker 2: that require trade offs. We can to zoom in on
37:45
Speaker 2: that there you go. That basically means our technology will
37:49
Speaker 2: force you to do whatever we want, right, That's what
37:52
Speaker 2: these systems are for. Ultimately, they want to get you
37:56
Speaker 2: to sign up to things that you would never sign
37:57
Speaker 2: up to, and they're going to use systems to help
38:01
Speaker 2: them do that because interestingly, if they actually tried to
38:05
Speaker 2: debate with you around facts and issues, they wouldn't be
38:08
Speaker 2: able to win the argument. And apparently that's our fault
38:13
Speaker 2: for just being intractable and men probably. I'm sure there's
38:16
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of that stuff going on behind the
38:18
Speaker 2: scenes as well, and to kind of counter that, they're
38:21
Speaker 2: going to introduce these new systems and that's all about citizens, assemblies,
38:26
Speaker 2: participatory democracy, none of which is actually particularly democratic, you know.
38:32
Speaker 2: So they'll come out and talk about wanting to defend democracy,
38:34
Speaker 2: but actually what that means is these highly staged, managed,
38:38
Speaker 2: manipulated and controlled basically show elections. These aren't real elections.
38:44
Speaker 2: And if we can just flip that back onto screen quickly,
38:46
Speaker 2: you can see that in the process of deliberation, which
38:50
Speaker 2: goes from the left to the right, the green bit
38:52
Speaker 2: is where all of the artificial intelligence is going to
38:54
Speaker 2: be introduced in order to control the process and ultimately
38:58
Speaker 2: to control the outcomes right to deliver it is the
39:00
Speaker 2: Claudia Chalice and Georgia Gould and Demos and everyone else
39:04
Speaker 2: involved in this thing want. And what does that actually
39:06
Speaker 2: relate to. Well, here's an example. So this came out
39:09
Speaker 2: a couple of days ago. This is the Mimbi majority.
39:12
Speaker 2: So this was actually authored by Miriam Levin. This is
39:15
Speaker 2: a new DEMOS report. It's about unlocking house building with
39:18
Speaker 2: early in representative public participation in planning. So this is
39:22
Speaker 2: about helping the government deliver on its promise to build
39:25
Speaker 2: one point five million new homes in England by twenty
39:28
Speaker 2: twenty nine, which means they need to build a thousand
39:30
Speaker 2: homes a day. I don't think that that's technically possible
39:35
Speaker 2: to do that, certainly not from the position we're in
39:38
Speaker 2: right now. But they seem to think that if they
39:42
Speaker 2: can just get the technology and the decision making and
39:46
Speaker 2: the legislation in place, and they can just magically create
39:49
Speaker 2: all of these new homes bulldozed through planning legislation completely
39:54
Speaker 2: ignored the very valid concerns of huge swayes of the population, right.
39:59
Speaker 2: I mean, it's ultimate what they're looking to do here,
40:02
Speaker 2: and we'll provide a link to this issue. Go and
40:05
Speaker 2: read it. And what they're talking about is they say mimby.
40:08
Speaker 2: So obviously a nimby is not in my backyard. Mimby
40:11
Speaker 2: is maybe in my backyard if dem or skit their
40:15
Speaker 2: hands around me and forced me through one of their processes. Ultimately,
40:20
Speaker 2: and interestingly, in the introduction to the report, they've they've
40:23
Speaker 2: they've brought a new term which is the emergency crisis,
40:27
Speaker 2: which doesn't even relate to anything. This is just crisis,
40:31
Speaker 2: the crisis crisis. Everything. We've got to we've got to
40:33
Speaker 2: change everything because of some poorly defined crisis that we
40:36
Speaker 2: probably have just made up. Actually, to be honest with
40:39
Speaker 2: you ladies, who's behind it. So we've got another bunch
40:45
Speaker 2: of familiar faces, a few sort of niche technology companies
40:48
Speaker 2: on the right hand side, also new local who have
40:50
Speaker 2: spoken about recently. Going to have to bring them back
40:52
Speaker 2: into the discussion over the coming weeks. They're absolutely crucial
40:57
Speaker 2: to what's happening in local government. Demos are obviously there
41:01
Speaker 2: Camden Council, she mentions she's working with two local governments.
41:05
Speaker 2: I'm sure Camden Council is one of them. And obviously
41:08
Speaker 2: Georgia Gould absolutely slap bang in the center of the
41:12
Speaker 2: demos ecosystem. She was at an event last year basically
41:14
Speaker 2: saying as Cabinet Office minister that when the rules at
41:17
Speaker 2: the center of blocking services from delivering for people, we
41:19
Speaker 2: just need to change those rules. Yeah, we can do
41:22
Speaker 2: whatever we want as long as enough people go along
41:24
Speaker 2: with it. Right, you have to understand the mindset with
41:27
Speaker 2: these people. It's all been driven from here. So democracy
41:30
Speaker 2: next is backed by Rockefeller Foundation, Open Society's Foundation, and
41:34
Speaker 2: then the Open Societies Foundation takes us into Daniel Sachs
41:37
Speaker 2: and that whole funding ecosystem of people like this. This
41:40
Speaker 2: is Paul Alacon, who thinks that the world was created
41:42
Speaker 2: for me. There he is, you go a little star
41:45
Speaker 2: up there on the left hand side. And then just finally,
41:48
Speaker 2: who was the last guy in the video? This was
41:50
Speaker 2: Carl Miller. Really old to turn a phrase that he
41:54
Speaker 2: used there he said, and we use that consensus to
41:56
Speaker 2: turn it into actually new law and legislation, which doesn't
42:00
Speaker 2: mean anything. And that made the final cut. So I
42:03
Speaker 2: shout out to think how bad the off cuts were.
42:06
Speaker 2: And he also said that he was inspired by the
42:08
Speaker 2: digital democrats of Taiwan. And at that point we are
42:13
Speaker 2: straight off to crazy town. Let's have a look at this.
42:18
Speaker 8: The most interesting attack. I'm here with Audreyton, the first
42:21
Speaker 8: Digital Minister of Taiwan, and Audrey is responsible for what
42:25
Speaker 8: I think is one of the most profound and important
42:27
Speaker 8: ideas I've heard in ai and it's the notion that
42:30
Speaker 8: there's a vertical race in which lots of powerful companies
42:34
Speaker 8: are building potentially self replicating AI that will bring great
42:39
Speaker 8: prosperity and also potentially great troubles to the world. And
42:42
Speaker 8: then there's a horizontal race, a more open source, smaller
42:47
Speaker 8: communities of people, academics, tinkers, building tools, building ethics, building systems,
42:53
Speaker 8: building explainability in different models that will then be absorbed
42:57
Speaker 8: into the larger models, and that this is the way
43:00
Speaker 8: that will end up with extremely powerful AI that is
43:03
Speaker 8: very good for humanity. And Audrey and I were talking
43:05
Speaker 8: about it today and then Audrey added another thing which
43:09
Speaker 8: I thought was just truly beautiful, which is a prayer
43:12
Speaker 8: that she came up with in twenty sixteen as a
43:14
Speaker 8: job description, but that also still guides her work and
43:17
Speaker 8: her thinking. And so I thought today, Audrey, you could
43:20
Speaker 8: give this prayer to this video series.
43:23
Speaker 9: Definitely.
43:24
Speaker 3: Yeah.
43:24
Speaker 9: When I became the Digital Minister in twenty sixteen in Taiwan,
43:28
Speaker 9: shuwai means bost digital but also plural. So it's kind
43:32
Speaker 9: of wordplay that when we look at the vertical path,
43:35
Speaker 9: which is called the technological singularity, let's think about the
43:39
Speaker 9: horizontal paths of plurality. And so my job description goes
43:44
Speaker 9: like this. When we see the Internet of Things, Let's
43:47
Speaker 9: make it an internet of beings. When we see virtual reality,
43:53
Speaker 9: let's make it a shared reality. When we see machine learning,
43:57
Speaker 9: let's make it collaborative learning. Well we see user experience,
44:02
Speaker 9: let's make it about human experience. And whenever we hear
44:06
Speaker 9: that a singularity is near, let us always remember the
44:10
Speaker 9: plurality is here.
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Speaker 2: I love that so much.
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Speaker 8: Profound and wonderful words from oder tank.
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Speaker 10: Thank you so much, thank you, Yes, thank you lovely
44:27
Speaker 10: I would just like to say about it.
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Speaker 1: Of course, a lot of people listen to that, and
44:32
Speaker 1: their immediate reaction is what utter nonsense? And yes, that
44:36
Speaker 1: may be true. However, these are the people influencing the
44:41
Speaker 1: policy which is doing this immense damage across our world
44:45
Speaker 1: and our lives. So we need to know who the
44:47
Speaker 1: people are. We need to understand the language that they're using,
44:52
Speaker 1: and quite often we need to be able to interpret
44:55
Speaker 1: that language in order to understand what they are really
44:58
Speaker 1: talking about. They are master's credit where it's due at
45:04
Speaker 1: the use of language to hide what they are really doing.
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Speaker 2: And that's the top level. Yeah, those are the people
45:11
Speaker 2: really pulling the streams. And we'll talk much more about
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Speaker 2: those two in the coming weeks.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Ben, Thank you very much. Now I can see
45:18
Speaker 1: where're going to have a very packed UK called Extra Diane.
45:22
Speaker 1: Let's bring you back and the subject is back on
45:27
Speaker 1: the story of those elusive chem trails. But also you've
45:31
Speaker 1: got some interesting comment about what the BBC has and
45:34
Speaker 1: has not done.
45:37
Speaker 4: Yes, thanks fran So going back to early in the
45:40
Speaker 4: show when we were talking about BBC being a trusted
45:43
Speaker 4: information source or whatever there phrase was, I want to
45:46
Speaker 4: talk about that because I did a little bit of
45:49
Speaker 4: digging from some bastins and things that some viewers have
45:51
Speaker 4: sent me. So I know recently a lot of viewers
45:54
Speaker 4: have been in contact with me because I've been doing
45:56
Speaker 4: some reporting recently on view engineering and chemtrails and time
45:59
Speaker 4: trails and where such funding is going. Again always using
46:02
Speaker 4: primary sources, not just sensationalist channels, but I'm actually trying
46:06
Speaker 4: to get to the bottom of what they are at
46:07
Speaker 4: least telling us they're doing. So some things that I got,
46:11
Speaker 4: for example, from some viewers in the past few days
46:13
Speaker 4: are some communication with it there in Peas. So when
46:16
Speaker 4: was back from twenty fourteen, a viewer sent this to me.
46:19
Speaker 4: When this viewer was asking about KIM trails and contrails
46:22
Speaker 4: and what's actually going on in the skies. And this
46:25
Speaker 4: is directly from the letter that was sent to me
46:29
Speaker 4: where they define kim trails and this is contrails, and
46:32
Speaker 4: we say, well, there's no such thing as chem trails essentially,
46:35
Speaker 4: but they also said, well, there are contrails which are
46:38
Speaker 4: from aircraft that our additional water vapor essentially has been
46:43
Speaker 4: released by burning fuel and the mixing process depending on
46:46
Speaker 4: the injured exhaust characteristics, which creates a plume of air
46:50
Speaker 4: coming out. We'll come back to plumes later in this segment.
46:52
Speaker 4: And then it goes on to the next page, and
46:55
Speaker 4: it also says a little bit more about that about
46:58
Speaker 4: what the contrails do, trying to give some sort of scientific,
47:01
Speaker 4: so called explanation about how contrails actually work. And it
47:06
Speaker 4: also talks about climate change. And one of the things
47:08
Speaker 4: that I've been seeing quite a bit is that they
47:10
Speaker 4: don't really care that much about what the content of
47:14
Speaker 4: the contrails are, which everyone knows they do exist, but
47:17
Speaker 4: what is actually being released into the atmosphere. It's more
47:20
Speaker 4: about the climate change agenda rather than what actually might
47:23
Speaker 4: be happening to human health to people who are sensitive
47:25
Speaker 4: to these chemicals that are being released now. Another MP
47:29
Speaker 4: that wrote to another viewer that was sent to us
47:31
Speaker 4: last week talked about contrails from aircraft, asking questions about
47:36
Speaker 4: what that meant, and some back and forth. So he
47:39
Speaker 4: said that he understands that some countries have used whether
47:42
Speaker 4: modification techniques such as cloud seating, which I reported on
47:46
Speaker 4: that recently, that says the UK does not use cloud
47:50
Speaker 4: seating or deployed geo engineering, and then somewhere back and
47:53
Speaker 4: forth between the two and the MP wrote back and
47:56
Speaker 4: said that I thought this article provided a god summary
47:59
Speaker 4: of the issue. So that was a typo. It should
48:02
Speaker 4: have said good summary, but it said god summary, which
48:04
Speaker 4: is maybe a Freudian slip. I don't know. So I
48:07
Speaker 4: looked at that article because it linked to this BBC website,
48:10
Speaker 4: and the BBC website was called why do contrails Appear
48:15
Speaker 4: in the sky? So this is from twenty twenty two.
48:17
Speaker 4: This is by a woman called Joscelyn Temperley who is
48:21
Speaker 4: a reporter for a BBC's Future Planet, and she said
48:25
Speaker 4: contrails have become an increasingly common sight. Their eye catching
48:29
Speaker 4: presence has caught the attention of many, including through the
48:31
Speaker 4: surprisingly common belief and the Chemp trails conspiracy theory. More
48:34
Speaker 4: on this later. However, it's actually their climate impact that
48:38
Speaker 4: scientists are concerned about, so again not about human health
48:40
Speaker 4: but the climate. So what actually are they and should
48:43
Speaker 4: be paying them more attention? Now within that quote, there
48:48
Speaker 4: were some two links to two academic papers, and so
48:51
Speaker 4: I followed those links to see what those papers said.
48:54
Speaker 4: And what was really interesting were what linked from those papers,
48:57
Speaker 4: so that the articles that they cited. For example, the
49:00
Speaker 4: first one that I will talk about is the one
49:03
Speaker 4: about the conspiracy theorists that she mentioned. The paper was
49:07
Speaker 4: called Solar Engineering and the Kim Trail's Conspiracy on social Media. Now,
49:10
Speaker 4: this paper is very interesting in its own right. I'm
49:12
Speaker 4: not going to go into it, but it will be
49:14
Speaker 4: in the show notes if you want to read the
49:15
Speaker 4: full paper. Basically, it linked it said that there was
49:19
Speaker 4: a nineteen ninety nine online post by someone called William
49:22
Speaker 4: Thomas which was called Contrails Poisoned from the Sky, and
49:26
Speaker 4: he was asking the question what is in the contrails
49:28
Speaker 4: making people sick?
49:29
Speaker 2: Is it just water.
49:30
Speaker 4: Vapor or is it more? And they claimed in this
49:33
Speaker 4: academic article that it was the first to link the
49:35
Speaker 4: so called springing in the skies to the white lines
49:38
Speaker 4: that we see following claims the citations were interesting within
49:43
Speaker 4: the William Thomas article, so it mentioned an US Air
49:47
Speaker 4: Force report from nineteen ninety six which this article was
49:51
Speaker 4: apparently written by within the US Air Force, but it
49:55
Speaker 4: was apparently done as an academic exercise. There's a disclaimer
49:58
Speaker 4: saying that the views express and the report are those
50:00
Speaker 4: of the authors and do not reflect the official policy
50:03
Speaker 4: or position of the Air Force, Department of Defense for
50:05
Speaker 4: the US government. Now whether or not that's the case,
50:07
Speaker 4: who knows. But what I'm to say in this report
50:10
Speaker 4: that weather modification will likely become a part of national
50:13
Speaker 4: security policy with both domestic and international applications. Our government
50:17
Speaker 4: will pursue such a policy depending on its interest at
50:20
Speaker 4: various levels. These levels could include unilateral actions, participation in
50:25
Speaker 4: the security framework such as NATO membership, international organizations such
50:29
Speaker 4: as the UMAN, or participation in a coalition. And then
50:32
Speaker 4: it says the paper was about what the weather modification
50:36
Speaker 4: will look like in twenty twenty five, which is a
50:37
Speaker 4: really good time to be talking about this, because then
50:39
Speaker 4: it said, assuming that in twenty twenty five, our national
50:42
Speaker 4: security strategy includes weather modification, its use in our national
50:47
Speaker 4: military strategy will naturally follow. Besides, the significant benefits and
50:51
Speaker 4: operational capability would provide another motivation to pursue whether modification
50:55
Speaker 4: is to deter encounter political adversaries. This was written in
50:59
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety six to ninety seven, so this is what
51:01
Speaker 4: they were talking about would be happening now. The article
51:05
Speaker 4: I mentioned earlier also mentioned HARP, which is the organization
51:08
Speaker 4: of the States, and harp's website says that no, they
51:11
Speaker 4: cannot create chemtrails. They do talk about contrails that form
51:14
Speaker 4: behind aircraft, and they basically just say on their website
51:18
Speaker 4: that it is essentially a condensation from the exhaust of
51:21
Speaker 4: jet engines. That doesn't say anything about the chemicals that
51:25
Speaker 4: are being released now. It also mentions a book which
51:27
Speaker 4: you can read for free on the INN archive called
51:31
Speaker 4: Weather and Climate Modification. This was an academic research government
51:36
Speaker 4: publication published by John Wiley, which is a reputable publisher
51:39
Speaker 4: in academia. The editor was called w N. He is
51:43
Speaker 4: of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Environmental Research Laboratories.
51:47
Speaker 4: Which is published in nineteen seventy two. Within the preface,
51:50
Speaker 4: it's said there is a twenty eight year history remember
51:53
Speaker 4: this is nineteen seventy two of weather modification. Now, since
51:57
Speaker 4: the revolutionary dry ice seating experiments were conducted by Vincent
52:02
Speaker 4: Schaeffer and Irving Langmuura at General Electric, there was a
52:05
Speaker 4: major upswing in the late nineteen forties and early nineteen
52:08
Speaker 4: fifties after Schaefer's discovery that dry eyes would produce snow
52:11
Speaker 4: in a box filled with super cool water drops. This
52:15
Speaker 4: was called Project Series. This was in nineteen forty seven,
52:18
Speaker 4: was the first one. There was an article that was
52:20
Speaker 4: published in twenty seventeen by the US Department of Commerce
52:23
Speaker 4: discussing the seventieth anniversary of the first hurricane seating experiment,
52:27
Speaker 4: which is what this was by the US Navy. Also
52:30
Speaker 4: in this book it asked eight questions that were meant
52:32
Speaker 4: to be kind of setting out a research agenda for
52:34
Speaker 4: the next few years. And these questions were is this
52:38
Speaker 4: a significant is there a significant downwind effect from cloud seating?
52:41
Speaker 4: Can we effectively clear warm fogs? Can cloud seating produce
52:45
Speaker 4: severe weather like tornadoes? Remember this is an American publication.
52:48
Speaker 4: We didn't really have this year in the UK. Can
52:50
Speaker 4: we increase participation from winter storms Can we decrease hail
52:54
Speaker 4: and lightning and thunderstorms? Can we steer hurricanes by seating them?
52:59
Speaker 4: Can we decrease fall under some seating conditions? Is it
53:02
Speaker 4: possible to understand long term plomatic changes now? So? Osco
53:06
Speaker 4: eighteen seventy two, there was an experiment called Project Storm
53:10
Speaker 4: Fury where they actually seated a hurricane. Let's take a
53:14
Speaker 4: look at this from the AP archive and see what
53:16
Speaker 4: they said.
53:18
Speaker 3: The seeding planes fly across the eye and into these clouds,
53:22
Speaker 3: seeding the supercooled water droplets from the belt of maximum
53:26
Speaker 3: winds outwards. The seeding cartridges burn out as they fall
53:31
Speaker 3: to produce curtains of silver iodide crystals. The silver iodide
53:38
Speaker 3: acts to transform the supercooled water droplets into ice crystals,
53:42
Speaker 3: upsetting the delicate heat balance of the storm and leveling
53:46
Speaker 3: off the sharp pressure differences and the heart of the hurricane,
53:49
Speaker 3: which produced the strongest winds in the storm. Flying a
53:56
Speaker 3: series of intricate patterns into the seeded clouds, monitoring planes
54:01
Speaker 3: measure any changes in wind velocities and pressure caused by
54:04
Speaker 3: the seating. In a related experiment, similar seating of the
54:09
Speaker 3: outer rainbands of the hurricane is studied for its effect
54:12
Speaker 3: on the storm. Through these experiments, Project Storm Fury hopes
54:20
Speaker 3: to improve our understanding of the structure and the driving
54:24
Speaker 3: forces of hurricanes and tropical storms. This increased knowledge can
54:29
Speaker 3: lead us toward the goals of better prediction of hurricane
54:32
Speaker 3: behavior and of reducing the maximum winds in the hurricanes
54:36
Speaker 3: efficiently to cause significant lessening of the destructive effect of
54:40
Speaker 3: the greatest storm on Earth.
54:46
Speaker 4: Now, also in that time period we had between nineteen
54:49
Speaker 4: sixty nine and nineteen seventy two, there was Operation Popeye,
54:52
Speaker 4: which was the government's operation to prolong the monsoon season
54:56
Speaker 4: and Vietnam during the war, using what they called known
54:59
Speaker 4: clouding seating techniques. And there's this information was released. It
55:04
Speaker 4: was originally a hearing in the US Senate, which was
55:06
Speaker 4: top secret at first, but it's now released. It's freely
55:09
Speaker 4: available online where it said that this rainmaking program was
55:14
Speaker 4: conducted from as I said, nineteen sixty seven to nineteen
55:17
Speaker 4: seventy two, which employed air dropped silver and lead iodide
55:20
Speaker 4: seating units to increase normal monsoon rainfall. But what's interesting
55:24
Speaker 4: about that is that in nineteen seventy six, so four
55:27
Speaker 4: years later, there was a UN paperwork written up called
55:32
Speaker 4: the Convention on the Prohibition of Military or any other
55:35
Speaker 4: Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques. This happened, of course,
55:40
Speaker 4: after this particular operation in Vietnam, and who knows what
55:43
Speaker 4: else happened, We don't really know yet. But what this
55:46
Speaker 4: said was that they were convinced that the Convention should
55:49
Speaker 4: not affect the use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes,
55:54
Speaker 4: which could contribute to the preservation and improvement of the
55:57
Speaker 4: environment for the benefit of present in future generations. So
56:02
Speaker 4: that's saying they're okay, so we're not going to use
56:04
Speaker 4: in a warfare, but if it's going to use so
56:05
Speaker 4: called save the planet, then maybe we should do it.
56:08
Speaker 4: The other paper, which I won't go into detail, but
56:10
Speaker 4: I just want to mention to close this out, was
56:13
Speaker 4: called the Contribution of Global Aviation to Anthropogendic Climate Forcing
56:17
Speaker 4: for twenty to twenty eighteen. This was the second paper
56:20
Speaker 4: that was linked that I mentioned from the BBC article,
56:23
Speaker 4: and it had this little graphic here which maybe wonder
56:26
Speaker 4: about the questions of what is in the contrails, because
56:30
Speaker 4: it says here all of these different things that are
56:32
Speaker 4: in the plume composition So this is researchers that are
56:35
Speaker 4: talking about how this is actually working through global aviation measures,
56:39
Speaker 4: and at lists a lot of things, including others. So
56:42
Speaker 4: what is the others and why are they so worried
56:44
Speaker 4: about what plane flights due to so called climate change
56:48
Speaker 4: that we can promote that agenda, but not the health
56:50
Speaker 4: of those of us who are breathing the air that
56:52
Speaker 4: are being released by these particular particles. So I'm just
56:55
Speaker 4: asking a question. Brian and Ben, I don't know what
56:57
Speaker 4: you think, but I'm a bit concerned.
57:01
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right to be concerned. Diane. I
57:04
Speaker 1: think we've got to an interesting stage where information about
57:08
Speaker 1: this subject is coming to the surface, and of course
57:12
Speaker 1: it's now becoming easier to dig into it. But we've
57:15
Speaker 1: got to come back to this key question is what
57:18
Speaker 1: is taking place as we witness every specific event? So
57:23
Speaker 1: is this happening across aviation fuel that's used by every
57:29
Speaker 1: single aircraft? Is this one problem in much the same
57:33
Speaker 1: ways that we had a pollution problem when cars we're
57:36
Speaker 1: using leaded fuel. So we've got a change to aviation
57:40
Speaker 1: fuel or is aviation fuel being used selectively in order
57:44
Speaker 1: to get some other agenda with regard to whatever it
57:49
Speaker 1: may be cloud seeding or any other weather modification experience happening.
57:54
Speaker 1: When we see a trail in the sky, it's still
57:59
Speaker 1: difficult to say exactly what that aircraft is doing. And
58:03
Speaker 1: this is the key point, and of course the BBC
58:06
Speaker 1: demonstrating there once again that they are only going to
58:10
Speaker 1: go so far into this subject and if you delve
58:14
Speaker 1: in too far, they're going to brand you a conspiracy theorist.
58:17
Speaker 1: So I think the good news out of this topic
58:20
Speaker 1: at the moment is that it is beginning to break surface,
58:24
Speaker 1: and yes we can be delving into it in order
58:27
Speaker 1: to get more evidence as to what is actually taking place.
58:32
Speaker 1: Letters questions to your MP, to the BBC, to scientific
58:37
Speaker 1: bodies of course also make a difference. Let's just end
58:41
Speaker 1: by a little bit possibly a black humor. This is
58:45
Speaker 1: another image from Keir Starmer's Twitter account. I find this
58:51
Speaker 1: one utterly astonishing because the wizards, as I've labeled them,
58:55
Speaker 1: seem to be in a remarkably childish environment. But I'm
58:59
Speaker 1: not sure where they were actually located. So draw up
59:02
Speaker 1: your own conclusions from the little low coos and the
59:05
Speaker 1: icons on the front of the desk, But it would
59:09
Speaker 1: be nice to know exactly what's being said. And of
59:12
Speaker 1: course there we've got Zelensky drawn into the inner circle.
59:17
Speaker 1: Although we have no idea of this man's morality or
59:20
Speaker 1: his true objectives, but he's certainly got power because his
59:25
Speaker 1: influence is something that took over the Italian Prime Minister Maloney.
59:30
Speaker 1: Here she is in a nice little beige number, strutting
59:33
Speaker 1: her stuff. This was part of a video that I
59:37
Speaker 1: came across over the last few days. I was also
59:40
Speaker 1: saying that clearly Italy doesn't want to get near troops
59:43
Speaker 1: in Ukraine, but notice her outfit. Well, when she's together
59:47
Speaker 1: with Zelenski, it all changes and I couldn't resist that.
59:51
Speaker 1: It's definitely back to black. And if you look at
59:54
Speaker 1: Zelenski's face, clearly he thinks he's achieved something. So I'd
59:59
Speaker 1: like to know what took place in their meeting, whether
1:00:03
Speaker 1: it was in black or not.
1:00:05
Speaker 2: Was that a pop culture reference?
1:00:07
Speaker 8: Rian?
1:00:07
Speaker 1: It was? It was pretty good for me. I thought, fantastic, Yeah,
1:00:10
Speaker 1: that's okay, and I just end that. Of course, in
1:00:14
Speaker 1: the background, over the last few days, the BBC absolutely
1:00:18
Speaker 1: crowing at the what it says a record losses for
1:00:22
Speaker 1: the Russians in Ukraine. So the BBC getting intense pleasure
1:00:27
Speaker 1: and satisfaction over it coming out with estimates of Russian
1:00:31
Speaker 1: Russian casualties at anywhere from one hundred and sixty four thousand,
1:00:35
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty three to two hundred and thirty
1:00:39
Speaker 1: seven two hundred and eleven. And of course the spread
1:00:42
Speaker 1: there shows you that actually the BBC is pretty unsure
1:00:46
Speaker 1: of what the real figures are. But whatever the Russian
1:00:50
Speaker 1: death and wounded figures are for Ukraine, the Ukrainian casualties
1:00:55
Speaker 1: are far worse. But of course the BBC does not
1:00:58
Speaker 1: want to tell the UK public those statistics because that
1:01:04
Speaker 1: would spoil their agenda as to what's actually happening in
1:01:08
Speaker 1: the war in Ukraine. Let's send it there. I'm going
1:01:11
Speaker 1: to say, Diane, thank you very much for joining us. Ben,
1:01:14
Speaker 1: thank you for joining me. We will be back in
1:01:17
Speaker 1: a few moments. If you're a UK column member for
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1:01:27
Speaker 1: course knowledge of what is taking place in this wider
1:01:32
Speaker 1: political agenda is the key to stopping it. So look
1:01:37
Speaker 1: at the people, look at the policies, Listen to the language,
1:01:41
Speaker 1: to understand the agenda and this is the route to
1:01:46
Speaker 1: overturning what's taking place. We will leave it there. Thank
1:01:50
Speaker 1: you very much for joining us. As I say UK
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