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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 4-28-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 1: He's the Sean O'Connell Show, brought to you by Big
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Speaker 1: of Utah's ESPN Radio.
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Speaker 2: Network Heavy Tuesday Byday. Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show
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Speaker 2: on ESPN seven hundred and one FM.
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Speaker 3: I sound a little different today.
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Speaker 2: I am the father of three small children who are
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Speaker 2: currently just booker factories, so I am. I'm gonna try
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Speaker 2: to stay subdued with my yelling for the most part today,
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Speaker 2: and that's gonna be hard, because I feel like I
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Speaker 2: need to yell about what happened last night at the
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Speaker 2: Delta Center, the second ever Stanley Cup playoff game on
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Speaker 2: home ice for the Utah Mammoth. They go down three
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Speaker 2: to nothing, they come charging back, take the four to
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Speaker 2: three lead, give up the equalizer, and then in overtime, tragically, painfully, ridiculously,
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Speaker 2: Veggie loses his stick, loses his eyes, gets turned around,
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Speaker 2: and Shade Theador scores an overtime goal the even the
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Speaker 2: series at two to two, just a twist of the knife.
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Speaker 2: After the Utah Mammoth had battled their way back not
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Speaker 2: only into the game, but into the lead in the game.
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Speaker 2: And this is just what we got to get used to.
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Speaker 2: Stanley Cup playoff hockey is absolutely bananas. It is insane.
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Speaker 2: Don't take my word for it. Look at what's happened
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Speaker 2: in the East right now. The Philadelphia Flyers jumped out
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Speaker 2: to a three zero lead three games to nothing against
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Speaker 2: the cross state rival in the Pittsburgh Penguins. And that
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Speaker 2: game is now or that series, i should say, is
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Speaker 2: now going to a game six. So Wednesday night in
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Speaker 2: Sin City, Utah is gonna have to spoil the home
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Speaker 2: ice advantage of the Vegas Golden Knights again if they
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Speaker 2: want to win.
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Speaker 3: This series back in Salt Lake City on Friday.
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Speaker 2: So I mean, I guess if there's a silver lining
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Speaker 2: to be found in the lost last night, it's that
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Speaker 2: it does guarantee another home playoff game for next Friday.
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Speaker 2: Doesn't make me feel a whole lot better because I
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Speaker 2: will be in Sioux Falls, South Dakota next Friday calling fights.
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Speaker 3: So that sucks.
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Speaker 2: But what a game, I mean, not the result that
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Speaker 2: you wanted, but what an incredible game, What an incredible
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Speaker 2: fight by the Utah Mammoth and Clayton Keller getting his
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Speaker 2: first goal of the series on what was ultimately just
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Speaker 2: the result.
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Speaker 3: The go ahead goal for Keller.
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Speaker 2: Was just a result of something that we've talked about
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Speaker 2: this team needing to do, and that Vegas did a
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Speaker 2: much better job of last night, and that's why ultimately
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Speaker 2: they won. When you're in your ozone, you just sometimes
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Speaker 2: you have to get some dirt in front of the net.
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Speaker 2: You have to get players in front of the crease.
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Speaker 2: You have to make the defenseman for the Las Vegas
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Speaker 2: gold Knights battle it out with some bodies. And in
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Speaker 2: the case of that Keller goal, it was Sergachev just
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Speaker 2: creating chaos in front of the net and the goal
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Speaker 2: wasn't even on target. Keller kind of tried to throw
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Speaker 2: it across the front and it ended up behind the
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Speaker 2: goalkeeper and bounced off of a defenseman and went into
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Speaker 2: the back of the net. So it doesn't have to
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Speaker 2: be pretty, it doesn't have to be something that you know,
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Speaker 2: doesn't have to be one of those sniper shots that
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Speaker 2: you get from Dylan Gunther, schmaltz Ian, Cole, Michael Carcone,
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Speaker 2: Clayton Keller all got on the board.
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Speaker 3: I do have. It's not Friday but.
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Speaker 2: The unbelievable goals scored by Brett Howden of Vegas in
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Speaker 2: both cases just wild deflections. Now, the deflected goals, it
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Speaker 2: always looks like it's luck. It's not always luck, right,
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Speaker 2: It's something that especially defenseman practice constantly, big body forwards
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Speaker 2: practice constantly. Guys who don't have that like massive slap
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Speaker 2: shot find ways to figure out how to get themselves
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Speaker 2: in front of a net, redirect a puck that's coming
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Speaker 2: in either as a shot or kind of like a
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Speaker 2: heated pass. And in the case of Howden, if you
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Speaker 2: go back and you watch the highlights of this game,
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Speaker 2: you watch both of those goals, I'm trying to come
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Speaker 2: up with the equivalent in any other sport. I don't
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Speaker 2: know why I feel a need to do that with hockey,
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Speaker 2: but I think it's just because it's still so new
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Speaker 2: to all of us. It was like, at the very best,
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Speaker 2: both of those goals were bank shot three pointers. In
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Speaker 2: the NBA, it still counts. It still requires a heck
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Speaker 2: of a lot of skill, maybe even more skill.
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Speaker 3: You look at it, and the guys who.
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Speaker 2: Make those shots in the NBA, they always kind of
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Speaker 2: trot back with the sort of a half smile on
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Speaker 2: their face, so like, that's not exactly what I meant
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Speaker 2: to have happened. Brett Howden was holding his stick in
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Speaker 2: both of these cases. He's deflecting from like above the
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Speaker 2: waist lacrosse, sticking this thing down, bouncing it onto the
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Speaker 2: ice and pass Veggie.
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Speaker 3: We gotta get.
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Speaker 2: A real bona fide NHL hockey player on the air
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Speaker 2: to tell me how high percentage that kind of deflection
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Speaker 2: usually is.
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Speaker 3: Just crazy that one goes in.
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Speaker 2: And then to get a second one, and the first
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Speaker 2: one was a shorthanded goal, the first shorthanded goal scored
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Speaker 2: in this series by either team. If I'm not mistaken,
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Speaker 2: and if Mitch Marner gets the credit for the assist,
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Speaker 2: Mitch Marner was not trying to assist. He was chucking
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Speaker 2: that puck in at like chest level, and Howden somehow
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Speaker 2: bats it out of the air with his stick, and
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Speaker 2: then the same thing happened. Although I think that the
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Speaker 2: Hannafin Jack Eichel assisted third period goal to tie it
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Speaker 2: up at four, I think that one was a little
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Speaker 2: bit less ridiculous if I'm remembering correctly, if I'm watching
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Speaker 2: this highlight correctly, But in both cases it was like,
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Speaker 2: come on, man, how you need a little bit of
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Speaker 2: luck in all sports, in every playoff situation, you need
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Speaker 2: a little bit of luck to get you all the
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Speaker 2: way through Vegas on both of those Howden goals. And
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Speaker 2: not to take anything away from him, he's obviously really
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Speaker 2: good player, but they got they got blessings from the
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Speaker 2: hockey gods that he was able to bounce both of
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Speaker 2: those bad boys in those redirects are it's the bank
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Speaker 2: shot three pointer, It's the touchdown pass that bounces off
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Speaker 2: of three bodies and gets juggled before it gets caught.
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Speaker 2: It's the kick that hits the crossbar and goes over
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Speaker 2: for the game winner. What would it be ina ball?
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Speaker 2: In baseball, it's the I saw this happen at a
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Speaker 2: T ball game. I don't think it happens in Major
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Speaker 2: League baseball. My daughter last Monday night, not yesterday because
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Speaker 2: it got rained out, but last Monday night, one of
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Speaker 2: the little girls on her team swings the bat and
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Speaker 2: like a cartoon, the momentum of the bat carries her
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Speaker 2: all the way around in a pirouette, spins her all
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Speaker 2: the way around, and on the second time around, that's
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Speaker 2: when the bat hits the ball. So full spin bat
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Speaker 2: hits the ball on top of the tee.
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Speaker 3: And as it always is in te ball, as a
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Speaker 3: base hit.
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Speaker 4: I wonder, I wonder if it's like the triple that
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Speaker 4: the guy the outfield throws into the stands, so it
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Speaker 4: becomes it becomes a you know, a triple and a
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Speaker 4: run scored on an error.
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Speaker 3: But in effect a home run.
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Speaker 4: I wonder if I wonder if it's like that very fluky,
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Speaker 4: like a great, great play still but not necessarily one
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Speaker 4: that should have scored.
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Speaker 2: Like we've all done this in it whatever sport you play,
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Speaker 2: right where something happens that's absolutely insane, the reverse layup
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Speaker 2: that you're just throwing it up to try to get
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Speaker 2: the one and it actually goes in.
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Speaker 3: You're like, yeah, I totally meant to do that.
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Speaker 2: Vegas got two of those goals, not one, two, including
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Speaker 2: the the.
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Speaker 3: Game tying goal.
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Speaker 2: That sent it into overtime, and ultimately they won an overtime,
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Speaker 2: and it actually looked like maybe they had won it
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Speaker 2: in overtime before the actual game winner happened. Before Veggie
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Speaker 2: I think it was Ian Cole, accidentally got pushed skated
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Speaker 2: into Veggie knocked the stick out of his hand, and
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Speaker 2: then he was just like discombobulated, and Shaye Theodore was.
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Speaker 3: Able to put that one in the back of the net.
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Speaker 4: But the first time, oh see, the first off the
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Speaker 4: collective like grown and then silence that I'm sure you
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Speaker 4: heard over the TV broadcast, but then like kind of
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Speaker 4: a mass exodust from the seats. I don't know if everyone,
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Speaker 4: if anyone actually made it out of the building. I
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Speaker 4: don't know if I saw anyone leave the building and
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Speaker 4: then be screwed and missed the last like twelve thirteen
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Speaker 4: minutes of overtime, which they end up losing anyway, So
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Speaker 4: maybe they would have preferred to leave the building. But
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Speaker 4: there was there at one you you were there for,
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Speaker 4: uh for Friday's game. At one one end of the building,
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Speaker 4: there's a giant screen, right, and so we're that's where
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Speaker 4: we are. We're us we're trying to get down as
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Speaker 4: media folks are trying to get over to where we
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Speaker 4: can get the post game in time, right, and we're
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Speaker 4: leaving with some of the fans, and some of the
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Speaker 4: fans that are in our area there were like, oh,
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Speaker 4: it's offside, and it was offside, and then they and
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Speaker 4: then they you know, they start, everyone starts running back
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Speaker 4: to their seats.
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Speaker 2: So that was that was kind of a crazy moment
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Speaker 2: in the building for everybody, and.
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Speaker 3: I call those off sides.
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Speaker 2: Ultimately, what really was excuse me, it really was painful.
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Speaker 2: About the way that overtime ended up working out is
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Speaker 2: down the stretch in the third period, Utah once again
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Speaker 2: killed some pretty significant penalties.
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Speaker 3: In overtime, you kill a penalty and.
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Speaker 2: In the offensive zone you're possessing the puck in late
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Speaker 2: in the third and in overtime you're possessing the puck
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Speaker 2: for like seventy percent of the total time skated and
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Speaker 2: just not unfortunately able to generate the offense, not able
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Speaker 2: to generate what you needed. Give Heart their goaltender credit
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Speaker 2: because he was abysmally bad in Game three, and he
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Speaker 2: came up with some very very timely saves late in
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Speaker 2: the third and in overtime in this one on some
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Speaker 2: really really good chances. Gunther had a nice look, Schmaltz
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Speaker 2: had a really nice look. Kraus he almost broke a
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Speaker 2: stick because he had a breakaway opportunity that just got mishandled.
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Speaker 3: And now you're tied up to too.
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Speaker 2: More playoff hockey coming back to the Delta Center next
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Speaker 2: Friday night. If there is again there's you try to
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Speaker 2: look for silver linings, if there's something that makes you
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Speaker 2: feel better. It makes me feel better about losing this
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Speaker 2: one in overtime. The fact that you've now kind of
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Speaker 2: done it all in the playoffs, now that you've got
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Speaker 2: a lot of guys on your team with playoff experience, right,
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Speaker 2: but you don't have as a unit, you don't have
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Speaker 2: playoff experience together. Now you're four games into the playoffs,
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Speaker 2: You've already won on the road, You've already skated an
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Speaker 2: extra twenty minutes in overtime, You've already gone through that situation.
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Speaker 2: And the national broadcast on ESPN last night, tj Oshi
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Speaker 2: is like, I like him as a broadcaster right now
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Speaker 2: because he is so not polished. He's new to it,
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Speaker 2: and he's kind of like, from a formatic standpoint, he's
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Speaker 2: kind of bad, you know what I mean. He's like,
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Speaker 2: he's not smooth yet, and I think with that comes
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Speaker 2: a little bit more candor, a little bit more honesty.
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Speaker 2: He doesn't know, like the stuff you're not supposed to
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Speaker 2: say about how a team's skating, how a team's playing.
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Speaker 2: He doesn't he's not like fully dialed in all the
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Speaker 2: way and hasn't probably had some of the conversations with
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Speaker 2: like a producer, just like, hey man, you can't say
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Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, or teams aren't gonna want to
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Speaker 2: talk to you, or hey, you can't like But he
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Speaker 2: I thought he was really good last night, and part
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Speaker 2: of what he was good about was describing just how
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Speaker 2: miserable those overtime shifts can become. And again on the
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Speaker 2: national broadcast, as soon as they get past like a
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Speaker 2: minute on the ice for each they start showing the
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Speaker 2: shift time where the Mammoth in a couple of situations
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Speaker 2: and the Nights in a couple of situations also were
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Speaker 2: basically stuck on a shift much much longer than they
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Speaker 2: wanted to be, going almost two minutes on a shift.
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Speaker 4: There was There was about a four minute stretch with
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Speaker 4: no stoppages in overtime from about seven minutes left to
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Speaker 4: about three minutes left, and that was maybe the longest
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Speaker 4: of the game. Oh see, may I may have missed
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Speaker 4: a longer one, but it felt like it was the
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Speaker 4: longest of the game, and it was the kind of
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Speaker 4: shift that I think Vegas had it in their zone
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Speaker 4: controlling it almost that whole time, and so there really
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Speaker 4: wasn't an opportunity to change any lines for either team.
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Speaker 4: So it was almost a four minute shift for both teams,
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Speaker 4: which if we're all new to hockey, we're all learning that.
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Speaker 4: You ideally you're going ninety seconds tops, maybe two minutes tops.
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Speaker 4: They're going about double that. They went about double that
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Speaker 4: in that stretch in overtime. I mean, that must have
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Speaker 4: been brutal.
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Speaker 2: Jackico skated twenty nine minutes in this game.
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Speaker 3: No Hannafin skated twenty nine minutes in this game.
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Speaker 2: Cha Theodore skated thirty three minutes in the game, and
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Speaker 2: the ultimate reward for him is the game winning goal.
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Speaker 2: Sergachev was over thirty minutes in a mammoth uniform, Schmaltz
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Speaker 2: twenty seven minutes, Krous almost twenty nine minutes, just under
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Speaker 2: twenty nine minutes. I mean, this is there's a lot
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Speaker 2: of work for these guys, and you've got to take
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Speaker 2: a nice recovery day today, but you're traveling as well
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Speaker 2: down to Vegas and you got to you gotta be
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Speaker 2: ready to go at T Mobile Arena tomorrow night.
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Speaker 3: This is it's brutal. After an overtime game.
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Speaker 2: But you've you've now checked a bunch of boxes as
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Speaker 2: a squad together, you've navigated through, you've got the road
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Speaker 2: win already, you've got the home loss, You've got the overtime,
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Speaker 2: and quite frankly, a comedy of errors unfolded in that
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Speaker 2: in that overtime that like how many times this year?
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Speaker 2: I haven't watched every single Mammoth game this year, but
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Speaker 2: I watched a heck of a lot of them. How
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Speaker 2: many times this year did we find Veggie without a
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Speaker 2: stick in his hand, with the opposition in the offensive zone?
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Speaker 3: How many times? I think? I think that was one.
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Speaker 2: I think that was the first time, and it came
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Speaker 2: at the worst possible time.
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Speaker 3: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred.
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Speaker 2: If you want to share your takeaways from watching the game,
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Speaker 2: either in person at the Delta Center or or at home.
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Speaker 2: I planned on going, I didn't end up going. Dad
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Speaker 2: duty called. Got to watch the game on the TV
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Speaker 2: at home. Got to flip back and forth between the
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Speaker 2: local broadcast and the national broadcast, and James, you were there.
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Speaker 2: The both broadcasts kept talking about how loud it was,
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Speaker 2: and you hear it from old Chick. You heard it
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Speaker 2: from tj Oshi. They were like, it's shaking down here
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Speaker 2: on the ice. Was the atmosphere on Monday night the
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Speaker 2: same as it was on Friday night?
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Speaker 4: I think it was, which is wild for a couple
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Speaker 4: of reasons. One Monday Friday night was the historic moment,
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Speaker 4: the first one you you expect to be the biggest one, right,
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Speaker 4: But the another reason is this is a Monday night.
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Speaker 4: This is like the first game. Game three was on
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Speaker 4: a Friday night, you know, opening the weekend. Kids don't
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Speaker 4: have school the next day. Parents, most parents in the
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Speaker 4: building didn't have an Adults in the building didn't have
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Speaker 4: to work the next day, right, or if they did,
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Speaker 4: they could at least sleep in. Uh So you expect
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Speaker 4: a wild rackus and and huge crowd on a weekend.
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Speaker 4: Effectively on a Friday night. I was wondering this this
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Speaker 4: not only not being the big historic first game, but
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Speaker 4: also it not being a weekend, Just how different it
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Speaker 4: might be, how much quieter it might be.
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Speaker 3: It was not. It was. It was about the same.
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Speaker 4: There were some moments, I think in the second and
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Speaker 4: third period, because of that barrage of goal scoring, it
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Speaker 4: might have been louder than it was on Friday.
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Speaker 3: Night.
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Speaker 4: Oh see, it was the Utah fans brought it once again,
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Speaker 4: and you should be proud of yourselves. Those are in there,
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Speaker 4: those that were supporting from home, that would have been
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Speaker 4: crazy loud. You're get the passion is showing through, and
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Speaker 4: all of the national and the Vegas Beat writers they're
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Speaker 4: all they're all talking about it about how this is
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Speaker 4: this an incredible hockey fan base only two years in.
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Speaker 2: Mike Folta, by the way, the radio voice of the
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Speaker 2: Utah Mammoth, is going to join us at noon today.
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Speaker 2: Gordy Chias is joining us at about ten minutes Jeff
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Speaker 2: Schwartz to talk draft recap. We'll get into some fits
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Speaker 2: with Spencer Fano and Kleb Lomu. You know, the offensive
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Speaker 2: line systems that they're going to be drafted into or
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Speaker 2: that they have been drafted into.
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Speaker 3: We'll talk about that with Jeff.
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Speaker 2: So if you're if you're big on offensive line play,
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Speaker 2: you're gonna like that conversation.
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Speaker 3: Utah fans are at this point because of those two guys.
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Speaker 2: Well, by the way, we didn't talk about this yesterday,
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Speaker 2: but James and I ran into when I'm at Friday
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Speaker 2: night's game, we ran into Jim Harding.
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Speaker 3: We did. He brought his son to the game, which
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Speaker 3: is way cool for them.
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Speaker 2: His son plays hockey and coach Arding was like, it's
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Speaker 2: sort of like sheepish when we talked to him, and
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Speaker 2: just like, I know, I'm not the most popular guy
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Speaker 2: around here now. I I don't pretend to speak for
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Speaker 2: all Utah fans, but I was like, man, you don't
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Speaker 2: have to like he's going home. He's his wife's from Michigan.
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Speaker 2: They're from the Midwest. Like it's fine, that's the That's
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Speaker 2: what he said to us too.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Everyone, I hope people understand like this is this is
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Speaker 4: home for me, a chance for me to go home,
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Speaker 4: not just a chance to go to a bigger job.
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Speaker 2: Congratulated him on having Caleb Lomu and Spencer Final both
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Speaker 2: drafted in the first round. I mean, he was massively
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Speaker 2: important to the development of both of those guys. He
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Speaker 2: was massively important to the retention of both of those
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Speaker 2: guys on the Utah roster when they were both given
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Speaker 2: big time opportunities to go basically anywhere they wanted to
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Speaker 2: in the country.
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Speaker 3: And I do not bear a grudge over anyone that left.
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Speaker 2: I know, it's obnoxious and it's annoying to bring it
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Speaker 2: up again, but I think it's important.
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Speaker 3: I'll use this as a segue.
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Speaker 2: Some news broke after our show yesterday that was for
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Speaker 2: me like pretty darn significant, like pretty seismic.
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Speaker 3: Because of the timing of it.
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Speaker 2: So you've heard me mentioned many many times on this program,
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Speaker 2: on any program I've been on the strength and conditioning
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Speaker 2: program's importance in all of college football, right, and it's
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Speaker 2: now acknowledged pretty much across the board how massively important
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Speaker 2: those types of coaches and their knowledge and their skill
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Speaker 2: set and their programs are by anyone in the football world. Well,
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Speaker 2: Doug Alisiah had been with Kyle Whittingham, had been with
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Speaker 2: Utah football since the two thousand and five. Two thousand
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Speaker 2: and six season, he took over six as the head guy,
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Speaker 2: and he had been there the whole time. Now, interestingly enough,
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Speaker 2: his lead assistant's a guy named Greg Ugust, and coach
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Speaker 2: Argust actually predated Doug Alisiah. Elisiah came in with another guy,
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Speaker 2: Coach Johnson, and Coach Johnson was only here for a year.
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Speaker 2: Pardon me, but Greg August, he and I have joked
21:52
Speaker 2: about it many times, like I didn't even realize how
21:55
Speaker 2: young he was when I was on the team up there,
21:57
Speaker 2: when we were doing that whole like yes, the bull season,
22:01
Speaker 2: he was like two years older than us. He was
22:03
Speaker 2: a graduate assistant that then became an assistant that then
22:05
Speaker 2: became the lead assistant. But Greg Argus had actually been
22:09
Speaker 2: at the University of Utah in that strength and conditioning
22:12
Speaker 2: program since before Doug Alisiah got the head job and
22:20
Speaker 2: he stepped down he resigned. Was the report that coach
22:26
Speaker 2: August is out now. I have talked to several different
22:32
Speaker 2: people about this because it is a big deal. Like
22:37
Speaker 2: the work that's being done between now and the start
22:41
Speaker 2: of the season, eighty percent of that work is your
22:44
Speaker 2: strength and conditioning coach is your strength and conditioning program.
22:47
Speaker 2: Morgan Scally and his assistants until camp starts have very
22:53
Speaker 2: very very little influence over what happens with this team.
22:59
Speaker 2: Springball is on, which means the work being put in
23:03
Speaker 2: between now.
23:06
Speaker 3: And fall camp is done in the weight room.
23:08
Speaker 2: Primarily rules have changed so you can do some like
23:13
Speaker 2: shells seven on seven type, like the voluntary slash involuntary workouts.
23:21
Speaker 2: Coaches have only had a certain amount of influence right,
23:24
Speaker 2: But Greg Argus was a continuation of the winningham Way,
23:30
Speaker 2: which a lot of people loved, and the results speak
23:34
Speaker 2: for themselves. Like they had a bunch of there's still
23:36
Speaker 2: a developmental program. You still turned a bunch of three
23:39
Speaker 2: star guys in NFL players. You had big, strong, fast guys.
23:43
Speaker 2: Plenty of us questioned over the injury laiden years whether
23:47
Speaker 2: or not the strength and conditioning program had contributed to
23:52
Speaker 2: any of that, but there's no real answer to it, right,
23:56
Speaker 2: and then you got the data last year that they
24:00
Speaker 2: or finally with a massive amount of relief, saying, hey,
24:03
Speaker 2: our soft tissue injuries are way down. Everything we've made,
24:07
Speaker 2: the adjustments we think we were supposed to make, et cetera,
24:09
Speaker 2: et cetera.
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Speaker 3: Well, there is no more Greg Argus.
24:13
Speaker 2: He's out, and the hope is the conversations that I've
24:17
Speaker 2: heard and have had, that he will land on his
24:20
Speaker 2: feet somewhere.
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Speaker 3: But there's a lot of controversy.
24:25
Speaker 2: There's a significant amount of controversy in the alumni base
24:28
Speaker 2: in the especially the guys that are kind of from
24:30
Speaker 2: that last twenty years, about whether or not Morgan Scalley
24:34
Speaker 2: is pulling the right move. Here's what I want to
24:36
Speaker 2: say about it. Morgan Scalley is putting his stamp on
24:44
Speaker 2: this program. It is his program now, and there are
24:47
Speaker 2: a lot of us. There are a lot of people
24:48
Speaker 2: in this fan base that are like, well, we're okay
24:52
Speaker 2: with the change, but we want to be comfortable with
24:55
Speaker 2: that change.
24:57
Speaker 3: And I think that's an unrealistic expectation.
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Speaker 2: I think that there are a lot of people like, yeah,
25:01
Speaker 2: it was time for Wit to go, but as long
25:03
Speaker 2: as I approve of everything that happens moving forward. Do
25:07
Speaker 2: you trust Morgan scally or not? Ask yourself that question today.
25:11
Speaker 2: Ask yourself that question every time you see a headline
25:14
Speaker 2: about somebody like Greg Argust, who has been in this
25:17
Speaker 2: program for twenty four years. When that person is gone,
25:21
Speaker 2: do you trust Morgan Scalley and his decision making or not?
25:24
Speaker 2: Do you trust that he is elevating a guy who
25:26
Speaker 2: is blackballed from the NFL as a strength and conditioning coach?
25:31
Speaker 2: Do you say, well, if Morgan, if it's good enough
25:34
Speaker 2: for Morgan, it's good enough for me.
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Speaker 3: Do you have that level of trust in your head coach?
25:38
Speaker 2: Because I think for the most part we had that
25:40
Speaker 2: with Kyle Whittingham. Sometimes we lost it with Kyle Whittingham
25:44
Speaker 2: on the damn analytics stuff.
25:45
Speaker 3: I was just like, I don't want to hear that.
25:47
Speaker 2: I trust you implicitly, I don't trust the analytics, right
25:51
Speaker 2: do you trust Morgan scally when he says this is
25:54
Speaker 2: the stamp I want to put on my program because
25:57
Speaker 2: it is his program, and I could not respect, love,
26:03
Speaker 2: enjoy conversation with Greg. Ugust is one of the guys
26:06
Speaker 2: that made my experience as a lowly nobody walk on
26:09
Speaker 2: at the University of Utah. He's one of the guys
26:12
Speaker 2: who made my experience fulfilling, worthwhile, fun, incredible.
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Speaker 3: I love that guy, Love him.
26:20
Speaker 2: He was a big part of very formative years for
26:23
Speaker 2: me as a young person an athlete. I only want
26:26
Speaker 2: good things for him and his family. His wife is
26:28
Speaker 2: also an employee at the university. They've got kids. I
26:32
Speaker 2: want wonderful things to happen for that family. I hate
26:37
Speaker 2: seeing somebody not have the job that is.
26:40
Speaker 3: I think I haven't.
26:41
Speaker 2: Talked to him yet, but I talked to him last week,
26:44
Speaker 2: literally last week, and that is his dream job. He
26:47
Speaker 2: no longer has that job voluntarily or depending on who
26:51
Speaker 2: you listen to, kind of like a hey, thanks for
26:54
Speaker 2: your service, but we're going to reorganize some things.
26:56
Speaker 3: Do you still want to stay?
26:57
Speaker 2: That's sort of a we're not going to fire you,
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Speaker 2: but you might be firing yourself here type situation is
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Speaker 2: what I was told by at least a couple people.
27:08
Speaker 3: But do I trust Morgan Scally?
27:10
Speaker 2: Do I think Morgan Scally should be able to put
27:14
Speaker 2: his stamp on this program.
27:15
Speaker 3: And do things his way whether you like them or not.
27:19
Speaker 2: Do you want Morgan Scally to live and die by
27:21
Speaker 2: his own sword or do you want him to be like, well,
27:24
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm kind of trying to maintain some continuity
27:28
Speaker 2: because people are really uncomfortable with the fact that this
27:30
Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham to Michigan thing happened. Absolutely not. I don't
27:34
Speaker 2: want him to be apologetic about any of this. And
27:38
Speaker 2: the decision that he made was to hire a former
27:43
Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens strength and conditioning coach that got an F
27:49
Speaker 2: minus grade in the NFLPA. But again, read more into
27:54
Speaker 2: what that stuff is about, read more into the players
27:57
Speaker 2: that are talking about it, and make your decisions on that.
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Speaker 2: Like a lot of the guys that did not like
28:04
Speaker 2: this new Utah strength and conditioning coach when he was
28:06
Speaker 2: with the Ravens are like, barely make the roster kind
28:09
Speaker 2: of guys. I'm gonna blame my lack of success in
28:13
Speaker 2: the NFL on something type of guys, and then it's
28:16
Speaker 2: gonna be on the strength and conditioning coach because I
28:18
Speaker 2: wasn't able to stay healthy kind of situation. But Derek
28:22
Speaker 2: Wolf didn't like him, Matthew Judon didn't like him. Those
28:26
Speaker 2: are two really really good players. You know who did
28:31
Speaker 2: like him, you know who loved him. You know who
28:34
Speaker 2: when I asked, like, hey, what's this about? Said could
28:37
Speaker 2: not have made a better decision, Eric Weddle. So do
28:41
Speaker 2: you If your question is do I trust Morgan Scally
28:45
Speaker 2: and you're like, I think so, but I'm not sure.
28:48
Speaker 3: You also get to ask that question about Eric Weddle.
28:50
Speaker 2: Do you trust one of the all time greats from
28:52
Speaker 2: this program who's never had anything but the best interest
28:56
Speaker 2: of the program in his mind and is an example
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Speaker 2: of the ultimate level of success that this program could
29:03
Speaker 2: generate at the college and the NFL level.
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Speaker 3: Do you trust? Do you trust? Eric Weddles's opinion on this?
29:13
Speaker 2: Steve Saunders, former strengthened and conditioning coach for the Baltimore Ravens,
29:18
Speaker 2: from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty three, is now the
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Speaker 2: Director of Football Sports Performance at the University of Utah.
29:26
Speaker 2: Same day and shout out to our guy, mister Patakiao.
29:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're breaking the news for the Salt Lake Tribune.
29:33
Speaker 4: He broke the news for the trip. He was on
29:35
Speaker 4: it before anyone else was on it.
29:38
Speaker 2: And he got a no comment from Greg august which,
29:41
Speaker 2: knowing what I know about Augusta, I'm gonna find I'm
29:46
Speaker 2: gonna get a comment. It's probably we're gonna get a comment.
29:48
Speaker 2: I don't know if it'll be on the record, but
29:50
Speaker 2: I can't wait to talk to him. But him just
29:52
Speaker 2: throwing a no comment out there is telling for me
29:55
Speaker 2: that this was not the easiest smooth transition of power
30:01
Speaker 2: to Steve Saunders.
30:02
Speaker 3: Maybe not fully voluntary, maybe not.
30:07
Speaker 2: I don't want to say anything before I talked to
30:09
Speaker 2: the necessary people. But Steve Saunders, former NFL guy, is
30:16
Speaker 2: now your director of strength and Conditioning sports Performance. He's
30:22
Speaker 2: your strength coach. Eight seven seven three five three zero
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Speaker 2: seven hundred. Tell me how you feel about it. Is
30:30
Speaker 2: the endorsement of Eric Weddle enough for you to say,
30:33
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna question it is the fact that even
30:36
Speaker 2: if Weddell was not involved, if Morgan Scalley just says, no,
30:39
Speaker 2: this is my guy, this is who I remember. Morgan
30:41
Speaker 2: Scalley is also the one who grave gave Greg Argus
30:44
Speaker 2: the head coaching job when Elsi and his staff left.
30:48
Speaker 3: So this is this is a change.
30:52
Speaker 2: You hired a guy and then a few months later
30:55
Speaker 2: a different decision, whether it was his decision, your decision,
30:59
Speaker 2: your mutual decision, and something else happened here this there's
31:05
Speaker 2: some indecision that happened in this process. And Steve Saunders
31:10
Speaker 2: is the new guy. How much do you trust it?
31:13
Speaker 2: As a Utah football fan? And by the way, it's
31:15
Speaker 2: so hard to gauge into, like strength and conditioning more
31:20
Speaker 2: than anything else, is one of those things where you're
31:23
Speaker 2: just like, well, I can't exactly greet it on the
31:26
Speaker 2: first few practices that I that I'm out there, Steve
31:29
Speaker 2: Saunders work. The nature of it is not that like, hey,
31:32
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, everyone runs four four forties.
31:37
Speaker 4: No one gets hurt this year, Like that's not necessarily
31:40
Speaker 4: the case.
31:41
Speaker 2: Like if somebody breaks their leg, are you gonna blame
31:45
Speaker 2: Steve Saunders?
31:46
Speaker 3: You might, and you'd be incorrect in doing so.
31:49
Speaker 2: If twelve different guys have ten tonitis issues and miss
31:53
Speaker 2: time because of it, then you are going to question
31:55
Speaker 2: and probably rightfully so. But it's gonna take time for this,
32:00
Speaker 2: and Argus did not give himself or it was not
32:03
Speaker 2: given that time to see if he could do better
32:06
Speaker 2: than Doug Alisia had done as well as Doug Alisia
32:08
Speaker 2: had done.
32:09
Speaker 3: Whatever, it's a this.
32:12
Speaker 2: This is a big, big deal that is not gonna
32:14
Speaker 2: get a ton of headlines outside of the state of
32:16
Speaker 2: Utah and not gonna get talked about a ton probably
32:21
Speaker 2: outside of the Utah station. But Steve Saunders, under any
32:26
Speaker 2: other circumstance, if you can bring in a guy who
32:28
Speaker 2: is the head strength coach for a very successful NFL
32:32
Speaker 2: franchise to be part of your college deal, that's a win, right.
32:37
Speaker 3: This timing, this.
32:39
Speaker 2: Circumstance, the group chats that are blowing up with alumni
32:43
Speaker 2: makes it a little bit different for me.
32:47
Speaker 3: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred.
32:49
Speaker 2: Tell me what you think your reaction to the news
32:51
Speaker 2: that Utah's got a new strength coach. Gotta take a break.
32:54
Speaker 2: We're gonna come back with Gordy Chiesa. We're gonna dive
32:56
Speaker 2: back into this Utah strength and Utah football conversation.
33:00
Speaker 3: More Mammoth conversation coming up.
33:02
Speaker 2: We're just getting rolling on a Tuesday ESPN seven hundred
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Speaker 2: and ninety twofm He's out.
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Speaker 1: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
33:15
Speaker 1: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
33:19
Speaker 1: NBA than any of us will ever know.
33:21
Speaker 3: Let's not get crazy.
33:22
Speaker 1: Come for the hoops talk, stay for his list of
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Speaker 1: the day, My list today. Here's oc with basketball sabat
33:28
Speaker 1: Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell shown.
33:35
Speaker 2: Welcome here, Gordy Chiasa, our resident NBA Google brought to
33:39
Speaker 2: you by Latin Industries, your Utah v Lux Steeler.
33:42
Speaker 3: Gordy, how are you, sir, Sean.
33:45
Speaker 5: I'm doing well. I'm recovering from last night's hockey game
33:48
Speaker 5: where I watched the left half in the overtime and
33:51
Speaker 5: my body still hurts watching it.
33:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think painful for a lot of reasons, for
33:56
Speaker 2: all of us, and interestingly, Gordy, I feel I though
34:00
Speaker 2: I have neglected the NBA playoffs because of what's happening
34:04
Speaker 2: with NHL hockey here in our home market. You know,
34:07
Speaker 2: I'm I'm watching the rest of the Western Conference.
34:11
Speaker 3: I'm watching the Utah Mammoth.
34:12
Speaker 2: I'm taking my notes, and then I'm like, oh, wait
34:15
Speaker 2: a second, what's what's to say on Sports Center? It
34:18
Speaker 2: says that the Orlando Magic might knock off the number
34:21
Speaker 2: one seed in the East.
34:23
Speaker 3: What's going on with the Magic and the Pistons?
34:26
Speaker 5: Gordion Tommy Yere as far as basketball and hockey, and
34:30
Speaker 5: let's the one catch where it is always in playoffs
34:33
Speaker 5: is intensity and execution. And whether it's hockey, whether it's
34:36
Speaker 5: basketball or the NFL, it doesn't matter.
34:40
Speaker 2: So give me a sense of what's going on in
34:43
Speaker 2: this Magic versus Pistons series.
34:47
Speaker 5: Well, the first thing is that the defense is so
34:50
Speaker 5: fierce on both teams that nobody can score. So last night,
34:54
Speaker 5: the winning team, the Magic won at home ninety four
34:57
Speaker 5: eighty eighth Sewan, where the Magic shot from the field
35:01
Speaker 5: a very icy thirty three percent and they won the game.
35:05
Speaker 5: And the two star players of Power Banko and Jalen
35:10
Speaker 5: Subbs combined shoot five for thirty one and their team
35:13
Speaker 5: still won. And the reason why they won is because
35:16
Speaker 5: the Pistons they had no answers As far as scoring
35:19
Speaker 5: the ball themselves, they shot an icy thirty eight percent.
35:23
Speaker 5: But the worst part about it they committed twenty turnovers,
35:27
Speaker 5: and that's on. You can't do that. You cannot have
35:31
Speaker 5: high turn of a ratio and win a playoff game
35:34
Speaker 5: because every possession does matter, and that's what they're doing it.
35:36
Speaker 5: So the Magic point of view in the big picture
35:39
Speaker 5: is that they're going to try to attempt to knock
35:41
Speaker 5: off the first seed. They're the eight seed, the Magic,
35:44
Speaker 5: and it'll be the Magic's first If they do this,
35:47
Speaker 5: it will be their first playoff series win in sixteen years,
35:50
Speaker 5: since twenty ten. So they're doing it on defense and Detroit,
35:56
Speaker 5: even though they won fifty games this past season, which
35:59
Speaker 5: is commendable, they're being exposed their lack of what just
36:04
Speaker 5: overall scoring the ball might escape cunning him and so
36:08
Speaker 5: they got to address that. Quote. If they get past
36:11
Speaker 5: this round, which will be miracle by them, would be a miracle,
36:14
Speaker 5: but if next next offseason, they've got to address that.
36:17
Speaker 5: As far as their offensive in neptness, I know you.
36:21
Speaker 2: Already talked about the low shooting percentage for both teams here,
36:24
Speaker 2: but for Cunningham, who is the number one scoring option
36:27
Speaker 2: for Detroit. What he was seven to twenty three from
36:30
Speaker 2: the field, three of eleven from the three point line
36:34
Speaker 2: going to the regular field goals?
36:36
Speaker 3: Is it a shot selection problem for him?
36:39
Speaker 2: A cold night where you just kind of there's a
36:41
Speaker 2: lid on the rim and there's nothing really to explain it.
36:44
Speaker 2: When you see that kind of performance out of a
36:46
Speaker 2: guy who your team needs to score, is there a
36:49
Speaker 2: way to improve it with coaching, with practice, with execution.
36:54
Speaker 5: Well, one execution but two more shots unbalanced? So the
36:58
Speaker 5: physicality when you're a star player in the NBA, as
37:02
Speaker 5: far as a scorer, the defense is so trying to
37:06
Speaker 5: take away your easier looks. So I call this all
37:09
Speaker 5: the time with most star players. It's a blend of
37:13
Speaker 5: ballet and wrestling during the game. And that the people
37:18
Speaker 5: are is that can overcome that. They mess the booth
37:20
Speaker 5: arts form where they can score the ball airborne, where
37:24
Speaker 5: yet they can still raw with people in the lane,
37:28
Speaker 5: and so you have to understand that they're trying to
37:30
Speaker 5: stop you. It's a ballet and wrestling on the same possession,
37:34
Speaker 5: and so you've got to be able to score through physicality.
37:39
Speaker 5: And it's a learning experience showing and it's painful. And
37:43
Speaker 5: that's what the playoffs. There's nothing regular but the NBA playoffs.
37:47
Speaker 5: During a regular season, it's a love fest. I call it.
37:50
Speaker 5: Everybody's shooting threes, it's a you know, most teams in
37:53
Speaker 5: star players, they're free flowing. You get to the playoffs,
37:57
Speaker 5: it's absolutely a half court game, and it's and you
38:00
Speaker 5: have to be strong mentally and physically.
38:03
Speaker 2: With that in mind, Gordy, how many teams have the
38:08
Speaker 2: experience in the play because if you're playing the regular
38:11
Speaker 2: season a certain way and then the game shifts so
38:14
Speaker 2: dramatically when you get to playoff basketball, how many teams
38:18
Speaker 2: are equipped for that, like you said, either mentally or physically, all.
38:24
Speaker 5: Right, And the Easter would be the Celts absolutely, and
38:28
Speaker 5: the half of the Knicks, a half of them, and
38:31
Speaker 5: besides the half in the West, it's the Thunder, the
38:38
Speaker 5: TA Wolves, the Lakers, half of the Nuggets, and a
38:43
Speaker 5: half of the Spurs. And I'd say the Spurs only
38:48
Speaker 5: half because the talent level is really high. They haven't
38:50
Speaker 5: done it yet and so let's make some un given
38:53
Speaker 5: them a half. The t Wolves, believe it or not,
38:55
Speaker 5: the way they play, they're physical and even though they
38:58
Speaker 5: show their heart and courage. I know they lost last
39:01
Speaker 5: night because the Nuggets showed what they're all about. But
39:05
Speaker 5: before that happening is that the t Wolves. Let's not forget,
39:10
Speaker 5: they advanced the conference finals back to back seasons, so
39:13
Speaker 5: they know what it takes the events to each round
39:16
Speaker 5: and they've showed their level of physicality, and now the
39:19
Speaker 5: question is can he do it on Thursday night again
39:21
Speaker 5: at home? Now, when they're going to try to attempt
39:24
Speaker 5: to knock out the Devin Nuggets in their world, they're
39:28
Speaker 5: going to say, we're not going to cooperate because last
39:30
Speaker 5: night's game showing the Nuggets and the t Wolves was
39:33
Speaker 5: really an amazing game because of the chiews lose the game,
39:38
Speaker 5: they commit twenty five turnovers. So getting back about the Pistons,
39:43
Speaker 5: they had twenty five turnovers. You can't win on the road.
39:47
Speaker 5: And with that said, though, there's always an X factor
39:50
Speaker 5: by players, and last night for the Devin Nuggets, it
39:55
Speaker 5: was Spencer Jones shown undrafted guy in twenty twenty four
39:59
Speaker 5: out of Stanford. He gets twenty points in thirty seven minutes,
40:04
Speaker 5: but its house got them out of the offense. It's
40:06
Speaker 5: four for five and freeze three steals and three blocks
40:10
Speaker 5: and even worse than that Sewan. They add to this.
40:13
Speaker 5: He was in a two way contract until this year,
40:16
Speaker 5: until February nineteenth, so he got promoted from two way
40:20
Speaker 5: to a regular standard contract where he makes the rest
40:23
Speaker 5: of the season. This year. He makes up six hundred
40:26
Speaker 5: and twenty three thousand dollars in ninety ninety six, ninety
40:32
Speaker 5: apartment six, twenty three, ninety sixty seven this season. Let's
40:39
Speaker 5: put in contexts former Jazz man who lost in the
40:44
Speaker 5: first round the Phoenix Suns, Grayson Allen, makes this year
40:48
Speaker 5: sixteen point eight million dollars. So I'm putting context purposely
40:52
Speaker 5: so that your listener is going to stand this. So
40:54
Speaker 5: Spencer Jones earned this contract. Shawn all in one seat
41:00
Speaker 5: only one game by helping the Nuggets to hang in
41:05
Speaker 5: there to try to get to a game. In their
41:07
Speaker 5: World Game six and Game seven.
41:11
Speaker 3: We saw Victor Wembinyama back in action. He looked awesome.
41:16
Speaker 3: Seven blocks.
41:17
Speaker 2: He was also critical of the concussion protocols in the NBA,
41:22
Speaker 2: and it's fascinating when I hear somebody like him kind
41:26
Speaker 2: of pushing back a little bit on league policy having
41:28
Speaker 2: something to say because he's emerging as the face of
41:31
Speaker 2: the league. He's one of the few guys that I
41:34
Speaker 2: think the NBA wants to make sure they stay in
41:36
Speaker 2: good graces with and they want to have a great
41:38
Speaker 2: relationship with. You know a lot more about concussion protocols
41:42
Speaker 2: and the way that things can or cannot be manipulated.
41:45
Speaker 2: But when you've got a megastar player like that saying
41:48
Speaker 2: I could have played in the last game, I don't
41:50
Speaker 2: like the way that this stuff is being handled. Does
41:53
Speaker 2: it trigger some type of evaluation in the league office
41:56
Speaker 2: or how does it work?
41:57
Speaker 5: No, not at all. The League office is stead about
42:00
Speaker 5: that this is people's careers, and so there the doctors know,
42:05
Speaker 5: and so did the athletic trainers. So there's a protocol
42:09
Speaker 5: you have to pass each day as far as movement,
42:13
Speaker 5: running cognitive tests, it's all predetermined, and that the doctors
42:19
Speaker 5: are there and they're ministering the test and then they
42:22
Speaker 5: report it back to the NBA. I'm glad they have
42:24
Speaker 5: the concussion. So you know, in the NFL, are you
42:27
Speaker 5: kidding me? In the NFL, wherever you play, there's a collision,
42:30
Speaker 5: And we also went beyond. But when he fell, he
42:32
Speaker 5: hit face first on that ground, and that so he again,
42:37
Speaker 5: he's a young fella. I get he wants to play,
42:39
Speaker 5: which is commendable. I want to help my team. I'm okay. Yeah,
42:43
Speaker 5: he's okay as far as walking around maybe an off
42:46
Speaker 5: day at the mall, but not playing an NBA game.
42:49
Speaker 5: Now he's going to play. He's going to play next game,
42:52
Speaker 5: and he's fine, and that's good. So it's for a
42:55
Speaker 5: reason they do that for because we know about brain
42:58
Speaker 5: brain injuries. They want to be very very conscious of it,
43:01
Speaker 5: and the NBA, like all other professional teams, they are.
43:05
Speaker 5: I'm all for it.
43:07
Speaker 2: Spurs Blazer's tips off Tonight's san Antonio could close it out.
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Speaker 3: Do you think they will?
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Speaker 5: Yes? Yes, they have a tremendous team, good coaching, tremendous camaraderie.
43:22
Speaker 5: They play as a unity. I think they're going to
43:25
Speaker 5: close it out. But also the Trailblazers up and coming team.
43:29
Speaker 5: Dani Avdia is an absolute potential. I call him a
43:32
Speaker 5: right handed monogynobili. The way he plays Leshi in playoff games.
43:36
Speaker 5: He drives that ball to the basket. He hustles, he
43:39
Speaker 5: makes shots, he blocks, he gets steals. He's a hapig player.
43:43
Speaker 5: Just like to know who he was and he's right handed.
43:46
Speaker 5: So the and Jazz Basketball and they go forward, they've
43:50
Speaker 5: got to beat the Trailblazers see lest Year and Jazz
43:53
Speaker 5: Basketball in their division, they finished one in fifteen. So
43:57
Speaker 5: again it's who you play against the Jazz Division the listeners,
44:01
Speaker 5: should we remind them the dem and Nuggets, Minnesota Templewolves,
44:05
Speaker 5: pulland Trail Places and the Okase Thunder And so the
44:09
Speaker 5: Jazz are in a tough division, I mean both physically
44:12
Speaker 5: and with a lot of good players in their prime
44:15
Speaker 5: or younger guys they're entering their prime. So the Jats
44:19
Speaker 5: are going to play catch up. They think they can,
44:21
Speaker 5: and now the question is when it's going to happen.
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Speaker 2: Gordy Chase is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show,
44:27
Speaker 2: talking all things NBA for a couple more minutes. Here,
44:31
Speaker 2: we were having this conversation about the Stanley Cup playoffs,
44:35
Speaker 2: because you know, Utah had a chance to go up
44:37
Speaker 2: three to one last night. Instead it's two to two.
44:40
Speaker 2: Extends the series. They'll be playing at least until Friday,
44:43
Speaker 2: maybe even beyond. And you know, in the NBA, you've
44:46
Speaker 2: got a team that's already closed out a series. You've
44:49
Speaker 2: got another one in the first round that's going to
44:51
Speaker 2: go seven games. Where do you stand on the advantages
44:56
Speaker 2: or disadvantages of finishingies early and then having to wait.
45:05
Speaker 5: For reess is important, So I'm all for it. Knock
45:08
Speaker 5: them out. So don't play around and say that let's
45:11
Speaker 5: not win on the road. Let's only went at home.
45:13
Speaker 5: As far as the knockout game, no, get it done.
45:16
Speaker 5: And there's so much it's a mental preparation for it.
45:19
Speaker 5: So if you can have knocked somebody out, it's advantageous
45:23
Speaker 5: to rest your bodies. Remember if people say, well, what
45:26
Speaker 5: about the rust factor, meaning you haven't played like we'll
45:29
Speaker 5: say next round and say five or six, seven days,
45:33
Speaker 5: there's so many games before that. The players know how
45:36
Speaker 5: to get themselves ready to play. Rest is absolutely paramount.
45:40
Speaker 5: And this member, now, you started practice in the dog
45:43
Speaker 5: days of September thirtieth or so, in the beginning showing
45:47
Speaker 5: of the NFL season. But in context now it's already
45:51
Speaker 5: NFL's over. Hockey is in the playoffs right now, and
45:55
Speaker 5: baseball's already starting as far as the first month of
45:57
Speaker 5: the season. So it's better to win and rest.
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Speaker 2: All right, Gordie Uh, what's your most interested? What game
46:09
Speaker 2: draws the most interest tonight for you? I already asked
46:11
Speaker 2: you about the Spurs, and maybe it's that one, But
46:13
Speaker 2: which one are you going to be most styled in on?
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Speaker 5: Next? A Lander at New York and The Master of Garden.
46:20
Speaker 5: It's too too Sean. They don't like them each other,
46:24
Speaker 5: which is good, perfect last game and game in Game
46:29
Speaker 5: of three, I'm sorry, Game four, pardon me, is the
46:34
Speaker 5: Knicks rander offense through call Anthony Towns versus running it
46:39
Speaker 5: through Jalen Brunson. And so what happened during that game
46:43
Speaker 5: is that everybody got more involved, including Brunson, and so
46:47
Speaker 5: they hit a hit Anthony Towns at the elbow or
46:51
Speaker 5: the high post or just swinging the ball to him,
46:54
Speaker 5: and he had a triple double. But more importantly, there
46:56
Speaker 5: was more cutting, there was less dribbling. So I'm fascinated
47:00
Speaker 5: to see if the Knicks use that formula again where
47:04
Speaker 5: less pick and roll with Brunson, who's tremendous though, and
47:08
Speaker 5: more just Anthony Towns and his trusted teammates. As far
47:12
Speaker 5: as a ball fluidity, where the balls hoppen, the defense
47:16
Speaker 5: is fierce, so you have to cut you just can't
47:19
Speaker 5: be stationary. It's much easier to guard somebody if they're
47:23
Speaker 5: flat footed versus somebody what set up, cutting back, cutting
47:27
Speaker 5: elbow reactions, playing the game as far as a unit,
47:32
Speaker 5: and so I'm looking forward to see that. From Atlanta's
47:35
Speaker 5: point of view, they're good. They play hard, Atlanta, they
47:38
Speaker 5: have tremendous defensive players. Can they take away and they
47:43
Speaker 5: take away Anthony Towns some of his easy catches until
47:46
Speaker 5: longate the moves? And also can the Hawks right now
47:50
Speaker 5: we discovered at their outfense and it's gonna be interesting game.
47:53
Speaker 5: In the Garden game five, there's nothing like it and
47:56
Speaker 5: Massaquare Garden, the intensity is incredible. Again, both teams on
48:00
Speaker 5: like each other as to make it so special. What's
48:04
Speaker 5: your list today, Gordyr list today, Sean is a very
48:07
Speaker 5: short list because it hardly ever happens. And I have
48:10
Speaker 5: one question to you about the NFL. At the end
48:13
Speaker 5: of the list, here we go. The ultimate trifector of
48:17
Speaker 5: a single season, and NBA basketball is the ultimate trifector
48:22
Speaker 5: that is winning the league MVP, winning the NBA Finals MVP,
48:28
Speaker 5: and the NBA Championship in the same season. So you
48:32
Speaker 5: win the league MVP, the finals MVP and your team
48:37
Speaker 5: wins the NBA Championship. It only happens very few times.
48:41
Speaker 5: Here we are last season Shaye kills Alexander he won
48:47
Speaker 5: all three and twenty twenty five in nineteen seventy. Willis
48:52
Speaker 5: s Reed did it in nineteen ninety four. A team
48:56
Speaker 5: Alashuwan did it in two thousand and three. Tim duncan
49:00
Speaker 5: did it in two thousand. Shaquille O'Neal did it in
49:05
Speaker 5: nineteen eighty seven, Magic Johnson did it. All these guys
49:09
Speaker 5: did it one time. Lebron James had did it twice
49:13
Speaker 5: in twenty twelve and twenty thirteen. Larry Bird also did
49:18
Speaker 5: it twice in nineteen eighty four in nineteen eighty six,
49:22
Speaker 5: And the only player ever to do it more than
49:24
Speaker 5: twice is Michael Jordan. He did it four times in
49:29
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety one, nineteen ninety two, nineteen ninety six, and
49:35
Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety eight. So it's an elite list of
49:40
Speaker 5: very few people that are ever to do it. And
49:43
Speaker 5: before I add to this list, as far as that
49:45
Speaker 5: Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain might have been it many a time,
49:49
Speaker 5: but the MVP of the NBA finalsn't wasn't established until
49:55
Speaker 5: nineteen sixty nine, so we never know how many times
49:59
Speaker 5: Bill Russe, a World Champlin would have won the trifector
50:02
Speaker 5: of the League MVP, the NBA Finals and the league championship.
50:07
Speaker 5: Now victor win Byamba, question Mark and Sha Jos Alexander,
50:12
Speaker 5: it's going to happen with those guys, probably will win
50:16
Speaker 5: multiple league MVPs, finals MVPs and perhaps league championships. So
50:23
Speaker 5: that's the list. So few people ever to do that
50:27
Speaker 5: the NBA trifector, right, Jun, How many times did Tom
50:31
Speaker 5: Brady do the exact same thing of winning the league
50:36
Speaker 5: MVP and the Super Bowl MVP.
50:42
Speaker 3: And the Super Bowl MVP? Yes, so he won.
50:46
Speaker 2: How many times did Tom Brady win NFL MVP, Super
50:49
Speaker 2: Bowl MVP and win the Super Bowl in the same
50:51
Speaker 2: year and.
50:52
Speaker 5: The same season? Correct?
50:54
Speaker 3: Zero?
50:56
Speaker 5: That is correct, That's exactly right. He never did in
50:59
Speaker 5: the same seat. He won five Super Bowls MVP and
51:03
Speaker 5: he went pre league MVPs, but never in the same season.
51:08
Speaker 5: That's how hard it is. So Brady, the greatest football
51:11
Speaker 5: player of all time, had never did that ever, Well,
51:15
Speaker 5: there was it in basketball. It just shows you how
51:17
Speaker 5: hard it is to do.
51:18
Speaker 2: There was like a twenty year stretch, twenty plus year
51:20
Speaker 2: stretch in the NFL where winning NFL MVP was a
51:24
Speaker 2: curse that meant you weren't going to win the Super Bowl.
51:27
Speaker 5: Yeah very much. And by the way, because the other
51:30
Speaker 5: guys are good or you play against in the postseason
51:33
Speaker 5: as it makes it so special. So Jordan did it
51:35
Speaker 5: four times, Bird twice, Lebron twice, Victor went beyond the
51:42
Speaker 5: zero question books, Let's Future Out and Shay from the
51:46
Speaker 5: OKC thunder had did last show one time, Let's feature
51:51
Speaker 5: out and Jazz Basketball. They're going to try to play
51:53
Speaker 5: catch up and be in a list someday.
51:56
Speaker 3: Gordy, I'm going to ask you this.
51:57
Speaker 2: We're going to get to it a little bit later
51:58
Speaker 2: in the show, but I want to ask you now
52:00
Speaker 2: so I can add your opinion to the context here.
52:03
Speaker 2: So it's a college football question. Brendan Soresby, I'm sure
52:08
Speaker 2: you saw this. Cincinnati quarterback transferring to Texas Tech is
52:12
Speaker 2: under investigation.
52:13
Speaker 3: He's checking into rehab.
52:15
Speaker 2: He's admitted to having a severe gambling addiction, and he's
52:19
Speaker 2: been betting on college sports, including his own teams in
52:23
Speaker 2: college sports. How should this be handled for a twenty
52:27
Speaker 2: two year old kid who's been doing this since he
52:29
Speaker 2: was you know, at least twenty, probably before that. But
52:32
Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of bets on college and pro sports
52:36
Speaker 2: for someone that age. And he's got another year of
52:39
Speaker 2: eligibility to play at Texas Tech, unless, of course, they
52:43
Speaker 2: choose to not let him.
52:44
Speaker 3: How should it be handled well and get counseling.
52:48
Speaker 5: And two he should forfeit his lecture of eligibility. You
52:52
Speaker 5: can't have that because the integrity of the sport. I'm
52:56
Speaker 5: not being naive. You can bet, but you can't bet
53:00
Speaker 5: on your own team, et cetera. You can't do that,
53:02
Speaker 5: whether it's pro or college.
53:06
Speaker 3: All right, remember everyone that Gordy said that.
53:09
Speaker 2: When we get to the conversation later on the show
53:11
Speaker 2: about Brendan Soresby and the latest revelation in that NCAA investigation, Gordia,
53:16
Speaker 2: I always appreciate your time, sir, Thank you very much.
53:19
Speaker 5: And it's Sean. You're my ultimate trifecta.
53:21
Speaker 3: You are, that's right. I have won.
53:25
Speaker 2: Almost nothing, next to nothing, and practically nothing all in
53:30
Speaker 2: the same year many times. Interesting, Sean, that's Gordy Chiesa James.
53:39
Speaker 2: How many NFL players have pulled off that trifecta.
53:43
Speaker 3: I was just trying to figure that out in my head.
53:45
Speaker 3: You're the kite, like you're you're our own version of
53:48
Speaker 3: the Swami.
53:48
Speaker 4: So I don't know that off the top of my head,
53:51
Speaker 4: but I have gone. I've just started to go through
53:53
Speaker 4: the past couple of years. It hasn't happened at least
53:56
Speaker 4: in the past four or five years. But Patrick Mahome
54:00
Speaker 4: did it in twenty twenty two. Super Bowl was twenty
54:02
Speaker 4: twenty two. That's right, he was an MVP that year. Huh,
54:04
Speaker 4: he's the one. He's the one who broke the streak.
54:07
Speaker 2: There was like twenty three years or something where if
54:10
Speaker 2: you won the NFL, NBC.
54:11
Speaker 3: Hurt Warner before him. Yes, it was wow.
54:15
Speaker 4: So you just gotta give me a little nugget information
54:18
Speaker 4: then the brain then the brain starts working.
54:20
Speaker 3: All right, seven guys have done it. Oh man, I
54:23
Speaker 3: don't know if I can do all seven. I couldn't
54:26
Speaker 3: do all seven either.
54:26
Speaker 2: I know that Joe Montana and Steve Young both did it.
54:30
Speaker 4: Was it who's the oldest one to do? Like it
54:32
Speaker 4: was the farthest back we gotta go. I think it's
54:35
Speaker 4: Bart Starr. Okay, so like the very beginning of the NFL. Gotcha,
54:39
Speaker 4: hold on, let me see here. I'm just Super Bowl
54:41
Speaker 4: era anyway.
54:43
Speaker 2: NFL Super Bowl, super Bowl MVP and NFL MVP twenty
54:48
Speaker 2: twenty two, Patrick Mahomes nineteen ninety nine, Kurt Warner nineteen
54:53
Speaker 2: ninety six, Brett Farv nineteen ninety four, Steve Young nineteen
54:58
Speaker 2: ninety three. And it's myth Joe Montana in eighty nine,
55:02
Speaker 2: Terry Bradshaw in seventy eight, and Bart Starr in nineteen
55:07
Speaker 2: sixty six.
55:09
Speaker 4: Well, Tom Brady's overrated, that's what That's what we decided here,
55:12
Speaker 4: and that Phil Belichick was the reason for the for
55:16
Speaker 4: the dynasty in New England.
55:17
Speaker 2: Not all right, well Brady, that's I guess that's what
55:19
Speaker 2: we decided here. Strong conclusion.
55:21
Speaker 4: I don't want to I don't want to hear you
55:23
Speaker 4: say anything about how Peyton Manning didn't win either.
55:25
Speaker 3: But that's fine. We can just move on from that.
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Speaker 4: All right, by the way, you know who also wasn't
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Speaker 4: at Big will Who who I saw at the game?
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Speaker 4: We had a nice, nice greeting to each other, nice
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Speaker 4: solo to each other. Michelle from Big Willies. Oh yeah, Yeah,
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Speaker 4: she was at the game. That's awesome.
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Speaker 3: I didn't see Pat.
57:13
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was like a girls' night
57:15
Speaker 4: kind of a game, or if I just or if
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Speaker 4: I just didn't see Pat with her.
57:19
Speaker 3: She was, she was in the concourse.
57:21
Speaker 2: Well, to be fair, if if they're together, your eyes
57:25
Speaker 2: are drawn to Michelle more than they're drawn to Pat.
57:28
Speaker 2: That's a good point, you know, they that's by design.
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Speaker 2: Pat's done well for himself in that regard. We're gonna
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Speaker 2: double up here. Mike Folta, the radio voice of the
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Speaker 2: Utah Mammoth, is going to join us on the other
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Speaker 2: side talk about last night's overtime loss, and of course
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Speaker 1: The Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoc Chevrolet Studio of
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Speaker 1: ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one half am.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to our number two here on the Sean O'Conner Show.
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Speaker 2: Welcome in Mike fulta radio voice of the Utah Mammoth
58:20
Speaker 2: and a man who I mean, he probably sounds better
58:23
Speaker 2: than I do.
58:23
Speaker 3: I don't know.
58:23
Speaker 2: I don't have an excuse, but that was a loud
58:25
Speaker 2: one last night, even with the mic right in front
58:28
Speaker 2: of his face. I imagine he had to get loud
58:30
Speaker 2: in order to be heard over that Delta Center crowd.
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Speaker 3: Mike Fult, Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show. How are you?
58:36
Speaker 6: Oh see? Great to talk to Milk, peanut butter and
58:40
Speaker 6: English muffins. That's how you wind down and go to
58:43
Speaker 6: bed after a crazy night. And that's what I was
58:48
Speaker 6: pounding last night at about two AM, trying to fall
58:51
Speaker 6: asleep after what was one of the craziest games we've
58:54
Speaker 6: seen at the Delta Center, at least on the ice
58:57
Speaker 6: for the Utah Man. It's five to four overtime loss,
59:00
Speaker 6: but a thriller and and afterwards a little glass of milk,
59:04
Speaker 6: some English muffin with some melted peanut butter on top,
59:07
Speaker 6: and that'll put you right out, no counting sheep.
59:10
Speaker 3: For me, I think we.
59:11
Speaker 2: Just became best friends. That sounds exactly like my kind
59:14
Speaker 2: of a post work snack. That's lovely, Well done to you, sir,
59:18
Speaker 2: so I look, let's let's talk about the game, and
59:21
Speaker 2: then I want to get into some of the more
59:23
Speaker 2: big picture stuff with this Utah Mammoth team. They go
59:26
Speaker 2: down three nothing, and the context of heading into this
59:32
Speaker 2: game knowing you could go up and take it, take
59:35
Speaker 2: control of the series at three to one, there's a
59:38
Speaker 2: certain amount of pressure that comes with that. But then
59:42
Speaker 2: you go down three nothing and you could lay down,
59:45
Speaker 2: You could be like, oh man, all right, we'll get
59:47
Speaker 2: them next time. What did you see from this team
59:50
Speaker 2: after they dug themselves a hole that still makes you
59:54
Speaker 2: believe they can win the series?
59:57
Speaker 6: Well, that's just the thing, Seanasa. I was starting to
1:00:00
Speaker 6: to pull out the joke book in the period period two.
1:00:03
Speaker 6: I was like, we're gonna have to start entertaining the
1:00:05
Speaker 6: fans in different ways than just calling the game, because
1:00:08
Speaker 6: the game ain't going so well. Man has went down
1:00:10
Speaker 6: three nothing, as you said, and Logan Cooley takes a
1:00:13
Speaker 6: bad penalty, and I'm thinking, okay, here comes this is
1:00:17
Speaker 6: this is when the wagon wheels fall off. We'll get
1:00:19
Speaker 6: them in game five. But no, the man has turned
1:00:23
Speaker 6: on the Jets and brought it to within one at
1:00:25
Speaker 6: the end of the second period. And then, I mean,
1:00:28
Speaker 6: I gotta be honest with you, I don't know if
1:00:30
Speaker 6: I've ever felt anything like I felt before when Michael
1:00:34
Speaker 6: Carconi tied the game at three, and then when Clayton
1:00:37
Speaker 6: Keller gave Utah the lead in the third period. And look,
1:00:42
Speaker 6: there's no such things as moral victories. It's the Stanley
1:00:45
Speaker 6: Cup playoffs is all or nothing, right, you don't get
1:00:47
Speaker 6: any standings points for going to overtime. You either win
1:00:51
Speaker 6: or you don't. And we all walked away from the
1:00:54
Speaker 6: Delta Center disappointed with the results last night. But I
1:01:00
Speaker 6: think the Mammocks learned something about themselves in these high
1:01:03
Speaker 6: pressure moments that even staring at what seems like an
1:01:07
Speaker 6: impossible mountain, they can climb their way back. Now they
1:01:10
Speaker 6: don't want to fall behind three to zero again in
1:01:13
Speaker 6: any of the next games, especially tomorrow, night in Game
1:01:17
Speaker 6: five on the road, in a pivotal game. But this
1:01:21
Speaker 6: is I think last night was a performance that can
1:01:23
Speaker 6: instill some more belief and confidence in this group, knowing
1:01:26
Speaker 6: they can come back in game and knowing that they're
1:01:30
Speaker 6: good enough to erase these big deficits against the Golden
1:01:34
Speaker 6: Night team that's feeling it right now.
1:01:37
Speaker 2: I asked this question earlier on the show, and it
1:01:39
Speaker 2: was rhetorical. I have no real answer to it. You
1:01:41
Speaker 2: probably have a better shout of answering it for real
1:01:45
Speaker 2: because you've been so close to this team and on
1:01:47
Speaker 2: all these games. But how many times has in overtime,
1:01:51
Speaker 2: especially but in any kind of crucial situation, how many
1:01:54
Speaker 2: times this year have we seen Veggie lost in the
1:01:57
Speaker 2: crease with no stick? I mean, it just doesn't happen
1:02:01
Speaker 2: that often. And I don't recall seeing at anytime this year.
1:02:06
Speaker 2: How many times did you see it?
1:02:09
Speaker 6: I don't remember it a ton. I mean it was
1:02:11
Speaker 6: it was an unfortunate sequence for the Mammoth. I mean,
1:02:14
Speaker 6: there's a minute left in overtime, and and you know,
1:02:17
Speaker 6: give credit to the Golden Knights because they had they
1:02:19
Speaker 6: started to turn on a on the afterburners. They're in
1:02:22
Speaker 6: OT and they found a second gear and it looked
1:02:26
Speaker 6: like Ian Cole, one of Utah's really good defenseman who
1:02:29
Speaker 6: scored a goal in the game. Uh, he kind of
1:02:32
Speaker 6: bumped the stick out of Veggie's hands. And then without
1:02:35
Speaker 6: your goalstick, it's like not having a runner for a goaltender,
1:02:39
Speaker 6: Like they can still move around without it, but it's
1:02:42
Speaker 6: so it's so important to a goaltender's balance and their stance,
1:02:47
Speaker 6: and Veggie just couldn't get back and net. And you
1:02:50
Speaker 6: look at how overtime goals are scored in the playoffs,
1:02:54
Speaker 6: and very rarely is it a perfect tic tac toe
1:02:58
Speaker 6: passing play. Typically it's a it's a redirect that's going
1:03:01
Speaker 6: in off of somebody's backside, uh, or or just a
1:03:05
Speaker 6: crazy bounce. We saw a couple of nights ago and
1:03:09
Speaker 6: in Anaheim a controversial goal that barely crossed the goal line,
1:03:13
Speaker 6: and then it was a scrambled sequence in front of
1:03:15
Speaker 6: Amelka that that led to Vegas as Ot winners. So
1:03:19
Speaker 6: that's usually how it goes in OT. You know, the
1:03:22
Speaker 6: Golden Knights had a couple of those sequences in overtime
1:03:25
Speaker 6: and they were able to score on one and and
1:03:27
Speaker 6: that's all it takes. But I tell you what though,
1:03:30
Speaker 6: like we've we've seen some dramatic moments in the Delta
1:03:32
Speaker 6: Center this year, but knowing that it's all or nothing
1:03:37
Speaker 6: in overtime, that that's a different level of desperation and fandom.
1:03:41
Speaker 6: And that place was on fire last night.
1:03:44
Speaker 3: It was amazing.
1:03:45
Speaker 2: It was, I mean, wonderful game to watch as long
1:03:48
Speaker 2: as you Because you just mentioned redirects, there was there
1:03:51
Speaker 2: were a couple Golden Knights goals in this game last night,
1:03:55
Speaker 2: and it was howding and both of them that I'm
1:03:59
Speaker 2: trying to to equate the way he redirected the the
1:04:04
Speaker 2: I mean, this was not like him re angling the
1:04:08
Speaker 2: puck with his stick. He's plucking it out of mid
1:04:10
Speaker 2: air when it's going eighty miles an hour with his
1:04:13
Speaker 2: stick and bouncing it off the dang ice at shoulder level.
1:04:17
Speaker 2: I mean, these are not exactly high percentage redirects and goals,
1:04:21
Speaker 2: and he got two of them. So you're more of
1:04:24
Speaker 2: a hockey guy than I'll ever be. So like, if
1:04:28
Speaker 2: you had to do that a hundred times, how many
1:04:31
Speaker 2: times could he do it successfully?
1:04:33
Speaker 6: You'd be surprised. You'd be surprised. These guys practice it
1:04:36
Speaker 6: and a lot of times it's not a specific drill
1:04:39
Speaker 6: in practice where it's led by the coaches. A lot
1:04:43
Speaker 6: of those skilled things like you know, stick handling or
1:04:46
Speaker 6: pulling pucks off the wall or tipping pucks. A lot
1:04:50
Speaker 6: of times that guy's staying after in practice and working
1:04:53
Speaker 6: on that. And clearly Brett Howarden has worked on that.
1:04:57
Speaker 6: Cole Smith had a crazy tip the other night. I
1:04:59
Speaker 6: mean this that was going about ten feet wide and
1:05:02
Speaker 6: Smith tips it down off the ice and pass Smelka
1:05:05
Speaker 6: for one of one of Vegas's goals. But it's something
1:05:09
Speaker 6: that these guys have worked on their their entire lives.
1:05:11
Speaker 6: Remember these guys are skating since they're five years old.
1:05:13
Speaker 6: But like tipping Puss, I never played at a high level,
1:05:17
Speaker 6: so it's hard for me to fathom how these guys
1:05:20
Speaker 6: are so good at it. Imagine imagine you have like
1:05:23
Speaker 6: Shoho Tani throwing fastballs at you, and you're not just
1:05:26
Speaker 6: trying to hit the ball, You're trying to tip it
1:05:29
Speaker 6: past the catcher right like it's almost and the catcher's
1:05:33
Speaker 6: wearing twice as much as equipment, yes, as normal. So
1:05:36
Speaker 6: it's hard for normal people to understand. But these guys
1:05:40
Speaker 6: have done it their whole lives and and look, it doesn't.
1:05:43
Speaker 6: It doesn't work every time right. If it did, the
1:05:47
Speaker 6: hockey scores would look like football scores. But last night
1:05:49
Speaker 6: it was five to four. That's a high scoring game.
1:05:52
Speaker 6: It takes a lot for it to go right, but
1:05:54
Speaker 6: when it does, it looks like a masterpiece.
1:05:55
Speaker 2: I've decided that he must be like the most the
1:06:00
Speaker 2: most geometrically genius person I've ever seen in my life
1:06:04
Speaker 2: to be able to get the right angle on those
1:06:07
Speaker 2: two and put it. I mean, same thing he was
1:06:11
Speaker 2: the first one that he scored. It's not going anywhere
1:06:15
Speaker 2: near Vimelka. If he doesn't redirect it. It's like sailing
1:06:19
Speaker 2: past the goal. But yeah, it's what a specialized skill
1:06:22
Speaker 2: and sucks to be on the wrong end of it.
1:06:24
Speaker 2: But of course Utah scored plenty of goals this year
1:06:27
Speaker 2: that way as well. And that's something that we talked
1:06:30
Speaker 2: about after Game one, in the third period, especially of
1:06:33
Speaker 2: Game one, where Vegas kind of imposed their will and
1:06:37
Speaker 2: were physical, and it became clear that there was a
1:06:40
Speaker 2: disparity between how much traffic Vegas was putting in front
1:06:44
Speaker 2: of Vimelka versus you know, the other end where you're
1:06:49
Speaker 2: getting these beautiful, finesse sniper type goals and there's not
1:06:52
Speaker 2: as much of the sort of ugly rough stuff being
1:06:54
Speaker 2: played in front of Heart. And we saw I think
1:06:57
Speaker 2: an improvement on that in game two, one on that
1:07:00
Speaker 2: in game three. Is that something that you need to
1:07:03
Speaker 2: see this Utah Mammoth team get back to just ugly
1:07:06
Speaker 2: en up the waters in front of Heart and when
1:07:08
Speaker 2: he's in the crease.
1:07:10
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think they did to an extent last night.
1:07:12
Speaker 6: You look at the first goal, it was a it
1:07:15
Speaker 6: was a rebound off of Carter Hart that Nick Schmaltz
1:07:18
Speaker 6: picked up and stashed home to start the rally. And
1:07:21
Speaker 6: then there were other goals. You know, I'm thinking of
1:07:24
Speaker 6: the slap shot from Ian Cole that came just twenty
1:07:27
Speaker 6: nine seconds later. Alexander Kirkfoot doesn't get an assist on
1:07:30
Speaker 6: the play, but he's standing in front of the goaltender
1:07:33
Speaker 6: Carter Hart and taking away his eyes, and the defenseman
1:07:37
Speaker 6: that's standing next to Kerkfoot covering him is also taking
1:07:40
Speaker 6: away his own goaltender's eyes. So it's not always just
1:07:44
Speaker 6: getting these greasy goals. It's about, you know, making things
1:07:48
Speaker 6: difficult on the goaltender. Crowding that that crease area making
1:07:51
Speaker 6: him blocking his vision so he can't pick up these shots.
1:07:54
Speaker 6: Because Carter Hart has been solid this series when he's
1:07:58
Speaker 6: been able to see this shot. But when the Mammocks
1:08:01
Speaker 6: can get him moving a little bit and when they
1:08:03
Speaker 6: can take away his eyes, that's when Uta found found success.
1:08:07
Speaker 6: And and look, I think that's a big storyline in
1:08:10
Speaker 6: this series of goaltending and Carl me Milk has been
1:08:13
Speaker 6: pretty good. You hate to praise the goaltending too much
1:08:17
Speaker 6: after five to four game, but I think for the
1:08:20
Speaker 6: most part, but Milk has been good. And a lot
1:08:22
Speaker 6: of the goals that Vegas has scored have been on
1:08:24
Speaker 6: those tips or loose tucks in front, and you can't
1:08:28
Speaker 6: fault a goaltender too much because it usually doesn't have
1:08:31
Speaker 6: time to react to those types of shots. And then
1:08:33
Speaker 6: on the other end, you to scored four or more
1:08:36
Speaker 6: goals and back to back games now against Carter Hart,
1:08:39
Speaker 6: so you feel good about your ability to kind of
1:08:42
Speaker 6: solve the riddle that was Carter Hart in games one
1:08:45
Speaker 6: and two. Now the shots are starting to fall a
1:08:47
Speaker 6: little bit more. But I asked bear our head coach
1:08:51
Speaker 6: Andre Turney about the net front, and I thought it
1:08:53
Speaker 6: was a pretty good question. I thought it sounded really smart,
1:08:55
Speaker 6: and he kind of he kind of brushed off stand well,
1:08:58
Speaker 6: we can always be better. I think that's a constant
1:09:01
Speaker 6: focus for this team and a constant focus in this series.
1:09:05
Speaker 6: The nets run at both ends.
1:09:08
Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to be picking on JJ
1:09:11
Speaker 2: Peterka because I feel like I'm asking a lot of
1:09:13
Speaker 2: questions about him. He only played ten minutes last night,
1:09:17
Speaker 2: He had a penalty, he had a kind of a sloppy,
1:09:19
Speaker 2: ugly turnover. And this is a guy that we were
1:09:23
Speaker 2: all excited about the trade. I think he's got a
1:09:25
Speaker 2: ton of ability, and I just do we know what's
1:09:28
Speaker 2: going on with him?
1:09:29
Speaker 3: Is he slumping right now? Why?
1:09:31
Speaker 2: Why is JJ Peterca in this playoff run not not playing?
1:09:36
Speaker 3: I think to the level of his true ability at least.
1:09:39
Speaker 6: Found himself on the outside looking in in the second
1:09:42
Speaker 6: half of the game. That's that's for sure. He didn't
1:09:46
Speaker 6: take any ships, I don't thinking. I'm not sure if
1:09:49
Speaker 6: he took a ship in the third period. Definitely wasn't
1:09:51
Speaker 6: out there in overtime. And I think his line has
1:09:54
Speaker 6: struggled a little bit this series. The third line with
1:09:58
Speaker 6: him Kerfoot and Michael Carkoney. We saw car Cooney score
1:10:02
Speaker 6: a goal last night that got him going a little bit.
1:10:05
Speaker 6: We saw We've seen Kerfoot do a lot of the
1:10:08
Speaker 6: little things on that line, and for whatever reason, it
1:10:11
Speaker 6: just hasn't clicked in the postseason for JJ yet with
1:10:15
Speaker 6: those other two guys. And I think yet the flip
1:10:18
Speaker 6: side of that is Brandon tanne got promoted and kind
1:10:22
Speaker 6: of took JJ's spot on that line, and Tannav is
1:10:25
Speaker 6: maybe a little bit more rugged and built for the postseason.
1:10:29
Speaker 6: He hasn't scored a goal all year, but he's been
1:10:32
Speaker 6: poised with the puck and makes good decisions with the puck,
1:10:34
Speaker 6: and he's always heading north where sometimes JJ tries to
1:10:38
Speaker 6: make a play and it doesn't work out. And so
1:10:41
Speaker 6: I think part of it was JJ. The other part
1:10:43
Speaker 6: was Brandon Tannet playing well, and he's a really fast gator.
1:10:47
Speaker 6: He's played in the playoff the bunch before, is more
1:10:49
Speaker 6: experienced than paterka Is, and I thought he was effective
1:10:53
Speaker 6: and deserved that increase in nice time. But the thing
1:10:56
Speaker 6: with JJ is it doesn't take much to get him going.
1:10:59
Speaker 6: Like we might not call his name a whole lot
1:11:02
Speaker 6: on the radio, broadcast some nights, or maybe he only
1:11:05
Speaker 6: plays ten minutes tomorrow night in Game five. But his
1:11:09
Speaker 6: shot is so elite that when he's out there, you
1:11:12
Speaker 6: can't take your eyes off seventy seven because he can
1:11:15
Speaker 6: turn nothing into something. And some of the some of
1:11:19
Speaker 6: the best goals this season have been scored by JJ Paterka.
1:11:23
Speaker 6: And if he can find some offense, if he can
1:11:25
Speaker 6: find his footing in this playoff series, that's another level
1:11:29
Speaker 6: of scoring at the Mammoths have been missing.
1:11:32
Speaker 2: Mike Folta is our guest here on the Shoan O'Connell show.
1:11:34
Speaker 2: He is the radio voice of the Utah Mammoth. All right,
1:11:39
Speaker 2: so a quick turnaround. Hockey players are used to it.
1:11:43
Speaker 2: But that was an overtime game. Or you had several
1:11:46
Speaker 2: guys both in Golden Knights uniforms and a couple guys
1:11:50
Speaker 2: for the Mammoth pushing thirty minutes or or skating for
1:11:52
Speaker 2: over thirty minutes in that game.
1:11:55
Speaker 3: What is that going to do to Game five?
1:11:58
Speaker 2: Are we going to see different lines where we can
1:12:00
Speaker 2: to see different shifts or is this just stay the
1:12:04
Speaker 2: course and push through the pain.
1:12:06
Speaker 6: No, I think everybody will be ready to go. I
1:12:09
Speaker 6: mean this is playoffs, like you have to put your
1:12:10
Speaker 6: best players out there. And these guys were used to
1:12:14
Speaker 6: playing every other night too, Like having two days in
1:12:16
Speaker 6: between games is abnormal. They don't like that, they want
1:12:19
Speaker 6: to play and so so having one day in between
1:12:23
Speaker 6: is just fine. Everybody's resting up here today and everybody
1:12:27
Speaker 6: will be ready to go at full throttle, will come
1:12:29
Speaker 6: come Gay five. And that's what you get in the postseason.
1:12:32
Speaker 6: It's all Gas, no breaks. And you notice it in
1:12:35
Speaker 6: the third period in overtime, like every turn he's not
1:12:40
Speaker 6: messing around with who he's throwing out there, he's not
1:12:43
Speaker 6: necessarily rolling all of his lines. He is trying to
1:12:47
Speaker 6: give his team the best chance to win on every
1:12:49
Speaker 6: single shift. And that's playoff hockey. And that's overtime in
1:12:54
Speaker 6: the playoffs too. It's do or die. There's no compilation prize,
1:12:58
Speaker 6: there's no standings point in overtime for a loss, like
1:13:02
Speaker 6: you have to get it done. And that's why on
1:13:03
Speaker 6: the other side, Vegas is rolling out Jack Eichel for
1:13:07
Speaker 6: basically half the game. He's been out there a ton,
1:13:10
Speaker 6: and Utah has been countering. One thing for Game five
1:13:14
Speaker 6: to look out for is that the home team in
1:13:16
Speaker 6: hockey has the last change. If you don't know, it's
1:13:20
Speaker 6: basically when guys are going out there for a line
1:13:23
Speaker 6: change at a face off, the home team is able
1:13:27
Speaker 6: to send their guys out last, which means they can
1:13:29
Speaker 6: kind of choose the matchups a little bit more. So
1:13:32
Speaker 6: that was an advantage for Utah the last couple of games.
1:13:34
Speaker 6: And now that advantage swings back to John Tortorella, the
1:13:37
Speaker 6: head coach of the Vegas Golden Knights in Dame times.
1:13:42
Speaker 2: Have we heard an update or anything about Cooley's risk.
1:13:46
Speaker 2: He took a puck right off the inside of his
1:13:48
Speaker 2: wrist and had to ic it during the game, and
1:13:50
Speaker 2: obviously he played through, but oftentimes it's the next day
1:13:54
Speaker 2: that that kind of stuff hurts worse.
1:13:55
Speaker 3: Do we know if he's all right?
1:13:58
Speaker 6: I didn't see anything about those see To be honest,
1:14:01
Speaker 6: there's a couple of guys who ate some bucks. Last night,
1:14:05
Speaker 6: Alexander Kirkwood blocked a double shots on one shift. He
1:14:08
Speaker 6: was in the middle of shooting lanes a whole bunch.
1:14:11
Speaker 6: I did see that one from from Cooley, And unfortunately,
1:14:15
Speaker 6: risks are complicated, so you know, there's a lot of
1:14:18
Speaker 6: bones and ligaments in there. And you really hope nothing
1:14:20
Speaker 6: got got damaged too much. He played quite a bit
1:14:23
Speaker 6: the rest of the night, so I didn't see any
1:14:25
Speaker 6: ill effects from from taking that taking that puck to
1:14:29
Speaker 6: that area. So we'll keep an eye on that. Manmuther
1:14:32
Speaker 6: are mostly healthy right now. There are some notable absences
1:14:36
Speaker 6: Jack McBain and Barrett Hayden, two centermen who are very versatile.
1:14:40
Speaker 6: They've been out of the lineup all series. But other
1:14:44
Speaker 6: than that, everybody is as healthy as you can hope
1:14:48
Speaker 6: for this time of year. I mean, everybody's playing through something.
1:14:51
Speaker 6: Oh see, I got my allergies right now. I got
1:14:54
Speaker 6: a couple of hours of sleep last night. We've seen
1:14:58
Speaker 6: guys play through broken legs, broken ribs, broken jaws in
1:15:01
Speaker 6: the playoff. That's normal in the National Hockey League. My
1:15:06
Speaker 6: allergies almost took me out. That's what I'm battling through.
1:15:09
Speaker 6: I'm sure you you know, maybe had the sniffles or
1:15:11
Speaker 6: something and had had to do a show, But that's playoffs,
1:15:15
Speaker 6: that's this time of year.
1:15:17
Speaker 3: I'm dealing with that right now.
1:15:18
Speaker 2: I got to I've got a probably a Grade one
1:15:20
Speaker 2: sniffle happening as we speak. But we're pushing through and
1:15:24
Speaker 2: I got the playoff beard happening and everything. We're just going,
1:15:27
Speaker 2: it's the playoffs, baby. Big picture here, we saw some
1:15:33
Speaker 2: real chippiness between these two teams, and I'm excited about that.
1:15:37
Speaker 2: I'm a fight guy, I'm a combat sports guy. I
1:15:40
Speaker 2: want this to develop into a real rivalry. It seemed
1:15:43
Speaker 2: like in this last game both teams kind of shelved
1:15:47
Speaker 2: that and said, all right, let's play some hockey and
1:15:49
Speaker 2: let's just let the goal scoring tell the story. Do
1:15:52
Speaker 2: we expect the chippiness to turn back up in Vegas
1:15:55
Speaker 2: or what do you think is going to happen with
1:15:57
Speaker 2: that sort of aspect in.
1:15:59
Speaker 6: This series, it died down a little bit the last
1:16:03
Speaker 6: couple of games, and I think a big part of
1:16:06
Speaker 6: that is neither of these teams want to take a
1:16:08
Speaker 6: bad penalty, and we saw that in Game one where
1:16:12
Speaker 6: there was an altercation and the Golden Knights were roughing
1:16:16
Speaker 6: up some of the MANETs, and the Golden Knights took
1:16:19
Speaker 6: it a little too far and they put themselves on
1:16:21
Speaker 6: the penalty kill. And Utah has one power play goal
1:16:25
Speaker 6: through three games in this series. Vegas has two Utah
1:16:29
Speaker 6: penalty kill which really good recently, But in these close games.
1:16:34
Speaker 6: Goaltending and special teams are the two things I think
1:16:38
Speaker 6: more than anything that could put you over the edge.
1:16:41
Speaker 6: And the last thing you want to do in a
1:16:44
Speaker 6: game that's decided by one goal is to put your
1:16:47
Speaker 6: team on the penalty kill. And for Utah, especially against Vegas,
1:16:52
Speaker 6: I don't think the Mammoths care as much about getting
1:16:55
Speaker 6: into extra the extra curriculars Vegas. That's a little bit
1:16:59
Speaker 6: more of their style. They want to try and you know,
1:17:01
Speaker 6: assert their brutality in the series. But I think the
1:17:06
Speaker 6: Golden Knights feel good about their game. The Mammoths have
1:17:09
Speaker 6: actually out hit Vegas the last couple of games. That's
1:17:11
Speaker 6: a little bit of a turnabout in this series. But
1:17:14
Speaker 6: the Golden Knights possessed the pucket and as long as
1:17:17
Speaker 6: they're scoring, they're not going to worry about missing it
1:17:20
Speaker 6: up too much. After the whistle, we'll see what we
1:17:23
Speaker 6: get at the Fortress. That's another great home environment and
1:17:27
Speaker 6: it can it can turn on you quickly, so we'll
1:17:29
Speaker 6: see what we get tomorrow night. But I wouldn't be
1:17:33
Speaker 6: surprised if there's a lot of passion after the whistles,
1:17:36
Speaker 6: but no crossing of the of the line in the sand.
1:17:40
Speaker 6: If you will to avoid the penalties.
1:17:43
Speaker 2: Last thing before, excuse me, last thing before I let
1:17:45
Speaker 2: you go. We're what two years and four days into
1:17:49
Speaker 2: this experiment with hockey and Utah, and I won't call
1:17:52
Speaker 2: it an experiment anymore because the state has obviously embraced
1:17:56
Speaker 2: it and the fan base is loud and excited. But
1:18:00
Speaker 2: if you go back to two years ago and I was,
1:18:03
Speaker 2: you know, I walked up to you on the street
1:18:04
Speaker 2: and said, hey, man, you're gonna be calling a really intense,
1:18:07
Speaker 2: awesome playoff series in two years, what would you have said.
1:18:12
Speaker 6: I would have said, I hope I don't screw it up.
1:18:16
Speaker 6: It's been an incredible ride. And last night with another
1:18:20
Speaker 6: reminder of that. And you know, I'm so grateful. I
1:18:23
Speaker 6: came up through the minor leagues and had some great
1:18:25
Speaker 6: experiences there, but to be able to call National Hockey
1:18:29
Speaker 6: League games like it's still it's still surreal for me.
1:18:33
Speaker 6: And I know everybody in Arizona who came with the
1:18:36
Speaker 6: team to Utah is grateful. For the ownership of Ryan
1:18:39
Speaker 6: and Nashley Smith. We have a great broadcast crew. Adrian
1:18:44
Speaker 6: Denny and I have a ton of fun on the radio.
1:18:46
Speaker 6: Our great producer Will Trump Shaw and then all of
1:18:49
Speaker 6: manmade nation. Like we have people coming up to us
1:18:51
Speaker 6: and saying Hi. It's not because we're the world's greatest broadcasters.
1:18:55
Speaker 6: It's just because everybody is excited about this team. And
1:18:59
Speaker 6: it transcends political beliefs, religion, it transcends where you're from.
1:19:07
Speaker 6: Like we are all all mammoths and all part of
1:19:10
Speaker 6: Mammoth Nation, and that's really special. And we got to
1:19:13
Speaker 6: see that manifest itself last night. We're going to see
1:19:16
Speaker 6: a whole bunch of Mountain Blue in the crowd tomorrow night,
1:19:19
Speaker 6: and we're going to be back for Game six on Friday.
1:19:21
Speaker 6: And oh see what I was What I was telling
1:19:24
Speaker 6: Adrian earlier is you can't have a clint a playoff
1:19:30
Speaker 6: series clinching win at home if the Mammoth were to
1:19:34
Speaker 6: win in five. So we have everything we want still
1:19:37
Speaker 6: in front of us. If you talk and get it
1:19:39
Speaker 6: done in Game five on Wednesday night at the Fortress
1:19:42
Speaker 6: and then back home here at the Delta Center on Friday.
1:19:45
Speaker 3: That that is the right way to look at it.
1:19:47
Speaker 2: Win in Vegas, clinch at home, be happy, and on
1:19:51
Speaker 2: to the next one. I love the attitude, Mike. I
1:19:53
Speaker 2: can't tell you much. I appreciate your time. We love
1:19:56
Speaker 2: ourselves some major and Denny on this show, and we're
1:20:00
Speaker 2: we're excited that we got to talk to you after
1:20:02
Speaker 2: you know, long last.
1:20:03
Speaker 3: So let's do it more often.
1:20:04
Speaker 6: All right, anytime, O see, always happy to chat, always
1:20:09
Speaker 6: happy to talk some pocket, especially this time of the
1:20:12
Speaker 6: Year's let's go get it done in Vegas.
1:20:14
Speaker 3: All right, have a great call tomorrow night. Thank you,
1:20:16
Speaker 3: Thank you.
1:20:17
Speaker 2: Mike folta Utah Mammoth radio voice, and of course you
1:20:22
Speaker 2: can hear him alongside our very own Utah Mammoth insider
1:20:26
Speaker 2: Adrian Denny on those radio broadcasts. He does a great job.
1:20:32
Speaker 2: Adrian does a great job. The TV crew does a
1:20:35
Speaker 2: really great job. The national crews that they have on
1:20:37
Speaker 2: this do a great job.
1:20:39
Speaker 3: You know what.
1:20:40
Speaker 2: You know what I like about the hockey announcers, National
1:20:44
Speaker 2: hockey announcers. They they all adopt a very unique style.
1:20:51
Speaker 2: I think that you can get into this thing with football,
1:20:54
Speaker 2: and hopefully it's not this way in combat sports. But
1:20:56
Speaker 2: there's only a few hand a small handful of us,
1:20:58
Speaker 2: so I would be guilty of contributing to the problem
1:21:01
Speaker 2: if that were the case.
1:21:01
Speaker 3: But like you could sometimes kind of like.
1:21:06
Speaker 2: Zone out, you can sort of tune out to the
1:21:08
Speaker 2: voice of the play by play guy, especially because it's
1:21:12
Speaker 2: a formula and there's a lot of like copycatting going on.
1:21:17
Speaker 2: Like I don't think that Levy and with Shoes and
1:21:20
Speaker 2: are copying each other at all. I think that it's
1:21:23
Speaker 2: just like maybe hockey is just a better environment for
1:21:26
Speaker 2: that than in football and basketball.
1:21:28
Speaker 4: Yeah, how about Kenny Albert too? Did you see he
1:21:31
Speaker 4: broke the record for most national broadcasts across any sports
1:21:35
Speaker 4: whoa in of the four major North American sports. I
1:21:39
Speaker 4: don't know how they tallied that, because I don't imagine
1:21:44
Speaker 4: NBCTNT all the other networks. ESPN just like keeps a
1:21:49
Speaker 4: tally every time someone does a game. Oh that's that's
1:21:52
Speaker 4: twenty four. Bob was Shoes and now, like, I don't
1:21:55
Speaker 4: know that they do that, but they somehow went back
1:21:57
Speaker 4: and tallied him.
1:21:58
Speaker 3: He's it.
1:21:59
Speaker 2: So you're wait, you're saying that this is like againness
1:22:02
Speaker 2: Book of World Records, where it's just like most bananas
1:22:06
Speaker 2: and sardines eating in the same meal, where.
1:22:08
Speaker 3: He's just like, no one keeps track of these.
1:22:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure they actually do, but they do have.
1:22:14
Speaker 4: They did show a top ten list on I think
1:22:16
Speaker 4: it was the TNT broadcast that Kenny Albert did over
1:22:19
Speaker 4: the weekend, one of them that he was.
1:22:22
Speaker 3: He was over.
1:22:22
Speaker 4: Fifteen hundred national broadcast. And Kenny Albert, you know, does
1:22:28
Speaker 4: football for Fox, does hockey for TNT. He he did
1:22:34
Speaker 4: NBA a long time ago, hasn't done NBA in a
1:22:37
Speaker 4: long time. He's done Major League Baseball. I think that's
1:22:40
Speaker 4: also one that he hasn't done for a long time.
1:22:43
Speaker 4: I think he's the younger brother of Marv Albert. I'm
1:22:46
Speaker 4: not mistaken. So he's comes from royalty and he passed
1:22:51
Speaker 4: Marv a little while ago to get on top of
1:22:56
Speaker 4: this list. So that's another guy that you talk about
1:23:01
Speaker 4: Levy with shoes in. Kenny Albert's another guy with a
1:23:04
Speaker 4: unique style that you're never bored listening to him.
1:23:07
Speaker 3: Kenny is Marv's son, Marv's.
1:23:08
Speaker 4: Son, Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, Marv son. I think I
1:23:12
Speaker 4: I must say there's an al Albert that I think
1:23:14
Speaker 4: is the brother of Marv.
1:23:15
Speaker 2: Anyway, that's right. Al Albert is Marv's brother and Kenny
1:23:19
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Speaker 2: don't need to talk too much about about Aaron Rodgers
1:25:45
Speaker 2: because he is one of those guys now that gets
1:25:48
Speaker 2: almost tedious to discuss. I just want to point something out,
1:25:50
Speaker 2: he said publicly many times. I'm not gonna let it
1:25:54
Speaker 2: take until June for me to make a decision, to
1:25:57
Speaker 2: tell the Steelers my decision. I'm not gonna drag this
1:25:59
Speaker 2: in June like I did last year. It's April twenty
1:26:03
Speaker 2: eighth and they still don't know what he's gonna do.
1:26:05
Speaker 4: I mean to be fair, it is not June yet,
1:26:08
Speaker 4: so I guess, I guess Aaron Rodgers is keeping his
1:26:11
Speaker 4: words so far.
1:26:12
Speaker 3: I mean, question mark.
1:26:14
Speaker 2: It's well into the offseason, Aaron, It's it's time for
1:26:17
Speaker 2: you to let people know what's going on. But the Steelers,
1:26:22
Speaker 2: because of the uncertainty, they've they've kind of put an
1:26:26
Speaker 2: insurance move on Aaron Rodgers. It's a UFA tender that
1:26:32
Speaker 2: is almost never used, and it means that they have
1:26:36
Speaker 2: the right of first refusal for Aaron Rodgers. The Steelers
1:26:41
Speaker 2: now have a right to receive a compensatory draft pick
1:26:44
Speaker 2: if Rogers decides he's not coming back to the Steelers
1:26:47
Speaker 2: and signs with another team. So Pittsburgh believes that there's
1:26:51
Speaker 2: at least some flirtation going on between Aaron Rodgers and
1:26:54
Speaker 2: other teams in the National Football League, So they're placing
1:26:59
Speaker 2: this on him as a protection that if he leaves
1:27:02
Speaker 2: them hanging the bride at the altar, they get at
1:27:05
Speaker 2: least a compensatory pick because of it.
1:27:07
Speaker 4: Yes, some contexts with the compensatory pick part. Monday was
1:27:12
Speaker 4: the deadline for there's a post draft deadline that I
1:27:17
Speaker 4: just learned about with this news that if you haven't
1:27:21
Speaker 4: signed it. If you haven't signed your free agents or
1:27:25
Speaker 4: they haven't signed with another team, you can't you forfeit
1:27:28
Speaker 4: the right to a compensatory pick. So this extends that
1:27:32
Speaker 4: by using this tender. That's part of why the Steelers
1:27:37
Speaker 4: would it benefits them to put this tender on on Rogers.
1:27:41
Speaker 2: It also kind of locks in the price that he
1:27:45
Speaker 2: would have to pay for Aaron Rodgers potentially, which is
1:27:48
Speaker 2: about fifteen million dollars for this season if he decides
1:27:51
Speaker 2: to come back and play for you. For those who
1:27:54
Speaker 2: did not watch the Steelers draft, they did add Drew
1:27:56
Speaker 2: Aller from Penn State. They also have Will and Mason
1:28:00
Speaker 2: Rudolph in the quarterback room still, so.
1:28:03
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe Drew Aller will finally live up to that
1:28:06
Speaker 4: immense potential we heard about over and over again at
1:28:09
Speaker 4: nauseum as the backup quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
1:28:13
Speaker 2: Maybe is it every Big twelve I excuse to be
1:28:18
Speaker 2: a Big ten team that you have to rag on
1:28:21
Speaker 2: because they're not Ohio State buck geys, that's how that
1:28:24
Speaker 2: works for you.
1:28:24
Speaker 4: So I can understand why it looks that way. What
1:28:28
Speaker 4: I when I say something snarky like that, but I
1:28:31
Speaker 4: across all sports. I really have always been bugged by
1:28:34
Speaker 4: the this guy's gonna be this guy's gonna be an
1:28:36
Speaker 4: All Pro in football. This because this guy's gonna be
1:28:39
Speaker 4: an MVP in the NBA, and then they just always
1:28:43
Speaker 4: barely tap that potential and never quite get to it.
1:28:46
Speaker 4: That's this guy's gonna be an All American Heisman Trophy winner.
1:28:49
Speaker 4: That's always bugged me. Carmelo Anthony, I'm looking straight at.
1:28:52
Speaker 3: You, all right.
1:28:56
Speaker 2: I I gotta dig this tweet up again because I
1:29:01
Speaker 2: almost couldn't believe it when I saw it. And we're
1:29:07
Speaker 2: gonna be talking about some big time parlays, some big
1:29:11
Speaker 2: time sports betting things, because Brendan Soresby is back in
1:29:15
Speaker 2: the news for the wrong reasons. Darren Ravel tweeted this
1:29:20
Speaker 2: the other night, and there was a somebody who bet
1:29:26
Speaker 2: like a seven leg home run parlay. Darren, come on,
1:29:31
Speaker 2: give it, give it to me. Where is this thing?
1:29:35
Speaker 2: You got to wade through all the memorabilia tweets? How
1:29:39
Speaker 2: does he do to so many memorabilia tweets?
1:29:41
Speaker 3: I hear it is? This was from last Friday.
1:29:46
Speaker 2: Somebody bet thirty dollars that Riley Green, Kobe Mayo Jesus Sanchez,
1:29:52
Speaker 2: Bryce Harper, Nick Kurtz, and Jazz Chisholm Junior would all
1:29:56
Speaker 2: hit homers same day. I guess same day. That's that's
1:30:01
Speaker 2: quite the bet to make thirty dollars they all hit homers.
1:30:07
Speaker 2: Longest odds parlay ever paid out in the history of
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Speaker 2: Hard Rock Casino, Florida's only legal sports book is through
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1:30:19
Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, but thirty dollars bet, can you
1:30:24
Speaker 2: guess what the payout was? Three dollars bet? Longest odds
1:30:29
Speaker 2: ever be in the millions, three million, one point eighty
1:30:34
Speaker 2: six million dollars. See, this is why. This is one
1:30:40
Speaker 2: of the reasons why sports betting is so enticing. Though,
1:30:43
Speaker 2: it's because if you do it somewhat, you know smartly,
1:30:47
Speaker 2: you only put a few, you only put a little
1:30:49
Speaker 2: bit down, and so if you lose, you only lose
1:30:52
Speaker 2: thirty bucks. But then you win and you you're a millionaire.
1:30:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, the ups, that's why it's That's why it's so enticing.
1:31:00
Speaker 2: Look, it's like predicting where lightning is going to strike.
1:31:04
Speaker 2: But you fool yourself as a sports better into thinking
1:31:07
Speaker 2: that you have some level of knowledge, like, oh, well,
1:31:10
Speaker 2: I know that Bryce Harper is really good against his pitcher,
1:31:13
Speaker 2: against his team, so he's probably gonna hit one, and
1:31:15
Speaker 2: Kobe Mayo might do the same thing. And so you like,
1:31:19
Speaker 2: so now that thirty dollars bet, that's a dumb bet.
1:31:23
Speaker 2: You got to hit all seven legs of that parlay.
1:31:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, And by the way, maybe most, maybe all of
1:31:30
Speaker 4: those guys are now by the hardcore baseball fan known
1:31:33
Speaker 4: as as good home run hitters. I've only heard of
1:31:37
Speaker 4: two of them, that's Bryce Harper and Jazz Chisholm. And
1:31:40
Speaker 4: Jazz Chisholm is a lot more obscure than Bryce Harper, right,
1:31:43
Speaker 4: So like that's that's a crazy bet, just based on
1:31:47
Speaker 4: the casual baseball fan who they know that in that
1:31:51
Speaker 4: lineup of seven hitters.
1:31:53
Speaker 2: So it's a dumb bet until it hits, and then
1:31:57
Speaker 2: you look like a genius and now you're a millionaire.
1:32:00
Speaker 3: Hopefully that guy holds.
1:32:01
Speaker 4: On to that money that once in that once in
1:32:04
Speaker 4: a lifetime bet he just won, and doesn't you know,
1:32:06
Speaker 4: try to parlay it into something else.
1:32:08
Speaker 2: Just like double down, Let's do another seven lagger with
1:32:11
Speaker 2: one point eight million dollars on one guy I've ever
1:32:14
Speaker 2: heard of this time, and we're gonna try to turn
1:32:17
Speaker 2: this one point eight six million into a billion.
1:32:21
Speaker 3: Please don't do that.
1:32:23
Speaker 2: Look, I love when you hear these crazy outlier stories,
1:32:25
Speaker 2: but they're crazy outliar stories, right. This is what Brandon
1:32:28
Speaker 2: Sooresby's chasing is the problem. He's chasing that high of
1:32:33
Speaker 2: just the prohibitively rare, impossible odds landing in your favor.
1:32:41
Speaker 3: But wow, good for that guy.
1:32:44
Speaker 4: Yeah, not to not to make every betting story into
1:32:47
Speaker 4: a cautionary tale, but you can't help but think, like,
1:32:50
Speaker 4: what if it went the other way? And what if
1:32:52
Speaker 4: he tries to double down? Right, you can't help but
1:32:55
Speaker 4: think that, Well, then he need only be sixty bucks.
1:32:59
Speaker 4: Yeah he doesn't, ma, man, he does another thirty dollars bet. Yeah,
1:33:03
Speaker 4: he doesn't do an one point eight million dollar bet. Okay,
1:33:05
Speaker 4: fair enough?
1:33:06
Speaker 1: You know.
1:33:06
Speaker 2: The one that always gets me is when people are
1:33:09
Speaker 2: talking about roulette and they're like, oh, it's easy, but
1:33:12
Speaker 2: I'm black. Put on black and then if you miss,
1:33:15
Speaker 2: you double, and he put it on black again, and
1:33:17
Speaker 2: if you miss again, you double, and then you're gonna
1:33:19
Speaker 2: get your money to a due it's just like, Okay,
1:33:22
Speaker 2: I get it. So if you have enough cash that
1:33:24
Speaker 2: you can just continue to double down, eventually it's going
1:33:26
Speaker 2: to hit because on black, but now you're just back
1:33:30
Speaker 2: to even.
1:33:31
Speaker 3: It's yeah, I don't want to.
1:33:32
Speaker 2: I don't want to risk like forty five thousand dollars
1:33:36
Speaker 2: to get back to having forty five thousand dollars.
1:33:38
Speaker 4: Just so you can go home to your wife and
1:33:40
Speaker 4: be like, I didn't lose money, I promise you.
1:33:43
Speaker 2: And I love I love playing poker like I love it.
1:33:46
Speaker 2: The reason I love it is because I feel like
1:33:48
Speaker 2: I'm playing against other human beings. I'm trying to take
1:33:50
Speaker 2: your money, James. I'm not trying to beat the casino
1:33:54
Speaker 2: or like math, I'm just trying to beat you.
1:33:58
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:33:59
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Speaker 2: The Texas Tech presumed starter is entering a treatments facility
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Speaker 2: for a gambling addiction. And of course, when this headline
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Speaker 3: You know what else this means.
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Speaker 4: You former Knicks fan are certainly into it, right. No,
1:36:20
Speaker 4: I'm a former Knicks fan.
1:36:22
Speaker 3: You're reformed. I know Jalen Brunson plays for them. I haven't.
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Speaker 2: I haven't watched a lot of Knicks in the last
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Speaker 2: Patrick Ewing's still twenty years.
1:36:32
Speaker 3: Oh man.
1:36:33
Speaker 2: Okay, So Brendan Soresby and this gambling investigation that's happening.
1:36:39
Speaker 2: We I asked Gordy Chier's about this. I'm gonnasked Jeff
1:36:41
Speaker 2: Schwartz about this. He has admittedly gambled for years, thousands
1:36:50
Speaker 2: and thousands of bets. I think it's important to say
1:36:53
Speaker 2: that Brendan Soresby is not being investigated for any kind
1:36:57
Speaker 2: of point shaving, any kind of game fixing. There was
1:37:01
Speaker 2: no legal enforcement situation going on where there's suspicion of
1:37:06
Speaker 2: corruption happening because of his involvement in gambling. But he
1:37:10
Speaker 2: has admitted that he's addicted to gambling and that he's
1:37:13
Speaker 2: been gambling on college sports, which of course is not
1:37:17
Speaker 2: allowed for college athletes gam bet on college sports. They
1:37:23
Speaker 2: recently opened a loophole where you can bet on pro sports.
1:37:27
Speaker 2: You're certainly not supposed to be betting on sports you're
1:37:29
Speaker 2: involved in. You're not supposed to be betting on teams
1:37:32
Speaker 2: you play for. He's checked all those boxes, he's done
1:37:35
Speaker 2: all of it. Well, guess what Nobody really gets to
1:37:41
Speaker 2: wag the finger at Brendan Soresby the way that they
1:37:43
Speaker 2: thought they should, because Cincinnati, who of course he played
1:37:48
Speaker 2: for last year, was alerted to his gambling problem, not
1:37:54
Speaker 2: last week, not last month. They found out about this
1:38:00
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1:38:06
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Speaker 2: some handwringing and all other things associated with these controversial subjects.
1:38:34
Speaker 2: And Cincinnati was just like, oh, wow, that's crazy. He's
1:38:37
Speaker 2: got a gambling addiction. We should look into that further.
1:38:44
Speaker 2: So I'm not going to sit.
1:38:47
Speaker 3: Here and tell you.
1:38:50
Speaker 2: That Soresby is a victim of some system that didn't
1:38:54
Speaker 2: protect him from himself. I think that personal accountability is
1:38:58
Speaker 2: important here. I think that especially when you're talking about
1:39:01
Speaker 2: someone who is twenty two years old and was at
1:39:04
Speaker 2: least twenty one when Cincinnati found out about this. There's,
1:39:08
Speaker 2: of course the question of like, what kind of intervention
1:39:10
Speaker 2: are we expected to the stage here on behalf of
1:39:14
Speaker 2: a player when they're an adult. But here's the thing
1:39:17
Speaker 2: they learned last summer that Brendan Sorosby, who played two
1:39:20
Speaker 2: years at Cincinnati after transferring from Indiana, where he did
1:39:23
Speaker 2: bet on Indiana games, not once that he had played in.
1:39:28
Speaker 2: They found out he was betting on college sports. They
1:39:30
Speaker 2: found out he had a betting problem, and as far
1:39:34
Speaker 2: as we know, Cincinnati did exactly nothing meaningful about it. Now,
1:39:46
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're supposed to do. I'm not
1:39:49
Speaker 2: I'm not here to tell you that Cincinnati, who, by
1:39:52
Speaker 2: the way, is throwing a fit over his transfer to
1:39:55
Speaker 2: Texas Tech and is demanding that he paid the one
1:39:58
Speaker 2: million dollar buyout claw.
1:40:05
Speaker 3: They're just like, hey, yeah, sorry about your gambling problem.
1:40:08
Speaker 2: Don't let anyone know about that, because we want you
1:40:11
Speaker 2: to play for us. Why didn't you suspend him, Why
1:40:16
Speaker 2: didn't you get him into treatment? Why didn't you say, Hey,
1:40:21
Speaker 2: this is gonna be a big problem for you. This
1:40:23
Speaker 2: is gonna be a big story. If you want us
1:40:25
Speaker 2: to keep this quiet, you're gonna have to give us
1:40:28
Speaker 2: back some of this NIO money. I mean, there's like,
1:40:30
Speaker 2: what do we again, The adults in the room, we're
1:40:34
Speaker 2: all principled, and we all are like, I'm betting is
1:40:36
Speaker 2: bad and these players shouldn't be involved in betting. Until
1:40:38
Speaker 2: you find out it's your best player that's involved in betting,
1:40:41
Speaker 2: and then you're just like, ah, you know what, we need.
1:40:44
Speaker 3: To make sure it's okay. We're just gonna let him play.
1:40:48
Speaker 4: Hold on, hold on, There's he's in control, right, Like
1:40:53
Speaker 4: he's got this.
1:40:54
Speaker 2: I don't want anyone on my team that's involved with
1:40:56
Speaker 2: sexual assault and such allegations. What's that, Saint George Police Department,
1:41:03
Speaker 2: what's that? No, we're gonna ignore this.
1:41:08
Speaker 3: I mean again, no, I suffer no illusions.
1:41:13
Speaker 2: That sports entities, including our universities locally, are above reproach
1:41:21
Speaker 2: when it comes to their integrity around rule enforcement and
1:41:25
Speaker 2: gambling is for some people in like less of a
1:41:29
Speaker 2: gray area and more just like, hey, this is just
1:41:31
Speaker 2: big business now like it's it is what it is.
1:41:34
Speaker 2: But this is a prominent quarterback. He was one of
1:41:37
Speaker 2: the three best quarterbacks in the Big Twelve Conference. Brandon
1:41:41
Speaker 2: Soorsby was the best player on his team definitively, and
1:41:47
Speaker 2: somebody at Cincinnati found out that he had a gambling
1:41:49
Speaker 2: problem that involved gambling on college sports and did nothing
1:41:54
Speaker 2: about it.
1:41:56
Speaker 4: This is, by the way, what Pete Rose got banned
1:41:59
Speaker 4: for life?
1:42:01
Speaker 2: Correct, He is out of the the MLB Hall of Fame.
1:42:04
Speaker 4: He is like in Cincinnati too, by the way, what's
1:42:07
Speaker 4: in the water and Cincinnati?
1:42:08
Speaker 3: Wow?
1:42:09
Speaker 4: No, so he like and I know that in recent
1:42:12
Speaker 4: years there's the commissioner just lifted the lifetime band. So
1:42:16
Speaker 4: maybe he will end up in the Hall of Fame posthumously,
1:42:19
Speaker 4: but for a long time we were like, yeah, he did,
1:42:23
Speaker 4: at least from the league and Hall of Fame level.
1:42:25
Speaker 4: He did the most terrible thing and a guy can do,
1:42:28
Speaker 4: and he did what Brendan Sorsby did in that I
1:42:31
Speaker 4: bet on our team to win and I wasn't playing.
1:42:34
Speaker 4: You know, he was the manager, so he had he
1:42:37
Speaker 4: had an effect on on the on winning or losing
1:42:40
Speaker 4: the game, and in a bigger way than Sorsby did
1:42:42
Speaker 4: in Indiana as a red shirt guy. But like, it's
1:42:46
Speaker 4: the same excuses that Swortsby's and his people are are
1:42:50
Speaker 4: making right now, is like, well, hold on, I didn't
1:42:53
Speaker 4: play and I didn't bet against my team, so why
1:42:56
Speaker 4: is this bad. It's like, because it's a major rule
1:42:58
Speaker 4: violation and it arms potentially harms the integrity of the game.
1:43:03
Speaker 3: That's why.
1:43:03
Speaker 2: And again I'm one of these people where I'm just like, Okay,
1:43:06
Speaker 2: so if you bet on your team to win, if
1:43:10
Speaker 2: I bet on myself to win as a fighter, that's illegal.
1:43:12
Speaker 3: You're not allowed to do it.
1:43:14
Speaker 2: But I'm just like, yeah, I could see why it's
1:43:16
Speaker 2: problematic betting on yourself to lose, because then you can
1:43:18
Speaker 2: throw a fight. Yeah, but I'm betting on myself to win.
1:43:20
Speaker 2: I'm already trying to control the outcome of me winning.
1:43:23
Speaker 2: Like what does this change here? But when you sign up,
1:43:29
Speaker 2: they tell you, hey, can't do this. These are the things,
1:43:34
Speaker 2: Like you're the big man on campus, Brendan Sooresby. There's
1:43:37
Speaker 2: like four things you're not allowed to do when you're
1:43:40
Speaker 2: the big man on campus, starting quarterback of a Division
1:43:43
Speaker 2: one football team, Like cheat on your homework. We'll let
1:43:47
Speaker 2: you do that. That's fine, We'll let someone like we're
1:43:49
Speaker 2: gonna look the other way with that. Okay, you can't
1:43:53
Speaker 2: bet on sports, that's one. That's one of the actual
1:43:56
Speaker 2: rules that we're going to try to enforce. Okay, hopefully
1:44:00
Speaker 2: in most cases. They're like no sexual assault. Okay, we're
1:44:04
Speaker 2: not gonna tolerate that. Hopefully in most cases, although we
1:44:07
Speaker 2: see even locally and all over the country, so many
1:44:11
Speaker 2: of these Like drinking, you're gonna get in trouble if
1:44:14
Speaker 2: you drink. That's we'll brush all that under the rug,
1:44:18
Speaker 2: unless you also drive. Don't drink and drive. Okay, that's
1:44:22
Speaker 2: a rule we're actually going to enforce on you. Okay,
1:44:25
Speaker 2: what's rule number four? I can't even think of rule
1:44:28
Speaker 2: number four right now, Brendan Soresby, because you can get
1:44:30
Speaker 2: away with everything.
1:44:32
Speaker 3: Oh murder, no, murder, yeah, don't kill it. Don't murder. Okay.
1:44:37
Speaker 2: And by the way, if you accidentally do it, we'll
1:44:39
Speaker 2: probably brush that under the rug too, if there's like
1:44:41
Speaker 2: some sort of vehicular manslaughter situation. Because the system is
1:44:46
Speaker 2: set up to let these guys do whatever they want,
1:44:49
Speaker 2: but there's just like a very few things that they
1:44:52
Speaker 2: have to agree. No one is gonna be able to
1:44:55
Speaker 2: protect you. If you bet on college sports. Brendan Soorsby
1:44:58
Speaker 2: and he was still doing it, and I would listen
1:45:01
Speaker 2: to him all day long arguing, dude, I'm doing it's
1:45:05
Speaker 2: just fun for me. I like this, this is great. Like,
1:45:08
Speaker 2: I'm not threatening the integrity of my games. You can
1:45:11
Speaker 2: see me out there competing. I'm trying my hardest. I'm
1:45:14
Speaker 2: not deliberately missing. But anybody I didn't put any bets in.
1:45:18
Speaker 2: Like when I'm at a Cincinnati Reds game and I'm
1:45:20
Speaker 2: betting on balls and strikes that has nothing to do
1:45:22
Speaker 2: with my college football career, I would be like, Okay, Brendan, cool,
1:45:26
Speaker 2: why didn't you leave it there? Why don't you just
1:45:30
Speaker 2: say I'm only going to bet on pro sports. The
1:45:34
Speaker 2: fact that you bet on college sports and then that
1:45:37
Speaker 2: your college found out about it and did nothing about it.
1:45:40
Speaker 2: You now have this entire network, this web of people
1:45:43
Speaker 2: that are all in the wrong.
1:45:44
Speaker 3: Here.
1:45:45
Speaker 2: People at Cincinnati are going to be fired for this,
1:45:49
Speaker 2: Mark my words. There will be somebody in that athletic
1:45:52
Speaker 2: department who falls on a sword.
1:45:54
Speaker 3: Maybe two or three people that fall on a sword.
1:45:57
Speaker 2: Remember when there was the recruiting violation now allegations down
1:46:01
Speaker 2: at the University of Arizona, and Shawn Miller's just like, ah,
1:46:04
Speaker 2: we gotta fire this guy, and this guy you're the
1:46:06
Speaker 2: patsy Cincinnati. Somebody's gonna lose their job. Brandon soars me.
1:46:11
Speaker 2: You are going to lose your college football season this year.
1:46:16
Speaker 2: Texas Tech is going to lose an opportunity to win
1:46:20
Speaker 2: a conference championship potentially because Will Hammon doesn't come back
1:46:23
Speaker 2: until like week four.
1:46:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's not gonna be week one starter. As good
1:46:28
Speaker 4: as he looked and as good a reason for otherwise
1:46:31
Speaker 4: reason for optimism for Texas Tech with Will Hammond, You're
1:46:34
Speaker 4: gonna miss the first month of the season, all right.
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Speaker 2: a lot of fun.
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Speaker 4: Arguably the biggest sporting event in the Salt City area
1:48:01
Speaker 4: in like this spring perfectly.
1:48:04
Speaker 2: I think that's probably playoff hockey. But it's a I
1:48:07
Speaker 2: appreciate you giving the doc dogs credit.
1:48:08
Speaker 4: Oh, bigger than Messi and Sandy, biggest one in and wow,
1:48:13
Speaker 4: you're you hate soccer?
1:48:16
Speaker 2: It had already completely slipped my mind. How dare you?
1:48:22
Speaker 2: By the way, it's a World Cup year. That was
1:48:25
Speaker 2: by the way, that was such a one off though,
1:48:27
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Uh, but maybe that's what
1:48:29
Speaker 2: makes it bigger. It's the only opportunity for most of
1:48:32
Speaker 2: us to see Messi live, unless, of course, you like
1:48:36
Speaker 2: me and you have VIP front row tickets to every
1:48:38
Speaker 2: World Cup game.
1:48:39
Speaker 4: I just got a bunch of texts the Gov, Spencer, Warren, Jay, Knolly, Dunny,
1:48:44
Speaker 4: they all said, you were Oh see, it's dead to us.
1:48:47
Speaker 3: We will never be on his sho.
1:48:48
Speaker 2: You know what I love about all those guys is
1:48:51
Speaker 2: that they enjoy soccer and they're passionate about soccer without
1:48:55
Speaker 2: expecting you to be.
1:48:58
Speaker 4: Did you hear one of Dunnie's last hits with Spence?
1:49:01
Speaker 4: He said he mentioned that his wife hates soccer.
1:49:06
Speaker 3: That surprises me.
1:49:07
Speaker 4: Actually yeah, but then it doesn't really surprise me because
1:49:10
Speaker 4: we're both married to two women who aren't interested in
1:49:14
Speaker 4: watching sports at all, So it doesn't surprise me from
1:49:17
Speaker 4: that from you know what though, that.
1:49:19
Speaker 3: My wife has really gotten into the hockey.
1:49:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's really buying in on the mammoth now. So
1:49:25
Speaker 2: maybe this is the solution problem Gateway Sports fandom. I
1:49:29
Speaker 2: said we were going to talk more Mammoth hockey. Actually
1:49:32
Speaker 2: I got a text, So I want to address something
1:49:34
Speaker 2: here on the air. Uh, the Greg Argus stepping down
1:49:39
Speaker 2: at the University of Utah as the head strength coach.
1:49:43
Speaker 2: There are people out there, and I don't know where
1:49:45
Speaker 2: we're supposed to fall on the spectrum. There are people
1:49:48
Speaker 2: out there who have an expectation that because things went
1:49:53
Speaker 2: well under Kyle Whittingham, we want Morgan Scalley's program to
1:49:58
Speaker 2: be a lot like that, just an improvement on what
1:50:01
Speaker 2: we saw there. And like every coach who's getting at
1:50:05
Speaker 2: first head coaching opportunity, Morgan's gonna have to figure some
1:50:08
Speaker 2: of these things out.
1:50:10
Speaker 3: And what I'm.
1:50:11
Speaker 2: Hearing about the separation from Greg August is I don't
1:50:15
Speaker 2: like what I'm hearing in the way that it happened
1:50:18
Speaker 2: and the fact that maybe he turned down a job
1:50:21
Speaker 2: at Michigan to stay at Utah because he thought he
1:50:23
Speaker 2: was going to be the guy forever and this is
1:50:25
Speaker 2: kind of his dream job. He's been climbing that ladder
1:50:28
Speaker 2: for twenty plus years. And I love Greg Argust. He
1:50:32
Speaker 2: was really great to me when I was a player
1:50:34
Speaker 2: up there, and he's been great to me every time
1:50:36
Speaker 2: i've seen him ever since, and that's multiple years.
1:50:40
Speaker 3: And I wish him and his family nothing but the best.
1:50:44
Speaker 2: If I pull back on that, like, wait, this guy's
1:50:46
Speaker 2: my friend thing, and I look at Morgan Scaley, who
1:50:50
Speaker 2: I also consider myself to have a pretty good relationship with,
1:50:53
Speaker 2: and I say, you're the head coach of your alma mater,
1:50:57
Speaker 2: you're the head coach of the University of Utah. Voices
1:51:00
Speaker 2: are you going to listen to as far as your recommendations?
1:51:04
Speaker 2: How are you going to make this team better? What
1:51:05
Speaker 2: changes need to be made so that it is not
1:51:08
Speaker 2: a continuation of Kyle Whittingham's program, which was great, which
1:51:12
Speaker 2: was wonderful. But it's not like he won a national
1:51:15
Speaker 2: championship at the University of Utah.
1:51:17
Speaker 3: It's not like there's not room for improvement.
1:51:20
Speaker 2: It's not like you're coming off back to back pack
1:51:22
Speaker 2: twelve championship years like you were a few seasons ago.
1:51:25
Speaker 2: It's not like you're coming off back to back big
1:51:27
Speaker 2: twelve championship years, which was the expectation both of these
1:51:31
Speaker 2: past years, and you fell short of those expectations. It's
1:51:34
Speaker 2: not like you're just demolishing your rival still. I mean,
1:51:37
Speaker 2: there's tweaks that need to happen in this program so
1:51:40
Speaker 2: you get back to where you need to be in
1:51:42
Speaker 2: state in the conference, and I hate that this has
1:51:46
Speaker 2: to be one of them. But we talked about it
1:51:50
Speaker 2: earlier on the show, and I think it bears repeating.
1:51:55
Speaker 2: Morgan scally should be allowed, should be supported in bringing
1:52:01
Speaker 2: in everyone he thinks belongs in those positions. Now, I
1:52:06
Speaker 2: don't like, Hey, this is your job and four months
1:52:09
Speaker 2: later it's not your job.
1:52:11
Speaker 3: There are better ways to do that.
1:52:13
Speaker 2: I think Morgan, if you got the true seram in him,
1:52:15
Speaker 2: he probably would would say, look, I wish that we
1:52:19
Speaker 2: had figured this out sooner.
1:52:21
Speaker 3: Whatever.
1:52:23
Speaker 2: The other controversial thing or could be controversial thing about
1:52:26
Speaker 2: this this hiring is that you're talking about a guy
1:52:29
Speaker 2: that the NFL effectively blackballed and rejected, and there's plenty
1:52:33
Speaker 2: of problems in the NFL. Maybe you still trust though,
1:52:37
Speaker 2: that the Ravens and every other NFL team had a
1:52:40
Speaker 2: pretty good reason to move.
1:52:41
Speaker 3: On from Steve Saunders.
1:52:42
Speaker 2: You got to give it context, though, right Go look
1:52:46
Speaker 2: at go read the reddit reports, Go look at the
1:52:49
Speaker 2: tweets from players he was accused of covering up COVID outbreaks,
1:52:55
Speaker 2: things like that. Well, I think most of us have
1:53:00
Speaker 2: come down on the side of like, maybe we didn't
1:53:03
Speaker 2: handle the COVID situation all that perfectly as a nation,
1:53:07
Speaker 2: as a workplace, depending on where your workplace is, whatever.
1:53:11
Speaker 2: So holding someone to the standard of hey, did you
1:53:13
Speaker 2: handle COVID perfectly, maybe he's not super realistic. And if
1:53:20
Speaker 2: you trust Morgan Scali, which I think as a Utah
1:53:23
Speaker 2: football fan, you kind of have to, then you say,
1:53:27
Speaker 2: all right, he wants this guy.
1:53:28
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let it ride with this guy.
1:53:30
Speaker 2: And by the way, Eric Weddle, who is I believe
1:53:33
Speaker 2: the most trusted voice of all former youths, said this
1:53:38
Speaker 2: guy is the answer to some of the Utah's problems.
1:53:42
Speaker 2: That he is going to make sure that guys gear
1:53:44
Speaker 2: their training programs towards their body types. He believes that
1:53:47
Speaker 2: because that's what his experience was with this guy as
1:53:51
Speaker 2: his coach in Baltimore.
1:53:53
Speaker 3: I'd be curious.
1:53:54
Speaker 4: Because Steve Smith was in Baltimore when Steve Saunders was
1:53:58
Speaker 4: the strength coach, and he and Weddell overlapped a little
1:54:02
Speaker 4: bit there. If I'm not mistaken, I wonder, I don't
1:54:05
Speaker 4: know if Steve Smith said anything about it.
1:54:07
Speaker 3: I wonder if he's in you.
1:54:09
Speaker 4: Know, if he's in the middle, or if he's in
1:54:11
Speaker 4: the camp of there's a reason we fired this guy,
1:54:14
Speaker 4: or if he's in the camp of Weddle where he's like, no,
1:54:16
Speaker 4: this guy's legit. Be curious about Steve Smith, another influential
1:54:20
Speaker 4: former you.
1:54:21
Speaker 2: And and the thing is, as much as we love
1:54:25
Speaker 2: Weddell of as much as we love Steve Smith, their
1:54:27
Speaker 2: opinion of it is only just that it's not like
1:54:30
Speaker 2: they don't get to make these decisions right.
1:54:32
Speaker 3: And Morgan Scally has the guys that he trusts.
1:54:35
Speaker 2: And and I promise you when Eric Weddle says, I
1:54:38
Speaker 2: give this guy my full endorsement.
1:54:40
Speaker 3: He's a great person, he's a great coach. He helped me.
1:54:44
Speaker 2: That carries weight with Morgan Scally. But guess what if
1:54:47
Speaker 2: Steve Smith called and said something to the opposite effect
1:54:50
Speaker 2: that would hold weight as well.
1:54:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just to there's a little bit more context,
1:54:56
Speaker 4: we've we've referenced what what Weddle said publicly.
1:54:59
Speaker 3: He actually tweet about this.
1:55:01
Speaker 4: Alex Markham reported he went and he went on the
1:55:05
Speaker 4: website and found that it's been updated. Steve Sanders has
1:55:09
Speaker 4: been is on their listed as director of Football Sports Performance,
1:55:12
Speaker 4: and in that post, Weddles said, he's the best strength
1:55:16
Speaker 4: coach I've ever had in my entire career. The utes
1:55:18
Speaker 4: are lucky to have him. When players get back, ask
1:55:21
Speaker 4: them what they think of Steve. That's all you need
1:55:23
Speaker 4: to know. He had a question about I'm curious about
1:55:27
Speaker 4: the bad pub around Saunders, and Weddle's response to that
1:55:31
Speaker 4: was he was the scapegoat for COVID nonsense that happened
1:55:34
Speaker 4: and built in Baltimore. Got blamed for things that weren't
1:55:37
Speaker 4: even his fault. You will see, I wouldn't have suggested
1:55:39
Speaker 4: Morgan to interview him if I didn't believe he was
1:55:42
Speaker 4: the best and would help our program that needed it.
1:55:45
Speaker 4: And last, the last thing he said is if he
1:55:47
Speaker 4: ever became a college or pro head coach, Steve Saunders
1:55:51
Speaker 4: would be his first hire. Which that's typical the strength
1:55:55
Speaker 4: you get the strength coach first. But that's how much
1:55:57
Speaker 4: he believes in Steve Sonders specifically.
1:55:59
Speaker 2: And look, Weddell's been around some of the best coaches
1:56:02
Speaker 2: in the game. He played for some of the best
1:56:04
Speaker 2: coaches in the game. He played for Urban Meyer, he
1:56:06
Speaker 2: played for Kyle Whittingham. He was coached by Matt Bayless,
1:56:09
Speaker 2: who was Urban Meyer's strength coach and did an incredible job.
1:56:13
Speaker 2: He played for he was coached by Doug Elisiah. He knows,
1:56:19
Speaker 2: and then he went on to incredible success in the NFL.
1:56:22
Speaker 2: Now I have a hard time because I look, I
1:56:25
Speaker 2: love Eric Weddle like he's a good friend of Minehere,
1:56:27
Speaker 2: I was texting him about this last night. It's easy
1:56:32
Speaker 2: to just kind of defer to his expertise, say, oh, well, yeah,
1:56:35
Speaker 2: if he says it's good, then it's good.
1:56:37
Speaker 3: I don't need to form my own opinion on it.
1:56:38
Speaker 2: I can't do that because I'm a radio guy and
1:56:42
Speaker 2: I'm just kind of an opinionated you know what.
1:56:44
Speaker 3: Anyway, but that goes a long way.
1:56:50
Speaker 2: Him saying that about anyone, like I trust this guy
1:56:55
Speaker 2: goes a long way, And it goes a long way
1:56:57
Speaker 2: in more ways than one. Actually, when we put in
1:57:00
Speaker 2: the context of in the next two years, the biggest
1:57:04
Speaker 2: recruit recruiting decision ever for the University of Utah football
1:57:09
Speaker 2: program is going to happen in the Wettle household. If
1:57:14
Speaker 2: Steve Saunders gets you half an inch closer to landing
1:57:18
Speaker 2: Gage weddele like, it's probably some reason to hire him.
1:57:23
Speaker 3: Little politicking going on, you think, I.
1:57:25
Speaker 2: Don't think so. I don't think that's what Morgan's doing.
1:57:28
Speaker 2: I think not the motivation. Yeah, but I think that
1:57:31
Speaker 2: Morgan is looking at it and he's saying, Okay, I
1:57:34
Speaker 2: need to separate myself from the things that weren't working
1:57:38
Speaker 2: for us in the past. I need to start moving
1:57:39
Speaker 2: towards things that will work for us better in the future.
1:57:42
Speaker 2: I've got an incredible resource in my good friend, who's
1:57:45
Speaker 2: an NFL veteran, who's maybe a Hall of Famer in
1:57:48
Speaker 2: the NFL, and he's telling me that this is the
1:57:50
Speaker 2: best guy that he's ever been around in the weight room.
1:57:54
Speaker 2: And if you trust that, it means also, I trust
1:57:57
Speaker 2: this more than I trust the reports, all the bad
1:58:00
Speaker 2: stuff from the Rashad Bateman saying like, oh, this guy's
1:58:04
Speaker 2: not good Okay, like you got to take it all
1:58:08
Speaker 2: in and I encourage all of you out there to
1:58:10
Speaker 2: do it and maybe you'll come out some way. But
1:58:13
Speaker 2: Morgan scally has a new strength coach, and the work
1:58:17
Speaker 2: being done between now and mid August is the most
1:58:23
Speaker 2: important work that this Utah football team can do. I
1:58:25
Speaker 2: told you when we went out to springball one of
1:58:28
Speaker 2: the things that struck me about this team was they
1:58:31
Speaker 2: do not A lot of them do not pass the
1:58:33
Speaker 2: eyeball test like we are accustomed to Utah football players
1:58:37
Speaker 2: passing the eyeball test. Sure there are some, but this
1:58:40
Speaker 2: team needs to get bigger, stronger, better, and this Saunders
1:58:45
Speaker 2: guy now is in charge of making that happen. Young
1:58:49
Speaker 2: players are going to be expected to step up these
1:58:51
Speaker 2: guys with Jai Moay and all these guys that were
1:58:54
Speaker 2: from a lower level. Your body has to be ready
1:58:57
Speaker 2: for the higher level. Now, your technique and your efforts
1:58:59
Speaker 2: and all that stuff you can control that the strength
1:59:02
Speaker 2: coach is going to help your body get ready and
1:59:05
Speaker 2: hopefully help your body to stay healthy.
1:59:10
Speaker 4: Anyway, and to your point about earlier, how just not
1:59:14
Speaker 4: obvious from our perspective.
1:59:17
Speaker 3: We're not in the program.
1:59:19
Speaker 4: The impact of a strength coach is we probably won't
1:59:22
Speaker 4: be talking about Steve Saunders again. We'll talk about him
1:59:24
Speaker 4: in the fall camp probably, but after that we probably
1:59:27
Speaker 4: won't talk about him again for like four years.
1:59:29
Speaker 2: I hope we don't talk about him at all next
1:59:30
Speaker 2: year because you know what that means, players aren't getting hurt.
1:59:33
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:59:35
Speaker 2: And by the way, he's been quoted in interviews saying like,
1:59:38
Speaker 2: I hate that strength the conditioning coaches get blamed for injuries.
1:59:42
Speaker 3: He doesn't like that. I don't like him saying that.
1:59:45
Speaker 2: If I'm being honest, understand the nature of your job
1:59:48
Speaker 2: is if players start to get hurt, soft tissue injuries
1:59:51
Speaker 2: ten tonightis stuff like that.
1:59:53
Speaker 3: I am going to be looking at you. We all are.
1:59:56
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Speaker 7: Okay, that explains it. Driving around town. Of course, I'm
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Speaker 7: Okay, Can I ask you a question as our nasal drippage?
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Speaker 7: Am I gonna be good talking to that microphone?
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Speaker 7: Well, look, all I know is that I'm really glad
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Speaker 7: because dry heaving for four hours in the afternoon is
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Speaker 7: not my favorite thing. I ask you a question as
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Speaker 3: Oh?
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Speaker 7: Yes, don't get that excited for I enjoy thrift based questions.
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Speaker 7: So I feel I'm a generous tipper. I have no
2:02:59
Speaker 7: problem tipping. Yeah, I think I I had a six
2:03:03
Speaker 7: month stint as a waiter in college.
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Speaker 3: I was so bad at it. I hated it. And
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Speaker 3: you know, new fault.
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Speaker 7: Everyone should work in the service industry at least once formative.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, indeed, so I twenty five percent of I'm out
2:03:17
Speaker 7: to dinner, I'll I'm fine tipping. Yeah, what's the deal
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Speaker 7: with now everywhere you go, every transaction has Like I
2:03:26
Speaker 7: just went into a market on Main Street to grab
2:03:28
Speaker 7: a couple of snacks.
2:03:29
Speaker 3: Before the show.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I check out, and it's like giving me options
2:03:33
Speaker 7: to tip. I'm just buying some M and ms in
2:03:35
Speaker 7: a bottle of water.
2:03:37
Speaker 3: There's no tip involved there.
2:03:40
Speaker 7: I like, when did this become a thing where now
2:03:43
Speaker 7: everything you have the option to tip, even though it's
2:03:45
Speaker 7: just a trance, like you didn't do anything.
2:03:47
Speaker 3: I'm just buying M and ms.
2:03:49
Speaker 2: So somewhere along the way, all businesses and it started
2:03:53
Speaker 2: with major corporations and it's filtered now and now to
2:03:56
Speaker 2: like small businesses. Yeah, they have figured out that like
2:04:00
Speaker 2: if you just ask, people might say yes, or you
2:04:05
Speaker 2: can go the opposite route and not.
2:04:07
Speaker 3: Ask and just charge a service charge. And most people are.
2:04:10
Speaker 2: Not confrontational enough to just be like, wait a second,
2:04:13
Speaker 2: why is there a ten percent service charge on you
2:04:15
Speaker 2: handing me some M and M.
2:04:17
Speaker 3: I don't want to pay that. And it worked because
2:04:19
Speaker 3: I said no tip and felt guilty.
2:04:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't feel guilty about that. And I am
2:04:24
Speaker 2: a cheap skate in most ways. But I'm a very
2:04:26
Speaker 2: generous tipper because I worked in the bar and service
2:04:30
Speaker 2: industry for a long time, and my philosophy on it
2:04:32
Speaker 2: now is like, you add an extra two to five
2:04:36
Speaker 2: dollars to somebody's tip that completes that percentage that gets
2:04:40
Speaker 2: it all the way up to twenty five percent or whatever.
2:04:42
Speaker 2: You're never ever going to miss that two to five
2:04:44
Speaker 2: dollars percent. But for them it's impactful. It makes their day,
2:04:49
Speaker 2: whereas like, oh, that ten percent tip sucks. That fifteen
2:04:52
Speaker 2: to twenty percent tip means I've done a good job today.
2:04:55
Speaker 2: So but yeah, like the stuff where they just flip
2:04:58
Speaker 2: that iPad around and they're just like, actly what happened, sir,
2:05:00
Speaker 2: I talked to you for nine seconds, Would you like
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Speaker 2: to tip me?
2:05:03
Speaker 7: I just say no to yeah, Okay, okay, I'm glad
2:05:05
Speaker 7: that I'm not alone there how much? What was a
2:05:08
Speaker 7: because the other thing that I realized when I worked
2:05:11
Speaker 7: mule Boons shout out rest in peace in college is
2:05:15
Speaker 7: there were like parents working a lot to like support
2:05:19
Speaker 7: their children as servers, and you know, you get the
2:05:24
Speaker 7: good shift and you're a pro, you can make a
2:05:26
Speaker 7: little bit of cash. But I was done my first night,
2:05:31
Speaker 7: worked a four hour shift. It was my first shift,
2:05:33
Speaker 7: so I had to do I had to move a
2:05:34
Speaker 7: bunch of tables, a bunch of chairs in addition to
2:05:36
Speaker 7: waiting tables.
2:05:37
Speaker 3: And at the end of the night, I walked away
2:05:39
Speaker 3: with like eighteen dollars.
2:05:40
Speaker 7: I stopped at Wendy's on the way home to get
2:05:43
Speaker 7: like a spicy chicken sandwich meal so I could eat something. Yeah,
2:05:47
Speaker 7: And I realized my take on that, and I was
2:05:48
Speaker 7: like eleven bucks. Yeah, cool, Well it's not cool at
2:05:52
Speaker 7: all wonderful.
2:05:53
Speaker 3: It's slavery.
2:05:54
Speaker 7: What was the now As the bouncer, you were creatively
2:05:59
Speaker 7: probably accepting like, oh, you can get to the front
2:06:01
Speaker 7: of line for one hundred bucks here or there.
2:06:03
Speaker 1: That.
2:06:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like I would bartend and make you know,
2:06:06
Speaker 2: a couple hundred bucks a night. Sometimes at the most
2:06:08
Speaker 2: I ever made bartend it made like a thousand bucks
2:06:10
Speaker 2: in a night. Oh, and I was like, this is
2:06:12
Speaker 2: incredible because I was in my early twenties and life
2:06:16
Speaker 2: was cheaper back then.
2:06:17
Speaker 3: I was like, this is wild.
2:06:19
Speaker 2: Working front doors up at the Sundance Film Festival was
2:06:24
Speaker 2: like outrageous. So the policy was the two door guys.
2:06:30
Speaker 2: You would just take your one hundred dollars handshakes right,
2:06:34
Speaker 2: and then you would hand it over to you'd hand
2:06:37
Speaker 2: over the wad of cash to the guys that like
2:06:41
Speaker 2: the boss. Basically yeah, yeah, right. And there was a
2:06:46
Speaker 2: couple of nights where I was like it wasn't fitting
2:06:49
Speaker 2: in my pocket well anymore these wads of cash. And
2:06:52
Speaker 2: the right thing to do is because I get to
2:06:54
Speaker 2: be on the front door, but all the guys inside
2:06:56
Speaker 2: are dealing with the drunks and the idiots and that
2:06:58
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, so they got to get theirs as well.
2:07:01
Speaker 2: But the guy who was running the security company, former.
2:07:05
Speaker 3: Utah football player in his own right, shout.
2:07:07
Speaker 2: Out Rob's Rob, and he knew the kind of the score.
2:07:12
Speaker 2: He'd be like, all right, well, door guys, because you
2:07:15
Speaker 2: got to really craft who are crowd is tonight. You
2:07:18
Speaker 2: get half of the take and everyone else is going
2:07:20
Speaker 2: to split the other half of the take.
2:07:22
Speaker 3: When and I took.
2:07:23
Speaker 2: Home four grand oh my gosh working the front door
2:07:25
Speaker 2: at Sundance, and I was like, I mean that is
2:07:29
Speaker 2: before I had fought at a high level. That is
2:07:31
Speaker 2: before I mean I had never made that kind of
2:07:33
Speaker 2: money for six hours of work. And I thought the
2:07:36
Speaker 2: retired king of the world.
2:07:37
Speaker 7: Yeah, It's funny when you're younger, how much how little
2:07:41
Speaker 7: you understand about how money works. And when you're like
2:07:44
Speaker 7: eight years old, if you get twenty bucks, you're like, well,
2:07:46
Speaker 7: I am I even going.
2:07:47
Speaker 3: To school anymore?
2:07:48
Speaker 7: Yeah, like I'm good. Twenty dollars, Well I'm not going
2:07:51
Speaker 7: to school. Pop tarts I could buy with this. Did
2:07:53
Speaker 7: you ever have any celebs cracky off something crazy at Sundance?
2:07:58
Speaker 2: Matthew McConaughey showed up. Matthew Kanae showed up in a
2:08:03
Speaker 2: disguise like a comically bad spirit Halloween wig and some
2:08:10
Speaker 2: big reflective aviator glasses, and like, if you're walking in
2:08:16
Speaker 2: the dark in the snow in Park City, you probably
2:08:18
Speaker 2: don't realize it's Matthew McConaughey. If he's walking up to
2:08:22
Speaker 2: you to get into the club. It's pretty easy to
2:08:24
Speaker 2: recognize that he's Matthew McConaughey.
2:08:26
Speaker 3: But of course the kosher thing is to not be like.
2:08:28
Speaker 2: Oh, Matthew mcconne here, we got a picture, and you know,
2:08:31
Speaker 2: just like, hey man, big fan of true Detective, thanks
2:08:34
Speaker 2: for whatever.
2:08:35
Speaker 3: And I wouldn't have been true Detective at that time.
2:08:37
Speaker 2: He hadn't even done true Detective whatever I said to him,
2:08:39
Speaker 2: and he just got oh, thanks man, you know, and
2:08:42
Speaker 2: not on the way in. On the way out, probably
2:08:45
Speaker 2: after he'd been greased up a little bit. He was
2:08:47
Speaker 2: handing out. He's handing out Benji's.
2:08:49
Speaker 3: So that was nice. Nice.
2:08:52
Speaker 7: The most disappointing celebrity interaction you've ever had, Chuck Ladell,
2:08:57
Speaker 7: Oh really yeah, mind Sean pen on a wall who
2:09:01
Speaker 7: by the way, Oh yeah, yeah, you know. Lela's over there,
2:09:04
Speaker 7: that grill that oh my gosh, it's right on the
2:09:06
Speaker 7: golf course Turtle Bay. I hope it's still there, because
2:09:09
Speaker 7: Turtle Bay has been now it's like a ritz or something,
2:09:12
Speaker 7: which sucks. But Leiley is their restaurant on the golf
2:09:15
Speaker 7: course is phenomenal.
2:09:17
Speaker 3: Great ribs. Get the ribs. I know you want to
2:09:19
Speaker 3: get to seafood if you're on a waho.
2:09:21
Speaker 7: But I'm sitting at the bar and Sean Penn walks
2:09:23
Speaker 7: in Okay with a girl that dude like, I don't
2:09:29
Speaker 7: know how old she was.
2:09:31
Speaker 3: She wasn't close to his age.
2:09:34
Speaker 7: And he's sitting there and he comes walking over and
2:09:37
Speaker 7: stands next to me to order them drinks. And I
2:09:40
Speaker 7: was just like, I was like, hey, look, celebrities are people.
2:09:44
Speaker 7: I grew up around these people, so I'm not like starstruck.
2:09:47
Speaker 7: I really never am. They are just people just like
2:09:50
Speaker 7: you and I. They might have an extraordinary skill set
2:09:52
Speaker 7: or whatever it is. So I wasn't gonna like bother him.
2:09:55
Speaker 7: But he's standing right next to me. I'm like, hey man,
2:09:57
Speaker 7: big fan. He just looks at me and laughs and
2:10:00
Speaker 7: and turns away.
2:10:01
Speaker 3: I'm like he not even like thank you, no, nothing,
2:10:03
Speaker 3: oh hey, nice to meet you. No.
2:10:04
Speaker 7: And I wasn't like, hey, Into the Wild is an
2:10:07
Speaker 7: amazing movie, dude. I was just like hey, I was like,
2:10:10
Speaker 7: hey man, big fan, and just like scoffed at me
2:10:12
Speaker 7: and turned around and walked.
2:10:12
Speaker 3: I'm like, calm down, Sean Penn. You know that doesn't
2:10:16
Speaker 3: that's that's not surprising to me. He seems like a
2:10:18
Speaker 3: very pretentious type celebrity.
2:10:20
Speaker 7: But I'm a little surprised at at Chuck Ladell. I mean,
2:10:24
Speaker 7: I don't I have no frame of reference for him.
2:10:27
Speaker 7: But maybe it's just a bad, bad day for Chuck Ladell.
2:10:29
Speaker 7: But man, that was a rough one for me. When
2:10:31
Speaker 7: he was like at his height, that's when I was
2:10:33
Speaker 7: most in mma. Yeah, so what happened? He just blew
2:10:36
Speaker 7: you off or what?
2:10:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just blew me off. Yeah, it's too bad.
2:10:39
Speaker 2: And I was just like I was I had I
2:10:43
Speaker 2: hadn't met I got to interview him when I was
2:10:46
Speaker 2: like a long time ago, and it was a bad interview.
2:10:49
Speaker 3: But I'm like whatever interviews sucked.
2:10:51
Speaker 2: When I actually got to meet him, I had already
2:10:53
Speaker 2: fought in the UFC, I was fighting in the PFL.
2:10:56
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean he knows who I am, but he knows
2:10:58
Speaker 2: like he fought my coach. Yeah, so like you know,
2:11:02
Speaker 2: and you're in the ecosystem and he was just like
2:11:06
Speaker 2: was he was he blasted or was he sober? You
2:11:09
Speaker 2: can never tell what Chuck?
2:11:11
Speaker 7: Well, Uh, he certainly had a minute where I felt
2:11:14
Speaker 7: like he was kind of like the biggest star of
2:11:15
Speaker 7: the UFC.
2:11:16
Speaker 2: Had he was, the UFC probably never would have got
2:11:19
Speaker 2: to where it got without him and Randy and Tito
2:11:22
Speaker 2: and those guys in those days.
2:11:23
Speaker 3: So never a big Tito guy. I don't think that's
2:11:25
Speaker 3: a hot take.
2:11:26
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a hot take. You know what's
2:11:28
Speaker 2: funny about Tito? Just go find him the memes of
2:11:30
Speaker 2: how dumb Tito really? Like the quotes of him trying
2:11:34
Speaker 2: to answer question. Yeah, it's just absolutely hilarious. He's it's
2:11:38
Speaker 2: kind of like the rbl re stuff that you're seeing
2:11:41
Speaker 2: where people like, guess his brain might actually be a
2:11:43
Speaker 2: football Like it's a point of pride for him. They
2:11:45
Speaker 2: had a point four GPA in high school at one point,
2:11:49
Speaker 2: and overcame that. You're just like, dude, good thing you
2:11:52
Speaker 2: can play football, get a point four by writing your
2:11:54
Speaker 2: name on the paper.
2:11:55
Speaker 3: No, I'm sure you came across this.
2:11:58
Speaker 7: There are just some dudes where you just like, I'm
2:12:00
Speaker 7: so glad you're an athlete, because otherwise you would be
2:12:03
Speaker 7: living outside when you finish school.
2:12:06
Speaker 2: So you know, yeah, there's some of those. God bless
2:12:10
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