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What's At Stake For The Tigers? · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome in to another episode of Tiger Territory, part
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  Speaker 1: of the Foul Territory Network Detroit Tigers podcast. I'm Keenan Stegley.
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  Speaker 1: With me, as always, a man who is no cap,
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  Speaker 1: except when it's time to be all cap. He is
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  Speaker 1: Cody Stavenhagen. How are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Doing all right. I don't break out all caps on
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  Speaker 2: the keyboard very often, I tell you that. There have
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  Speaker 2: been some times this year where I've thought about that.
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  Speaker 2: Can I start this story with just all-caps yelling rage?
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  Speaker 2: Not really my style, but it's crossed my mind.
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  Speaker 1: There have been some times where it's appropriate, and maybe
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  Speaker 1: we're recording this Friday morning and maybe Thursday's game. There
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  Speaker 1: are a couple instances where some all-caps might have not
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  Speaker 1: been the worst reaction on the planet. Fromber, who, for
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  Speaker 1: the most part, was excellent last night, but the big
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  Speaker 1: mistake was the big mistake. And that's, you know, throwing a,
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  Speaker 1: throwing a sinker middle up and, and the Tigers never
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  Speaker 1: really recover from that. Maybe Spencer Torkelson getting thrown out
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  Speaker 1: at second, not even trying to stretch a single into
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  Speaker 1: a double, just trying to get a double. Uh, and,
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  Speaker 1: and then a couple of balls off the wall as well. Uh, so,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just, uh, A lot of this stuff from
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  Speaker 1: last night's game, and I'm quoting Jason Beck here, a
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  Speaker 1: microcosm of Detroit's struggles this season. I'm going to read
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  Speaker 1: some stats from his story, if you guys don't mind.
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  Speaker 1: The Tigers are 17-32 against division foes. 30-22 last year,
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  Speaker 1: 28-24 the year before. They are 21-48 in games decided
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  Speaker 1: by two runs or less. And that's 9-3 in division
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  Speaker 1: games decided by two runs or less.
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  Speaker 2: So....
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  Speaker 1: Not great. Not great, Bob. And here's something that's crazy, Cody.
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  Speaker 1: The Tigers have yet to win a division game on
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  Speaker 1: the road decided by two runs or less this season. 0-13. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Last year, they were 11-3 in said situations.
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  Speaker 2: That goes a long way.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that explains a lot. Why has the team
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  Speaker 1: not been well? That would be it right there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's one of those things. Is that just luck?
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  Speaker 2: Is that just bad luck? Or, as we've kind of
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  Speaker 2: talked about, can you just not win close games because
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  Speaker 2: your bullpen has been terrible in leveraged situations? I would
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  Speaker 2: say it's probably a combination of both. Bullpen's been very
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  Speaker 2: bad in leveraged situations. That makes it tough to win
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  Speaker 2: close games. Does that necessarily mean you should be 0-13?
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  Speaker 2: Probably not. You would hope one or two of those,
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  Speaker 2: you might end up on the right side of the ledger.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, the... The part that, you know, everyone
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  Speaker 1: brings up the bullpen and well-earned bringing up the bullpen
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  Speaker 1: this season. But I was thinking, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: the stats bear it out, Cody, but it does kind
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  Speaker 1: of feel like the first inning of games, like the
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  Speaker 1: Tigers had more than their share of just kind of
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  Speaker 1: like bad first innings or getting down multiple run first
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  Speaker 1: innings and then not really being able to recover. And again,
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  Speaker 1: Fromber pitched excellently, but three runs in the first, and
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  Speaker 1: then obviously they could only scratch out one run the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the game. I mean, that's the ball game.
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  Speaker 1: And so I wonder, do they have bad back end
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  Speaker 1: and bad front end? If that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Some games it certainly seemed like that, especially in a
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  Speaker 2: lot of Fromber Valdez starts. We all know he just,
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  Speaker 2: for whatever reason, has struggled getting into the game at
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  Speaker 2: some points. And we've even seen that with pitchers like
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  Speaker 2: Troy Melton. Some guys just haven't come out of the
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  Speaker 2: bullpen to start the game being completely sharp. It's been
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  Speaker 2: pretty odd. I looked and the Tigers have a 3.59
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  Speaker 2: ERA in the first inning, which is not really out
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  Speaker 2: of line with what you would expect with how they've
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  Speaker 2: performed throughout most of the game. So I think it's
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  Speaker 2: really just been some outlier first innings that have been
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  Speaker 2: really ugly and put the team in a hole. The
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  Speaker 2: jump scare is actually the eighth inning where they have
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  Speaker 2: a 5.06 ERA. So don't love that. But it also
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  Speaker 2: may speak here into a team that is offensively limited.
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  Speaker 2: The Tigers are 18th in OPS this year. They were
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  Speaker 2: 12th last year. After all the talk, it's been a
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  Speaker 2: worse offense. It just has. We saw it in that
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  Speaker 2: last night's game, just a failure to execute with runners
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  Speaker 2: in scoring position. They had some opportunities. They didn't convert.
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  Speaker 2: And so as such, the Tigers are 23-46 when the
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  Speaker 2: opponent scores first. They have not come from behind to
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  Speaker 2: win a lot, and I think that's less about the
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  Speaker 2: bullpen and more about an offense that is, depending on
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  Speaker 2: what measure you want to look at, average to below average.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, like, part of the run differential
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  Speaker 1: aspect to this team is that this team is kind
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  Speaker 1: of very like with the case with, you would expect
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  Speaker 1: with young players, a lot of highs and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of lows and they had, and, and the water finding
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  Speaker 1: its level, as I like to say, uh, 10 tends
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  Speaker 1: to go a little bit lower when, when you're playing
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  Speaker 1: those kinds of young players. And, and look, I mean, uh,
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  Speaker 1: well shout out Gleyber Torres for legging out, like, you know, that, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, getting the feelers choice there. I couldn't believe
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  Speaker 1: he got to first base before that ball, uh, reach
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  Speaker 1: first because, you know, let's face it. Labor doesn't run
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  Speaker 1: all that much. Uh, you know, got, got the tigers
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  Speaker 1: on the board. So that was, that was a fun
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  Speaker 1: site to see. And, um, and then some other bookkeeping
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  Speaker 1: elements here. Uh, Cal Finnegan looks like his season is over. Um, Reminder, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: he is under contract next year. So somebody who the
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  Speaker 1: Tigers are going to have to figure out a proper
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  Speaker 1: place for. If I were to sum up Finnegan this year,
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  Speaker 1: I think his inability and their inability to find a
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  Speaker 1: proper place for him kind of ended up hurting his
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  Speaker 1: numbers and the team as a whole.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be pretty interesting. Finnegan's a guy
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  Speaker 2: you got to get right. I had started to wonder, man,
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  Speaker 2: does this guy just hurt? Because it seemed like it
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  Speaker 2: was never turning around. And then recent outings, the velo
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  Speaker 2: started to tick down. It got real concerning. I would
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  Speaker 2: be curious, you know, if he was maybe fighting through
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  Speaker 2: something for most of this year and we just didn't
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  Speaker 2: know about it. A guy with his track record, it
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  Speaker 2: was kind of hard to explain. It was just never turning.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't locating his pitches. They were getting crushed or
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  Speaker 2: he was walking guys. It was a weird year for
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  Speaker 2: Kyle Finnegan. Important that he comes back, hopefully, A, with
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  Speaker 2: a clean bill of health, and B, better next season.
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  Speaker 2: But he's 35 now. He's no longer a spring chicken,
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  Speaker 2: even though he had kind of a delayed start to
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  Speaker 2: his major league career. Didn't debut until he was 28.
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  Speaker 2: He had a really long journey through the minors. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he's 35, and sometimes your body starts breaking down a
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  Speaker 2: little bit, or you just can't quite execute at the
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  Speaker 2: level you were once used to. We've seen that with
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  Speaker 2: some other Tigers pitchers over Over the last couple of years,
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  Speaker 2: big offseason ahead for Kyle Finnegan. I don't think you
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  Speaker 2: can rely on him being your eighth inning guy next season.
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  Speaker 2: It's a reminder that the Tigers have to bring in
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  Speaker 2: some other arms. There's going to have to be some
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  Speaker 2: competition for those leverage roles. I still think with a
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  Speaker 2: productive offseason, Kyle Finnegan could come back and be a
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  Speaker 2: really effective pitcher because he's just done it for so
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  Speaker 2: long at the major league level, but Yeah, it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: necessarily feel like something you can really bank on. Or
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  Speaker 2: if it were me, I wouldn't be penciling him in
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  Speaker 2: to that leverage role anymore. There's just too much at stake.
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  Speaker 2: The bullpen has to be better next season.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, very well said. All right, we are going to
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  Speaker 1: get to a quick break. And then afterward, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about what's at stake here in the last
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  Speaker 1: week plus of the season. But first, a word from
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  Speaker 1: our sponsors. All right, coming back here, a little... We've
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  Speaker 1: got to call ourselves out for a second, Cody. We
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  Speaker 1: talked about in our last episode, Cater Montero and sort
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  Speaker 1: of like his place in the rotation moving forward. And
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  Speaker 1: we listed like, you know, the names that are going
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  Speaker 1: to be in contention for those five spots. And we
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  Speaker 1: missed a glaring one, River Riot.
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  Speaker 2: I knew I was forgetting somebody. But also the out
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  Speaker 2: of sight, out of mind thing looms large there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so, you know, it's... Well, it's also we
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  Speaker 1: haven't seen him pitch at the Major League level for
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  Speaker 1: the Tigers or at the Major League level in a bit. So, yeah. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: if they can get him in a start or any
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  Speaker 1: sort of role this season just to kind of see it,
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  Speaker 1: that would be great. I think that would do the
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  Speaker 1: fan base a lot of good as well. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he figures to be a major piece moving forward. And, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: as we've talked about, probably– in the eyes of the organization,
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  Speaker 1: the prize in the Tarek Skubal return with Zaire Hope
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  Speaker 1: being another, you know, key piece there, which speaking of that,
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  Speaker 1: Zaire Hope and Bryce Rainer will be playing in the AFL.
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  Speaker 1: That was announced, I think last week, you know, all
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  Speaker 1: the days are running together on me. So nice to
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  Speaker 1: see those guys put together some good, good fall seasons.
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  Speaker 1: Hope is a guy that again, A lot of hope
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  Speaker 1: kind of riding on him, too, because I'm a big
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  Speaker 1: believer in his talent. But both guys in their own way,
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  Speaker 1: not Rainer, not Rainer, hope in Ryan, both guys in
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  Speaker 1: their own way kind of polarizing as despite not actually
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  Speaker 1: playing yet for the Major League Tigers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, River Ryan threw just a couple days
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  Speaker 2: ago in Toledo two and two-thirds innings, five hits, two
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  Speaker 2: earned runs, one walk, two strikeouts. So it seems like
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  Speaker 2: the stuff, again, it's top-level stuff. The execution wasn't necessarily elite.
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  Speaker 2: It's late September now. Are they going to get him
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  Speaker 2: in the big leagues? If so, he's really not stretched
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  Speaker 2: out at all, so it sounds like it would be
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  Speaker 2: a shorter outing Again, seemingly he's been healthy this whole time,
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  Speaker 2: but I think when the Tigers traded for him, they
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  Speaker 2: were probably expecting to get him at the big league
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  Speaker 2: level a little more. I know River Rhine's camp certainly was.
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  Speaker 2: So you don't go into the offseason with a great
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  Speaker 2: taste in your mouth, and that leads to people like
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  Speaker 2: me just kind of forgetting that, oh yeah, this guy's
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  Speaker 2: going to be a big part of things. Actually, another reason,
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  Speaker 2: the Cater Montero, I don't know, he could go back
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  Speaker 2: to the bullpen because... Let's be real. Who are the
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  Speaker 2: Tigers going to kind of give the most opportunity? Cater,
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  Speaker 2: who just quietly goes about his work and is good
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  Speaker 2: no matter what you ask of him? Or River Ryan,
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  Speaker 2: the centerpiece of the Scooble trade, the thing that Scott Harris'
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  Speaker 2: legacy in Detroit partially hinges on? Who do you think
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  Speaker 2: is going to get kind of the most chance to
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  Speaker 2: be a starter there? Now, Ryan's body obviously has to
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  Speaker 2: hold up. There's actually a lot of reliever risk in
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  Speaker 2: his profile. Super fascinating pitcher. We've actually talked about him
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  Speaker 2: a lot despite overlooking him in our, our last episode,
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  Speaker 2: he's going to factor into the mix. I really want
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  Speaker 2: to see him in the big leagues this year. Um,
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  Speaker 2: the Tigers suddenly have a lot left that they're trying
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  Speaker 2: to squeeze into like this final homestand, which I guess
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  Speaker 2: we may get interesting if nothing else. Um, that's just
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  Speaker 2: kind of where it is. And then, then hope, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he's after a slow start that got a lot of attention.
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  Speaker 2: He's kind of had a really strong finish to the
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  Speaker 2: year in Erie. Um, he's, he's, he's an interesting guy
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  Speaker 2: as well. I mean, he, he came over to Erie and, uh,
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  Speaker 2: overall hit two 69, a three 61 base percentage hits
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  Speaker 2: six home runs. So he finished the year with 29
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  Speaker 2: homers in the minor leagues quality, um, a quality two
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  Speaker 2: 87 average eight 80 OPS. This guy can swing it
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  Speaker 2: a little bit here. And I, I don't, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think the bat is, is the concern with him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And there have been some scouting reports recently about
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  Speaker 1: him that, um, you know, may not be the most encouraging,
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  Speaker 1: but again, he's a young guy who's still, you know,
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  Speaker 1: figuring everything out. And I do believe the Tigers like
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  Speaker 1: can correctly identify the ways to get the, get the
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  Speaker 1: most out of him with all that.
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  Speaker 2: Basically calling out his, his lack of shape, uh, physical shape.
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  Speaker 2: It seems kind of evident just from the eye. Um,
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  Speaker 2: he'll have an off season and try to get in
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  Speaker 2: a little better shape. I'll be super interested to see
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  Speaker 2: what he looks like coming into spring training. Obviously he
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  Speaker 2: would have a chance to be knocking on the door
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  Speaker 2: of the big leagues with a productive off season and
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  Speaker 2: a good camp. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And might be this lockout goes on long enough. Might
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  Speaker 1: be one of the guys we pay attention to.
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  Speaker 2: Might have plenty of time to get into shape. Also
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  Speaker 2: plenty of time to, To get into some bad habits,
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  Speaker 2: not eat a good diet, all that stuff. So, yeah, important,
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  Speaker 2: really important, especially given the lockout, Karen, you're not wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Bryce Rayner, just real quick, he's coming. Like,
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  Speaker 1: that's one to really get excited about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, as far as the Fall League, man, look, I
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  Speaker 2: know it's an important developmental time. I know a lot
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  Speaker 2: of scouts and player development executives really value the Fall League.
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  Speaker 2: Me personally, I don't care about the Arizona Fall League.
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  Speaker 2: You know what these guys are going to do? They're
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  Speaker 2: going to go down there and they're going to rake.
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  Speaker 2: They're not that many guys pitching in the AFL. The
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  Speaker 2: good pitching prospects who are healthy aren't getting sent there
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  Speaker 2: to put more innings on their arm. It's guys who
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  Speaker 2: either had broken seasons or guys who were just like, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to be two of the better hitters in
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  Speaker 2: the AFL. They're going to freaking rake. I guess it's
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  Speaker 2: good experience. We can learn some things about them, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm not one to overreact to like, Oh, so-and-so did
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  Speaker 2: this in the Arizona fall league. It seems like any, uh,
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  Speaker 2: like Max Anderson, our boy raked in the AFL and
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  Speaker 2: that didn't, that didn't get him a shot in the
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  Speaker 2: big leagues this year. Yeah. Kevin McGonigal now also raked
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  Speaker 2: in the AFL and that got him to like skip
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  Speaker 2: triple a, but, um, again, these guys were going to
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  Speaker 2: hit no matter what. And the same thing is going
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  Speaker 2: to happen. I would assume with, uh, Bryce Rainer and Zaire. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, all right, let's get into, uh, sort of the
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  Speaker 1: meat there's a pun for you, the meat of this podcast,
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  Speaker 1: which is, uh, you know, what's at stake, uh, for,
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  Speaker 1: for the tigers as we go on, you know, just
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  Speaker 1: a hair over a week left in the, in the
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  Speaker 1: regular season. And, uh, instead of like kind of ranking,
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  Speaker 1: like all these guys, I kind of put like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: one V one as a way to kind of talk
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  Speaker 1: about them, Cody. And, you know, you mentioned Kevin McGonigal,
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  Speaker 1: we can just kind of start right there. I kind
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  Speaker 1: of was thought what's who's got more at stake the
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  Speaker 1: rest of this season. Kevin McGonigal or Max Clark. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the reason I put those two together is because, A,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to be paired up in people's minds, you know,
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  Speaker 1: for as long as they're both Tigers. But Max Clark
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  Speaker 1: quietly just putting together, like, a quality, like, major league
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  Speaker 1: stint here, you know, and I've been, like, really encouraged with, like,
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  Speaker 1: the small things with him, and I do believe in
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  Speaker 1: the upside as well. Kevin McGonigal. uh, it's Kevin McGonigal,
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  Speaker 1: although what do you have two errors last night? Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and maybe almost just.
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  Speaker 2: One, several misplays lately. We can say that for sure.
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  Speaker 1: And, and, uh, I joke like is Kevin McGonigal playing
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  Speaker 1: third base, the new Riley green and left field saving
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  Speaker 1: his body because Kevin McGonigal is getting a lot of
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  Speaker 1: work and, and, You know, diving for plays and all
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  Speaker 1: that stuff. I don't know if I was really feeling
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  Speaker 1: the whole saving his body thing by having him at
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  Speaker 1: third base as opposed to shortstop. But anyway, McGonigal, like,
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  Speaker 1: he is an established, I'll just say it, star. Like,
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  Speaker 1: he is a star. But he does have something at
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  Speaker 1: stake here where if he can finish strong and leave
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  Speaker 1: no doubt that he's the rookie of the year, Then
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  Speaker 1: the draft pick compensation comes into effect. So that is like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, for the organization, especially this one, that is
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  Speaker 1: real stakes. And then Max Clark, you know, nothing is
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  Speaker 1: set in stone for him in terms of 2027, except
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  Speaker 1: like he's going to be in the mix. But like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's still the Parker Meadows thing looming. There's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of other stuff looming for him in terms
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  Speaker 1: of his role as an everyday center fielder. So who
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  Speaker 1: do you think has more at stake? Max Clark? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if I had to pick one, I would say
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  Speaker 2: Max Clark. I don't know that either have a ton
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  Speaker 2: at stake in these next nine games. I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: guess McGonigal can't go 0 for 35 or something. That
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  Speaker 2: might not be good. But I think I continue to
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  Speaker 2: believe he's going to win Rookie of the Year, although
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  Speaker 2: Parker Messick has staged an incredible season. You know, even
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  Speaker 2: the war still favors McGonigal and Clark. McGonigal's having a
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  Speaker 2: historic rookie season, especially if you're a fan of baseball
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  Speaker 2: reference war. It's just been such an incredible year. So
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  Speaker 2: easy to underappreciate because he just goes about his business.
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  Speaker 2: It's not flashy. He just hits lasers all over the field.
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  Speaker 2: The defense, it's kind of interesting the amount of misplays
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: that seem to have stacked up lately. But defensively, he's
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: still been better than, you know, I think anyone would
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: have thought coming into spring training, an incredible rookie year.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: It'd be nice to see him win that rookie of
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: the year based on what he's done. And then yeah,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: wouldn't hurt if the Tigers happened to get a draft
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: pick out of that with Max Clark. Again, I don't
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: know that there's a ton at stake in a traditional sense.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're right. He's maybe not guaranteed, guaranteed anything
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: coming into spring, but kind of like the river Ryan conversation.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, who's, who's getting first shot the number three
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: overall draft pick or the guy who's been hurt the
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: past two years was drafted in a previous regime might be, um,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: on the way out Clark. Shockingly, we almost haven't talked
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: about enough. I've been so impressed with what he's done.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: He's like answered a lot of questions I had about
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: him and he's come up his first taste of the
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: major leagues and he's just looked freaking solid, man. Um,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: 278 average 355 on base percentage he's shown a little
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: bit of power he's shown he can hit to all
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: fields the legs he already has three triples five stolen
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: bases 1.4 wins above replacement karen in a pretty short
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: sample he is really looked like the kind of the
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: best version of himself and a guy who's still Also,
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: getting comfortable in the major leagues. If you want to
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: start believing in that Corbin Carroll version of Max Clark,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: the Max Clark who could be a 5-6 win player,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: it's not crazy to see. It's not always that easy,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: so I'm sure there will be some more ups and downs.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: If he plays at 162 next year, there might be
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: some slumps, some lower moments, but this thing. This guy
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: can play. He's incredibly smart. He's fascinating to talk to
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: about the game. I just think he's made such a
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: strong impression. He's looked absolutely like he belongs at this level.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: So really, the person at stake, it's going to be
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Parker Meadows. He's going to be fascinating next spring training.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: We all know his upside. That still exists. Unfortunately, he
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: just hasn't played consistently in two years. what do you
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: do with a profile like that maybe he could just
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: be the most athletic fourth outfielder in the history of
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: the world I don't know what that's going to end
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: up looking like but it'll be a pretty interesting talking
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: point no doubt.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah Yeah, looking forward to seeing that play out. And again,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: you would have thought that with this level of success
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Max Clark has had at this point in his major
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: league career, there'd be some sort of noise associated with it. No?
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Naturally, it's like no one's even paying attention. I guess
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: maybe that's a reflection of the fact that Tigers are
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: out of it, but given the lightning rod he was
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: in spring training, I thought there would be, whether positive
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: or not, I just thought there would be more conversation
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: around Max Clark, and even when he slashes a triple somewhere. Like,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like that's getting attention on social media.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: It's kind of weird.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: A little, a little change, a little change eventually. Just wait.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Uh, all right. So this one is two guys that, uh,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: are established or I should say like are firmly in
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: the organization's future, but still kind of trying to figure
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: out what's, what all is in there. Jackson, Job or
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Colt Keith, who has more.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Oh man. Um, I think Colt Keith, because as we've
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: kind of talked about, it's hard to know what his
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: role is, where he fits on next year's roster. Again,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I'm still a believer he's probably part of this thing.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: He kind of gets a lot of criticism, and it's
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: weird because the numbers aren't bad. It's a. 259 average.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: It's a. 323 on base, a. 729 OPS. It's not bad.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: It's just not quite great. It's not all-star level. He's
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: not a perfect fit anywhere defensively, and so it's just
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: hard to know what to make of Colt Keith. Anything
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: he can do to leave a strong impression I think helps.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: If the Tigers have sought clarity, I don't know if
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: they've sought clarity with the first base platoon or whatever
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: it may be down the stretch. I don't know if
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: they've really got any. Of course, it's been Torku, as
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: we talked about, just Casual posted 1,000 OPS. Kind of
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: remind everyone about the good version of Twerk. And Keith
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: has just quietly been fine. I don't know what that means.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: In terms of Jackson Jobe, look, he's a very, very
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: important player for the Tigers going forward. I don't know
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: that there's a ton at stake because he's going to
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: show up to camp. He's going to be expected to
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: be part of the rotation. There is certainly going to
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: be a pressure, I think more next year, to look
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: like a budding ace and to know how to use
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: his stuff. He'll be well-removed from Tommy John surgery. That
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: won't really be like a crutch in the narrative anymore.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Next year's kind of going to be Jackson Jobe's time
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: to assert himself, but I think that's more of a
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: next-year storyline than him facing anything at stake the remainder
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: of this season. It'd be nice to see him go
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: out and have another terrific outing like he did in
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: his previous start.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, this is all building up to that.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: So it's at stake, but it's kind of thin-staked in
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: that way. How about Eduardo Valencia and Drew Anderson?
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to go with Drew Anderson because this
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: guy's got money on the line, a $ 10 million player option.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: It seems like he has... increasingly just kind of made
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: a quiet case to be picked up a three, six,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: two ERA. Um, man, look at those strikeouts, 109 Ks
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: and 102 innings, uh, not necessarily phenomenal all year. He's
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: had some low moments, but he, he's, he's made a
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: case to pick up that option and to be able
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: to continue his career at the major league level in
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: the same organization. I know he's had an interesting, um,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: family situation this year, you know, his wife is from Japan,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: and so I think stability would probably be great for
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Drew Anderson, and it seems like he's increasingly getting a
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: chance to achieve said stability, but there's certainly something at
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: stake for him going into this offseason, whereas Valencia made
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: a fairly compelling case to come show up to camp
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: next year and be the backup catcher. Anything else? You
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: can look at those numbers.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: That's a case.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: It is. It is. And I'm surprised. It feels like
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: he's like falling off a little bit, right? Like hitting
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: three 20. Now, obviously still not walking, uh, at, at
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: the rate you would probably like to see. And that's
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: going to have to be part of it. If he
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: begins playing more, it's not perfect behind the plate. Um,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: he's had done some good things, done some, some bad
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: things behind the plate, but I think we've seen what
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: this bat can be, uh, And I think it's going
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: to be hard for anyone else to come in and
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: unseat him. I mean, I would expect the Tigers to add, uh,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: probably the typical like veteran catcher, maybe on a minor
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: league deal, the Tomas Nito type, even, I don't know.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Could you bring back Jake Rogers? Uh, but, but I
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: think the rest of the league knows about Jake Rogers.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Now they might have some interest as well. It's just
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: going to be hard for someone to unseat Valencia given,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: given what he can do. Um, with the stick. So,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: you know, as he begins to see, to play more, uh,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: pitchers get more familiar with him. Um, we'll see if
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: he could, if he could run into some struggles, but, uh, September,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: like again, kind of, it was expecting a fall off.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's in three 48, eight 78 OPS
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: plus or OPS this month. Um, he's done some nice things.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: He's made a great case for himself. Yeah.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: And, um, And I think it's a club option for
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Drew Anderson. Yes, correct.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: So just wanted to make sure we had that correct.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Let's go with Hayu Lee and Ben Maljari.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Two guys in a very similar bucket. I guess I'll
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: say Maljari simply because his path to next year's roster
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: is a little less uncertain. or a little more uncertain,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: and he's done well at the big league level. I
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: think probably exceeded probably my expectations, except then you look
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: at it, and as we've kind of talked about, the
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: bat just seems a little fringy, 238 average, 701 OPS.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Now his speed has really showed up. He's been very
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: good in the field, but there's going to be a
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: pretty high threshold, I think, for him to make next
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: year's roster. I'm not saying he doesn't have a chance,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: but he He certainly has a chance, but he's going
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: to be in a real competition. One of those guys
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: he's going to be competing with, we just talked about,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Parker Meadows, who is a left-handed bat and brings a
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: completely different skill set. I would expect the Tigers to
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: bring in some sort of competition in their outfield. Kerry
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Carpenter will be healthy again. Maljari's presence as a righty
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: actually probably does him a lot of good here to
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: be a candidate to be that right-handed bench bat, but
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I think someone else from the outside will end up
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: entering this equation. Whereas Lee, look, I think how you
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Lee is going to come into camp expected to be
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: part of the team. I think the question is, are
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: they willing to give him a near everyday role? Is
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: he your fifth infielder? Is he, what exactly is he?
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: He's played well, as we've talked about a lot, um,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: hidden two 54, seven 25 OPS, but nine homers, um,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: it's interesting, obviously the defense, the speed, he gets knocked
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: for pretty hard. So he's only 0.1 war, which is
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: why I'm not a huge fan of just saying, Hey,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: this guy's our second baseman or whatever it may be.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: I think if you're trying to, I don't know, do,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: do this thing, like go to the post season, you
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: got to find a way to bring in a little
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: more competition. Lee is fun as he's been sitting one
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: 70 in September, tapered off a little bit. But the
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Tigers love this guy. I think he's going to get
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: an opportunity and a big one next spring. Whereas, Maljari,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: it's a little more unclear exactly what that's going to
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: look like.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: All right, what about Javi Baez and Zach McKinstry? Now, Baez,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: last year of his contract, the contract, McKinstry has had
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: a classic McKinstry season where you feel... you feel good
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: about it. You don't feel good about it. And then you, you,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: you turn around and, and it's like, you know, you gotta,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: you have to almost go by splits here, uh, with
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: him because it's been, it's been so up and down,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: but the bottom line is not, is, uh, is not
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: that great, but he's 31 getting older.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: I think the answer is obviously McKinstry because Javi Baez
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: is under contract and going to make a lot of
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: money next year, no matter what McKinstry, Classic Zach McKinstry.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Where does he fit? Does he still have a role?
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Hasn't really been very good for the totality of this season,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: but man, he still does some things you like, and
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: when he's getting on base and getting to use his
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: legs a little bit, he's an exciting player. I think
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: the Tigers still value his skill set. If the Tigers
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: were to move on from Zach McKinstry, Wouldn't they just
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: be looking for another left-handed hitter who can play multiple positions?
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: That's kind of my thing and why I'm not sure
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: the McKinstry era is over. I don't I don't know
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: but there's obviously like that conversation exists and as we
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: just talked about you know show up to camp all
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: these guys are healthy they're suddenly going to be a
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: lot of left-handed bats it may be more of a
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: matter of how the Tigers want to construct next year's
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: team what do they want their identity to be McKinstry
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: still obviously checks a lot of boxes for them, and
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: obviously they like him, and obviously he's proved value in
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: different ways over his time with the Tigers. Javi Baez,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: you know, is he the shortstop next year? Like, who
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: is playing shortstop for the 2026 Detroit Tigers?
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I think that's the default choice.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: That's... I think it probably is. I kind of think
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: it should be. But there are some big questions in
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: the infield, some big questions about Baez's role. I think
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: it's kind of been floated, but it is interesting now
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: that he only has one year remaining, now that he
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: can play every position on the diamond, is he suddenly
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: tradable if the Tigers were just to say, hey, we'll
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: eat half of this? I think he is. It seems unlikely.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: It would still take the right team to want to
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: take that on. You know, we know there's not a
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: lot of juice left in the bat. But if you
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: really wanted to, you could.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Lesser valuable players also on bad contracts have been traded.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I think you would have to eat the vast majority
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: of that money. Yeah, maybe.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: But if it's like a sort of clearing house type
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: move and it's like some team just kind of needs
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: a guy who can play all the positions and bats right, like,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: maybe get some energy into the clubhouse, into the fan base.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: It's easy to see. But all that being said, there
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: is a world where, again, Javi is a valuable asset
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: in a vacuum with the defensive versatility. I mean, we
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: talk about all these injuries and all these things, and
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: it's like, I know he had the fluke ankle injury,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: but for the most part, Javi's been there and available. Uh,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: so like there's, there's something to that when all this
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: chaos is happening and it's like, all right, well at
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: least we know we can put hobby in here, here, here, here, here.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: And maybe he'll run into one. It's not the worst.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: It's strange. She's been in this spot in September where
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: he's hardly playing. And yet I think he's going to
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: show up to camp. It's going to be like, all right,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: shortstop one, Javi Baez, John Peck hasn't really seized that role. McGonigal.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: It seems pretty clear. They just don't want him playing
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: shortstop every day. Um, Funny how that works.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, someone's got to hold down the fort until
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Rainer's ready. Trey Sweeney will probably be.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Trey Sweeney's coming back next year. Talk about among the forgotten. Wow.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, yeah. Omitted from this exercise would be guys
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: like Riley Green, who obviously are, you know, it's all
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: nothing really at stake other than just kind of keep
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: being Riley Green. I omitted Spencer Torkelson from this exercise
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: because I kind of feel like like a lot, like everything.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't really, we talked about torque a good bit.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: We all kind of, we all kind of like understand there.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: And then, but I did want to just like pose
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: this little piece. Is there, in the grand scheme of things,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't matter all that much, but is there somewhat
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: of a Justin Verlander at stake here? It's like, can
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: he get on the mound one more time? Can he
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: kind of have a good feeling, get to where the
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: old English D is? like one more time? Is there
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: just to kind of end his career on a more
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: positive note than what really this season has been?
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's the single biggest storyline in the last
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: nine games of this season. Will Justin Verlander actually throw?
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: And if so, what is that going to look like?
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: I think he's going to throw a bullpen today, Friday,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: and maybe we'll get a little more guidance as to
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: what the next step is. I don't think the Tigers
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: are going to pencil him in for any outing until,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: every single box has been checked. So that means like
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: another bullpen. And that means, that means a lot of things,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: but he's going to face hitters and we'll see how
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: that looks. We will see how that goes. This kind
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: of might be the one that lets us know like, okay,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: is this going to work or not?
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, uh, you know, I, when you said earlier
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: about like, you know, trying to squeeze a lot in
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: these last nine or so games, I was like, man,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: if the front office had their way, they probably would,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: maybe want another week, you know, just to kind of
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: get some more games in.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: They're trying to get Flaherty back, which we haven't talked
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: about a lot. They're trying to get River Ryan. And like,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: suddenly it's now like, okay, you're going to get three
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: innings of River Ryan, just to say you did a
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: couple innings of Jack Flaherty, just to say like, Hey,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: we took care of this veteran guy and let him
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: go through his rehab and your Verlander for, well, you
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: got to win some games for Kinley Jansen to get
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: to 500 saves.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Like, um, All of a sudden, there's a lot and
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: not a lot of time.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: I know. It's kind of been building to this all September, Kieran. Like,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: they could... Yeah. You know, Kerry Carpenter hasn't been ruled
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: out for the season.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Like, what are we... Like, they haven't ruled anything out,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: and they kept being like, yeah, yeah, no River will
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: pitch in the major leagues. He's going to pitch as
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: a starter. And again, they may not be wrong technically, but...
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: I was in early September just kind of being like,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: how are you going to do all of this? And
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: now we're heading into the last week of the season
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: and they haven't really done any of those things. It's
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: just kind of taken longer with all those guys. And
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: here we are. I guess this is the blessing of
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  Speaker 2: being out of contention. Which, fun while it lasted, I
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  Speaker 2: think that Thursday loss pretty much sealed any fate.
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  Speaker 1: And again, with all those stats I read at the
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  Speaker 1: beginning of the podcast, that would be why. So if
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  Speaker 1: anyone asks, why are the Tigers this? Just go to
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  Speaker 1: that story and read those stats, and that explains it all.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, we will be here to do our best
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  Speaker 1: to explain it all on Monday. We'll continue the three-episode
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  Speaker 1: schedule here as the season comes to a close. You
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  Speaker 1: guys can follow us on externally known as Twitter, at
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  Speaker 1: Cody Stabenhagen. I am at Kieran underscore Steckley pod page
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  Speaker 1: at Tiger Territory underscore. YouTube, Apple, Spotify, you guys know
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  Speaker 1: what to do. We appreciate all of you. So for
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  Speaker 1: Cody Stabenhagen, I'm Keir Steckley. Everybody have a great day.