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You Shot Noodles Out Your Nose · I Think Less of You Podcast

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  SPEAKER_01: So say you were implying that people liked you more.
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  And I was saying that's just that's something people said and a
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  nice thing people say.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't broach this subject.
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  SPEAKER_01: You did in an attempt to make me feel bad.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is not even true.
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  You don't get to now turn around and be like,
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  oh,
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  you're saying people like me less.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is not true.
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  You started the subject because you said that you could record
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  this by yourself.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, I was saying maybe I should.
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  SPEAKER_01: You didn't even need me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because you sound like the Crypt Keeper.
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  SPEAKER_01: I really do.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the most voice I've had in two days.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know this, because I sent you a voice note yesterday.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was like, we can still record.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here's my voice.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was like... I sounded like Beaker, like...
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  SPEAKER_01: A little bit.
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  SPEAKER_01: You have a history of cursed trips to the British Isles.
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  SPEAKER_01: I really do.
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  This joins in with the long,
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  long,
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  proud history of you getting weirdly ill in the old country.
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  SPEAKER_00: I actually, I did get sick on this trip going there.
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  SPEAKER_00: A little bit of food poisoning, as always happens, apparently, to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that happened when you went with me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm like a good luck charm.
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  SPEAKER_00: You were fine health wise when we were there.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was.
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't get the like mustard.
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  SPEAKER_00: When I eat mustard, it like violently expels from me.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that has happened twice.
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  SPEAKER_00: going to either the UK or Ireland just this year alone.
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  SPEAKER_00: The problem is we don't have to, like, label that in America.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I have twice been mustarded by the United Club.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just,
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  SPEAKER_01: I still,
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  SPEAKER_01: before you started trotting out your mustard allergy,
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  SPEAKER_01: I was unaware it was possible to be allergic to mustard.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, legitimately, I did not know that was a thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: In the world for anyone.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thankfully, it is not an anaphylactic allergy.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just like a very extreme.
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  SPEAKER_00: I guess it's an intolerance, not an allergy.
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  SPEAKER_00: It just I do get hives, but like also my stomach just.
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  SPEAKER_00: and quits life for a while.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a horrible existence.
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  SPEAKER_00: It really is.
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  SPEAKER_00: But then in Ireland, I came down with some kind of sinus cold.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I thought you had strep.
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  SPEAKER_01: It sounded like you had strep to me, but apparently not.
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  SPEAKER_01: Although you said you're on amoxicillin.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm on amoxicillin, and that is helping.
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  SPEAKER_00: But...
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  SPEAKER_00: My throat was so bad yesterday.
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  Like I had to hold my throat if I ever needed to like take a
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  drink or swallow anything.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I did choke on the plane.
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  SPEAKER_00: Rather hilarious.
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  SPEAKER_01: You shot noodles out your nose, which, again, another thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Who knew that was possible?
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  SPEAKER_01: Especially someone who's had so much nose work done as you.
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  um you make that sound like it was cosmetic it was not it was
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  sadly not cosmetic
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  nose surgery i did ask them to make my nose bigger and they
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  were like we don't do
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  that um and not that i have a huge nose or a small nose it just
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  i i can't breathe
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  ever so i was like can you just give me a big schnoz i don't
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  care i just want to be
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  SPEAKER_00: able to breathe and now it sounds like i need it so
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  SPEAKER_01: I actually do have a big nose, and I will say it's delightful.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a wonderful thing to have a big nose.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have no problem breathing through my nose at any time.
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  SPEAKER_01: I live a charmed and magical life in this regard, as in many.
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  SPEAKER_00: I stare at my husband sometimes, and he's like, what are you doing?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, here's...
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  SPEAKER_00: Freeloading all that oxygen.
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  SPEAKER_00: Raw dog in the air.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, you could just breathe.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm so jealous.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, Courtney, you are so weird who thinks that way.
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  SPEAKER_00: The question is, did your kids get your nose or his nose?
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  SPEAKER_00: Probably more his.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ah, lucky kids.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're attractive noses.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to sound like my kids have huge noses or anything.
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  SPEAKER_00: But they can breathe.
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  SPEAKER_01: I like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I say I have a large nose.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have a large head.
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  SPEAKER_01: You have a normal nose.
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  SPEAKER_01: My nose fits.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, it's large, but it's a big nose on a big old noggin.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had trouble buying hats, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just got a big head.
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  SPEAKER_00: So does my husband.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let me tell you how many times when I was pregnant,
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  SPEAKER_00: I would just look at him and be like,
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  SPEAKER_00: what did I do?
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  SPEAKER_00: Storing all that brain.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's the thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
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  that was the nurses when my wife was pregnant with my first
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  daughter were clearly
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  SPEAKER_01: very concerned about what was going to happen.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like they kept glancing nervously at my head.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, I did that all the time with my husband.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just was looking at him like, what have I done?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was quite angry with him for a while afterwards, each kid.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, you people are large heads.
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  SPEAKER_01: You are back in America now.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm back in my home to people listening last time.
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  SPEAKER_01: We were, I was off and far off Myrtle Beach and you were in Europe.
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  SPEAKER_01: You are now not home.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're in Arizona.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm in Arizona.
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  SPEAKER_01: My parents live in Arizona.
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  SPEAKER_00: Arizona.
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  SPEAKER_01: Typical.
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  SPEAKER_00: Typical snowbirds.
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  SPEAKER_00: They lived in Vail and,
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  SPEAKER_00: um,
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  my dad slipped and fell in the driveway one year and realized
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  he didn't want to do
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  SPEAKER_00: snow anymore.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they moved to Arizona, which bums me out, but you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: It's going to be like almost 80.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have Ireland clothes.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm not built for this.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's snowing at home.
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  I don't know why I'm not in Denver,
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  but I guess I like my kids and wanted to hang out with them.
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  What was the King of the Hill joke that Bobby Hill says that
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  Phoenix is a monument
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  SPEAKER_01: to man's hubris?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because it's so hot, man, it's clearly not meant to live there.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, it's way too hot.
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  SPEAKER_01: You sense a, I think it's a high of 74 coming up on Christmas?
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  SPEAKER_01: No, 77.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's horrible.
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  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't, no.
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  We are here because my husband actually went,
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  so he was hired out of college.
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  He had like 12 credits left and didn't finish his degree
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  because political science,
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  SPEAKER_00: like in working campaigns,
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  SPEAKER_00: you don't really need a degree.
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  SPEAKER_00: Karl Rove famously got his degree while he was working for the admin.
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  SPEAKER_00: You just don't need it in politics.
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  SPEAKER_00: But he went back and finished his 12 credits for
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  Which ended up being like 25 or something because now the
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  requirements are totally different.
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  Because he needed it for his future career pursuits,
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  which we are not covering here.
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  SPEAKER_01: But this was a requirement for his job transition.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully I can talk about that soon, but not for a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when the time comes, I'm actually really excited to talk about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just can't yet.
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  SPEAKER_00: But his graduation is on Monday.
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  So we're taking the kids and it just didn't make sense to go
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  home for a few days
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  SPEAKER_00: and then come back down.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm making him walk.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're doing the whole call the name thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: My kids are going to be there and his parents.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're so proud.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can get pictures.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm proud for my husband.
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  SPEAKER_01: See, he has a reason to get it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I always,
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  SPEAKER_01: for people who don't have a degree,
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  SPEAKER_01: there's often this like totemic quality to it where they like,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: feel like,
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  I know people who are personally very successful without the
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  college degree,
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  SPEAKER_01: who feel like not having had the degree is failing,
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  and they take time off of their successful things that they are
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  doing in life.
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  SPEAKER_01: to go get a degree.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like, dude, you don't, you don't need the hand stamp.
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  SPEAKER_01: You got around the bouncer.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like you don't need, you don't need to pay the coverage.
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  I'm not saying this for your husband because that was why I
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  wanted to clarify that
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  SPEAKER_01: he's doing,
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  SPEAKER_01: he has a reason for doing this.
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  SPEAKER_01: But like I said, for, for, for a lot of people, like, you know, I, I,
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  SPEAKER_01: I've often talked to people who I knew who didn't have degrees,
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  SPEAKER_01: who,
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  SPEAKER_01: again,
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  SPEAKER_01: were very,
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  SPEAKER_01: they had managed to live a fine life without the degree.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they're always,
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  SPEAKER_01: as soon as I start talking about a reference college,
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  SPEAKER_01: like,
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  SPEAKER_01: oh,
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  SPEAKER_01: I need to go.
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  SPEAKER_01: I need to go to college.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're fine.
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  Do I value the forms of thinking that I was inculcated with in
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  college and that I
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  SPEAKER_01: learned where I learned words like inculcated?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, of course.
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  SPEAKER_01: But,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: if you don't need,
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  SPEAKER_01: especially once you're older,
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  SPEAKER_01: you've already figured a lot of this stuff out.
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  SPEAKER_01: You really don't need it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just that we've discussed this before.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's the post baby boom, just societal expectation.
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  Everyone go to college and looks like a societal form of
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  educational Catholic guilt.
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  Yeah,
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  I really wanted him to because he promised his grandma before
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  she died that he would.
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  And just for him,
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  I wanted him to do that,
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  just to be able to say that he could.
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  SPEAKER_00: But this is just something he needed for the future.
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  SPEAKER_00: He didn't really care that he didn't have it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Although I do kind of feel like he sometimes held it against himself.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  and thought that that might be holding him back or that he was
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  being judged for
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  SPEAKER_00: that by other people,
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  SPEAKER_00: but he didn't feel that way himself.
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  Well,
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  especially he is not British,
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  but he spent a lot of time in England.
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  SPEAKER_01: He spent a lot of time with English people.
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  SPEAKER_01: The English are really weird about college degrees in general.
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  It's like their case system is partly set around whether you
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  have a degree,
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  SPEAKER_01: what your terminal degree was,
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  SPEAKER_01: where you got it in a way that it really isn't in most of America.
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  Like it is in some intellectual circles,
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  but I think as an attempt to aid the British model.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: he's also,
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  SPEAKER_00: like,
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  SPEAKER_00: a high-level...
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  SPEAKER_00: He has been throughout,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: a higher-level executive or always,
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  SPEAKER_00: like,
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  SPEAKER_00: in an executive level.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think he just will feel better that it's done.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's fine.
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  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't need to.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, he's already accomplished a ton.
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  But I'm really excited,
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  and it's fun for my kids because my kids don't really...
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  SPEAKER_00: I have a BA and it's absolutely useless.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're not in a very like academic circle.
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  SPEAKER_00: So my kids probably don't get enough of that from us.
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  And I'm excited to just take them down to the campus and get to
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  walk around.
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  SPEAKER_00: They do that up at Colorado State.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like we take them to campus.
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  SPEAKER_00: sometimes, but we're not super involved in any of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know that either of my kids will necessarily...
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  I know my son will get a degree and I know what college he
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  wants to go to and kind
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  SPEAKER_00: of what he wants to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: My daughter's still kind of figuring that out.
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  SPEAKER_00: So seeing her dad go back, I think, was a good message for her to see.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I actually...
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  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think gap years are becoming more and more common,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I think that that is,
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  SPEAKER_01: in all,
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  SPEAKER_01: probably a good thing.
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  I already have my daughters planned out for her,
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  and I may end up going on it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is it back back across Europe, the classic?
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  SPEAKER_00: No, I want us to live in Greece for a year.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Weird.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's really weird.
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  SPEAKER_01: I guess with your job, you could.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your husband's job may be more complicated, but, you know, we'll see.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll see.
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  SPEAKER_00: That actually could work with him.
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  SPEAKER_00: The...
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  SPEAKER_01: No,
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  but I knew lots of people in college who had no plan for what
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  it was they were
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  SPEAKER_01: going to be doing when they got out of college.
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  SPEAKER_01: Again,
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  SPEAKER_01: this is something I referenced before,
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  that they went to college because that was a societal
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  expectation that once high
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  SPEAKER_01: school is done,
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  SPEAKER_01: you then go to college.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I actually went in fully knowing what I wanted to do with it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was going to be a lawyer, and then I did not become a lawyer.
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  SPEAKER_01: Despite what people on Twitter may think that I am a lawyer.
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  I thought I was,
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  I went in for political science and I thought I was going to be
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  pre-law.
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  And I really quickly,
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  I had a constitutional lawyer that like class con...
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  SPEAKER_00: I cannot talk today.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am definitely on a lot of cold medication.
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  But I did take like the constitutional law class and I dropped
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  that because I hated the teacher.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was psychotic.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, you know what?
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  SPEAKER_00: This is going to be law school and shifted to a more economic focus.
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  And that's when I decided to focus on like global finance
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  instead of pre-law.
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  SPEAKER_00: Very, very, very happy I did that.
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  SPEAKER_00: It made so much more sense for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: But for a while, I thought I would be.
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  SPEAKER_00: My husband never wanted to be a lawyer, but also considered law school.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just in working in politics, it's a kind of natural fit.
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  SPEAKER_01: Law school or business school.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but he did.
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  SPEAKER_00: And his brother-in-law or his brother-in-law, his brother.
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  SPEAKER_00: My gosh, I'm pulling it together.
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  SPEAKER_00: I really am.
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  SPEAKER_00: I sound a hot mess.
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  SPEAKER_00: And also my voice sounds horrible, but I don't feel as bad as I sound.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's good.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, again, very hard to talk.
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  We came of age at a similar time when and I think your husband
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  is he's your age,
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  right?
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  SPEAKER_01: He's he's our age.
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  SPEAKER_00: You make it sound like I'm so much older than you.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am one year older than you.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, I know.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's a half a year older than you.
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  SPEAKER_01: The but that was at the time in the like, you know, late 90s.
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  SPEAKER_01: The thing was like, you know, if you go into law, that's good.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's a good profession.
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  SPEAKER_01: They always need lawyers.
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  SPEAKER_01: And,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: they make a good amount of money,
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  SPEAKER_01: which,
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  SPEAKER_01: as it turned out,
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  SPEAKER_01: everyone was told that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then lots of people went off and became lawyers.
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  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of them didn't because the market got flooded.
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  We both also like it's weird that both my husband and I knew
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  kind of early on that
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  SPEAKER_00: we wanted to be in politics.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I never had any designs to be in politics.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's not something I wanted to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: I liked doing background stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think I've told you, I was a member of the College of Publicans.
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  But when I say,
• 15:10
  like,
• 15:10
  we wanted to be in politics,
• 15:12
  we didn't want to ever be politicians.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we always wanted to work for politics.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to be a speechwriter.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:19
  And my husband wanted to be a campaign manager and district
• 15:23
  director,
• 15:23
  and both of us did that.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: I also always wanted to be a lobbyist, and I was.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: That all sounds awful to me.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it sounds awful to me now having done it.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: And you did it.
• 15:35
  And I am so happy that my husband is completely out of politics
• 15:39
  after a long time
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: and actually works with a church organization now.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_00: Catholic Charities.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's Orthodox Catholic Charities.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: I understand.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, but I will say the Catholic Charities...
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
• 15:55
  there's some immigration work and things that I don't always
• 15:58
  totally align with and
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: doesn't really do that.
• 16:02
  The kind of people who go to work for charitable organizations
• 16:05
  like that tend to be
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: bleeding heart types for the most part.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I take it.
• 16:12
  Although I used to give money to – we gave money to Doctors
• 16:17
  Without Borders for
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: years and stopped recently because they're –
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: They waited way too deep.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think what they do is in aggregate still good,
• 16:26
  but they waited way too deep into politics and waited way too
• 16:29
  deep into actively
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: helping Hamas,
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: frankly,
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: from the news stories I saw.
• 16:36
  And I was like,
• 16:37
  I cannot in good conscience continue to give these people
• 16:39
  money.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: Which is,
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: again,
• 16:41
  I think it's a shame because they do do they said much of the
• 16:44
  work they do is good.
• 16:45
  And this is why you don't sully the good work you do with
• 16:49
  getting involved in things like that.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: I only said that because I specifically like people hear so many of these
• 16:57
  organizations and how far some of those have strayed from not
• 17:01
  being political.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm really happy that Luke's group is like very not political.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's good.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's a good thing.
• 17:10
  They have this really cool program in Lebanon where they teach
• 17:13
  refugee women how to
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: start businesses.
• 17:17
  And I love that program because I'm like,
• 17:19
  yes,
• 17:19
  it's not it's not just giving people money.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's like showing them how to make their own thing.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: And it also teaching a man to fish.
• 17:28
  But it's specifically really impactful in regions where women
• 17:33
  aren't allowed to
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: have jobs and aren't really pushed towards that.
• 17:36
  So teaching women how to,
• 17:38
  like,
• 17:38
  have an at-home catering business is really cool.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know...
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how much call there is for in-home catering in Lebanon.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, maybe there might be some.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: You're thinking catering like as an American.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm thinking catering like she sells love's bread out of her house.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, OK.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like I'm having a banquet.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, hey, I've made.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: Run a home restaurant.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: Run a home restaurant.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: Not even restaurant like a lot of people do grab and go.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: There are like laundry services that people run.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's really basic.
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  The sorts of things you can do when you have a best quasi
• 18:25
  function government,
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: no real health code regulations.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well, actually, we should go back to that.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: We should go back to that in America.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: That was our cities were built on that.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: We 100 percent do.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: And actually,
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: it's funny,
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: like when we were in Ireland,
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: you notice there's a lot less regulations on things like that.
• 18:40
  There's just these crazy,
• 18:42
  weird regulations about things nobody cares about.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: And that is something I will say, like America, it's so much harder.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: We we don't think of just running at home food things.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: you know, businesses.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: Because you can't.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: You'll get fined massively and or jailed.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: The rest of the world absolutely does.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like when I was,
• 19:03
  I did a tour with the Israeli travel ministry and they had us
• 19:09
  visiting like
• 19:10
  people's houses and just going to see some of the businesses
• 19:14
  that they just built.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like we went to this one guy who served in the I.D.A.F.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: and he had trained in Germany.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: And if you've ever been to Germany,
• 19:23
  The first thing Germans always like to go on and on and on
• 19:26
  about is all of the
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: different types of bread.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: They have like 5,000 unique types of bread in Germany.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_00: And this man had trained in a ton of them.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: And we just like we roll up to his house.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: He has a little garage with a window in it.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: Had us go in.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: He had like a full professional bakery set up in this garage.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: And he baked us a ton of breads fresh.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: And we got to like go eat right there from his house run.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: It was really cool.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: You could do that in America.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: Again, that's American policy.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: You can do it in America, but you would have to go through it.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: There's so many regulations.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: One thing that I thought was really,
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: really neat on that trip to Israel,
• 20:08
  they were kind of having us look at and promote home-run
• 20:12
  businesses that people
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: had.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: They like to think of themselves as the startup capital of the world.
• 20:18
  And part of that is because their government regulations are
• 20:22
  set up in a way to
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: really encourage people to have businesses on the side.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: Every single person we met and everyone I met on a subsequent trip with a
• 20:31
  completely different group and with a completely different like
• 20:34
  promotional focus,
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: everyone I met had their own home business.
• 20:39
  All of my Israeli friends have like two or three home
• 20:42
  businesses that they run.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: One, it is really expensive to live in Israel.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: So everyone kind of does.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: Israel and in Europe,
• 20:50
  they're in aggregate much poorer than America and kind of need
• 20:53
  a side hustle.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yes and no.
• 20:59
  Israelis are just very independently focused and are very
• 21:04
  entrepreneurial by
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: spirit,
• 21:06
  but also their regulations are all set up in a way that people
• 21:12
  can make actually
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: really,
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: really,
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: really,
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: really great money by running home businesses and things.
• 21:19
  Well,
• 21:19
  that's American culture is a lot of these things has really
• 21:22
  been shaped by tort law.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's just we have decades like,
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: if you go back to the 50s,
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: America had a similar culture.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like,
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: certainly in cities,
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: the 50s and before,
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 21:36
  that was a lot of the immigrant groups made their money doing
• 21:38
  things like this.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: No problem.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: But over the intervening decades,
• 21:45
  you've had just a lot of tort litigation happen and a lot of
• 21:50
  regulations came about
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: as a result of that.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: And that's...
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: I remember people talking in the late 80s,
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: early 90s about that,
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: we need to rein in tort law because of how much it was affecting America.
• 22:05
  And we're now at the – you don't have as much of an issue
• 22:08
  anymore because we just
• 22:09
  regulated all this stuff to such an extreme degree that you
• 22:13
  can't run a lot of
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: these businesses.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: And it just costs a lot to run a business in America.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: I –
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: Just am constantly...
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: This year is especially hard for me,
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: again,
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: with those,
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: Google losses and...
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: And you also choose to live in a state that is particularly...
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: Particularly likes to take a large amount of money from everyone.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: For individuals, not corporations.
• 22:43
  We have the second lowest corporate tax in America because
• 22:47
  while Democrats may talk
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: a big game about,
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: oh,
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: the billionaires and all the businesses,
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: blah,
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: blah,
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: blah,
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: blah.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: We actually have a very, very low corporate tax rate.
• 22:57
  Well,
• 22:57
  that's because you're ruled by Jared Paulus,
• 23:01
  the quote-unquote libertarian.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: He did not set the corporate tax rate.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: He's actually proposing increasing it.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: He's a bad libertarian.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: He's a bad person.
• 23:10
  Did you see the other day he was out there telling people that
• 23:13
  they needed to be
• 23:14
  following Richard Hanania and that weirdo guy who – I don't
• 23:19
  even remember what the
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: hell – I don't remember what that guy's name is.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: Is this other guy who –
• 23:23
  is has he's one of the one of the various people who will
• 23:29
  periodically pop up with
• 23:30
  you know really uh carnal relations with animals isn't that bad
• 23:35
  if you think about
• 23:36
  it as long as everyone's okay with it i don't know what the
• 23:39
  hell paulus was
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: thinking that was that was that was fascinating
• 23:43
  it's polis i don't care okay and also yeah he was promoting
• 23:50
  people that talk about
• 23:54
  kids and animals and i just what are why are we promoting them
• 24:00
  why are we giving
• 24:01
  them a platform just like on the right when i say like why are
• 24:04
  we giving any air to
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: crazies like
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: Candace Owens, why is he giving any air to crazies on the left?
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: Although, he wasn't even just pushing back on it.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: He was like, these people think outside the box.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: You should follow them.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, sir, they're talking about children.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: Nope.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes...
• 24:23
  sometimes the box is there for a reason yeah well it's a
• 24:27
  chesterton's box if you
• 24:29
  will we shouldn't you there's a reason that we as a society
• 24:34
  have agreed that we
• 24:35
  don't go outside that box no it's wild i just i don't
• 24:41
  understand what he's doing at
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: all
• 24:43
  Speaking of don't understand what they're doing at all,
• 24:46
  I'm going to radically shift.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: That was the worst transition ever.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're not very good at them, but you just go right ahead.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: Number one, I'm not good at them.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: And number two, I am on, like, a lot of cold medicine right now.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: You can see my eyes.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm, like, glassy.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm doped up on DayQuil.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: So –
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: As I was in Ireland,
• 25:06
  there was a really big story breaking and I kind of wanted to
• 25:09
  talk to you about it
• 25:10
  because I know that you stay up on really anti-Semitic stuff
• 25:16
  and because you got to
• 25:17
  see how crazy RTE and Irish media was when you were there with
• 25:21
  me this summer.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: Outside of Dublin,
• 25:25
  there's actually one of the only also called Jewish
• 25:29
  neighborhoods in all of
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: Ireland.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: Ireland doesn't have in aggregate that many Jewish people.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: For various historical reasons.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: But actually, that's not entirely true.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, the Irish have this very warped view of Israel being like England.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:51
  them being like gaza it falls apart for so many reasons also
• 25:55
  there were a lot of
• 25:56
  very historical notable irish people who then went to israel
• 26:02
  and helped create the
• 26:04
  nation of israel um one of this they are talking about it was
• 26:10
  herzog park that they
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: wanted to rename and
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 26:15
  let's take an actually somewhat famous Irish person and have
• 26:20
  them start in the
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: creation of Israel and just rename a part.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: I just, it's so crazy, basically.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: What is named after Chaim Herzog, the sixth?
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: President of Israel.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: Who was born in Belfast and grew up in Dublin.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: They named the park for him.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: Actual famous Jewish Irishman.
• 26:44
  Like,
• 26:45
  I mean,
• 26:45
  I realize he was born in Belfast,
• 26:47
  but he grew up in the South.
• 26:49
  And they're removing his name because RTE,
• 26:54
  well,
• 26:55
  RTE kind of started this.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: RTE is the Irish media channel.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's like the BBC for Ireland.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: And they...
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: are hell-bent on an anti-Semitic quest.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: Allegedly, it seems that way to me.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: It is my opinion that they are very anti-Semitic.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: If you look at their coverage of anything,
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: number one,
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: the Irish public has been polled over and over numerous times about their
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: priorities.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: Israel and Gaza comes in at the very bottom of all of their priorities.
• 27:31
  Before the presidential elections,
• 27:34
  it was pulling about 4% people were interested in.
• 27:37
  Things like housing,
• 27:38
  affordability crisis,
• 27:40
  immigration are all at the top.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: Israel, 4% of Irish people cared.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: Now it's 3% of Irish people cared.
• 27:51
  But the Dublin City Council and RTE are running this campaign
• 27:56
  to rename a park of a
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: famous,
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: again,
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: Jewish Irishman who was president in Israel.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like, this is so, so crazy.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: People do not care about this.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: So RTE helped arrange and promoted.
• 28:14
  They were doing like a Sport for Palestine event where they
• 28:18
  occupied the park.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like seven people showed up.
• 28:23
  Yes,
• 28:24
  Irish people are portrayed as being very anti-Israel,
• 28:28
  as being very anti-Zionist.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: I will say,
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: after being there for,
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: I've spent about a month time in Israel,
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: or Israel,
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: in Ireland this year.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's some of that present in some cities.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: In Galway, I saw like two flags, Palestinian flags.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: When I was in Derry,
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: In Northern Ireland,
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: there's obviously like Free Dairy,
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: the Catholic side,
• 28:58
  because they feel this weird kinship and because Yasser Arafat
• 29:02
  actually trained IRA
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: fighters.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about that.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: They had Palestinian friends everywhere.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: It was a symbiotic relationship.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: There were flags everywhere there.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: When I went this second time,
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_00: I did not see one Palestinian flag the entire time I was in Ireland.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: I did end up in a kind of...
• 29:26
  immigrant neighborhood in Dublin because I got really sick and
• 29:29
  I had to go to a 24-hour doctor.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: On a Sunday?
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: On a Sunday, yeah.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: All these things against me.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I ended up in one of the neighborhoods that you see.
• 29:40
  You know,
• 29:40
  because I was in Ireland,
• 29:42
  everyone was like,
• 29:43
  oh,
• 29:44
  how is it there in Dublin?
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: How is it?
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: It looks really rough.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you hear all these things.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's just not the case.
• 29:51
  I did kind of end up in an immigrant heavy neighborhood on
• 29:57
  Sunday going to this
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: like 24 hour clinic.
• 30:01
  But otherwise,
• 30:01
  like it's not what people think when you're out in the rest of
• 30:05
  Ireland.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: People are like, oh, it's fallen.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's fallen.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: Ireland is conquered.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's just not the case.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: We're looking at neighborhoods in Dublin.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: You and I spent a week puttering around Ireland.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that I noted anyone who wasn't visibly of Irish descent.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: I may have just didn't know.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: But if there was any,
• 30:31
  if we'd been to anywhere that had a critical mass of people who
• 30:34
  were like,
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: wearing burkas or something,
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: I certainly would have noted and been like,
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: oh,
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: interesting,
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: which I didn't see.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't see a single hijab this trip.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: So the so,
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: yes,
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: RTE is the more or less explicitly the media arm of the Sinn Féin,
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: who were the political arm of the Irish Republican Army.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: who were a paramilitary terrorist organization, frankly.
• 31:05
  So,
• 31:06
  yeah,
• 31:06
  it doesn't surprise me that they are all in on being
• 31:10
  anti-Israel.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: They're anti-West.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: Most of these groups are...
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: Fairly explicitly anti-West.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: I hold no trot for the IRA.
• 31:21
  I'm sorry if I have any followers who are big fans of the IRA
• 31:27
  standing up to Britain.
• 31:28
  I think I've said publicly I think Ireland probably needed
• 31:31
  Britain to be holding
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: the reins to keep them from hurting themselves.
• 31:36
  Look,
• 31:37
  I'm very proud to be Irish and I come from a very proudly Irish
• 31:41
  family.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: But while I was in Derry,
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: I said on this podcast,
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 31:46
  I think my grandma would be mad at me to hear that I'm there
• 31:48
  because while she
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: wanted a free One Ireland,
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: she also didn't hate Brits.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: And she really hated the association of things like the IRA.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the IRA killed Irish people.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: Let's not ignore that.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like, they killed citizens.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's not... It was a civil war.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: it was...
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: Britain was kind of a side thing in it because it was...
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: The people,
• 32:16
  most of the people that were being killed by the IRA were
• 32:18
  fellow Irishmen who...
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: were okay with being, like, that liked the king.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: Well, but they also killed Catholics.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: They killed ordinary Catholics.
• 32:28
  They just wanted mass carnage,
• 32:30
  and they wanted mass sympathy from Catholics.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: So they would kidnap and kill people that were on their side.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's, I hold a whole no brief for the Irish Republican Army.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: Much like, much like another group.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_00: criminal organization that they are aligned with.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: Well,
• 32:51
  that's the one of the things is that it's certainly at the
• 32:54
  upper at the upper
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: echelons in Ireland.
• 32:57
  I think the Irish define themselves by the by their belief that
• 33:04
  they are historically wrong.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: that they are like,
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: they're the chippy underdog that really has been stomped on by the world.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: They have a just cultural victim mentality.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: Now,
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: we're certainly their policy decisions were made by like,
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: we I will joke periodically about the potato family.
• 33:26
  The potato family was a real thing and it was caused by bad
• 33:31
  British policy laws.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: As I recall,
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: By many of the same people that led to the American Revolution.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: It was the late 19th,
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: early 20th,
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: the late 18th,
• 33:41
  early 19th century was a very bad time in British jurisprudence
• 33:48
  and in British just
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: understanding how to control its colonies and other areas.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: But at the same time, everyone has bad stories in their history.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Every people have bad stories in their histories.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like if you meet a person who only defines himself by,
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: oh,
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so put upon,
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: woe is me,
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: you're probably not going to like that person because it's just whiner.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: But here's the thing.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: I actually think that a lot of the Palestinian crowd,
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: RTE and the Dublin City Council,
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: this is going to backfire on them because people –
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: they're trying to play for this whole we are the victim complex, right?
• 34:32
  Just like you said,
• 34:33
  they're trying to play that they're the aggrieved upon.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: The Irish public very quickly with this park,
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: because of this park,
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: if they didn't do this,
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think they would win back.
• 34:43
  I actually think this is going to be a turning point for
• 34:46
  Ireland and Irish-Israeli relations.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: One, the Israeli embassy has announced that they're closing in Ireland.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: Two, they do this and
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: And they're very obviously picking on the little guy.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: Jews are such a tiny, minuscule population of Ireland.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_00: And while we didn't see it in Ireland,
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: and while I didn't this last time,
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: except for the one neighborhood that I was in,
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: the Irish demographic,
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: they are changing really rapidly.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: And there are a bunch of...
• 35:20
  migrants from Arab nations that have come to Ireland and people
• 35:25
  are already kind
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: of,
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 35:28
  they're dealing with their own immigration crisis and it's not
• 35:31
  really for me to
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: wade into.
• 35:33
  But they then see picking on the one park that has a Jewish
• 35:39
  name for it's right
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: next to a Jewish school.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: And a teeny, teeny, teeny, tiny population in Ireland is
• 35:48
  It's very blatantly picking on a minority and physically
• 35:53
  threatening a minority in Ireland.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: And people are realizing this.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: You say a silly turning point.
• 36:02
  There's so many journalists who have now not to this point said
• 36:08
  a single thing.
• 36:09
  They didn't say anything when Ireland announced that they were
• 36:14
  not going to be
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: competing in Eurovision.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 36:17
  it's my understanding that they're happy about that because
• 36:19
  they keep sucking in
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: Eurovision and they're tired of being embarrassed.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that is the common refrain now.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: But the second this park happened,
• 36:29
  a flood of Irish journalists started getting really loud and
• 36:33
  have not to date said
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: a single thing.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: This was like the thing that gave them cover to come out and say,
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: wait a second,
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: nobody believes in this.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_00: Wait a second, this is...
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it won't end up being anything,
• 36:48
  but I have seen a lot of Irish journalists for outlets other
• 36:53
  than RTE come out and
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: say,
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: this is a line too far.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: Culturally, I could see it being a turning point.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: Politically, I don't know that it's going to be anything.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: the Sinn Féin and affiliate groups.
• 37:18
  Well,
• 37:18
  no,
• 37:19
  there's,
• 37:19
  I mean,
• 37:20
  Fianna Fala is in power right now,
• 37:21
  so we can't say that,
• 37:23
  but.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: They are all politically aligned.
• 37:26
  There is no,
• 37:28
  they have successfully boxed out anything close to
• 37:32
  conservatism.
• 37:33
  And the way the rules,
• 37:35
  we were both there right before the presidential elections.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: They jettisoned the only conservative from the ballot.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: And even the moderates from the ballot ended up getting out.
• 37:51
  So the way they have to do it,
• 37:52
  you have to have so many MPs stand for you to nominate you.
• 37:57
  And it basically,
• 37:59
  like,
• 37:59
  you have to be in the system to be able to get into the system.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I mean, it's it's a it's a self-perpetuating.
• 38:08
  And again,
• 38:10
  I politically I don't was short of,
• 38:12
  you know,
• 38:13
  sort of full on revolution.
• 38:15
  I don't know that that is because I'm sorry,
• 38:19
  saying you cannot vote for a person.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: Is it's insanity.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's that you are.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: You are not a democracy.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: If you say it like, you know, that's in America.
• 38:29
  And that's not even and that's not even to like promote Conor
• 38:32
  McGregor because he's
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: kind of a piece.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: No, he's he's he's he's gross.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: Just in general, I don't as long as a person is legally eligible.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: But although in this case,
• 38:44
  I think that they made them like they think the courts declared
• 38:47
  one of the people
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: was legally ineligible for some random reason.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Conor McGregor.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: Which,
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 38:55
  but but then there were some moderates that were in there and
• 38:58
  they were legally
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: eligible.
• 39:00
  But their way that their system is set up is just so cumbersome
• 39:05
  for anyone to even enter.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't happen.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:09
  Do they have right—like,
• 39:11
  could someone stage a write-in campaign,
• 39:13
  or is that not a thing there?
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_00: There was a way that you could, like, spoil your ballots.
• 39:18
  And I think if there's so many percent of spoiled ballots,
• 39:21
  they have to redo the election.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I think there's ways to—I'm not an expert on Irish politics.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: I—
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: I know how to say T-Shock,
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: and honestly,
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_00: that's about...
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_00: Certainly,
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: in America,
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: the rejoinder,
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: I think,
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: to this would be that in America,
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: if you aren't on the Republican or the Democratic line,
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: then you're usually dead in the water.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: But...
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: But you can still run.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: You can still do a right in Canada.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: People have done right in candidacies and won.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, so Joe Lieberman and what's your face in Alaska?
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: What's your face?
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you're not going to fill me in.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm trying to not die right now.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: What's the senator from Alaska that did the write-in campaign?
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: I keep thinking McCaskill.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's not right.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: She was in Missouri.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: Murkowski.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: Murkowski.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: There we go.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and Murkowski both successfully ran write-in campaigns.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_01: So it is possible in America,
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: in theory,
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: you could be a write-in candidate and win the presidency.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: As long as you met the constitutional eligibility requirements.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like writing,
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: well,
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think you could,
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_00: though,
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_00: because I think in some states you can't.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: I know, but I think in some states you can't.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like, the way they, I don't know.
• 40:46
  I think that would be a fun—that would be a very entertaining
• 40:48
  Supreme Court case.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_02: That would be.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: That would be.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_01: But—no,
• 40:54
  but they have their politics so hard-stacked in Ireland against
• 40:59
  anyone who isn't a
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: fellow traveler.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: But it just—I do think there's going to be, I mean, a lot of issues—
• 41:08
  There are coming to a head immigration,
• 41:11
  housing,
• 41:12
  the price of everything going up.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: These are all kind of coming to a head and a boiling point.
• 41:19
  the herzog park story will be an interesting story to follow to
• 41:23
  see if this outcry
• 41:26
  forces them to stop or if they just charge ahead despite a huge
• 41:32
  outcry and i i just
• 41:34
  bring all of this up just again because so many people were
• 41:37
  writing to me and
• 41:38
  saying like what's it like there what's it like there is it
• 41:41
  safe and i'm like no
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: it's exactly the same as it always was it's
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: it's always better and worse, right?
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: It is better in all the ways that you thought it was going to be bad.
• 41:50
  And the things that you thought were going to be good usually
• 41:53
  are not always the same level.
• 41:56
  Everyone was,
• 41:57
  everyone was asking me like,
• 41:59
  Oh,
• 41:59
  isn't it so horrible in America now?
• 42:01
  Like thinking we're all shooting each other every day and we're
• 42:05
  all being deported
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_00: and all of these things.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like,
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: maybe you guys shouldn't listen to your news as much,
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_00: and maybe we shouldn't listen to our social media as much.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, that said, there are...
• 42:24
  When it comes to the diminution of free speech in Europe and in
• 42:29
  England especially,
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: I think that my experience is that is accurate.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 42:35
  I was kind of afraid tweeting any of those things as I was
• 42:39
  sitting there in
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: Ireland.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: And then I was like, you know what?
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_00: They're not going to jail.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: I have people who follow me who live in England.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_01: I have a follower who's followed me for a long time.
• 42:47
  I quite like neutral who a while ago,
• 42:49
  I think I don't know if I talked about.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: This is a different person.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_01: There's a girl.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure you know her.
• 42:55
  She is like she tweeted me at one point because I'm saying
• 42:58
  basically that basically
• 42:59
  that like my my husband just got arrested for something he
• 43:03
  posted on Facebook.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, excuse me?
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: What he posted was fairly anodine.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_01: And she was like, you know, freaking out.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think I got that kind of personality.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: People want to spill their woes to me.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's because you're a good friend.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_01: You're a good listener.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'd say you're a good listener, but you're not.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: Not to me.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_01: She was, like, you know, freaking out about this.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, you know, you've got to get him a barrister, a solicitor.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know which one it is you need, but you need it.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's been a while since I watched Rumpole.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's barrister.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_00: Barrister is, like, you know.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: You have to get one to get to the other.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember which is which.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_00: When my brother-in-law graduated...
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: his law school, we bought him a barrister wig.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: But no,
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: eventually her husband apparently was released without charges,
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_01: but,
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: he was arrested and held for like a week.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's intimidation.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, 100%.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, it's next time we might not let you go.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: So as far as that goes,
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: like right now there's this,
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_01: the Europeans are trying to push back on,
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_01: like J.D.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_01: Vance has been getting into fights with people in Europe about it.
• 44:21
  their limitations on free speech and they do not have free they
• 44:25
  do not have
• 44:26
  anything approaching well he's getting into fights with them
• 44:29
  because the european
• 44:31
  union said that they want to find or they have find twitter 140
• 44:38
  million dollars or
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: billion what was it it was like insane
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, it was a million.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: It actually wasn't,
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: and they made the poll,
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_01: they kept making the poll,
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: well,
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: it's not that much money we're fining him.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: Why is Musk so angry?
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_01: But it's definitely a principle thing.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's like,
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 44:57
  one of the reasons that they are fining Twitter and Elon Musk
• 45:02
  as a proxy for
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: Twitter is because of the checkmark system,
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_01: that the checkmarks no longer are notable people,
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_01: and it's confusing.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_01: There's $45 million for this.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I saw somebody point out,
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember who,
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_01: a large account,
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even think I follow,
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_01: but it came through my timeline,
• 45:22
  saying that it is insane for a government to say that because a
• 45:28
  place had a system
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_01: 10 years ago,
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_01: that they can get fined if they change it now under new ownership.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like,
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 45:39
  just because 10 years ago of what a blue checkmark meant is
• 45:44
  different than what it
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_01: means now,
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: you're allowed to change aspects of your own business.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_00: Wasn't some of it also because people who run anonymous accounts,
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_00: yourself included,
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_00: can be verified now?
• 46:01
  under a name that's not theirs I believe that that was part of
• 46:05
  it because that was
• 46:05
  not on the that may have been a deeper underlying reasoning
• 46:09
  because people were
• 46:10
  pointing to Facebook and like meta wasn't fined for all of this
• 46:14
  stuff only Twitter
• 46:15
  was and meta's verification works basically the same except for
• 46:19
  the fact that you
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_00: can't
• 46:22
  present yourself as anyone other than the government ID that
• 46:26
  you have to present to Meta.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's years ago.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think like last year,
• 46:30
  Musk tweeted out a thing saying saying that he's saying that
• 46:34
  the European Union had
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_01: given him an ultimatum saying that either that.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, God, what was it?
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_01: The EU gave an ultimatum that he had to share specific data with them.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: about Twitter users, or they would find these reasons to find him.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: And this is presumably the outcome of that.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: Again,
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_01: it isn't,
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_01: in the grand scheme of things,
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_01: $140 million is a lot of money,
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_01: but for Musk and Twitter,
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: it's not that much money.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_01: But still,
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_01: clearly it's a principled thing where if we say this is okay,
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_01: then it's the camel's nose under the tent.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's wild.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_01: We need to cut this short.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_00: I hung in there.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_00: You did.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_01: You did a good job.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_00: It was rough, and I am forgetting the names of basic things.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I look like I was doing something harder than DayQuil,
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_00: but I promise all I have had is DayQuil.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_01: We will try to record again later this week.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_01: My, my, my, my week is very busy.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yours is, you're, you're still healing up.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um,
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: so,
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_01: uh,
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_01: but if not,
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_01: this,
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_01: this may be the,
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_01: for the next couple of weeks,
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: we may only do one a week.
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  We're going to try to do one a week,
• 48:02
  uh,
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  ideally two,
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  um,
• 48:04
  and try to write something.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's always the dream.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: One day we will.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I actually really want to talk more about the, um, the,
• 48:13
  The way your perception changes when you travel and some of
• 48:16
  what we talked about
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  SPEAKER_00: today,
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think,
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_00: would make for a really good article that we can work on together.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, I think we will wrap it up.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_01: I think we did a pretty good job here.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: We stayed on topic fairly well, which is unusual for us.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_00: Well, maybe I need to be on cold medicine all the time.
• 48:32
  We're also going to be – we're trying to set up an interview
• 48:37
  with someone that
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_01: Courtney knows who worked in the – We have a couple.
• 48:43
  We have a couple of Courtney's friends that are really
• 48:46
  interesting that want to
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_00: hang out with us.
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  And discuss various things that they have done in the past and
• 48:55
  their areas of
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: knowledge,
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  which I think would be interesting because I like picking
• 48:58
  people's brains.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_00: Do you just like making more friends?
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: I have plenty of friends.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_01: I have too many friends, debatably.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_01: Certainly one too many.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_00: I know you'll get rid of me.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_01: We'll talk to you later.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: Bye.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: Bye.