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Sharri | 22 October · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening tonight. The protection racket for Kevin Rudd is
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Speaker 2: in full swing as Albanezi pretends that a working lunch
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Speaker 2: with Trump a year into his four year term is
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Speaker 2: a sign of his genius foreign policy. I'll cut through
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Speaker 2: the spin in a moment. The climate crusading billionaire paid
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Speaker 2: millions to use his own private jet, Michael Kroger will
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Speaker 2: call out the hypocrisy. Shortly plus, large parts of Australia
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Speaker 2: swelter through the hottest October day on record. Our meteorologists
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Speaker 2: will tell us the reason for this unseasonably warm weather
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Speaker 2: and shocking new footage shows hermus cruelly beating and executing
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Speaker 2: Palestinians or while the Vice President, Jadie Vance is in Israel.
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Speaker 2: The Talschemesh will try and explain why the activists are
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Speaker 2: now so silent. But first, the protection racket for Kevin
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Speaker 2: Rudd over the past twenty four hours has been extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: Labour's cheerleaders have come out to downplay the utterly astonishing
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Speaker 2: act of the President of the United States, the most
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Speaker 2: powerful man in the world, telling Australia's ambassador to his
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Speaker 2: country that he doesn't like him. And probably never will.
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Speaker 2: It takes a gymnastics stretch to turn this humiliating incident
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Speaker 2: for Kevin Rudd into one that can be weaponized against
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Speaker 2: the Coalition. Yet that's what the media have done, including
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Speaker 2: The Cydney Morning Herald's once serious columnist Peter Hartcher, who
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Speaker 2: manages to make that contortion. He claims it was simply
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Speaker 2: comic relief and it's the Coalition that's in the wrong,
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Speaker 2: he writes, the Coalition, struggling to find fault with alban
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Speaker 2: Easy renewed its ritual calls for Rudd to be replaced.
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Speaker 2: The Coalition can't see past its own tribal fetishes. He
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Speaker 2: also asks, so should we take them seriously? The question
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Speaker 2: answers itself. Imagine turning Donald Trump's blast of Australia's ambassador
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Speaker 2: into the Coalition's fault. It's a preposterous take, befitting a
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Speaker 2: publication whose reporter was accused of being nasty by the
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Speaker 2: President himself.
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Speaker 3: Where do you come from, Australia?
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Speaker 1: Who are you the Sidney Morning Herald?
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Speaker 3: Go ahead?
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Speaker 1: Oh sorry, I'm just trying to ask questions.
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Speaker 2: Former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull also downplayed Trump's criticism of
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Speaker 2: Rudd just calling it tongue in cheek.
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Speaker 4: I would think taking vengeance on Kevin Rudd would be
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Speaker 4: very very low down on Donald Trump's priorities, and I
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Speaker 4: think he's rather tongue in trique remarks a revidence of that.
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Speaker 2: Well, this is all very partisan from a disgruntled former
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Speaker 2: prime minister who, like Rudd, was also rolled by his
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Speaker 2: own party. The Albanezer government is hopeless at running this country,
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Speaker 2: but they're great at political spin, and with the media's help,
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Speaker 2: they've managed to turn the worst moment for an Australian
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Speaker 2: ambassador into an attack on the Coalition. And I think
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Speaker 2: the Opposition have egg all over their face. Well that's
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Speaker 2: the labor spin right there, defend Rudd, attack the Liberals.
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Speaker 2: But it's not just the partisan media. Even highly respected
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Speaker 2: journalist Paul Kelly wrote in The Australian Today that the
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Speaker 2: Coalition does not deserve to be taken seriously on United
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Speaker 2: States issues. He wrote, this is a human umliation for
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Speaker 2: the Coalition. The Albanezi Trump personal concord has left the
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Speaker 2: Coalition discredited and outsmarted, having badly misread the dynamics of
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Speaker 2: the alliance, having underestimated Albanesi and Rudd, and having conducted
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Speaker 2: shrill warnings for nine months about the multiple dangers and
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Speaker 2: allegations about a precarious US Australia relationship, Nearly everything they
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Speaker 2: said now looks misconceived or plane wrong. Well, let's be
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Speaker 2: clear about what we've seen this week. A successful meeting
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Speaker 2: between the President and alban Easy is largely owing to
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Speaker 2: Trump's current exuberant mood after the incredible achievement of his
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Speaker 2: Middle East peace deal and bringing home the hostages. This
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Speaker 2: is lucky timing for Albinisi. The meeting also went well
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Speaker 2: because Trump wanted a deal on critical minerals to circumvention
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Speaker 2: and to have the upper hand during trade deals that
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Speaker 2: are coming at his meeting very shortly. These factors explain
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Speaker 2: why the meeting went well, why Trump was gracious and
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Speaker 2: didn't give Albanesi a hard time like he has done
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Speaker 2: to plenty of other world leaders. Trump's praise is not
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Speaker 2: a reflection of how well Albanesi has handled the US
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Speaker 2: Australia alliance. In fact, it has been badly mismanaged, starting
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Speaker 2: with the appointment of a longstanding Trump critic as ambassador.
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Speaker 2: Despite the possibility Trump was not done with his political career,
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Speaker 2: There have also been many policy decisions taken by the
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Speaker 2: far left Albanesi government that have infuriated the United States
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Speaker 2: and probably would have done so even had it been
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Speaker 2: a Democrat in the White House. From cozing up to
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Speaker 2: China to Palestinian recognition. An Australian government has never been
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Speaker 2: less aligned with Washington's strategic interest since the time of
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Speaker 2: Malcolm Fraser, and you only have to look at Trump's
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Speaker 2: actions to see how he feels about alban Easy. It's
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Speaker 2: been nearly a year, a full year since Trump won
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Speaker 2: the United States election. He's met with fifty seven world
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Speaker 2: leaders in that time, but not Australia. He famously refused
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Speaker 2: to take Albanese's phone calls. They have had no personal
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Speaker 2: relationship to speak of, and Trump apparently doesn't know who
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Speaker 2: the Australian ambassador is. This after having a warm relationship,
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Speaker 2: even playing golf with Joe Hockey. The rare Earth critical
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Speaker 2: minerals deal also wasn't some genius idea by the Albanezy government.
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Speaker 2: It's been on the cards since Arthur's sented Denis was ambassador,
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Speaker 2: as Arthur himself told Chris Kenny last night, because.
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Speaker 1: We've been talking about this for a few years now.
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Speaker 5: Even from my time as ambassad, I remember briefing Cabinet
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Speaker 5: subcommittees on this.
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Speaker 2: And also the Trump administration has been trying to strike
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Speaker 2: a similar deal with Canada as well as Australia. So yes,
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Speaker 2: the White House meeting was a success for Albanesi, as
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Speaker 2: we covered last night, and that's unquestionably a great outcome
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Speaker 2: for Australia. But Trump didn't go out of his way
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Speaker 2: to shower Albanesi with a lavish reception like he did
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Speaker 2: for former Prime Minister Scott Morrison during his state visit
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Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen. On that occasion, President Trump even read
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Speaker 2: poetry to Scott Morrison. The poem was written by Morrison's
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Speaker 2: great great aunt, day Mary Gilmore.
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Speaker 3: We are the sons of Australia, of the men who
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Speaker 3: fashioned the land. We are the sons of the women
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Speaker 3: who walked with them hand in hand. And we swear
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Speaker 3: by the dead who bore us, by the heroes who
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Speaker 3: blaze the trail, no foe shall gather our harvest or
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Speaker 3: sit on our stockyard rail.
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Speaker 2: As you'll recall, it was a star studded affair that
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Speaker 2: signaled the closeness of the leader's personal relationship and the
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Speaker 2: strength of the US Australia alliance. A working lunch with
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Speaker 2: Albanisi in the cabinet room, not even the oval offers,
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Speaker 2: doesn't come close to the royal treatment Trump gave Morrison
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Speaker 2: a leader who shared his values and unequivocally stood side
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Speaker 2: by side with the United States. Yet Albinizi and Rad's
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Speaker 2: cheerleaders will continue to pretend that a cordial business meeting
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Speaker 2: one full year into Trump's four year term is an
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Speaker 2: act of foreign policy prowess. It's not. Don't be fooled
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Speaker 2: by the spin. Let's talk about the heat wave now,
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Speaker 2: and it was a scorcher across New South Wales this afternoon.
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Speaker 2: And while it was sweltering today, meteorologists say that yesterday
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Speaker 2: was actually the hottest October day recorded, with temperatures reaching
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Speaker 2: thirty nine in parts of the state. Officials one of
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Speaker 2: extreme fire danger with high temperatures and strong winds. But
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Speaker 2: after a very rainy winter, it is welcome to have
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Speaker 2: some warm weather, perhaps not as hot as it was
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Speaker 2: this afternoon that was almost unbearable. Now there's expected to
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Speaker 2: be a shift tonight, with temperatures now meant to plunge,
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Speaker 2: and there are weather warnings for both Victoria and New
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Speaker 2: South Wales, joining US now. Sky News meteorologist Tamson Green Tamsen, Look,
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Speaker 2: these are summerlike temperatures. Why are we seeing them so
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Speaker 2: early in spring?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, the reason for this, as you'll see on
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Speaker 6: the next batround about, shows we've had heat building up
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Speaker 6: from the interior and that has been funneling from the
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Speaker 6: interior from the northwest all the way across New South
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Speaker 6: Wales and that's allowed those temperatures to really build throughout
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Speaker 6: the last couple of days. Today is the last day
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Speaker 6: of that heat. But through today we saw maximum temperatures
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Speaker 6: up to thirty seven degrees in Sydney. Now it just
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Speaker 6: was shy b but I ran one degree of the
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Speaker 6: all time October heat record for October's for Sydney's Observatory Hill,
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Speaker 6: which was thirty eight point two degrees from two thousand
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Speaker 6: and four. Just shy of that with thirty seven degrees.
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Speaker 6: But Sydney's inner western suburbs saw temperatures climb up to
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Speaker 6: thirty nine degrees, so stations such as Penrith, Bankstown, Gosford,
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Speaker 6: they broke their records for October. The day before we
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Speaker 6: did see temperatures statewide across New South Welles and Queensland
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Speaker 6: break their state records for October with forty six degrees
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Speaker 6: across Birdsville in Queensland. Now take a lot for what
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Speaker 6: we experienced today. We also saw as well as those
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Speaker 6: high temperatures, really strong gusty winds develop. Now that was
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Speaker 6: responsible for encouraging an elevated fire warning across the state.
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Speaker 6: So we can see all of those wing gus driving
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Speaker 6: in and we had a damaging wind warning in force.
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Speaker 6: Now we had extreme fire danger across parts of the
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Speaker 6: Great Hunter, A Greater Sydney area, the Elauira upper Central
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Speaker 6: West Plains, and basically the weather was responsible for how
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Speaker 6: the fires could behave if any of them were to ignite.
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Speaker 6: So if any of them were to ignite, they could
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Speaker 6: mean that the fires would be incredibly dangerous, fast moving
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Speaker 6: and very difficult to control. There are a couple of
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Speaker 6: fires at the moment across the states, but at the
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Speaker 6: moment there's no watching axe in place. There was one
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Speaker 6: earlier across Newcastle, but that does look like that has
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Speaker 6: now been contained.
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Speaker 2: Now we've also seen a heat.
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Speaker 6: Wave warning in force, so across the New South Wales
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Speaker 6: there was a heat wave warning across the interior here,
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Speaker 6: and that was from Monday through to Wednesday, so Wednesday's
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Speaker 6: being the last day.
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Speaker 2: Of this shari.
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Speaker 6: But the glass couple of days have really been pretty
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Speaker 6: intense with that heat that we've seen, and.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure we're all looking forward to a bit of
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Speaker 2: cool relief tomorrow. Times, and thank you so much for
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Speaker 2: that informative update. All right, let's bring in our regular
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Speaker 2: Wednesday panel, former Victorian Liberal Party President Michael Kroger and
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Speaker 2: labor legend Graham Richardson, and I hope you're both surviving
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Speaker 2: this heat. Graham was just so hot in Sydney this afternoon.
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Speaker 5: I got a nice brick house and I hide within
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Speaker 5: it and it's been okay.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, if you've got air conditioning on, then you
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Speaker 2: will be fine. All right, Well, let's start with the
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Speaker 2: topic I've just been speaking about in my editorial, the
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Speaker 2: media turning against Susan Lee for daring to point out
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Speaker 2: that Rudd's position is probably untenable after Trump told him
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Speaker 2: directly he doesn't like him and never will Michael Kroger.
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Speaker 2: Plenty of labor cheerleaders around willing to excuse everything even
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Speaker 2: the President literally tellings the ambassador that he does not
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Speaker 2: like him.
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Speaker 7: Look, because it was a good day for Australia. Everyone's
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Speaker 7: keeping praise on rud But let's call a spade a
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Speaker 7: spade here. Susan Lee was absolute right. I mean she
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Speaker 7: was absolutely right. And why do I say that Joe
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Speaker 7: Hockey was the ambassador right? Previously it would have taken
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Speaker 7: Hockey a week. Trump's been there a year. As you
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Speaker 7: pointed out, it would have taken Hockey a week to
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Speaker 7: ring Trump personally and say, mate, I've got to come
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Speaker 7: and see you about Aucus, to explain to you why
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Speaker 7: it's important and why you need to publically reaffirm it.
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Speaker 7: One year later, we finally got a meeting and we've
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Speaker 7: got confirmation. So the aucust confirmation yesterday is not because
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Speaker 7: of Kevin run, it's despite him. You go back to Beasley,
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Speaker 7: he would never have had any problem getting access to Obama.
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Speaker 7: I go back to Andrew Peacock, who was a political
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Speaker 7: heavyweight in America. He was very friendly with Bill Clinton.
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Speaker 7: He could ring Bill Clinton directly. Madeline Albright, the Secret Estate,
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Speaker 7: was his good friend. He played tennis with Ted Kennedy.
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Speaker 7: If you needed of the Democrats on side, Ted Kennedy
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Speaker 7: used to play tennis with Andrew Peacock at the Australian Embassy. Frequently.
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Speaker 7: These are people who are heavy hitting. What we've had
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Speaker 7: is Kevin Rudd scurrying around second tier officials for months
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Speaker 7: and months and months, and in the end the Americans said,
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Speaker 7: we need this critical minerals deal. We need it more
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Speaker 7: than anyone. Let's sign it. That's the truth of what
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Speaker 7: happened yesterday. Susan Lee is absolutely right. Rudd should not
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Speaker 7: be the Australian ambassador and quite frankly, every sensible person
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Speaker 7: that knows anything about Washington knows that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think your spot on, Richo. I mean you
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Speaker 2: would recall most of these ambassadors from your time in politics.
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Speaker 2: Would you disagree with Michael.
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Speaker 5: No, not really. I know I probably should, but no,
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Speaker 5: I think there are serious deficiencies that are pretty obvious
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Speaker 5: here and I think it's getting time for Anthony Albin
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Speaker 5: Easy to act upon them.
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Speaker 2: So rich I mean you say that at a very sensible,
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Speaker 2: rational level. What do you think of the partisan media?
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Speaker 2: You know how everyone's just jumping in to defend Kevin Wright.
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Speaker 2: This is him calling them up behind the you know,
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Speaker 2: behind the scenes.
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Speaker 5: Maybe, Yeah, well probably i'd say that. Look, I don't
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Speaker 5: try to judge the media. They can do whatever whatever
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Speaker 5: they like. I think the important thing is to maintain
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Speaker 5: an honorable position for our country and I think Albo
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Speaker 5: is doing that.
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Speaker 2: Michael. There's also been the hypocrisy. This has been widely discussed.
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Speaker 2: We spoke about it on the show last night. But
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Speaker 2: the hypocrisy of alban Easy weaponizing Trump against Peter Dutton
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Speaker 2: during the election campaign but now saying oh he might
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Speaker 2: use him in ads for twenty twenty eight.
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Speaker 7: Well if he doesn't, I'm sure the Little Party will
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Speaker 7: to show his hypocrisy. I mean, look seriously, I mean
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Speaker 7: just Cinder Price was garrotted publicly for wearing that, for
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Speaker 7: saying we make Australia great again, and it was like, oh,
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Speaker 7: you know, terrible. But look, Graham, there's a reason and
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Speaker 7: you're on this show mate because you tell the truth.
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Speaker 7: You've been a Labor icon for all my life. You
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Speaker 7: tell the truth. You're the only person who's had the
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Speaker 7: decency in honesty to come out and tell the truth
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Speaker 7: about Rudd. Everybody knows what it dud, this bloke is.
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Speaker 7: Everyone knows. No one in the Labor Party liked him.
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Speaker 7: That's why they had to get rid of him before
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Speaker 7: in the public finally woke up to him. Nobody likes him.
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Speaker 7: He'll be a pain in the neck in Washington. He's
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Speaker 7: got no standing or status in Washington. And it's only
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Speaker 7: because of the Morrisons and the Turnbulls and the Bob
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Speaker 7: Hawks and the John Howard's. I mean Howard had a
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Speaker 7: very close relationship with the Bush family, as we know,
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Speaker 7: going right back to mensies. He made untene trips to
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Speaker 7: America when he was when he was Prime Minister. Yesterday
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Speaker 7: was an endorsement of the Australian relationship with the United
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Speaker 7: States of America dating back one hundred years or more
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Speaker 7: since we first thought wars with him. It had little
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Speaker 7: It had nothing to do with Kevin Rudd and very
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Speaker 7: little to do with Alman Easy And I wouldn't want
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Speaker 7: to have been Susie Wiles Trump's chief of staff when
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Speaker 7: he got back into the office afterwards and said, why
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Speaker 7: didn't someone tell me that the Australian ambassador had criticized him?
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Speaker 7: By the way, what did he actually say about me? Well, boy,
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Speaker 7: I can tell you this going forward, it'll be all
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Speaker 7: downhill from now on with the relationship. Now that Trump
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Speaker 7: and his team have worked out exactly what this blake
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Speaker 7: said about him, it's why he should we ambassador. There's
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Speaker 7: never been an Australian ambassador who has said the most
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Speaker 7: shocking things about a country. He's representing us too. Never
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Speaker 7: before has anyone been a porter ambassador with this kind
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Speaker 7: of record. And no sensible prime minister would ever have
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Speaker 7: put our nation's interest at risk by appointing an ambassador
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Speaker 7: who said the most shocking things about someone who was
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Speaker 7: then a candidate for president. And it just shows you
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Speaker 7: Albani's in ruddy. But no rel They've had no relations
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Speaker 7: with the Republican Party in America. That has taken them
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Speaker 7: all this time to get this meeting. And you've got
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Speaker 7: Kevin Rudd sitting there. I mean, I thought the meeting.
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Speaker 7: It was great for Australia, the meeting yourself, for the
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Speaker 7: whole Trump Rudd sitting there was just humiliity for our nation.
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Speaker 7: And by the way, goodness for Andrew Cornell.
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Speaker 2: One hundred percent agree with that, Thank goodness for his
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Speaker 2: question and Michael, that was a brilliant monologue. Just then
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Speaker 2: agree with every word you said. Just one other thing
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Speaker 2: I'll point out a lot of the media commentators and
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Speaker 2: the journalists and their analysis pieces have pointed out the
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Speaker 2: weight of Trump's words. So if Trump says, you know,
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Speaker 2: the submarines have to be delivered fast, the Navy gets
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Speaker 2: onto it, for example. But then they ignore the weight
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Speaker 2: of Trump's words when he tells the ambassador he doesn't
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Speaker 2: like him. Even figures in the Trump administration who might
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Speaker 2: have opened a door to run before. Now they know
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Speaker 2: what the President thinks, you know, they're less inclined to
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Speaker 2: do that. Okay, I just want to show you this
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Speaker 2: as well. So the Albanezi government's now thinking they're foreign
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Speaker 2: policy geniuses. But Foreign Minister Penny Wog today couldn't even
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Speaker 2: say whether the Jerusalem is in Israel or the non
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Speaker 2: existent state of Palestine, Wong said and voting, the Australian
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Speaker 2: government's long standing position on Jerusalem and borders is that
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Speaker 2: they are final status issues subject to negotiations. Australia's recognition
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Speaker 2: of the state of Palestine does not prejudge the outcome
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Speaker 2: of those negotiations. Rich O, can you set your labor
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Speaker 2: mate Pennywog straight? Here? A state of Palestine does not
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Speaker 2: exist and Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, the fact
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Speaker 2: that Australia used to recognize under the Coalition government. Rich O,
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Speaker 2: what do you think.
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Speaker 5: I think inevitably that recognition will come. I don't agree
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Speaker 5: with Penny on this, and I agree with her on
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Speaker 5: pretty well everything, but not this one.
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Speaker 2: So can you say, RICHI, where is Jerusalem?
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Speaker 5: Jerusalem's in Israel?
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Speaker 2: About that?
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Speaker 5: I have no doubt.
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Speaker 2: I don't know how you can say you agree with
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Speaker 2: Pennywog on almost everything. I mean, what can you possibly
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Speaker 2: agree with her on?
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Speaker 5: Well? I have agreed with her on many things. That's
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Speaker 5: a fact I just don't hear.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Michael, this is just such an absurd statement,
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Speaker 2: you know, especially after the meeting with Trump, who not
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Speaker 2: only doesn't recognize the state of Palestine, but who still
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Speaker 2: has the American embassy in Jerusalem.
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Speaker 7: Chari. Sometimes in life, the words and pictures just speak
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Speaker 7: for themselves, don't they. I mean, what can you say
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Speaker 7: about what Penny Wong said? I think it's pretty well
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Speaker 7: internationally accepted and has been for decades legally through the UN,
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Speaker 7: that at least West Jerusalem is part of Israel. It
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Speaker 7: has been the Jewish capital for centuries. The Second Temple
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Speaker 7: remnants the wall represent the the you know, the bigible evidence.
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Speaker 7: I call it that, of course, the tangal evidence. But
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Speaker 7: then you get to the Temple Mount and that's a
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Speaker 7: disputed area, of course, as we know, run by these Jordanians.
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Speaker 7: But for Penny Wong to say Jerusalem is a final
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Speaker 7: you know, for final negotiations, No, there's nothing I can
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Speaker 7: add and what can you what can you say? Wong
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Speaker 7: is just profound a profoundly hard left wing radical labor
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Speaker 7: pro Palestinian activist, always has been so as elbow, and
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Speaker 7: I'm not saying of her. But of course, let's remember
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Speaker 7: a large, very large proportion of the left of the
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Speaker 7: Labor Party want a one state solution.
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Speaker 2: Almusic governments have cost committed to a two state solution.
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Speaker 2: Let's turn to the news today that Atlasian spent a
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Speaker 2: reported five point seven million dollars on Mike cannon Brooks's
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Speaker 2: private jet flights in the last financial year. So rich, oh,
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Speaker 2: this is obviously an issue for Lassians shareholders, But what
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Speaker 2: about the hypocrisy around the billionaire climate campaigner using a
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Speaker 2: few guzzling private jet.
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Speaker 5: Well, I don't think they've got much choice, so I'm
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Speaker 5: not going to be too critical of it to go
22:20
Speaker 5: on and do the miles that he's done. The only
22:23
Speaker 5: way he's going to be able to do that isn't
22:24
Speaker 5: that private jet. So I don't think he had a
22:27
Speaker 5: lot of choice.
22:29
Speaker 2: Sure, but then don't preach on other people's carbon emissions.
22:33
Speaker 2: And the other point. Nick Evans wrote this in margin
22:35
Speaker 2: coll in The Australian, and he reports that well, at
22:38
Speaker 2: least at Lassian tells shareholders how much it spends on
22:41
Speaker 2: Mike Cannon books Brooks's flights on his own private jet,
22:45
Speaker 2: But he says, unlike, for example, for Deescu, which owns
22:49
Speaker 2: the Bombardier, owns the Bombardier seven to five hundred used
22:52
Speaker 2: by Andrew Forrest in his global campaign against carbon emissions,
22:57
Speaker 2: but doesn't bother to break out its cost to sharehold.
23:00
Speaker 2: It's Michael. The hypocrisy of these climate campaigners a bit much, well.
23:08
Speaker 7: A bit much, it's Al Gore writ large, isn't it.
23:10
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, all lots on that bee house
23:12
Speaker 7: he used to have. I mean, I'm sure there are
23:14
Speaker 7: a commercial flight to the Grand Prix that he attends.
23:18
Speaker 7: I'm sure there are. So I just think the hypocrisy
23:21
Speaker 7: of a lot of these campaigners, I mean these sort
23:24
Speaker 7: of summits the heir every year someplace in the world, yes,
23:27
Speaker 7: where tens of thousands fly in, et cetera, et cetera,
23:30
Speaker 7: et cetera. I mean, you know the normal people that
23:33
Speaker 7: can eat cake. You know, That's what Mari Antoinette said.
23:36
Speaker 7: And that's how these sort of climate change gurus treat
23:40
Speaker 7: a lot of ordinary people. Pay your bills and eat
23:42
Speaker 7: cake whilst we fly off to these events at the
23:45
Speaker 7: taxpayers expense.
23:47
Speaker 2: Actually, Trump spoke about this hypocrisy in his recent United
23:50
Speaker 2: Nations speech. He said he criticized Barack Obama for lecturing
23:55
Speaker 2: on climate change but then taking private jets all the
23:58
Speaker 2: way to Hawaii just for a round of golf. So
24:01
Speaker 2: happens the world over all, right, Michael Kroger rich O,
24:04
Speaker 2: good to see you again now. Former Assistant Treasury Secretary
24:09
Speaker 2: David Pearl wrote in The Australian Today that immigration levels
24:13
Speaker 2: now rival cost of living as the public's top policy concern.
24:18
Speaker 2: Yet he says leaders are afraid to have a debate
24:20
Speaker 2: on immigration, and he writes many of our political, bureaucratic
24:24
Speaker 2: and educational leaders are unwilling to discuss the issue, with
24:29
Speaker 2: some labelling immigration skeptics as racists or populists. This dynamic,
24:34
Speaker 2: he says, is not a healthy one for our country.
24:37
Speaker 2: As the temperature rises, the debate, if we can call it, that,
24:39
Speaker 2: is becoming increasingly a motive and unmored from reality, with
24:44
Speaker 2: both sides guilty of overreach, and the former Assistant Treasury
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Speaker 2: Secretary David Pearl joins me. Now, David, good to see you.
24:52
Speaker 2: So why do you think immigration levels are rivaling cost
24:55
Speaker 2: of living in terms of capturing the public's attention right now?
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Speaker 8: Well, I think foo as plays Shari. I think, on
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Speaker 8: the one hand, there's no doubt that temporary migration has
25:09
Speaker 8: been running very hot since COVID, mainly due to the
25:13
Speaker 8: university's taking in thousands and thousands of overseas students. And
25:18
Speaker 8: there's no doubt that that's put pressure on rents, and
25:22
Speaker 8: it's added to congestion in our cities and demand for
25:26
Speaker 8: some services. But one point I was trying to make
25:28
Speaker 8: in my piece is that we shouldn't blame mass migration
25:33
Speaker 8: on all of our economic ills. I blame the RBA's
25:37
Speaker 8: interest rate policy, for example, during COVID for the twenty
25:40
Speaker 8: two percent spike in house prices we saw at that
25:43
Speaker 8: time because we had no immigrants coming in during those years.
25:48
Speaker 8: And if we've got a productivity crisis in our country,
25:51
Speaker 8: it's not due to immigration. Immigration to small net negative
25:54
Speaker 8: or positive. It's because of our energy, taxation and regulation policies.
25:59
Speaker 8: But the other reason I think that people wrow is
26:03
Speaker 8: that their standard of living has been declining recently and
26:06
Speaker 8: immigration is an easy escapegoat. I think our systemic problems
26:11
Speaker 8: in Australia go far deeper than that. If we are
26:14
Speaker 8: a more productive and dynamic economy, able to build houses quickly,
26:17
Speaker 8: we could take in immigrants. But that all said, I
26:21
Speaker 8: do recommend that the government take control of immigration and
26:27
Speaker 8: require universities to scale right back their foreign student intakes.
26:31
Speaker 8: I think that's a massive distortion in the program. It's
26:34
Speaker 8: an effective privatization of our universities, and it's having an
26:38
Speaker 8: adverse effect if we have labor market gaps in age
26:41
Speaker 8: care centers and elsewhere. Let's have a dedicated short term
26:46
Speaker 8: migration program and that gives the community confidence that the
26:49
Speaker 8: program is meeting demonstrated need.
26:53
Speaker 2: There's obviously different views about this among economists. We have
26:56
Speaker 2: Leith van Nslin on the show often and he thinks
27:00
Speaker 2: immigration is a huge problem in terms of contributing to
27:03
Speaker 2: the housing crisis. So anyway, interesting different perspectives. David, Now
27:10
Speaker 2: you were also I'm keen to ask you about Kevin
27:12
Speaker 2: Ryder because you were also the Treasury representative at the
27:15
Speaker 2: Australian Embassy in Washington in one of your former jobs,
27:19
Speaker 2: and you that was when both Kevin Right and Julia
27:21
Speaker 2: Gillard were Prime Minister. You're also worked for Kevin Right
27:24
Speaker 2: as well, so I'm keen to hear your thoughts on
27:28
Speaker 2: the rad saga from your personal experience working for him
27:33
Speaker 2: and also working at the US Embassy in Washington, and
27:36
Speaker 2: what the relationships were usually like between an ambassador and
27:41
Speaker 2: the US president.
27:43
Speaker 8: Now, thanks Sherry. I was at the embassy from the
27:46
Speaker 8: fall of Lehman Brothers right through to early twenty twelve,
27:51
Speaker 8: and I was there for those prime ministerships, and I
27:53
Speaker 8: worked under Dennis Richardson and Kim Beasley, and I just
27:58
Speaker 8: have to heir co what Michael Kroger was saying, that
28:02
Speaker 8: an ambassador is not tenable if they can't either pick
28:08
Speaker 8: up the phone to the president or more realistically, in
28:10
Speaker 8: the case of ambassador, pick up the phone to the
28:15
Speaker 8: president's chief of staff, if there's an international crisis, if
28:19
Speaker 8: there's a breakdown in the bilateral relationship, if there's a
28:22
Speaker 8: consular issue, an ambassador has to have that phone line
28:27
Speaker 8: into the President's office or into the Chief of Staff's office.
28:30
Speaker 8: And I don't think Rudd has that now. Unless Rudd
28:34
Speaker 8: develops a relationship with Trump and Susie Wiles and other
28:37
Speaker 8: people in the White House from this point on, I
28:40
Speaker 8: don't think his position is tenable either. And I'm staggered
28:43
Speaker 8: by all of these cheerleaders in the media we're seeing
28:46
Speaker 8: saying that Rudd has pulled off a master stroke.
28:50
Speaker 2: Okay, well, two things I want to ask you very quickly.
28:52
Speaker 2: So you're saying Rudd hasn't pulled off a master the stroke,
28:55
Speaker 2: do you agree? This is about Trump's upcoming Meeter meeting
28:58
Speaker 2: with China and wanting to get the critical minerals deal
29:01
Speaker 2: done before.
29:02
Speaker 8: Then, absolutely any prime minister, a prime minister from number
29:08
Speaker 8: of countries could have been in the Oval Office. Trump
29:10
Speaker 8: is thinking about his confrontation with z in the next
29:14
Speaker 8: week or so, and the two key messages he wanted
29:17
Speaker 8: to send g were one Australia is buying American nuclear
29:21
Speaker 8: submarines and Australia is an aircraft carrier in the Pacific.
29:25
Speaker 8: And two Australia's taxpayers are going to underwrite critical minerals
29:30
Speaker 8: to the US.
29:32
Speaker 2: Just finally, very quickly, without saying anything too problematic. What
29:38
Speaker 2: was your experience of working with Kevin.
29:40
Speaker 8: Rut He was a particularly unpleasant person to work with.
29:47
Speaker 8: He never took any personal interest in the people that
29:50
Speaker 8: were in his office. I think he was a bully.
29:53
Speaker 8: I survived because I stood up to him. He kind
29:58
Speaker 8: of grudgingly respected me. We had a tense standoff and
30:01
Speaker 8: we worked well together, but his unpopularity within labor ranks
30:07
Speaker 8: we staggering. And this is back in two thousand and four,
30:09
Speaker 8: so there's no surprise to me when he became Prime
30:12
Speaker 8: Minister that Julia Gillard Wayne Swan knocked him off because
30:15
Speaker 8: he was deeply hated within the Labor Party and as
30:18
Speaker 8: I said, his interactions with people behind the scenes were
30:23
Speaker 8: bordering on.
30:24
Speaker 2: Toxic, bordering on toxic. Right, Well, thank you for being
30:30
Speaker 2: so candid there, and David Pearl always appreciate your time
30:33
Speaker 2: on the show. Thank you very much. All Right, still
30:38
Speaker 2: to come a shocking new video show is harmass continuing.
30:42
Speaker 2: It's murderous spree. This time it's executing more Palestinians, Yet
30:46
Speaker 2: silence from the activists and Zoran mum Danny is under
30:50
Speaker 2: fire for campaigning with a terror LinkedIn MORM. Dave Ruben
30:54
Speaker 2: is on the show right after this quick break Welcome
31:00
Speaker 2: Back with Pole suggests Democratic socialist Zorun Ma'mdani has a
31:04
Speaker 2: formidable lead in the mayoral race for New York City.
31:08
Speaker 2: This is despite his refusal to condemn terror group of
31:11
Speaker 2: mus and his campaigning alongside at terror linked Immam. I
31:15
Speaker 2: spoke about this and more with US commentator Dave Rupert.
31:19
Speaker 2: Here's our chat. Dave Ruben, terrific to see you in
31:23
Speaker 2: person in Australia.
31:24
Speaker 9: It's nice to finally meet you in person, and it's
31:26
Speaker 9: great to be in your lovely country and in this.
31:29
Speaker 2: Heat wave in Sydney. I hope you're enjoying it.
31:31
Speaker 9: I come from Florida, so this is quite marderr it
31:33
Speaker 9: for me, but I know you guys are feeling the heat.
31:36
Speaker 1: You go.
31:37
Speaker 2: Look, I want to start with this scandal with Mamdani.
31:41
Speaker 2: I mean, he's the front runner to be the New
31:43
Speaker 2: York City mayor and yet he's been pictured. This has
31:46
Speaker 2: been front page of the New York Post, pictured with
31:48
Speaker 2: an Immam Imman, who's an unindicted co conspirator in the
31:52
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three World Trade Center bombings, although he was
31:55
Speaker 2: never charged and denies involvement. I mean, how is Mam
32:00
Speaker 2: Donnie still getting support among New Yorkers?
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Speaker 9: I have to say, as a native New Yorker, I
32:07
Speaker 9: was born in Brooklyn, I grew up in the suburbs
32:09
Speaker 9: of New York and lived in Manhattan most of my
32:11
Speaker 9: adult life. This is an unbelievable tragedy that New York City,
32:15
Speaker 9: unless the polls are so incredibly wildly off, is about
32:19
Speaker 9: to go down this path and have whether you want
32:21
Speaker 9: to call them a communist or a Marxist or a socialist,
32:24
Speaker 9: the fact that they are about to go down this
32:26
Speaker 9: path is deeply, deeply sad. I've been telling people that
32:30
Speaker 9: if you are Jewish and you live in New York City,
32:32
Speaker 9: you must get out now. Do not wait. It is
32:35
Speaker 9: going to be bad. Look, we have seen what has
32:38
Speaker 9: happened in the UK, we have seen what has happened
32:40
Speaker 9: across Western Europe. You guys have some of these problems
32:43
Speaker 9: with some of the integration here in Australia, we have
32:45
Speaker 9: some of it in America, but to see it happen
32:48
Speaker 9: in such a bizarre way in New York City, which
32:51
Speaker 9: is not only really been the number one city in
32:54
Speaker 9: the world, but the epicenter of capitalism, which is the
32:58
Speaker 9: economic system that frees more people than any other that exists,
33:02
Speaker 9: and that we are going to go down this route
33:04
Speaker 9: only twenty four years after nine to eleven. And I
33:07
Speaker 9: was in New York City during nine to eleven. My
33:09
Speaker 9: dad was too. He saw the second plane hit from
33:11
Speaker 9: his office. This is an unimaginable tragedy for New York City,
33:16
Speaker 9: and yet it seems like it's a foregone conclusion at
33:19
Speaker 9: this point.
33:19
Speaker 2: It also says something about the ideology of the left
33:23
Speaker 2: and even of Democrat supporters, that they've moved from being
33:27
Speaker 2: you know, anti war and for peace to almost this
33:31
Speaker 2: twisted support for terrorism.
33:34
Speaker 9: Well, this is the Red Green alliance. I mean, this
33:36
Speaker 9: is why Queers for Palestine is very different than Palestine
33:40
Speaker 9: for Queers, and they don't seem to understand it. But
33:42
Speaker 9: the Marxists and the Marxists and the Communists are aliging
33:46
Speaker 9: with the Islamists because what they both want is the revolution.
33:50
Speaker 9: They both want power and It will not end well
33:54
Speaker 9: for the Queers for Palestine, it will not end well
33:56
Speaker 9: for the you know, the LGBT crew and all of
33:59
Speaker 9: the people who are doing this for economic reasons. This
34:02
Speaker 9: is what mom Dami is. He is a wolf in
34:06
Speaker 9: sheep's clothing. They're doing a nice job with low fi
34:09
Speaker 9: music in the background, and they put a nice lens
34:11
Speaker 9: on him and they soften it, and he wears a
34:13
Speaker 9: nice suit. But if people can't read through what's going
34:16
Speaker 9: on here, then New York City is going to get
34:17
Speaker 9: exactly what it deserves. But no freedom loving people deserve this,
34:21
Speaker 9: and history only proves that this will work out in
34:25
Speaker 9: one way, and it is not good for anyone that
34:28
Speaker 9: It is not good for anyone in New York City,
34:30
Speaker 9: even the people who are voting him in. It will
34:32
Speaker 9: not be good over time when those buses stop running,
34:34
Speaker 9: when those grocery stores end up empty, when all of
34:37
Speaker 9: the builders refuse to build because you know, housing isn't free,
34:40
Speaker 9: and all of those things.
34:42
Speaker 2: So what we've seen that experiment to a certain extent
34:44
Speaker 2: in San Francisco are the parts of California as well.
34:48
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about this latest security threat
34:51
Speaker 2: to the president. We've seen officials say that there's a
34:55
Speaker 2: suspected sniper's nest found near Air Force One. Now this
35:01
Speaker 2: is just the latest example, isn't it, of how dangerous
35:05
Speaker 2: it's becoming, not only for the president, but for any
35:08
Speaker 2: high profile conservative in the United States.
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Speaker 9: Well, look, as you know, Charlie Kirk was a good
35:12
Speaker 9: friend of mine. I'm still mourning his death in some sense.
35:15
Speaker 9: It doesn't it still doesn't even feel real in some way.
35:18
Speaker 9: But this is the new political climate that we appear
35:21
Speaker 9: to be in, and we should note. You know, the
35:23
Speaker 9: media tells us that it's both sides doing all of
35:26
Speaker 9: these things, and it's fifty to fifty, and it's equal,
35:29
Speaker 9: and it simply is not. The Left after years of
35:33
Speaker 9: calling us all Nazis and racists and bigots and all
35:36
Speaker 9: of those things, now has ginned up a younger generation
35:39
Speaker 9: that actually, by polling, it's quite staggering the huge percentage
35:43
Speaker 9: of young leftists in America think that political violence is excusable,
35:48
Speaker 9: and it simply is not. Once you open up that
35:50
Speaker 9: Pandora's box, once you say, well, someone thinks differently than me,
35:54
Speaker 9: so I'm allowed to use violence. Well, congratulations, that's going
35:57
Speaker 9: to be used on you.
35:58
Speaker 1: Too.
35:58
Speaker 9: I mean, it's the simple contract of living in a
36:00
Speaker 9: free society that we can agree to disagree and walk away,
36:03
Speaker 9: and we don't have to talk to each other, and
36:04
Speaker 9: we don't have to live next door to each other.
36:06
Speaker 9: But we can't kill democracy. It is the most fundamental,
36:09
Speaker 9: basic building block of democracy. We are not going to
36:12
Speaker 9: kill each other. But a huge percentage of leftist seemed
36:15
Speaker 9: to believe this. Now, fortunately they found this thing. Who
36:17
Speaker 9: knows exactly what it was. Therefore, President Trump does have
36:21
Speaker 9: extraordinary protections. But let's not forget we're only, you know,
36:25
Speaker 9: less than two years off an assassination assassination attempt on
36:29
Speaker 9: him as well. So it is it is a precarious time.
36:34
Speaker 9: But I wouldn't even say just to be a political
36:36
Speaker 9: pundit or a politician. It's a precarious time for everyone. Also,
36:40
Speaker 9: don't forget that they killed United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson
36:43
Speaker 9: in the middle of Times Square because some guy didn't
36:46
Speaker 9: like the policies of his company.
36:48
Speaker 2: Anyway, that murder was celebrated.
36:50
Speaker 9: There was a portion of the left that was for
36:52
Speaker 9: that too. So when they tell you, you know, it's interesting,
36:54
Speaker 9: they tell you that words are violence, but they don't
36:56
Speaker 9: seem to think that violence is violence. So we have
36:59
Speaker 9: a lot of work to do.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, look, let's turn to these comments that Democrats are making,
37:05
Speaker 2: like Bernie Sanders. I mean, the President has literally delivered,
37:09
Speaker 2: always on the cusp of delivering peace in the Middle East,
37:12
Speaker 2: and yet we've seen Bernie Sanders at this so called
37:16
Speaker 2: No King's rally trying to claim that Trump is the
37:19
Speaker 2: greatest threat to the United States. I think we've got
37:22
Speaker 2: those comments, if we can have a quick look at them.
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Speaker 10: It is in danger when we have a president who
37:29
Speaker 10: illegally fires tens of thousands of federal employees right here
37:35
Speaker 10: in Washington, DC throughout our country and rips up union
37:42
Speaker 10: contracts that workers have fought for and won.
37:49
Speaker 2: Shouldn't he be praising the president for what he's just
37:51
Speaker 2: done in the Middle East?
37:52
Speaker 9: Cherry, I thought I could come to Australia and not
37:55
Speaker 9: hear clips at Bernie sand I apologize gefted me to
37:58
Speaker 9: the millionaire Bernie Sands, who owns three houses and yet
38:02
Speaker 9: promote socialism and ideology that eventually would throw someone like
38:06
Speaker 9: him in the dustbin. Look, this is so profoundly observed,
38:11
Speaker 9: No Kings. Not only is Donald Trump not a king,
38:15
Speaker 9: but he allowed the rallies to take place. He opened
38:17
Speaker 9: up the Mall in DC despite a government shut down.
38:21
Speaker 9: They did not arrest mass people. They said whatever they
38:24
Speaker 9: want to say about him. So every single thing that
38:27
Speaker 9: they do is really a projection. They are the ones
38:30
Speaker 9: who would love to accumulate power in all of those things.
38:33
Speaker 9: Donald Trump is freeing people. What is Donald What is
38:36
Speaker 9: the worst thing Donald Trump has done? Well, we're getting
38:38
Speaker 9: closer to Middle Piece in to peace in the Middle East.
38:41
Speaker 9: He's lowering taxes, we have some trade deals that are happening.
38:44
Speaker 9: Maybe in Australia, you guys are too thrilled with that.
38:46
Speaker 9: But Donald Trump is freeing the American people. He's freeing
38:49
Speaker 9: the economic engine of America. And Bernie Sanders is realizing
38:55
Speaker 9: his time is almost forty years of doing nothing but
38:59
Speaker 9: convincing people that envy is actually virtue and it's obviously the.
39:03
Speaker 2: Complete remorse such moral clarity. So great to have you
39:07
Speaker 2: on the show and to meet you in person. Thanks
39:09
Speaker 2: so much, David, and have a great rest of your
39:11
Speaker 2: time in Australia.
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Speaker 9: Thank you.
39:14
Speaker 2: And you can see Dave Rubens Don't Burn This World
39:17
Speaker 2: tour in Brisbane on Monday, October twenty seven. Now still
39:22
Speaker 2: to come, Trump councils a Ukraine Russian peace summit. We'll
39:26
Speaker 2: find out why. And pro Palestinian activists are strangely silent
39:30
Speaker 2: about the horrific footage of Hermas executing Palestinians. I'll get
39:34
Speaker 2: the latest from Israel after this quick break. Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: We're shocking. Newly released footage shows hermus terrorists torturing and
39:47
Speaker 2: executing Palestinians in broad daylight. The video is too graphic
39:52
Speaker 2: to show on air. We can only show you still images,
39:55
Speaker 2: but a warning. It is still very distressing. Is dragged
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Speaker 2: by a government into a public square in front of
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Speaker 2: a crowd of onlookers. He's savagely beaten and then finally executed.
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Speaker 2: It's terrifying footage, and it is a violation of Donald
40:13
Speaker 2: Trump's peace deal that requires her Musk to lay down
40:17
Speaker 2: its weapons. But where is it being discussed in the media.
40:21
Speaker 2: Where are the pro Palestinian activists? Where is the United
40:25
Speaker 2: Nations well to discuss during me? Now is Israeli news
40:29
Speaker 2: anchor Littal Schemesh Littal? Well, firstly, let's start with the
40:33
Speaker 2: footage itself. It seems like Hermas is now on a
40:37
Speaker 2: terrace spree against Palestinians.
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Speaker 11: Yes, Cherry, you're absolutely right. They've been doing that for
40:46
Speaker 11: a few weeks now. And I have to be honest
40:49
Speaker 11: and tell you the moment Israel Israeli IDF soldiers have
40:54
Speaker 11: left most of the Gaza Strip, that was the exact
40:57
Speaker 11: moment where Hamas started to hunt everyone who's carrying weapons
41:02
Speaker 11: who doesn't belong to Haramas. And this situation has been
41:06
Speaker 11: going for dozens of years. We've been seeing In two
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Speaker 11: thousand and five, after Israel took all of its men
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Speaker 11: and women from the Gaza Strip, Ramas was hunting, hunting
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Speaker 11: the Palaesine Authority soldiers, men, women, throwing them off rooftops.
41:22
Speaker 11: And what we've seen now is basically a regular normal
41:27
Speaker 11: situation on how the Gaza Strip looks under looks like
41:32
Speaker 11: under Ramas control public executions, no women's rightsh noah, gays rights,
41:41
Speaker 11: all the stuff that people who are marching around the
41:45
Speaker 11: world for Palestinians should stand for.
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Speaker 2: Well, are you surprised they have been quiet about this,
41:54
Speaker 2: presumably because they can't blame Israel.
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Speaker 11: It's not Israel. When Muslims are murdering Muslims around the world,
42:05
Speaker 11: the world keeps silence, the UN keeps silence, the human
42:08
Speaker 11: rights organizations keep silence. It's not news, it's not interesting.
42:13
Speaker 11: Just look on the horrific pictures you've just shown of
42:17
Speaker 11: Hamas publicly executing people. People are cheering in circles around
42:23
Speaker 11: those activities. You know, you must have shown the pictures
42:27
Speaker 11: of the poor shark who was stabbed dozens of times
42:31
Speaker 11: from people Palestinians who drag the poor creature.
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Speaker 2: Actually tell sorry to trot, but I have read about that,
42:39
Speaker 2: but we actually haven't coveted on the show. So do
42:41
Speaker 2: you want to tell our audience about the the Was
42:44
Speaker 2: it a shakles, it a whale?
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Speaker 11: It was a shark whale, a very rare type who
42:50
Speaker 11: was swimming along the shores of Israel for quite some time.
42:54
Speaker 11: The moment he got into the Gazza shore, the people
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Speaker 11: just dragged him out of the water and start started
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Speaker 11: stabbing it, dozens of people around it. It's a very
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Speaker 11: shocking way to see. And Green Peace Israel actually posted
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Speaker 11: a message on their Facebook page saying it depends on
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Speaker 11: the context. It depends on the context, and they're writing
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Speaker 11: a lot of sharks are being hunted by people around
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Speaker 11: the world. This is not a regular fishing spree of
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Speaker 11: people cutting shark in their nets. That was a horrific look.
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Speaker 11: And that's another example of an organization who's supposed to
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Speaker 11: take care of animals and just making excuses for those
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Speaker 11: Palestinians stopping the poor animal.
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Speaker 2: US Vice President jd Vance arrived in Israel last night
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Speaker 2: to support the past deal.
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Speaker 12: Here is every time that there's an act of violence,
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Speaker 12: there's this inclination to say, oh, this is the end
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Speaker 12: of the ceasefire, this is the end of the peace plan.
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Speaker 12: It's not the end. It is in fact, exactly how
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Speaker 12: this is going to have to happen when you have
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Speaker 12: people who hate each other, who've been fighting against each
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Speaker 12: other for a very long time. We are doing very well.
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Speaker 12: We are in a very good place.
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Speaker 2: So and by the way, I hate that equivalence that
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Speaker 2: they tend to bring people who have been fighting each
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Speaker 2: other in israelis just want to live in peace. They
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Speaker 2: didn't ask for the war. They didn't ask to be
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Speaker 2: invaded and attacked and massacred on October seven. No one
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Speaker 2: wanted this war. But nonetheless, do you think it is
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Speaker 2: now just reality that Israel will have to go back
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Speaker 2: into Gaza to defeat Hamas.
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Speaker 11: Yes, well, Israel will have to go to Gaza for
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Speaker 11: a number of reasons. First of all, we still haven't
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Speaker 11: gotten all of our hostages. The dead hostages who are
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Speaker 11: still being held by Hamas are thirteen still being held
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Speaker 11: by Hamas. And secondly, you still have armed men controlling
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Speaker 11: the Gaza strip. You still have fifty percent of the
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Speaker 11: terri tunnels who weren't dismantled. And Israel will have to
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Speaker 11: finish the job that it started so we won't have
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Speaker 11: a threat right on our border. Only this week Hamas
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Speaker 11: has prevented the ceasefire four times. Two Israeli soldiers has
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Speaker 11: been killed by Ramas terrorists. Just yesterday again they were
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Speaker 11: shooting against Israeli soldiers on the Yellow borderline. So Ramas
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Speaker 11: is preventing the ceasefire again and again, and I think
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Speaker 11: Israel wouldn't have any choice but to get inside the
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Speaker 11: gas strip again.
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Speaker 2: All right, little Schmesh, thank you very much once again.
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Speaker 2: Now still to come a Russia. Trump's summit it canceled.
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Speaker 2: I'll get the latest on the President's efforts to end
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Speaker 2: this war. After the break. Welcome back with Donald Trump's
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Speaker 2: planned summit with Putin is on ice indefinitely after Moscow
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Speaker 2: rejected an immediate ceasefire in Ukraine. This is a blow
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Speaker 2: to the President's efforts to end the wall quickly off
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Speaker 2: the back of his success in the Middle East.
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Speaker 3: I don't want to have a wasted meeting. I don't
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Speaker 3: want to have a wasted time.
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Speaker 2: So I'll see what happens, all right, Well for more
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Speaker 2: on this, The former advisor to the Minister of Defense
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Speaker 2: of Ukraine, Yuri sak joins me, Yuri, great to see you.
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Speaker 2: So why did Trump choose do you think, at least
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Speaker 2: at this point in time, to not have the meeting
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Speaker 2: with Prutin.
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Speaker 1: Good day, Charie. I think the reasons for Donald Trump's
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Speaker 1: approach are quite obvious. He doesn't want to be, as
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Speaker 1: he himself said, he doesn't want to be messed around
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Speaker 1: by Putting. I mean, he did say before that he
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Speaker 1: will not be. But we are seeing exactly that. We're
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Speaker 1: seeing that Putting is tapping Donald Trump along, and he's
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Speaker 1: lying into his face or into his earpiece when they
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Speaker 1: speak on the phone. And of course Donald Trump doesn't
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Speaker 1: want to have another summit like the one he had
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Speaker 1: in a in Anchorage because that resulted in nothing, and
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Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be in that same situation again
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Speaker 1: where he will be criticized for the lack of progress,
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Speaker 1: both by his own compatriots as well as by the
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Speaker 1: onlookers from the outside, the.
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Speaker 2: United American So the reports are that Putin is unwilling
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Speaker 2: to consider any concessions. Russia is still demanding the eastern
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Speaker 2: Donbass region. Is this the key sticking block?
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Speaker 8: Is it?
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Speaker 2: Does it come down to territory?
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Speaker 1: Well, that is Sharry, a very important point to understand.
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Speaker 1: For Putting, It's not about territory, it's not about square kilometers.
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Speaker 1: For Putting, it is about destroying Ukraine as an independent state.
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Speaker 1: This is why we call it among ourselves, this is
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Speaker 1: the freedom war. It's not just for territories, it's for values.
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Speaker 1: It's for our existence. And that's why the positions of
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Speaker 1: the Kremlin and the rest of the civilized world are irreconcilable.
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Speaker 1: Because whatever we will offer Putting, that will never be enough.
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Speaker 1: That's why you know, we are very skeptical overall. Of course,
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Speaker 1: we still you know, keep our hearts and doors open
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Speaker 1: for the plomacy, but understanding Russia well, understanding their intentions
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Speaker 1: as well as we do, we are confident that the
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Speaker 1: only thing that works is force. The only thing that
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Speaker 1: Putting understands is force. This is actually why the moment
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Speaker 1: he heard about the possibility of Ukraine receiving Tomahawk missiles
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Speaker 1: from the US, he immediately called Donald Trump and say, hey,
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Speaker 1: let's stop, let's talk about peace and what happens next.
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Speaker 1: As soon as he learns that tomahawks are not coming
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Speaker 1: to Ukraine. All night last night we had a massive
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Speaker 1: missile strike on Ukraine. People killed around Ukraine, just outside
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Speaker 1: of Kiev. A young family, one six month old girl
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Speaker 1: and one twelve year old girl killed in.
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Speaker 2: Their home, in their Let me hear at Uri.
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Speaker 1: It's that's what it is. Putin is an indicted war
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Speaker 1: criminal with no intention for peace. You know, Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: wants to end the war. We want to end the war.
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Speaker 1: Putin wants to end Ukraine and we must not allow
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Speaker 1: that to happen. We will not allow that to happen.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, really really strong words there, and you know that
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Speaker 2: doesn't get as much media coverage, but this war has
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Speaker 2: been raging for much longer than the Middle East and
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Speaker 2: very difficult on the people of Ukraine. Uri appreciate your time,
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Speaker 2: Thank you, very much. And that was Yuri Sack there right,
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Speaker 2: that's all we've got time for tonight. I'll see you
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Speaker 2: on Monday. Won't be here tomorrow, but still watch the show.
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Speaker 2: Here's Paul Murray.