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Credlin | 12 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peto Quedlin live from New twenty four.
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Speaker 2: What do you expect of the Prime Minister? Maxige Goose
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Speaker 2: himself on social media? Good evening, Welcome to the program.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up tonight on Credline, the housing debate
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Speaker 2: hots up. The Coalition finally today putting some sort of
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Speaker 2: number on net migration, but is it official policy? Up
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Speaker 2: with that to the Opposition leader Angus Taylor, who joins
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Speaker 2: me live a little later, plus still with the coalition.
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Speaker 2: News twenty four Pulse poll has the opposition primary vote
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Speaker 2: closing in now on both One Nation and the government,
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Speaker 2: as Angus Taylor starts the climb back from the catastrophic
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Speaker 2: wreckage of Susan Lee's time as leader.
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Speaker 3: More on that with Tom Connell.
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Speaker 2: Pluster reports tonight Asio will get secret powers to investigate
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Speaker 2: university research ties with hostile nations and we'll look at
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Speaker 2: more fuel or over Australia's de radicalization programs. And Angus
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Speaker 2: Taylor today going hard on the Prime Minister over his
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Speaker 2: crude treatment at the Japanese PM as Albin Ezi digs
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Speaker 2: in and refuses to apologize.
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Speaker 4: Why won't the Prime Minister stop treating us like fools?
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Speaker 4: Manner and say sorry to the Prime Minister of Japan.
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Speaker 2: We will stay with that issue because is it any
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Speaker 2: wonder that people have lost faith in politicians when our
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister is a purveyor of smart and repeatedly appears
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Speaker 2: to have what can only be described as a pathological
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Speaker 2: aversion to the truth. It's one thing to make a mistake,
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Speaker 2: quite another to refuse to admit it and character eroding,
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Speaker 2: to double down and then insist you did nothing wrong.
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Speaker 2: But that's the mo the modus of runde of Anthony Albanezi,
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Speaker 2: and he is shameless, whether it's falling off a stage
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Speaker 2: and then denying what was clearly caught on camera.
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Speaker 5: Stepped off the stage.
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Speaker 6: I didn't fall over on my backside.
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Speaker 5: I stumbled, That's what happened.
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Speaker 2: Or a negging on election commitments to cut household power.
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Speaker 6: Bills reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five
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Speaker 6: dollars two hundred and seventy five.
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Speaker 4: Dollars two hundred and seventy five.
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Speaker 2: Dollars a year, or that promise made some fifty times
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Speaker 2: plus by his own reckoning not to touch taxes on investments.
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Speaker 7: Can you rule out any changes to negative gearing and
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Speaker 7: capital gains taxes.
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Speaker 5: How hard is it for the fiftieth time.
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Speaker 2: The Prime minister's pattern of deceit, well, it now defines
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Speaker 2: him and that's deadly, particularly when facing off against the
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Speaker 2: likes of Pauline Hanson, who is nothing but a straight shooter,
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Speaker 2: even where her candor costs her votes.
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Speaker 8: I think disgusting that the Prime Minister can't even admit
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Speaker 8: whether he got two melons, and this is the way
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Speaker 8: he goes about this on air. I think it's disgusting.
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Speaker 8: We know what the hell he was talking about.
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Speaker 2: I was in the House of Representatives that day when
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Speaker 2: Julia Gillard came in like a galleon with sales full
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Speaker 2: and cannons ready, as Tony Abbott stood at the dispatch
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Speaker 2: box and demanded that she sacked Peter Slipper, her turncoat speaker,
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Speaker 2: for highly derogatory comments that Slipper had made about female
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Speaker 2: genitalia published in the media that morning. But because the
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Speaker 2: removal of Slipper could have sent her hung Parliament to
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Speaker 2: the polls, Gillard defended the indefensible deploying that now infamous
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Speaker 2: misogyny speech to save her own political skin at the
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Speaker 2: expense of.
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Speaker 3: Women and girls.
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Speaker 2: Now, can you imagine the outrage if Abbott had made
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Speaker 2: hand gestures about Melon's and a female politician, rather than
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Speaker 2: merely as he did look at his watch, or Scott
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Speaker 2: Morrison or Peter Dutton. Not only was Albanese's mocking of
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Speaker 2: a generous ceremonial gift from his Japanese counterpart ill judged
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Speaker 2: given the concern that Tokyo already has about his closest
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Speaker 2: to Beijing, but to use clearly sexual innuenda innuendo to
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Speaker 2: Garners social media likes at the expense of our allies
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Speaker 2: first ever female leader was crass beyond belief. When was
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Speaker 2: the last time that the member for grain Love stood
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Speaker 2: on the stage to give a sober economic speech as
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Speaker 2: opposed according influences with vacuous questions to even more vacuous
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Speaker 2: vacuous answers to even more vacuous questions.
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Speaker 5: Budget late next week, listen up, very surreal.
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Speaker 6: Jeers by Abes and welcome to Happy Hour with Lucy
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Speaker 6: Nikki and the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: I mean, who's running the media strategy in his office
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Speaker 2: or any of these labor offices anyway? So enamored are
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Speaker 2: they all with TikTok sound bites and trending reels.
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Speaker 5: Mister Christmas to speak.
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Speaker 2: That labors Delulu if they think drivel like this goes
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Speaker 2: down well with everyday Australians at a time where their
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Speaker 2: house values are tanking, crimes spiking, and people are worried
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Speaker 2: about whether they can cover their power bills. It's indulgent.
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Speaker 2: It cheapens the high office that he occupies. He doesn't
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Speaker 2: own it, It just occupies it. Not that Alvin Easy
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Speaker 2: or his team appreciate that subtle but critical difference. What
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Speaker 2: stays me is the gas lighting. He insults our intelligence,
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Speaker 2: pretending that in a discussion about melons and Pamela Anderson
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Speaker 2: whilst juggling his chairs, hands in front of his chest,
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Speaker 2: as if it's anything other than what.
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Speaker 3: We know it was. The Japanese Prime Minister brought a melon?
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Speaker 3: Did she smuggle it?
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Speaker 4: I don't know.
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Speaker 6: Got a couple of melons she brought too, She brought too,
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Speaker 6: as you.
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Speaker 2: Do, Pamela Anderson melons. I mean, this is straight out
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Speaker 2: of the Daniel Andrews playbook.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: Try and tell people that what they saw they saw
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Speaker 2: it as black nut.
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Speaker 3: It's white that what.
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Speaker 2: He did he didn't do, or what he said he
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Speaker 2: didn't say. I mean, give me a contrite, Peter Beatty
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Speaker 2: any time. Give me any politician ready to say sorry
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Speaker 2: when they make a mistake, rather than one like this
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Speaker 2: that treats us with such contempt. And speaking of contempt,
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Speaker 2: I don't know who deserves the opprobrium more mister Albert
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Speaker 2: Sleezy or his handbag hit squad of mean girls as
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Speaker 2: they raced out to defend what, if said by anyone else,
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Speaker 2: would have been worse than a war crime. Just like
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Speaker 2: none of them seem to have watched the degrading so
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Speaker 2: called skit involving the mining billionaire Gina Reinheart, saying that
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Speaker 2: it was a matter for the ABC that they could
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Speaker 2: not comment on the content. What was it about the
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Speaker 2: conservative politics of Sano Takahatchi that meant she was denied
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Speaker 2: that a ritual defense so readily granted to women on
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Speaker 2: the left. How galling must be for these labor women.
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Speaker 2: I mean, they're used as sheerler shields for alban easy,
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Speaker 2: but how weak of them to go along with it.
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Speaker 2: In my day, women politicians told to get out there
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Speaker 2: and defend the indefensible would have told the person at
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Speaker 2: the end of the phone it gets staffed, but not
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Speaker 2: these women of modern labor, quick to lecture all of
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Speaker 2: us about a kind of gentler parliament, quick to lecture
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Speaker 2: about the need for quotas to give women a fair go,
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Speaker 2: and yet so quick to produce themselves to be little
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Speaker 2: more than Patsy's for a craftsman who's diminishing faster than
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Speaker 2: even his critics would believe. The Prime Minister has been
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Speaker 2: very clear that the type of inference that you're applying
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Speaker 2: there is not what he was.
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Speaker 9: What we have heard from the Japanese side of this
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Speaker 9: is there has been a sensationalized reporting of something that,
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Speaker 9: as the Prime Minister has been very clear about, has
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Speaker 9: been mischaracterized.
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Speaker 10: The comments and the remarks from the Prime Minister have
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Speaker 10: been misinterpreted. The Prime Minister is very clear that he
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Speaker 10: did not mean for those comments to be interpreting the
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Speaker 10: way they have by some media outlets and by our
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Speaker 10: political opponents.
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Speaker 2: Come on, girls, we will see you. But no one
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Speaker 2: should be surprised by that. Look at the track record
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Speaker 2: of these women and their treatment of liberals like Linda
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Speaker 2: Reynolds and Fiona Brown, both now exonerated over allegations they
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Speaker 2: acted to damage Britney Higgins, and yet still no apology
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Speaker 2: for either woman. Spare thought too for their own colleague
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Speaker 2: who had the courage to call them Mount Kimberly Kitchen,
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Speaker 2: the late ALP senator ostracized by her own side for
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Speaker 2: daring to warn Reynolds of the coming storm, or fellow
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Speaker 2: labor victorian the late Jane Garrett, who showed incredible bravery
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Speaker 2: holding fast to ministerial standards that were then being debased
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Speaker 2: by Daniel Andrews, as laid out in last week's long
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Speaker 2: awaited Iback report. When it comes to integrity the left
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Speaker 2: of frauds, I couldn't imagine Peter Malinowskis or Chris Min's
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Speaker 2: behaving as the Prime Minister did in that low rent podcast.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't imagine Kim Beasley entertaining a question about shagging
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Speaker 2: Kylie Mino. I just can't every guests he gets asked
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Speaker 2: these shag Mary date Kylie Minogue, Nicole Kidman or Ronda Birchmore.
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Speaker 3: I've just got married, I'm only six months in. Well,
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Speaker 3: if it goes tits up, let's just pretend.
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Speaker 2: Oh Kylie, clearly he married Kylie and Shagger and data.
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Speaker 4: All of the above.
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Speaker 2: I mean, how unedifying is that None of that now
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Speaker 2: notorious podcast was broadcast live, none of it.
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Speaker 3: It was all pre recorded there that's the sitting room.
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Speaker 2: At the lodge, So how did it even make its
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Speaker 2: way to air? There's something off, creepy off about Albertez's
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Speaker 2: desperation to be faded by twenty somethings. Maybe it's because,
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Speaker 2: having once had his face on a can of beer,
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Speaker 2: it's all gone to his head now. I don't know
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Speaker 2: about this DJ Albow, but that's not who I want
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Speaker 2: to see on the international stage representing my country. I mean,
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Speaker 2: are we really going back to the days of beating
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Speaker 2: Hill with this bloke? Give me a daggy John Howard
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Speaker 2: in a tract suit any day. Humility will now be
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Speaker 2: the biggest test for the Prime minister. Will he have
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Speaker 2: the intestinal fortitude to personally apologize to the Japanese Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister and to the Australian public who know exactly what
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Speaker 2: they saw on that podcast.
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Speaker 3: Well we will see. But today, whether it's a.
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Speaker 2: Travel roads of his MPs or his own budget lies.
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Speaker 2: Almines has got a glass jaw, and that means he
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Speaker 2: rarely admits to being wrong, even when he is, and
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Speaker 2: to all those labor women who are out on camera
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Speaker 2: this week defending him, that footage is there.
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Speaker 3: We'll keep it so that the next.
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Speaker 2: Time you get on your high horse when someone offends
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Speaker 2: your gender sensibilities or we will use it when you
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Speaker 2: go out there and you defend the indefensible, like you
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Speaker 2: are now rendering your right to criticize others, because yet again,
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Speaker 2: the standard you are walking past as labor women is
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Speaker 2: the standard you accept now. Honestly, ladies, how low will
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Speaker 2: you go? Let's get the headlines out of Canberra. Political
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Speaker 2: reporter Ruven Spargo.
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Speaker 11: Good evening the Prime Minister is refusing to apologize to
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Speaker 11: his Japanese counterpart over the melon controversy. Pauline Hanson is
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Speaker 11: taking Anthony Albenezi to task over his podcast appearance.
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Speaker 8: The way he goes about this on a I think
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Speaker 8: it's disgusting. We know what the hell he was talking about.
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Speaker 11: The Coalition has asked the Federal Police to investigate who
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Speaker 11: leaked diplomatic correspondents from Japan over the incident.
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Speaker 4: Why won't the Prime Minister stop treating us like fools?
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Speaker 4: Man up and say sorry to the Prime Minister of Japan.
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Speaker 12: My office and my team have spent four years carefully
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Speaker 12: rebuilding our relationships.
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Speaker 11: Labour insists the podcast appearance has not damaged to Australia's
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Speaker 11: relationship with Japan. The Coalition is vowing to slash a
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Speaker 11: long list of construction standards in a bid to lower
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Speaker 11: the cost of building homes and tackle Australia's housing shortfall.
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Speaker 11: It wants to cut more than two thousand pages of
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Speaker 11: building rules down to just eighty Everything beyond basic safety
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Speaker 11: standards would become an optional extra, including accessibility and energy
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Speaker 11: efficiency requirements.
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Speaker 13: It is illegal to build a cheap house in Australia,
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Speaker 13: which is outrageous. The house won't be gold plated, but
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Speaker 13: it won't fall down.
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Speaker 11: The Coalition has confirmed it wants to cut net overseas
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Speaker 11: migration to fewer than one hundred and eighty thousand people
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Speaker 11: a year to ease pressure on housing demand.
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Speaker 2: There are good signs here of improvement for the Coalition
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Speaker 2: if you have a look at the trend under Angus
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Speaker 2: Taylor's leadership. The Coalition is starting to close the gap
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Speaker 2: on both One Nation and the Government, and there's a
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Speaker 2: boost in personal support too for the opposition leader. News
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Speaker 2: twenty four Chief Election analyst Tom Connell has more.
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Speaker 14: Peter, the gap between the Coalition and One Nation is
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Speaker 14: something we've been monitoring. It has closed again. The latest
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Speaker 14: news twenty four Pulse. Not a lot of movement in
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Speaker 14: this primary vote, but one nation down. The one percentage
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Speaker 14: point in the gap is now at two percent.
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Speaker 15: So why this focus.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's track this.
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Speaker 14: Over time and look at the primary vote of what
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Speaker 14: i'll call the Big three, going back to November last year.
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Speaker 14: Labor then was still clearly in front of thirty two percent.
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Speaker 14: One Nation had begun to surge, remember six percent of
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Speaker 14: the election, so it's up to eighteen here the coalition
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Speaker 14: on twenty five, a summer dominated by the Bondai terror attack.
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Speaker 14: We had one nation edging ahead by January, but not
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Speaker 14: a big margin, twenty three to nineteen. In February Susan
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Speaker 14: Lee was replaced by March. The Coalition gap and One
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Speaker 14: Nation gap is growing. It's nine percentage point and then
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Speaker 14: the peak coming at the end of June thirteen percentage points.
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Speaker 14: That's massive, but it has closed up pretty quickly. In
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Speaker 14: July it was down to six percentage points. Then you
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Speaker 14: get to now August, it's only two percent. The open
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Speaker 14: question we don't know the answer. Has one nation peaked
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Speaker 14: after perhaps what we'd call a post Bondi surge the
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Speaker 14: Prime minister's personal numbers. Meanwhile, they have dipped again. Satisfied
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Speaker 14: is down and dissatisfied up, so down three percent overall
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Speaker 14: the minus twenty one percent net satisfaction That is about
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Speaker 14: where Peter Dutton was before the last election, but it's
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Speaker 14: still well ahead of where Susan.
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Speaker 1: Lee got to.
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Speaker 15: Let's look at the opposition leaders net satisfaction over time
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Speaker 15: as well. Beginning in February.
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Speaker 14: This was when Susan Lee had her last result minus
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Speaker 14: forty percent net satisfaction, so comparing those unhappy with her
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Speaker 14: compared to happy, that is about as bad as it gets.
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Speaker 14: There was an instant bump for Angus Taylor back up
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Speaker 14: to minus eight percent, and then maybe it's a honeymoon period.
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Speaker 15: He got to almost neutral at minus.
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Speaker 14: One a pretty sustained slide after then May jun in
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Speaker 14: July down to minus sixteen percent, but in our latest
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Speaker 14: poll he's received a much needed boost, up five percentage.
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Speaker 15: Points in one poll at minus eleven.
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Speaker 14: Now, any leader would rather be in positive territory, but
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Speaker 14: in opposition your job is to criticize, particularly early.
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Speaker 15: On in a term when you're not fleshing out your
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Speaker 15: own plan.
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Speaker 14: So if you look at these numbers minus eleven overall
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Speaker 14: and at the moment heading in the right direction he
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Speaker 14: needs to get his primary vote up, these numbers themselves,
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Speaker 14: they won't be.
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Speaker 15: A major concern for Angus Taylor, all right.
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Speaker 2: One political observation I bake there on that movement. As
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Speaker 2: Tom said, there was a bit of a boost for
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Speaker 2: Angus Taylor's personal ratings and there was a bit of
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Speaker 2: a slide and then there's been a boost back again.
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Speaker 2: A lot of that, in my view, has to do
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Speaker 2: with when Parliament is on and in that hiatus when
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Speaker 2: it fell away. The high point was obviously around the
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Speaker 2: Budget reply speech he gave in Budget week. When it
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Speaker 2: falls away, it's when the opposition's not in a around Parliament,
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Speaker 2: they're not in the mix at night in the media
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Speaker 2: and they're not pumping out the content as they normally do.
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Speaker 2: So this will be something that the opposition will have
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Speaker 2: to watch closely.
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Speaker 3: Let's get into the other issues.
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Speaker 2: I've got a Padel now joining me and News threenty
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Speaker 2: four contributor Cali cats and Barness and Deputy and director
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Speaker 2: at the Institute of Public Affairs, Dan Wild. Welcome to
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Speaker 2: you both, Carolee. I want to start with Question Time today.
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Speaker 2: They pushed really hard on the Prime Minister, who is
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Speaker 2: still refusing to apologize for the crude and sexist gestures
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Speaker 2: about the Japanese Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 4: Why won't the Prime Minister stop treating us like fools?
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Speaker 4: Man up and say sorry to the Prime Minister of Japan.
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Speaker 6: Can the Prime Minister assure the House that neither his
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Speaker 6: office nor his department leaked official and private correspondence from
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Speaker 6: the government of Japan. The Prime Minister has now been
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Speaker 6: asked three times why he will not apologize to the
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Speaker 6: Prime Minister of Japan for his appalling behavior on the
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Speaker 6: Bush Deep podcast.
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Speaker 3: All right, we all know what we saw.
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Speaker 2: I think out there in the real world people know
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Speaker 2: exactly what they saw. And this defense by the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: digging in the defense by all these women in this
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Speaker 2: front bench saying it's all been misinterpreted. I don't think
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Speaker 2: this is going to help him at all. This is
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Speaker 2: not when Rudd went to the Scores nightclub, the strip
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Speaker 2: club in New York. This is coming after a female
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Speaker 2: counterpart world leader.
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Speaker 3: It's a very very different thing, Kroly.
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Speaker 16: It shows a lack of respect to the Japanese Prime Minister,
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Speaker 16: and it also shows a lot of arrogance and Hubrit's
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Speaker 16: midway through the second term. The thing is you can't
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Speaker 16: change what you don't acknowledge. And the bottom line is
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Speaker 16: if Anthony Albanezi doesn't think that what he said and
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Speaker 16: did is offensive, doesn't matter how many times people try
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Speaker 16: and point that out. He won't accept it because there
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Speaker 16: is no class to the man and he is not
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Speaker 16: a leader. The interesting thing to me is Tanya Plibersic,
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Speaker 16: as we know, seen as a long term rival from
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Speaker 16: the same left faction as him. She was left on
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Speaker 16: you know, morning television having to defend him, and we
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Speaker 16: know that that's a poison chalice, isn't it. Because he
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Speaker 16: dumped her originally from education, put her an environment, then
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Speaker 16: dumped her from that, put her to water, put her
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Speaker 16: to social services.
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Speaker 3: So he's got a.
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Speaker 16: Right where he wants her. You've then got Katie Gallagher,
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Speaker 16: the finance who came out as well, well you know
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Speaker 16: the alleged allegations before as being.
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Speaker 3: One of the mean girls.
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Speaker 16: He's got these women trying to defend him, who in
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Speaker 16: their own right have their own issues in the public
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Speaker 16: eye as well. And I just think it is incredibly
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Speaker 16: rude because as we know with the Prime MINISTERY has
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Speaker 16: a history of this, you know that Tetchie press conference
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Speaker 16: where he's at all for the fiftieth time, we're not
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Speaker 16: going to change, you know, to capital gains tax or
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Speaker 16: negative gearing, and he did. We've had the two hundred
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Speaker 16: and seventy five dollars energy bill credit that didn't come out.
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Speaker 3: We've had the.
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Speaker 16: Fall off the stage. I stepped off the stage. We've
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Speaker 16: had the promise of him going to the Northern Territory
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Speaker 16: to the Gama Festival, he hasn't done that. And then
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Speaker 16: poor Diddams he hasn't had a day off in a year,
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Speaker 16: so he went to take leave. I just think the
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Speaker 16: fact that he's not acknowledging this shows that he has
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Speaker 16: something to hide. And regardless of what he says, he
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Speaker 16: seems to dine out on, the eyes of.
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Speaker 3: The world are on Australia.
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Speaker 16: Well, he needs to wake up and realize that our
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Speaker 16: standing in the world, this is headlining around the world
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Speaker 16: still and the fact that he's refusing to apologize is
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Speaker 16: just disgraceful because he did say it, he did do it.
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Speaker 16: The vision is there, and what can you say? He's
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Speaker 16: an embarrassment to Australia.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm calling him Melvo sleazy Dan. I think that's
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Speaker 2: one part of the problem. The other is this ridiculous
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Speaker 2: defense by these women. I mean, I would not get
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Speaker 2: out there and defend the indefensible. Would no matter what
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Speaker 2: a Prime Minister's office woulded have threatened me with.
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Speaker 3: I just wouldn't have that against my name. So you
20:59
Speaker 3: know them and they are weak to do that.
21:03
Speaker 2: But I guess my biggest issue really with the whole
21:05
Speaker 2: thing is it's the trust deficit. You know, this bloke
21:09
Speaker 2: is a pathological liar. It's now part of the narrative
21:13
Speaker 2: Dan about him. And this I think is really rich
21:16
Speaker 2: territory for the opposition heading into an election because if
21:20
Speaker 2: you can't trust anything this bloke says, how on earth
21:23
Speaker 2: can he be re elected?
21:27
Speaker 15: Well, that's right.
21:28
Speaker 7: And I think also the point that you've made tonight
21:31
Speaker 7: and the other night was the hypocrisy of this all.
21:34
Speaker 7: I mean, just imagine if the shoe was on the
21:36
Speaker 7: other foot. Imagine if this was a center right political leader.
21:39
Speaker 7: Imagine this was Angus Taylor or Matt Canavan who made
21:42
Speaker 7: comments like this, you can imagine the reaction would be
21:45
Speaker 7: apocalyptic from the media and from labor and from the
21:48
Speaker 7: Green So the hypocrisy is something that frustrates me and
21:52
Speaker 7: frustrates many Australians in addition to the obvious gas lighting.
21:56
Speaker 15: I mean, this is what's so annoying.
21:57
Speaker 7: We are constantly told by a political leader is don't
22:01
Speaker 7: believe your own eyes. Whether it's to do with immigration,
22:03
Speaker 7: don't believe your own eyes, whether it's to do with
22:05
Speaker 7: living standards going backwards, don't believe your own eyes, or
22:08
Speaker 7: whether it's to do with the actual words and the
22:10
Speaker 7: actions that the Prime Minister said and the Prime Minister performed.
22:14
Speaker 7: Everybody knows what he was gesturing. Everybody know what he meant.
22:19
Speaker 7: Just fess up and apologize and move on. And the
22:22
Speaker 7: fact that he won't do that for me is the
22:24
Speaker 7: most frustrating and demeaning part of this whole episode.
22:29
Speaker 2: I know you've watched Dan very closely, all the numbers
22:32
Speaker 2: coming in from the ABS about migration. We've got a
22:35
Speaker 2: whole set of targets out there today. We got one
22:38
Speaker 2: in part from the Coalition, from the Housing shadow Andrew
22:42
Speaker 2: Bragg announcing net migration targets of around one hundred and
22:47
Speaker 2: eighty thousand people per year on average.
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Speaker 13: Have a listen, the shortfall between number of houses built
22:54
Speaker 13: and the number of people coming in is three fifty
22:58
Speaker 13: to four hundred thousand. That and so you need to
23:02
Speaker 13: have a non summary around one hundred and eighty thousand
23:04
Speaker 13: to bridge that gap over the fort estimates period.
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Speaker 4: Like that's just the range.
23:10
Speaker 3: Okay, so the non slides did it? That number?
23:12
Speaker 2: It's forty five thousand less than labor in the short
23:16
Speaker 2: term forecast. And let's not forget they've never met any
23:20
Speaker 2: of their forecasts. And it's one hundred and twenty thousand
23:24
Speaker 2: below what we saw in the actuals last year, Dan
23:29
Speaker 2: bitter meat on the bone bones here finally from the coalition,
23:33
Speaker 2: what do you make of it?
23:36
Speaker 7: Well, that number is way too high. One hundred and
23:38
Speaker 7: eighty thousand is way too high. We've had one point
23:40
Speaker 7: five million over the last few years.
23:43
Speaker 1: This is not good.
23:45
Speaker 7: And I don't know why Andrew Bragg is announcing policy
23:48
Speaker 7: that doesn't have approval. I mean I interpreted this as
23:51
Speaker 7: a direct threat, a direct challenge to Angus Taylor's leadership.
23:54
Speaker 1: Authority.
23:56
Speaker 7: Really, I think this is the first salvo in the
23:58
Speaker 7: next leadership spill against Angus Taylor. Why hasn't Angus Taylor
24:02
Speaker 7: clarified this, Why hasn't he slapped this down? Why hasn't
24:05
Speaker 7: Andrew Bragg being sent to the back bench for this?
24:07
Speaker 7: I mean this is insane. Who's running the party? Is
24:10
Speaker 7: Angus Taylor in charge or Andrew Bragg? I mean Andrew
24:13
Speaker 7: Brake himself said that this is not party policy and
24:17
Speaker 7: that no one else supports the number, So why is
24:19
Speaker 7: he putting a number out now? I get that he's
24:21
Speaker 7: housing shadow, and yes there's a nexus between housing and migration,
24:25
Speaker 7: and what Andrew Bragg said about housing was spot on,
24:27
Speaker 7: about cutting the red tape, about making sure we don't
24:30
Speaker 7: gold plate and so forth. But I don't understand why
24:33
Speaker 7: these numbers are being put out there if they're not
24:35
Speaker 7: official government, not official Liberal Party policy. It seems bizarre
24:40
Speaker 7: to me. So really, I think that Angus Taylor needs
24:43
Speaker 7: to get in control of this because if they're going
24:45
Speaker 7: to the next election with one hundred and eighty thousand
24:47
Speaker 7: and with a policy of multiculturalism, I can tell you
24:50
Speaker 7: what people are going to be taking off their blue
24:52
Speaker 7: shirts and been putting orange shirts on pretty soon because
24:54
Speaker 7: those numbers aren't going to cut it. We're not in
24:56
Speaker 7: the nineteen nineties anymore. We're not living in the Howard era.
24:59
Speaker 7: We need a dramatic, urgent, corrective action. Immigration is a
25:03
Speaker 7: national emergency. It's not just another policy. So I just
25:07
Speaker 7: think the Liberal Party needs to get in front of this,
25:09
Speaker 7: otherwise it's going to get away from them.
25:12
Speaker 2: Well, I've got Angus Taylor coming up. I'll ask him
25:14
Speaker 2: pretty much all of those questions you've just put out there.
25:16
Speaker 2: Right now, let's go to other issues. Work from home,
25:19
Speaker 2: of course, it's big everywhere. It's hitting housing, of housing, office, accommodation, caralee.
25:26
Speaker 2: Of course, in Melbourne we're told the equivalent of five
25:29
Speaker 2: mcgs will be left empty by public servants. In Victoria
25:34
Speaker 2: money paid for them though the rents paid on these buildings,
25:37
Speaker 2: and we are talking about one hundreds of millions of
25:40
Speaker 2: dollars wasted on empty public service offices and desks when
25:45
Speaker 2: people aren't even there. But it's pretty bad federally too.
25:49
Speaker 2: The Department of Home Affairs some thirty six percent of
25:53
Speaker 2: them work from home, and in the Health Department sixty
25:57
Speaker 2: one percent of that workforce work two or three, three
26:02
Speaker 2: or more days a week. It is from home currily
26:05
Speaker 2: any wonder the taxpayers are cranky.
26:10
Speaker 16: Well, and so they should be, I mean work flexibility,
26:12
Speaker 16: regardless of what your view may be on it.
26:14
Speaker 3: The fact that taxpayers are.
26:16
Speaker 16: Forking out for the Department of Home Affairs thirty six percent,
26:20
Speaker 16: as you said, are working from home.
26:22
Speaker 3: That's about three days a week.
26:24
Speaker 16: The taxpayer is forking out one hundred and fifteen million
26:27
Speaker 16: dollars in the last financial year. And at the Department
26:31
Speaker 16: of Home Affairs, sorry, Home Affairs is thirty six percent
26:34
Speaker 16: I'm sorry of working from home. That's a one hundred
26:36
Speaker 16: and fifteen million.
26:37
Speaker 15: But also at.
26:38
Speaker 16: Department of Health it's sixty one percent working from home.
26:41
Speaker 3: And that's fifty four million dollars a year.
26:44
Speaker 16: Regardless of whether it's ten extra dollars or one hundred,
26:47
Speaker 16: that is an enormous amount of money that taxpayers are
26:51
Speaker 16: just shelling out for these empty offices. And the money
26:54
Speaker 16: could be better spent in other areas as well.
26:57
Speaker 3: And it's not good. As I said, we've got in Victoria.
27:00
Speaker 2: Are you here?
27:00
Speaker 16: The Premier Ben Carroll, he has got a lot of arrogance,
27:03
Speaker 16: saying he's going to pause his work from home legislation
27:06
Speaker 16: until July next year. Is not on track to win
27:09
Speaker 16: this state election in November, but all it's working from home.
27:13
Speaker 3: You can't have both.
27:14
Speaker 16: You can't have the taxpayers shelling out for these empty
27:17
Speaker 16: offices when people want the work flexibility because every taxpayer
27:20
Speaker 16: dollars spent has to be accounted for responsibly, and it's
27:25
Speaker 16: not been.
27:27
Speaker 3: Dan just quickly.
27:28
Speaker 2: The reform to the Upper House voting ticket in Victoria.
27:33
Speaker 2: It's been a long time coming. This is a really
27:36
Speaker 2: good thing.
27:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, it could be.
27:42
Speaker 7: It depends on how it plays out. I mean, I'm
27:43
Speaker 7: always a bit concerned about something that could potentially limit
27:46
Speaker 7: the ability of other parties to get into the system.
27:49
Speaker 7: We know there's a lot of frustration with the two
27:51
Speaker 7: major parties as it is, So you know, something that
27:55
Speaker 7: can limit the ability of third parties or independence to
27:58
Speaker 7: get in I think should be treated pretty Some of these.
28:01
Speaker 2: Have got they've got Sorry, we've got a bit of
28:04
Speaker 2: a delay. It's hard to just jump in on that point.
28:06
Speaker 2: But we're talking about some really micro parties with you know,
28:10
Speaker 2: one or two hundred, one hundred votes.
28:14
Speaker 7: Yeah, that is that is true, And you know there
28:17
Speaker 7: is an issue with the never ending ballot and how
28:19
Speaker 7: many people are on it, But I'd hate to think.
28:21
Speaker 7: I mean, we've got some good people in there, like
28:22
Speaker 7: David Lindbrick. I'd hate to think that someone like him
28:25
Speaker 7: might get rubbed out or not get reelected because of this.
28:28
Speaker 1: So I don't know.
28:29
Speaker 7: I'm a little bit skeptical of when the major parties
28:31
Speaker 7: support changes of this nature.
28:35
Speaker 3: Oh, I like it.
28:35
Speaker 2: I like to see some of the rap bags to Coventry,
28:38
Speaker 2: but we'll agree to disagree on that one.
28:41
Speaker 3: Thank you to you both.
28:42
Speaker 1: All.
28:42
Speaker 3: Right, after the break, we'll get more.
28:43
Speaker 2: On the opposition's plan on high migration and those comments
28:48
Speaker 2: from Anthony Elbow sleazy not going away. We'll get to
28:51
Speaker 2: those as well. Angus Taylor coming up, welcome back, coming up.
28:59
Speaker 2: You won't believe how much you're set to foot out
29:02
Speaker 2: as a bailout for the Tommigo smelter. Upwards of one
29:07
Speaker 2: billion dollars to be announced by the Prime Minister and
29:10
Speaker 2: Chris Mint tomorrow. But now to the issue that won't
29:13
Speaker 2: go away for the Prime Minister. There's calls mount for
29:16
Speaker 2: him to make a formal and personal apology to the
29:19
Speaker 2: Japanese Prime Minister following that tasteless melon's jibe here to discuss.
29:24
Speaker 3: This and more.
29:25
Speaker 2: We'll get into migration of course too. Opposition Leader Angus
29:27
Speaker 2: Taylor and Gus welcome to the program. I think Greg
29:31
Speaker 2: Sheridan summed it up best in his piece in The
29:32
Speaker 2: Australian Today.
29:33
Speaker 3: He said it it takes.
29:35
Speaker 2: A special kind of high class, refined stupidity not available
29:40
Speaker 2: to normal people for an Australian Prime Minister to choose
29:43
Speaker 2: to make crude jokes about a female Japanese prime minister. Okay,
29:48
Speaker 2: everyone makes mistakes. Why doesn't this bloke, our Prime minister,
29:52
Speaker 2: ever own up to a mistake and apologize when it
29:55
Speaker 2: gets something wrong.
30:00
Speaker 4: You're absolutely right, Peter. This was completely tasteless. It was
30:03
Speaker 4: beneath the office of Prime Minister to make these comments. Well,
30:07
Speaker 4: you're right, people make mistakes. But four times in question
30:12
Speaker 4: time in the last two days we've offered him the
30:15
Speaker 4: opportunity to apologize to the Japanese Prime minister. Four times
30:20
Speaker 4: he's chosen not to. Now, Peter, this was the Prime
30:23
Speaker 4: minister who said, before becoming Prime minister, when he made
30:28
Speaker 4: a mistake he would fess up. He said that straight.
30:31
Speaker 4: He's never done it. I've never heard him do it, Peter.
30:34
Speaker 4: He certainly hasn't done it in this instance. And this
30:37
Speaker 4: is a serious situation because our relationship with Japan, of course,
30:42
Speaker 4: is incredibly important at a time, a more dangerous time
30:46
Speaker 4: in the Asia Pacific than any time since the Second
30:49
Speaker 4: World War. And yet he's putting that relationship at risk
30:53
Speaker 4: and behaving this way. This is a guy who can't
30:56
Speaker 4: lie straight in bed at night and can't be honest
31:00
Speaker 4: with the Australian people. But he also can't apologize when
31:04
Speaker 4: he makes a clear error.
31:07
Speaker 2: We had some serious questions a little while ago about
31:10
Speaker 2: the Isis brides and about the Islamic state men, the
31:14
Speaker 2: Australian men. There's thirteen of them in the prison in Iraq.
31:18
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister went to ground. I can't remember the
31:21
Speaker 2: last time he gave a serious economic speech, but he
31:24
Speaker 2: can find time for these podcasters that wasn't even live.
31:28
Speaker 2: I mean, he could have declined to answer those questions
31:30
Speaker 2: about Kylie Minogue. He could have sat on his hands
31:33
Speaker 2: and you know, not done the melon thing whatever. But
31:36
Speaker 2: even if it had been put in the can, he
31:39
Speaker 2: could have not let it run like he chose to
31:42
Speaker 2: put himself on these platforms.
31:45
Speaker 3: Why can't we get a.
31:45
Speaker 2: Serious prime minister in these really serious times?
31:51
Speaker 4: Well, you're right, I mean Australians are hurting. You hear
31:54
Speaker 4: it all the time. I hear it all the time.
31:56
Speaker 4: I've been out over the last five weeks or so
32:00
Speaker 4: what's called the window recess. I've spoken to around twelve
32:02
Speaker 4: hundred businesses. I've taken spoken of thousands of Australians. And
32:06
Speaker 4: I see anger, I see grief, I see frustration. I
32:10
Speaker 4: see businesses failing at thirty a day, family businesses, small
32:15
Speaker 4: businesses where the hopes are going up in smoke. Families
32:19
Speaker 4: who can't make ends meet, they can't pay their power bills,
32:21
Speaker 4: they can't pay the mortgage. And yet this Prime Minister
32:26
Speaker 4: is carrying on in the way he does. He can't
32:29
Speaker 4: be straight to the Australian people. He lied fifty times
32:32
Speaker 4: in his own words about negative gearing and capital gains tax,
32:37
Speaker 4: and now he can't fess up when he's made a
32:39
Speaker 4: very clear error. And just listening to him in question time,
32:42
Speaker 4: I mean it's a hard place to be sitting in
32:45
Speaker 4: the opposition having to listen to this stuff. But the
32:48
Speaker 4: complete unwillingness time and time and time again to do
32:53
Speaker 4: what is very obviously he just has to say sorry.
32:55
Speaker 4: He just has to say sorry.
32:59
Speaker 3: I'll come to my in a moment.
33:00
Speaker 2: But I listened to Question Time today and you've really
33:03
Speaker 2: got on the attack about the government's decision to cut
33:07
Speaker 2: support for people over the age of sixty five to
33:10
Speaker 2: hang on to their private health insurance. It's been repeatedly
33:13
Speaker 2: raised with me on the program. I have raised it here.
33:16
Speaker 2: I've got a huge response from viewers. People say to me,
33:21
Speaker 2: I am down to two meals a day, I am
33:23
Speaker 2: cutting back on everything I can. The last thing I
33:26
Speaker 2: want to give up and I'm on a modest income.
33:28
Speaker 2: They say, the last thing I want to give up
33:30
Speaker 2: is my private health insurance.
33:32
Speaker 3: It won't hurt the rich angers.
33:34
Speaker 2: This is going to hurt people, labor, people on modest incomes.
33:38
Speaker 2: Why is the government going after seniors like this?
33:44
Speaker 4: Well, because when labor runs out of money, they come
33:47
Speaker 4: after yours. This is a government that is prepared to
33:50
Speaker 4: give welfare and home deposit support for non citizens and
33:56
Speaker 4: yet it's slashing support for private health insurance for Australians
34:00
Speaker 4: over the age of sixty five. And the facts are
34:03
Speaker 4: important here, Peter. This will be a sixteen hundred dollars
34:08
Speaker 4: hit to a typical older Australian over the age of
34:11
Speaker 4: sixty five. The ones will copy the most those over
34:15
Speaker 4: the age of seventy. And this is at a time
34:20
Speaker 4: of course in your life when you really rely on
34:23
Speaker 4: good health insurance and good health services. What we will see,
34:27
Speaker 4: and we expect we've seen modeling to say that forty
34:30
Speaker 4: percent of people will drop their coverage and that means
34:34
Speaker 4: they will go into queues and weight lists in the
34:37
Speaker 4: public system and put more pressure on that public system.
34:41
Speaker 4: Increase the weight lists, increase ambulance ramping, put more pressure
34:45
Speaker 4: on the public system, which ultimately will have to be
34:48
Speaker 4: paid for by US as state tax players. So, frankly,
34:52
Speaker 4: this is bad policy, It's bad for older Australians and
34:56
Speaker 4: it is made necessary because labor can't control bending.
35:02
Speaker 2: Let's go to housing. We know a big part of
35:04
Speaker 2: that obviously is migration. Your housing spokesman Andrew Bragg was
35:08
Speaker 2: out there today outlining a range for a migration target.
35:12
Speaker 2: He said around the range of one hundred and eighty
35:15
Speaker 2: thousand a year. He did say it wasn't finalized policy.
35:20
Speaker 2: He did say some don't agree with it. You're the
35:23
Speaker 2: boss what's the official answer from the coalition.
35:28
Speaker 4: Well, the official answer is we've got housing in freefall
35:31
Speaker 4: in this country right now. We've seen a collapse in
35:35
Speaker 4: the housing marketing confidence because of Labour's toxic taxes they've
35:40
Speaker 4: introduced in the budget, and we will cap migration based
35:45
Speaker 4: on housing supply. Now, I am deeply fearful that we're
35:49
Speaker 4: going to see a freefall in the number of houses
35:52
Speaker 4: being built in this country, a collapse in the number
35:54
Speaker 4: of houses built in this country. It's already low. It's
35:56
Speaker 4: down at around one hundred and seventy thousand a year,
35:59
Speaker 4: well below where it was when we were in government, Peter,
36:02
Speaker 4: but I think there's a real prospect that it's going
36:04
Speaker 4: to go far lower than that. Migration must be capped
36:08
Speaker 4: based on the number of houses we've got in this country.
36:11
Speaker 4: That's the mistake, I guess.
36:12
Speaker 3: But you've got to have a number.
36:13
Speaker 4: Far more people in well, and the number on the
36:18
Speaker 4: number of houses we get built. We know that, and
36:20
Speaker 4: I can tell you this, Peter, and I've said this
36:22
Speaker 4: to you before. It will be well below one hundred
36:24
Speaker 4: and eighty thousand. It will be a number that will
36:26
Speaker 4: be real. I'll tell you Labour's targets. They've never met them.
36:30
Speaker 4: They've always come over. No I know that or other
36:32
Speaker 4: adversary one nation. They don't know the difference between tatl
36:36
Speaker 4: migration and permanent migration, so no one knows what their
36:38
Speaker 4: number is. The number will be right, will be capped
36:42
Speaker 4: based on the number of houses available. It will be
36:44
Speaker 4: well below two hundred thousand. I fear it will. We
36:47
Speaker 4: have to be substantially below that because of the collapse
36:50
Speaker 4: we're seeing in housing supply and housing construction in this
36:53
Speaker 4: country right now.
36:55
Speaker 2: Okay, at the top of the show, I showed how
36:57
Speaker 2: the trend has been improving for for you ever since
37:01
Speaker 2: the move away from Susan Lee. And I have said
37:03
Speaker 2: here repeatedly Angus, that you are mopping up a mess
37:06
Speaker 2: that began under Angus Taylor a decade ago. Right, so
37:10
Speaker 2: you've made some inroads. But one of the things that
37:13
Speaker 2: killed Susan Lee, Peter Dunton, to be fair Scott Morrison
37:16
Speaker 2: as well was policy inertia. We need to have more
37:20
Speaker 2: detail out there to debate and to work through so
37:23
Speaker 2: we can see the color of your money. In Australians
37:26
Speaker 2: know with confidence that if they vote for you, they
37:29
Speaker 2: are going to get change. When is it going to happen?
37:35
Speaker 4: Well, Peter, you can all read our plan, which has
37:38
Speaker 4: still got more to do, but it's already out there.
37:41
Speaker 4: There's a lot in this that IH laid out through
37:45
Speaker 4: the course of the budget and reply and then we
37:47
Speaker 4: published this just about four weeks ago. And our plan
37:50
Speaker 4: is to ax Labour's toxic taxes and to bring down
37:53
Speaker 4: income taxes, to get rid of the red tape that's
37:56
Speaker 4: making it too hard to build houses, to run businesses
37:58
Speaker 4: in this country, grap net zero, and make sure we
38:02
Speaker 4: use our natural resources in this country. To get energy
38:05
Speaker 4: costs down, get rid of those energy taxes that have
38:08
Speaker 4: been built into the economy everywhere you go in vehicles,
38:10
Speaker 4: in industry and the electricity grid. Cap migration based on
38:15
Speaker 4: our housing supply, but get our housing supply up, and
38:19
Speaker 4: we've laid our policies here to do that. Putting Australians first,
38:23
Speaker 4: to Peter, and that means that welfare program seventeen different
38:27
Speaker 4: welfare programs should be restricted to Australian citizens. The NDIS
38:31
Speaker 4: should be restricted to Australian citizens. And we have to
38:35
Speaker 4: make sure that our warfighters, our defense force is properly
38:38
Speaker 4: funded in this country. Now that and many other policies
38:41
Speaker 4: are already laid out. We know there's more to do
38:44
Speaker 4: as well, Peter, but that is, as you know, at
38:47
Speaker 4: this stage of the election cycle, a serious plan with
38:51
Speaker 4: a serious team to deliver that plan. And I encourage
38:54
Speaker 4: your viewers to have a root of this plan. You
38:57
Speaker 4: can find it online.
38:59
Speaker 2: I guess, I promise you they are all over it.
39:02
Speaker 2: You are a good man, but I think a few
39:03
Speaker 2: of his shadows to toe up the backside to get
39:06
Speaker 2: them moving. I'll leave it there, thank you. All right, Well,
39:09
Speaker 2: I have a look at the de radicalization programs. They
39:12
Speaker 2: were raised in the Royal Commission. A lot of people
39:15
Speaker 2: concerned that there are no audits going on.
39:18
Speaker 3: You don't know much.
39:19
Speaker 2: About the efficacy of these programs. The panel up next,
39:29
Speaker 2: welcome back more flags tomorrow night. I hope you notice
39:31
Speaker 2: there behind Angus Taylor there were two flags, but two
39:35
Speaker 2: Australian national flags, I might add, I said two. The
39:38
Speaker 2: problems go back ten years beyond actually back to the
39:42
Speaker 2: time of Malcolm Turnbull. I think I might have seen
39:45
Speaker 2: Augus Taylor. I meant Malcolm Turnbull. That's where the rot
39:48
Speaker 2: started for the coalition. Now to other issues, though the
39:51
Speaker 2: increasing concerns being aired in the Royal Commission into Anti
39:55
Speaker 2: Semitism and the massacre at Bondai regarding Australian d radialization programs,
40:01
Speaker 2: claims that the schemes are flawed and have created a
40:05
Speaker 2: false sense of security. I've been saying that for a
40:08
Speaker 2: long time. Finally now that's in evidence at the Royal Commission.
40:12
Speaker 3: Joined me now my panel.
40:13
Speaker 2: Senior fellow at the Mensis Research Center, Nikator, and Liberal
40:16
Speaker 2: MP the Barnstorming Phil Thompson. Well reports out of the
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Speaker 2: Royal Commission, as I say, reports that one of the
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Speaker 2: programs in particular discussed in evidence has not even been
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Speaker 2: reviewed in six years now, Nick, we are spending some
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Speaker 2: one hundred and forty billion dollars on these programs. We've
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Speaker 2: got some three hundred would be terrorists in them. How
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Speaker 2: on earth are we not auditing them?
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Speaker 12: Well, unfortunately, Peter. I think the history of terrorism is
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Speaker 12: that measures to combat terrorism are often reactive. You know
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Speaker 12: the measures that we brought in after nine to eleven,
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Speaker 12: even before that, after the Locker a disaster which highlighted
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Speaker 12: those problems with aircraft security, and we've done it again, right,
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Speaker 12: But I think this BONDI experience and what's being exposed
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Speaker 12: at the Royal Commission being exposed elsewhere show. So we've
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Speaker 12: got to wake up very very quickly to this problem
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Speaker 12: of radicalization.
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Speaker 1: We're not dealing with it.
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Speaker 12: We've become complacent, and yet the threat grows day by
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Speaker 12: day as the number of people on that radical list grows.
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Speaker 1: We've got to wake up to it.
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Speaker 12: I just hope that this government can rise above it's
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Speaker 12: a performance elsewhere, let's say, and actually get serious about this,
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Speaker 12: because there's no more important duty of an in government
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Speaker 12: than to protect its people.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting, Phil, you know a CEO has been handed
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Speaker 2: special power, secret powers to investigate universities who have research
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Speaker 2: ties with hostile nations. Now, i'd want to hope they're
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Speaker 2: getting resources as.
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Speaker 3: Well as just laws.
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Speaker 2: And I also want to see, as I just discussed,
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Speaker 2: there some audits of these drad programs. I am not
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Speaker 2: convinced they will keep us safe.
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Speaker 17: Well, even with the deradicalization programs, we know that not
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Speaker 17: all of them are mandatory, which I think can be
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Speaker 17: a massive is a massive problem. I want to know
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Speaker 17: exactly how many people have gone through and what's actually
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Speaker 17: happened where these people are located, these deradicalization training or
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Speaker 17: what they go through. Do they work, We're not looking
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Speaker 17: at it. Six years is far too long. On the
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Speaker 17: university side, we've got in what world does a university
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Speaker 17: think it's appropriate to do business or operate with foreign
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Speaker 17: agencies or foreign governments and do research or have drone
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Speaker 17: kind of researchers doing stuff for foreign governments or to
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Speaker 17: foreign bodies.
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Speaker 4: Like that's crazy, Like I can't.
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Speaker 17: Believe that was even occurring, let alone the need for
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Speaker 17: ASIO to be able to make sure not just have
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Speaker 17: the powers to monitor or look at, but actually stop.
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Speaker 17: I also want to make sure that what AZIO is doing,
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Speaker 17: they have to come back and report to say the
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Speaker 17: Intelligence Committee on exactly what's going on the day for
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Speaker 17: no more scrutinies over We need to be making sure
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Speaker 17: that there is oversight for everyone.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the Tommago announcement due tomorrow, the PEAM
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Speaker 2: and the New South Wales Premier. We'll spend one billion
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Speaker 2: dollars of taxpayer money. They'll hand it across to Rio
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Speaker 2: Tinto to keep the smelter operating. Now, the only reason
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Speaker 2: Nick they're doing this is because we've gone down the
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Speaker 2: path of renewable so hard and so fast that we're
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Speaker 2: sending industry in this country up against the wall often overseas.
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Speaker 2: We can't afford to lose this smelter. They can't make
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Speaker 2: ends meet because of the cost of our energy now,
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Speaker 2: so we're bailing them out.
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Speaker 12: This is carbon tax by stealth, isn't it, Peter. This
43:52
Speaker 12: is a cost of billion dollars reportedly that every taxpayer
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Speaker 12: in this country is going to have to contribute towards,
43:59
Speaker 12: or it goes on the debt for future tax payers
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Speaker 12: to share the burden just because of this crazy, nonsensical, ludicrous,
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Speaker 12: engineeringly ignorant energy plan that this government has introduced.
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Speaker 1: We're all paying the cost for that.
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Speaker 12: And no doubt there'll be some triumphant press conference tomorrow,
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Speaker 12: how wonderful they've done to bail out tom Ago. You
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Speaker 12: shouldn't have to bail out Tomogo if the fundamentals are right.
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Speaker 2: Let's go back to those reports. I spoke about them
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Speaker 2: on Monday and Tuesday. They're in the Australian. If I
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Speaker 2: can feel reference that half a million dollars spent on
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Speaker 2: three primarily three Muslim related entities, media entities paid for,
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Speaker 2: as I say, by Canberra, and these outlets have been
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Speaker 2: accused of promoting extremist voices, anti Semitic, conspiracy theories, pro
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Speaker 2: terrorist content. Some of them have luded Hesbala killers and
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Speaker 2: other things. Now, now, why on earth is this happening.
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Speaker 17: It should happening the govern The government has failed. There
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Speaker 17: should be no money going to any group, especially media
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Speaker 17: outlets that promote terrorist activity. They should be stripped of funding,
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Speaker 17: stripped of the ability to even operate within Australia. But
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Speaker 17: this is a classic labor government. What they do. They
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Speaker 17: take their eye off the ball. It's really shameful that
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Speaker 17: this is occurring in our nation. And these groups should
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Speaker 17: be fined, not given money.
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Speaker 2: And we're cutting the supports for pensioners to keep there
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Speaker 2: or not just pensioners, anyone out the age of sixty five,
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Speaker 2: to keep the private health insurance if you can believe it.
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Speaker 2: Nikata phel Thompson, thank you to you both. All right,
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Speaker 2: quick break after the break the wonderful Kel. He's wonderful
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Speaker 2: as any and he joins me. On Wednesday, we're Smith
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Speaker 2: and broadcast Kel Richards question without notice on this one.
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Speaker 2: Before we get into some of the words from viewers,
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Speaker 2: Kel Census we've had a census this week. Is the
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Speaker 2: plural censuses? Since I I'm intrigued.
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Speaker 18: Okay, No, we pluralize it the way we normally pluralize
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Speaker 18: English words. It's censuses. I know that's awkward because it's
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Speaker 18: all those sibil and sounds together, but Latin plurals are
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Speaker 18: wrong in English. Don't use Latin plurals in English. We're
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Speaker 18: speaking English. And even if it's a bit awkward, it's censuses.
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Speaker 3: Censuses. There we go up. Learn something.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Brendan wants to know the origins for the phrase
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Speaker 2: skid row.
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Speaker 18: Well, this is interesting. Brendan suggests it might be connected
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Speaker 18: with skid road road, which happened in timber growing areas,
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Speaker 18: and it did. Every timber growing area had a skid road,
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Speaker 18: a mud road that logs that have been filled were
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Speaker 18: dragged down, and often the poor workers lived in huts
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Speaker 18: beside the skid road, and that may have played a
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Speaker 18: part in it. But the linguists tell me the most
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Speaker 18: likely source of this is that people who lived on
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Speaker 18: skid row, the poorest part of any town, they were
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Speaker 18: on the skids, that is, their life was going down,
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Speaker 18: It was not on the up. A that's probably the
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Speaker 18: main source of the expression.
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Speaker 2: All right, I do like this next one coming up. Warren,
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Speaker 2: like Petticrelyn, wants to understand where we got higgeley pickley from.
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Speaker 18: Actually a long time ago, it's about five hundred years old.
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Speaker 18: And the Oxford says, it's what's called a rhyming reduplication.
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Speaker 18: We've got lots of these sort of rhyming re duplications,
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Speaker 18: hanky panky, and lots and lots of them, and the
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Speaker 18: English language likes them. And then the Oxford says, of
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Speaker 18: obscure origin. But they make the suggestion that it might
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Speaker 18: have been what they call a vocal gesture, and by
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Speaker 18: that they mean a word in which the sounds are
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Speaker 18: trying to suggest what they're naming. And Higgeldy pickoldy gets
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Speaker 18: fairly good at doing that, doesn't it?
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Speaker 3: It does?
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Speaker 2: What about beyond the pale? Blinda says, where's that one
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Speaker 2: come from?
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Speaker 4: Okay?
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Speaker 18: Originally the word pale met a wooden steak driven in
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Speaker 18: the ground, and a row of those wooden steaks in
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Speaker 18: the ground made a wooden fence. We get our word
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Speaker 18: pole from the same source, the same ancient Latin word,
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Speaker 18: so pale poll that sort of thing and the idea
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Speaker 18: of that sort of wooden fences. Will we get our
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Speaker 18: paling fences from now? In the medieval era, around the
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Speaker 18: medieval towns, there was a demarcation which was called the pale,
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Speaker 18: beyond which the law of the town did not run.
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Speaker 18: So it was the limits of civilization. So if you
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Speaker 18: are beyond the pale, if your behavior is unacceptable, you
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Speaker 18: have passed the limits of civilization.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think the Prime Minister might have got their
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Speaker 2: closer on his melon stuff appropriate on.
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Speaker 1: The other side.
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Speaker 18: He's on the other side.
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Speaker 3: We'll be talking about that next week. We'll come back
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Speaker 3: to that.
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Speaker 2: I've want sexism and misogyny, what's the difference.
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Speaker 3: We'll do that next week. I'll leave it there, Thank you, kel.
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Speaker 3: That's it for me. See you tomorrow night. He's Andrew