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The Truth about the Bachman Collection · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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As part of Ferrari Fridays, William Ross from the Exotic Car Marketplace will
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be discussing all things Ferrari and interviewing people that live and breathe.
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The Ferrari brand topics range from road cars to racing drivers to owners,
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as well as auctions, private sales and trends in the collector market.
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Welcome to the Ferrari Marketplace Podcast.
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I have my, uh, good friend here, Mr. Chris Meley from the Prancing horse
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in Nashville, who hopefully, maybe we can, uh, coax a little bit more to
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be on here more consistently because, you know, he's wealth of information.
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Today we are going to discuss the Meko Kissy Auction, specifically
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the Bachman collection.
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Maybe touch a little bit on the GTO.
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Chris was very integral in bringing the collection and the GTO to Mecu
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to have them cross the block there, and so he knows 'em very well.
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But there's some things we wanna kind of clear the air about after the fact
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as being kind of thrown out all over the social media and what you wanna call it.
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But then also, I got asked a question there a couple times when I was leaving
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from people asking, well, why so much?
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Everything like that.
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Specific reasons why.
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Honestly, you can see where that was.
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I don't wanna say outlier, but it justified it because armed Sotheby's
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had their sale out in, uh, Arizona today and some of the cars that
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were in there, you can see now.
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Okay, there we go.
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That's where the market should be at.
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Just that the ones in the Bachman collection, you know, they're
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very, very special cars and I, I guess we could jump right outta the
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gate and start with the end zone.
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Yeah, the Enzo's a real special car, obviously, because you know, it had
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so many different special features.
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Obviously it was one of the yellow cars and there wasn't that many yellow cars.
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Uh, I don't have to count in front of me right now, but I wanna say it was 11 cars.
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We did the research on it.
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I'm just trying to go through 48 cars.
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In my head, but, but uh, yeah, I mean it was a neat car.
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Obviously a lot of people, you know, they first saw the car, they saw it
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with the red seats that were in there with the yellow Daytona stripes, and
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then they said, oh, well, you know, I'm not really sure about the inside.
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You know, they've always made, you know, some sort of analogy about
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McDonald's that was always coming up and what was going on with the interior.
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But Phil had a vision, you know, Phil said, Hey, look, let's go ahead and
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let's do something outside the box.
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The first color combo that was like, that was on the five 50 Porchetta.
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So he started that back in oh one a few years or earlier.
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He did, you know, on the 3, 5, 5 fiorano he did the yellow and blue.
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So he either was going at that point, yellow and blue, or yellow
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and red, and the exterior was obviously yellow was a must, and
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then he would go ahead and modify.
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But like on that particular car, on the end zone in particular, you know
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the uprights in the engine compartment, there's those two upright supports
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that go in the engine compartment.
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They were both polished.
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There was.
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Certain bits inside the engine compartment that are normally just matte carbon.
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His were glossed over and clear coated and they were polished.
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You had the Enzo Ferrari signature on the rear deck lid.
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You had the lowers on the car, meaning the lower trim going all the way
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around, including the rear diffuser painted in yellow from the factory.
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The car came off the assembly line with the black seats.
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There's photos of the car and if you looked at the videos that we made and
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we, we were running them, there was some photos of Phil working on the car
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and we had all the additional photos and it shows the car coming off the
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assembly line with the yellow seats.
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But Phil wanted the red ones, so the red ones just weren't ready.
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And before he picked up the car, 'cause he went back to go ahead and
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take delivery of the car in Europe.
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He went back and then the red seats were installed at the factory.
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So the car left the factory with the, uh, red seats, but the car came off
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the assembly line with the black seats.
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So the car came with two sets of seats, which was, you know, super unique.
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The other thing was just the little other stuff that was in there, some
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of the other pads on the doors and on the passenger side there was a
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split, so you had the yellow leather.
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That was the only car I've ever seen like that.
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The only other car I saw that was really, really unique, but it
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wasn't obviously on Phil's, was um.
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Jean Tots and Schumacher's car.
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You know, there was two or three cars that had power windows in them,
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and that obviously was designed just on a couple of the cars, but
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those car was a super unique car.
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You didn't have the power windows, but he had everything else on it.
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Super low miles.
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So yeah, that's why the car is, you know, we always say in the auto industry
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it did a moonshot and we knew it was gonna go ahead and do a big number,
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but when you get two guys, they're going at it and you know the deal.
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Once their ego gets behind, you know they're bidding,
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then it becomes an ego battle.
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Either one of them is saying, Hey look, I'm not gonna lose.
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I know I'm probably overpaying for the car, but I'm not giving up.
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And you know, it started to run because the car started to stall out
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somewhere around 12 million, and I was standing up on the block next to Dana.
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You know, we're looking at the board and we're saying, okay, you know, I
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think it's starting to slow down, but the auctioneer did an amazing job.
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Yeah.
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He was still working it and then it started to pick up again.
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And then it started to really jump.
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I think they were going by $250,000 bumps and before, you know, it
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just started going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.
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And then I look back up and within, it seemed like a minute,
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we were at 16 million plus.
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So now I'm like, okay.
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And you're looking around and you're, and, and I'm, I'm on the block and
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I'm looking around, I'm looking left and looking right, and I'm saying, am
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I the only one who was like watching, like, it was almost like surreal on
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that car because it was the highest one outta the whole collection.
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Out of all 46 Ferraris, it was car that obviously did the most, and candidly,
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before that we knew it was gonna be there.
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We were almost thinking that the F 50 might outpace it after seeing the
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Ralph Lauren car at Pebble Beach.
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Yeah, so that car, you know, it was yellow, was one of the two yellow
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cars, but the flip side was, it had some miles on it, but it was yellow
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and it had, you know, the provenance of Ralph Lauren that owned the car.
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Whereas on this car it was single owner car.
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You're saying to yourself, okay, we got a single owner car and it's
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super, super unique, and you're getting ready to see the car.
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You know, you, you know, you're, it's gonna take off the, the
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numbers were really, really high.
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You know, when we came to the F 50, we kind of knew that it was gonna
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do somewhere in that neighborhood.
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Again, it started to go back and forth between two guys.
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Again, it ran up quite quickly, but 251 miles.
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Okay, so go find one.
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The only other one that I knew of, I saw, I sold, when I worked for Roger Penske,
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I sold Roger Penske's car, and it's actually right down the road from here.
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The ex Penske car is with Dr.
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Rick Workman.
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So he actually has that car.
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Oh yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
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And, and he has some miles on it now, but like, you know, I sold
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it, I think it had 300 miles.
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Now it has somewhere around, I wanna say 600 miles.
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But, you know, we sold that car in 2009, and I wanna say
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that we sold it for $975,000.
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And that was a huge number after the collapse of everything that happened.
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Yeah.
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In, uh, late oh eight.
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So that was really a big number, and it came with all really cool stuff.
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The letters from Roger and back and forth with, you know, Montelo.
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And it just, it had some great, I said the, the provenance.
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On the car is what drives it.
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When you look at like the Bachman collection, and when you look
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at certain other cars, I always say it goes in this order.
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I mean, not exactly in this order, but these are the
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contributing factors that play in.
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You're gonna have the car itself, obviously, you're gonna have color.
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Mileage options.
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If the cars, you know, paint a sample or something that's really unique,
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which a lot of the Bachman cars were okay, so now you have a unicorn and
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then you're gonna look at mileage.
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The Bachman cars had like, on the most part, super low mileage.
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And then you have what I call the intangible.
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Is it the last one?
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Was it the first one?
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Is it the last one that was delivered in the us?
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Is it one of the very last cars and there's always
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people that just run for that.
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There was a lot of people that said to me, well, why did the F
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40, the two F forties, why did the one F 40 do so much more money?
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And when the mileage difference between the car was roughly about 400 miles,
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both 1990 twos, one was delivered in Italy, one was delivered in the us.
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Well, the Italian car.
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To go ahead and get those EE plates that were on that car, you have to go
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ahead and get what they call in Italy, the COC, and if you get the COC, you
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have to have an engine plate inside the engine compartment on the frame.
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Whereas US cars, we have it in the door jamb.
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That's the only F 40 that I know of, and I checked with the guys at the
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factory and everyone else agreed with me.
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It was the only one that had two VIN plates.
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So when have you ever seen two VIN plates in a car?
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You know, there was people that were doing their inspections and they were like.
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Totally flustered about it, you know, but we, we, we knew about
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it because we did the inspections.
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You know, we went out there and we did the inspections.
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It was myself, Emiliano, and Marco.
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Marco and Emiliano both worked at the Ferrari factory for over 20 years.
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Both of them, you know, they had either one of them worked on the assembly
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line for many years, and then they eventually went on in em case Emiliano
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went to the experimental department.
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And then he was involved with Ferrari Classic K. It was
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the same thing with Marco.
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Marco obviously came from the production side, and then he went on the after
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sales side on the service business, and then eventually made his way back to
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classic K and was in charge of Ferrari Classic K, and they worked together.
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So they knew exactly, you know what to look for.
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They were, you know, Emiliano was, he was the boss on the assembly line.
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You know, whether it was the eighth cylinder or the 12th cylinder line.
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Marco was, you know, similar.
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They worked their way up.
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He worked on the 2 88 and Emiliano was in charge of everything else.
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When you go through all that stuff, you know, you get a chance to see all that.
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You know, to your point, first last producer, that there's gentlemen,
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individuals, they collect first, last, everything like that.
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So it fits into their collection.
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But one owner, I mean, again, find another one.
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Especially those because like, you know, f fifties Enzos, F forties, I mean there's
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always usually a long chain of owners, at least a two or three on those for sure.
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But trying to, yeah, and then, so we're trying to find that single or stuff.
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I mean, it was very interesting to see.
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Question though, 'cause I know you know the gentleman very well.
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Did Ian have a little bit of seller's remorse?
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No.
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You know what's funny, Ian?
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You know, we, we arranged a dinner.
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Ian's a good friend of mine, so we had a dinner for all the people.
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So we had all the Italians, even Luca Zanetti, who was the current president
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and CEO, Ferrari, north America.
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He came in, he had to leave.
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He couldn't make it to the auction, but it was kind of like a hit and run.
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He came in and he was there.
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We had a dinner at Ian's house and you know, we were all chatting
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and Ian has quite the collection.
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Yeah.
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La Ferrari.
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LA Ferrari, APTA 4 58, especiali, apta.
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He's got some really, really cool stuff and not a huge collection,
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you know, talking about, you know, maybe a dozen cars, but.
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Great stuff.
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Two 80 HGTO 2 75 gtb.
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Four four cam.
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Just great stuff.
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Ian's a good, you know, they're mates, you know Ian and Tom Hartley Jr.
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Yeah.
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And they put together an event every year that they do.
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And it's, uh, you know, Zach Brown goes on at all kinds of, guys
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go on this event that they do.
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It's a really cool event because look, at the end of the day, regardless of what car
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company you work for, or car guys, right?
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Yeah, exactly.
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You know, we all love cars and, and, and there's that
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camaraderie between all of us.
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So it was good.
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You know, we were all together and I had all the guys there from Ferrari.
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I had a few other guests that were there, some clients, good friends, what have you.
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Everybody loved it, you know, it was fun to get everybody primed up.
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So I said, Ian, are you gonna come to the auction?
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And Ian's like, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be there.
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He said, I'm gonna go ahead and bring Joshua's son.
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And we went over there and you know, it was awesome.
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He had another friend of his, with him.
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It was good, you know, we were all there and Ian sold the car.
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Funny story about the car.
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Not everybody knows the story.
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We kind of talked about it and it's kind of been brushed over,
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but the real story is this.
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Phil Bachman went to the factory in in 1995, so he went, he
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was invited to see the car.
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They showed him the car before they unveiled it in Geneva in 1995.
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The F 50.
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He went to the factory.
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He was coming back to do some configuration.
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So it was a few months after that.
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I think Geneva was in March, so it might have been May or June.
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It was a little warm out.
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Phil showed up.
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He got there a little early.
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He used to stay at the Hotel Marella Palace or one of the
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other hotels that are right there.
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He was casual, so he showed up in like a shirt and a pair of jeans.
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You know, normally how you travel on an airplane and normally when you go
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inside the factory, generally speaking, you know, you show up with slacks
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on dress, shirt tie, and a jacket.
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Times have changed since 1995, you know, 30 plus years.
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Not everybody's wearing a tie every day.
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You know, sometimes it's the open collar look, but you still have a sport
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jacket on and you know, you look sharp.
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And I always joke, you know, Italians get dressed up to go
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ahead and go get gasoline, you know, or petro or whatever they do.
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You know those, they're dressed up.
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They're dressed up for everything.
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Yeah.
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So he got there and somebody made a little bit of an off-color comment saying, you
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know, Phil, you should be more conscious of when you come here, you should show up.
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With a jack and a tie on.
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And what happened was he stopped, he was at the traffic light,
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from my understanding with the story outside the factory.
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Somebody saw him and said, Phil, come on in.
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Have a quick, you know, espresso.
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Phil said, okay, you know, he was a little tired, obviously.
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And uh, he parked the car and he just walked across the street.
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'cause the hotels, you know, across the street he went in, or, you know, you
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know, down the road and whatever it is.
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I don't know which hotel he stayed at.
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But anyway, he goes in.
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Somebody sees him and they make this comment to him, you know, you
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should be here and you know you should know better than to do this.
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Well, he flipped out, he canceled the F 50 and he canceled the F
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five 12 M. And I think, I think.
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He, he knew that they were making a replacement car for the F five 12 M,
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which was the Marine, which if you look at the collection, he never had one.
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So Phil canceled those cars.
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He surely would've had car number three of the F 50 in yellow, 'cause there
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was two that were made for the us.
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There was Paul Frame's car, there was Ralph Lauren's car, and for
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sure he would've had a yellow one.
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So who knows the way the world would've changed.
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He, he didn't get a car, so he canceled.
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Everything.
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So it took Simoni ska years to go ahead and mend the fences.
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So he didn't buy any cars until 1999 when he got the 3 5, 5 fiorano.
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And when we were going through the collection, through the
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archive, we saw all the faxes.
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'cause there was no emails back then of Simoni writing a, of
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sending a fax to Phil and saying, Phil, I just wanna let you know.
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I saw Loris Chea and LO works for Zazi now, and he said, Hey, I saw
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Lori and they're gonna be coming out with a limited edition 3, 5 5.
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It's gonna be numbered.
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And he slowly got filled back into the deal and sure enough,
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bygones are being bygones.
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But I think Phil dug in and for four years he didn't get a car.
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He went from 95 to 99.
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He didn't get a new vehicle, nothing.
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They came out with some pretty stout cars in there.
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Yeah.
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Obviously you had, you had the Marineo, obviously he missed out on the F five
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12 M and he missed out on the F 50.
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So going back to your original question, how he got the car, he
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wanted a really low mileage car and he knew that Ian had the car.
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From my understanding, the market on the car at that point in time.
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It's about 10 years ago.
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It was about 1.75 million for a perfect car, and we know where it was in 2009.
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'cause I sold the Penske car and that was 975,000.
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So the car was going up still no matter what was going on in the world.
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Then Ian says in his head, well, I'll just double it and I'll go for 3.5.
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At the time, Ian had some other stuff going on in his life.
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He was in the middle of construction on a house, and you know,
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there was some issues there.
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And Ian said, look, if I'm gonna free up a car, I'm gonna have to free up a car.
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Only if this guy gives me some number that's outta this world.
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So he doubled it.
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And he said 25.
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And you know, that's a big number.
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So I wanna, I wanna bring that up because it's very important considering what
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happened in the Bachman collection today.
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If people say that, okay, a car is worth an, let's say an
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enzo's worth seven, 8 million.
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But somebody said, well, I'm not gonna sell the car.
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Well, if somebody gave you 16 million, 17 million for the car, would you sell it?
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Sure, I'd sell it.
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That's kind of what happened with the Enzo, because it was a real unique car.
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You're not gonna find another one like it.
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Yeah, and that's why these numbers did these moonshots, you know, you
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had a lot of people out there on the internet saying, oh, it was for charity
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and that's why it was like that.
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I said, absolutely not.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Clarify that.
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Yeah, it was a standard auction.
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The cars were sold through Mecu Auctions.
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It wasn't a charity to be a charity.
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The purchaser has to purchase the cars from the Bachman Foundation.
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Now they have a foundation.
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Most people, when you're gonna go ahead and take in this kind of money, I mean the
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sale brought in with fees, $125 million.
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Of course, they're gonna send up.
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They're gonna sell most times, not always, but they set up a foundation.
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The Bachman Foundation is, you know, based in the Eastern Tennessee, and they're
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gonna do a lot of good things to help different people and different things.
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You know, they wanna do some stuff with, you know, some technicians,
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they wanna build a, I think a school, you know, to help, you know, young
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mechanics and stuff like this.
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So, I mean, you know, they have a bunch of different things in their
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mission statement, but the point was.
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It's a little bit of a tax shelter for them, but the cars were not sold
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directly from the Bachman Foundation to whoever you know, Mr. John A.
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Smith who purchased the car, he purchased the car from Mecom Auctions.
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It was thrown out there and it was a few people that put it out there,
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and even people that worked at other auction houses, and I. Quick
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to go ahead and reach out to them.
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I said, look, you gotta clarify this, and sure enough, they edited the
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post or they, you know, we took it down or whatever it was, but it got
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cleared up very, very quickly because everyone's like, this is impossible.
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Then, then you had, you know, a whole other load of people
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saying, oh, you know, is it real?
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You know, one thing about a no reserve auction, you know when you have a reserve
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auction, it's real easy to run up.
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The number on a no reserve auction.
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Well, you have an internet bid or here or there.
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Like you really don't know because they're trying to run it up.
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But when you have a no reserve auction, it's like musical chairs.
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If you go ahead, you better make sure you have a seat when the music stops.
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Yeah.
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So you can't go ahead and play that game, especially when you start
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getting in these high numbers.
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There was two people on the room now, one of the people that was bidding pretty
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high up because it takes two to run it up.
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So obviously if there's one guy paying it, regardless of whoever he is, and
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there's a lot of people that had comments, well, this guy's this and his business
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isn't real, or whatever the case may be.
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There was still a guy right behind him running it up.
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And the guy that was behind him is a authorized Ferrari
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dealer in North America.
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Oh, really?
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So, oh yeah.
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And, and they were the underbidder on, you know, a bunch of the cars and
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obviously they had a well to do client.
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Pretty well known client that wanted these cars.
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Again, this goes back to the original conversation.
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When you get a guy that's a multimillionaire, maybe a billionaire,
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in this case, I believe he is a billionaire, and he says, look,
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I don't wanna know anything.
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I want those cars.
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And in his mind, he pulls out a number.
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He says, look, I'm gonna drop 30, 40, 50, 70, whatever the number is, million.
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I want these cars.
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He's willing to do it.
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He's saying to himself, where am I ever gonna get a chance again to
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see all these cars in one place?
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Yeah.
19:17
That I can get 'em.
19:18
And regardless of, you know, whether he super loved the look of them, there was
19:22
a lot of people that said to me, wow.
19:25
I saw these cars in the catalog.
19:27
I saw 'em in the video and you know, we had all the big bright lights on 'em,
19:30
and the colors were really exploding when they saw them in real life,
19:34
they were like, wow, they're not as vibrant and not as bright as I thought.
19:38
And you know, a lot of times people looked at 'em and they
19:40
said, you know, it actually works.
19:42
And I thought I wouldn't like it.
19:44
There was a lot of that.
19:45
Yeah.
19:46
I, I honest to God, there was probably more people.
19:49
That came up to us and said, I didn't think I was gonna like this car in person.
19:53
And it's really cool.
19:54
There was a lot of people that said that, you know, it was good.
19:57
And people said to me, they said, what's your favorite car?
20:00
And I would turn around and point at the 2 7 5.
20:02
You know, it was funny, I saw Rick Hendrick the night before and we chatted
20:06
and I said, look, if you're gonna buy one car in the collection, that's the car.
20:09
And Andy Thomas, he has a 10 10th club, and Andy Thomas works for him.
20:13
And Andy actually was my rep. At Ferrari North America over 20 years ago, and
20:17
actually Andy and I were the first two to see the Bachman Enzo when it
20:21
came into the us and I actually still have the email from 2004 when the car
20:26
came into the US when it got unloaded.
20:28
So look, for us, it was like full circle, Andy we're, we're staring at the end zone.
20:32
I said, Hey, you remember the two of us staring at that car?
20:35
And then we're turning our heads and he says, what's your favorite car?
20:38
You know, there's 46 of them there.
20:39
I said hands down the 2 75.
20:41
Yeah, I think it was stunning.
20:43
It was stunning car.
20:43
Right.
20:44
So there's 16 of them, you know.
20:45
Well, that's the accepted number.
20:47
There's no official number out of the factory because at that point
20:51
in time, some of the bill sheets, they would mark if it was an
20:54
alloy, and some of 'em they didn't.
20:55
So the cars exist as an alloy, you know, their notes weren't super,
21:00
super detailed at that point.
21:01
There was a point.
21:03
Where their notes weren't the super best, but you know, when you get
21:06
into like a build sheet or you start to see the purchase order.
21:09
If you have the original purchase order, it would show that the
21:12
car was ordered as an alloy.
21:13
That car was born as a fly yellow car, and it lived most of its time,
21:19
uh, with one gentleman, and then it went to another guy, and then to Phil.
21:23
Phil had the car restored by, uh, David Cart, who has since
21:26
passed away during either right, during COVID or right after COVID.
21:31
He was out of Virginia.
21:32
And those three cars that we had on the stage, we had the chairs and Flair.
21:35
2 46 we had, um, the 2 75 TTB four.
21:40
And then we had off to the right of that.
21:42
We had the Luso.
21:43
But that car for me, you know, when people ask me what was my
21:47
favorite car, I said, the 2 75 GTB four Alloy was my favorite car.
21:51
It's not even close.
21:52
And then, you know, when I walked in the other room, I had Dana's 2 75 Nart.
21:56
Which was sitting on in the other room.
21:58
Right.
21:58
So when you look at that car, and as much as I love the na, the 2
22:03
75 GTB four alloy is, is just my favorite car, John, surely 2 75.
22:10
NA is the ultimate rockstar.
22:12
They made 10 cars, Dan car, the silver one is number nine, and the
22:17
number two car is John Shirley's.
22:19
And I was talking to John talking about the two 50 GTO and I
22:23
saw John and we were chatting.
22:25
That car lived legitimately a quarter mile from my high school for many,
22:31
many, many, many years in New Jersey.
22:34
And I used to see the car driving around all the time.
22:37
And then as time goes on, the internet builds and you start doing your Google
22:41
and you start looking things up.
22:42
You say to yourself, man, I wonder what happened to that car.
22:46
Sure enough, John surely has it.
22:48
So when we, when we went up there to go see John and Dana and
22:51
myself, we went to go put together the deal for the two 50 GTO.
22:55
I saw the car.
22:55
Now we're there to look at a two 50 GTO.
22:58
I'm all over the narc because me growing up, I'm like, Hey, this is
23:02
the car I used to see all the time.
23:04
So it's funny because you know, you see a car and you identify
23:07
something about it, whether it was Oh, triggers trigger something.
23:10
Right.
23:10
And see, and, and for me, the other car that does that is the 3 0 8.
23:14
So for me, the 3 0 8 triggers at big time, growing up watching
23:18
Magnum pi, I remember watching it.
23:20
Yeah.
23:20
You know, and it was like, uh, for whatever night, it was like Thursday
23:22
night, you know, Magnum PI would go on and it was a weekly show.
23:25
And then for me, fast forward.
23:28
I joined the Marines when I'm 17.
23:30
I get stationed in Hawaii, you know, I know where the Higgins, you know Robin?
23:35
Rob, Robin Masters.
23:36
The state is, you know, it's in Wyman.
23:40
Fast forward and I'm the general manager of the store in Hawaii.
23:44
So when they did the new version of Magna Pi, I would see the Ferrari,
23:48
you know, with the Robin one plate.
23:50
You know, we were doing the service on the cars that they used for the show.
23:53
So it's so funny for me, like full circle, you know, for that, that car.
23:59
And then, you know, the last but not least car for me was, was the 2 8 8 GTO.
24:03
Because I, you know, I mentioned to you on the earlier podcast growing up, I grew
24:07
up with a family that was really involved with Benjamin Moore paint and they, uh,
24:12
they went to the Ferrari Club Nationals every year and they, they had Ferraris.
24:16
We would go to the national and we would show the cars.
24:18
And this was going all the way back in the 1980s.
24:21
And I remember going to Watkins Glen in 1984, and they had the first, maybe
24:27
it was 85, but I think, I mean maybe it was 85, it might have been 1985.
24:31
I forget what year it was, but they had the RY Club National at the Glen.
24:34
We were, you know, watching the two eight A GTO that was there, and they had the
24:39
first tester in the United States come.
24:42
And that was a big deal for the tester because remember.
24:45
The BB five two and the BB five 12 I, that car was never, you know,
24:51
homologated for the United States.
24:52
Yeah, they were federalized.
24:52
Yeah.
24:53
Right.
24:53
The cars that came in were the old quote unquote gray market cars.
24:56
And you know, you would see them and then it wasn't like today where you
24:59
could say, listen, let's look on the internet and see what the differences are.
25:02
The car would show up and we were like, okay, it has a body color bottom, but
25:06
the other ones have a black bottom.
25:07
Right.
25:08
So you know, that was an option that came out on the real later bbs.
25:11
So it was like all that different stuff and you would see it
25:13
in the Bachman collection.
25:14
So when we were looking at the Bachman collection, like I can identify
25:18
with every car, like I could see the difference between a BB 512.
25:21
I could see the difference with a BB 512, I, you know, whatever the
25:25
car was, I can quickly look and they say, well, the cars are the same.
25:29
I said, no, they're not the same.
25:29
They're like, oh, the interior's different.
25:31
I'm like, no, they're two different cars.
25:33
This one was delivered to a German market.
25:35
Look at the grill, look at the lights, you know, behind the grill.
25:38
Yeah.
25:38
Market lights and, and Right.
25:39
And then people would look and they say, oh my God, I didn't even notice that.
25:43
It was just a question of, you know, really educating people and,
25:46
and, uh, and listen, I had a blast.
25:49
Like I, we had such a great time during the week doing everything.
25:53
It was really, really, really just an awesome week.
25:56
I, I can't tell you how much fun we had and honestly, hats off to the Mecu crew.
26:01
They were amazing.
26:02
Brett, Dana, Dan, Brianne.
26:05
I mean, look, the list just goes on and on and on.
26:07
Like everybody there was there to help you.
26:09
Just, you name it.
26:11
Mike, uh, Harold.
26:12
I mean, look, it just keeps going on and on and on.
26:15
Everywhere I went to, they were just such an accommodating team.
26:18
Even Dominic, the guy that runs the golf carts, you know,
26:21
Hey, we need to grab somebody.
26:23
Hey, we, we need to do this.
26:24
Hey, we gotta grab this guy.
26:25
I mean, like everybody, like, they were just awesome.
26:28
Just an amazing team.
26:29
And to do everything that they did from the beginning of October to have it to
26:34
the market in 90 days, it was unheard of.
26:36
Yeah, I've never seen anything like that.
26:39
The presentation was just over the top.
26:42
Yeah, it, it just, yeah, they nailed it.
26:43
I can't, they nailed it.
26:44
It just killed it.
26:45
I mean, it was like nothing else I've ever seen recreating the garage upstairs.
26:49
We had that little loft up on top.
26:51
Yeah, I saw it.
26:52
Yeah.
26:52
And you know, we brought people up there and they would, and they would go
26:55
through the archive and they'd say, Hey.
26:56
And you know, the thing that, that we, including Marco, myself
26:59
and Emiliano, we would see people and they'd be going through like
27:02
multiple, multiple, multiple cars.
27:04
And it was a little, probably a little strange to us.
27:07
'cause we would say to them, Hey fellas, how are you?
27:08
Good, good, good guys need help with anything?
27:10
Like, nah, I'm good.
27:11
You know, it was, you know, and you could see the big screens playing
27:14
and it has me, Emiliano, and Marco.
27:17
Like, if you watched a video, you could easily say.
27:20
Wait a second.
27:20
They're the guys that are in the video, they're talking about this.
27:23
Maybe they know something that I don't know.
27:25
Yeah, they might know a little something and we, you know, and we, they would look
27:29
at me and, you know, the typical Italian phrase, there's no words talk, but they
27:33
go like this, you know, they do this and, and, and we were laughing and I'd say.
27:38
I don't know what to tell you.
27:39
You know, we would talk to people, say, Hey fellas, you need any
27:42
help on anything, let us know.
27:43
You know, everybody doesn't want to, to show their hand or whether
27:46
no, you know, they're, they're in the middle of looking at something.
27:48
Maybe they don't want you to know who they're looking
27:50
for or whatever the case is.
27:52
But you know, we were like, Hey, listen, you know, we're here to
27:55
help if you have any questions, if you wanna go through the car.
27:57
And then it was the opposite on the other side.
27:59
You had people show up and say, Hey, listen.
28:02
I watched the videos online.
28:03
I've been watching the stuff on YouTube.
28:05
I love the video.
28:06
Can you walk me through this car?
28:08
Absolutely.
28:08
And we would spend as much time as we needed.
28:10
There was, there was people that we got there.
28:12
There was one gentleman, he got there at 10:00 AM He left at four.
28:15
Wow.
28:16
And I was with him for six hours and I went through every single car.
28:21
He took notes.
28:22
I know for sure that he bit on a lot of cars.
28:24
I'm not quite sure if he won anything, but I know he was in the race.
28:28
Towards the end on a few of the cars.
28:30
So look, it was enjoyable because again, it goes back to the
28:33
beginning of the question, why did the cars do all these numbers?
28:35
Yeah.
28:36
'cause we took that time, we educated some people, they saw the value in the car.
28:40
'cause there was people that even looked at the catalog and they'd say, you know,
28:43
I went through it and it says, Hey, this is the last one for the us or this is
28:47
the, you know, there was this many made in yellow or with this color combination.
28:51
It's one of X amount.
28:52
Yeah.
28:52
Let me go ahead and run it through you.
28:54
Let me show you something on it.
28:55
And then they would look at the car and they might even be on that car.
28:58
Look at the car next to it and say, I looked at this car and I didn't
29:02
really think I'd like it, but you know, this is a really cool car.
29:05
It it, it was kind of cool, like, you know, when I spoke to Tom Cabio, you
29:09
know, from Garage 26, they got a great Instagram page and they're down in Miami.
29:13
Yeah, I've been in his collection.
29:14
That's unbelievable.
29:15
Yeah.
29:16
So he, he picked up a few cars, right?
29:18
So he wound up at about four cars.
29:20
You know, we were going through it and, and I knew the other guy, the
29:23
guy outta Connecticut that was running against them, right, on those cars.
29:27
So everybody thought that it was the same guys that were bidding on the
29:30
same cars, which wasn't the case.
29:32
There was multiple, multiple people.
29:34
And then on the big cars, there was a group of guys.
29:38
Then there was like, on the other stuff, like I said, like the three 40 eights.
29:41
The three 20 eights they were trying to fill in.
29:43
Then it was the vintage guys.
29:44
You know guys that were chasing the Luso and the chairs and flares car.
29:48
Then there was guys that were chasing just the bbs.
29:51
There was a bunch of guys that just came in on the bbs.
29:53
Then there was the guys that were saying, Hey, I already have a 2 8 8 GTO,
29:58
but I want one that's like pristine.
30:01
Yeah, so, so now one owner that mileage.
30:04
Yeah, so now they're hoping, there was guys that had the car that were cheering
30:08
that the car would keep going up because again, look, they have the car they
30:12
may have bought in, who knows when.
30:14
It could have been 10 years ago, it could have been 20 years ago.
30:17
But there was people that bought in obviously considerably less
30:20
and they were like, oh heck yeah.
30:22
It's like go higher saying Hey, this is great because now how their this thing go.
30:27
When, when people said to me at the very end, is there any cars that.
30:31
I thought did less than what they were gonna do.
30:35
And I said, yeah, there was one car in particular, the 1 6 6 mm. That car Yeah.
30:39
That surprised me that, that somebody, somebody got a killer deal on that car
30:42
because they paid, I think all in around 2 million bucks and it should have did.
30:47
At least a million more.
30:48
And I, you know, I chatted with Brian Ross about it and Brian's got an
30:51
amazing collection and uh, you know, he's a Ferrari dealer up in Vancouver.
30:55
And look, we're all friends, you know, we're all friends with each other.
30:57
We were really, really surprised.
30:59
Even Emiliano and Marco, we thought that the car was gonna do
31:02
closer to 3 million or somewhere like up in that range, for sure.
31:05
Again, there was people that expressed interest and I don't know if something
31:09
was going on in their life or they just didn't get on the phone because
31:12
there was people who did register.
31:14
They got pre-authorized?
31:16
Pre-approved?
31:16
Yeah.
31:16
You know, with their letters and didn't bid, and then there was people, wow.
31:20
Who got there.
31:21
They looked at the cars and then maybe they walked around and
31:24
they said, Hey, you know what?
31:25
I really love this.
31:27
5, 9, 9 Seperta.
31:29
I, I love the car, but this color combo, the yellow and green, nah,
31:33
it's just not me, but there's another one for sale in the auction.
31:36
So Dana had over 125 Ferrari in the sale.
31:39
Yeah.
31:39
He had a, yeah.
31:40
That was outstanding what they had outside of the Bachman collection as well.
31:44
I mean, there was some blue chip stuff in there.
31:47
Oh my god.
31:47
Yeah.
31:48
And then, you know, like the other Enzo, the, the RiNo car
31:51
that came from Gerald Barnes.
31:52
Yeah.
31:52
Strong.
31:52
So that car, that was another car Dana and I worked on together.
31:55
Dana and I were.
31:56
Chatting on the phone every single day.
31:58
And that went back to, I don't know, either, I wanna say October or November.
32:02
We were chatting about that.
32:03
And Dana, in November I think it was, you know, we were trying to lock
32:06
that thing up and Dana was saying to me, he said, Hey, you know, there's
32:09
multiple cars in the package and we were chatting what we thought they
32:12
were gonna do, and it was a paint.
32:14
The sample nine 18, that was part of the package that Rick Hendrick got that car.
32:17
Yeah.
32:18
Again, the same players that were involved on the cars on Saturday, that
32:23
car ran on Friday, the nine 18 fighter.
32:26
It was the same guys that were in the same mix, but you know when they lose
32:30
the day before, you know, they sleep on it and then they wake up and they say.
32:34
I'm not losing on that Enzo.
32:36
I don't care what it takes.
32:37
So when you get a guy like that and his ego gets behind his, you know,
32:41
behind the thought, now you're like, okay, listen, this is really gonna
32:44
be, this is gonna be a horse race.
32:45
Now this is really gonna go at it.
32:47
And sure enough, that's what happened.
32:49
But you know, case in point.
32:51
People say, oh, it was just the Bachman cars, or whatever the case is.
32:54
I say, okay, well then explain to me why the RiNo Enzo did the number it did.
32:59
Because listen, if that car was regular red Rosa Corsa, it does millions less
33:04
because Oh yeah, it's a more common car.
33:07
Once you get into rare shades.
33:09
It's one of 2, 3, 1, whatever the case may be.
33:13
That's it.
33:14
It's game on at that point.
33:16
Yeah, and it's great to see that too.
33:17
It just, it just validates, you know, especially doing, you know, you got
33:20
your personalization and everything like that and yeah, some stuff might
33:22
come out, might not be someone's taste, but it is someone's taste and
33:26
just makes it that much more special as it compared to all the other ones.
33:29
For sure.
33:29
You know, especially if someone goes to the FCA meets stuff like that.
33:33
They take that, they're not gonna be lined up like one, one after another to
33:36
all the same color or anything like that.
33:38
It's like, nope.
33:38
We know who that is.
33:39
We know where it came from.
33:40
You know, just, it stands out.
33:41
It makes it that much more special, which is great to see.
33:43
You know, you take pride in that.
33:44
We Did you take pride?
33:45
Absolutely.
33:46
We did a car, I don't know, I guess it was right around this time we were
33:50
chatting and there was an F 12 and a 4 88 spider that were both done without paint.
33:56
So if you remember the Mercury pilots.
33:59
You know they're Mercury astronauts.
34:00
Yeah.
34:00
They had all aluminum, no paint Cobras, and then quickly Rathman
34:05
Chevrolet, which isn't far from here.
34:07
It was right down the road on the Space Coast.
34:09
The, a lot of the astronauts at that time had Corvettes and they had some deal
34:13
hooked up with Rathman and Jim Rathman won the Indianapolis 500 back in the
34:17
fifties and he had a Chevrolet dealership.
34:19
So I, I saw an article and I was flipping through a magazine and I saw an all
34:23
aluminum Oprah from one of the astronauts.
34:26
Then fast forward.
34:28
I knew that there was an F 12 TDF that was done in the states that had no pain
34:33
on it, and then there was obviously a a 4 8 8 spider that was done the same way.
34:37
So sure enough, we did the same thing with an A 12 competency, ONA.
34:41
My one client had it, we built it and he kept the car for a couple years.
34:46
It was sitting at the dealership and another collector.
34:48
Another gentleman that out of the New York area, originally he saw the car and
34:53
uh, he's like, I gotta have that car.
34:55
And at the time it was a world record and people are like, oh, you're nuts this,
34:59
that, you know, you're paying crazy money.
35:01
Well, here it is further down the road, you know, not quite a year
35:04
later, the car probably went up 750,000 more than what he paid.
35:09
And he paid like a world record.
35:11
Yeah.
35:12
For that car already.
35:13
So his a 12 competition is worth tons of money, and it's an exact
35:19
same mirror image of what happened in the Bachman collection.
35:23
The Bachman collection, when you looked at that F 12 TDF.
35:26
Okay.
35:27
That was one of the cars that people saw in person.
35:29
They said, wow, it's not as wild as I thought it would be.
35:32
Again, when you look at a car like that, and then, you know, we put so much time
35:36
into detailing, you know, we brought in a gentleman named Squeaky, Pete.
35:39
Pete Wedge, he's outta Miami area, really well known detailer.
35:42
He brought his team, his brother Sam, and a few of the boys down.
35:46
They all showed up there, and I'm telling you right now, they camped out and
35:49
we had those cars looking like glass.
35:50
Oh yeah.
35:51
I mean, they, they were like glass.
35:52
I mean, we, we made, we really, really worked on 'em as if we
35:55
were doing concor restorations.
35:57
And listen, he could have spent even more time on each car and really made
36:00
them look like legitimate like glass.
36:03
But.
36:03
They looked unbelievable and people were coming in and they said, man,
36:07
I've never seen cars puff like that.
36:08
And Dana's guys had the light pop in the right way.
36:12
You know when the cars went on stage, if you just watch those videos and
36:15
Dana ran through 4,000 plus cars, there's no cars that look better.
36:20
Shine wise, there's cars, you're right, there's cars that look,
36:22
there's cars that looked really, really close when you looked at the
36:25
Yanko collection and some other cars.
36:27
Those cars were spot on too, but when they went up on that stage, especially
36:31
like the older cars, the 2 75, and the Luso with the bani wheels and the chrome
36:35
bumpers, when those cars hit the stage, I.
36:38
They looked electric.
36:39
Like I was just sitting up on the stage and there was a bunch of canid shots that
36:43
people sent to me, of me looking, and I'm up there and I, and I'm leaning over.
36:48
I saw, saw, I saw on the top of the block and I'm smiling and I'm like, yeah.
36:51
They said, these cars look like movie stars.
36:53
Like it just.
36:54
Yeah, they just looked so perfect and that's why they brought the money.
36:57
So I tell people it wasn't just one thing or one bidder.
37:01
That helps obviously, but there was so much the road to the sale that
37:05
got those cars to bring it there.
37:07
The storyline that we did, the videos, the whole Mecu team getting
37:11
the catalogs made the way they did the catalog was absolutely amazing.
37:15
The data that was in there, you know, the online presence, you
37:19
know, MECU doing it, us doing it, you know, the dealership doing it.
37:23
Just everything, you know, and, and we, everybody did their part.
37:26
And then it was like, okay, when are we gonna get a chance
37:29
to find another car like this?
37:30
And believe me, a lot of people sat back and said, I've been in this
37:33
business a long time, I've never seen anything like this in my entire
37:36
life of just Ferraris that are this cool, this eclectic, or whatever the
37:40
case may have been in this condition.
37:43
With this mileage single owner?
37:46
Um, on a lot of the cases, yeah.
37:47
Not obviously.
37:48
Obviously, the ones that, it was unbelievable.
37:49
I won't see it again.
37:50
It probably won't see, see it again, won't, and listen, I've been doing
37:53
30 years, never saw it ever happen.
37:55
So for me it was really, really special to be part of it.
37:59
And obviously, you know, develop a, a relationship friendship with
38:02
you and a lot of other people.
38:03
It was just, honestly, when I look back, if I look back and I say,
38:07
okay, look, you're gonna do your testimonial on your career and say,
38:10
you know, what was like the highlight for sure that's gonna be up there.
38:14
Oh, absolutely.
38:15
It was right there.
38:16
That definitely up there.
38:17
There's two also I wanna touch on because I, I absolutely love them.
38:21
The yellow one brought no good strong money, but the green one
38:24
that really opened up eyes in those, the 2 360 Challenge Rad.
38:28
Oh my God.
38:29
Yeah.
38:29
So the 360 Challenge rad people would look at the first one, he went all out.
38:34
So it was like, you know when we looked at like the 5 9 9 SA perata and
38:38
we looked at the 5 9 9 GTO and even.
38:41
The 360 Challenge Rad.
38:42
The yellow one.
38:43
It was almost like if you said, okay, look, here's an option list and these
38:46
are all the little things we can do.
38:49
It was almost like when you see that one, it's like select all that's,
38:52
you know, it's like, okay, but they didn't, they didn't have that back then.
38:55
Right.
38:56
So it was almost like select all and that's when you know, you know, you
39:00
would look and you would say, okay, he did every single thing, like the
39:03
headlight buckets on the 360 challenge tri, all the little detail work.
39:07
And you saw the same thing in the 16 s, but the green challenge triology.
39:11
Yeah.
39:12
God, that was gorgeous.
39:12
Was That was another one of my favorites.
39:14
So yeah, that was in my top five.
39:16
So when I would look at that car and I said to myself.
39:19
Oh my God.
39:20
I said, this car is just an absolute rockstar.
39:23
You know, when you saw it all polished up, people were going crazy for that car.
39:27
And that car did, I'm Monster.
39:29
Monster number.
39:30
Yeah, monster number.
39:31
Was that only Chara in Green that produced or is there any other No, I, I think
39:35
there was two in green, but I'm not sure.
39:37
Sure if there was another one in that exact shade.
39:39
'cause there was 1300 cars that were produced.
39:42
But I gotta get the catalog.
39:44
It's, you know, it's funny, I went through the catalog and I
39:46
knew the thing inside and out when we were producing the catalog.
39:49
'cause we were constantly going back and editing and, you
39:52
know, let's double check this.
39:53
So, you know, this one has a plastic case certification, this one doesn't.
39:57
But on that particular car, the seats that were in the car came with that car
40:01
came with two sets of seats as well.
40:03
So the original seats in there.
40:05
The red in them with the red seats, although they're very, very cool.
40:09
It had a little bit of that Christmas tree look, you know you
40:11
had green car with the red seats.
40:14
Yeah.
40:14
You know, and then Phil got another set of seats and he ordered another
40:18
set of seats and he went ahead and he continued on what he wanted to do as
40:22
far as the green that was in there.
40:24
And candidly it looked great.
40:25
And look, it was colors that were offered at the time.
40:28
You had to go ahead and do an extra comp area request.
40:31
But they were alcantara colors that were available at the time.
40:34
Ferrari at that point in time.
40:36
That's really when they were switching over from the original
40:40
RIA TI program, and then they were moving into what they called atelier.
40:46
Atelier became tailor made, and then it started to build more and more and more.
40:52
As time went on, you would actually see, you know, how they evolved and you know, a
40:57
lot of the other brands started to do it.
40:59
Bentley was probably, you know, I always talk about it.
41:01
Bentley was probably like the originators of this program.
41:03
Their Moller program and their Moller division is unbelievable.
41:06
And then, you know, you had Rolls Royce doing it, you know, with their
41:09
Beast Folk program and you saw all the top companies in the world.
41:14
Starting to do it.
41:15
And you know, as time went on, people would start to do the
41:18
customization and it's a huge, huge, huge, huge business now for Ferrari.
41:22
Massive, massive.
41:23
It's massive, massive, massive, massive.
41:25
And you know, I tell people you would see Dreamlines on Phil's cars.
41:29
Dreamlines are like pretty common now on cars.
41:32
But Phil was like the originator.
41:34
You had dream lines on the wheels.
41:35
Even their FXX, which who customizes a race car.
41:40
It was the only one that was originally produced in yellow.
41:43
There's been a few guys that when they did the EVO upgrade or they sent the cars
41:46
back, now that they've upgraded, I think there's three yellow ones that are out
41:49
there flowing around, but two or three.
41:52
But Phil's is the only original one.
41:54
And that also was a car that was a deal.
41:56
'cause I thought at $6 million.
41:58
Yeah, I did too.
41:59
Yeah, that, that, that was a good deal for that car.
42:02
I'm not sure who got the car.
42:03
You know, I, I haven't gone through the whole list to see who the purchasers were,
42:07
but I'm happy for everybody who got 'em.
42:09
And there's been people who have reached out to me at the dealership and have
42:11
said, Hey man, I know that you were up there and I saw you quickly and I didn't
42:15
get a chance to chat with you, but I knew, obviously I had the catalog and
42:18
it's says Prancing horse in Nashville.
42:20
And you know, I just wanted to chat with you about the car and I was on
42:23
the phone with a gentleman yesterday.
42:24
He bought actually the F 40.
42:26
I was telling him some stuff and he was like, floored.
42:29
He's like, oh, you're kidding me?
42:30
I said, no, and I said, I said, when did you see the, I said, when
42:34
did you see the, the collection?
42:35
He said, you know what?
42:36
He said, I saw the collection years ago.
42:39
I met Phil and Martha Bachman years ago.
42:42
I knew who they were and I knew how well they took care of the cars,
42:45
and there was a lot of that too.
42:46
There was people who knew the bachmans or competed against them at an FCA
42:50
event or at Caino or whatever it was.
42:53
More times than not, they lost out to them, you know, that their
42:55
cars were always super pristine.
42:58
They said, you know what?
42:58
We lost out to them, but now's my chance to get in.
43:01
I always said, Hey, if that car ever comes for sale, I wanna make a run at it.
43:05
And you know, we, we had calls, it was nonstop.
43:07
Dana had calls, we had calls at the dealership, Hey, I
43:09
really wanna buy that car.
43:11
Okay, but I want you to pull it out of the collection.
43:14
Oh, okay, no problem.
43:16
What do you wanna offer?
43:17
Yeah.
43:17
And they would say to me, I'm gonna make a bid.
43:20
That's, you know, like an astronomical number.
43:22
Okay.
43:23
What are you gonna bid?
43:24
And they would say, I'm gonna go ahead and bid.
43:26
Let's say like on the Enzo, I'm gonna bid $8 million.
43:31
We knew that it was definitely gonna do more than that.
43:34
'cause you know, we were chatting with a lot of people and I'd say,
43:36
now you're a little short bud.
43:38
And I'd say, okay, nine.
43:40
And I'd say, no, no, no.
43:41
It was short, buddy.
43:42
I'd say the first, the first number starts with a one.
43:44
I said we already, we already had people beforehand that were saying, look, I think
43:49
the car is gonna do 10 to 12 million.
43:50
And then.
43:51
You had people for us to pull a car outta the cell, or at least we couldn't.
43:55
We'd have to approach the family and the foundation for us to pull a car.
43:59
It would have to be some crazy number.
44:01
And he said, well, what's crazy?
44:03
And I said, north of 15, the guy's exact words were, you're dreaming the Carl.
44:08
I'll never do that.
44:09
I said, well look, guess what we're gonna have to see.
44:11
Or did 17 and change?
44:13
Yeah.
44:13
Changed almost 18 million.
44:14
Yeah.
44:14
So, and, and again, this is even me saying it, if you would've told me that
44:19
the car was gonna do that number, I would've been just like that same guy.
44:21
I would've said, you're crazy car's never gonna do that number.
44:25
But it did it, and it took two people to go at it to get to that number.
44:30
Yeah, everyone was prior to it, you know, 10, 12.
44:32
Yeah, I like that.
44:33
Which I was like, yeah, that's maybe a little bit more, but hey, it takes
44:35
two to tango and they start jacking that down and going, which options?
44:39
See?
44:39
'cause I mean, the excitement in the room was phenomenal.
44:41
It was just fantastic to see.
44:42
It was, it was unbelievable.
44:44
It honestly was, it really was unbelievable.
44:46
Real quick on the two 50 GTO.
44:48
I thought it went right where it should have been.
44:50
It was fantastic.
44:51
But the one cool thing was is David Lee is the, uh, new owner of that, which
44:55
is fantastic 'cause and he loves to exercise and show his cars like that.
44:58
So I think that ownership, how he goes about it, the same as
45:01
John did showcase it with people, shared it and everything like that.
45:04
So I think it was awesome to see that he was, ended up with it.
45:07
For sure.
45:08
And David, you know, it's funny, you know, 'cause when you look at David's
45:10
collection, it's red and yellow, right?
45:12
So I, I said, well the car's already been yellow.
45:14
Let's just hope, I mean, it's already been red.
45:17
Let's hope that he doesn't make it yellow.
45:19
Yeah.
45:19
But it was, uh, you know, it, it was really a lot of fun and you know,
45:24
it, you know, it was going back and forth and you saw the famous photo
45:27
of Dana with the hats down sideways.
45:29
Yep.
45:29
You know, when he's negotiating with, with Kevin, who was the broker
45:33
that was helping him in the sale.
45:34
So, you know, you could see, um, you know, they were trying to get it over the
45:38
finish line, and it was one of those deals that, you know, when people say to me
45:42
like, what do you feel about the number?
45:43
I said, I thought it was a little light, but not by like a crazy number because
45:48
look, it was a right hand drive car.
45:50
If we were in a right hand drive country, it probably would've helped considerably.
45:53
But in our case, you know, a lot of people, you know, it's
45:56
like throwing a baseball.
45:57
If you're, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm truly ambidextrous, you know, I'm, I
46:00
do things left-handed and right-handed.
46:02
For people who aren't that way.
46:04
If you get in a car and when they try to shift, it's almost
46:07
like trying to throw a baseball.
46:08
It's almost like, oh, that's so awkward.
46:10
It's, yeah, it's very awkward.
46:11
Right?
46:11
So I've been with people who, and they're like, I can't do that.
46:15
I just can't imagine doing it.
46:16
So mentally they get themselves out of it.
46:18
Like right off the bat they're like, yeah, I don't think I can do that.
46:22
The flip side to that is the engine wasn't original.
46:24
But then again, you know, look, a lot of engines weren't original on a lot of cars.
46:29
Even some of the two 50 GTOs have had some pretty, you know, rough stories.
46:33
Them, I mean, there's cars that have been in accidents.
46:35
Drivers were even killed in know, killed them.
46:37
Yep.
46:37
One or two of the cars.
46:38
Right.
46:39
So yeah, there was far that, but the car had a great story,
46:42
obviously with John Coombs and how it had the vents on the hood.
46:45
The car came out of the factor, like the rest of them with
46:48
the two vents on the side.
46:49
And then after they, the car had an accident and then there was
46:51
some sheet metal work done and they added the third vent on the
46:55
side and the vents on the hood.
46:56
And you know, the car was mainly raced only in the uk so it didn't do
47:01
the, you know, international tour.
47:02
It didn't go to Lamont.
47:03
Target.
47:04
Flo and what have you.
47:05
Didn't do any of that.
47:06
The car really was limited to, you know, it did a lot of
47:09
racing at the time in Goodwood.
47:11
But you know, it had an interesting story about, you know, Jaguar
47:13
reverse engineering the car and, you know, they loved it and it helped
47:17
them develop the e type further.
47:19
It was a great car, you know, I mean, it just, yeah, it had a great story.
47:22
John was amazing with it.
47:24
John took the car and John used the car for, um, 25 plus years.
47:29
He bought the car in 1999.
47:31
He had a, you know, he took it everywhere.
47:33
I mean, whether it was in the uk, the car was on these tours in Italy.
47:37
He had car tours that he did in Europe.
47:38
He took the cars and he raced it at Laguna and different track
47:41
events in North America took the car to Pebble, you name it.
47:45
Yeah.
47:45
So I think, I think David, to your point, is gonna do similar.
47:48
And continue a long ownership history, not just, you know, a couple years
47:52
move it on, he'll be another one that's gonna keep it 10, 15, 20 years.
47:56
So that, that's what's awesome to see about that as well.
47:59
So, you know.
47:59
Absolutely.
48:00
That's good stuff.
48:01
But hey, I appreciate you coming on.
48:03
Yeah, we're gonna definitely get you on a lot more and we're gonna do some
48:05
other fun stuff somewhere down the road.
48:07
We gotta start doing some more things together, so.
48:08
Right.
48:09
No, I appreciate it.
48:10
It's been fun.
48:10
I appreciate it and I'm looking forward to the next one.
48:13
Yeah, state travels through, uh, retro mobile and uh, going over to the uk That's
48:17
gonna be a lot of fun there as well.
48:18
So enjoy your time and again, appreciate it and see you next time.
48:22
Alright bud.
48:23
Look forward to it.
48:23
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But I, you know what?
49:43
It, it was awesome and I'm, and I'm happy.
49:46
To continue these on and, and talk more about more cars and more things.
49:50
I mean it's really, it's been super, super fun to do all this stuff.
49:54
It was great.
49:55
I know you gotta get going 'cause I know you still got a pack and I see
49:57
your wife walk around the background.
49:59
She's probably eyeballing you.
50:00
You know, the last 12 months have been great.
50:02
Dana just actually was calling and um, I said, Hey, I'm jumping on this podcast.
50:06
So I said I gotta ring you back.
50:08
But you know, we gotta catch up on.
50:10
Everything that's been going on, because the last couple days I
50:13
flew back up to Nashville to get some stuff at the store done.
50:16
And now we're, we're, we're, I'm on my way to retro, so I'm gonna stop in, in, uh,
50:21
London and, you know, just do a pit stop, like I said, at, you know, at Red Bull.
50:25
And obviously to stop at McLaren.
50:28
'cause uh, you know, we have a client, I have a client with me who is, um,
50:32
you know, a client of both of them.
50:33
So I said, okay, well, yeah.
50:35
We'll do a pit stop while we're on, going on over and then
50:37
off to Paris on Wednesday.
50:40
And then Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, they got an
50:42
RM auction that's over there.
50:44
So that's on Wednesday.
50:45
And then, uh, before you know it, you're on a plane, you're coming back and,
50:49
you know, getting ready for the next event, which is, uh, caino in palm.
50:54
It's just like a blur, you know?
50:55
I mean, last year I did something like 150 flights total for the year or so.
51:01
It's good age for Caino.
51:02
Being at the Boca now, I mean, I'm, yeah, and I think it's gonna be good.
51:05
Yeah.
51:05
Yeah.
51:05
It's gonna be good.
51:06
I think, I think it's better that, you know, when you looked at the
51:09
lawn at, at the Breakers, you know, you're always limited to that one
51:12
green that was right out front.
51:13
So they, they were smart about it.
51:15
They have a lot more space at Boca Raton, but I think they're still limited.
51:19
They're somewhere around 175 cars, give or take, and they could have obviously went.
51:24
Probably double that they got enough space to do it, but they're smart
51:28
because, you know, you still wanna keep it, I don't wanna say intimate like it
51:31
is in, um, you know, when you look at the event that's in Modina, or if you
51:35
look at the one that's in the Middle East, it's a great event, but it is, the
51:39
field is definitely somewhat limited.
51:41
Whereas in the US that's the original event.
51:43
It started obviously at the Breakers, you know.
51:46
You know, many, many years ago, and it's been, you know, an amazing
51:49
event over the years, but now when you look at it, it's different.
51:53
You know, it, it was, it was such an intimate event for many, many years.
51:56
And now when I look at it, I, I, you know, I don't wanna say it's got like that Las
52:00
Vegas feel, but it's got a lot of the glitz and glamor and, and candidly, I
52:04
went to the Las Vegas Concord this year.
52:07
That's one the up quick.
52:08
Yeah.
52:09
And I really, really feel it's got that Las Vegas pizazz behind it.
52:14
Anywhere you book, you know, you go to Palm Beach, you know, and you know,
52:17
I haven't been to Boca for an event.
52:19
I've been to the Boca Raton.
52:20
But you know, you go and you wanna go out to dinner, the restaurants at the
52:23
hotel where like, you know, maxed out.
52:25
If, unless you made reservations way in advance, sort of like pebble, you know,
52:29
you go and you're saying, Hey, what do you guys feel like eating tonight?
52:32
They're like, Hey, let's go for fish.
52:34
Okay, let's call a couple.
52:35
No, we're totally sold out.
52:37
Nope, we're totally sold out.
52:38
Whereas in Vegas, they're so used to seeing, you know, 40 million tourists a
52:42
year, no matter what you want it to do.
52:44
You know, you pick up the phone, it's say, Hey, what do you guys wanna do?
52:46
Yeah, we got a table come in like 15 minutes.
52:49
Yeah.
52:49
You know, and all the casinos have restaurants and they're top flight
52:52
restaurants, you know, it's over the top.
52:55
So for us it was awesome.
52:56
And normally all the stuff that totally stresses you out.
52:59
Where you get there and you say, oh damn, you know, I'm gonna have to
53:03
go ahead and get in the car and you know, we're gonna get over there.
53:07
We're gonna sit in, you know, crazy traffic.
53:09
I mean, it was just like, it's Vegas, right?
53:10
You're like, okay, this is Jump in an Uber, go over there.
53:13
It was real easy.
53:14
You could walk the strip if you wanted to go somewhere else,
53:17
get out and stretch your legs.
53:19
It was awesome.
53:19
The weather's super consistent.
53:21
Obviously at that time of the year, the days were like 80 degrees.
53:25
There's no humidity.
53:27
You know, it's, you're feeling good.
53:28
The nights were a little cool.
53:30
It was okay though.
53:31
You know, it was good to just, you had a light jacket on.
53:33
You're walking around.
53:33
Actually it was warmer in Las Vegas than it is in the summertime in trouble.
53:38
Yeah.
53:38
But um, yeah, so we had some fun.
53:41
But it was a good time.
53:42
It was enjoyable.
53:43
Yeah, it was, it was all good.
53:45
So cool.
53:45
Good things hap happy days.
53:47
Yeah, no, definitely man.
53:48
It's, it's great to see where everything's going.
53:50
You know, it's gonna keep going, you know, it's just got everything.
53:52
Just the energy is just phenomenal getting in everywhere.
53:56
It's like, it's fantastic to see, 'cause it's just people putting together these
53:59
great events, really putting thought into it and everything like that as well.
54:02
So it's really good to see.
54:04
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