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Stephen Chong - The Afterlife · Destination Unlimited with Victor Fuhrman

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My name is Victor Furman. Some call me the Voice. I've always been
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fascinated with human nature, spirituality, science and the crossroads at which they meet.
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Join me now and we will explore these topics and so much more with
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fascinating guests, authors and experts who will guide us to Destination Unlimited. Can
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an NDE near death experience open a portal to our understanding of the afterlife?
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My guest this week on Destination Unlimited, author, speaker and personal development workshop
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creator and trainer Stephen Chung, had an NDE in twenty nineteen that opened his
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awareness of what happens when we leave this earthly play. Stephen's unique talent as
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a storyteller are exemplified within his first six novels as he enables readers to build
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the bridge to their fullest potential through the gift of story. He lives with
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his family in Far North Queensland, Australia. His website is Stephen Chong dot
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com dot au and he joins me this week to share his experience and just
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published book, The Afterlife A Journey Too. Please join me in welcoming to
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Destination Unlimited Stephen Chong. Welcome, Stephen, Good morning, to old good
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evening, Victim morning where I am, but thank you for having me on
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your program. My pleasure to have you. Stephen. Please share with our
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listeners your early path and how it led to the work and wisdom you bring
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to our world. Oh my goodness, is one start my backgriend, Victor.
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I'm an author of some six books now, about just over three years
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ago, I had what you would certainly call a profound awakening experience. I
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had. I'd stopped writing. I've had enough, I said to the universe,
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I'm done, I'm getting old, I'm gray haired and blah blah blah.
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So i'd stopped. My understanding is you didn't start writing till you were
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fifty. Is that correct? That's correct? Yes, yes, And what
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have you been doing prior to that time, Sir Victor, I've been an
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educator, a trainer of people, a coach. Over the years. I'd
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say, now one enters the twilight of one's life, and now it's just
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books, particularly this latest one. The other now you used to used to
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create workshops. Tell us about those workshops. Oh oh yes. One of
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the inherent talents not I have is to be able to design coaching and training
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for people and personal development, help them grow. That's been a part of
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my DNA for thirty years. And the books, as as you mentioned,
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starting when I was fifty, so that I was a late bloomer from a
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writing point of view. Absolutely, Let's actually share with us some of your
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earlier books and screenplays, a little of each and what inspired them before we
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talk about your new book. So let's talk about the Book of Testaments,
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A Practical Guide for Spiritual Realization, which was written in two thousand and nine.
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Oh my goodness, you know, you know it's a victor. You
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know yourself. When you write a book, it's like giving birth to a
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beautiful child. But I look back on my earlier works with I've got to
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tell you with a bit of a creeze, you think, oh my god,
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my goodness, where did that come from? But ultimately, each of
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the books I've written for people to recognize their own truth, to give them
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the way withal some ideas and tips that I know work, and then they
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can include in their own life to make life a better place for them.
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I mean, that's my DNA. That's been part of me too. And
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after the Book of Testaments, the Music of the soul a pathway to a
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rich and fulfilling life. Yes, I'll tell you a story with that.
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It's very interesting. I was about, as I recall, about a third
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of the way through that book, writing of that book, and I've got
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this image in my head of two ducks sitting on a pond talking to one
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another. And I know what, where does it come from? But I
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learned to trust those images and from that and I just listened to the dialogue
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of these two talking to one another, and that that image and what the
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and the ducks their whole story unfolded and unfolded into the next book and the
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one after that, and into two or three screenplayers that I've written. So
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that's that simple image of these ducks sitting on a pond evolved into this wonderful
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story of generations of ducks and their families and their trials and tribulations. I
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must ask you to Australian ducks speak with an Australian accent. I hope not.
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I would assume Victor that my my accent is not too troubling. No,
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not at all. I'm just being funny. That's all trying to be
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funny. And so we're not going to go very good. And then then
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came Letters Across Time, a Journey of enlightenment. Yes, yes, yes,
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yes, And that that book, Victor was again based on the continuum
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of the story of the Two Ducks, and it was profoundly based on loss
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and grief and how to cope through you know, the loss of blessed children
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and death. Basically how to how to manage that that grief process. But
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you know, the interesting thing is Victoria will talk about with the latest book
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A lot of this stuff. I don't know where it comes from. Its
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kind of just there it comes out and their divine gifts. So that's yes.
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So now in twenty nineteen you had a near death experience, Please share
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with us what happened. Oh my goodness, you can't see, Victor,
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but just behind me. That's what you do when you get into your sixties.
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Did you get up on the roof and you cleaned out the gutthers?
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So I'm I'm seventy and I do the same thing, So we'll see there
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you go. Look, if I ever did it again, it wouldn't be
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a near death experience. It would be a death experience because my wife would
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kill me. Absolutely. But I've I'm five meters above ground and the ladder
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slipped and I'm in a crumpled mess on the ground. The ladder's gone through
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all these lub windows we have on the side of the house, and I'm
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on ground and I can't fear anything. I'm sort of numb from neck down.
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I thought I'm in trouble here. But most fortunately, in this particular
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morning, my wife was here. And now we're very remote where we are.
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There's nobody, no near neighbors three or four hundreds as the closest one.
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So if my wife wasn't here on that morning, i'd be I would
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not be sitting here talking to you, to be all over. But here
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we stand, and you know, I had fractured my neck and I was
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three or four months in rehabilitation, not good for anything much except lying on
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a couch. But that's when the let's call them the Revelation started to write
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this book, The Afterlife. I had the title going through my head and
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I thought that leave me alone. I'm done. I don't want to do
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anymore. But the universe says their want was so compelling, and I said,
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okay, you whatever it is you want me to write I'm in.
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I'll do it, but you you have to show me the afterlife. What
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do I know? I know nothing, but you know, Victor Wynn.
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After I had bought into that process, I sat with fingers and keyboards.
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Okay, I'm listening. I started to see and I heard the music,
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saw the colors, and this is all in heaven. So it's all going
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on upstairs. But and I'm seeing through this character's eye what he's seeing in
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heaven. It was it was akin to a like a scenic bayway to a
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through the heavenly realms. So I'm seeing through this character designs where he's taking
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me. It was extraordinarily profound. And would you say that this was a
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channeled work, Victor. I've been I set a number of times. I
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don't sit comfortably with the with channeling up. I'm just a regular dude,
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you know, I'm certain gifts. And but it was it was akin to
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tuning in. It's like like the frequency dial on a radio. I would
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sit, I would listen, I would trust implicitly that the words would come.
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See. I hadn't that. There was no storyboard, there was no
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structure. I just sat and each time I sat, I sort of tuned
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in, cut out distractions. I knew that the words would be there,
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the divine would provide. That was inherent, and every time I sat it
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came, the next bit came through. I had no idea where were,
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no idea where we were going. So you would say this was an inspired
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work. Oh yes, oh yes, a great gift absolutely, the one
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that I'm eternally grateful for. But the key was the saying yes to the
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divine, yes, I will do this, and then the gifts were provided.
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If that makes sense. I mean, I guess some people can call
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it membership or channeling. I guess you could the woods even a kind of
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archaic Gothic in many in many ways. So it's not me writing. It's
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not the way I speak and way I think. But that's say I'm just
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taking dictation basically from what I saw and heard. You know, I share
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that experience with you. I've had this thing throughout my life. I did
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not have a near death experience in the way that you did, but the
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sense that every time I've had a message and said yes to that message.
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And I'm not claiming the source is my source, whatever it might be.
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You know, I too think of the source as the divine. But every
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time I said yes, the next door would open, and yes, and
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the next door would open. And if I acknowledging, yeah, by acknowledging,
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by acknowledging those messages, the things that started proceeding and following were just
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marvelous and wonderful and all of them had purpose. Yes, isn't that fantastic?
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Yeah, that's it. That describes it exactly. Yeah. Absolutely.
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Now let's talk about some of the things that happened when you had that experience
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and some of the things that came through you. First of all, tell
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our listeners how you wrote this book, the way the story is told.
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Okay, so I'm telling I'm telling you so as I mentioned before, I'm
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saying through this main character as ours. So he's taking me through these different
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levels of heaven. I'm just describing what I'm seeing and hearing and feeling.
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But the character, main character, just as a bit of background, he
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as a child, this character was abused under the auspices of the clergy,
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and a little bit later in life, he took he took his own life,
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and he was stuck in these mists purgatry. Let's called them the mists.
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So he stuck there by virtue of his anger, his grief, and
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his shamed the consequential of his life. So he was stuck there at and
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he by virtue of a relationship he formed with the Bishop of the Sea under
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who's in susions he was abused, and the forgiveness of one another, that
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released them both from this purgatory. And then that both characters evolved through the
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heavenly realms. And this is but he was, his character was first he
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was stuck in these in these miss this purgatory, and then released by virtue
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of forgiveness, he was able to offer a significant other. So that's how
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that's how it starts. But I've got to tell you something really interesting.
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And you know, when you write a book, and when you write it
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and you edit and you read it a hundred times. I was some months
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after I had finished the writing process, and these voices in my head saying,
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Stephen, you need to read the thing again. You're missing something.
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What? So I read it again, this time with I guess more open
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eyes. And what I discovered in the in the body of the text.
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Embedded in some of the texts were these laws of heaven and nerve laws by
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which we can live by. I thought, wow, this is far and
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I I found fifteen of them, which was quite amazing. A bit that
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I say. This is two or three months after the book had been completed,
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and we're going to discuss those laws a little later on in the reunion
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that are in the interview. But let's talk now a bit about purgatory.
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What was purgatory like? What was that like? Oh, my goodness,
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let me maybe the best, you know, I'll describe what I saw.
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So the characters are in the So we passed through upon death. The silver
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cord that connects us, our physical body to the eternal soul is seven,
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so we can't return, unlike an NDE where of course you know that that
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chord is not allowed to come back and report back. But upon death we
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pass into these into these myths or this purgatory, and they're in law the
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time of our life review, so we we are confronted with the self.
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We we the law of cause and effect comes into place, and what we
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have done to our fellow men cause us to affect our well go in heaven.
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So it's it's the mirror of reflection that our life review, where we
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see what we've done and how we've affected and influenced others. The the other
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thing about understand about this purgatory is one of the laws is the Emperor wears
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no clothes. So what whatever your station we're being, king or prince or
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pauper, matters thought. It is what we have done to others that that
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determines our our place in heaven and the road we take, which is really
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I'm seeing seeing all of this stuff as I'm writing it. But the the
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other thing that I saw, if you can imagine these beautiful mists, and
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souls are exiting these these mists and moving into heaven. And what I saw
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was that these souls are clothed in these multi hue colored robes. If you
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could multiply by ten the colors of the rainbow. So some souls are exiting
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these mists with these beautiful bright golden white robes, like neck neck, neck
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to toe robes. This is what I was seeing, and others were wo
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I described like dark Hessian, you know, not black, but really darkened
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robes. And the color, as I understand it, the color of the
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robes describes the road you take into the heavenly realm. So if one is
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clothed in golden white orbs, then obviously you move up. If if if
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if one, if your robes are somewhat darker, then it's a path uniquely
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yours. No other can intervene. You have to follow the path as designated
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coming through these these miss supergritory. And almost part of it almost sounds like
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the color of the robe, for example, the white and gold versus the
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dark as a higher frequency. Is that correct? Correct? Absolutely? What
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I saw in one instance was a character coming through these mists, and she
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was dressed in dark hession around and she tried valiantly by I guess you're somewhat
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deluted. She thought she was quite angelic or divine, and she tried to
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move up these roads into these higher reschelands, but she couldn't. It was
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not permitted. She had to follow the road as designated by her life review
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in the mists. That the analogy for me, Victor comes, is like
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Jesus the Grandmaster said, I go to prepare a house for you. That
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analogy for me says, you know, what you've done in your life determines
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your where you go in heaven, and it's not to me what I understood
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it is not eternal, but rather the judgment of the mists or heaven is
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not vindictive or eternal, but probation and remedial. So we continue to evolve
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in whatever leven we go to. You know, it's an old story,
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an old humorous story that I heard many years ago about this very very pious
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religious figure, a priest or someone a religious leader. And he transitions and
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he's met at the gates of heaven by Saint Peter, and Saint Peter says,
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welcome to Heaven. We've been expecting you. You're such a wonderful,
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wonderful man, and you've led such an exemplary life, and I'm going to
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escort you to your heavenly home. And he takes them to this little humble
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cottage and he opens the door and it's very ornate and beautiful, but very
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small and very comfortable. And then the priest says, it looks up the
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hill. And he says, listen, I'm not complaining or asking or measuring
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myself against anything else or anyone else, but who is that mansion belonged to
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up the hill? And he said, Saint Peter says, that's a lawyer's
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home. We have so few up here that we give them must houses.
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My guests, You go, we've missed that calling, haven't we. We
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missed that calling. That's correct, my guest to Stephen Chong. His book
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is called The Afterlife a Journey. To Stephen, please tell our listeners where
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they can get your books and find out more about you and your amazing work.
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Victor thank you as I understand it. Now. The the kindle version
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of the book is available on Amazon, so people can get on there and
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just google The Afterlife of Journey two and you'll find it. The paperback hardcover
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version is coming out on the twenty sixth of May, so I guess that's
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probably the best place for people to access the book. Or they can get
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onto my website which is ww dot Stephen Chong, Stephen with the pH Chong
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dot com dot au and yeah, there's links on there that people again can
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access, they purchase, and we'll be back with more of Steve and The
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Novas the New Voice back on Destination Unlimited. My guest this week is Stephen
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Chong. His book is called The Afterlife A Journey Too. So you and
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I are stuck in purgatory. Tell us about life reviews. Do you have
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life reviews in purgatory? Yes, indeed we do. Um what what I?
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What I saw their Victor as as as mentioned is this is where the
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laws of heaven, or one of the laws of heaven coming into place.
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Is what do you say? So shall you reap? And what you?
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What you? What you have done to another, you do to yourself?
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Because we are one in spirit, we you and I are one in spirits.
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So if I do something bad to you to cause you some harm,
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then I need to look in that mirror of reflection. I'm pretty sure that
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that's the way. Well, that's what I saw and that's the way it
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works. And then upon exiting these myths into heaven, we are, as
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mentioned before, we are robed in these colors that determine our station within the
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levels of heaven. And as I understand it, that other souls can look
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at these colors of our robes and know exactly what our needs are to love
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and nurture and support that particular soul. So again, this was quite a
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profound experience to see and experience all of this. Absolutely, are there people
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who get stuck there? You talked about the ones in the darker robes.
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Do they stay there longer or do they advance? Yes? I think that's
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very that's absolutely correct. This particular character, through whose eyes saying he by
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virtue, as I mentioned before, by virtue of his anger, in his
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guilt and his shame for what happened in his life. He was stuck in
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these myths, in this purgatory, and it was only the levels of forgiveness
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he could find in himself that released him into the wider levels of heaven.
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Forgiveness was the key. Forgiveness was he absolute key that unlocked his ability to
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move through into the higher levels of heaven. And that forgiveness was self forgiveness
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yes, yes, and forgiveness of others. He as a story evolved,
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he was able to forgive the The other character may make character was the bishop
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of the See who presided over the abuse in the clergy. So he was
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able to give this character for his negligence, and that released him to these
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higher levels of heaven. So, in essence, the golden rule which is
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found in Judaism and Christianity and Islam, and the iterations of a similar vein
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in other faiths and religions, if everyone practice that, there would be no
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needs in purgatory. How fantastic is that? Yes? Yes, if if
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if one knew the consequences, the eternal consequences of one's actions in life,
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to know that you would go through these what you have cause to affect in
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another If I'd tell if I'd do bad things to you, I've got to
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know that that doesn't fall upon you, it falls upon me. I've got
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to wear the consequences of those actions. So if you, if if one
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knows that that got to turn us from here and action, sure surely doesn't
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it to give pause to anything that was going to hurt somebody else before we
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leave purgatory, I have to ask if you're willing to share what your faith
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based was prior to this experience. It's a very interesting question I had no
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answered. I guess I consider myself well connected spiritually. I've been um,
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I've been gifted, I've had My mother just passed last week. So sorry,
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Yes, it was quite traumatic, but she was the guiding line and
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a gift beyond measure for my spiritual progress. To put it that way.
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But I'm not linked into any particular faith or creed or religion. No,
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no, but spiritually attuned. Yes, absolutely, And as I shared,
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if everyone followed that basic rule, and what world we would be no reason
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for purgatory. Well there you go. There isn't that isn't that amazing?
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Yes? Yes, just living by these simple rules it changes apple. So
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we've practiced forgiveness, we've departed purgatory, and then a series of regions and
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Sue, please tell us about the healing arena. Oh my goodness. Oh,
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I want to picture the Colosseum in rhyme again. This is what what
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I'm seeing. So I'm I'm walking towards a huge auditorium, this colosseum,
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and it is filled with so many souls, multi colored hues, colors beyond
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the imagine, and they're chanting that it's the own sound, and that's reverberating
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around this arena. Yea. And in the middle of this arena sit these
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recliner lounges and in walks these beautiful, these seraphum angels, and they've they've
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got there in charge of these decrepit souls. They're deformed and disabled, and
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they are brought onto these lounges and these loungers kind of mold into the soul.
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Now mind you, I'm just single this right, this is what I'm
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what I'm saying. And into the middle then of this arena comes Angelic being
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just beautiful white and gold, and he lifts his hands up and he starts
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to mold the energy of the chant of all the souls in this arena.
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And it's like he's holding his hands up and he's got this ball of energy
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that's spinning in his hands. And and from this called the magnetic coral,
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comes his piercing light, laser light that goes into their souls on these recliner
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lounges, and from that these souls are healed they're totally renewed. So and
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they get up from the lounge and they're just light perfectly, do I discover,
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and then the magnetic coral folds back into this angel's hands. In any
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exits here, it almost sounds to me like heavenly energy healings, like heavenly
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reck you. Yes, yes, yes, that's that's exactly what it was.
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But what I understand when I was writing, I'm just writing what I'm
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seeing. But what I understood subsequently is this is where souls are brought to
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be renewed from their melodies and their illnesses that are imposed by others. If
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that makes sense, So that it wasn't a renewal for what they had done,
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but what others had done to them. So if, for example,
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the way I understand it, so if I did something bad to you,
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if I gave you some bad medicine and that caused you consider your physical and
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spiritual body a great deal of harm, then you are renewed from that.
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Let's take those burdens are taken away, and I the do were that cause
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you that pain and suffering, then I'm by a need to suffer the consequences
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of those actions. But new those burdens are taken away. That that was
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my understanding of what the healing arena does quite negnificent. And then after the
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healing arena you talk about vnether regions. For my goodness, if this again,
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this is what I saw so I was taken, then if you could
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imagine a desolate landscape of the say I've been burnt by fire and the smell
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of the ash that were taken through this area into these huge portals, this
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big forbidding door opens up and I enter, and I've got a guide to
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you, so just taking me through this area. And what I saw were
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these huge bordices, spinning borticesies, and in the bordies bordices were these entrapped
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souls. Souls that could you know that were caught in these in these huge
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energy traps, and agave what I understand It wasn't this is not God's judgment
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for being a bad person, but rather these souls are entrapped by choice.
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So the empower, lust, inn bey, greed, gluttony, wrath,
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the seven deadly scenes I will, so souls are entrapped by choice into these
34:35
hellish vortices. And what I saw was like there were some were trying to
34:39
escape, but pulled down by others to stay in this, in these vortices
34:45
of power. But surrounding each of these vortices with these beautiful angelic beings,
34:53
and I remember what are they doing? And what I understand is as soon
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as the soul is able to repent, to relinquish, lose that entrapment of
35:08
choice, they are taken from these vortices and then nurtured under the guiding,
35:14
loving hands as a father. So they're then taken away by these alogetic things.
35:19
But to me it was if it wasn't a version of hell, that
35:22
would frighten the pants off you, I can understand. And then after another
35:30
Regions is the abode of reunion? What makes this region so special? Oh
35:36
my goodness, it's another one. Let me let me describe what I saw.
35:40
So I'm standing with the master soul, a guide, if you will,
35:46
and looking over this expense, and the expanse of like lawn or garden
35:54
had all these souls on it. And next to the expanse were the mists
36:00
that you know, the mist pergetory. And over these mysts were all souls
36:07
coming to visit, and they were attached by the silver cord, What the
36:15
what is? What is this begin? The vote of reunion is where when
36:22
when so, like earthbound people us, will we sleep our soul convention over
36:30
to this and meet up with other souls who guide and assist and help us.
36:38
And the bridge is love. So if we have love connections to somebody
36:44
who's passed over, when we sleep, the soul can go over it nurture
36:51
to get advice, get support, and then they of course, when the
36:54
body wakes up, the soul returns to its host. But that that was
37:00
what I saw as the abode of reunion. So when we sleep, our
37:05
souls can go visit someone we love to give us guidance and assistance. Is
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this something that requires the attention of the living? I think so, Victor.
37:17
I think the key is to connect with love. In my recent experience
37:23
with my mom, I know this to be true, that love connection is
37:29
so strong. Then we can, like before we go to sleep, ask
37:32
a question like Mom, how do I fix this? What do I need
37:37
to do? And I think that's the key. Then then then you know,
37:45
we fly over these mysts and get support. That's what I saw.
37:50
Absolutely. One of the lovely regions you share is the school for children?
37:55
Why is this place so special? Got Hannaba described this, when this beautiful
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build I walked into this beautiful building, well got taken into this beautiful building.
38:09
And if you if you imagine alabaster, marble colonnades, that sort of
38:16
building. And when I walked into this edifice, the love I felt was
38:25
just totally extraordinary. I can even feel it now. I got chills.
38:32
So in this place is where children, young souls that are passed early from
38:43
the earth realm are brought to nurture by the Father. Through the love of
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the Father, that no no child is left two wallow. Every child that
38:57
is taken in their younger years from the earth is nurtured to their prime by
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a love so profound that I can barely describe it to you. Yeah,
39:09
And that what I saw going through this building was you know, younger souls,
39:15
but they're also little fledglings in young babes in arms, and that they
39:19
were nurtured by these beautiful awaiting souls and brought to their prime in the heavenly
39:27
realm. So that it was a school for children, and that would give
39:32
great comfort to those who parents bereaved, parents who have lost children. Absolutely
39:38
absolutely, as I meant, you know, if I could better describe the
39:45
love I felt when I walked into this this building, it was extraordinary.
39:51
So for those for your listeners out there that have God forbid that you know
39:57
the grief one would feel, but to know that that young soul is so
40:04
nurtured in the love of the Father, I can merely describe it to you.
40:07
Beautiful, beautiful, tell us about the great Hall of Learning or my
40:13
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40:22
alabaster, that sort of construction, large steel ways and culronates. So
40:27
I get taken into this hall of learning, like I guess akin to the
40:32
Akashic records, so we're all all knowledge past and present resides to be able
40:39
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40:45
far was taken into this building and he was shown knowledge that would help him
40:53
progress for his future involvement for what he wanted to hear others because of the
41:00
districy he suffered in his loss. He said, I want to help people.
41:05
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Welcome out in Machines. Back on Destination Unlimited. My guest this week Stephen
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Chung. His book is entitled The Afterlife a Journey Too. So we were
44:45
talking about this various regions that you had seen and experienced and had come through
44:50
to you. And there is even a school for guardian angels that you call
44:54
the Spirit Guide School. Who becomes these guides and what do they learn?
45:00
Ah, that's that's a very good question. I tell you, Victor again,
45:06
what I saw so again, taken into one of those beautiful buildings I
45:08
mentioned before, And and it was like a big lecture hall. And these
45:15
souls were being instructed by master master souls or angels if you will, on
45:22
how to become our guardian angels. So of what I understand these we each
45:30
or everybody has a guardian angel or two and they are instructed specifically on how
45:42
to be guardian angels. I guess, and and and they were the main
45:51
characters were through the instructions that they received, were able to transit across back
45:59
down to characters beings on Earth. They helped them out, to guide them,
46:05
to save them from trouble. But that was what the school was there
46:10
for, to instruct guardian angels on how to be good guardian angels. And
46:17
were the the teachers that learned or studied in the school. Were they actually
46:22
all angels or were some of them actually human souls that were evolving? Again
46:30
a good question. There was a what I saw was a master guardian angel.
46:37
He who was who an ancient soul who who'd been guardian too many many
46:44
beings on Earth, So don't ask me time frames. I don't didn't see
46:49
any of that. But this mark, I guess just called him a master,
46:54
and he was the one instructing these other other souls in how to perform
47:00
their duties. Now, you had mentioned earlier about the laws of heaven and
47:06
earth. You had mentioned about the law of forgiveness as being a very important
47:09
one. Please give us some other examples of how these laws are by and
47:15
late and after late. Well, let let me pick a cup of it.
47:21
Number one. It's a good place to start. Fear not, you
47:24
are never without the love of the Father. And if we if we know
47:32
that releases it takes away that fear, doesn't it to know that the heavenly
47:37
Father was with us at all times, we are never absently his love.
47:44
Absolutely? Let me give you another one associated with here we go number seven.
47:54
In your life review, all shall be revealed, no thought or action
48:02
insignificant, all re member to record. No one's head around that. Let
48:12
me ask Let me just ask one thing. When we when we clear that
48:15
life review, is the slate cleaned or is it just lessons learned? And
48:20
then you move on to the next move on? Yes, no, it's
48:23
it's now that's my understanding. It doesn't what the slate clean. We still
48:29
have to undergo the to evolve. I mean, in my understand what I
48:34
saw Victor was there were souls that were like resident. You could stay where
48:39
you were, and that was perfectly okay by the father. Yeah, you
48:44
would totally loved by these heavenly angelic beings. But if you wish to evolve,
48:51
if you chose to evolve, you need to experience. And in heaven,
48:58
as I understand it, there is this is not time base that we
49:01
evolve through experience. So the soul chooses then, too, to evolve through
49:08
the different levels, to release the burdens of of lifely trials, so cleanse,
49:19
in other words, so to move. There was an instance which I
49:22
recall that the main character Athar is standing on the precipice and he's looking across
49:30
his great chasm and he sees the gates. The pearls is beautiful, bright,
49:36
open, totally open gates, and he's he's looking at these gates and
49:43
going, I would like to go there. You know, I can't go.
49:45
I'm not going back. It was too painful not going back there.
49:51
I go forward. But he's looking into this chasm and he goes, if
49:54
I've taken next step, I'm down in this crevice. So he takes he
50:00
takes a leap of faith and he moves forward, and of course there's a
50:06
bridge that links him to the other side, and this leap of faith enabled
50:10
him to move into the next level of heaven. If you will, Is
50:16
there one law of heaven and earth that you really resonate with personally? Oh,
50:22
that's a good question. The one that stands out is number four.
50:32
I look at them here, I've got them listed in front of me.
50:37
The number four teens says, lead thou me on to me, that's just
50:43
totally profound. You know, we put our hands in the Father's hands to
50:49
know that he's going to take us where we're meant to be. We trust
50:53
implicitly that the Father is there. We know that when we call upon him
51:00
and his change angelic foughts is that we are we are in his guiding hands.
51:06
That to me is one of the most profound. I have to ask
51:08
you a question. I'm playing the feminist advocate right now. You see the
51:13
father and him. Is the Father actually maw masculine or is it without without?
51:19
I use that, bye bye, it's a good question. I use
51:22
that by limitation of language. Okay, yes, no, no, no,
51:25
This is the Finland, the mother, father and the mother. That's
51:28
good. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, oh absolutely absolutely
51:31
absolutely. Let me ask you, what did you learn about yourself as you
51:36
wrote this, oh, Nadirin Lis another really interesting question, um, And
51:44
I mentioned before Victor in this past week, I've I've I've lost my blessed
51:49
mother, um. And what what it's meant is this book taught me so
51:58
many things. So I had not not understanding and knowledge of what happens to
52:05
us when when we pass on, even at that stage I have now I
52:10
have no fear in the passing. I know we're some good things on some
52:15
balty things too, but I know where I go. But now having my
52:23
mom passed, who was as I mentioned before, SI's sold And I'm so
52:30
grateful for the knowing. I know exactly where she's gone. I know exactly
52:36
where she is in the heart, and I can access that love all the
52:40
time. So that's to me such a profound and it's it's now experiential.
52:49
I can feel and experience it rather than just know it, if that makes
52:52
sense. Absolutely, and as we both know, grieving and bereavement is unique
52:59
to eat and every individual. There's no right way or wrong way. But
53:02
the message that you're bringing is that in that grief there's comfort that we can
53:07
connect with those who have passed, Absolutely no doubt, and to know that
53:13
that that the love you see, love is the bridge and cannot be undone
53:20
as long as it remains strong and true. So that love bond, the
53:25
bond links us to that soul who's passed, and you know they're there all
53:34
the time, so one conneccess that love. Um Whenever when love gets a
53:39
bit tough, as it has its want, you know, we just connect
53:43
into that love that is there all the time and we listen and feel for
53:47
its response. Absolutely, I have to share that I have total compassion for
53:54
what you're going through right now with the loss of your mother. My mother
53:57
passed in January twenty twenty, and a very interesting thing happened. A couple
54:01
of weeks after she passed. I was having a moment of rather intense grief.
54:08
I started feeling the sensation as if someone were placing their hands above my
54:14
head on my scalp and gently besaging my scalp, and I knew that touch.
54:19
It was my mother's touch. Isn't that amazing? How good is that?
54:24
I've got to tell you that exact same experience happened to me. Kid,
54:30
you not, I'm sitting in out a month past. I'm sitting in
54:34
meditation. You know, I'm open to the I'm accessing degreef I'm saying,
54:39
if there's a grief in there, let it come out and tearsful full.
54:44
And I felt her hands clasped me like over the years and like a rub
54:50
or just hold me there. And it was the same as you say,
54:53
most profound, beautiful experience. Absolutely my guest Stephen John his book The Afterlife
55:01
A Journey to Stephen one more Time. Please share with our listeners where they
55:07
can get your books and find out more about you and your amazing work.
55:10
You. Probably the best way to access this is via my website at ww
55:15
dot Stephen Chung dot com dot au and that's Stephen with a phum. So
55:23
there's links to the Afterlife The Journey too on there as well as the other
55:28
books. If if people say wish or they can just get onto Amazon is
55:35
the e book is available and as mentioned before, the paperback is coming out
55:40
in a couple of weeks, so they're they're the best places they can access
55:45
the work and if people want to drop me a line. This is you
55:47
know, email links there so they can contact me if they wish. Happy
55:52
to deepen my gratitude on behalf of the listeners for joining us and sharing this
55:58
story and but very very very positive and loving message that it brings. Victor,
56:02
I thank you very much and much appreciate you're having on your program and
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thank you for joining us on Destination Unlimited. I'm Victor the Voice Furman.
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Have a wonderful week.