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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed R&D Officer From MCC (Part 4) (5/9/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna dive right back
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  into the interview given by the unnamed R and D
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  officer from MCC to the OIG inspectors. Question, Okay, so
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  for these people that were on this pre remove, does
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  that mean at eight thirty eight pre remove that he
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  was taken off of the institutional account? Answer? Yes, question okay,
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  and is there I do see a few pre removes
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  on there though? Answer? Uh huh. Question is there anybody
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  on there that went to court that wasn't listed as
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  a pre remove? Answer? I don't know. Question You can't
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  tell by looking at that, all right, so that basically
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  doesn't tell us anything about him being wab or not.
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  Answer right, I can't tell you who went to court.
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  Question Okay, we just need to get that court list.
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  So just to clarify some of that list as pre
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  remove can come back? Answer cant question ken c an
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  they could come back to the institution. Answer if he
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  got another charge and the marshals brought him back. Question
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  but okay, so if there is a pre remove, that
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  means he's gone and he's not expected to come back.
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  Answer correct question. Okay, all right, I did miss that.
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  All right, So when you list them as pre removed,
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  he's going to court, he's not expected to come back.
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  Answer correct question. So at eight thirty eight, Reyes was
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  gone and not expected to return. Answer yes, question. Okay, Now,
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  is the Marshal supposed to send over a confirmation that
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  he's not coming back because you mentioned something about the
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  being keyed as something different when they are officially gone,
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  like they're off the books. Answer No, this would be
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  officially off the books a pre remove. But what the
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  question was, what I know at the time was he WAB.
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  I would only know that if I looked at the
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  court list at the time, then I can determine that. Okay, yeah,
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  we keyed him out that way because he was leaving
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  with all of his belongings. Or no, we keyed him
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  out that way because we got a disposition later and
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  it stated that he wasn't coming back. I can't just
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  say just by looking at this, oh well, we keyed
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  him out that way because he was WAB. Now I
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  can look at this GCT release and this full term
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  release or the treaty transfer and tell you that these
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  were guys that were getting full term release from the jail,
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  and they were not coming back. But and I can
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  also say that he's not coming back. But I can't
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  tell you why he was pre removed. I don't know
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  the circumstances of why he was pre removed. I would
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  have to go back to his folder, look in his folder,
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  pull up his documents of why they keyed him out.
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  I can't just say, oh, yeah, because he left with
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  all of his belongings, Oh it was court, I can't.
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  She gets caught off by the investigator. So you can't
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  tell that, But you can tell eight thirty eight he
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  left and was not expected to return. Answer yes, question, Okay,
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  So that's basically the same thing. So anybody that knew
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  that Reyes was gone at eight thirty eight, like he
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  was new was very unlikely to return. Answer. Everybody don't
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  have Everybody doesn't have a look at this. So if
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  you don't have a reason to look at this, you're
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  not going to look at it. And everybody she gets
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  cut off by the investigator. But anybody that had, for
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  whatever reason you used to quote him out like that,
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  they would have had the core list and they would
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  have had the same They would have known the reason
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  why he was leaving though correct answer right question, and
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  that he wasn't expected to return answer right question. So okay.
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  So not specifically that document, but what you used to
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  key him out they would know answer uh huh question
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  so okay. So based upon the fact that he was
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  pre removed by R and D, for instance, the unit
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  he came from, the special housing unit, they should have
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  known he left and he was very likely not returning.
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  Answer They wouldn't know that. The officers on the unit
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  would not know that question even if they had the
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  court list, and that's where they're grabbing them from. Answer.
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  If let me tell you something, I'm trying to figure
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  out how to say this. Everybody that reads a document,
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  they don't know what they're reading. Question okay, answer. Everybody
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  that pulls up centry does not know how to read
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  a century document. So I can't say yes that they
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  should know that or no question. If they knew how
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  to read the court list, they would know answer yes,
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  question I got you. I mean, you can't certainly say
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  he knew that because you don't even know who we're
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  talking about. Answer right question. But I'm just saying like
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  the information would have been on there if they knew
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  how to interpret it. Answer yeah. Question Okay, we might
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  have covered this already, but if we wanted to go
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  back and retrieve that court document, like get a copy,
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  what's the best way we can do that. Answer? You
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  probably need to get with the Marshalls because they're the
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  ones that create the list that they sent to us
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  an order for production. Question are you aware if they're
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  retaining it or not? Answer? I don't know nothing about
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  what they do with their list. Question no problem. Now
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  after reviewing that, do you know if that deli log,
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  if the court document, the court list is used to
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  update the lieutenant's log. Answer yeah, question and the deli
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  log answer right. Question Okay, we covered this and the
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  d DEAI log. The entries that are made on it.
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  Is it made at the time it's keyed in or
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  is it? Can it be edited later? Answer? When you
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  say edited, what do you mean? Question? Can someone go
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  in a couple hours later and key in saying, hey, listen,
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  this person left at eight thirty eight? Answer? I don't
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  think so, because everybody that actually, you have a certain
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  time frame two key in mates in, and you have
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  a certain time frame to key in mates out. Question
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  and what's that timeframe answer if inmates, But sometimes an
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  R and D we don't always get to sit down
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  at the computer right then and there and key them
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  out because we're dealing with marshalls. We're walking out with
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  one guy. We still have somebody else we might have
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  to strip out. We're dealing with this, we're dealing with
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  the phone. When an inmate it's being released, you're supposed
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  to keep them out right then and there, but you
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  have to do a minimum of at least I think
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  it's an hour or two hours to key somebody in
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  that's coming in to the institution. But like I said,
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  just looking at this, it just tells you the time
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  he was keyed out. I don't know if he was
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  picked up earlier and already taken to the courthouse, then
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  he was keyed out pre removed after. I can't answer that.
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  I don't know. I can't answer that question. Now, thinking
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  back to the possibility that you were working in R
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  and D that day, do you recall if he was
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  removed or not that day and what time he was removed? Answer?
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  I don't recall. I just know that when they talked
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  about the inmate, they had brought up the inmate and
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  that's when you know, we realized, oh that was the
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  guy that went to court and didn't come back. Question
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  where can the daily log be found or accessed? Answer
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  sentry question and who would have access to it? Answer?
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  Mainly everybody in the institution? Question everyone can access it?
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  Can everyone make changes on it? Answer? No, you can't
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  make changes on this question? Who can make changes on that? Answer?
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  You cannot make changes to this question? So that is
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  basically the key in information. Answer. This is like a tracker.
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  It just shows you all the moves and when it
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  was moved, when the person was moved. So this you
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  cannot just change. Only thing you can do is put
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  in what you want. It's just a log. It just
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  pulls up a log. So this is not nothing you
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  can change. No question, What about the lieutenant's log? Who
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  would have access to that? Answer the lieutenants question? Does
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  anyone else have access? Answer? Maybe the captain question? Where
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  can it be access from? Answer to the lieutenant's office
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  question can it be access from control? Answer? I don't
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  know about now, but at that time? No question. Okay,
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  do you recall if you reviewed the daily log that day? Answer? No,
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  I don't remember. Question and based on that it shows
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  that inmate Rays is pre removed. As per your understanding,
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  that means that he left the institution and he's not
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  coming back. Answer right. Question Okay, do you utilize the
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  Daily log as part of your job every day? Answer yes.
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  Question and how do you utilize it? Answer to make
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  sure that I key the inmate out that's out of
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  the institution. So account for how many inmates I keyed out.
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  That's what I use it for in R and D.
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  Question Okay, and you're not sure what shift you work,
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  but you believe that you worked in R and D
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  between eight and four or twelve and eight. Answer eight
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  to four or maybe I was only working two shifts
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  at the time. I'm doing twelve to eight now, but
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  it might have been eight to four or two to
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  ten one of those two hours between those two shifts,
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  because at one point I only strictly worked the evening shifts.
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  So question, when the inmates leave through R and D,
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  do you normally see them leaving through R and D?
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  Answer yes. Question do you recall having a conversation with
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  Reyes at all? Answer? I couldn't tell you if I
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  spoke with that man or not. I speak to so
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  many inmates, I don't know. Question Well, the better question
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  is if you indiscernible answer, I couldn't even tell you
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  what he looks like. Question. That's my next question. So
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  you wouldn't happen to know who Reyes he gets cut
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  off by the guard. I only would know who he
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  is by ideing him his name and his number and
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  his ID card when he comes on down. There's so
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  many inmates in here. I don't know. Question Now, when
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  did you become aware of Reyes being moved from the
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  MCC officially became aware? Answer? I think when he spoke
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  about when they when it was, you know, rumored that
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  the inmate, Oh, they put him in a cell by himself.
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  And when I heard about that, you know, I was like, oh, well, no,
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  his actual bunkie just didn't come back from court. Question
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  when did you hear about this? Was it the same day?
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  Was it in the evening? Answer? No, it was around
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  the same time when all the commotion was going on
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  after his passing. Question so this was the next day?
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  Answer pretty much? Yeah. Question do you recall if there
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  was any conversation in regards to the other investigator jumps in?
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  What is the day of his passing the day after
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  August ninth, I think is what you mean? Is that
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  what you mean? Answer? No, Like, during the time he passed,
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  you know, you know a lot of people were saying,
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  speculating though he was a suicidal person, he was placed
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  in a cell by himself. And that's when you know,
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  it was like, no, well, he did have a bunkie.
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  His cellmate went out to court. That's when we all
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  became aware of, you know, who a cell mate was.
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  Question and what conversations were had with regard to the
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  cell mate and leaving for court and not coming back
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  at that time. Answer. I don't think anyone was pretty
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  much aware that was his cell mate that didn't come back,
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  So I don't it was just that the conversation was, oh,
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  he was placed in a cell by himself, that was
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  what was speculated. Question Now, working in R and D,
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  when inmates do not come back from court, does R
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  and D then notify custody that these people didn't come back?
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  How does that work? Answer? The control center tracks who
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  got keyed out. The lieutenant they'll track who got keyed out,
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  and that's primarily it. Question. So R and D never
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  contacts either control or housing unit or the lieutenant saying, hey,
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  these are the people that went out and these are
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  the people that came back. These people are not coming back.
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  Answer no question. So R and D would not have notified,
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  for instance, the shoe saying Reyes didn't come back. Answer,
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  they would be not unless they called us to say
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  that they had a bad counter, they had a miscount
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  or something, or maybe the inmate left to court and
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  didn't come back. But no question, okay, because they A
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  lot of people have told us that they usually get
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  calls from R and D saying, hey, this guy didn't
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  come back. Answer. There are times that we do, like
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  if an inmate has property upstairs, we might say, hey, inmates,
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  so and so is not coming back pack up his property.
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  There have been times, yes, question, But in this case,
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  with him being pre removed, there would have been no
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  notification that would have been made by R and D
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  saying he didn't come back. Answer not if we didn't
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  need to no question, no, so would only be a
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  need to no basis because a lot of them were
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  saying like, hey, he was pre removed, but we don't
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  know if he's actually, you know, definitely removed and not
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  coming back. Until about four pm. Answer right, that's true,
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  and not even four pm, because there are times that
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  the judges the courts are late. Some inmates don't come
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  back until seven eight o'clock at night. Answer, well, they
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  did clarify that they said usually until four pm and
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  as late as eight pm. But in those instances, though,
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  R and D do in contact whomever and say, hey,
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  this guy didn't come back. Answer The only people that
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  would keep track of that would be the control center
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  and the lieutenant's office. You know, we key them out,
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  and whatever we key out, we send down to the
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  control center. So the control center has a copy of
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  who was keyed out, and they kind of go in
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  the system and check and see if the inmates were
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  a keyed out. It's like a checks and balances for
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  the institution because you might have an inmate on the
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  list showing that he left, but he's not keyed out
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  of the system. So they're supposed to be like checks
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  and balances for us upstairs as well. Question Okay, so
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  when people argue that they didn't know that Reyus wasn't
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  definitely coming back, how did they determine and at what
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  point do they determine he's not back? Epstein needs a
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  new cell mate. Answer. If they don't know he needs
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  to sell mate, nobody would know. Question. But if they
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  know he needs a sell mate, at what point did
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  they say, yeah, Reyus isn't coming back, we need to
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  get him a new cell mat Answer. I couldn't tell you,
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  because you don't know if the inmate. If you don't
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  know the inmate is come back, you don't know to say, hey,
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  so this so and so needs a cell mate. And
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  if you don't know, you just don't know. All right,
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  we're gonna wrap this one up right here, and in
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