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43: Unlock Deep Healing with Parts Work · Beyond the Facade with Choose Recovery Services and Blueprint Institute

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  Hey everybody, I've got Alana with me today and I am very
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  excited to talk to you about this question I have for you is
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  how many times have you demonized a part of yourself or
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  you're like, I hate this part of me.
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  I just needed to die, just go away.
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  And you recognize I can't get it to go away.
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  I I want it to go away, but I don't know how to.
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  A lot of people consider call it like their attic self or their
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  attic brain. We're going to talk about that
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  today. Welcome to Beyond the Facade
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  podcast. I'm your host, Luke Gordon, and
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  I'm thrilled to have you join me in the space today.
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  What we're going to be doing is diving deep into the trials and
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  triumphs and truths of seeking authenticity.
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  Becoming your true self isn't about a single action or a
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  moment. It's a relentless pursuit, a
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  commitment to self that reveals the rich connection and meaning
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  that our life has to offer. So whether?
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  This is your first time tuning in or you're a regular listener.
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  Know this, what you're building here goes beyond a conversation.
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  You're here to challenge, to change, and to celebrate the
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  incredible journey of becoming your authentic self.
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  Because when you dare to show up fully, the rewards are
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  immeasurable. So welcome to Beyond the Facade.
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  Let's get started. I'm really excited to talk about
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  this topic because Luke, as I've watched you and your journey,
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  you've done a lot of healing work and all of that healing
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  work has been good and each one has offer different elements.
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  But from an outsider's perspective, it really seems
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  like the parts work as you've dived in and found a therapist
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  who specialized in IFS and also who understand sexual addiction.
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  I've just seen such a, for lack of better word, just a deeper
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  healing that seems to be happening as you're doing this
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  type of work. Yeah, thanks for saying that.
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  I'm a little bit, frankly, there's been times after I did
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  this parts work stuff where I've been mad because I've been mad
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  that I didn't have this earlier in my journey.
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  Like I'm like, how many years am I in my journey?
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  And and then getting this later is very, very interesting.
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  Can I ask you, like when you say mad, what do you mean by that?
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  Yeah, thanks for saying that. Just like why didn't somebody
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  share this with me earlier? What the hell?
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  Like how did I go through this much of my journey and not have
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  this part, not have this information?
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  That's my story, that's my experience, that's what I've
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  done. But I didn't get this
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  information like 2 weeks in or three months in.
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  It took a while before I discovered parts work.
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  So, and the parts work can be so foundational because what it
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  really does is it helps you learn how to love yourself and
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  all the parts of you. And I have yet to work with an
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  individual who has had a pattern of sexual, sexual acting out.
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  I cannot talk today who doesn't at some level have some self
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  loathing or some self hatred. And so really healing comes
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  through loving ourselves, not hating ourselves.
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  So it's so foundational. And sometimes we really miss
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  this piece in the recovery work. Yeah, absolutely.
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  It's so easy. It doesn't make a lot of sense
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  when you first heard about it. OK.
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  So you want me to jump into it? Sure.
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  Yeah. Actually, no.
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  Can I just validate one thing for about partners?
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  Yeah, Please. Would you?
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  OK. Sometimes when you're in your
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  healing journey and you're in the beginning, and I'll say
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  like, I was so there as a betrayed partner.
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  I wanted somebody to come slap you on the wrist.
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  Actually, no. I wanted someone to hate you,
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  too. I wanted you to have that
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  accountability and it scared the crap out of me that somebody
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  would come and tell you, you need to learn how to love
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  yourself. You need to learn how to take
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  care of yourself. Because that felt really
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  threatening of like he already is so focused on his self.
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  You're telling me he's going to be more selfish.
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  And so I just want to clarify or just speak to that can bring up
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  some fear. And this does not take away like
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  as we talk about this and loving our parts doesn't take away any
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  of the accountability. What it does is it allows the
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  person who has acted outside of their values and has been in
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  hiding, it allows them to learn how to love themselves at that
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  whole complete level. Which means looking at it and
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  seeing what reality is, being accountable to it and learning
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  how to still love yourself so you can heal and move forward.
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  Yeah. And I'm going to say this in a
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  really black and white way. And it's, no, it's not this
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  black and white. If you're the, if you're the
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  partner in healing the betrayed partner and you're listening to
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  this and you're like, I'd why can't he have empathy for me?
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  Let's maybe oversimplify it a little bit.
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  It's because he doesn't have empathy for himself.
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  He can't give you something he doesn't have for himself.
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  So if this feels like unfair, what we're about to go through
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  or in just, I'm not going to push back on that.
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  We're not going to push back on that today.
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  And if you hate it like it's OK, like that makes all the sense in
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  the world. And you don't have to hold this
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  for your partner. You don't have to be there with
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  them in this. You don't have to be some person
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  that's supportive through this part of their journey.
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  If that's something you choose to do, great.
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  But it's not. That's something you have to do
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  that. Thank you for saying that.
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  Yeah. You really have to learn how to
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  have empathy for yourself and understand what empathy for
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  yourself looks like and feels like to be able to give that as
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  a gift to somebody else. Absolutely.
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  OK, so here's how it looked for me.
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  I'm just going to give you the just the scenario so you can go
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  through every little emotion you maybe that I went through and
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  then I'll hold on to please share with us how it would have
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  impacted you. OK, there was this I went to
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  therapy and kind of newer with this therapist and so I was
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  filling him out a little bit and made a transition and it was
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  new. I was just trying to get some
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  trust for him and he almost got himself fired over it.
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  And that sounds a little weird, but here's how it went down.
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  I went to him and I said, hey, I want to share this to you.
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  Drives me crazy because I'm not brand new in my journey and I'm
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  starting to feel like Alana is leaving for the weekend and she
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  going to go do a girl's trip for girls experience there with her
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  friends. And I am thinking about
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  different types of acting out behaviour.
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  I'm thinking of these things coming to my mind and I'm like,
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  and I'm just like, I'm not OK with it.
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  I hate it. And I feel like it's just like
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  residual and it's hanging around and I don't want it.
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  So could you like help me get rid of this?
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  And he said this to me and I'm like, never forget.
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  And he's like, well, that that part of you that wants to go act
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  outside of your values, Can you acknowledge that part?
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  I'm like, what? Excuse me, You want me to
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  acknowledge that part that wants to act out that would destroy my
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  family. And he worked with me through
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  it. But here's how it went down.
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  He said that I was turned off to it and I said no, I don't want
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  to acknowledge that part. And I don't know why you're
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  saying that. And the next thing is that
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  happened is we started to go down this path of what is that
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  part feel like inside of your body?
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  What are you experiencing that wanting to, you know, wanting to
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  act out? And he took me down this journey
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  of like, where do I notice it and what does it feel like?
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  And then he got to a part where he's like, what is it trying to
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  do? What is it trying to help you
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  with? I'm like, yeah, it'll just run
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  my family. And I said, and he said, yeah,
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  but what is it trying to ultimately accomplish?
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  And what I recognize because of the acting out behavior that it
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  wanted me to do was it viewed something as a problem.
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  OK. It didn't want the behavior, but
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  it wanted to solve a problem that I had.
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  So he started taking me down this road.
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  What's the problem? And I don't like all.
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  At the end of this session, I'm like, oh, Alana's leaving.
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  OK. Alana's.
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  She's headed out of town, who she had out of town with out of
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  town with his girlfriends. She is rejecting you, Luke.
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  She doesn't want to be around you, which is totally not even
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  close to true. But I felt levels of rejection
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  and that part wanted to protect me from filling that rejection.
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  So what it is, it stepped in and provided a solution, which is an
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  opportunity to fill chemicals that are involved in what
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  connection feels like, which is certain types of behavior.
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  And I didn't like that more. I'm like, yeah, OK, that's
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  interesting. But that part is helping me fill
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  not rejected through this behavior.
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  But I'm still not OK with it. Like, I'd still hate it.
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  Let's kill it off. And then he said, well, when is
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  the first time that you remember feeling like this experience of
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  somebody leaving and feeling rejected?
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  We went on this journey of, yeah, I remember this often when
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  somebody would do something that I would feel very alone, but it
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  didn't have to do with rejection.
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  And they said, OK, so it started showing up.
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  How old were you? And I was like, first remember
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  when I was like 8, OK, so how did I want you to handle that?
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  And it said really just anything to not feel that that fear with
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  being alone. OK, So was that helpful back
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  then? I said yeah, because I felt
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  really alone back then. So that part started to be born
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  out of protecting that 8 year old part of me.
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  OK. But the things that would offer
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  me, I started to draw the conclusion over a period of time
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  that that being alone was embarrassing and bad.
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  So the way I would go about being alone started to get some
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  really dark sides of old. And it evolved into something
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  that we call maladaptive coping mechanism.
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  But it was born out of this sense of protecting you and
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  never allowing you to feel something again that you felt
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  that was bad and horrible. So as I sat there and all of a
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  sudden there was a value that kicked in that had never, ever,
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  ever kicked in before. And I said, Oh my gosh, this
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  part of me that I hate, it's trying to take care of an 8 year
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  old. He's trying to take care of a
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  part that got hurt a long time ago.
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  And it's it's not going out. It doesn't want this behavior.
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  It wants to make sure I never feel this again.
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  And it doesn't have a very good way to do it.
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  So they asked me the question again, can you acknowledge that
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  part? And I said, oh, I know what
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  you're asking. You're asking me, can I
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  acknowledge how it's trying to help and what it's trying to do?
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  Not accept that part of me and value how it's going about it as
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  much as can you see that part doing its job and how important
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  it sees this job as. And I'm like, yeah, because I
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  know what this is like and that part taking their job really,
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  really seriously matters. And as I said that all of a
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  sudden it started to shift for me and I'm like, whoa, whoa,
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  what's this shift about? And it was like, I don't view
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  that as heinous and as evil as I used to.
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  And then I felt like this other things start to happen, which is
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  now I have a different type of energy around this of instead of
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  fighting something off, now I'm like, now I'm like being
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  proactive about how I feel about myself rather than reactive.
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  Instead of trying to hide, Now I'm like more in this energy of
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  taking care of me. And what that is about when it
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  comes to parts work is you say, hey, part that you're just
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  trying to take care of a limited part of you.
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  Thank you. I acknowledge you.
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  I appreciate you for making sure that that other part of me
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  doesn't feel abandoned. But guess what?
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  I've got this, I've got it, I've got you, and I've got that other
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  parts wounded and I'm here. You're not alone in your job
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  anymore, OK? You don't have to protect that
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  part of you. I can do that.
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  And that energy, I was not going to be able to find that way
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  until I learned to see what was actually happening.
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  So anyway, that's my story with the part of parts work of seeing
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  why what was going on inside of me, acknowledging it, showing
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  appreciation for the protection side who's trying to protect
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  that. And then allowing a shift of
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  energy to happen to more adult side of adult part of me that
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  could take care instead of a maladaptive part.
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  That that fear you talked about around validating that part,
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  seeing that part, acknowledging that part, validating that part
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  and being like, no, this part is what's destroying my family.
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  I see that. I see that with clients.
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  It is a real visceral fear that if I give this part any room or
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  any space, then it will burn the house down.
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  It will ruin everything. But what you just highlighted
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  there was so like the exact opposite that when you actually,
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  and you can't just do this cognitively, it actually like
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  doing it with the safety of somebody else.
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  Their nervous system is grounded and regulated and they can
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  gently create that safety and walk you through that.
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  So you can feel all of the feelings as you're exploring
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  this. I it's just so beautiful.
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  It allowed you then to explore that part and actually see how
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  it's helping because every part of us is trying to help in some
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  ways. So it's figuring out,
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  understanding and seeing the way it's trying to help.
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  And I love that when you actually gave it that attention,
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  that's what diffuses it. That's what allows for the
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  healing to happen. So often the things that we are
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  most scared to face is the key to the healing.
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  It is the key to the moving forward.
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  So I love that you slowed that down and just walked us through
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  that journey. Yeah.
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  And I love that you'd said this part of what a therapist job
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  does. You can say a therapist, but you
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  have somebody step in that acts as in parts work, acts as the
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  role of self, which and I get thoughts and feelings intact and
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  then is able to get curious and ask like those questions.
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  And what that professional does is they hand that off to you and
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  they go, OK, can you acknowledge?
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  Can you validate that part of you that feels abandoned and
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  alone and that has a job you, which is to fix that in any way
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  possible? Can you valid?
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  And then all you do is says, OK, all right, I see what you're
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  doing. OK, I'm going to attempt to do
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  the same thing. And but it's, it's hard work,
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  but it is not done alone. To your point.
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  And I, I don't believe as long as you're hating parts of
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  yourself, you truly can heal. And that I know some of you will
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  hear that and have a feelings around that because of some
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  really deep hatred towards parts.
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  But I'm telling you again, like the key to healing is learning
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  to understand those parts, to see them, to understand them, to
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  love them and to heal them so you can have that whole complete
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  healing. OK, so that's beautiful.
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  So let's talk about specific examples around that.
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  So I wanted that part to die. Let's say I could, which is not
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  possible. I could kill that part, but we
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  don't recognize is that part on a good day has another job that
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  is actually super helpful. So I've understood that part of
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  me that is very worried about that part that feels abandoned
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  is actually really, on a good day, really empathetic towards
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  other people, very aware of what other people experience.
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  And what would have been like if I could kill that part of me
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  off, The other part that's aware of other people's experience,
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  which is weird because of what it wanted me to do, was totally
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  not aware of other people's experience, but it's it was
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  aware of that part. I can't kill it no matter what.
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  But if I did, what would be lost if I did?
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  So that part needs a job, just another job in a different way.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  In IFS, that's called unburdening.
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  It's like finding out what the part is doing.
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  And often you find that part doesn't want to be doing it the
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  way they're doing it. They just don't know how else to
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  do it. And so when you unburden that
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  part, you figure out healthier, different ways of still
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  achieving the taking care of you.
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  Alana, can you speak more to watching somebody like me go
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  through it and what you noticed? Because I would love to say
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  like, as soon as you do it, you like it's all rainbows and
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  puppies, the work of oh, wow, I got a part because I shared like
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  the awareness. But what do you notice when
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  people start to do parts work? What happens, it's not rainbows
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  and puppies, though I love puppies and kittens.
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  No, it's it's like all healing. Like it's up and down and messy
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  and beautiful and hard and good and all of the above.
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  But I think what I've seen in it often, like the end result is a
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  relief. I think that's the end result.
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  The process is uncomfortable when we're looking at those
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  places that we typically have been trying to block out and not
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  see. So there is discomfort in that
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  and in the discomfort is where the growth zone is.
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  And so I think about even being at a personal level, watching
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  somebody I care about who's doing their parts work.
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  It's, it's interesting because there's times like today, not
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  literally today, but today in general today where you get
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  activated around something and until you check in with your
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  parts and actually tend to your parts, the activation persists.
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  So you have the activation happens and you have like you
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  have lots of choices, but I'm going to narrow it down to like
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  you have one of two choices. One is to numb out and try to
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  ignore the feelings. 2 is that you now do the parts work and
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  you go check in with those parts and you tend to those parts.
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  And I was talking to a client one time and he was talking
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  about really wanting to show up for his wife.
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  And he was saying, I'm not going to give any details, but he was
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  very, very activated. And he's like, I got to shove
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  this down. I got to shove all this down so
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  I can show up for her because that's what he was taught.
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  He's taught don't worry about you.
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  You're going to hold her pain. The problem with that message
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  and you do need to learn hold the pain.
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  But the problem with that message is he was shoving his
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  parts down, saying shut up parts, shut up, shoving them
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  down, never tending to them. And guess what?
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  His wife didn't feel at all connected with him.
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  He's like trying to connect with her and trying to connect with
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  her and he's trying to like do what he's been told and she's
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  not feeling it because his own nervous system is so
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  dysregulated. Her body is reading danger,
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  danger, danger. So guess what?
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  And this is what he and I talked about is if you can even take a
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  couple minutes and tend to your parts and see what they need,
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  see why they're being activated, validate some of those deeper
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  feelings or. Tend to the parts in a way of I
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  notice you and we're going to spend some time tonight working
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  through this and I see you, I'm coming back and I'm going to go
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  tend to my wife or I see you. I validate you.
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  I'm going to spend time to figure out here.
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  I'm going to validate that part that's feeling rejected.
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  I'm going to validate that part that's feeling unseen.
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  And then when I'm regulated, I can go back.
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  And now with your tended parts in your regulated nervous
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  system, guess what? Your ability to hold her pain
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  went from A1 or two to like an 8 or 90.
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  It's everything. It's night and day.
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  It goes from it goes from I want to run away from her or I'm just
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  I can't do this to I actually want to be here and in this
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  moment. Now I know we're about it time
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  and we like what the concept we just brought up is a really big
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  in depth concept. So if you hear that and you're
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  like, Oh my gosh, how did the hell do I even get there?
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  You're not alone in that. A couple of books that I might
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  just throw on the table. Anything you want to learn about
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  parts work, but no bad parts all together You all together us are
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  a couple of parts books that can get you started in your
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  learning. But if you are an individual who
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  has had sexual acting out outside of your values and you
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  want to do an intensive specifically around this parts
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  work again, we have one spot coming up next week.
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  Trying to think of what the dates are next week, March 11, I
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  believe I'm looking at my calendar.
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  Yeah, the elev, yeah, the 12th, 13th and 14th, but we do a
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  little bit on the 11th, Yeah, in the evening of the 11th, kicking
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  it off. So we would love to have you
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  join us and hopefully this episode at least got your brain
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  thinking and you found it helpful today.
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  I think we're probably going to do a Part 2 also.
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  Yeah. So y'all, if you're the person
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  that got that, got hurt, was betrayed and this is painful, or
• 22:17
  if it's validating and just respect that.
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  And if you're the person that's has not done parts work and
• 22:24
  hasn't leaned into it, don't wait.
• 22:25
  Jump into it. Invest in yourself.
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  But anyway, it's good to hang out with you all.
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  Hey guys, I am. Super excited to talk to you
• 22:33
  about. Our latest intensive that we
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  have coming up, it's called men's journey to wholeness.
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  Prior to this many of you. Attended Unmasked and.
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  Men's journey to. Wholeness is the next.
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  Level of recovery. It's more.
• 22:44
  Of phase two recovery, it's a relationship with self so we can
• 22:48
  have a relationship with others. You're welcome to join us in the
• 22:50
  beautiful Spanish Fork area and we are going to be having this
• 22:54
  on March 12th through the 14th. But let me tell you a little bit
• 22:57
  about it. What's a three day intensive?
• 22:58
  They're going to be a lot of transformational connection
• 23:02
  going on. That's going to be the focus.
• 23:04
  We're going to dive into the work.
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  We're open to all men. The focus is we're going to be
• 23:09
  building deeper relationship with yourself.
• 23:12
  A lot of times men are trying to kill that part of them that made
• 23:17
  these horrible choices. They don't like that part of
• 23:20
  them. We're going to identify that
• 23:23
  part of us and we're going to allow us to see something that
• 23:27
  we haven't seen before. We're going to learn about how
• 23:30
  your protective parts protect and how they've shielded you
• 23:33
  from things and how they're still shielding you from these
• 23:35
  things. And we're going to release some
• 23:38
  of those burdens. There's going to be activities,
• 23:40
  there's going to be experiential workshops, there's going to be
• 23:42
  hands on exercises. There's going to be a lot of
• 23:45
  guided support. There'll be a couple surprises.
• 23:48
  You won't be sworn to secrecy, but it's going to be pretty fun
• 23:51
  to see everybody engage in the type of activities we have
• 23:54
  coming up for you. And let me tell you what a fair
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  outcome might be if you decide to do something like this.
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  By the end of the intensive, you're going to be able to
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  embrace a part of yourself that maybe you haven't before and
• 24:08
  have some awareness around it. Much deeper connection with
• 24:11
  yourself and removing some of those barriers to keep you
• 24:15
  isolated. Also, unburden yourself from the
• 24:19
  heaviness of the secrets. The secrets might be out there,
• 24:22
  but the burden of sharing parts of you that you just don't feel
• 24:24
  like you can share with other people.
• 24:26
  We'll give you some direction on how to sign up.
• 24:28
  Space is limited, I hate saying that.
• 24:31
  Definitely want you to hurry to registration.
• 24:34
  Reach out to us if you have questions.
• 24:35
  We will give you more information about how to sign up
• 24:39
  in the notes of this podcast and on our website.
• 24:42
  Hopefully we can see you there. Hey, thanks for joining us
• 24:48
  today. If this is something.
• 24:49
  That you connected with. I'd love to meet with you more
• 24:52
  and talk. About it.
• 24:53
  So what you can do is go to choose.
• 24:54
  Recoveryservices.com or check the show notes.
• 24:57
  And there what we can do is set up a quick conversation we need.
• 25:00
  Thanks so much for listening to Beyond the Facade where we
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  unmask the authentic self.