Latest / Investor Exchange / Revenue Is Growing, Yet Losses Are Deepening For Heatec Jietong Holdings In Q3 2025
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- 0:02Time for another Investor Exchange Podcast. Here are your hosts, Matt and Sally.
- 0:08Welcome back to The Deep Dive. Today, we're running a full systems check on
- 0:12a company that's been under, well, some pretty intense scrutiny.
- 0:14That's Hitek Jitong Holdings LTD, or HJHL. Yeah.
- 0:19We're going to be focusing on their third quarter and nine-month results for
- 0:23the period ending September 30, 2025.
- 0:26And this isn't just your standard quarterly earnings call analysis.
- 0:29There's a really critical piece of context here. Right. HGHL has to provide
- 0:33these mandatory updates because their independent auditor issued what's called
- 0:37a qualified opinion on their last full financial year, FY 2024.
- 0:42So this is less about just numbers and more about governance,
- 0:46risk, and frankly, stability.
- 0:48That really frames our mission for today, then. We need to figure out how management
- 0:52is fighting a battle on two fronts, the governance battle and the operational one. Exactly.
- 0:56So we'll start by dissecting the steps they took to fix that audit headache.
- 0:59Then we'll try to reconcile this fascinating financial picture,
- 1:03a strong loss-reducing third quarter versus a nine-month period where the loss actually got worse.
- 1:09And finally, we have to break down the big strategic moves they're making,
- 1:13the cost-cutting, the divestments.
- 1:14It's the definition of a pressure cooker situation.
- 1:17They have to prove they can govern reliably while turning the actual business around.
- 1:22So let's start with that elephant in the room, the audit issue.
- 1:26A qualified opinion, especially about consultancy services, that suggests pretty
- 1:31significant weakness in internal controls, right?
- 1:34It does. It points to how they hire, delegate, and pay for external services.
- 1:39For anyone looking at the company, it's a major red flag about governance.
- 1:43So what did they do? I mean, what specific concrete actions did management take
- 1:48to clean things up? They seem to have addressed it head on.
- 1:51The first move was tightening the whole contract review process.
- 1:55They set up a much clearer delegation of authority.
- 1:58What does that mean exactly? It's based on the dollar amount.
- 2:00So, you know, standard operational stuff is handled one way.
- 2:03But higher risk, non-operational activities get a whole different level of sign-off.
- 2:07Okay, so they're moving away from ambiguity and toward really strict, centralized control.
- 2:13And if you think about why this matters, a breakdown there can expose a company
- 2:17to all sorts of risks. Inflated fees, fraud.
- 2:21Precisely. And to tackle that risk, they're now mandating that all contracts
- 2:25have to specify clear deliverables. Which you'd think would be standard.
- 2:28You would think. And not just deliverables, but strict payment milestones that
- 2:33actually match the work being done.
- 2:35But the crucial step, I think, for the auditors was all about documentation.
- 2:40That paper trail. The paper trail.
- 2:41They rolled out a new process to properly document every single meeting with external parties.
- 2:47So recording key discussion points, clarifying the work done, tracking action plans.
- 2:52It's that level of detail you need when auditors are trying to trace where the
- 2:55money went. Did they bring in any extra oversight to make sure these new rules
- 2:59actually stick? They absolutely did.
- 3:01Internal auditors were brought in right away to review these new processes.
- 3:05And beyond that, management is now looking at a formal investment policy.
- 3:08And this is key. They're moving to establish KPIs for consultants.
- 3:12So they're not just tracking payments
- 3:14anymore. They're actually measuring performance and accountability.
- 3:17Exactly. It's about turning a reactive fix into a proactive long-term governance strategy.
- 3:21Okay. With that internal cleanup happening, let's pivot to the financials.
- 3:25And let's start with the three-month period, 3Q 2025.
- 3:31This quarter, it really felt like a ray of hope. It was, yeah.
- 3:35A much-needed positive signal.
- 3:36Revenue was up a solid 15%, climbing from about S4.4 million dollars to 5.0 million dollars.
- 3:43And crucially, gross profit went right up with it, increasing 16% to S1.4 million dollars.
- 3:49So it wasn't just volume, they kept their margins. Right. Right.
- 3:51The real headline here is the bottom line. The net loss was cut by 53%.
- 3:55It shrank from $16.6 million to some $1.3 million.
- 4:00I mean, they halved their loss in a single quarter. What was the main engine
- 4:03behind that? It all came from their core business, the heat exchanger segment.
- 4:07This unit's revenue just surged, hitting S3.4 million dollars for the quarter.
- 4:12Okay. And that points to a really successful three months.
- 4:15More project activity, robust customer demand. Yeah.
- 4:18It was just firing on all cylinders. So the core engine is definitely strong when demand is there.
- 4:24And we also see some other sort of financial tailwinds helping out.
- 4:28Other operating incomes shot up by over 100%.
- 4:30Yeah, and the report says that's largely from things like government grants
- 4:35and some extra rental income.
- 4:36Okay, and that ties into another point.
- 4:39Finance costs were down by 25%.
- 4:41How did that happen? That goes back to good financial hygiene.
- 4:45Management has been laser focused on reducing their debt load.
- 4:49So that drop in finance costs is just a direct reflection of them paying down
- 4:54bank borrowings and managing their leases better.
- 4:57So you have a strong operational quarter, you get a boost from external grants,
- 5:00and you're paying less in interest.
- 5:02That's a powerful mix. For one quarter, absolutely.
- 5:05It's a perfect storm of positive factors.
- 5:07But now we have to take that promising quarterly data and zoom out.
- 5:11If you look at the full nine month view, the story completely changes.
- 5:16Right. This is where it gets complicated.
- 5:17That strong third quarter was great, but the overall nine month logs actually
- 5:21got worse compared to last year.
- 5:23Exactly. It reveals just how complex this turnaround is.
- 5:27OK, so let's walk through the nine month numbers. Overall revenue was up six percent.
- 5:31It grew from self-14.4 million dollars to 15.2 million dollars.
- 5:37So still growing. Still growing, yes.
- 5:38But that growth was almost completely neutralized by costs.
- 5:42Gross profit just held steady, actually declined just a tiny bit to still $0.7 million.
- 5:47And that led to the tough bottom line. The net loss worsened by 33 percent.
- 5:52It went from a loss of $0.5 million last year to, say, $9.7 million this year.
- 5:58And that's the gap we have to explain. Yeah. How do you grow your revenue but
- 6:01also dramatically increase your cumulative loss? It seems to come down to a
- 6:05conflict between the different business segments and just, well,
- 6:08administrative weight.
- 6:09That's it. The star performer, the heat exchanger segment, was still the winner
- 6:12over nine months. It grew by an impressive $1.7 million.
- 6:16But? But that growth was substantially offset by the declining performance of
- 6:21their legacy piping segment.
- 6:22That part of the business saw its revenue drop by $0.9 million.
- 6:26So you have the new engine working
- 6:27overtime, but the old heavy segment is dragging the whole thing down.
- 6:31It's a classic tug-of-war. And the margin squeeze is then explained by the fixed costs, right?
- 6:36Because administrative expenses still went up by 5%. That's the killer.
- 6:405% might not sound like a lot, but when your margins are already thin,
- 6:45a jump in admin overhead,
- 6:47mostly from higher staff costs, is enough to eat up every penny of that new
- 6:53profit and push you deeper into the red.
- 6:56So they're basically structured for a level of activity they're not quite hitting.
- 7:00They have an expensive cost base, especially people, attached to a part of the
- 7:04business that is clearly shrinking.
- 7:06You've hit it exactly. The 5% rise in those sticky costs just canceled out the 6% revenue growth.
- 7:12Okay, so that's a challenging operational picture, but let's shift from the
- 7:15income statement to the balance sheet, because it looks like management has
- 7:18been really focused on capital management, specifically debt reduction.
- 7:22Yes, their efforts to stabilize the company's financial base are really clear on the balance sheet.
- 7:27They managed a pretty significant reduction in current liabilities down over
- 7:3114%. And what drove that? It was mainly lower trade payables and,
- 7:35most importantly, paying back their trade facilities and borrowings.
- 7:39Which explains the lower finance costs we saw earlier. How much debt did they actually cut?
- 7:44It took total borrowings down from about $4.5 million at the end of last year
- 7:49to $3.6 million by the end of this quarter.
- 7:53Wow. So almost a million dollars in nine months. That's a very deliberate move
- 7:57to de-risk the balance sheet. It is.
- 7:59And on top of that, they kept a secure net current asset position,
- 8:03your working capital, of $4.7 million.
- 8:07So they have enough liquidity to keep the lights on despite the losses.
- 8:10Their cash flow statement also tells an interesting story.
- 8:13Cash from operations actually improved a bit to S1.5 million dollars.
- 8:18And the report says this was driven by favorable working capital movements.
- 8:23Can you break that down for us? Sure. It just means they're getting better at
- 8:26managing their cash cycle.
- 8:27They were successful in collecting cash from customers faster and tying up less cash in unbilled work.
- 8:32And that's absolutely essential when your business is losing money overall.
- 8:35Now, here's the interesting tension point.
- 8:37They're paying down debt, tightening working capital, but they're also spending money, a lot of it.
- 8:44They recorded a 139% increase in purchases of property, plant, and equipment.
- 8:50Right, about $260,000.
- 8:53Isn't that a big gamble? Investing heavily in CapEx while your losses are getting worse?
- 8:58It's a calculated risk, but the report frames it as a strategic necessity.
- 9:04They say it's about enhancing their operational capabilities for sustainable growth.
- 9:09So what are they spending it on? We could probably assume a lot of that went
- 9:12into improving their main workshop
- 9:14and maybe funding that dormitory conversion we're about to discuss.
- 9:17Management is essentially betting that if they invest in efficiency now,
- 9:21they can accelerate the turnaround and make that heat exchanger segment even
- 9:24more profitable down the road.
- 9:26That brings us to the future then. The outlook and the strategic restructuring they've put in place.
- 9:30The main headwinds are still there. high costs, especially staff wages,
- 9:34and that problem of lower worker deployment in the piping segment.
- 9:38And management has responded with some very direct targeted action.
- 9:42They recognized that dormitory rental costs were a major cash drain. So what's the fix?
- 9:47Starting in July, they began transferring workers to a newly completed factory-converted
- 9:52dormitory that's located right in their workshop complex.
- 9:55Oh, that's smart. They're internalizing a huge overhead cost.
- 9:58It's a brilliant move. But they didn't just stop at internal costs.
- 10:02They started aggressively shedding non-performing assets. The focus on trimming
- 10:06the fat seems pretty relentless.
- 10:08It is. In August, they got rid of a wholly owned subsidiary, JTY Engineering.
- 10:13And the reasons they gave were very telling.
- 10:15It had a negative book value, high operating expenses, and critically unfavorable tariff rates.
- 10:21So if you unpack that, the costs related to international trade were making
- 10:25that unit fundamentally unprofitable.
- 10:27It was just a money pit, so they cut the cord. Exactly.
- 10:30And that strategy continued even after this reporting period.
- 10:34In November, we saw the announcement that they planned to sell their 60% stake in Sitch Energy.
- 10:39That's their trading segment subsidiary. And that decision makes sense when
- 10:43you look at the numbers. The trading segment was barely contributing anything.
- 10:46I mean, S$49,000 in revenue for the nine months?
- 10:50It had even posted a negative revenue number the year before.
- 10:54It was clearly non-core and a distraction. So by divesting these underperforming
- 10:58assets, management is focusing all their capital, time, and attention on the
- 11:03successful heat exchanger business and the smaller chemical cleaning segment.
- 11:08They believe shedding this dead weight is the fastest way to get back to stability.
- 11:12So if you put it all together, HGHL is in the middle of this highly complex
- 11:17turnaround, and it's all happening under the bright spotlight of that qualified
- 11:21audit opinion. It's a real tug of war.
- 11:23You've got the successful growing heat exchanger segment fighting against the
- 11:27drag from the declining piping segment and those stubbornly high admin costs.
- 11:31Right. But what's impressive is how decisive they're being. They've tackled
- 11:34the governance issues, they've cut debt, they've invested in efficiency,
- 11:37and they are not hesitating to get rid of unprofitable business lines.
- 11:41It feels like a very determined management team. It does.
- 11:44They've laid out a clear two-pronged strategy, fix the internal controls and
- 11:48streamline operations.
- 11:50So the big question now for anyone watching this company is a simple one.
- 11:54Which is? Will the cost savings from moving those workers to the new dormitory
- 11:58and the cash from selling off the trading segment,
- 12:01will that be enough to absorb the high staffed costs and, maybe most importantly,
- 12:07the continued revenue decline from that crucial piping segment in the next quarter?
- 12:11That balance is what's going to decide whether they can finally achieve consistent
- 12:14sustainable profitability.