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The Kenny Report | 9 September · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Fine Time opinion on skying. News of Sprodya starts now
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Speaker 1: line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me. The gag crime is so bad
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne that some families who have come here from
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Speaker 2: Africa are sending their children back to Africa for safe schooling.
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Speaker 2: Terrorists slaughter more innocent Israelis, this time in Jerusalem. This
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Speaker 2: is just the sort of grotesque carnage that protesters have
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Speaker 2: been barracking for even in our country. The coalition shambles
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Speaker 2: over Indian immigration continues as Senator just Center Napajimba Price
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Speaker 2: fails to apologize and move on. Also the tobacco crime
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Speaker 2: wars and how a tax cut might be the best way.
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Speaker 3: To put an end to them.
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Speaker 2: All that tonight, and plenty more with Kristen Tatum, the
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Speaker 2: US Tim Blair on Greta Tumberg, and Susio O'Brien and
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Speaker 2: Stephen Senny Senate Empo as well.
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Speaker 3: Let's get cracking.
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Speaker 2: Sh The pro Palestinian and anti Israeli protests in our
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Speaker 2: streets are part of a movement driven by Islamist extremists
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Speaker 2: and fueled by lies and ignorance. Most of the media
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Speaker 2: only amplifies this. They are part of the problem and
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Speaker 2: it results in the sickening scenes I showed you yesterday.
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Speaker 2: They unfolded it Bondai on the weekend with people in
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Speaker 2: this country calling for a terrorist uprising in Israel, calling
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Speaker 2: for terror attacks on Israelis. Because whether these protesters know
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Speaker 2: it or not, that is exactly what inter Fada is.
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Speaker 3: Man chanting for. Inter there on Bondai Beach.
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Speaker 2: Well, just a day later in Jerusalem, we saw interfada,
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Speaker 2: we saw innocence.
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Speaker 4: Slaughtered, gunfire and panic. Dashcom footage captured the moment when
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Speaker 4: a morning bus commute in Jerusalem turned into a deadly
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Speaker 4: shooting attack. An off duty Israeli soldier at the scene
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Speaker 4: shot dead too, suspected gunmen believed to have come from
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Speaker 4: the occupied West Bank. This is usually a busy junction.
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Speaker 4: It's near to Jewish settlements in East Jerusalem and Palestinians
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Speaker 4: and Israeli's mix on the road. This is one of
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Speaker 4: the two buses that came under attack. You can see
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Speaker 4: those were direct shots aimed at the driver. Also, these
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Speaker 4: two bus shelters were attacked as well. Absolutely packed with
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Speaker 4: people and it's still very tense here.
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Speaker 2: Just terrible, a deliberate slaughter of innocent civilians by Islamist
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Speaker 2: extremist terrorists, as is Israel and Jews have had to
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Speaker 2: deal with for all of their history, just like in
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Speaker 2: the First Interfada of the late nineteen eighties, and just
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Speaker 2: like in the Second Intofada in the early two thousands
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Speaker 2: after Yassa Arafat rejected the offer of a two state solution.
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Speaker 3: This is the terrorism that.
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Speaker 2: Protesters encourage and support as they repeat the chants and
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Speaker 2: slogans of Humas and demonize Israel. Killed yesterday in Jerusalem
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Speaker 2: were five men and a woman. One of the men
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Speaker 2: a twenty five year old married just two months ago,
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Speaker 2: another a father of three. Another one of the men
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Speaker 2: is a father of six, and the woman, a sixty
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Speaker 2: year old with four children and seven grandchildren, was cut
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Speaker 2: down on her way to work. The two Palestinian terrorists,
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Speaker 2: both men in their twenties from the West Bank, were
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Speaker 2: shot dead at the scene. Another man was arrested on
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Speaker 2: suspicion that he drove them to the attack. This is terrorism,
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Speaker 2: pure and simple, the deliberate slaughter of innocent civilians in
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Speaker 2: the name of the Islamist extremist cause, which of course
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Speaker 2: is always wrapped up in the Palestinian statehood cause for
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Speaker 2: propaganda purposes, the media not only buys into the terrorists narrative,
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Speaker 2: they usually actually amplify the alleged motives and arguments of
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Speaker 2: the terrorists they spout their propaganda.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen to our own ABC.
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Speaker 5: We have heard from Hamas in the wake of this attack.
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Speaker 5: We do need to stress that it is not claiming
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Speaker 5: responsibility for this, but it has praised the work of
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Speaker 5: these to a gunman, these resistance fighters as.
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Speaker 3: They are describing it.
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Speaker 5: It says that this is what happens when the Israeli
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Speaker 5: forces continue their aggression in Gaza and also in parts
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Speaker 5: of occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank. But this
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Speaker 5: is the sort of response that is going to come
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Speaker 5: from the.
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Speaker 3: Community resistance fighters.
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Speaker 2: Why even repeat such grotesque phrases. This is a reporter
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Speaker 2: paid by Australian taxpayers mouthing the propaganda of the Islamist
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Speaker 2: terrorists of Hummas. Israel aggression is to blame. The war
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Speaker 2: in Gaza was started by terrorism by the October the
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Speaker 2: seventh atrocities that killed twelve hundred people and saw two
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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty taken hostage at least one hundred of
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Speaker 2: two of them, one hundred and two of them have
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Speaker 2: been killed, and Hummas still holds twenty alive.
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Speaker 3: Just on the ABC, their main.
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Speaker 2: Sydney bulletin didn't even cover the Jerusalem terrorist attack last
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Speaker 2: night the breaking news. They say there was too much
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Speaker 2: local news, and the ABC's coverage today has been muted.
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Speaker 2: This is an organization and media organization that's run wall
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Speaker 2: to wall coverage of erroneous claims about Israel targeting civilians,
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Speaker 2: and wall to wall coverage of Erronia claims about hospital
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Speaker 2: strikes and obviously and wildly incorrect claims about thousands of
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Speaker 2: babies being on the brink of death. It's run incorrect
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Speaker 2: pictures and claims about starvation, not to mention breathless coverage
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Speaker 2: of incorrect claims that aid workers were deliberately targeted.
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Speaker 3: But when there is.
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Speaker 2: A clear cutcase of terrorists deliberately killing civilians in Israel,
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Speaker 2: the ABC's coverage is downplayed and it runs the terrorists
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Speaker 2: attempted justification for killing innocent people. I mean, forget the
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Speaker 2: blatant misinformation and the abuse of taxpayers money. I just
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Speaker 2: don't know how these people sleep at night. Meanwhile, anti
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Speaker 2: Israel activists are again running a flotilla across the Mediterranean
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Speaker 2: to Gaza.
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Speaker 6: Just across the water from here.
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Speaker 7: There is a genocide going.
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Speaker 8: On unless starvation committed by Israel's murder machine and your complicity,
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Speaker 8: Everyone and your complicity in this genocide, be human and
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Speaker 8: no one is free until Palestine is free.
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Speaker 2: This stuff is hysterical and false, of course, yet it's
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Speaker 2: regurgitated by activists around the world, and as if to
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Speaker 2: press home how complicit the United Nations is on this
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Speaker 2: anti Israel campaign. Their former Special Envoy is on board.
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Speaker 3: Revenge.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, the flotilla vessel apparently was attacked by a drone while.
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Speaker 3: In a Tunisian port.
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Speaker 2: It's unlikely that Israel's defense forces will allow it through
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Speaker 2: to Gaza. More's the pity yet to go back to
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Speaker 2: where I started. Have a look at the ABC reporting
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Speaker 2: of Sunday's protest at Bon Die. It criticized the Jewish
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Speaker 2: counterprotest over how they greeted the hateful anti Israeli mob.
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Speaker 9: Some on the beach yeld abuse, others told pro Palestinian
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Speaker 9: demonstrators to go back to Lakember.
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Speaker 10: Go back to a certain area, or even we're still
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Speaker 10: people being referred to as terrorists.
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Speaker 11: They're just not acceptable.
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Speaker 2: Really, that's what they complained about, Not the pro Palestinian
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Speaker 2: activists deliberately intimidating the Australian Jewish community, and not the
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Speaker 2: chanting for inter fada, the chanting for terrorism. This is
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Speaker 2: how low we have sunk. Barracking for terrorism is okay
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Speaker 2: in the eyes of some. These are dark days. This
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Speaker 2: pro Palestinian protester at Bondi might remind many of us
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Speaker 2: of the four horsemen of the Apocalypse.
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Speaker 3: With a white horse, he would be conquest. This is
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Speaker 3: a battle.
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Speaker 2: It is against Islamist extremism, people who oppose Western civilization
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Speaker 2: and the freedoms and plurality at its core. People who
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Speaker 2: walk onto a bus and start killing people indiscriminately.
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Speaker 3: That's who we're fighting. Israel Is at the epicenter.
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Speaker 2: Too many people in Western countries like ours either do
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Speaker 2: not understand this or don't take the threat seriously enough.
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Speaker 2: We talked a lot about the crime wave in Melbourne
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Speaker 2: yesterday after the shocking Maschette murders of two teenage boys
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Speaker 2: on Saturday night. We've since learned that the victim of
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Speaker 2: the drive by shooting murder just hours later in Melbourne's
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Speaker 2: CBD was also a member of the African Australian community.
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Speaker 2: We've heard experts about how I've heard from experts about
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Speaker 2: how this is a particular problem.
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Speaker 3: The statistics show that.
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Speaker 2: Violent crimes are up in Melbourne along with other crimes,
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Speaker 2: and they show that the African migrant communities are over represented.
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Speaker 3: When people like Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 2: Have called this out in the past, they've been branded
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Speaker 2: as racist and others have lined up to deny the problem. Well,
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Speaker 2: how about we listened to a leading member of the
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Speaker 2: African Australian community. Doctor Burhan Ahmed is an immigrant from
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Speaker 2: Ethiopia and was named Victorian of the Year in two
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Speaker 2: thousand and nine. He now heads not for profit organization
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Speaker 2: called Africaus, and he told the Herald Son Today that
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Speaker 2: some parents are so worried about Melbourne crime they are
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Speaker 2: sending their children back to Africa. I have mothers coming
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Speaker 2: to my office saying the gangs want to kill my child,
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Speaker 2: said Dr Ahmed. This problem starts in school here.
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Speaker 3: The kids are.
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Speaker 2: Going to school with knives. They cannot run away. When
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Speaker 2: the police won't help, I help them to take the
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Speaker 2: child out of the country, Doctor Ahmed said. I help
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Speaker 2: the kids go to Uganda, to Kenya, to some African
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Speaker 2: country and they go to boarding school. I've helped about
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Speaker 2: seven kids in this calendar year. This is incredible in
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Speaker 2: the true sense of the word. African Australian kids being
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Speaker 2: sent to school in Africa to avoid violent crimes and
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Speaker 2: crime gangs in Melbourne.
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Speaker 3: Yet the Premiere seems to be in denial because I will.
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Speaker 12: Not act in a reckless, politically point scoring way like
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Speaker 12: the Leader of the Opposition does time and time and
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Speaker 12: time again. That is not leadership. That is not looking
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Speaker 12: at addressing the challenges that are being faced by many
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Speaker 12: in our community.
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Speaker 2: This is a dangerous, dangerous situation. It requires leadership. It
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Speaker 2: demands the tough imposition of law and order and we
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Speaker 2: all know that, well, everyone except the Victorian government.
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Speaker 11: It seems.
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Speaker 2: Now the ridiculous and damaging debate about the Coalition and
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Speaker 2: Indian immigration is just not going away. Senator just sent
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Speaker 2: to Namber Jibber Prices claim that Labor is boosting the
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Speaker 2: Indian intake only because they tend to vote labor is
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Speaker 2: damaging in many ways. But when the Senator joined Peter
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Speaker 2: Quiblin last night, she skipped her opportunity to apologize, correct
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Speaker 2: her comments and move on. Instead, she got involved with
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Speaker 2: more airing of disputes over the issue with her colleagues.
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Speaker 10: My colleague did brate my staffer, and which was the
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Speaker 10: reason for why I contacted him in the first instance,
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Speaker 10: because of that conversation, which took about five or six
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Speaker 10: minutes with my staff and not one or to and
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Speaker 10: I found it highly inappropriate to have that kind of
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Speaker 10: conversation with another colleagues staffer.
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Speaker 2: Well, that may be so, but it's also highly inappropriate
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Speaker 2: to drag these internal spats into the public arena. That
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Speaker 2: can only do harm to the opposition.
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Speaker 13: My standard approach is not to discuss private conversations, and
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Speaker 13: that's something that I think all colleagues respect, and it
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Speaker 13: allows us to have those private conversations in the way
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Speaker 13: that we need to when we need. I know that
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Speaker 13: the Senator is listening to the Indian community and hearing
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Speaker 13: their words directly in any instances, and I think that's important.
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Speaker 2: The comments are not true that the senator made, and
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Speaker 2: of course she should apologize for the her that has
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Speaker 2: been caused. Now, Naberjeber Price seems to think she's been wronged.
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Speaker 2: I've asked her for an interview, but she seems to
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Speaker 2: think she's been wronged or been misinterpreted and doesn't need
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Speaker 2: to do any more explaining.
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Speaker 10: I suppose the point that I wanted to make was
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Speaker 10: the way in which Labor does aggressively caught the migrant
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Speaker 10: community as they do the indigenous community. I mean, those
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Speaker 10: points I laid out quite clearly.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's part.
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Speaker 2: Of what she'd said in the ABC interview, but not
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Speaker 2: the problematic But the problem is that naberjibber Price said
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Speaker 2: Labor was bringing Indians in, too many Indians in because
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Speaker 2: it can rely on their votes.
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Speaker 10: As we've seen, you know, I mean, you yourself mentioned
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Speaker 10: that there is a concern with the Indian community, and
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Speaker 10: only because there's been large number and we can see
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Speaker 10: that reflected in the way that the community votes for
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Speaker 10: Labor at the same time, So if they're going to
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Speaker 10: see a reflection that okay, these individuals are going to
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Speaker 10: vote for us more more so than other parts of
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Speaker 10: the community, well then of course they're going to express
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Speaker 10: a view that will get those sorts of individuals into
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Speaker 10: our communities.
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Speaker 3: That's what she said.
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Speaker 2: And it's a problem because Indians, like anybody else, can
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Speaker 2: and do vote whatever way they like. So this claim
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Speaker 2: is demeaning to Indians and it also insults them because
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Speaker 2: it undercuts the reality that as a cohort, Indians tend
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Speaker 2: to be first rate migrants. Perhaps it's best to listen
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Speaker 2: to a senior Liberal with Indian heritage.
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Speaker 14: The party paid the price for clumsy language when it
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Speaker 14: said something about Chinese spies, and I really do fear
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Speaker 14: that if Senator Price doesn't swiftly apologize, if the party
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Speaker 14: doesn't do the hard work to repair with the Indian
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Speaker 14: community after this, we will be paying the price again.
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Speaker 2: This thing is already dragged on for a week. It's
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Speaker 2: already hurting the coalition badly. Senator Naberjheber Price is the
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Speaker 2: only one who can fix it, just by accepting the
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Speaker 2: advice that's coming her way from all corners.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to.
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Speaker 2: David Little Proud, the National's leader who joins us live
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Speaker 2: from Queensland.
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Speaker 3: Good to talk to you, David. Of course, just into
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Speaker 3: Namba Timba Prices, someone you know well. She used to
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Speaker 3: be in your party.
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Speaker 2: She's now creating some problems in the Liberal Party. Do
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Speaker 2: you want her to apologize for this?
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Speaker 3: I mean, we all know that in general there's too
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Speaker 3: much migration. Migration rates need to reduce.
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Speaker 2: We also know that migrants as a whole tend to
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Speaker 2: be supporters of labor, vote more labor than liberal early
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Speaker 2: on initially, but many of them in the Indian community,
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Speaker 2: Chinese community and elsewhere becomes strong liberal supporters later. She
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Speaker 2: just needs to clear up this sort of demeaning attitude
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Speaker 2: towards Indian migrants, don't you think.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, Look, we all make mistakes, we all misspeak, we
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Speaker 15: all say the wrong thing from time to time, and
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Speaker 15: the best thing to do is just to apologize, to
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Speaker 15: move on and to get on with the job, which
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Speaker 15: is to hold the alban Easy government to account it
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Speaker 15: was wrong.
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Speaker 6: Migrants are important to this country.
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Speaker 15: I have an issue with the number that are coming
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Speaker 15: in and the prioritization of this government of not prioritizing
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Speaker 15: the skills we need. But for the regional Australians, we
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Speaker 15: actually need skilled migrants. We need them to come in.
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Speaker 15: So from a National Party perspective, this is deeply concerning
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Speaker 15: to us. We need skilled migrants. In fact, the deput
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Speaker 15: leader of the National Party in New South Wales, Gomesh Thing.
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Speaker 6: Has Indian descent as well, and he's.
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Speaker 15: Making a great contribution to Australia into the new South
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Speaker 15: Wales Parliament. So I think it's important that we just
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Speaker 15: when you make mistakes, you own up to them, you apologize,
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Speaker 15: you get on with the job. But I think what
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Speaker 15: the Australian people want of the position and the Liberal
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Speaker 15: Party now is not to focus on themselves, but to
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Speaker 15: focus on Anthony Alberinezi. There's enough mistakes, their cost of
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Speaker 15: living hasn't gone away, the challenges for this renewables roll
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Speaker 15: out for our part of the world doesn't need to
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Speaker 15: have the focus taken off of it. That's what's happening
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Speaker 15: with this internal spat and I just hope that whatever
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Speaker 15: conversations are happening behind closed doors, they stay behind closed
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Speaker 15: doors and they saw it down like adults, and.
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Speaker 6: Let's just get on for job.
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Speaker 15: We're given a privileged position to go to parliament and
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Speaker 15: we should respect that by focusing on the job we've
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Speaker 15: been given, not on each other.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt there should be a debate about
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Speaker 2: immigration and it should be the government on the defensive
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Speaker 2: for mismanaging our immigration and that's where the focus needs
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Speaker 2: to return. But you mentioned the conversations that are happening.
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Speaker 2: We heard on Peter Kreedlin's program last night that Susan
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Speaker 2: Lee had not spoken directly to just into it. Now
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Speaker 2: for jimper Price, I don't know if that's changed in
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Speaker 2: the last twenty four hours. But in the meantime, have
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Speaker 2: you called it, have you reached out to it to
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Speaker 2: try and as a fellow coalition leader, to try and
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Speaker 2: smooth things other.
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Speaker 6: Now this is the matter for the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 15: I don't inject myself into Liberal Party matters, as I
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Speaker 15: wouldn't expect a Liberal Party member to get involved with
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Speaker 15: National Party members. We just hope that some common sense prevails,
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Speaker 15: some calmness prevails, and the focus turns back to what
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Speaker 15: our job is and what the people of Australia sent
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Speaker 15: us to Canberra to do, and that's to hold Anthony
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Speaker 15: Alberan easy to account.
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Speaker 2: Well, just leave Susan leader, yep, fair enough, it's a
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party, don't matter, just on holding the easy Labor
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Speaker 2: government to account. Let's go to another issue, and one
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Speaker 2: that's been highlighted in your own state of late, and
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Speaker 2: that is the federal Minister Murray what saying that the
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Speaker 2: Queensland government, by abandoning some of the renewables projects, even
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Speaker 2: the pie in the sky green hydrogen projects, is actually
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Speaker 2: going to help keep power prices high and reduce investment
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Speaker 2: in Queensland.
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Speaker 3: He's got that one hundred and eighty degrees wrong.
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Speaker 2: And I mean it's Labour's plans for renewables that are
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Speaker 2: driving up the prices and stifling business investment in this country.
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Speaker 15: Well even when good old billionaires like Twiggy Forest handbacked
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Speaker 15: two billion dollars run from two billion dollars on green
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Speaker 15: hydrogen from government, Suzy, something's not right. So Murray needs
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Speaker 15: to smell the wind. But what he also needs to
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Speaker 15: understand is the lived experience of Australians. They should see
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Speaker 15: every quarter Anthony Albanese in Chris Barnes's face on their
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Speaker 15: energy bill. They were promised a reduction of two hundred
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Speaker 15: and seventy five dollars this year from their twenty twenty
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Speaker 15: two prices. In fact they've gone up over thirteen hundred dollars.
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Speaker 15: The only, the only constant in that is this reckless
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Speaker 15: race of an all renewables approach to our energy grid.
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Speaker 15: There is no country of the industrial sky the size
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Speaker 15: of Australia that's done it. In fact, they've given it
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Speaker 15: a go. I will be corrected. Spain and Portugal had
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Speaker 15: a red hot crack. They got seventy seven percent and
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Speaker 15: what happened was was their grid went down for over
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Speaker 15: a week. And that's because you need baseload power what
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Speaker 15: we should have as an energy mix, and in Queensland
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Speaker 15: as a queens And let me just remind Murray Watt
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Speaker 15: of what actually funds the Queensland budget here. Over a
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Speaker 15: billion dollars worth of generation and distribution from coal fired
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Speaker 15: power assets across this state actually flow back into Queensland coffers.
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Speaker 15: So you start handing that over to renewable companies that
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Speaker 15: are normally if Twiggies made a duck for cover from
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Speaker 15: multinationals from overseas, that doesn't come back to the Queensland taxpayer.
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Speaker 6: That goes offshore. And that's before you have to build.
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Speaker 15: The transmission lines that potentially could be going to nowhere
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Speaker 15: that in twenty years with these projects fall over, we
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Speaker 15: will build all these transmission lines green to green greenfield
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Speaker 15: sites that don't exist, and it will cost you.
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Speaker 6: You've got to pay that back.
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Speaker 15: So Murray Whitte is pushing an ideology rather than the
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Speaker 15: practical lived experience of Queenslanders, of the social licenses being
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Speaker 15: lost by these renewable companies, but also of the energy
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Speaker 15: bills that Queensland has a face.
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Speaker 3: David Little Proud, thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 2: Now I want to move on to another crime, law
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Speaker 2: and order issue in this country because they're in the
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Speaker 2: middle of a tobacco turf war. With the price of
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Speaker 2: an average pack of smokes now at fifty dollars, half
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Speaker 2: of that going to the government in excise, it's led
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Speaker 2: to a five billion dollar black market trade and this
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Speaker 2: has led to at least one hundred and fifty fire
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Speaker 2: bombings of tobacconists in the past two years.
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Speaker 3: Here's the most recent examples, thanks to seven News.
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Speaker 16: Three businesses here in under three hours at Mentoan tobacconists
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Speaker 16: to Arsenez get out of a van, one armed with
22:43
Speaker 16: a sledgehammer, the other a metal pole, smashing the way
22:47
Speaker 16: in and stealing what appears to be stock before one
22:50
Speaker 16: of the men ignites the store and his shoe Kabana
22:54
Speaker 16: Lounge and Dandy Knot was also targeted this morning. That
22:57
Speaker 16: blaze so fierce the roof collapsed, adding more fuel to
23:01
Speaker 16: the fire. An hour later, the owner's second business was torched.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's bring in Rowan Pike.
23:08
Speaker 2: He's a former Detective superintendent with the Australian Federal Police
23:11
Speaker 2: and he created and led Border Forces Tobacco Strike Team.
23:16
Speaker 3: He joins me in our live from Wellington. Thanks for
23:18
Speaker 3: joining us.
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Speaker 2: Rowland, first up, tell us about this trade? I mean,
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Speaker 2: where do they get the illegal tobacco? How do they
23:25
Speaker 2: get it into our country? And how valuable is it?
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Speaker 11: Well, they get it from overseas.
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Speaker 17: Now it's usually pre manufactured cigarettes that come from predominantly China.
23:36
Speaker 11: Or the UAE.
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Speaker 17: There are some other places as well, but they just
23:42
Speaker 17: bombard the border with multiple importations in container load and
23:48
Speaker 17: the customs resources are not capable of stopping all of that.
23:53
Speaker 2: And how cost effective is their product on the market.
23:58
Speaker 2: I at a retail level setting cigarettes for half the
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Speaker 2: price of legal cigarettes, what's the comparison?
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Speaker 11: It could be five times the price.
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Speaker 17: Unfortunately, your average pack of legal cigarettes is now fifty
24:11
Speaker 17: dollars on the East Coast, your average illicit packers around
24:15
Speaker 17: ten to twelve dollars. You can get it as low
24:17
Speaker 17: as seven over in Western Australia. It's probably pushing up
24:21
Speaker 17: towards eighteen or twenty but still that's almost three times
24:25
Speaker 17: less than the legal price.
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Speaker 2: Well for an outsider, and you know, a confirmed non
24:29
Speaker 2: smoker like myself.
24:30
Speaker 3: I had my last one about twenty years ago.
24:32
Speaker 2: But it seems obvious, doesn't The governments have deliberately increased
24:36
Speaker 2: taxes on tobacco. They've enjoyed the revenue, but the health
24:40
Speaker 2: benefits have been that has pushed more and more people
24:43
Speaker 2: away from smoking. But there's a hard core still smoking,
24:46
Speaker 2: and that creates the market, does it? You push the
24:48
Speaker 2: price up, Sure, fewer people smoke, but the price differential
24:53
Speaker 2: is this so great? That's what that surely is what's
24:56
Speaker 2: created the market. When cigarettes were cheaper, we didn't have
24:59
Speaker 2: illegal cigarettes creating a problem, did we.
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Speaker 6: Not?
25:03
Speaker 17: Really, No, we've always had a bit of a listed market.
25:06
Speaker 17: It was commonly referred to as chop chop. That's been
25:08
Speaker 17: around for decades. But back in the year two thousand,
25:12
Speaker 17: the exercise rate was twenty cents per stick and now
25:14
Speaker 17: it's a dollar fifty, So it's gone up seven hundred
25:17
Speaker 17: and fifty percent in that time, and that's attracted other.
25:21
Speaker 11: Criminal gangs to come into the market. Because it's low risk.
25:24
Speaker 17: People are not getting arrested they're not going to jail,
25:27
Speaker 17: and they're making huge profits. These gangs fill a container
25:30
Speaker 17: for two hundred and fifty thousand overseas and sell it
25:33
Speaker 17: for eight to ten million when it lands here, so
25:36
Speaker 17: it could be up to forty to one the profit
25:38
Speaker 17: they're making.
25:39
Speaker 3: Well, obviously it's a problem.
25:41
Speaker 2: Obviously it's consuming a lot of police resources in the
25:43
Speaker 2: crimes that are going on behind it and in trying
25:46
Speaker 2: to intercept the tobacco. Surely the obvious thing would be
25:49
Speaker 2: to reduce the cost of cigarettes. If half the cost
25:52
Speaker 2: of cigarettes is from the taxes, would a significant reduction
25:56
Speaker 2: in the taxes undercut the crime.
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Speaker 17: Yes, that's an obvious part of the solution. It's more
26:04
Speaker 17: than fifty percent. It's about seventeen percent now the cost
26:07
Speaker 17: of cigarettes is the exis, So that would certainly lower
26:11
Speaker 17: the profit margins if we were to do that. But
26:15
Speaker 17: that's just one of the several ways that we can
26:19
Speaker 17: help fix it.
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Speaker 11: We haven't got a.
26:22
Speaker 17: Coordinated or consistent enforcement response across the nation. Each state
26:27
Speaker 17: is doing their own thing at the moment, and they're
26:30
Speaker 17: really playing they're really playing catch up.
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Speaker 3: Is it an important way?
26:34
Speaker 2: Is it crucial that governments try and lower the cost
26:37
Speaker 2: of legal cigarettes through reducing taxation.
26:40
Speaker 11: That's the key driver.
26:41
Speaker 17: So if they don't do that, I would think that
26:44
Speaker 17: the enforcement agencies are fighting an uphill battle to rein
26:48
Speaker 17: it in the Other thing that Australia is not doing
26:50
Speaker 17: that other countries are doing is embracing harm reduction products,
26:55
Speaker 17: so nicotine safe in nicotine products like New Zealand, like
26:59
Speaker 17: the from the like and as a result they've had
27:02
Speaker 17: lower smoking rates.
27:04
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Rowan really appreciate your insights. Ryan
27:07
Speaker 2: Pike there used to be with the Australian Federal Police.
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Speaker 3: Lots of other things to do, but lower the government
27:12
Speaker 3: taxes on cigarettes. That way you undercut the black market.
27:16
Speaker 3: It just makes so much sense. Now coming up.
27:18
Speaker 2: After the break and Greta Tomberg been struck by that
27:21
Speaker 2: drone we'll told you about earlier. Tim Blair joins me.
27:30
Speaker 2: Let's catch up with Tim Blair as we do on
27:32
Speaker 2: a Tuesday. He's with the Daily Telegraph. He joins us
27:34
Speaker 2: live from the WIMM in Victoria. Good to talk to
27:37
Speaker 2: you again, Tim. You'll be very excited to get all
27:39
Speaker 2: the minute by minute updates of Greta Tomberg again on
27:43
Speaker 2: a flotilla heading towards the gaza.
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Speaker 18: Well, yes, if a fo as people say, in the
27:48
Speaker 18: cases like this, these people warned not to enter those areas,
27:52
Speaker 18: they're warned not to approach, and then they get hit
27:55
Speaker 18: by a drone and there's a bit of driver. So
27:57
Speaker 18: you know, the only question now at this point is
27:59
Speaker 18: what's the drone cause global warming? Can Greta bring all
28:02
Speaker 18: of their various concerns into one flashpoint.
28:05
Speaker 3: She's tried to do that before, hasn't she.
28:07
Speaker 2: Here they were in a port in Chinisia, apparently when
28:10
Speaker 2: a drone created some sort of fire on the vessel.
28:13
Speaker 19: Have a look, there's a fire on the front deck.
28:19
Speaker 8: We've been hurt.
28:21
Speaker 3: Where's the fire extinguished shirt? Where's the fire extinguish shirt?
28:26
Speaker 3: Where's the fire extinguisher?
28:27
Speaker 2: They probably want to get it out because it's creating
28:29
Speaker 2: a lot of the carbon monoxide. Also, I would have
28:35
Speaker 2: thought that the fire extinguisher is likely to be powered
28:37
Speaker 2: by Sigo too.
28:38
Speaker 3: But whatever it.
28:41
Speaker 2: Looked at nonsense that they spout, these people, the anti
28:45
Speaker 2: Israeli protesters.
28:47
Speaker 3: Let's just have a recap of what Greta's saying on
28:50
Speaker 3: this boat just.
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Speaker 6: Across the water from here.
28:53
Speaker 7: There is a genocide going.
28:54
Speaker 8: On a mass starvation committed by Israel's murder machine. Your complicity,
29:03
Speaker 8: everyone in your complicity in this genocide.
29:07
Speaker 11: Be human, and.
29:08
Speaker 8: No one is free until Policty is free.
29:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, be human. Now what astounds me? It shouldn't astound me, Tim, because,
29:16
Speaker 3: like you've spent decades in this game. But honestly, the.
29:20
Speaker 2: Extent to which people can throw around terms like genocide
29:23
Speaker 2: and mass starvation and deliberate starvation, all of the evidence
29:27
Speaker 2: showing that this is untrue, that there's all sorts of
29:29
Speaker 2: tricks being played by the Hummas propagandas and by the
29:33
Speaker 2: un types to sort of use this stat and that
29:36
Speaker 2: it's just nonsense. Yet it gets perpetuated and amplified through
29:40
Speaker 2: the media around the world.
29:42
Speaker 6: Well.
29:42
Speaker 18: Absolutely, And it's of a piece with Greta's previous obsession
29:45
Speaker 18: with the climate, that it's not just an issue of
29:48
Speaker 18: you know, we've got to be careful about our stewardship
29:51
Speaker 18: of the earth, or we've got to look after some
29:53
Speaker 18: low lying areas of land. It's the earth will be destroyed,
29:56
Speaker 18: it will be wiped out, it will be obliterated. There's
29:59
Speaker 18: no there's no nuance with these people. There's no there's
30:02
Speaker 18: no sense of moderate reality with these people at all.
30:05
Speaker 18: It's all oblivion or nothing. So they in a way,
30:10
Speaker 18: it's quite natural for Gretta to have made this leap
30:12
Speaker 18: to just another form of catastrophism. So yeah, in her way,
30:16
Speaker 18: good good on her.
30:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's sticking to her catastropheus roots, her extremist roots.
30:21
Speaker 14: Now.
30:21
Speaker 2: I love your column this week talking about some of
30:23
Speaker 2: the nonsense that goes on in the transgender business. I
30:26
Speaker 2: thought you were typically brave and hilarious by finding some
30:30
Speaker 2: other words we tend to use for people who don't
30:32
Speaker 2: have penises, and one of them you suggested was people
30:36
Speaker 2: who can't reverse park.
30:37
Speaker 3: Have you got a lot of feedback about that yet?
30:41
Speaker 18: I think I'm sleeping outside tonight. But yeah, the terrible
30:47
Speaker 18: irony about my own personal cases of my wife is
30:49
Speaker 18: actually a far better car parker than I am, and
30:51
Speaker 18: the various dense and scratches on our car's testament to this.
30:55
Speaker 18: So yeah, there was a bit of hypocrisy in that.
30:57
Speaker 3: There was.
30:58
Speaker 2: But the serious when you were making is this how
31:00
Speaker 2: facts go out in the window, right, people are supposed
31:02
Speaker 2: to forget And that brilliant observation from JK.
31:06
Speaker 3: Rowling that you pointed out, Oh.
31:08
Speaker 18: Look, absolutely, it's demented. How far this debate's going on now?
31:12
Speaker 18: Of course it's been wound back, and the column does
31:14
Speaker 18: mention Malcolm Gladwell, the New York based author, very popular author.
31:20
Speaker 18: You know, there's a few books of his on my
31:21
Speaker 18: shelves right behind us. But lovely author. But do you
31:24
Speaker 18: get sucked in by the various left wing causes? And
31:27
Speaker 18: a few years ago on a debate panel, he agreed
31:30
Speaker 18: with everyone that you trans folk deserved to be deserved
31:34
Speaker 18: to partesipated in women's sport, and now he's run away
31:37
Speaker 18: from that and said that at the time he was
31:39
Speaker 18: pressured by he was cowed by public pressure and he's
31:43
Speaker 18: deeply ashamed of what he said. I think we're going
31:45
Speaker 18: to find a lot more people saying that in the coming.
31:47
Speaker 3: Months, So they should. I mean that JK.
31:49
Speaker 2: Rowling one was discussing it related to a crime and
31:51
Speaker 2: alleged crime with a transgender person and the judge talking
31:54
Speaker 2: about showing her penis to kids in a playground.
31:58
Speaker 3: Let's stick to the facts. This is a man doing
32:00
Speaker 3: this to the children.
32:01
Speaker 2: Just shocking stuff, you know, Let's stick to reality and
32:04
Speaker 2: good on JK.
32:06
Speaker 3: Rowlings for pointing this stuff out. I want to have
32:08
Speaker 3: a bit of fun though.
32:08
Speaker 2: While we've got so many serious issues confronting the country,
32:11
Speaker 2: our prime minister is busying himself with some podcasts and
32:15
Speaker 2: the like.
32:16
Speaker 3: He's the sort of thing he's getting up to. And
32:20
Speaker 3: I suggested those opposite that they go touch grass during the.
32:23
Speaker 19: Break, We're going to say the word and then you
32:26
Speaker 19: have to guess what it might mean touch grass or
32:28
Speaker 19: go and touch grass, keep your feet on the ground,
32:33
Speaker 19: like come back down to earth.
32:34
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah much, yeah, yeah fantastic. That apparently is what
32:40
Speaker 3: touch grass means.
32:42
Speaker 2: But I want to show you a clip from a
32:44
Speaker 2: film called Legally Blonde, because we seem to get a
32:48
Speaker 2: reference to that in this podcast as well.
32:50
Speaker 3: Here's the movie. First. I'm sorry, are you to see me?
32:55
Speaker 1: Now?
32:55
Speaker 20: Silly?
32:56
Speaker 3: I go?
32:56
Speaker 11: Here you go?
32:58
Speaker 21: Wearer?
33:00
Speaker 11: Moscool?
33:02
Speaker 6: You got into Harvard law?
33:05
Speaker 9: What like it's hard?
33:08
Speaker 3: Okay? And this is our prime minister in the lodge.
33:12
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, are you're tossing me?
33:14
Speaker 4: No?
33:15
Speaker 1: Silly?
33:15
Speaker 21: I go?
33:16
Speaker 6: Here you go?
33:18
Speaker 11: Where Harvard?
33:20
Speaker 6: Moscool? You got into Harvard law?
33:25
Speaker 9: What like it's hard?
33:31
Speaker 3: Jim?
33:32
Speaker 18: Why it's inexplicable? I don't know if there's any greater
33:39
Speaker 18: background than that, or it's just people being idiots through
33:41
Speaker 18: the first time they've got a video camera in their hands.
33:43
Speaker 18: Is like something that people used to do in the
33:45
Speaker 18: seventies and eighties. They just filmed dumb things. But here's
33:49
Speaker 18: the thing that should be infuriating for the Libs and
33:52
Speaker 18: for the conservative movement in Australia in general. He can
33:55
Speaker 18: keep on doing this, Albanies, he can keep on being
33:57
Speaker 18: as dumb as hell because no one is laying a
34:00
Speaker 18: finger on him. They're all focused on internal brawls. They're
34:03
Speaker 18: all attacking each other.
34:05
Speaker 11: Albo.
34:06
Speaker 18: If an election was called tomorrow and that was Elbow's
34:09
Speaker 18: advertising campaign, his promotion command, he would win again, probably
34:13
Speaker 18: a couple of all seas up. So you know the
34:15
Speaker 18: laugh here, we're mocking Elbow, as we should because that
34:18
Speaker 18: was ridiculous and he looks like a fool. But the
34:21
Speaker 18: laugh really ends up on the other side of politics,
34:23
Speaker 18: because if you can't take it a bloke like that,
34:26
Speaker 18: you're not really firing.
34:27
Speaker 3: You are spot on, You are absolutely spot on. The
34:29
Speaker 3: only way he gets away with all this nonsense is
34:31
Speaker 3: because he's not ducking any punches from the coalition. Thanks
34:34
Speaker 3: for joining us, Tim We'll see you later in the
34:36
Speaker 3: week with Mark Nicholson. We better get to a breakdown
34:38
Speaker 3: on the other side or catch.
34:39
Speaker 2: Up with Kristen's Tate in the US. We're going to
34:41
Speaker 2: discuss the new developments in the Epstein Files saga across
34:50
Speaker 2: the Boston and catch up with Christin in just a moment.
34:52
Speaker 2: But first, the long running saga over the Epstein Files continues,
34:57
Speaker 2: with Democrats now releasing a note Donald Trump allegedly sent
35:01
Speaker 2: to Jeffrey Epstein marking his fiftieth birthday. The note, with
35:05
Speaker 2: an outline of a woman's body, is in the form
35:08
Speaker 2: of a conversation between Jeffrey and Donald and finishes with
35:12
Speaker 2: Donald saying a Powell is a wonderful thing. Happy birthday,
35:16
Speaker 2: and may every day be another wonderful secret. Trump and
35:20
Speaker 2: his team deny any knowledge of the letter. It's certainly
35:24
Speaker 2: a bizarre story, and I asked our US analyst Christen
35:27
Speaker 2: Tate where it might be going.
35:30
Speaker 7: You know, it's so hard to say. I find it
35:33
Speaker 7: very odd that when the Democrats were in power, they
35:36
Speaker 7: had no interest in releasing anything related to Jeffrey Epstein,
35:39
Speaker 7: and now that they find themselves out of power, they're
35:42
Speaker 7: pushing for transparency, and they're telling us the reason we
35:45
Speaker 7: haven't gotten it it's because Trump is somehow implicated. I've
35:49
Speaker 7: been saying for a long time. I've been writing articles
35:52
Speaker 7: about the fact that the Trump administration really should just
35:55
Speaker 7: release everything. People want to know the truth, and it's
35:59
Speaker 7: not about whether or not Trump was involved. It's about
36:02
Speaker 7: the fact that people feel like their government has been
36:05
Speaker 7: lying to them. So Trump claims he has nothing to
36:07
Speaker 7: do with this letter to Ebstein. His reps are saying no,
36:11
Speaker 7: And I don't even think it's about that. It's about
36:13
Speaker 7: people just wanting to feel like our government is telling
36:15
Speaker 7: us the truth at this point.
36:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right. Absolutely, transparency is key. But
36:20
Speaker 2: when it comes to this so called letter, the White
36:23
Speaker 2: House spokesperson Caroline Leavitt has been out there. She says
36:26
Speaker 2: the latest piece published about this by the Wall Street
36:29
Speaker 2: Journal proves this entire birthday card story is false. And
36:34
Speaker 2: as she said all along, she says, President Trump didn't
36:37
Speaker 2: draw this and he didn't sign it, and the Trump
36:39
Speaker 2: legal team is still looking suing people for putting this
36:42
Speaker 2: story out there, so we'll.
36:44
Speaker 3: See what happens with that.
36:45
Speaker 2: I want to move on to a speech that the
36:47
Speaker 2: President has given where he's talked about his war on witness.
36:53
Speaker 2: If you like he's going to continue to fight against
36:55
Speaker 2: the woe, here's some of what he had to say.
36:58
Speaker 11: The woke agenda is practically gone. It's deep seated. We
37:02
Speaker 11: have to make sures out. It's very bad. It's like
37:06
Speaker 11: a weed. Do you think you killed it? And then
37:07
Speaker 11: it's sush growing again, So we have to be careful.
37:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, good an him for having a crack
37:14
Speaker 3: at this.
37:14
Speaker 2: It's political correctness, it's wokness, whatever you want to call it,
37:17
Speaker 2: but it's infecting all sorts of devices, particularly when it
37:20
Speaker 2: comes to identity politics and gender and transgender issues.
37:27
Speaker 7: Yes, and Trump is correct. Wokeness is dying. I don't
37:31
Speaker 7: think it will ever be dead in this country, but
37:33
Speaker 7: it's certainly out of fashion. You know, Chris, I have
37:35
Speaker 7: some friends who work in academics at the college level,
37:39
Speaker 7: and they're all telling me the same thing, which is,
37:41
Speaker 7: the younger kids who are coming into college now are
37:44
Speaker 7: pretty much right of center compared to the kids who
37:47
Speaker 7: are coming into college a decade ago.
37:49
Speaker 3: Why is that.
37:50
Speaker 7: It's because young people have this desire to rebel against authority,
37:54
Speaker 7: and these children were all raised in schools with finger
37:57
Speaker 7: wagging middle aged guidance ouncelers and school teachers pushing woke nonsense,
38:04
Speaker 7: and they are rebelling against that. So conservatism has become
38:07
Speaker 7: kind of cool again, and it's this younger generation. I
38:10
Speaker 7: think that is kind of killing wokeness. And of course
38:13
Speaker 7: Trump and his leadership from the top is helping that.
38:16
Speaker 7: He is the ultimate symbol of anti woke.
38:18
Speaker 3: Gee. I hope you're right.
38:20
Speaker 2: But to underline the point you're making, there was a
38:22
Speaker 2: twelve year old who spoke alongside the president.
38:25
Speaker 3: Have a look at that.
38:26
Speaker 22: When I was in fifth grade, my school forced me
38:28
Speaker 22: to teach my kindergarten buddy about changing his gender using
38:31
Speaker 22: a book called My Shadow Is Pink. The book said
38:34
Speaker 22: you can choose your gender based on feelings instead of
38:37
Speaker 22: how God made us. I knew this was not right,
38:39
Speaker 22: but I was afraid of getting in trouble.
38:42
Speaker 11: After my family.
38:43
Speaker 22: Spoke up, the school treated us badly and kids started
38:46
Speaker 22: bullying me and my brother because of our faith, and
38:49
Speaker 22: the school did nothing to stop it.
38:51
Speaker 3: Yeah. Good on him. He's a classic example.
38:53
Speaker 2: He's got that indoctrination and he's fighting against it. Christian,
38:57
Speaker 2: I hope this happens in our country, you would get
39:00
Speaker 2: people walking up. But our schools are now just they're
39:02
Speaker 2: churning out great at Tomberg's by the score.
39:05
Speaker 3: And of course you can be.
39:06
Speaker 2: Great whether you're a male or a female. So everybody
39:09
Speaker 2: wants to be great at tomberg. Hopefully we get a
39:11
Speaker 2: bit of a backlash in this country. But I want
39:14
Speaker 2: to ask you again about a topic we spoke about
39:16
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, and that is the law
39:18
Speaker 2: and order issue in DC and the way the President
39:21
Speaker 2: has got the National Guard involved there. And of course
39:25
Speaker 2: now you mentioned then that there was the potential for
39:29
Speaker 2: action in Chicago, but that's bunn up into a big controversy.
39:33
Speaker 3: Now do you think anything's going to happen in Chicago.
39:37
Speaker 7: You know, Trump is saying he is going to send
39:39
Speaker 7: the National Guard there. He's also threatening to do it
39:42
Speaker 7: or has threatened to do it in New York City.
39:44
Speaker 7: This is something that needs to happen. The crime rates
39:48
Speaker 7: in American cities right now are completely out of control.
39:52
Speaker 7: It's not just Chicago. I saw a news story this morning, Chris,
39:55
Speaker 7: about a Ukrainian woman who escaped from Ukraine because she
40:00
Speaker 7: was terrified of the war over there. Moved to Charlotte,
40:03
Speaker 7: North Carolina. I was just riding on the train and
40:06
Speaker 7: was killed for absolutely no reason in a random attack
40:09
Speaker 7: on an American train. This is happening in American cities today.
40:14
Speaker 7: US cities on public transit can be, in some situations,
40:17
Speaker 7: more dangerous than being in a war zone in Ukraine.
40:20
Speaker 7: It's absolutely crazy. Of course, Chicago's ground zero for this
40:24
Speaker 7: kind of violence. Gain shootings all over the place, drugs,
40:28
Speaker 7: tent cities, homelessness, and this all happens most of it anyway,
40:32
Speaker 7: under Democrat leadership in these cities. If they can't protect
40:36
Speaker 7: their citizens and keep their streets safe, Donald Trump's going
40:40
Speaker 7: to have to step in and do that job for them.
40:41
Speaker 7: So I hope he does good on his promise and
40:44
Speaker 7: suns the National Garden.
40:45
Speaker 4: There.
40:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's have a look at what the authority side
40:48
Speaker 2: about this.
40:49
Speaker 23: This is an opportunity for us to go into sanctuary
40:52
Speaker 23: cities and work against these sanctuary city policies and not
40:56
Speaker 23: let them deter ice from being able to do our
40:58
Speaker 23: work to go after the wars of the worst. The
41:00
Speaker 23: guy behind me who committed sexual assault against a minor,
41:03
Speaker 23: I mean, these criminal aliens have erect havoc on the
41:05
Speaker 23: American people for years, and that time is over. And
41:08
Speaker 23: even when we have pushedback from Democrat leadership, that's not
41:12
Speaker 23: going to stop us. We're going to continue to go
41:14
Speaker 23: after the worst of the worst.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you've got people talking about enforcing the law
41:19
Speaker 2: like this, and when you have crime problems, and that
41:21
Speaker 2: murder you refer to was absolutely horrific, a senseless murder
41:25
Speaker 2: of an innocent woman traveling on a train.
41:29
Speaker 3: Of course, the public's going to support this.
41:31
Speaker 20: Donald Trump's been out there as usual on social media.
41:34
Speaker 20: He says he loves the smell of deportations in the morning,
41:37
Speaker 20: an extraordinary typical Trump talking about the chip elypse now
41:42
Speaker 20: instead of apocalypse now to sort things out in Chicago.
41:46
Speaker 20: And he's had to go at the media too, and
41:49
Speaker 20: the way that's been framing this. Have a look at
41:52
Speaker 20: this exchange.
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Speaker 6: You see that going.
41:56
Speaker 19: That'spec news.
41:59
Speaker 11: Listen, client, listen. You don't listen.
42:02
Speaker 3: You never listening.
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Speaker 24: That's why you're second grade. We're not going to war.
42:06
Speaker 11: We're going to clean up our city. We're going to
42:09
Speaker 11: clean them up so.
42:09
Speaker 24: They don't kill five people every weekend.
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Speaker 1: That's not war.
42:13
Speaker 3: That's common sense.
42:14
Speaker 2: He's so much on these plant Christians, still trying to
42:16
Speaker 2: settle the war in Ukraine, still trying to get help
42:19
Speaker 2: out with a pace settlement in the Middle Acet. But
42:22
Speaker 2: this war on crime at HOIM is probably going to
42:25
Speaker 2: be even more important for the country.
42:29
Speaker 7: Yeah, certainly something that affects many Americans every day, and
42:32
Speaker 7: Trump is just a genius at this. He constantly is
42:36
Speaker 7: forcing liberals to defend the undefendable because they will just
42:39
Speaker 7: oppose anything that he supports. So he says he wants
42:43
Speaker 7: to get rid of violent, criminal illegal immigrants, something that
42:46
Speaker 7: polls tell us eighty percent of American support, and he
42:49
Speaker 7: basically forces them into the position where they're now having
42:52
Speaker 7: to defend not deporting illegal immigrant criminals, especially in a
42:56
Speaker 7: place like Chicago, and the Democrats are out there about it.
43:00
Speaker 7: It's just absurd.
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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you as ever, Christen.
43:04
Speaker 3: We'll catch up next week.
43:07
Speaker 7: Thank you, Chris.
43:09
Speaker 2: Never a dull moment with the Donald is there. We're
43:12
Speaker 2: going to take a break. On the other side, I
43:13
Speaker 2: have Susi O'Brien and Stephen senter Tampa. We'll get back
43:16
Speaker 2: to that gang violence in Victoria. Let's get into the
43:23
Speaker 2: panel now with Suzi O'Brien, whose News Corps National Education editor.
43:27
Speaker 2: She joins US Life from Melbourne, and Steve Senna Tampo Brecky,
43:30
Speaker 2: host on two Double C in Canberra, joining us of
43:33
Speaker 2: course from the nation's capital. But it's all happening in
43:37
Speaker 2: Victoria again, Susie. I've got to start with you again
43:40
Speaker 2: because there's so much going on there. There's big news
43:43
Speaker 2: in Victoria but around the nation. And first off, of
43:46
Speaker 2: course I want to get to this crime crisis and
43:48
Speaker 2: the gang crime crisis.
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Speaker 3: And over the years we've heard so much denial from
43:54
Speaker 3: police and from politicians. Surely they're starting to realize now
43:58
Speaker 3: they've got a real to deal with. Give us a
44:01
Speaker 3: sense of the community response in Melbourne.
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Speaker 21: I think people over the weekend were sickened when they
44:08
Speaker 21: heard that a twelve year old and a fifteen year
44:10
Speaker 21: old were killed in a knife attack a machete attack.
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Speaker 21: As far as I know, the people who allegedly did
44:15
Speaker 21: it youth are still on the run. They haven't been
44:19
Speaker 21: caught yet. There was another young man from South Sudan
44:23
Speaker 21: who was killed in a drive by shooting in the
44:25
Speaker 21: CBD a couple of days ago. There's one school in
44:29
Speaker 21: the outer suburbs that has had two kids die from
44:33
Speaker 21: stabbing attacks in the last two years alone. No wonder
44:37
Speaker 21: some people from African countries are saying it's safer back
44:40
Speaker 21: home than it is on the streets of Melbourne. And
44:43
Speaker 21: I think it's an absolute indictment on our city and
44:47
Speaker 21: it's sad and shaming and embarrassing that people do not
44:52
Speaker 21: feel safe in their own homes or even out on
44:55
Speaker 21: the street.
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Speaker 3: Well said Susie.
44:57
Speaker 2: And your reference to that story in the Herald Sun
45:00
Speaker 2: about African kids being sent to boarding school in Africa.
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Speaker 3: Really hit home for me.
45:05
Speaker 2: I've had a bit to do with a school in
45:07
Speaker 2: Tanzania where a lot of Australians spend a lot of
45:09
Speaker 2: money helping Tanzanian kids to get educated. But Stephen to
45:13
Speaker 2: think that kids raised in Melbourne in African Australian families,
45:17
Speaker 2: their families are finding the money to somehow get them
45:20
Speaker 2: to boarding school back in Africa, to get them away
45:23
Speaker 2: from both the risk of the crime and of course
45:26
Speaker 2: the whole gang scene. That surely is a cut through
45:30
Speaker 2: moment with people reading about that today.
45:33
Speaker 3: It's extraordinary, isn't it.
45:34
Speaker 24: They have people come to Australia to give their kids
45:36
Speaker 24: a better life, and they've got to send them back
45:39
Speaker 24: to where they came from to keep them safe. But
45:41
Speaker 24: I think there's a few things when you need to
45:43
Speaker 24: acknowledge here. I mean, if we think about the gang
45:44
Speaker 24: lang wars in Melbourne in the eighties and nineties and
45:47
Speaker 24: the bad old days of the cross in Sydney in
45:49
Speaker 24: the seventies, organized crime and these gangs, they were less
45:53
Speaker 24: indiscriminate and innocent people rarely got caught in the crossfire.
45:57
Speaker 24: But nowadays we're seeing rampant violent until we're willing to
46:01
Speaker 24: one call it out, call it what it is. Secondly,
46:04
Speaker 24: acknowledge that there are certain ethnic groups involved, but more importantly,
46:08
Speaker 24: worry more about protecting people and keeping people safe than
46:12
Speaker 24: offending people. Well, this is going to keep on going
46:14
Speaker 24: the way it is in this rampant fashion.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is spot on.
46:17
Speaker 2: You've got to worry more about the crime and stopping
46:20
Speaker 2: the crime and getting offenders, not worrying about creating offense
46:23
Speaker 2: with the chattering classes. Now, the new opposition leader in
46:27
Speaker 2: Victoria strikes me as a bit of a wet lettuce,
46:29
Speaker 2: but he said the.
46:30
Speaker 3: Right thing on this today.
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Speaker 9: I think every single time we have another incident in
46:35
Speaker 9: the state. The Premier's got another excuse on why she
46:38
Speaker 9: hasn't done anything. Premier, my message back to is quite simple.
46:42
Speaker 9: Back break, bail, face jail, Give the police the resources
46:45
Speaker 9: they urgently need to keep the community safe, and make
46:48
Speaker 9: sure we've got sentencing that he's in line with community
46:51
Speaker 9: expectations to keep these crooks off the street.
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Speaker 3: That's what people want, Susie, and that's what people know works.
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Speaker 7: Well.
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Speaker 21: This latest attack on the fifth twelve and fifteen year olds,
47:04
Speaker 21: which apparently was a case of mistaken identity, was perpetrated
47:08
Speaker 21: by young people with machetes. Now, we just had a
47:10
Speaker 21: machete band that came into force about a week ago,
47:14
Speaker 21: two weeks ago, and yet they're blatantly no one seems
47:18
Speaker 21: to care. No one seems to care about changes to
47:20
Speaker 21: the bay all laws. No one seems to care about
47:22
Speaker 21: changes to the machete laws. So there has to be
47:24
Speaker 21: more done to keep people safe.
47:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, more police, more resources.
47:29
Speaker 2: Are wanting to stay in Victoria and Steve and I'll
47:31
Speaker 2: get your thoughts from outside on this. I warned on
47:34
Speaker 2: the night that the Voice was defeated. They said, don't
47:36
Speaker 2: think that you've gotten rid of these issues. All you've
47:38
Speaker 2: done is make sure there's no national oversight of all
47:41
Speaker 2: these things.
47:42
Speaker 3: The states are plowing.
47:43
Speaker 2: On ahead, and now there's going to be a treaty
47:45
Speaker 2: and a voice, and they're even saying every kid in
47:47
Speaker 2: school is going to be taught about Indigenous truth telling. Now,
47:50
Speaker 2: if that's truthful, good, But I've got my doubts.
47:56
Speaker 6: What is truth telling?
47:57
Speaker 24: The problem is we live in this post truth world
47:59
Speaker 24: where truth is now subjective. We have people saying my
48:02
Speaker 24: truth and their truth and your truth. There's only one truth.
48:05
Speaker 24: It is the truth, and it's actuality. I've never understood
48:09
Speaker 24: what the concept of this truth telling is. I mean,
48:11
Speaker 24: when I was at school we learned about Aboriginal history.
48:14
Speaker 24: I think it was true. Am I now being told
48:17
Speaker 24: that it's not. I don't understand what this concept means.
48:19
Speaker 3: That's the trouble.
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Speaker 2: They taught that we want truth telling, you want truth
48:23
Speaker 2: in history, but Susie, we get all this dark mu
48:26
Speaker 2: stuff instead.
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Speaker 21: Well, I think that I don't mind kids learning a
48:32
Speaker 21: version of truth, but as long as it's put against
48:34
Speaker 21: a broader context of the benefits of colonization, we wouldn't
48:38
Speaker 21: have a modern day Australia. So I don't mind them
48:42
Speaker 21: learning some of the stuff about colonization and dispossession and
48:46
Speaker 21: alleged genocide, etc. As long as there's a broader context
48:50
Speaker 21: and a broader history, not just this is one view,
48:54
Speaker 21: this is the only view. This is our truth. Thought
48:57
Speaker 21: must be everyone's truth, because that's simply not.
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Speaker 3: Now we have run out of time.
49:01
Speaker 2: I was going to you know, my interest in dogs
49:04
Speaker 2: and the safety of people and children and our dogs.
49:06
Speaker 2: I've got to point out that a seventeen year old girl,
49:09
Speaker 2: Annalise Blyton, she's died in hospital now, days after being
49:13
Speaker 2: mauled by a friend's dog in Singleton in New South Wales.
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Speaker 3: So another death from dogs. We've got to do better
49:18
Speaker 3: on this stuff. It's just shocking.
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Speaker 2: But we'll come back to that issue another time. Thanks
49:22
Speaker 2: for joining us, Steven and Susie. I appreciate it. We
49:25
Speaker 2: do just have enough time to share some of your
49:27
Speaker 2: feedback over the gang crime in Melbourne and what we
49:30
Speaker 2: had to say about it last night. One viewer says,
49:32
Speaker 2: I whip from what my country has become and I
49:35
Speaker 2: despise the woke politicians who enabled it. Another viewer says, wait,
49:41
Speaker 2: you mean, genius Premier just said to Alan, didn't solve
49:44
Speaker 2: crime in Victoria with a machete. Bins, surely you jest,
49:48
Speaker 2: and Harvey says, would love to see these thugs crying
49:51
Speaker 2: in the courtroom after being handed the death sentence, But no, this.
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Speaker 3: Country is too afraid.
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Speaker 2: It's a very very sad occasion, the death of that,
50:00
Speaker 2: those two teenagers in We will follow more on that
50:02
Speaker 2: in the future.
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Speaker 3: He's Peter Quendlin.
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Speaker 9: Mm hmmm
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Speaker 2: Mm hm