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S5 192. VickiJoy Anderson - Strong Tower, White Stone's & Bold as Lions · Millennial Mustard Seed

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  Hey, this is Vicki Joy Anderson and you are listening to The
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  Millennial Mustard Seed. Vicki, it's an honor to be back
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  with you. I want to say this is part
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  three. Over the years, you're demanded
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  to come back by faithful listeners, and I wouldn't have
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  it any other way myself. I'm honored to have you here
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  with me for a fascinating conversation.
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  I'm looking forward to it. I'm anxious to see where the
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  Spirit takes it. You know, if if I could before
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  we got on here and hit record. One of the things that you said
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  in your prayer is something that I've actually been latching hold
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  of for like the last seven to 10 days and that is you quoted the
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  name of the Lord is a strong tower.
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  The righteous run to it and they're safe.
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  And so it is really funny that the reason why that verse came
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  back to my mind. What was I had a week where for
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  like 3 days I was just getting clobbered on my socials, you
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  know, everybody calling me names and everything and it, you know,
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  usually I have a super thick skin.
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  I like do not care. But it was, it was three like
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  intense days. It was like a trial by fire,
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  right? And so it, I found that whenever
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  it came to mind, the way I took the thought captive, as I said,
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  the name of the Lord is a strong tower.
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  The righteous run to it and they're safe.
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  And so then, as I always do, I was kind of trying to visualize
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  that metaphor because it's strange wording.
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  The name of the Lord. It's not The Lord is a strong
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  tower. The name.
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  I'm like, what? And so I was sort of perplexed
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  over that. And then, you know, we get this
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  image of when we think tower, we think medieval.
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  We think like the keep in the castle, right?
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  We think the Lord of the Rings where the invading army is
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  coming. So all the women and the
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  children get put in the tower. They put in the keep.
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  They're going to be protected, right?
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  And that's always the way I've thought of it.
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  And what was so weird is I was driving home from Tennessee just
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  a few days ago, and we drove by this very large, ominous 5G
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  tower that was super close to the freeway, like way closer
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  than usual. But what was really odd was that
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  lined up next to this tower was about 7:00 or 8:00 flags that
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  look like flags of the nations. And so I'm like, what in the
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  Nimrod is going on here with all the nation flags by this 5G
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  tower? And and then that verse popped
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  into my head again, the name of the Lord is a strong tower.
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  But at that point, the image that flashed into my mind was
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  this 5G tower. And I'm like, oh, tower.
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  We think about that in antiquated metaphorical terms,
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  like a tower, a keep, a castle, you know, and I'm thinking, I
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  wonder, look, I'm not trying to misinterpret Scripture and say
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  that the Greek, you know, or I'm not saying that it means a 5G
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  tower. But what I'm saying is in my
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  cultural context, I began to think, I'm curious if the
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  Hebrew, if the Hebrew says the name of the Lord is a strong
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  tower, the righteous run into it and they are safe, which is the
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  way we quote it? Or does the Hebrew actually say
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  the righteous run to it? So I grabbed my phone and I went
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  on to my, my Hebrew strongs and I, I realized I would, it was
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  one of those like, yes, you know, kind of moments the Hebrew
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  reads the name of the Lord is a strong tower.
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  The righteous run to it. Well, this doesn't make sense if
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  you're thinking in terms of a keep or a tower, because if you
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  run to a tower but you don't get inside of it, you're not safe.
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  And is this one of those situations where under the
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  inspiration of the Holy Spirit, who is timeless and knows all
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  generations that are ever going to come to the Scripture, did we
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  in the English have to modify that verse because it didn't
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  make sense compared to our our conception of a tower?
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  What if for our generation, 'cause I know a lot of people,
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  Rod, and I'm sure you do too, that are so fearful of 5G and 6G
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  and the tech and the sentience and the chat boxes and the AI
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  and how the infrastructure of technology is going to hijack
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  our brains. And we're going to become a hive
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  mind. And, you know, they're going to
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  take the, the, the God peace out of us and we're going to be
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  turned into zombies. And I mean, I know a lot of
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  Christians that have fear to the point where they can't sleep at
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  night and they're, they're, you know, making their own Faraday
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  cages and making their house bulletproof and all this stuff.
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  And I just thought in my own way, I thought the name of the
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  Lord is a strong 100 G tower. It's bigger, better, stronger.
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  Nothing is going to touch me if I run to that tower.
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  All your little, you know, chemtrails or whatever stupid
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  little thing you got up your sleeve.
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  Satan, my God, is a strong tower.
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  The power that emanates from this God that we serve.
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  Yeah, it is so much more powerful than any weapon.
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  The enemy will form against us. No weapon formed against us will
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  prosper. So even though I know that
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  obviously the Old Testament writer wasn't thinking of a 5G
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  tower, I'm just sharing with someone, with everybody,
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  something that kind of came into a new perspective to me.
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  And that when we run to the name of Jesus, whether you're running
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  into a keep or you're running to some sort of technological
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  advancement that even our generation has yet to figure
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  out, any way you slice it, he's stronger.
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  He's sufficient. When we are under His wings, we
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  will be safe. All right, we came into this
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  thing, running into the strong tower, pun intended, all over
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  that I pulled up Proverbs 1810. There you go, you.
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  Got the concordance out and the transliteration it the
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  pronunciation is Meg Dolla Oh. Meg Dolla.
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  And it reminds me of Doctor Laura's research, like her
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  talking about fear and amygdala being responsible for the fight
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  or flight. Oh God, OK.
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  OK, so there's something here because there's the flight,
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  right? Running away.
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  So you're using the reptilian portion of your brain, also
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  known as the amygdala, and that's responsible for this
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  function. And when I click on the word it
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  comes from the H1431-A tower from its size or height, but by
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  analogy a rostrum it says figuratively pyramidal.
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  Oh. And then a bed of flowers,
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  flower, castle, pulpit it, it keeps going down with its usage.
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  This is found like 48 times. And this is just opening the
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  concordinates and going along with you and looking at that.
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  So we're stumbling into territory here, which is exactly
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  what we're called to do. It's the glory of God to conceal
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  a matter, but the duty of the Princess and kings to seek it
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  out. And this is a fascinating way to
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  enter into this conversation. Yeah, yeah, I've been up to my
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  eyeballs in like sentient tech articles and and all that kind
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  of the hive mind and the transhumanism, right, and
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  ascension doctrine and and all this stuff.
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  Because I want to equip the church as, as Christianity
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  continues to tiptoe its way kind of further and further away from
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  the culture, context, history, language and geography of the
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  original text, We are going to perish for lack of knowledge if
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  we don't examine the scriptures in the the original context.
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  And I just think that, man, we are, there has never been a
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  generation more equipped to dive into the word of God than ours.
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  We've got everything online. We've got concordances.
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  We can take Greek and Hebrew classes.
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  We've got, I mean, we are absolutely without excuse.
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  Every single person who calls on the name of Jesus should be a
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  Bible scholar at this point with everything that we have at our
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  fingertips. I love it.
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  Well, so not that Camden's Owens would ever listen to this
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  podcast, but I'll give her a shout out of her people who are
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  a fan of her. She actually said in one of her
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  shorts that I stumbled upon, she's like, if you're not a
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  conspiracy theorist, a theorist at this point, you're lacking
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  intelligence in in a nutshell, what she's saying is like, Hey,
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  how many times have these people who were actually studying with
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  this Berean mentality behind the scenes, spending that time
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  really being about that life, really looking into the
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  scripture, really letting it move them and and finding it in
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  the Papyra, this ancient leaf, this Bible and and guys like
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  Doctor Chuck Missler, I mean, come on, game changers.
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  I've stood on his shoulder so many times.
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  And really, if we don't have the Hutzpah to understand what the
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  enemy is doing for the purpose of excommunicating those things
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  which are unholy, like it, like it says, have nothing to do with
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  the fruitless deeds of darkness, but be able to compartmentalize
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  this and and be ready in season out of season, being not ashamed
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  to rightfully divide the word right.
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  I mean, it's all over the Bible and it's all over the sons of
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  God as this being a responsibility.
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  It's not like a maybe or if you get time.
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  This is a lifestyle. And so you're saying things
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  like, Hey, everybody who calls on the name of the Lord should
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  be a theologian at this point. Well, the Bible is saying you
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  study to show yourself well approved.
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  You work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
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  So yes, verbatim from the Scriptures, right.
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  But this power is power. So what's on the tip of our
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  tongue? There's there's life and death
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  in the power of our words. And something, Vicki, that's
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  been fascinating to me is understanding the heavenly
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  scrolls. Like we say, we've been born for
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  such a time as this, rightfully so.
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  But there's volumes of things written about us.
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  There's a white stone at the end of the age, and he who endures
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  gets a whitestone with a name written on it that no man
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  knoweth the name. And it's like we're starting to
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  realize the walls, denominational preferences, all
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  of this disconnection and and craziness, all of the stark
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  raving mad activities that are occupied within the heights of
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  religion are not for the sons and daughters of God.
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  And we're not moving or doing things based on what we think is
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  acceptable to, to the populace. No, we're, we're taking it
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  before the Lord, praying and studying.
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  And so I'm sorry I'm ranting at this point, but but you have me
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  on the cloud 9 of I live in this space like this.
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  I love this. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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  You know, I'm just kind of in this space now if there's
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  nothing new under the sun. OK, well, what what about all
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  this tech? What about my iPhone?
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  Seriously, Solomon, come on. What?
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  So when I look at something like the Book of Revelation, I think
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  John was writing things that he probably didn't have any clue
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  how to describe it what it was, you know, and we've all heard
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  the things, especially back in the 80s, it was really popular
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  that like the wind creatures are the helicopters and you know, we
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  we heard all that stuff, right? And it was intriguing.
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  But when, when you said that about the white stone, when and,
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  and I just want, well, I want to preface it by this because I
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  don't want people to think we're not talking about anything
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  mystical here. If the occult knows about it, if
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  the world elite know about it, God's 10 billion times smarter
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  and bigger. So if, if, if I have something
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  in my hand with quantum capabilities, this is a toy
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  compared to the brain of God, right.
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  So so all that to say this this stone OK, if the if the
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  infrastructure of the beast system is this technology
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  because without technology, the beast is not omniscient, not
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  omnipresent, not omnipotent. So how does this beast look like
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  God? He has an infrastructure that
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  gives him the look of being everywhere with the cameras in
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  the satellites and the GPS positioning systems, etcetera.
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  He's got the look of being all knowing.
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  He's got the look of of it, but he he all you do is pull his
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  plug from the wall. All you do is have like what an
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  EMP failure and the beast is done it.
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  It's the it's the Wizard of Oz man behind the curtain moment
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  for that guy right. So prefacing that our
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  technological infrastructure, if you want to go into the elements
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  that make a computer chip, you're looking at stones, right?
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  And when you look at a whitestone with a new name on it
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  that no one knows, this is technology jargon.
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  This is a password that can't be encrypted.
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  You know, it's encrypted. It's an encrypted name.
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  It's an encrypted password etched on a stone.
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  I mean, I, I think here there's nothing new under the sun.
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  Your technology, Satan, you're crown jewel of AI chips that are
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  going to turn sentient and these quantum computers.
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  I I think John was writing about this stuff.
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  He beat you to the punch by couple.
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  You know, millennial here, millenniums here, right.
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  So I don't know. I just, I like to look at I'm,
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  I'm not trying to force modern interpretations into the text.
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  What I'm trying to do is get Christians especially to
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  understand, no matter how technologically advanced we get,
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  no matter what we can hack, what we can do, all this voice to
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  skull technology and they can read our minds and they can now
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  interact with our dreams like whatever they've discovered.
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  It is child's play to the mind of God.
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  That's why when the beast comes, he's going to be destroyed in a
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  moment and the world's going to look up on him and say that
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  that's what kept the nation's sway.
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  So we have to just understand that all of this technology,
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  it's absolutely nothing to to thwart the plans of God.
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  And the reason why I'm going in this direction right now, Rod,
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  is because I just think with this whole perishing for lack of
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  knowledge, what the the brick wall most people think, the
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  brick wall that they keep hitting as they try to know more
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  and more about God or the Bible is intellect.
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  Like, well, I don't know the Greek, I don't know the Hebrew.
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  I'm never been book smart and I'm not really good at reading.
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  The brick wall that keeps us from knowing more is fear went
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  and this goes back to the Magdala and what you're talking
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  about. And and this ties into
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  frequencies and things like that.
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  So here's the deal, because I see this in my own ministry.
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  I can quote something directly from the Bible and people will
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  say, quit scaring us. OK, this is what I have to say.
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  If I'm quoting a scripture and that scares you, that's not
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  between me and you. That's between you and God, who
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  tells us 365 times in the Bible to not be afraid.
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  So if you're afraid, you have to work that out with fear and
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  trembling. We have to stop turning around
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  at these brick walls when something scares us.
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  When something scares us, we're on the verge of breakthrough.
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  We have to work through that fear or we are never going to
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  know the real God or the real Messiah.
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  If we're looking for a safe, approachable Messiah who's
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  coming back with a sword strapped to his thigh, we're not
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  going to recognize the right guy because he's not going to be
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  he'll be safe for us because we're we're saved.
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  But if we're looking for something that we can completely
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  put into a box and understand and that it it works out with a
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  scientific method and nothing it look at every single person in
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  scripture that came even somewhat close to something
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  holy. These guys weren't jumping
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  around running to church the next day saying God, tell me
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  something in my dream last night like these weren't these people
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  were undone. They were scared, they were
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  repenting of their sins. They were falling on their
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  faces, they were fainting, they were trembling.
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  They were physically I'll for some weeks afterwards.
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  They were ostracized. Many of them were thrown out of
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  the temple. Some of them were martyred.
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  It is a serious thing to get in the proximity of holiness.
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  And so it will be a fearful journey and we have to stop
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  letting that you know, cognitive dissonance is the is the big
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  modern phrase. But this fear, because as soon
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  as we don't understand God, as soon as God or Jesus don't come
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  off like an approachable human being, we start to bristle.
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  We want a God that we can contain, that we can understand.
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  That's always going to be friendly.
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  It's always going to have his arm around us telling us we did
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  a great job and we have that to look forward to.
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  Rod, well done, good and faithful servant.
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  I'm looking forward to that. But we have to find ways where
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  our fear does not impede our increase of knowledge in getting
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  to know and love God. We, we have to have affections
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  for Jesus Christ and we cannot have genuine affections for him
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  if we're harboring sin in our heart.
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  And the, the, the obstacles to those affections.
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  We have to overcome our fear when we're in the word, when we
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  come up with a verse we don't like, we don't understand those
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  passages in Scripture that don't make immediate sense, where
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  women and children and animals are getting slaughtered.
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  And we have to work through those hard passages.
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  We have to tackle them. We can't just skip that verse
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  and move on to the next verse. And there's too many churches
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  where they're, you know, working through a chapter and then those
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  hard verses are mysteriously missing from next week's sermon.
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  We gotta stop doing that. There's nothing to be afraid of.
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  There's nothing that we can discover in the Bible that is
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  ultimately going to shake who God is or, or who we are in
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  Christ. We we, we do not have to be
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  afraid of the tough scary stuff, the spiritual warfare stuff, the
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  demonic stuff. I just think this is one of the
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  ways we need to encourage one another daily.
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  Don't be afraid if you're not, don't be afraid.
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  Don't be afraid. Press in harder.
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  There's so much that's coming to the forefront of my mind as I'm
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  listening to you. You know, perfect love casts out
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  fear, but yet God is saying with fear and trembling, work out
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  your salvation, but he's subscribing to us.
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  This is what you plug into. Do not fear the enemy.
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  Do not be dismayed right? 360 Sometimes it's in there for
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  us and it's always followed up with God, you know, saying do
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  not let my law depart from your mouth.
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  OK, so it might sound like I'm jumping around a little bit, but
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  in Proverbs it says so if a man thinketh he is right.
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  And so there's, you know, the placebo effect, which everybody
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  knows about. But there's the nocebo effect,
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  which is the negative connotation to you actually
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  having a precognitive idea in your mind about the medicine
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  having bad adverse reactions. So therefore you bring the onset
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  of a sugar pill that you think is, you know, whatever, right?
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  And it is medically studied show that.
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  So the vessels, the, the nephesh, the Ocarion that we
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  have because Christ came in the flesh.
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  This is the gospel like the Lamb of God comes in the flesh.
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  And so how, how do you feel fear?
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  You know, I, I've thought about this, I've been beaten to death.
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  I've thought about this, I've lived through this, right?
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  And, and you feel it like somewhere from your solar plexus
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  to your pineal, but your skin, you can feel it on your skin
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  when fear is in the air. And I really do think Vicki that
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  the demoniac pick up the scent, especially regional and
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  territorial spirits, fear and Doctor Lara's research is is
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  super lative. I mean, you know, I've had
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  plenty of off air discussions with her and she's been on the
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  show and you know, I like I, I know what she offers.
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  And that's why I'm such a, you know, loudspeaker saying, yeah,
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  I support what you're doing because not many people are
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  willing to come out and get to the nitty and gritty because a
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  lot of things are fear mongering, fear based, decision
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  making fear based. You know, I'm not going to work
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  with this person because I'm afraid what people may say about
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  me. And I don't want, I mean, come
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  on, we got to get past that 110%.
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  So I love what Dan Duvall says also because he's like, if the
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  enemy is this big and SRA is that bad and the systems have
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  been infiltrated this deep, he's going, that means God is bigger
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  than all of the compartmentalized plans of the
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  enemy. And he says we are going to have
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  a justice case, a testimony against the Kingdom of darkness.
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  That's what's happening. We're testifying, we're learning
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  this stuff. We're living in this space where
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  God is just doing something different.
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  The, the reprieve, whatever you want to call it, right?
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  There's something in the air that is different with the sons
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  of God. When we start to rise up and say
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  where my heel touches down belongs to the King of Kings.
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  And we start, you know, there's this whole thing where I'm not
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  going to say the guy's name, but a prominent minister.
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  And there's guys that that I've been leading and just coaching
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  and, and building with building them up for quite some time now.
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  We do a Thursday night prayer call and this one prominent
• 23:57
  preacher comes out and has this, this really well laid out
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  teaching like 45 minutes long talking about how we should
• 24:05
  really not wrestle and go to war and we should really be
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  submissive. And everything's in God's hands.
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  And, and it's like you use scripture in such a way that it
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  was the absence of everything that all the scriptures that God
• 24:18
  was giving me. So as I'm watching it, I'm
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  going, that's not genuine, that's not right.
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  Because God works in and through us, right?
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  We, we have literally a twinkling of an eye that will
• 24:31
  take place at his perfect timing.
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  Not one yacht or one title will pass away from what he has
• 24:36
  ordained to happen. And so you mean to tell me the
• 24:39
  vessel he's given me right now, I need to just bow down and roll
• 24:41
  over and let the enemy do whatever he wants to me?
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  Like because he's presenting scriptures where I'm like,
• 24:46
  you're right, but your context is off.
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  You're actually allowing fear to navigate the way that your
• 24:52
  ministry is working in order to not bring out the courage that
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  was in David and in Joshua and in Caleb.
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  And I'm sorry, but I'm on the other side of the spectrum here.
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  I am full-fledged into this thing and I'm not going to
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  relent. Amen.
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  I'm in, I'm in agreement. I'm going to I'm just pulling up
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  a verse here so I can get it get it right.
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  Hebrews 412. I've been in Hebrews the last
• 25:15
  couple days and Oh my gosh, what a book.
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  I 01 of these days we got to talk about Oh man, Rod, I I
• 25:22
  can't even go down that rabbit hole right now.
• 25:23
  We got to talk about the the priesthood, eternal priest.
• 25:26
  Oh my gosh. But anyway, it's not pulling it
• 25:31
  up. But Hebrews 412 is that the
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  Kingdom of God is taken by force.
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  The the is it the violent take it by force or the righteous
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  take it by force? We're.
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  Supposed if God suffers violence and violent men take it by
• 25:49
  force. Yeah.
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  And thinking it, that's what it is, really.
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  Again, OK, well, that's perplexing.
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  Violent men, you know, especially in our culture where
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  we're being told like, everybody has to calm down.
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  And, you know, I mean, we can't even speak truth without it
• 26:04
  being considered an assault. You know what I mean?
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  So, yeah, like, you know, there, there's certain things that we,
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  we pigeonhole everything, like anger, it's always bad.
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  But there's righteous anger. Am I not allowed to be angry
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  that children are being trafficked and destroyed?
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  Yeah, that's righteous anger. And you know, this whole thing
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  too with like, violence, violence is always bad.
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  And we need to be pacifist and we need to just sit here and,
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  you know, not defend our families and and what not.
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  There's a time for everything. Even Ecclesiastes says there's a
• 26:43
  time for war, a time for peace and it it's just having the
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  discernment to know what you know, we have to be honest with
• 26:51
  ourselves. This is why King David was said,
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  search me, try me. Oh God, is there any unclean
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  thing in me? Because sometimes we can think
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  our motives are righteous and they're not.
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  But there is a time to take action.
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  There is a time to say enough is enough.
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  And even these verses in Scripture, I'm not trying to
• 27:10
  step on toes here, Rod, but even the Scriptures that we quote and
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  that were quoted a lot in 2020 in Peter, in Romans, about we
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  are to just blindly fall on our faces and do every single thing
• 27:26
  the governing authorities tell us to do or we're somehow
• 27:29
  unpleasing to God. If you read those passages in
• 27:33
  context, the reason we are supposed to submit to governing
• 27:38
  authorities is because they were the ones called by God to uphold
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  the law, and because they're upholding righteousness, good
• 27:49
  and evil, right and wrong. If we rebel, it means we're
• 27:53
  rebelling against the law of God.
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  And so if all the sudden you have a rogue or a tyrannical
• 27:59
  government who's taken over and they are unjust and they are not
• 28:05
  upholding the laws and commands of God, we're we're not being
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  told to blindly follow after tyranny.
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  And and so I just think that we have to rightly divide some of
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  these more difficult passages. I mean, look how much war was
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  involved in the Old Testament. Now we figure out later when
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  we're much older, we figure out, oh, these were demigods and
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  these were maybe not even human in every case.
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  Like now all the sudden it makes sense why there is war going on.
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  And it it's just, it's so it's so complicated rod without
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  context. And and this is then where we
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  get God thrown into the bucket of just being a tyrant and a
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  jerk and blood, blood loving and fear mongering.
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  You know, we don't understand that.
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  Genesis 3 was the the the gun at the starting line, you know,
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  that started the seed war. There is our entire existence as
• 29:16
  humanity is basically we're cannon fodder in the middle of a
• 29:20
  seed war that's going on around us.
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  And if we can't see that and we think that we're all just
• 29:26
  supposed to sit around and just rest on our laurels till Jesus
• 29:30
  comes back, we're supposed to occupy till he comes.
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  That's a, that's a, that's a military term.
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  OK, where do I get my mind goes 10 places.
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  I'm in Second Samuel 21. The relevancy of this OK is this
• 29:51
  is powerful. Now, a couple things.
• 29:53
  I was in Mike Heiser's hometown, Lebanon, PA, where he was born
• 29:58
  and raised. And we had a, it was called a
• 30:00
  revival. A guy named Marcus Rogers came
• 30:04
  out who's really good friends with the gentleman that I
• 30:06
  minister with their like brothers.
• 30:08
  His name's Klaus. And leading up to this for three
• 30:13
  weeks during my men's Bible studies on Thursday nights, our
• 30:16
  prayer calls, whatever you want to call it, where we're hashing
• 30:18
  it out. I'm in Second Samuel 21 and I'm
• 30:22
  stuck there. Normally we, we'd spend a little
• 30:25
  time to go through it. I literally had like nine
• 30:28
  people. The core group like Rod, can we
• 30:30
  move on? I'm going, Nope, God didn't tell
• 30:33
  me I could move on from it yet. And there's, there's going to be
• 30:36
  about 10 guys out there smiling when they hear this recording
• 30:39
  because they're going to be like, Yup, we remember how
• 30:40
  adamant he was about staying there.
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  Well, we're going through second Samuel 21 over and over and over
• 30:46
  again. And this is what's interesting
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  is the Scriptures say that the seed of David will always be
• 30:57
  occupied by the righteous until this millennial reign of Christ,
• 31:02
  right? So it is literally a seat that
• 31:05
  is to be fulfilled. I think this intersects with
• 31:07
  Melchizedek, but I'm not going to get that deep and crazy into
• 31:10
  it. But So what we see David saying
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  here is a man after the Lord's heart, OK, is recognizing
• 31:18
  there's a famine in the land that lasted for three years.
• 31:23
  And David asked the Lord, and I'm going to paraphrase and kind
• 31:26
  of read through a little bit of it.
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  And the Lord said that the famine has come because Saul and
• 31:30
  his family are guilty of murdering the Gibeonites.
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  So the king summons the Gibeonites and they were not
• 31:37
  part of Israel, but they were they were left out of the
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  nations and they they were a part of these Amorites.
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  And so the people of of Israel had sworn not to kill them, but
• 31:47
  Saul and his zeal for Israel and Judah tried to wipe them out.
• 31:51
  So David asked them, what can I do for you?
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  Like, what's the recompense here?
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  How do we make this right? How can I make amends so that
• 31:59
  the Lord will bless his people again?
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  And they say, well, listen, money, that's not going to
• 32:06
  settle this matter between us, the family of Saul.
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  This, this is where the errors at and neither can we demand the
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  life of anyone in Israel and David's like just tell me what I
• 32:23
  got to do like this, this is getting crazy.
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  And they reply it was Saul who planned to destroy us to keep us
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  from having a place in this territory of Israel.
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  So let 7 of Saul's sons be handed over.
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  What's interesting is they literally say no person of
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  Israel can we demand their life, But right back-to-back then
• 32:43
  they're saying give us seven sons of Saul.
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  And so when you go on and on and just keep reading down through
• 32:49
  this, I'm challenging the listeners to go get into second
• 32:52
  statement 21 because for three weeks we extrapolated every
• 32:55
  detail out of there. I'm just trying to scoot through
• 32:57
  it right now, but really what it comes down to is there's a
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  spiritual legality on the land that is taking place.
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  The king understands this. He initiates with God what what
• 33:08
  happens here? Make contact with these people?
• 33:10
  There's an injustice. They figure out what the payment
• 33:13
  is. And then immediately when you
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  get to the bottom of this whole thing and the curse is lifted
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  from the land, it says as you read further down by God,
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  because of recompense has been given, what happens?
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  There's a physical battle. It's called battle against the
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  Philistine giants. And so Ishnabab was a descendant
• 33:34
  of the giants. His bronze spearhead weighed
• 33:37
  more than 7 lbs, just the tip of a spearhead.
• 33:42
  And he was armed with a new sword.
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  We'll have fun on that if we have time.
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  And he concerned himself that David was going to get killed by
• 33:54
  this new sword. But a gentleman steps in.
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  I can't pronounce his name. I still can't, even though I've
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  read it 1000 times. Ishinabaya, I think it is Ibaya,
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  son of Zariah, came to David's rescue, and he kills this
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  Philistine. And so David's men make this
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  declaration. And this is kind of where I'm
• 34:16
  going to wrap it up and just give a little bit more context
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  on why this is so important. They say, David, if you would
• 34:23
  have died, you would have risked snuffing out the light of
• 34:27
  Israel. So God is the same yesterday,
• 34:30
  today, and forever, right? That ends my reading right there
• 34:34
  in verse 17 of second Psalm. The 21.
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  I'm not, I'm not going to keep going through everything, but it
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  does have relevancy in this area.
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  God is the same. There's spiritual legalities
• 34:47
  over the land, there's recompense that need to be made.
• 34:49
  It's going to require sons of God to recognize that and say
• 34:52
  Lord, what needs to be handed over, what needs to happen?
• 34:56
  And then we literally see a physical battle with Raphaeum
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  with Nephilim, 6 fingers, right? I mean, they got 24 digits,
• 35:10
  double rows of teeth. And these guys are not playing
• 35:13
  around. Now when I was in Lebanon, PA to
• 35:16
  to wrap this thing up, Vicki, Mike Heiser's hometown, people
• 35:19
  are getting baptized or getting set free.
• 35:22
  I mean, this is a crazy, it's love in the streets.
• 35:24
  So this thing is happening in the streets.
• 35:25
  It's not even a fancy get to whatever you want to call it.
• 35:28
  It is literally happening. And Marcus comes in and as soon
• 35:33
  as he lands, you know, I go out and I meet him, I greet him.
• 35:35
  Marcus Rogers, for those of you who know who he is, he's just a
• 35:38
  man of God in my opinion. He's he's a forerunner, a
• 35:41
  visionary. And he says there's a shift in
• 35:46
  the spirit here. There's an opposition from the
• 35:49
  giants on this land. And he goes, God just had me
• 35:54
  rewrite my whole sermon. So he gets up there and starts
• 35:57
  speaking and he says, God led me to Second Samuel 21 and all, all
• 36:04
  my 10 guys are there at this revival in the streets and
• 36:09
  they're all looking at me and I'm like, we're on to something
• 36:13
  now. And he goes through and pulls
• 36:16
  out just gems. But the reason I say that is
• 36:21
  because that's what's happening. Men are rising up.
• 36:23
  Men are coming together. We're understanding.
• 36:25
  There's an ache, a sour spiritual condition on the land
• 36:30
  that needs needs some delivering over of some wicked servants who
• 36:35
  have not held their bargain. So whatever that means to you
• 36:40
  guys as listeners, it means just like I said it to you, Vicki.
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  You know, I'm going to pass it back to you with a question.
• 36:49
  At this point in time, with everything that you've
• 36:53
  experienced and up until this part of your your walk with the
• 36:57
  Lord, what is the most significant thing that you feel
• 37:01
  and see shifting right now in the body of Christ?
• 37:07
  That you're excited and feel the power building up from that.
• 37:13
  I think ever since 2020, I have seen a separation within the
• 37:23
  walls of the Capital Sea Church of the sheep and the goats, the
• 37:28
  wheat and the tares. There's been a shaking because
• 37:35
  guess what? It says in Hebrews to not
• 37:39
  forsake the gathering, especially as the days, you
• 37:43
  know, grow short. But most of the people that I
• 37:47
  know that left the church weren't the faithful people who
• 37:51
  were going to know. The people that left were the
• 37:54
  ones that realized the temple of God is no longer a safe place to
• 38:00
  hide. I'm getting out of here because
• 38:03
  when Jesus comes back, the the judgment begins with the House
• 38:08
  of God. And this is not where I want to
• 38:10
  be when judgment comes. And so I am, I am seeing a
• 38:17
  separation of, of the, of the sheep and the goats, the tares
• 38:23
  being pulled out of out of the church.
• 38:28
  And I'm seeing people that are going back to the concept that
• 38:34
  Christianity isn't a place or a religion, but it is a setting
• 38:40
  apart. I'm not going to look like my
• 38:44
  culture. I'm going to be separate.
• 38:48
  I'm not going to dress or eat or be entertained the way Babylon
• 38:54
  is entertained. And So what I think we need to
• 38:58
  be aware of, and this is potentially one of those brick
• 39:00
  walls where we become afraid. So we stick our head in the
• 39:03
  sand. But all of us want safety and
• 39:08
  prosperity. It's in our human nature to want
• 39:11
  to feel safe and to be able to feed our families and to not
• 39:15
  fear. And there's a lot of hope now in
• 39:22
  a lot of people because of the political goings on in the
• 39:28
  country. But here's the deal.
• 39:35
  In every case of revival, we're a nation.
• 39:39
  We don't want America to come back to financial prosperity.
• 39:43
  You know, as believers, we want we want to make America godly
• 39:48
  again, right? And so when you look at revivals
• 39:54
  where nations fall on their faces and repent of their sins
• 39:58
  and they turn back to God and all the bars and the strip
• 40:02
  joints close down and the porn industry goes down the tubes, it
• 40:05
  like when you're looking at that kind of a thing, what precedes
• 40:09
  revival is persecution. And because that's what brings
• 40:16
  on a humbling and a conviction and.
• 40:20
  What do we have in Revelation? What precedes the beast?
• 40:26
  Everyone running around saying peace, peace, safety, safety.
• 40:30
  So I'm not making any sort of, you know, this president is the
• 40:35
  Antichrist and this president is the fault.
• 40:37
  Like, I'm not saying any of that.
• 40:38
  What I'm telling you is if you're going to use our culture
• 40:43
  as a litmus test to determine where we are in terms of revival
• 40:48
  or the end, I'm telling you that prosperity leads to Antichrist
• 40:55
  beast system and persecution leads to revival.
• 41:03
  And so we have to read the signs correctly this kindergarten,
• 41:09
  understanding that as long as we're all happy and rich, God's
• 41:14
  blessing us. And if we're we're poor, he's
• 41:17
  turned his back on us. It's not a good litmus test.
• 41:22
  And so there's a shaking going on.
• 41:27
  And you know, you know what, Rod, I, I don't know if Jesus is
• 41:33
  coming back soon or if we are just coming to the end of the
• 41:38
  reign of the mighty United States of America.
• 41:41
  Guess what? When America crumbles and we're
• 41:43
  not rich and prosperous anymore, Jesus doesn't have to come back
• 41:47
  because we can't buy groceries anymore, right?
• 41:51
  You know, there are still hundreds of people, groups who
• 41:56
  have never heard the gospel in their language, never seen the
• 41:59
  word. Jesus doesn't have to, you know,
• 42:03
  hit the red button and destroy the whole planet before millions
• 42:08
  of people have heard the gospel because America's not rich
• 42:10
  anymore. And so we have to be sober about
• 42:13
  this. I'm just really realistically a
• 42:16
  realistic about it, Rod. And the reason why I'm not
• 42:18
  scared about it is I do know that even if everything I've
• 42:23
  known for my entire life goes away and the rest of my life is
• 42:29
  difficult. Yeah.
• 42:32
  Thou walk through the valley, the shadow of death.
• 42:34
  I will fear no evil, for thou art with me.
• 42:38
  That is why it doesn't matter if my country is rich or prosperous
• 42:44
  or not, God is going to take care of me.
• 42:46
  I'm I'm, I'm going to be kept safe and safe might not look the
• 42:53
  same in my book as as in his book.
• 42:57
  Look at the cast of characters in the book of Hebrews, men of
• 43:02
  of whom the world was not worthy and they had difficult lives and
• 43:05
  they died before they saw the promises.
• 43:07
  And so that's good enough for me.
• 43:09
  You know, I trust God, but I just we who are the true Saints
• 43:18
  and warriors and brides of Christ have to understand that
• 43:27
  this country is not going to be favored by God if we are out of
• 43:33
  covenant with him, if we're rewriting the law or if we don't
• 43:41
  clean up the dung. You know, it says in the Old
• 43:43
  Testament, I think it's in Deuteronomy, God literally said
• 43:46
  and and I don't think it was God.
• 43:47
  I think, I think in this context, it was the pre
• 43:50
  Incarnate Messiah. I think Jehovah was saying to
• 43:53
  them, if you don't build the treens out of the way and clean
• 44:00
  up the dung, if there's dung laying all over this camp, I'm
• 44:06
  not going to walk among you. It literally says and is
• 44:09
  specifically says, if you clean up the dung, I will walk among
• 44:14
  you and fight your enemies for you.
• 44:17
  Now look, look at what's happening with our culture.
• 44:22
  Look at how many of the culture wars the church is losing right
• 44:26
  now. We have to clean up the dung.
• 44:31
  That that's what it means when we make straight the way of the
• 44:34
  Lord. That when the there was a King's
• 44:36
  highway and when the king would come into your dirty little
• 44:39
  town, everyone would collectively get together and
• 44:41
  they would prepare the King's Hwy.
• 44:43
  They pull the weeds, they'd scrape up all the horse poop.
• 44:46
  They'd they'd get the hose out. They would make this worthy of a
• 44:50
  king. So if he stepped down with his
• 44:53
  sandaled feet, nothing's going to touch the King's foot.
• 44:57
  We have a solid, filthy, dirty, wretched King's Hwy. running
• 45:04
  from the East Coast to the West Coast of the United States of
• 45:08
  America. And if we don't prepare the
• 45:11
  King's Hwy., the King will not come.
• 45:19
  Which is so profound, you know, and, and everything's multi
• 45:22
  layered. So by cleaning up the dung, this
• 45:25
  is a calling as an individual personalized case because it's
• 45:31
  not a matter of what's going on in the White House that's going
• 45:34
  to determine what your next four years look like.
• 45:38
  I mean, it's going to have a say, but I'll tell you what the
• 45:41
  condition of your house. I mean, honestly, I would like
• 45:46
  to see it issued out that there be a real understanding of
• 45:51
  repentance put out there. Turning away.
• 45:54
  It's actionary. It's not some lofty thing where
• 45:57
  it's like, oh, I repented man, you know, I said forgive me.
• 45:59
  Lord invited him into my heart. But it's actionary.
• 46:03
  In the English military, when they repent, it means to turn.
• 46:06
  They do a 180 repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand.
• 46:10
  This is what Jesus himself as he's walking in the flesh is
• 46:14
  preaching, the gospel of the Kingdom being at hand.
• 46:18
  That's what precedes him. That is what the disciples are
• 46:20
  doing after the apostles are are sent out with this message.
• 46:26
  And so it does cost something on our end.
• 46:30
  There's a cost. And it's just like Shadrach,
• 46:34
  Meshach and Abednego said, you know, if God be pleased to save
• 46:38
  us from this fire that is brewing because he is capable.
• 46:43
  But if you choose not, let it be known, right?
• 46:46
  I'm not bowing down. I'm not going to roll around in
• 46:50
  the streets of dung. I'm sick of casting my swirl
• 46:52
  among the pine, the the swine, right?
• 46:55
  I'm sick of, you know, being timid by this culture.
• 46:59
  And not that I've been timid by the culture, but, but I will say
• 47:04
  this, I've been reserved for a very long time.
• 47:08
  I've been on the back burner for a long time.
• 47:11
  And I think that there's a generation of men out there that
• 47:15
  it seems to be when I speak and I share my thoughts, they're
• 47:18
  like, I'm rocking with you. I'm right there with you like
• 47:22
  you're you're speaking what I've been recycling through my mind.
• 47:26
  So repentance is so much more. And, and really with the time
• 47:31
  left, us strengthening what remains has to start with us
• 47:35
  taking our walk serious. Like, we can't just be out here
• 47:39
  acting like it's cool to expose the enemy and then the enemy
• 47:44
  comes after you and then you're crying to every single ministry.
• 47:48
  Help me, protect me. I'm dealing with five times
• 47:51
  worse sleep paralysis now. I'm dealing with, you know,
• 47:53
  demonic entities are tormenting my kids.
• 47:56
  I mean, I'm hearing reports of that.
• 47:58
  I'm hearing reports of people that you thought were
• 48:00
  untouchable seeking out a refuge.
• 48:05
  And so in the humility of it, what's the most genuine way to
• 48:08
  go about this? Vicki repent right.
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  We need to turn away from certain things.
• 48:13
  I did that episode spiritual Declaration of Independence for
• 48:17
  the state of PA it you know, this took six to eight months to
• 48:22
  develop in the gutter uncertainty, you know, job
• 48:28
  coming and going. I mean I'm I'm on the Cliff.
• 48:31
  It's it's like behind the scenes that the podcast world doesn't
• 48:33
  get it. But there's a group of men that
• 48:35
  that have locked arms with me and lifted my arms and they get
• 48:38
  weak who understand the cost. But we drove this thing from
• 48:41
  Philly to Pittsburgh. We prayed it for the first time
• 48:44
  in Ohio outside of the state, because God was showing us that
• 48:48
  even the men of God in in the word would go up to a high place
• 48:51
  away from there where they were prophesying or from where these
• 48:55
  things were taking place, right. And so the whole thing has been
• 48:59
  engraved and God literally like I'm hard headed.
• 49:01
  So I learned a lot of things the hard way and I'm repenting and
• 49:05
  crying out behind the scenes. Just like man, I've been
• 49:08
  stubborn. God, remove it, know what's in
• 49:11
  me, because you do know it, God, and I'm not going to hide it,
• 49:14
  but remove it from me and lead me into this way everlasting.
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  And so repentance is the willingness to identify and then
• 49:23
  turn away from it. It's actionary because there's a
• 49:28
  lot of dung, as you said, that is all over this American
• 49:34
  culture. Yeah, there is.
• 49:36
  And what's so beautiful about repentance?
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  I maybe it's my age Rod, but there gets a point where having
• 49:43
  to look some in the eye and say I am so sorry I screwed up,
• 49:46
  please forgive me. It's really not that hard to say
• 49:49
  I was wrong. I don't know why, but but
• 49:52
  anyway, when we humble ourselves in the sight of God, he lifts us
• 49:58
  up. He doesn't just say like he, he
• 50:01
  doesn't rubber nose in it like some, you know, dog that ruined
• 50:04
  the carpet, right? Or he doesn't say, well, OK, you
• 50:06
  know, you know, but now I'm going to give you the silent
• 50:07
  treatment for a week because you were mean to me, you know, like
• 50:10
  he immediately pulls us off the ground.
• 50:15
  He lifts us back up and he he restores us to our salvation.
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  There's never any stagnancy once we are willing to to repent.
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  And I just want to say something basically too right where you
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  were talking, Rod, about all these men getting together as we
• 50:38
  were talking about before the show.
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  I, I've been praying for years for just the, the Christian men
• 50:47
  in this country to join forces and, and, and come together.
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  I, you know, what I always think of the visual in my head Rod is
• 50:56
  that that scene from Braveheart where Marin, the, the bride,
• 51:04
  Braveheart, Wallace's bride, she gets captured and the camera
• 51:09
  angles are darting in the hills. And so it's like you're looking
• 51:13
  from her perspective. She's waiting for her knight in
• 51:16
  shining armor to show up on the horse with his Mace.
• 51:18
  You know, he, she, she's, she's just frantically looking for the
• 51:22
  hills because she knows Wallace is going to come and save her.
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  And the first time I saw that movie, I was so shocked when
• 51:31
  they slit her throat and she died.
• 51:33
  And I'm like, what? And that's kind of how I feel
• 51:40
  sometimes, Rod, as as a woman, as a Christian woman, as a
• 51:44
  single woman with an elderly father Culturally right now, I
• 51:50
  feel like I'm tied to that pole and I'm frantically looking at
• 51:56
  the hillside for the men on the horses to show up.
• 51:59
  Where are they? Where are they?
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  Where are they? And I know a lot of them are in
• 52:02
  their prayer closets and on their knees.
• 52:04
  And I know that they're out there.
• 52:07
  And I know that this has to be the Lord's timing and the Lord's
• 52:11
  way. And, and, and I know that it's
• 52:16
  not a matter of men being weak or not caring.
• 52:20
  I'm not going to buy into this lie that every guy is down in
• 52:22
  his basement playing video games all day long.
• 52:25
  I know that's not true. But I just want to encourage you
• 52:29
  and the guys that are are with you and the guys that are going
• 52:33
  to join you, because I do think this is going to get bigger and
• 52:35
  bigger. And I just want to encourage men
• 52:37
  out there. I, I told Rod before the show, I
• 52:40
  said, I, I don't care what the media is throwing at us, what
• 52:43
  the culture is trying to do. I absolutely believe that men
• 52:48
  want to be men and that women want men to be men.
• 52:56
  So mic drop, you know, Vicki, what I, what I responded with is
• 53:07
  there's been forerunners in this space who have been echoing this
• 53:12
  out and there's been women of faith who have stood and
• 53:20
  petitioned for men to literally be what they're called to be.
• 53:25
  And we were talking a little bit and you, you were kind of
• 53:28
  commenting and saying, well, Rod, what, what do you think the
• 53:30
  women are going to do when the men rise up?
• 53:35
  And immediately I get hit with this scripture that I shared
• 53:39
  with you, then I'm going to share with the audience.
• 53:41
  Now the Bible talks about for women to teach the the older
• 53:45
  women to teach the younger women in the way of righteousness, to
• 53:50
  honor and respect their husbands right to dress in a way that is
• 53:54
  not provocative. Don't don't lead somebody a
• 53:57
  snare because you're pulling up your skirt high like a lot of
• 54:00
  women do at church. Let let godliness be what you
• 54:05
  adorn yourself with and the law of kindness be on your tongue.
• 54:10
  Because listen, there's some men who are going to come over to
• 54:14
  the other side with camaraderie and they're they're going to
• 54:17
  feel it. But they have not been in a
• 54:20
  battle before. They're not battle ready.
• 54:26
  Yeah. And so it's going to be men and
• 54:31
  women, the only two genders that there are working in tandem
• 54:35
  together. There's no lowering of one
• 54:38
  status and and lifting of another status.
• 54:40
  I think that men are rising up to the place where they have
• 54:44
  been ordained to be by God. And there's women there that are
• 54:47
  going to blush and that are going to worship God and say for
• 54:51
  men have risen in my generation. I have lived to see the
• 54:56
  hoodwinked generation rise back and depend on the strong tower
• 55:01
  we're running unto it or making a choice ourselves to say I'm
• 55:08
  here for such a time as this. This is why the Bible says wash
• 55:11
  your mind, make renew your mind in the word of God, because the
• 55:17
  scary truth is, is like Dan says, the false reality overlay.
• 55:22
  It's it's you being trained since the time you were born to
• 55:25
  serve the God of your belly. But now the God of all creation
• 55:28
  may strip away the things that please your belly and make it a
• 55:32
  little bit rough. It may get a little bit
• 55:34
  challenging. You might find yourself
• 55:36
  wondering, how am I going to afford the grocery?
• 55:38
  Some of us are already there. I've already been.
• 55:41
  How am I going to pay the rent? God was faithful.
• 55:43
  He showed up the last minute, but I'm telling you, he has
• 55:45
  trained me over the years from a big, cool, great job, everything
• 55:50
  going great in my life. Yeah, I worked at this company
• 55:53
  for 10 years. We had a dream car, my dream
• 55:55
  girl. We almost bought our dream house
• 55:58
  and God flipped the script on me and literally has had me in the
• 56:01
  mud for a couple years and I'm like, did I do something wrong
• 56:05
  this whole time I'm like wrestling with and I'm like
• 56:08
  trying to figure it out. And then he's been showing me
• 56:10
  he's like, man, I. I have allowed you to go through
• 56:13
  things so that your voice will resonate with what I'm speaking
• 56:16
  from heaven. To be confidence and
• 56:18
  encouragement for men who are used to being very comfortable.
• 56:23
  Yeah, yeah. This is real.
• 56:25
  So women, we need you to pray and intercede and be a godly
• 56:29
  example. The real widows are the if you
• 56:32
  lost your husband and you're, you're a female, you have closed
• 56:35
  your legs and lived holy before the Lord.
• 56:37
  That's a real widow. I know there's some women out
• 56:40
  there that want to say that they're widows, but they got
• 56:42
  provocative pitches on their Facebook and they're chasing
• 56:44
  another man. And it's like, man, we need to,
• 56:46
  to, to honor what God is saying, his standard on the
• 56:50
  qualifications of what a, a woman of God looks like or a
• 56:54
  widow who needs to be taken care of by men.
• 56:57
  Or you know, that the fatherless, like we need to also
• 57:00
  have the foundation to go. If I'm going to lay it on the
• 57:04
  line, if I'm going to step into this place with even more of a
• 57:07
  public target on my back for what God is calling me to do,
• 57:13
  It's going to be for for a righteous flock that is willing
• 57:16
  to turn away to repent, make some changes and be be holy as
• 57:22
  he is holy. That's probably one of the most
• 57:24
  terrifying verses. Be holy as I am holy.
• 57:26
  Amen. Yeah.
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  Wow. Well, and for listeners out
• 57:30
  there, if there's ladies out there that are bristling at some
• 57:33
  of the things that Rod just said, if it feels better to hear
• 57:37
  it from a female voice, let me put this in perspective when we
• 57:40
  talk about submitting to authority, because that that
• 57:44
  concept has been utterly destroyed by the enemy.
• 57:47
  Think of it in terms of this. All the men and women go out to
• 57:50
  war. We're all getting on our camo
• 57:53
  and we're getting our weapons. We all go out to war and the
• 57:56
  commander hands a shield to every man and he hands 2 Shields
• 58:03
  to every woman. We have a double layer of
• 58:06
  protection on the battlefield. That's what it looks like.
• 58:09
  We have men running in front of us in battle to take the
• 58:12
  bullets. And we've got an extra shield.
• 58:14
  We've got an extra covering. That's what it looks like when
• 58:18
  men are doing it faithfully. Yeah, there's there's guys out
• 58:22
  there that are abusing it and making it look like it shouldn't
• 58:27
  look. And Rod, I'll be honest, I have
• 58:30
  the advantage. I've never been abused in any
• 58:34
  way in my life by a man. I've never had an abusive
• 58:38
  husband or boyfriend. I had godly men in my life, my
• 58:44
  my dad, my grandpas. I've never been hurt.
• 58:48
  So I don't understand the the trauma that women who have gone
• 58:55
  through that have suffered. And I don't know how that must
• 58:58
  translate when they hear things in the Bible about trusting a
• 59:02
  man. And so I'm empathetic to the
• 59:05
  distortions and the smeared lenses by which the enemy wants
• 59:12
  us to look at these passages through.
• 59:15
  But just understand that if men step up into their godly
• 59:19
  authority and they do this biblically, it means that we
• 59:25
  have extra layers of protection in the spiritual battle.
• 59:36
  That's so well said. And just to reiterate, I'm, I'm
• 59:41
  not asking any women or even greenhorns, young men who are
• 59:46
  looking for direction that we're not sending you to one ministry
• 59:50
  to follow. We're not saying mimic every
• 59:52
  single move this person makes. You need to take orders from
• 59:55
  this guy. That's not how this works.
• 59:56
  What this looks like is the king is on the throne.
• 59:59
  There's a standard, there's dung in the street and we need to
• 1:00:02
  literally be of one mind, the mind of Christ.
• 1:00:05
  So if just like there's a 5 fold ministry that God shows us is
• 1:00:09
  his arsenal, right? We literally have voice boxes
• 1:00:11
  that God uses. We have people that are
• 1:00:13
  intimately involved in how your health and your well-being is
• 1:00:17
  doing. We have shepherds that are
• 1:00:19
  willing to fight off the wolves. Your double layer of protection
• 1:00:22
  falls under that role, as well as prophetic voices and
• 1:00:25
  Apostolic voices, Apostles who are sent out.
• 1:00:28
  They're like Dan Duvall. He's the tip of a spear.
• 1:00:31
  He's doing something where it's funny now I see some people are
• 1:00:34
  starting to catch up with the revelation he had 8-9, ten years
• 1:00:38
  ago. And I'm not saying that to build
• 1:00:40
  him like to be like, oh, damn. I'm just saying when when you
• 1:00:43
  get a double layer of protection, it's not one man
• 1:00:46
  running the show. It's it's not, you know, this
• 1:00:50
  ministry all of a sudden you have to go.
• 1:00:52
  No, it's all of us coming together with a likeness of mind
• 1:00:56
  saying here I am, Lord, send me. You're the strong tower I'm
• 1:01:03
  running to in this day, this season for help.
• 1:01:08
  I have not cast it away, my confidence.
• 1:01:10
  And you said it has great recompense of reward.
• 1:01:14
  So protect me, father. And when that happens, when you
• 1:01:19
  the heart postures, right, we're literally going to see a shield,
• 1:01:24
  a bubble realm effect over people who have an anointing.
• 1:01:28
  And that's going to benefit men and women and children and
• 1:01:32
  elderly. I mean, this is this is the the
• 1:01:37
  grand opportunity for us to really be about the life that
• 1:01:41
  that we've desired. It's it's an opportunity for us
• 1:01:45
  to do what we've noted is absent among Western Christianity.
• 1:01:51
  It is literally that that God is saying, I will be with you.
• 1:01:57
  I'm going out before you and this is a generation.
• 1:02:03
  This is not one church or a building or just just Rod and
• 1:02:08
  his friends. No, this is sweeping across the
• 1:02:12
  land. It's like a wave that is coming
• 1:02:15
  and we can ride that wave or it can, it can crash us in the
• 1:02:18
  middle of our activities. But I would just highly
• 1:02:21
  recommend that you guys get right before the Lord by casting
• 1:02:26
  everything down, every high and lofty thought problem, whatever
• 1:02:30
  you're going through, cast it down and cry out to him and then
• 1:02:33
  say, I want to lock arms with my brothers and I want to do what's
• 1:02:38
  right. I want to be on the right side
• 1:02:40
  of history. You know, Vicki, as we wind down
• 1:02:42
  on this one and and this is a unique one because normally we
• 1:02:45
  have just a single topic we ride out and get deep into like a a
• 1:02:50
  thread of scriptures and exposed stuff.
• 1:02:51
  But this is a timely message. This is the whole thing is by
• 1:02:55
  the moving of the Spirit. So, you know, what is the final
• 1:03:02
  thing that that's on your heart to speak to every generation
• 1:03:07
  about the battle plan, the reality of this?
• 1:03:09
  There's a cost to this. Not everybody's going to make it
• 1:03:12
  to like, we have to be realists here.
• 1:03:14
  But you know, what would you say to people who are are are
• 1:03:17
  nodding their head in real life and in the spirit going, yeah,
• 1:03:20
  it's about time. Yeah, I can't sit this one out.
• 1:03:22
  What? What are you going to say to
• 1:03:23
  that? You sort of beat me to the punch
• 1:03:27
  because whenever at people ask me like what's step one, I
• 1:03:30
  always say repentance because and, and I'm glad that you
• 1:03:34
  clarified what that meant because we have sort of this, I
• 1:03:38
  call it the Britney Spears theology towards repentance
• 1:03:42
  these days. Oops, I did it again, you know,
• 1:03:45
  like this cavalier sort of attitude.
• 1:03:47
  And when we make war with our flesh to the point where the the
• 1:03:58
  graphic metaphors and scripture are, I'd rather chop a body part
• 1:04:02
  off and and have it missing if it's going to be causing me to
• 1:04:07
  sin. Like we're making war with the
• 1:04:08
  flesh. So repentance isn't just like,
• 1:04:11
  forgive me, you know it. It is a a dying to self daily.
• 1:04:18
  And so maybe that is where I'll go with with the repentance,
• 1:04:21
  what that should lead to every single day.
• 1:04:25
  Rod because everybody wants to be the David.
• 1:04:27
  Everybody wants to go and grab the five stones and slay the
• 1:04:30
  giant. You know, we all have that
• 1:04:32
  fantasy that before we die, we can have some sort of, you know,
• 1:04:36
  medal of valor waiting for us up in heaven.
• 1:04:38
  You know, we all want that heroic thing.
• 1:04:40
  I'm I you know, I'm always in my mind like AO and you know, with
• 1:04:43
  the with the on the battlefield with her sword.
• 1:04:45
  And you know what I mean? And we all have have that idea.
• 1:04:48
  Like my mom told me once. Victoria, everybody wants a
• 1:04:54
  martyr's crown, but are you going to shut your alarm off
• 1:04:58
  today and just serve him in the monotony?
• 1:05:02
  And 80 years of faithful monotony is just as heroic as
• 1:05:08
  dying on a mission field. And So what I would suggest is
• 1:05:14
  seize an opportunity every single day to make war with your
• 1:05:21
  flesh. And So what I always tell people
• 1:05:24
  is, for example, you wake up and you're like, I got to have that
• 1:05:29
  cup of coffee. Say no to your flesh.
• 1:05:35
  And I don't mean an hour later, go and have the coffee.
• 1:05:38
  I mean say no to your flesh every day.
• 1:05:44
  A simple thing, simple thing because guess what?
• 1:05:47
  We all talk about this proverbial soldier that's going
• 1:05:50
  to show up at our door in the end times and put a gun to our
• 1:05:53
  head and say deny Jesus Christ or die.
• 1:05:56
  And we all think that just because we prayed a prayer, we
• 1:05:59
  went to church, that somehow we're going to muster the
• 1:06:01
  courage in that moment to take a bullet for Jesus name.
• 1:06:05
  That our instinct for survival is not going to take over at
• 1:06:08
  that moment. The reason we are going to say I
• 1:06:14
  refuse to deny Jesus Christ with cold steel pushed to our temple
• 1:06:19
  is because we practiced saying no every day.
• 1:06:25
  We practiced courage. We practiced fighting the flesh,
• 1:06:32
  fighting fear. And if every single day you
• 1:06:36
  seize one opportunity to tell the flesh, no, no, we are going
• 1:06:41
  to the gym whether you like it or not.
• 1:06:44
  No, I'm not going to sit and watch Netflix tonight.
• 1:06:46
  I'm going to read my Bible. No, I'm I'm not going to drink
• 1:06:49
  my 3rd Mountain Dew. Just stupid little things.
• 1:06:53
  If we practice ruling our flesh every day when those heroic
• 1:07:02
  moments or opportunities do arise and the gun is to the
• 1:07:06
  temple. We are going to be able to stand
• 1:07:11
  with the the cast of characters from Hebrews of whom that the
• 1:07:15
  world was not worthy where we were able to courageously lay
• 1:07:19
  down our lives for the name of Jesus Christ, which is that
• 1:07:23
  strong tower. So pick something or just wait
• 1:07:29
  and see what your flesh starts begging you for tomorrow and and
• 1:07:34
  make war with the flesh. Because if you can gain mastery
• 1:07:41
  over your flesh, what you're doing is you're gaining mastery
• 1:07:45
  over fear. Because we all feel like we're
• 1:07:47
  not going to be happy or something.
• 1:07:48
  We got to have what we want. We're constantly feeding the
• 1:07:51
  flesh. Or IF fasting is another way to
• 1:07:55
  gain mastery over the flesh and to gain mastery over fear and
• 1:07:58
  dependence on God. And when we start practicing
• 1:08:01
  these things, when the crap really hits the fan, we are
• 1:08:06
  going to fearlessly stand for the name of Jesus.
• 1:08:14
  The discipline of the Lord. Wow.
• 1:08:19
  Hebrews 12/11. For the moment, all discipline
• 1:08:23
  seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields
• 1:08:28
  the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have
• 1:08:31
  been trained by it. Trained.
• 1:08:35
  I think it was Doctor Mike Davis who was taught me about Gunanzo
• 1:08:42
  is the Greek word for intense inter intervals of training.
• 1:08:48
  So when we're to be trained up in righteousness and Vicki, what
• 1:08:51
  you're saying is exactly that, denying the flesh, practicing
• 1:08:55
  discernment, practicing righteousness, practicing
• 1:08:57
  discipline, you know, put it to having the heart posture where
• 1:09:00
  it's like, man, I'm not just going to sit here watch Netflix
• 1:09:02
  and listen to this podcast and go, oh, that was cool.
• 1:09:05
  I felt it in the spirit for a minute, but we need all hands on
• 1:09:09
  deck and we need strong people who are strong in the Lord and.
• 1:09:15
  And yeah, I get it, the outward man perish, but the inward man
• 1:09:19
  has made new. So we're wrestling through it
• 1:09:21
  together. You're not alone, Vicki.
• 1:09:24
  I just want to honor you and thank you for a Part 3.
• 1:09:28
  I feel like this is like an old, we're just old friends having
• 1:09:32
  the conversation of what the next steps of the journey look
• 1:09:36
  like. Like we're we're getting
• 1:09:37
  together and highlighting the battle strategy.
• 1:09:40
  Like, yeah, tomorrow we're waking up at 5 and this is what
• 1:09:43
  we're carrying out. So it's so real to me.
• 1:09:45
  It's timely and it it's it's flavorful.
• 1:09:48
  So I just want to honor you and thank you for joining me again.
• 1:09:52
  Well, thank you so much for having me.
• 1:09:54
  It's been a while. It's been great.
• 1:09:57
  And I always love our chats. I always walk away from them
• 1:10:01
  just feeling encouraged in my faith and my affections for
• 1:10:06
  Christ stirred. Praise God.
• 1:10:10
  Well, that's it. That's the show you guys.
• 1:10:12
  I'm going to ask you to share this one far and wide.
• 1:10:14
  Share it with your friends, family members, coworkers.
• 1:10:17
  Share it with your doctor, your pastor, because it's just how
• 1:10:21
  you help us and it's the right thing to do.
• 1:10:25
  Coming to you from Southeastern Pennsylvania.
• 1:10:27
  God bless and goodbye.