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#238 - Candace Owens vs Turning Point USA: What’s the Endgame? · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  Good morning, everyone. My name is Brandon Fogel. This is Evolution,
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  the only legitimate evolution there is.
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  The saga continues with Candace Owens and her getting to the bottom of what
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  happened on that day, September 10th, 2025, when Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
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  It started there, but where she has went with this whole investigation,
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  it's touched on so many different levels, accused or implicitly accused so many different people.
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  And you could say that she's getting to the bottom of it.
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  But when we actually sit back and analyze where she's landed is on Turning Point USA and Erica Kirk.
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  That's where she is kind of just plopped down and she is, she's not moving from that, that point.
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  And if you would have told Charlie Kirk that this was going to be his legacy,
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  and this is what, what he built and poured his blood, sweat and tears in for all his life, his life.
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  He founded a turning point, got married to Erica, had children with her.
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  And that he was going to die by this horrific death.
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  And then Candace Owens was going to just berate his widow and just terrorize
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  her family and the company that he just did everything he could to build and
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  make a make something that could actually be good for this world.
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  It's it's been sad to watch it's been tough to
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  watch and I try to come to it even keeled
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  and with a open mind every episode
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  like whenever I sit and listen to Candace Owens
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  whenever I'm listening to it in the background or however I try
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  to have an open mind but where she has taken this seems
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  like it's too far and it's and it's
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  like there's never any there there but there has been some
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  things that I think she's bringing to light she's focusing on
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  Turning Point USA and lately it's the firings
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  the letting go of employees at turning
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  point usa and saying that erica she almost
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  portrayed mixed maybe just misled people at the beginning that she had the best
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  intentions for her employees and where we're going with this and she was just
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  misleading everyone let's actually take a look at this this is this is the phone
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  call that was leaked by employees at turning point USA.
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  And before we get into it, there is so much that people can,
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  obviously with any organization, there's going to be sins and failures.
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  There's, it's not going to be perfect. So I don't want to just say like,
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  I'm defending turn, turn in point USA. Cause.
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  Any organization, especially a Christian organization that portrays itself as
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  a Christian organization, is not always going to be the best example. They're not.
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  But this is the leaked phone call that she gets into the Erica basically five
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  days after Charlie was assassinated.
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  Erica is going to address the company for the first time. That's not a small
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  task, by the way. She is, as you will see, at the office.
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  She doesn't have full hair and makeup on, which, of course, I think I welcome
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  that as a good thing. I don't expect her to be at the office,
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  but I'm happy that she's not in full hair and makeup because this is five and
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  a half days after her husband was pronounced dead.
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  This is before we've had his funeral, anything.
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  And I'm going to let you decide. And I'm going to tell you that
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  the employees that chose to record this and the employees that are still there
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  and upset with the manner in which people were fired are saying that they feel
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  like it was like a cult. Like they knew something was off.
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  They felt like they were being manipulated, that they were only given Erica
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  as this symbol of you guys need to work harder. Right.
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  It was certainly the fog of war when all that was going down.
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  And to say that it felt like a cult, that it was a cult.
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  Yeah, probably. I mean, it probably could because these are disgruntled employees
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  that are no longer there.
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  They're not going to be happy. You know, within any organization,
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  everybody knows this, wherever you work, people aren't always going to be the
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  happiest people there because you know that the people that are employing you
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  can get rid of you in a second.
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  They don't, there is no loyalty with anyone.
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  Everybody understands that. And I've found, like myself, just a little...
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  A side note for me, I've worked at places where like, I thought it was a Christian
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  organization and that was almost the toughest.
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  I had a really terrible moment in my life where I was at an organization which
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  portrayed itself almost like kind of Christian, you know, it has in the mission
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  statement, God and everything.
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  And you're among Christians and then being let go from there.
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  And I really struggled with that. Honestly, I really struggled with that because
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  I was like, these are brothers and sisters in Christ or, and actually,
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  I'm just saying, I don't remember any, there was probably women there,
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  there was, I'm sure there was, but I just remember the brothers in Christ.
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  And it's like being let go from there. It was tough because it's,
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  you think that there's something underneath the surface that people are going
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  to keep you there if you're not, not a good fit. And I probably wasn't a good fit.
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  It was early on becoming like, and, and doing things and, and trying to build
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  my career and, and grow and everything.
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  And I was let go of those businesses have to make decisions and there is no
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  loyalty, there is no love, and it is a very, very just dry...
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  Staunchy place. And just to think that you're, that you're going to find your best friends there.
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  You're going to find your, the people that you're going to spend the rest of
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  your life with, you're there on business and you have to separate personal and business.
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  And, and that for me was, I had to go through years of just like,
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  honestly, forgiveness in my heart.
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  Like I, I felt like that because it was something that kept reminding me,
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  like, how, how could like Christians be like that? be so cold.
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  Like the coldest blooded people, it felt like they were just like, we're done with you.
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  Trying to almost tell me not to go in a certain way in my life to say,
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  oh, like have some loyalty here, but don't go down this road,
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  like as in further an education or whatever.
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  And I was like, and, and just trying to like, even throw that out from under
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  me, but then drop me the next day. And it was a struggle is definitely a struggle.
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  So I understand why these employees, these people there, they're not too happy
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  about it to be just let go on a whim probably because of things that Candace Owens has stirred up.
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  She has put turning point in the crosshairs.
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  It just reminds, it just always reminds me of like, why would Charlie,
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  how could he be looking down from heaven and being pleased with what Candace Owens is doing?
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  How could, it boggles the mind. And I don't know if she even is even on that
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  or if she ever was on that. She made it seem like she's a friend of Charlie, but.
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  But how could you, you can't really have both in the same time.
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  How could you be a friend of Charlie, but then you're trying to destroy his
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  wife, everything, her reputation and her credibility.
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  It's become a funny thing now of just making fun of Erica Kirk and just the
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  whole turning point thing. The organization is separate to me.
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  Like they're going to, organizations are cold. They're companies, they're business.
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  They're doing what's in their best interest. And they can throw off this cultish vibe.
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  They can because if you start like saying how much
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  do you really love being here we we we need you
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  here we're we're behind you we're always going to
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  be there they will drop you in a in a matter of moments if it doesn't fit with
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  their bottom line what they care about any organization no one is absolved from
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  this all christian organizations all businesses they care about their bottom
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  line that's all it matters all right this is where she's going to get into this is just almost to me,
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  it's very comical because she brings up the matrix that we're in.
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  And it's a real thing. It's a real thing.
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  I would say that we exist in a time right now where we recognize that we live in a matrix.
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  Like we actually live in a matrix and that matrix is fully glitching.
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  We don't know where this is going to end. It's sort of like we know they're lying.
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  They're caught lying. They know that they've lost power, but they're still going
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  to create this illusion that they haven't.
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  They're going to keep writing articles. They're going to keep smearing people
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  that are telling the truth, even though it's ineffectual.
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  We actually don't care anymore what they're writing, but they're going to keep
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  doing it. They're going to tell us who we have to like.
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  They're going to keep pretending that these people are popular and these people are awful.
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  When does it stop? Everything feels fake and gay and fictitious.
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  And we're learning that people who pretended that they cared about free speech
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  are the number one people that are trying to squash it. They're trying to squash it now.
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  And this they, where this always lands and where underneath the surface, what people.
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  Never actually want to get out and say it, but they always just want to implicitly
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  characterize and just sarcastically just dismiss and just throw out there.
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  It's always the Jews. It's always the Jews. It's always Israel. Whatever you think.
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  And because that's, I heard like Andrew Tate the other week,
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  he said, Candace is being propped up there.
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  They're allowing this black woman to just continue to rant and just say all
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  these things because no one's taking her seriously.
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  She is certainly being taken seriously by a lot of people
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  because she's influenced the zeitgeist the
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  the the ethos that we're in she the whole this way this experience that we're
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  all finding on the internet this sarcastic cynical vibe that just thinks that
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  there's some there's something behind everything and it always is the jews and
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  what to entertain he said i know who killed charlie Kirk.
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  He said, I know who killed Charlie Kirk, but I can't say.
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  And he keeps saying, there's so many things, I can only go so far.
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  And I can't really say it because if I reveal everything, then they're going to kill me.
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  And they're going to take me out. I can only say so much. We all know what he's saying.
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  It's always the Jews. It's always the rich billionaires who are of Israel.
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  That's where it always goes. And there's people that just don't want to say it.
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  Like him, he makes it seem like there's something bigger going on,
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  which to me, there really is something probably going on there.
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  But we all know what you're talking about.
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  And Candace, we all know what you're talking about. It's always Israel. It's always the Jews.
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  And this anti-Semitic spirit that has been unleashed upon our population and upon the Western world.
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  It's, it's, it's rising up. It's getting bigger and bigger and it's becoming just mainstream.
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  It's no longer just nuanced of our articulating the position that Jewish people
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  have a lot, a lot of power.
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  They have a lot of power, but you could say that about anyone,
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  any nationality, any ethnicity.
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  There's people in different positions that are rich, you know,
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  but we always assume that the Jews are the evil ones, that the Jews are the
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  ones that are terrible. And they're the ones that are calling,
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  pulling these strings, calling these hit jobs.
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  And, but you can't say it. We know where this is all going. It's,
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  it's, it's her, her point is Israel's behind it.
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  The Jews are behind it. And Erica, Erica Kirk and Turning Point USA covered it up.
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  They were entangled in it. This is the, the, the explicit, explicit nature of
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  what she's saying. but she implicitly says it every episode and hints at it.
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  And she can't say too much.
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  It's always just, I don't know about that.
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  We know what you're saying. It's the Jews. It's always the Jews. It's always Israel.
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  It's that's that's what it always comes down to. And people just they they just
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  just just live in this play world like we don't know what you're talking about.
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  We know what you're talking about. We know what you're saying.
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  And it is it is it does get very dark because this is a horrific thing that
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  we saw Charlie Kirk being assassinated. That was horrific.
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  And she keeps like saying like how Erica Kirk, her just being happy and not
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  grieving the way somebody would grieve.
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  Really? I mean, if there is something there that she, somehow Erica Kirk was
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  behind it and involved in it, I mean, that would be something.
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  But if she's not, and you're just tearing this widow apart to pieces by the,
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  a person that you said was one of your best friends, that you were friends and
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  you care nothing about him.
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  Because when this all started off, it all, we quickly forget,
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  She said, the only person that could get me to stop would be Erica or my husband.
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  Erica eventually, after months, said stop. And now it's become a meme,
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  something just funny, making fun of Erica.
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  And she's jumping up. She's, you know, pyrotechnics, you know,
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  she's just having the time of her life.
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  I mean, that would be next level.
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  She was a double agent of Israel.
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  Are we going to say that's what you're being explicit, Candace.
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  Don't just keep hinting at things.
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  Be explicit. What do you actually think happened? Because now it's just,
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  it's purely smear campaign on Erica and purely smear campaign on Turning Point
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  USA. That's all it is now.
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  There's nothing else more, and we're not finding anything else, nothing new.
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  It has nothing to do about Charlie's assassination, what actually happened anymore.
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  It's purely just want to destroy Erica Kirk for some reason and want to destroy
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  Turning Point, which Charlie built.
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  That was his whole life legacy, and that's what it is. And it's continuing to roll.
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  It's continuing to go. But I think she's just lost where she doesn't care anymore.
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  And she knows that if she does, she's going to be sued and all this,
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  and they're going to continue to just rack up charges.
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  How much damage have you caused to our organization?
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  She knows where she's at. The lawsuits are going to be coming.
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  But I love how she brings these things to light.
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  But where she's just assuming that her people
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  are going to just take care of her and fund her and whatever
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  legal bill she's going to have people that her audience is just going to pay
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  for them all that's what it feels like let me know if you think i'm off let
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  me know if you think i'm if right on the money because i am but let me know
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  what you think drop a comment uh subscribe to this channel uh follow me on x
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