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Episode 293: The Seed (SG-A 5.02) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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Speaker 1: Get into Gate episode two hundred and ninety three, talking
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Speaker 1: Stargate Atlantis once again.
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Speaker 2: After last week's little venture back home.
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Speaker 3: A little just a little special, just little you know
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Speaker 3: what was very special?
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Speaker 1: I mean, why continuum to the Prodigal? He's yeah, and
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Speaker 1: that's that's that's a stupid thing. Is ah is the
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Speaker 1: fanciest word I know for something I was looking to describe.
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Speaker 3: I do believe there is actually an episode later. There's
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Speaker 3: an episode, episode fourteen of this season. It's called the Prodigal.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, that's that's the lining up for that
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Speaker 2: one as well.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you to thank you told I told you
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Speaker 3: at the end of search risk if we kept talking
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Speaker 3: about him and hatred for week, he would just appear.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, any need he didn't bring? Did he
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Speaker 2: bring any we hate last week? I don't remember any
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Speaker 2: of the we hate? I probably it probably would have been.
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Speaker 2: There would have been something.
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Speaker 3: I've been to therapy since then, so I probably.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: The well, the episode we're talking about today is that
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Speaker 1: is one that.
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Speaker 2: You have prophesied for some time. Heart, I don't know
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Speaker 2: what if you're getting steak through it?
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Speaker 1: Maybe the seed episode two of season five of s
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Speaker 1: g A when a mysterious alien orgasm I mean, sorry
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Speaker 1: organism takes doctor Keller as its host.
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Speaker 2: Well, maybe I should have just pushed on Beckett.
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Speaker 1: Becket Beckett and the crew desperately searched for a serum
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Speaker 1: to save her from the evolving intruder before it can
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Speaker 1: infiltrate Atlantis.
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Speaker 3: Star Trek Star Trek Star Trek.
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Speaker 2: Have that met Mitch Mitch mitche Mitchmitch Mitch bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you definitely sold it up well to me,
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Speaker 1: and I guess very early on I was like, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Okay, fine, like it.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't entirely offensive to me, because, yeah, we occasionally
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Speaker 1: just see these ones, you know, the base under attack
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Speaker 1: and someone's you know, like what season one when one
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Speaker 1: all was stuck to the wall and we've seen a
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Speaker 1: bunch of stuff along the way like that, and just
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Speaker 1: problems someone's at threat, blah blah blah. It's a little,
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Speaker 1: you know, kind of a little bottle episode. There's obviously
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Speaker 1: some matias the greater things elsewhere, but yeah, like I can,
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to make it a mission. I said it
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Speaker 1: the other week. I don't know if we ended up
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Speaker 1: making the cut or not. I can't remember, but I
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Speaker 1: said when Craig was in for our ranking for season four,
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Speaker 1: I said, every bloody season. And then we've done ten
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Speaker 1: seasons of SG one. We've now done four seasons of SGA,
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Speaker 1: which just saying that out loud now seems mental. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: done fourteen seasons of TV. That my plan for the
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Speaker 1: next season, as I'm don't do better, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: do better. I'm going to start, like once I hit
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Speaker 1: episode two, I'm going to start ranking them so that
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Speaker 1: I don't get to our final day and get down
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Speaker 1: episode three. And even your very very good descriptions do
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Speaker 1: not help me very much because I've got so little memory,
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Speaker 1: even though it's only been a couple of months. But
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Speaker 1: it is a very easy placement that this will fall
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Speaker 1: under last week and it may stay down the bottom
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Speaker 1: for quite some time. I don't I don't know, Like it's.
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Speaker 3: It's the issue that I have with it is that
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Speaker 3: they they thought that an entire hive ship is going
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Speaker 3: to grow out of Keller and in like what well.
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Speaker 1: That line right when when Wolsey's like, are you telling
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Speaker 1: me in the way that only Percardo can Riccado.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Robervoccado and say, Riccardo, that's Riccardo Montalbat who was
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Speaker 3: Khn in the original Star Trek Wrath of Khan? That
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Speaker 3: was was it? Or Am I just trying to get
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Speaker 3: out of here? Ah?
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Speaker 2: I see you're playing four D Yes, my friend, indeed,
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Speaker 2: very very good. Yeah. When when Ricardo Pocado says, are
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Speaker 2: you telling me that there is a wreath have ship
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Speaker 2: growing inside?
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Speaker 1: And I was like, holy shit, they did just kind
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Speaker 1: of say that's fucking crazy.
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Speaker 2: Even if it's just going to sort of grow.
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Speaker 1: And consume Atlantis and make Atlantis a ship rather than
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Speaker 1: sort of formulate the same structure of every other Wraith
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Speaker 1: ship that we've seen, it's still pretty mental.
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Speaker 3: And I think maybe I'm too dumb for the premise,
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Speaker 3: But for me, it's all about conversion of mass, you
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Speaker 3: know what I mean. It's it's like the Keller Hive.
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Speaker 3: It wasn't consuming mass, it was consuming energy. It talked
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Speaker 3: about how it was tapping into light and energy and
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Speaker 3: all those kind of bits and pieces. But I'm just like,
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Speaker 3: but like we as human beings, we can't convert energy
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Speaker 3: into mass, can we? Like we consume sugar, right, yea,
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Speaker 3: and we expand that as energy. But if we don't
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Speaker 3: expand that energy by physical movement and stuff like that,
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Speaker 3: the sugar is converted into fat and our body stores
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Speaker 3: those fat cells. But we still consumed sugar, were still
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Speaker 3: consumed you know something physical. We've consumed actual atoms of
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Speaker 3: you know something. But it's like we can't go and
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Speaker 3: lie out in the sun and convert that into physical mass.
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Speaker 3: And technically I don't know that plants and this is
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Speaker 3: where I might be too dumb for it. Technically I
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Speaker 3: don't know that plants do that either. Yes, they use photosynthesis,
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Speaker 3: but they're consuming water and nutrients from the ground to
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Speaker 3: actually get bigger and.
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Speaker 2: Grow and all that.
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Speaker 1: The sunlight part of that like almost like a filter.
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Speaker 1: It's like it's like given the nutrients a boost.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I feel like that the sunlight as far as gives
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Speaker 3: plants the energy to convert those nutrients into.
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Speaker 1: You're not putting a plant out like an unrooted plant,
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Speaker 1: just sitting out there and watering it going well, the
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Speaker 1: sun correct right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So and again maybe I'm just too dumb, and maybe
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Speaker 3: there was just some kind of science there that they explained,
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Speaker 3: but I just I just couldn't buy this one. And
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Speaker 3: I've watched a lot of science fiction and I've bought
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Speaker 3: a lot of bullshit, but this one I was like.
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Speaker 1: See, I think when it gets to ones like this,
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Speaker 1: I just go okay, like fine, and you know, to
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Speaker 1: the point then it gets maybe more ridiculous on.
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Speaker 2: Your sort of filter scale. But when.
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Speaker 1: The growing ship has a consciousness and starts speaking to them,
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, that's scary, Like that's frightening. Like
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Speaker 1: this thing is just a couple of plants, like it's
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Speaker 1: a root system, but it's now overtaken her brain to
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Speaker 1: the point where it can communicate in their language, identifies
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Speaker 1: itself as being not Keller anymore, and hey, were you
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Speaker 1: just got to let me be. I was only ever
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Speaker 1: designed to be one thing, and I'm going to be
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Speaker 1: that thing, and you guys.
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Speaker 2: Just got to get the fuck out of the ways.
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Speaker 1: But also wasn't smart enough to fully identify. You know,
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Speaker 1: Ronan with a little bit of it in him was
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Speaker 1: not a threat because.
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Speaker 3: It was this walking human on until he started until
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Speaker 3: he start actually yeah.
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Speaker 2: Being threatening sort of thing.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know, it was yeah, I just
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Speaker 1: kind of it was just like, yeah, fine, like it's
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Speaker 1: it's science mumbo jumbo or complete science fiction stuff that
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Speaker 1: I can just accept because I'm also watching it as
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Speaker 1: another search and rescue in a way, it's it's a
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Speaker 1: save Keller episode rather.
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Speaker 2: Than a well, how hang on, how does an organic
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Speaker 2: ship work?
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Speaker 3: Because I mean, because it's like, well, you know, in
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Speaker 3: every hive that we've seen and destroyed so far, is
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Speaker 3: there a person in the middle of it? Or does
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Speaker 3: it have some kind of consciousness in the way we
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Speaker 3: were talking with.
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Speaker 1: Well start, don't it just sort of chuck it out
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Speaker 1: in the middle of like yeah, you know, a sort
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Speaker 1: of concrete flooring system and it just grows.
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Speaker 2: It's clearly growing, or maybe it does.
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Speaker 1: Maybe they just you know, put a you know, attached
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Speaker 1: some power chords to the ground and it feeds off
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Speaker 1: that energy or yeah.
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Speaker 3: Because then also it's like it also pulls into into
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Speaker 3: question every like Keller was aware of everywhere her tendrils were,
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Speaker 3: she was aware, she could she knew that, like she said,
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Speaker 3: she could feel her tendrils around Ronan's neck. You know,
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Speaker 3: So at some point does the quote unquote seed does
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Speaker 3: it lose that ability, because otherwise every time we've snuck
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Speaker 3: on board a hive. Would the hive not be aware
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Speaker 3: of us sneaking around and be able to advise the
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Speaker 3: queen or the wraith in charge or something like exactly?
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Speaker 1: I think I, without obviously knowing anything about this episode,
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Speaker 1: I found myself wondering, I guess in that realm And
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Speaker 1: I remember mentioning it on the Search and Rescue podcast
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Speaker 1: two episodes ago when they were around like rescuing Taylor,
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Speaker 1: they were shooting some of Michael's little minions and only
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Speaker 1: after that, even not because of that, but after that,
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Speaker 1: did he even realize they were on his ship. And
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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, yeah, what did something give this away? Like,
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Speaker 1: I still just have some kind of trouble wrapping my
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Speaker 1: head around the idea of an organic ship, like when
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Speaker 1: they go the hyperdrive and I'm like, was hyper drive
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Speaker 1: like organic? And if not, then where does it connect
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Speaker 1: to where does the where does the artificial hyperdrive connect
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Speaker 1: to the organicness of that ship?
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Speaker 2: And uh?
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Speaker 1: And then when you're looking at the ship from outside,
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Speaker 1: you know, in space, and you see it sort of
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Speaker 1: it's its thrusters fire and I'm like, well, again, where
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Speaker 1: does that energy is being shot out from an organic
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I just it's it's, it's, it's, it's it's confusing to me.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, also, I guess if we could understand it,
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Speaker 1: it wouldn't be science fiction, and it's absolutely supposed to be.
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Speaker 3: Also, also, maybe we shouldn't do Fast Cape after this,
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Speaker 3: because that entire series is set on a Leviathan ship
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Speaker 3: that is alive. It literally gives birth. That's at one
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Speaker 3: point the ship, the ship give birth to another smaller ship.
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Speaker 2: Jesus.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so then again I might even jump on
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Speaker 1: board that easier.
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Speaker 3: I think that's done better.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: They call her a biomechanoid. And in the in the Stargate,
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Speaker 3: in the Fastcape universe, faster than light travel doesn't exist
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Speaker 3: to normal ships, but Moyer being a oh god, now
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Speaker 3: a Leviathan, they have this natural ability of this thing
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Speaker 3: called starbursts, and they do these like quick bursts of
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Speaker 3: faster than light speed and that gets them away. They
10:47
Speaker 3: don't have any weapons. Yeah, it's to me, that's I
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Speaker 3: buy that way more than I would. Yeah, Like, but
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Speaker 3: they're also it's they're almost like space whales. Yeah, they're
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Speaker 3: kind of likes they're essentially purgles. Yeah, so it's like,
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Speaker 3: I buy that more than I buy whatever this was
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Speaker 3: with the yeah with the wraith because yeah, just and
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Speaker 3: then of all things, now I feel like this could
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Speaker 3: be a Martin Guiro joke, because he it was written
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Speaker 3: by John Paul, directed by Will Wearing. But I just
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Speaker 3: feel like, of all the things they could have said,
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Speaker 3: of all the diseases they could have listed, this was
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Speaker 3: the wrong one to list.
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Speaker 2: You're convinced this has something to do with Michael Well,
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Speaker 2: it's not a case of the hives.
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Speaker 3: It was at this moment that he knew he done.
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Speaker 3: It was, in fact a case of the hives. Hell,
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Speaker 3: I had a case of the hives.
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Speaker 2: Can we can we talk about Beckett for a second.
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Speaker 3: Well, just before we do, just because I had so
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Speaker 3: much fun making that. Just one more, I did an alt.
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Speaker 2: You're convinced this has something to do with Michael Well,
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Speaker 2: it's not a case of the hives. Error followed by error.
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Speaker 3: That was a Gilmore girl's quote.
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Speaker 2: I figured, I'll take it.
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Speaker 3: That's one for that.
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Speaker 1: You can't combine these, right, you can't. You can't have
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Speaker 1: like two Gilmore girls and one star Trek.
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Speaker 3: And no, no, it doesn't work that way.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't hang on maybe no, No, I can do that.
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Speaker 2: I hang on, maybe I.
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Speaker 1: Can do it.
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Speaker 3: I can do two Star Treks and two Gilmore Girls
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Speaker 3: in an episode and still not have a microphone turner.
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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: I was I was going to say for this episode,
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Speaker 1: you can't combine them to make three, so you can
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Speaker 1: leave because you don't want to know.
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Speaker 2: But that's dangerous.
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Speaker 1: Like rather than having like, oh, three Star Trek and
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Speaker 1: you're out, you could have two Star Trek, two Gilmore Girls.
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Speaker 3: And then just leave everybody a little bit nervous, mostly you,
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Speaker 3: because it just does now. Yeah, so it kind of
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Speaker 3: just leaves you doing the rest of the episode by yourself.
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Speaker 1: And I throw in you two Little of the Rings,
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Speaker 1: two Star Wars to Marvel, two Carmel chats by myself,
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Speaker 1: who knows, mate, who knows?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I know, we're talking about all that.
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Speaker 1: Can we talk about Beckett for a second, because beck Becket,
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Speaker 1: I found myself thinking about something you mentioned with Rainbow
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Speaker 1: obviously coming back for a three second cameo two weeks ago,
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Speaker 1: thinking well.
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Speaker 2: Good on you for being a service to the show.
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Speaker 1: Good on you for saying yes, even if he showed
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Speaker 1: up and got paid God knows whatever.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you still take rent to pay.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like you're still doing it, and it's almost I
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Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like it would be weird, like
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Speaker 1: walking back into that work. They just kind of like
13:12
Speaker 1: slowly quickly but then still slowly phased you out and
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Speaker 1: replaced you, and then they asked you back, and you
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Speaker 1: came back, and then you came back again, and then
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Speaker 1: with no big climactic goodbye, you disappeared again to never
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Speaker 1: be seen, only to then return again for a three
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Speaker 1: second cameo. It's got to be weird to keep walking
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Speaker 1: back on that set, I imagine when I don't know
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Speaker 1: who knows what they thought after that first season. Did
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Speaker 1: he think, oh, this is a I've got this job
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Speaker 1: for years, Like.
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Speaker 3: I think so, because they said, like they it was
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Speaker 3: very Hollywood, and it's like, oh, you're not fired, We've
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Speaker 3: just reduced you to recurring. So for season two he
13:50
Speaker 3: had a four episode contract, so he knew that he
13:52
Speaker 3: was going to do at least four episodes of season
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Speaker 3: two and they just never bothered to renew it. Yeah,
13:56
Speaker 3: and I think that's again why Tory Higginson, you know,
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Speaker 3: she got the same deal. After season three, they said
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Speaker 3: we're going to reduce you to recurring. You've got a
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Speaker 3: four episode contract, which she fulfilled in season four. But
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Speaker 3: then yeah, when she was asked back for season five, she.
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Speaker 1: Went and look, if this was a real life thing.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's good when you get familiar with characters
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Speaker 1: and stuff like that as a viewer and as a fan.
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Speaker 1: But you watch this show, you watch SG one, you go, well,
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Speaker 1: none of these four are really in peril because they're
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Speaker 1: making this show. They're going to be fine. And that
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Speaker 1: does take an element of out of the show. You know,
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Speaker 1: Like we joked about it with Continuum last week and
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Speaker 1: you guys are laughing at Meking twenty four and you're
14:38
Speaker 1: both very proud to say you've never seen a second
14:40
Speaker 1: of the show. It's not quite as bad as something
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Speaker 1: like Game of Thrones, but like people would die and
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Speaker 1: main characters were just you know, they very similar.
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Speaker 2: I guess to.
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Speaker 1: Not really a Becket or a Rainbow, but it's something
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Speaker 1: similar where someone has been mainstay in the past and
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Speaker 1: then they brought back like had never left the show.
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Speaker 1: We meant for maybe Maine and seasons one and two
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Speaker 1: slightly less than in three and four. And then I
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Speaker 1: think the premiere episode of season five bought to the
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Speaker 1: head Banks straight away. You're like, holy, like and this
15:13
Speaker 1: character was massive to the franchise, like not just as
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Speaker 1: a character to the show, but like what role they
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Speaker 1: were in in the story?
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Speaker 3: Didn't they did that in n CIS. I feel like there.
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Speaker 2: Was that yeah who died.
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Speaker 3: There was that female character at the end of like
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Speaker 3: the first season that apparently was a bit spoiler alert,
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Speaker 3: there was some female character that apparently was a really
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Speaker 3: traumatic death, and then they had the ZeVA character.
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Speaker 1: For all took her place for a long time, long
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Speaker 1: time with Michael Weatherley. Yes, and I think they left together.
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Speaker 1: I think they left the show together. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but.
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Speaker 2: With with one of the reason bring it twenty four.
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Speaker 2: I remember Jack, I say.
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Speaker 1: Keith Bauer, Keith Keifer Sutherland, Jack Bauer and keep of
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Speaker 1: Sutherland said.
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Speaker 3: No, the Gilmore reference. What is Keefer Sutherland?
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Speaker 2: Ah, you know what, I think you're familiar with that one. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're like in the in the in the reboot,
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Speaker 3: like ten years after the show ended, and two people
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Speaker 3: are getting married. I won't give away the boiler.
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Speaker 2: Oh god, don't.
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Speaker 3: They're like, They're like, who is this Keifer that's been
16:19
Speaker 3: invited to the wedding. The guy's like, my friend Keifer
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Speaker 3: keep for Sutherland. Oh like the actor, who's that? Ah, right,
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Speaker 3: Keiper Sutherland. There's only one key for Sutherland. He's like, oh,
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Speaker 3: we went to a we went to a sports camp,
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Speaker 3: you know, twenty years ago. He's just one of my friends.
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Speaker 3: And then and then they're like and then they start
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Speaker 3: doing twenty four impressions. Damn it, Jack, Remember that keeps
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Speaker 3: Sutherland like that he's going to be at the wedding.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, I want to give you that's too,
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Speaker 1: but I'm nervous that you're going to add to a thermal.
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Speaker 3: Please don't because I have I have something for you
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Speaker 3: that could potentially be a that's three Okay, Okay, this
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Speaker 3: one was unintentional. I have a second intentional one.
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Speaker 1: Man. I mean I felt like you were stretching. Oh
16:54
Speaker 1: that's a that's a Gilmore girl's reference. I who key
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Speaker 1: for Sutherland. I'm like, No, that's just a person.
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Speaker 2: That's sort of reference. It's just a human man.
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Speaker 1: So he but he said, I think my character should die,
17:06
Speaker 1: like he was the main character that entire franchise. He said,
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Speaker 1: I think I should die at some point. He said
17:10
Speaker 1: the show should have stakes where this character just dies
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Speaker 1: and then the viewers, all of a sudden, eleven episodes
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Speaker 1: into a twenty four episode series, you go, well, hang on,
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Speaker 1: what the fuck just happened?
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Speaker 2: We just lost our main character? Like, yeah, what's going
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Speaker 2: to happen now?
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Speaker 1: And I agree with that, And you know, I love
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Speaker 1: a movie that's brave enough to kill its main character
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Speaker 1: at the end or two thirds of the way through
17:31
Speaker 1: or something like that, even though as a viewer it's
17:35
Speaker 1: your comfort to know that that's who you're going to
17:36
Speaker 1: be watching.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, it is, there is I think it's a
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Speaker 3: fine line you walk with that because I agree there
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Speaker 3: has to be peril because otherwise, yeah, if you just
17:44
Speaker 3: think you know your main character is always going to survive,
17:46
Speaker 3: you're just like, okay, it's not a matter of how
17:49
Speaker 3: are they going to get out of this? Is when
17:50
Speaker 3: are they going to get out of it? Like they're
17:51
Speaker 3: going to get out of this?
17:52
Speaker 2: Yeah.
17:52
Speaker 3: The issue I have with specifically season five of Atlantis
17:56
Speaker 3: is where now on our third commander of the base, ah,
18:00
Speaker 3: And I just think which might.
18:02
Speaker 1: Be something that would happen in real life in this
18:04
Speaker 1: case because it's such a big undertaking and I guess
18:09
Speaker 1: people way back here on Earth would never feel fully
18:12
Speaker 1: satisfied that it's being run to its full potential because
18:16
Speaker 1: of all the shit that keeps going wrong, right, So
18:18
Speaker 1: it would be a thing where they would just keep replacing.
18:20
Speaker 1: We've got someone who's not the military. We've got someone
18:22
Speaker 1: who is in the military. Now we've got someone who's
18:23
Speaker 1: in like a it's kind of like a government sector
18:26
Speaker 1: type thing, you know, we just keep picking out people
18:28
Speaker 1: from different groups to see what it feels.
18:30
Speaker 3: It feels lived in the same way like a lot
18:32
Speaker 3: of the soapie shows like here We've got you know,
18:34
Speaker 3: Neighbors and Home and Away, and then there's you know,
18:36
Speaker 3: Your Days of Our Lives and that kind of stuff,
18:38
Speaker 3: those shows that run for twenty thirty years. Yea, it
18:41
Speaker 3: makes sense that people in your life come and go,
18:43
Speaker 3: you know, or whatever. The you know, the main character
18:45
Speaker 3: of Home and Away, I feel like a summer bay,
18:47
Speaker 3: you know, and it's just people coming and.
18:49
Speaker 1: Going or it's weird and like not what you're saying,
18:51
Speaker 1: but like when they like neighbors is probably my main
18:54
Speaker 1: thing happens at Home and Away as well, what happen
18:56
Speaker 1: in all these sort of shows, But like half, like
18:58
Speaker 1: a family will stay and then someone from that family,
19:02
Speaker 1: the actor will leave, and in the case of like
19:05
Speaker 1: a home andway or neighbors, they move like an hour away. Yeah,
19:09
Speaker 1: and they never come back to visit their family.
19:12
Speaker 3: It's just like like me living forty minutes away from
19:15
Speaker 3: you and I never go to your house, you know
19:16
Speaker 3: what I mean. It's crazy, yeah, so but yeah, for me,
19:20
Speaker 3: it's just like I like a little bit of communiton.
19:21
Speaker 3: You think about season one, Yes, we had everybody. Beginning
19:25
Speaker 3: of season two we lost Forward yep. Beginning of season
19:29
Speaker 3: two we gained Ronan. End of season three we lost
19:33
Speaker 3: Beckett and Weir. Then beginning of season four we get Carter.
19:39
Speaker 3: End of season four we lose Carter, but get Beckett back. Yeah,
19:44
Speaker 3: and then season five now we have Woolsey. And the
19:47
Speaker 3: issue I have with Wolsey is and I think it
19:50
Speaker 3: stems from because you know me, I lover of Pikado.
19:52
Speaker 3: Obviously it stems from the General hammondness of it in
19:57
Speaker 3: that General Hammond was reliable. It's we could go out
20:01
Speaker 3: and do these dangerous missions because we knew that General
20:04
Speaker 3: Hammond had our back. He was holding the door open,
20:07
Speaker 3: and we would rely on him to get home. It
20:09
Speaker 3: was just getting to the gate was all We had
20:11
Speaker 3: to get home and be safe because Hammond was always
20:13
Speaker 3: there for us. Woolsey you can't trust. So it's it's
20:18
Speaker 3: a weird it's a weird inclusion. And obviously, you know
20:24
Speaker 3: last the finale of last season, that was in the
20:27
Speaker 3: horrible alternate future where Sam dies and Woolsey has made
20:32
Speaker 3: leader of a dantis. You know, because there's even that
20:35
Speaker 3: line in the in the start of this when they're
20:37
Speaker 3: sitting down at his big conference table that he brought
20:39
Speaker 3: with him his little touch of home, his twelve foot
20:41
Speaker 3: mahogany table. They referenced it and saying, wasn't this part
20:45
Speaker 3: of that weird alternate future.
20:46
Speaker 2: That you that you that's weirdness?
20:48
Speaker 3: And you know, he has that snarky line about not
20:50
Speaker 3: the weirdest thing and then kind of looks at Keller
20:52
Speaker 3: and kay, yeah, So I think it's it's just a
20:56
Speaker 3: weird like I wouldn't I wouldn't trust, And I guess
21:01
Speaker 3: in a way from a writer's point of view, I'm
21:02
Speaker 3: sure it helps them in that over this next season
21:06
Speaker 3: they have a way to make us like Wolsey more
21:09
Speaker 3: like like him, like him, not like to hate him.
21:11
Speaker 3: I feel like we liked him in the return, Yes,
21:13
Speaker 3: you know, because it was just him and Jack, you know,
21:15
Speaker 3: back and forth and he was you know, fish out
21:17
Speaker 3: of water sort of scenario. But yes, we give something
21:21
Speaker 3: to do. But I just if I was a member
21:23
Speaker 3: of the sg A team, I would be concerned about
21:27
Speaker 3: like that. I would actually be let back into into
21:30
Speaker 3: Atlantis after every mission if I didn't, you know, have
21:32
Speaker 3: exactly the right you know, things for Wolsey and it
21:35
Speaker 3: just it's a little bit like the ross is just
21:38
Speaker 3: rotating too much. And I know it wasn't planned. The
21:43
Speaker 3: mean spirited, petty part of me kind of goes suck
21:46
Speaker 3: shit for what you did to Weir. And then and
21:48
Speaker 3: then a year later, Amanda Tapping did that to you
21:51
Speaker 3: by just going I'm gonna go and do this other
21:52
Speaker 3: show now. Thanks by it's.
21:54
Speaker 2: Weird as that, well, we're gonna do this.
21:56
Speaker 1: We're gonna take away like again, not that she was
22:00
Speaker 1: it's not just for you, not that she was bad
22:03
Speaker 1: to have in there at all, but we're going to
22:05
Speaker 1: lose something that's not quite working. For whatever reason or another,
22:08
Speaker 1: they felt that way, we're going to put in something
22:10
Speaker 1: that we feel like really will work. And so it's
22:15
Speaker 1: like we're going to lose a little to gain a lot,
22:18
Speaker 1: but then that lot we're going to lose and we're
22:21
Speaker 1: not going to be able.
22:22
Speaker 2: To properly recover from it.
22:24
Speaker 1: So it's like if we didn't have that little loss,
22:26
Speaker 1: if we didn't if we didn't intentionally make ourselves have
22:30
Speaker 1: that little loss initially, who knows what would have happen
22:32
Speaker 1: with the show. What if Weird just did stick around?
22:34
Speaker 1: Does it last for six or so? If that one choice? Honestly,
22:37
Speaker 1: like it is.
22:39
Speaker 3: A sliding doors kind of moment, huge.
22:40
Speaker 1: There, like I don't like, I don't the show didn't
22:43
Speaker 1: hinge on her, but just the just the domino effect
22:46
Speaker 1: of like, well lost her, well good reddance pay because
22:49
Speaker 1: we get cart Oh shit, we've lost Carda.
22:51
Speaker 2: What are we going to do?
22:53
Speaker 1: But like Ricardo again, this is the guy Woolsey does
22:58
Speaker 1: show obviously little moments there where he's like, I just
23:01
Speaker 1: I just did the complete opposite of what I should do,
23:03
Speaker 1: and yes, I'll allow this, but we'll talk about it later.
23:07
Speaker 1: And then when they in the in the wrap up
23:08
Speaker 1: of it, saying, look, I broke this many rules and
23:12
Speaker 1: in three days and three days and then Jack Jack
23:16
Speaker 1: All Mitchell John saying yeah, but then this good thing happened.
23:20
Speaker 1: He's like, yep, and the IOA tend to agree with you,
23:23
Speaker 1: so we're just gonna let it slide. And it's like, oh,
23:25
Speaker 1: so he's kind of not coming around, but he's understanding
23:27
Speaker 1: that maybe things do work a little bit differently because
23:30
Speaker 1: they have to hear and it's not just about what
23:32
Speaker 1: he reads in these reports.
23:33
Speaker 3: I think that's the frustrating thing because as viewers, we
23:35
Speaker 3: know that we know that the IOWA for this whole
23:37
Speaker 3: time has been you know, hard on Weir and hard
23:40
Speaker 3: on even the SGC because they're not out there in
23:44
Speaker 3: the field on the front line doing these missions. They're
23:46
Speaker 3: reading the after action reports. Ye. So yeah, Woolsey, after
23:49
Speaker 3: having been in here for three days, has already done
23:53
Speaker 3: a bunch of things that he knows Elizabeth would have
23:54
Speaker 3: goten in trouble for him.
23:55
Speaker 1: Yeah. And like just before you walked in to record this,
23:58
Speaker 1: I had to have a meeting about something that happened
24:00
Speaker 1: on our radio show today and I got spoken to
24:04
Speaker 1: for half an hour about what I should have done
24:07
Speaker 1: and why I should have done it, and what I
24:09
Speaker 1: should have thought about to make that decision and why
24:11
Speaker 1: I should have done it for half an hour when
24:14
Speaker 1: the decision was made in two minutes, with potential input
24:18
Speaker 1: from three to four other people, and it was just
24:20
Speaker 1: a very I'm like, yeah, cool, we're now having this
24:22
Speaker 1: conversation with hindsight. And that's it was the Wolsey It
24:25
Speaker 1: was me sitting down with Woolsey going I've read the report,
24:28
Speaker 1: I've reread the report, I've ran over the report, I've
24:31
Speaker 1: discussed it with my superiors, I've discussed it with my
24:34
Speaker 1: colleagues and my equals, and we've come to a decision
24:36
Speaker 1: that maybe, after hours and hours of extensive investigations, you
24:40
Speaker 1: should have done this. Yeah, but I had literally a
24:43
Speaker 1: live moment to make that decision, and I try to
24:47
Speaker 1: do the right thing. And that's what you know John's
24:49
Speaker 1: doing in these episodes, That's what Ronan's doing, what McKay's doing,
24:52
Speaker 1: what Carter would have been doing. And all of a sudden,
24:55
Speaker 1: Pecado gets put into this situation and I'm going to
25:00
Speaker 1: keep calling him his name or just Ricardo, and he's
25:04
Speaker 1: going to soften up. But then he follows up with
25:06
Speaker 1: that line and says, but rules are here for a reason,
25:10
Speaker 1: and I will be following them, and even as that
25:13
Speaker 1: was kind of almost a fade.
25:14
Speaker 2: To black part of it.
25:16
Speaker 1: I and it sucks knowing that this show finishes this season.
25:21
Speaker 1: And I don't know whether not that Pacado was the
25:25
Speaker 1: problem or Woolsey was the problem of why this show
25:29
Speaker 1: Death by thousand such, just that he it's just what happened.
25:32
Speaker 1: He comes in and eventually that's that's the endgame of
25:36
Speaker 1: the show.
25:36
Speaker 3: You know, Brad Wright's not writing or show running anymore.
25:40
Speaker 2: Yeah.
25:40
Speaker 3: In Cooper's not writing a show running anymore. Yeah, Martin
25:43
Speaker 3: Woods not directing anymore. Peter Delawize is and directing episodes anymore. Yeah,
25:48
Speaker 3: Joe and Paul are the show runners for this season. Yeah.
25:51
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of names like of writers and
25:53
Speaker 3: stuff like that that I'm just I'm just not seeing
25:55
Speaker 3: anymore writers and directors. I'm just not seeing anymore. Yeah,
25:58
Speaker 3: So the show is changing. Yeah, And obviously it just
26:00
Speaker 3: kind of yeah, it just kind of put and you know,
26:04
Speaker 3: Atlanta's wasn't you know, the as big as it was,
26:07
Speaker 3: never as big as as SG one, so it was
26:09
Speaker 3: already you know, fighting an uphill battle. So I just
26:11
Speaker 3: think not having a lot of the A team and
26:14
Speaker 3: what Stargate fans knew to be Stargate as the people
26:17
Speaker 3: behind the scenes creating it, not creating it anymore. It
26:21
Speaker 3: just felt a little bit diluted. Not to say that
26:23
Speaker 3: Joel and Paul aren't great writers, but maybe they weren't
26:26
Speaker 3: the best showrunners or maybe you know, things like well,
26:28
Speaker 3: maybe maybe it would have taken them another season or
26:30
Speaker 3: two to find their footing, because it's like, hell, if
26:32
Speaker 3: you look at the first couple of seasons of SG one,
26:34
Speaker 3: there's some stinkers in there. So you could almost look
26:37
Speaker 3: at this as season one of Joe and Paul's version
26:40
Speaker 3: of again, you know what I mean.
26:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that, aside just purely watching it
26:46
Speaker 1: now and imagining myself as a viewer watching it live,
26:49
Speaker 1: I'm kind of excited by the prospect of having this
26:52
Speaker 1: rotating door of leaders because it's like, Okay, we had
26:56
Speaker 1: Hammond forever and then we get Hammond adjacent. He's not
27:00
Speaker 1: as cool as Hammond, he's not as fluid as Hammond,
27:03
Speaker 1: but he's Hammond adjacent in how much we see him
27:06
Speaker 1: on screen, and you know, the presence where we see him,
27:09
Speaker 1: what he's wearing, generally like he's just kind of like,
27:12
Speaker 1: you know, the other Hammond. We're very different to Carter. Carter,
27:15
Speaker 1: and we're both very different to Wolsey. We're being a
27:20
Speaker 1: civilian and being this you know, the great negotiator. Carter
27:26
Speaker 1: coming in as a military personnel and a scientific mind,
27:30
Speaker 1: but also someone who's had ten years worth of experience
27:32
Speaker 1: doing missions in space other aliens, both exploration and in
27:38
Speaker 1: wartime basically. And then we get Wolsey, who is all
27:43
Speaker 1: suit talk, all government stuff, all buacat, he's a bureaucrat. Yeah,
27:48
Speaker 1: and he's going to come out. All three of them
27:50
Speaker 1: are coming at leading this mission, let alone any other mission,
27:55
Speaker 1: with such a different mindset and way that they like
27:59
Speaker 1: to do things. So I'm kind of excited by that.
28:01
Speaker 1: It's just that's hindered by the idea, by the fact
28:04
Speaker 1: rather that I know it's going to end in nineteen episodes.
28:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, and when you think about all the times we've
28:10
Speaker 3: had other leaders come in on SG one, Remember when
28:13
Speaker 3: those couple of times where Hammond got bumped out and
28:15
Speaker 3: there was that guy that like blew up an entire
28:17
Speaker 3: knack with a planet or whatever because he wasn't listening
28:20
Speaker 3: to Kater. So it's like we know that. You know,
28:22
Speaker 3: if you're not willing to like listen to the professionals
28:25
Speaker 3: and work in with them, you're going to have a
28:28
Speaker 3: bad time.
28:29
Speaker 2: Yeah.
28:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, so's It's an interesting kind of kind of concept.
28:33
Speaker 1: But and at the same time, I don't want him
28:35
Speaker 1: just to just to slide into place. Like we joked
28:39
Speaker 1: about the Home and Away the Neighbors the soapies before,
28:43
Speaker 1: but those shows are kind of built on let's bring
28:47
Speaker 1: in another like really unique character. Yeah, you know, this
28:52
Speaker 1: person's a bikey. He's gonna he's gonna come to this show,
28:55
Speaker 1: this little seaside town or you know, the suburbs of Melbourne,
28:59
Speaker 1: he's gonna shake up.
29:02
Speaker 2: And initially he's sitting there. He's the heart throb because.
29:04
Speaker 1: He's the bad boy to the girls, and he's potentially
29:06
Speaker 1: breaking up other relationships, so other people that don't like
29:09
Speaker 1: him because he doesn't fit into the system and he's
29:11
Speaker 1: a bad influence on younger kids or whatever it might be.
29:15
Speaker 1: Within a year, he's exactly like everybody else in that show.
29:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what Wolvesey's the anti that and that's what
29:21
Speaker 3: I want. Boy, He's the I'm gonna follow the rules
29:25
Speaker 3: and we're all just going to pull back and just
29:26
Speaker 3: be a little just it's like a Precooldy come down.
29:29
Speaker 3: We're all going to sit down, Yeah, sit up straight,
29:31
Speaker 3: and we're going to follow the rules.
29:33
Speaker 1: So as much as he's kind of even changed from
29:34
Speaker 1: the beginning of this episode to the end, I also
29:37
Speaker 1: don't want him to be completely comfortable with letting them
29:39
Speaker 1: do everything that they're allowed to do. Otherwise, why put
29:42
Speaker 1: him in there in the first place.
29:43
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So it's it's going to be some interesting
29:45
Speaker 3: conflicts moving forward, which will be good in the same way,
29:48
Speaker 3: I guess. Yeah, Like you know, SG one was built
29:51
Speaker 3: on conflict in terms of the difference between Jack and Daniel.
29:54
Speaker 3: They were having their you know, their philosophical debates back
29:57
Speaker 3: and forward almost feel like weird and Jack we're and
30:01
Speaker 3: John would have that a lot, you know, they would
30:03
Speaker 3: go back and forth between military and civilian and all
30:06
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. We didn't have a lot of
30:08
Speaker 3: that last season with Carter because she was the military
30:12
Speaker 3: person and we don't want people having conflict with Carter.
30:15
Speaker 3: What I did like when she you know, she pulled
30:17
Speaker 3: rank on the on old mate from the Apollo when
30:20
Speaker 3: she's like, don't you dare speak to my crew members.
30:22
Speaker 2: Like, oh, that was cool.
30:23
Speaker 3: But what I like, as much as it was kind
30:26
Speaker 3: of well done in Search and Rescue where Carter leaving
30:28
Speaker 3: there was no fanfare because they all expected her to
30:31
Speaker 3: be back and everything like that, what I liked about
30:33
Speaker 3: this episode is they did sell it well in the
30:35
Speaker 3: sense that when they've had the line about early from overperforming,
30:41
Speaker 3: she did too, well, she's she's eliminated all these well, well,
30:44
Speaker 3: we've eliminated all these adversaries under her command. We're a
30:47
Speaker 3: little more chill now, so the IOWA now goes, well,
30:51
Speaker 3: we can put our sticky little fingers in here and
30:53
Speaker 3: actually now run thing now that there's less stakes, you know,
30:56
Speaker 3: because the IOWAY could have come in after Elizabeth, but
30:59
Speaker 3: there's too much heat, there's too many things going on,
31:02
Speaker 3: too many adversaries. Now that things are a little calm
31:04
Speaker 3: of the eyeways, well when we can come in and
31:06
Speaker 3: we can take credit for all this and now run
31:09
Speaker 3: things the way that we want to run them. So
31:10
Speaker 3: I do like that element of it.
31:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, even on it, I guess the viewerpoint if they
31:13
Speaker 1: would have went straight from Weird to the IOWAY, you'd
31:16
Speaker 1: have been like it'd been such a ninety degree turn
31:19
Speaker 1: you would have got whiplash out of it. Whereas Carter
31:23
Speaker 1: comes in for a season next season, ioway, you're like, oh,
31:27
Speaker 1: you kind of almost just used to because it's change.
31:29
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, this is what this show does.
31:31
Speaker 1: It's not only the second time that it's happened, but
31:33
Speaker 1: it would still it's sort of softened the blow by
31:36
Speaker 1: having it happen all already.
31:38
Speaker 2: I guess. Yeah.
31:41
Speaker 1: On Wolsey though, it was funny. I remember you saying
31:43
Speaker 1: something in the Search and Rescue pod and I didn't
31:48
Speaker 1: realize it was going to become a thing that I
31:50
Speaker 1: would really latch onto in this episode, and you mentioned, oh,
31:53
Speaker 1: he because we're talking about the fact that Carter, it's like,
31:57
Speaker 1: what happened in Midway? Because did they just look up
31:59
Speaker 1: the the ZSPM because she traveled via the Gate to
32:04
Speaker 1: get back to Earth and Midways done? So how did
32:07
Speaker 1: that happen? And you said, oh, well, yeah, in the
32:10
Speaker 1: next episode, Woolsey travels via the Deadliss so he's on
32:13
Speaker 1: there for three weeks and okay, cool, whatever.
32:16
Speaker 2: It's not like it's a spoiler, it's not a big detail.
32:18
Speaker 2: Just he does it differently.
32:18
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, but just the like, I don't know, when
32:22
Speaker 1: he beams in, it just seemed like he was like
32:25
Speaker 1: to me, and I'm like, ah, for Christ's sake, it
32:27
Speaker 1: just seemed like he was trying to make so much
32:30
Speaker 1: rather than just And again, when you explained it the
32:33
Speaker 1: other week, you know, in hindsight, now the idea of
32:36
Speaker 1: well they can't travel straight to the pegasustause they haven't
32:39
Speaker 1: got the ZZPM, it makes more sense. But I wasn't
32:41
Speaker 1: thinking that way when I watched this episode. It was
32:44
Speaker 1: just like he could have come through the gate like
32:45
Speaker 1: any normal visitor.
32:47
Speaker 2: Instead he had to beam in.
32:49
Speaker 3: To that little the little podium part of Yeah, he.
32:53
Speaker 1: Just wanted to make some killer entry and whether or not,
32:55
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, it's not the first time we've ever
32:58
Speaker 1: seen him on this show or anything like that'll probably
33:00
Speaker 1: even like go through the gate or beam or anything
33:03
Speaker 1: like that. But I'm like, knowing that this man has
33:05
Speaker 1: a trek passed the idea that he beams in when
33:09
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to. He could have used the stargate. Yeah,
33:11
Speaker 1: a Stargate character could have used to stargate to get there,
33:14
Speaker 1: but instead the star Trek actor beamed him.
33:16
Speaker 3: Didn't Carter take the gate when she took command, so
33:19
Speaker 3: less she must have a ZZPM. She did pop through
33:22
Speaker 3: the game, didn't she come through in her formal entire way?
33:25
Speaker 2: Wasn't entirely done at that?
33:26
Speaker 3: Yeah?
33:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so? Or is it a late season
33:30
Speaker 2: three thing?
33:31
Speaker 3: Midway middle of season three was when you had to
33:34
Speaker 3: take a jumper to go through Midway. But she was
33:37
Speaker 3: towards the end of season four when we had the
33:39
Speaker 3: tilk Momoa Midway. So yeah, maybe Carter took Midway.
33:43
Speaker 2: Would a loss.
33:44
Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking the idea, like it's such a
33:45
Speaker 1: scar like they're on ships. That's one thing that's scary
33:49
Speaker 1: in its time, But the idea of like this little
33:52
Speaker 1: station out in the middle of.
33:54
Speaker 3: Absolutely literally between Gallopy.
33:57
Speaker 1: He's just in the void nowhere. Yeah, and that's where
34:00
Speaker 1: people like that. There would be people that that have
34:03
Speaker 1: like a towour there that.
34:05
Speaker 3: You're gonna be on Doctor Lee. Doctor Lee was handing
34:08
Speaker 3: over to Kavanagh.
34:09
Speaker 2: For a month.
34:09
Speaker 1: You're in there for three months, You're in there for
34:10
Speaker 1: six months, in the middle of two galaxies, to.
34:13
Speaker 3: Be like people up on the ISS nine months see.
34:17
Speaker 2: Earth true far out.
34:20
Speaker 1: That's just such a wild concept to me, Like that
34:22
Speaker 1: just feels so much more like if you got lost there,
34:25
Speaker 1: what would happen. It's like the Daedalist comes and it's like, yeah,
34:27
Speaker 1: but you can't see something being tangible about seeing something?
34:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if you watch when Will Woolsey
34:35
Speaker 3: beams in, though, there is a nice little touch that
34:37
Speaker 3: David Hewlett added where he kind of begrudgingly stands up
34:39
Speaker 3: because everyone stands up, stands at attention, and like everyone
34:43
Speaker 3: stands up, and McKay just kind of looks around him,
34:45
Speaker 3: like why, and then Shepherd kind of looks over at
34:48
Speaker 3: him and he's like rolls his eyes and just slowly
34:50
Speaker 3: stands up as Woolsey beams in. Yeah, that was all
34:54
Speaker 3: David Hewlett's choice.
34:56
Speaker 2: That's cool.
34:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really liked that. I mentioned it during search
34:59
Speaker 3: and But the thing I really didn't like at the
35:02
Speaker 3: end of this episode is why did John have to
35:05
Speaker 3: be the hero again?
35:06
Speaker 2: Oh?
35:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, couldn't. Couldn't we have just let Ronan have
35:10
Speaker 3: this one and let him slash his way through and
35:13
Speaker 3: do the thing like John was taken out? John was,
35:16
Speaker 3: you know he I think it would have made more
35:18
Speaker 3: sense for him to be taken out by being cured,
35:20
Speaker 3: and like he could have just he could have just
35:22
Speaker 3: stayed in in the infirmary. He didn't need to like
35:25
Speaker 3: waste a jumper. You know. There was no mention of
35:29
Speaker 3: whether he was going to hit close enough to not
35:32
Speaker 3: hit Keller, Like what, like did he did he know
35:34
Speaker 3: what he was doing in terms of could he have
35:36
Speaker 3: actually just turned Keller into a skid mark if he'd
35:39
Speaker 3: not you know, hit the pot, hit the spot spot on.
35:44
Speaker 3: And then Ronan had to be saved. And I was like, really,
35:46
Speaker 3: can't we just let Ronan have this one? He hasn't
35:47
Speaker 3: had anything on episode, and he was gung ho about
35:49
Speaker 3: I'll do it, I'll do it, And I was just like,
35:52
Speaker 3: why does John always have to be.
35:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, it bugs me, And like Joe Flanagan has struck
35:58
Speaker 1: me as someone who'd be like, put it in my
35:59
Speaker 1: contract exactly, I'm going to say that every time. I
36:02
Speaker 1: don't get that from him at or.
36:05
Speaker 3: Because Jack certainly never had to save the day every
36:07
Speaker 3: single time, you know, And I.
36:09
Speaker 1: Got from that that like Jack is a character, like
36:11
Speaker 1: if he would have had the choice that he could
36:13
Speaker 1: be you every time, what do you want? Sometimes someone
36:14
Speaker 1: else can do the give a shit long as long
36:16
Speaker 1: as it happened.
36:17
Speaker 3: Sometimes it was as intelligent. Sometimes it was card of
36:20
Speaker 3: science that got got him out. Sometimes it was Tilk's
36:22
Speaker 3: brute strength and got him out of it. Sometimes it
36:24
Speaker 3: was Daniel's ability to translate something or communicate or negotiate
36:28
Speaker 3: with somebody that got him out of it.
36:29
Speaker 1: I feel like Joe Flanagan would be the tipe to go.
36:31
Speaker 1: Really does it have to be me? Again, Like, isn't
36:34
Speaker 1: everyone watching it? Isn't there a bit of like get
36:36
Speaker 1: your hand off her?
36:36
Speaker 3: Yeah? And then to add insult injury the little coda
36:40
Speaker 3: at the end of the episode, Keller, who had a
36:43
Speaker 3: hive ship growing out of her comes She goes, well,
36:46
Speaker 3: I'm fine, and she walks in and she walks into
36:48
Speaker 3: check on sheep and she said, oh, well, my recovery
36:51
Speaker 3: is much easier than yours. What she had, like, she
36:55
Speaker 3: had a hive ship growing out.
36:57
Speaker 2: Of her, Jamuji popping out of her.
37:00
Speaker 3: A freakin' puddle jumper into her tendrils and got slapped
37:06
Speaker 3: around a couple of times by the tendrils.
37:09
Speaker 1: He's got like a city sized nervous system, yeah, that
37:12
Speaker 1: he helped destroy.
37:13
Speaker 3: And yet Ronan had a bruised larynx, trachy. I think
37:17
Speaker 3: he couldn't talk for four days. He didn't even get
37:18
Speaker 3: screen time, like what, I'm over it?
37:25
Speaker 2: Yeah their cool?
37:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, not a fan. And the other thing that
37:29
Speaker 3: happened off screen at the start of the episode, because
37:31
Speaker 3: you have to remember, logistics wise, between last episode and
37:33
Speaker 3: this episode, at least a month has taken has taken
37:37
Speaker 3: it back because it was three weeks with Wolsey on
37:39
Speaker 3: the on the dad list, So Atlantis has been running
37:43
Speaker 3: with like John in command for the last three weeks
37:45
Speaker 3: because they do then they'd also do say it's been
37:47
Speaker 3: two months since Beckett was put on ice or something like, yeah,
37:51
Speaker 3: so that's the end of Kindred and yeah, like in
37:54
Speaker 3: Last Man, John was missing for twelve or fourteen days
37:56
Speaker 3: or whatever it was. But then off screen while no
38:00
Speaker 3: one's in command of Atlantis, Kanan and all his mates
38:05
Speaker 3: have basically been cured, and now they're trying to get
38:08
Speaker 3: on the main land because now we have a mainland
38:10
Speaker 3: on this.
38:10
Speaker 2: Apparently my hang on wasn't that the old planet? Yeah, yeah,
38:13
Speaker 2: that similar.
38:14
Speaker 3: So suddenly we have another main land. Kanan and all
38:16
Speaker 3: his mates are over there and they're all being cured
38:19
Speaker 3: and aarsen to come back and Waves is like, weh, yeah,
38:21
Speaker 3: maybe there are enemy combatants and stuff like that. And
38:24
Speaker 3: I'm just like the fact and just the fact that
38:27
Speaker 3: that all happened without anyone in command. I was just like,
38:30
Speaker 3: it's a lot of stuff to happen off screen.
38:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, very coal.
38:33
Speaker 1: That just reminded me the thing when I brought up
38:35
Speaker 1: all that stuff about main characters and people dying and
38:38
Speaker 1: other main characters being safe and all that sort of stuff,
38:41
Speaker 1: but then also actors coming back, and as a narrative,
38:43
Speaker 1: if it's representing real life, and that sometimes the main characters,
38:47
Speaker 1: like in each of our lives, the main character will die,
38:49
Speaker 1: a secondary character will die, I'll move on or retire
38:52
Speaker 1: or move overseas, whatever it might be. Sometimes they come back.
38:56
Speaker 1: But in a narrative sense, that doesn't make sense for
38:58
Speaker 1: an actor or performer because it's on tracks and blah
39:01
Speaker 1: blah blah. So Carter it's great, and she goes like
39:04
Speaker 1: she didn't get the weird treatment here. It wasn't that
39:06
Speaker 1: Carter got booted. It wasn't that Amanda Tapping got booted.
39:09
Speaker 1: She wanted to leave.
39:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, does this episode to help.
39:12
Speaker 1: Transition that as a story, Beckett gets killed off, then
39:17
Speaker 1: they bring the actor back to be as variant essentially
39:21
Speaker 1: of that same character, then put him on ice again
39:25
Speaker 1: and go, we might bring it back, we might not.
39:27
Speaker 1: We'll just see what happens. Yeah, And I honestly expected
39:30
Speaker 1: I think maybe even new setters much like, yeah, that's
39:32
Speaker 1: we don't see him again. And then this happens and
39:35
Speaker 1: he comes back again, and it's like, yeah, he's cured, sweet,
39:37
Speaker 1: all good, So can you help Keller because she's is that?
39:42
Speaker 2: Is that it? But then they also send him.
39:43
Speaker 3: Back to Earth.
39:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we never see him or maybe we I
39:47
Speaker 2: don't know.
39:47
Speaker 1: I just like, good good, got a couple more, Yeah,
39:50
Speaker 1: good good on mcgillcuddy for coming back.
39:51
Speaker 2: It's like, hey, we wrote you out. Yeah again.
39:54
Speaker 1: It might have been a Carter choice, it might have
39:55
Speaker 1: been an Amanda Tapping choice, or it's like, you know what,
39:58
Speaker 1: we just feel like the doctor's time is up and
40:00
Speaker 1: we needed on this case.
40:02
Speaker 3: Same way when they when they killed Fraser, Doc Fraser,
40:05
Speaker 3: it was we love you, but we need to kill
40:06
Speaker 3: someone who's not in the opening credits. Who is who
40:09
Speaker 3: the you know, uh, the fandom is going to feel,
40:13
Speaker 3: it's going to feel hard and.
40:15
Speaker 2: Were without unsubscribing from the show.
40:17
Speaker 3: Yes, what are they called acceptable losses. It's gonna hurt,
40:20
Speaker 3: but it's not going to feel like.
40:21
Speaker 2: Your collateral Janet.
40:23
Speaker 3: Yeah. And and they thought season seven was gonna be
40:27
Speaker 3: the final season, the best you won, So they thought, Okay,
40:29
Speaker 3: this is fine, Janet, Terror Roth is only going to
40:31
Speaker 3: miss out on about four more episodes of the show anyway.
40:34
Speaker 2: Not a problem this point. Yeah.
40:37
Speaker 3: And then obviously, in the same way, Terror came back
40:39
Speaker 3: for that Gemini was it Gemini?
40:41
Speaker 1: No, it was.
40:43
Speaker 3: The alternate reality one effects. She came back for that one.
40:47
Speaker 3: Her and her and Martooth came back for that one episode.
40:50
Speaker 3: So I think it was a similar situation. Is they
40:52
Speaker 3: they killed Beckett. There was a huge fan uproar. There
40:56
Speaker 3: were there were save Beckett what do you want to
41:00
Speaker 3: call it? Forums and where people would sign petitions to
41:04
Speaker 3: get him to come back. People were really really upset
41:07
Speaker 3: about about Beckett. So I think that's they realized they,
41:10
Speaker 3: you know, the life must be drawn here this fine first,
41:13
Speaker 3: and we've got a we've got to we've got to
41:15
Speaker 3: reel it back in a little bit, and we're gonna
41:17
Speaker 3: we're gonna clone him.
41:18
Speaker 2: It's like you just vocalize your own that's three to
41:20
Speaker 2: get her.
41:20
Speaker 3: That's well, where are we?
41:21
Speaker 2: Not quite?
41:22
Speaker 3: Where are we on the Gilmore Girls ones? Am I
41:24
Speaker 3: that that's one? Or that's two?
41:25
Speaker 1: I mean technical, I didn't give you that's two before,
41:29
Speaker 1: but we can say that I did.
41:30
Speaker 2: We'll play it now and if you want to do it,
41:35
Speaker 2: that's three. So this is yourself.
41:37
Speaker 3: This is going to feel bad for you because it's
41:38
Speaker 3: a gift for you.
41:39
Speaker 2: Oh well yeah, Jesus Christ, you really set me up
41:42
Speaker 2: there to.
41:42
Speaker 3: Look like so as as we know, you and I
41:45
Speaker 3: are well well known tea drinkers.
41:47
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes I call I don't actually drink came mill.
41:51
Speaker 3: No, it sounds good to say, I like a dard
41:53
Speaker 3: yealing Actually do you?
41:54
Speaker 2: How fum.
41:57
Speaker 3: And the Twinings Twinnings Australian breakfast. If you want a
42:00
Speaker 3: really strong one, that's the way to go. Anyway. A
42:02
Speaker 3: few weeks ago I went down to Melbourne to go
42:04
Speaker 3: and see a musical and stuff like that. Stayed in
42:06
Speaker 3: a hotel. Check the mini bar. They had some lovely
42:09
Speaker 3: tea selections from a brand I never noticed before, but
42:14
Speaker 3: I absolutely grabbed them to bring you. I've got you
42:17
Speaker 3: a green.
42:17
Speaker 2: Tea you brought me condoms from It does a bit,
42:20
Speaker 2: it doesn't bit.
42:21
Speaker 3: I've got you an English breakfast and a green tea
42:24
Speaker 3: of the tea brand.
42:30
Speaker 1: You know what, we were really worried about these mics
42:32
Speaker 1: because we're in a different studio and we're like, these
42:34
Speaker 1: are peaking differently.
42:35
Speaker 2: They're stronger monks. You just blew the speakers.
42:38
Speaker 1: Off, and you know what, I can't drink these now,
42:41
Speaker 1: these are props.
42:42
Speaker 3: I don't know.
42:43
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm not using them.
42:44
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, I've still.
42:46
Speaker 1: You know those chocolate what's the chocolate bar from from
42:48
Speaker 1: the movie with Bunny Way.
42:49
Speaker 3: Oh, the Three Musketeers. Yeah, I've still got Oh no,
42:52
Speaker 3: I definitely ate mine.
42:53
Speaker 2: Yeah.
42:53
Speaker 1: No, I've still got my toasty We have them sent
42:56
Speaker 1: in years ago and I've still got it.
42:58
Speaker 2: I've still got it because I fuse I'd love to
43:01
Speaker 2: beat it.
43:01
Speaker 3: No, I've got my I've still got my shot Glas
43:03
Speaker 3: because obviously you can't eat that. But no, there's there
43:07
Speaker 3: there's no chocolate Aurora.
43:09
Speaker 2: Aurora tales.
43:10
Speaker 3: Well the way that I was in the hotel room
43:12
Speaker 3: and almost went but didn't didn't. In a hotel by myself,
43:18
Speaker 3: probably would have been a bit weird.
43:20
Speaker 2: Well what a climax.
43:22
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of looking like condoms.
43:25
Speaker 2: Here you go.
43:26
Speaker 3: Third, you're breaking up. We don't want to hear what
43:29
Speaker 3: you have to say. Well, we just want you to
43:31
Speaker 3: please do us all a favorite shut up?
43:32
Speaker 1: All right, lovely this far, no further but the Gilmore girls. Yeah,
43:37
Speaker 1: I don't think they've ever canceled you out of the podcast,
43:39
Speaker 1: but that'll do this episode, dude nine Death three will
43:42
Speaker 1: be back to ninety four, which is, of course like
43:45
Speaker 1: the book.
43:46
Speaker 2: I went to Broken Tits.
43:49
Speaker 3: Broken Ties right now.
43:52
Speaker 2: Oh, there's my head's post.
43:53
Speaker 3: Episode three of season five.
44:00
Speaker 1: I went raid the synops of saving outs in front
44:02
Speaker 1: of me and that I wanted to be spoiled.
44:04
Speaker 2: But we'll be back. Yeah, next week.
44:05
Speaker 1: Next episode talk about broken today is featuring Rodan.
44:11
Speaker 3: We'll never gotta call it from now on. Continue all right,
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44:27
Speaker 3: it's too late.