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My Favorite Things Episode 10: Kurt Wikel · My Favorite Things

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SPEAKER_01: Curtis Weichel, thanks for being here.
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SPEAKER_00: It's my pleasure, Brandon.
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SPEAKER_01: Or is it mine?
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SPEAKER_01: We're about to find out.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can find out.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm guessing you don't do a lot of podcast interviews.
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SPEAKER_00: It was my first one.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, man.
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SPEAKER_00: Breaking new ground.
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SPEAKER_01: Great.
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SPEAKER_01: Can you tell people a little bit about who you are?
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SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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SPEAKER_00: So my name is Kurt Weichel.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm a geophysicist.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm a dad.
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SPEAKER_00: I co-own a brewery with some friends.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, originally from North Dakota and then Montana.
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So I'm an American,
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but I live in Canada right now,
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which is an interesting story.
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place to be especially because i live in calgary alberta which
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has its own like
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unique place in politics at the moment as a total citizen so um
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yeah so i'm also a
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dad i think i said that before but yeah married with a kid yep
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and you and i have
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known each other for 20 to 23 years now probably yeah and the
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funny part is i think
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SPEAKER_00: you live like maybe two miles from where i've met
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SPEAKER_00: So you're at the University of Montana, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like a mile and a half.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: So pretty close.
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SPEAKER_01: Does that make me a failure or a success?
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SPEAKER_00: No, not at all.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm jealous, actually.
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I mean,
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like,
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if I could have,
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I never would have left Missoula because Missoula is amazing.
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But,
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like,
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yeah,
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when I was in school,
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we met when we were both in school.
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SPEAKER_00: You had just moved to Missoula, I think, from Iowa.
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And I was in school for,
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like,
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geology and physics at the building right next to the J School.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: There's a little water under the bridge since then.
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SPEAKER_00: Just a little bit.
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I think we're actually healthier now than we were back then,
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though,
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is the ironic part.
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SPEAKER_00: I think we're in a better way.
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SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_01: I have not smoked a cigarette in almost 20 years now, I think.
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SPEAKER_01: And that was one of our primary activities.
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SPEAKER_00: It is, actually.
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SPEAKER_00: I fondly remember that.
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SPEAKER_00: I still have some of the coffee mugs you gave me.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Denial is not a river in Egypt.
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SPEAKER_00: My daughter used it last night.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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SPEAKER_01: That's fantastic.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So as you know, this podcast is called My Favorite Things.
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So you have this list of your favorite creative works
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throughout your life,
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SPEAKER_01: and we're just going to go through them.
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SPEAKER_01: The first one on your list is The Simpsons, which is a show that
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Can you talk about how old you are when you first encountered
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The Simpsons?
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, man.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So when I say The Simpsons,
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SPEAKER_00: I don't mean...
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I have to plead the card of somebody who was young when The
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Simpsons came out,
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SPEAKER_00: and I only want to reference seasons two through eight,
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SPEAKER_00: like the golden year of The Simpsons.
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SPEAKER_00: I haven't watched The Simpsons.
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SPEAKER_00: I haven't watched new episodes of The Simpsons since...
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, man, probably like 2005.
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SPEAKER_00: It kind of died for me like in the late 90s.
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SPEAKER_00: But when I was young,
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SPEAKER_00: when I was,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: when I was a kid growing up in North Dakota,
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SPEAKER_00: like The Simpsons was everything.
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SPEAKER_00: It was so new.
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It was so esoterically funny back when like Conan O'Brien was
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writing for it.
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SPEAKER_00: It shaped a lot of sort of,
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SPEAKER_00: and I didn't know it at the time,
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SPEAKER_00: but when you look back on it and watch it when you're older,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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sort of the things that you find funny or the jokes that you
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make or the things
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SPEAKER_00: that you associate with childhood.
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SPEAKER_00: For TV shows,
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SPEAKER_00: for me,
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it was the only and the first show I used to willfully cut
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things out of my day to
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SPEAKER_00: make sure I watched it.
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SPEAKER_00: So like I started watching it,
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SPEAKER_00: I think when it first came out,
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SPEAKER_00: I think I didn't get into it until the third season.
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SPEAKER_00: So that would have been like 1992.
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And I watched it religiously until like I,
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you know,
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when I was in high school.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, God, like I still to this day, I'm terrible with names.
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SPEAKER_00: I know people's faces.
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SPEAKER_00: I could I could have met you five times.
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I won't remember your name,
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but I can distinctly remember full episode quotes.
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SPEAKER_00: I can recite almost every single episode from The Simpsons.
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SPEAKER_00: Like there's a chunk of my brain.
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: the thing where if you learn a new thing,
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SPEAKER_00: something leaves because you only have a certain capacity.
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Like,
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The Simpsons is burned into my cortex in a way that I can't
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really fully describe.
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SPEAKER_00: And no other show's ever done it like that.
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SPEAKER_00: I think it's because of the age I was.
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SPEAKER_00: And it was a little bit older for me at the time.
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And so the humor,
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some of it was a little bit above my head,
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but you could kind of grow into it.
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SPEAKER_00: And so,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: and then I got to,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: and then you get older,
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SPEAKER_00: and then if you choose to have kids,
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SPEAKER_00: if you have kids,
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SPEAKER_00: you get to...
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SPEAKER_00: like share it with them.
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And I remember watching episodes of my daughter at the age that
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I was at the time
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SPEAKER_00: and thinking to myself,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: my God,
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SPEAKER_00: I can't believe anybody let me watch this at that age.
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SPEAKER_00: And like, but I let her do it because I was just like, oh, it was okay.
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SPEAKER_00: And then she,
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SPEAKER_00: she,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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she managed to get through it without like having any bad
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habits that came out of
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SPEAKER_00: it that weren't any worse than anything else that she'd seen.
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But it was,
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I think the sense of humor,
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the way that you looked at the world
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SPEAKER_00: The sort of,
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SPEAKER_00: I guess it would be like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: there was an optimism to every episode,
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SPEAKER_00: even though it would deal with dark subjects and stuff.
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There was like an optimism that came with every episode that
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was really kind of touching.
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SPEAKER_00: And I still have it and I've got it on my computer right now.
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There was an episode where they're going over like where Homer
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gets to quit his job
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SPEAKER_00: finally because they pay off their mortgage.
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SPEAKER_00: So he goes to work in his dream job at the bowling alley.
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SPEAKER_00: And like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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Marge gets pregnant with Maggie and he has to like go back to
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working at the
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SPEAKER_00: nuclear power plant,
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SPEAKER_00: which is like soul crushing for him.
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And there's a plaque on the wall that says,
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don't forget you're here forever.
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SPEAKER_00: And at the end of the episode,
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SPEAKER_00: they're asking,
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SPEAKER_00: they're asking where all the pictures of Maggie are.
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SPEAKER_00: And he says, well, you know, I keep him where I need him the most.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's at the end,
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it's got this thing where it's like he's covered up the sign
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with pictures of
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SPEAKER_00: Maggie that says,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: do it for her.
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SPEAKER_00: And so,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: as the father of a daughter who works in an office every day,
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SPEAKER_00: which I can agree can be soul crushing.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like I still have it on my desk.
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SPEAKER_00: I still think about.
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SPEAKER_00: So it was a big part.
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SPEAKER_00: It was a big part of who I was when I was a kid and still is.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know why or how, but that's that's incredible.
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SPEAKER_00: So.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, did you do?
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I remember Bart in the first few seasons,
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like when it was very brand new.
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SPEAKER_01: I was a young kid, too.
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SPEAKER_01: And I remember Bart being sort of this like.
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SPEAKER_01: cool role model for, like, eight, nine-year-olds, you know?
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SPEAKER_01: Like, is that your memory of it as well?
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SPEAKER_01: Like,
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SPEAKER_01: that was the character you would latch on to,
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SPEAKER_01: and you would have the Bart Simpson shirt when you were that age?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a good question.
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SPEAKER_01: Did you have a different journey?
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SPEAKER_00: No,
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SPEAKER_00: I was,
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SPEAKER_00: I always,
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SPEAKER_00: I think Bart was,
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SPEAKER_00: I always liked Bart,
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SPEAKER_00: but I always kind of found him annoying.
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SPEAKER_00: My favorite character was Homer.
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SPEAKER_00: I was an eight to ten-year-old.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know why, but, you know, like, I just...
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SPEAKER_00: As a man who had a family and a house at his age,
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SPEAKER_00: when I was younger,
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SPEAKER_00: I was like,
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SPEAKER_00: man,
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SPEAKER_00: that's something to aspire to.
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SPEAKER_00: Single family, single income family.
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SPEAKER_00: He gets to spend time with his kids.
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I wouldn't say I was a normal child,
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but I just thought he was hilarious,
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like comedy.
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SPEAKER_00: I was never as big a Bart fan.
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SPEAKER_00: I was way more of a Homer fan.
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SPEAKER_00: Still am.
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SPEAKER_00: And he was actually my... I used him as my image for my phone forever.
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SPEAKER_00: So when I called people, it'd be Homer.
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SPEAKER_00: Don't ask me why it seemed to click.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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I feel like,
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uh,
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you and my brother could sit around for like six hours and just
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trade quotes.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, cause I feel like he's very much the same.
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SPEAKER_01: A lot of his sense of humor is Simpsons quotes.
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SPEAKER_01: Um,
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SPEAKER_01: do you,
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do you find occasion in your regular life to bond with people
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over the Simpsons or
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SPEAKER_01: Simpsons quotes now as an adult?
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SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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And I don't know if I seek people out who have the same
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interests with me or if you
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just gravitate towards the people who have the same formative
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things that you did.
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But like every single one of my friends had the same obsession
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with it when they were kids.
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So maybe we turned into similar people because of the way that
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we ingested that
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SPEAKER_00: media or something,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: or,
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SPEAKER_00: or gravitated to them because like we have that thing.
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SPEAKER_00: But like,
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SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: now that we get together,
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it's normal if other people do this,
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SPEAKER_00: but like,
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SPEAKER_00: yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: everybody's got their show.
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I think like kids that are slightly older than us,
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it was South Park,
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right?
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And then like,
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or Chappelle's show or like whatever media at the time was
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insanely popular.
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SPEAKER_00: Cause like what came after that was like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: and then there was some more of the other,
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SPEAKER_00: at least in the cartoon space.
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I think there are other people that had that show,
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but for us,
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it was always a Simpson.
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SPEAKER_00: So absolutely.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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like I get into these loops and I pity anybody else that's with
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us when we do it
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because it's just myopic and nobody else really gets it unless
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you're into it.
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I'd imagine how Grateful Dead fans are like spouses of Grateful
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Dead fans feel when
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SPEAKER_00: they start talking about it,
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SPEAKER_00: you know?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, any passion.
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I feel like I had a friend who was not a rock climber who
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wanted to make a film.
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SPEAKER_00: I was going to say climbers.
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SPEAKER_01: You beat me too.
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He wanted to make a film making fun of rock climbers who get
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together and once they
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SPEAKER_01: figure out they're both rock climbers,
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SPEAKER_01: that's all they talk about for an hour.
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SPEAKER_01: I think it's like that with a lot of different...
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SPEAKER_01: I'm sure it's like model train enthusiasts and like, you know, whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: So,
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SPEAKER_00: but in one sense,
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SPEAKER_00: at least,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: climbing is a healthy occupation to be obsessed with or cycling,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: the Simpsons is,
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SPEAKER_00: I guess it'd be healthy mentally,
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SPEAKER_00: but you know,
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SPEAKER_00: there's no sport associated with us.
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SPEAKER_00: There's a passion that comes with certain things in that.
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I think I've found it bound together and I've found it through
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social media.
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SPEAKER_00: Like,
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SPEAKER_00: And there's this whole cadre of people that are like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: the Simpsons seasons two through eight were the holy grail of television.
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SPEAKER_00: And they're all my age.
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I guarantee you they're all between the age of like late 30s to
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early 50s.
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SPEAKER_00: So it existed in a time and a space, right?
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SPEAKER_00: You can find them.
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SPEAKER_00: There's Instagram accounts.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, there's TikTok, I'm sure.
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SPEAKER_00: YouTube, it doesn't matter.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: You know,
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I think if you're going to end up in a conversation with
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somebody at a party and
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SPEAKER_01: it's about the Simpsons,
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SPEAKER_01: that's at least...
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That's way more fun to be around than two people talking about
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politics,
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no matter what.
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SPEAKER_01: Two people who agree on politics right now,
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SPEAKER_01: no matter what side they're on,
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SPEAKER_01: I feel like that's just going down a dark place no matter what.
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SPEAKER_01: And The Simpsons, at least, is just fun.
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yeah oh yeah well you could do both because the simpsons skewed
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both parties you
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know when they had they had an episode where they had like uh
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republicans were like
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something like republicans were just plain evil and democrats
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we just can't govern
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you know they do both like so you could you could meld the two
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together if you
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wanted to and they never shied away from it even back in the
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day which was really
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cool um and they never well i guess they maybe kind of took a
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side sometimes but it
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SPEAKER_00: was it was hilarious
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SPEAKER_01: Um,
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SPEAKER_01: how would you feel if,
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SPEAKER_01: if like someone was like,
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SPEAKER_01: Kurt,
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SPEAKER_01: now you,
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SPEAKER_01: you've turned into Homer Simpson.
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SPEAKER_01: You're a dad.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, what would you be like, oh, that's awesome.
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SPEAKER_01: Or would you be kind of going, oh.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know if that was what I intended.
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SPEAKER_00: I think it would depend on the context.
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SPEAKER_00: If it was in my personal health, I would be a little bit worried.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just like he had a triple bypass in his 30s.
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SPEAKER_00: If you turned into Homer Simpson with your drinking and eating habits,
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SPEAKER_00: I'd be like,
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SPEAKER_00: oh,
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SPEAKER_00: shit,
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SPEAKER_00: I should probably reflect on and try to adjust my personal habits.
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SPEAKER_00: But it was just like,
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SPEAKER_00: hey,
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SPEAKER_00: you're like a caring father who,
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SPEAKER_00: even though you're not perfect at everything,
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SPEAKER_00: at least you try it.
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SPEAKER_00: It just depends on the context, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Which I guess if somebody said you're just like Barney Gumbel,
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SPEAKER_00: that would be a clearer,
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SPEAKER_00: you know?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Clearly got a problem, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I feel like as a middle-aged dad, I feel like I have a lot of...
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SPEAKER_01: Chevy chase in the vacation movies moments where you're like,
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SPEAKER_01: I can't believe I'm doing,
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SPEAKER_01: this is the dumbest thing.
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I look so stupid right now and I'm failing and it's comical how
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bad this is going,
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SPEAKER_01: but I'm the,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: this is where I put myself.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, maybe we all have a little, you get to do one of these though.
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Does somebody get to interview you about your five favorite
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things or at least do
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SPEAKER_00: one of yourself at the end of it?
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SPEAKER_01: I feel like if I make it to a hundred, maybe I'll do that.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe I'll, uh, I'll check back with you.
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SPEAKER_01: You can interview me at 100.
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SPEAKER_01: I would be terrible at it.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't think so.
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SPEAKER_01: You and I have been talking for years.
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SPEAKER_00: I know.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I just have a tendency to talk too much.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's yeah.
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That's a,
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um,
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a lot of podcasts are like that where the host is literally
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just
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wanting to talk and ask guests to come on so they can hear
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themselves talk.
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SPEAKER_01: That said, um,
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SPEAKER_01: The next one on your list is Daft Punk homework.
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SPEAKER_01: And we were saying before I hit record,
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I was saying that I still remember you telling me many years
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ago that seeing Daft
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SPEAKER_01: Punk at Red Rocks was the concert event of your lifetime.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's always stuck with me.
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SPEAKER_01: How did you find Daft Punk when you were a teenager?
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SPEAKER_01: Do you remember?
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SPEAKER_01: Did you see it on MTV?
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SPEAKER_01: Or did somebody give you a record?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Do you remember?
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SPEAKER_00: Shout out to my, shout out to my sister.
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SPEAKER_00: Cause like my sister was four years older than me.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: So we were living in Haver, Montana, which shout out Haver, Montana.
13:31
SPEAKER_00: It's a great place, but it's, let's be honest.
13:33
SPEAKER_00: Like it's, it's five hours from anything resembling a larger city.
13:36
SPEAKER_00: So it's not, it's not something called the High Line.
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It's about an hour from the Canadian border in the middle of
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the high plains.
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SPEAKER_00: If you've ever been there, you know, you can drive through it.
13:44
SPEAKER_00: It's like six blocks, small town.
13:47
SPEAKER_00: You know, a lot of great people, but it's a small town.
13:49
SPEAKER_00: And we had it.
13:51
This is back in the day,
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like,
13:52
you know,
13:53
CDs,
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tapes and CDs in the CD store.
13:55
SPEAKER_00: And they were great.
13:56
SPEAKER_00: They would order whatever you wanted.
13:57
SPEAKER_00: But you could find some stuff on MTV.
13:59
SPEAKER_00: But like finding new music was a struggle.
14:01
SPEAKER_00: Like I remember watching Full Metal Jacket,
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hearing Painted Black by the Rolling Stones and then waiting
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until the end of the
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SPEAKER_00: movie when the credits rolled because I had no idea who sang it.
14:09
SPEAKER_00: And I loved it.
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SPEAKER_00: And I didn't even know it was the Rolling Stones.
14:13
SPEAKER_00: I found it and then I had to go to the CD store to get a Rolling,
14:16
SPEAKER_00: you know,
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like you can't just go to Spotify and like find it or you can't
14:19
use Shazam or
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SPEAKER_00: anything.
14:20
SPEAKER_00: It didn't exist.
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So my sister was older than me and she was way more like in
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tune with just alternative stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: She introduced me.
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SPEAKER_00: She brought me.
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SPEAKER_00: I remember she brought me three CDs when she came to visit me.
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SPEAKER_00: One of them was Daft Punk's Homework.
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The Frogs,
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it's only right in Nashville,
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which you've never listened to that album.
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SPEAKER_00: You absolutely should.
14:40
SPEAKER_00: It was on one of Kurt Cobain's all-time great album lists.
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SPEAKER_00: It should only be listened to, not with children.
14:47
SPEAKER_00: And then she also brought me Tools Anima, Daft Punk Homework.
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I listened to it,
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and I'd seen the music video for Around the World about the
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same time.
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SPEAKER_00: And I had no experience with electronic music.
14:58
SPEAKER_00: I didn't know anything about the rave scene.
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SPEAKER_00: That was all occurring in bigger cities.
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And I listened to it obsessively for like a year and in a town
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like in Havre,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: somebody rolling around listening to Daft Punk was,
15:13
SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: out of the ordinary to say the least.
15:16
SPEAKER_00: But it like opened up a whole,
15:18
SPEAKER_00: I'd say like musical genre that I didn't know I actually really liked.
15:24
SPEAKER_00: And so I was able to go and order a bunch of their,
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like a bunch of their other albums and a whole bunch of their
15:27
other things.
15:28
SPEAKER_00: And there's two, two stories that come out of it.
15:30
SPEAKER_00: So I,
15:34
SPEAKER_00: Back in the day, you had a CD case in your car.
15:38
SPEAKER_00: That CD case,
15:38
SPEAKER_00: when you first met somebody,
15:40
SPEAKER_00: when you got into somebody's car,
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or if you met a significant other or somebody that you were
15:45
interested in,
15:46
SPEAKER_00: the first thing that they would do is they'd go through your CDs.
15:49
SPEAKER_00: It was just sort of like a window
15:51
SPEAKER_00: It's not like they can go through your bookshelf at home.
15:53
SPEAKER_00: I didn't have a bookshelf, really.
15:55
SPEAKER_00: That was anything other than Mad Magazine.
15:56
SPEAKER_00: But, like, they go through your CDs in your car.
15:58
SPEAKER_00: It's like a background check, really.
16:01
SPEAKER_00: Right?
16:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
16:02
SPEAKER_00: It's like a background check.
16:03
SPEAKER_00: And,
16:04
SPEAKER_00: you know,
16:04
SPEAKER_00: you could go through it and just be like,
16:05
SPEAKER_00: oh,
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SPEAKER_00: it's all ACDC and Limp Bizkit,
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SPEAKER_00: which in Haver at the time was about,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: 90% of the people.
16:11
SPEAKER_00: Um,
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SPEAKER_00: and,
16:12
SPEAKER_00: uh,
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SPEAKER_00: but,
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SPEAKER_00: uh,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: when I first met the,
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SPEAKER_00: my girlfriend in high school time,
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SPEAKER_00: who's now my wife,
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SPEAKER_00: like one of the,
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SPEAKER_00: she,
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SPEAKER_00: it was like the Kung Fu moment.
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And,
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you know,
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um,
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and,
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uh,
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um,
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the Mike,
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uh,
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what's the Mike judge movie office space.
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SPEAKER_00: like where, you know, she like, he meets Jennifer Anderson.
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SPEAKER_00: He's like, you, I love Kung Fu, you know?
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SPEAKER_00: And that was like their bonding moment.
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Like she was like probably the only other person to have her
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Montana that had Daft
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SPEAKER_00: Punk's homework CD.
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SPEAKER_00: And that was like, thing was like, Oh, I think I like you, you know?
16:47
SPEAKER_00: And, uh, there was that.
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And then it opened up this whole other world of music that I
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didn't know existed.
16:52
SPEAKER_00: This, this like whole things like, Oh wow.
16:54
People get together in warehouses and do drugs and dance to
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this all night.
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SPEAKER_00: That sounds amazing.
16:58
SPEAKER_00: You know, it was just like, it was like,
17:01
SPEAKER_00: It was a big impetus for me wanting to get out of Havre,
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like to get out and go do something else and go see different
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parts of the world
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SPEAKER_00: and maybe not work and live on a ranch or a farm.
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SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I don't now, obviously.
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SPEAKER_00: So it was a big influence.
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And then when I was in grad school in Golden,
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then I was living with my wife.
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SPEAKER_00: Daft Punk was it was like a live tour in 2007.
17:26
SPEAKER_00: and they were going to Red Rocks.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'd been to Red Rocks one time before,
17:31
SPEAKER_00: and this was about the time,
17:32
SPEAKER_00: like electronic music,
17:33
SPEAKER_00: going to go see electronic shows used to kind of suck,
17:35
SPEAKER_00: right?
17:35
SPEAKER_00: It would just be a guy with turntables and a laptop.
17:39
SPEAKER_00: It'd be cool if you were like dancing and stuff,
17:41
SPEAKER_00: or if you were,
17:42
SPEAKER_00: you know,
17:43
SPEAKER_00: taking either recreational substances or drinking,
17:46
SPEAKER_00: right?
17:46
You could have a good time,
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but it was nothing really to write home about.
17:49
SPEAKER_00: And I didn't really know what to expect when we went to go see Daft Punk,
17:51
SPEAKER_00: except,
17:52
SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: they dressed up as robots.
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And so I remember I had a buddy of mine in town from
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Connecticut would not go to
17:59
SPEAKER_00: the Daft Punk concert.
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SPEAKER_00: He's like, I'm not an electronic music fan.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm like, listen, dude, like, let me buy you.
18:05
SPEAKER_00: I'll buy you the ticket.
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SPEAKER_00: And this is this is the part that blows my mind.
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SPEAKER_00: Daft Punk Red Rocks.
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SPEAKER_00: If you did that today.
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Good,
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good fucking luck ever getting tickets like you would just not
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have.
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SPEAKER_00: I bought tickets to that concert the day before it wasn't even sold out.
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SPEAKER_00: My buddy, Matt, I know I couldn't believe it.
18:23
SPEAKER_00: And like, um, I, uh, we got there, got to the concert.
18:29
SPEAKER_00: Um, they had an opening acts were crazy.
18:31
SPEAKER_00: So there was four of us.
18:32
SPEAKER_00: And then,
18:33
SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: uh,
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SPEAKER_00: at red rocks at the time,
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SPEAKER_00: um,
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SPEAKER_00: he couldn't bring,
18:37
SPEAKER_00: he couldn't,
18:38
SPEAKER_00: I don't think he could bring alcohol into red rocks at the time.
18:41
SPEAKER_00: Um,
18:41
SPEAKER_00: so I'd managed to sneak in like a bunch of liquor and Ziploc bags,
18:44
SPEAKER_00: which is a different story.
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Uh,
18:46
but anyway,
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long story short is we had been,
18:48
we'd had a couple of drinks.
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SPEAKER_00: We were having a really great time and I didn't know what to expect.
18:53
I'd seen some photos about the setup that they were using and
18:56
they basically come
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out with this giant triangle and it was this massive like
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production light show
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slash visual experience that I've read in the past is now like
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the standard for
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SPEAKER_00: most electronic music shows.
19:07
SPEAKER_00: They were the first ones that would ever turn like DJing into
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SPEAKER_00: something a lot bigger, right?
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And if you look at a lot of people that followed after them,
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it came out of that.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I remember at the time being like,
19:17
SPEAKER_00: oh,
19:17
we should probably go because we don't know when we're going to
19:19
be able to see them
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SPEAKER_00: again.
19:20
SPEAKER_00: And the thing is, is that was really their last tour, right?
19:24
They did a couple of sets of Coachella when Random Access
19:26
Memories came out and
19:27
SPEAKER_00: then they broke up.
19:28
SPEAKER_00: They got older, they broke up.
19:29
SPEAKER_00: And they were in their like 30s or 40s at the time.
19:32
SPEAKER_00: And so a couple of things, like, I think that was like, I remember...
19:38
SPEAKER_00: seeing it at the time and being like, oh man, that was amazing.
19:40
SPEAKER_00: And I don't know if anybody else has ever had it where like,
19:43
SPEAKER_00: where you're in the middle of a moment and you're like,
19:45
SPEAKER_00: man,
19:45
SPEAKER_00: this might be the happiest I've ever been.
19:47
SPEAKER_00: Like I had that at that concert.
19:49
SPEAKER_00: It was really great.
19:50
And it converted like one of my friends who was not an
19:53
electronic music fan into a
19:54
SPEAKER_00: huge electronic music fan.
19:56
SPEAKER_00: It was like,
19:58
SPEAKER_00: Before like,
19:58
SPEAKER_00: because now my wife and I got married,
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SPEAKER_00: it was like a really formative part of our relationship.
20:02
SPEAKER_00: And then looking back on it,
20:05
SPEAKER_00: it's like,
20:05
SPEAKER_00: I didn't realize at the time that that was my last chance to ever see me.
20:09
SPEAKER_00: And so looking back on it in post,
20:11
SPEAKER_00: it was like,
20:12
SPEAKER_00: whenever something comes up now where I'm like waffling about,
20:15
SPEAKER_00: well,
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SPEAKER_00: maybe I should,
20:16
SPEAKER_00: I don't,
20:16
SPEAKER_00: I,
20:16
SPEAKER_00: you know,
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I don't know,
20:18
buying tickets to go see Radiohead is kind of a pain in the
20:21
ass.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I want to do it.
20:22
SPEAKER_00: I'm very much like now,
20:23
SPEAKER_00: like,
20:23
SPEAKER_00: I don't know,
20:23
SPEAKER_00: this might be the last time either,
20:25
SPEAKER_00: you know,
20:25
SPEAKER_00: I might get sick or something might happen to me or they might break up.
20:29
So it's caused that experience alone caused me to like reassess
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how I view doing
20:36
SPEAKER_00: things,
20:37
SPEAKER_00: whether it's with friends,
20:38
SPEAKER_00: like going on a ski trip or like going,
20:40
SPEAKER_00: you know,
20:40
SPEAKER_00: to meet a friend somewhere else that sends somebody a text.
20:44
SPEAKER_00: It and it was funny because it was like I knew it at the time.
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And then like in the long the longer arc of time,
20:49
I was like,
20:49
man,
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oh,
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crap.
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SPEAKER_00: Like what?
20:51
SPEAKER_00: We're lucky to go see that.
20:52
SPEAKER_00: And so.
20:54
SPEAKER_00: It took a while afterwards,
20:55
SPEAKER_00: but I was like,
20:56
it changed a lot of like how I choose to experience life
20:59
instead of just like
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SPEAKER_00: deferring things or not doing them.
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SPEAKER_00: I very much will go and do them now.
21:05
SPEAKER_00: I'm like almost to the point where.
21:08
SPEAKER_00: It's maybe a little bit harder in my bank account than it should be.
21:10
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
21:11
SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah.
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But that's like,
21:13
I was thinking about it when you asked me the question about
21:16
creative works.
21:16
SPEAKER_00: It was like,
21:17
SPEAKER_00: man,
21:17
Daft Punk's homework like set off the string of events like
21:20
where I met my wife,
21:20
SPEAKER_00: like one of the best concerts I've ever seen.
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And like the string through to like how I actually say yes or
21:27
no to things is really weird.
21:28
SPEAKER_00: But it kind of goes back to that.
21:32
SPEAKER_01: it's super huge too.
21:33
SPEAKER_01: And it's like,
21:33
SPEAKER_01: um,
21:34
SPEAKER_01: you know,
21:34
SPEAKER_01: I think a lot of it,
21:35
SPEAKER_01: like music you experience in your teens is like very solitary sometimes,
21:39
SPEAKER_01: which is like,
21:40
SPEAKER_01: this is my album that I listened to in my bedroom or whatever.
21:43
SPEAKER_01: And like,
21:44
SPEAKER_01: it's all the emotions I'm going through in private,
21:47
SPEAKER_01: you know,
21:47
SPEAKER_01: growing up and as a teenager,
21:48
but then to also have it be this link between you and Brittany
21:51
and then you get
21:53
SPEAKER_01: married and then you still,
21:54
SPEAKER_01: and then like to have it deliver as a live show,
21:58
SPEAKER_01: um,
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, when you're like, that's, that's wow.
22:01
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
22:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:03
SPEAKER_00: Like it could go the other way.
22:04
SPEAKER_00: Like I saw the beastie boys at rocks.
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SPEAKER_00: It was awful.
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SPEAKER_00: Like it was, it was bad.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: I love the beastie boys,
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SPEAKER_00: but they were just off and it sucked and whatever,
22:12
SPEAKER_00: you know,
22:12
SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: and it could go the other way,
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SPEAKER_00: but that one was like single-handedly incredible.
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It was also just the collision of like all the culture that I'd
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sort of seen and
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SPEAKER_00: read about,
22:20
SPEAKER_00: like writ large,
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SPEAKER_00: like you had all these great,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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I remember watching this woman and like the highest heels I'd
22:28
ever seen in my life.
22:29
SPEAKER_00: They were solid, like it must have been eight inches tall.
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And to see a person like that with glow sticks wrapped around
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them trying to
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SPEAKER_00: navigate the stairs at Red Rocks was like incredible.
22:39
SPEAKER_00: And then like, you know, and all the things just like late at night.
22:43
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, it was great.
22:44
SPEAKER_00: It was a super fun time.
22:45
SPEAKER_00: And if they ever came out again,
22:47
SPEAKER_00: if they ever went around and did a reunion tour or something like that,
22:50
SPEAKER_00: I would probably fly halfway around the world to go see it.
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yeah and then maybe be let down by it but that's not the point
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i know right yeah
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that's that's a risk for sure there yeah uh next on your list
23:04
zen and the art of
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motorcycle maintenance by robert w persig the book um i also
23:10
read that in my 20s
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but before i met before i met you did i we talked about it
23:15
because i was taking it
23:16
in a philosophy class i remember we chatted about cigarettes at
23:19
dixie's one time
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
23:21
SPEAKER_01: That place isn't there anymore.
23:22
SPEAKER_00: I know.
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SPEAKER_01: You can still smell it.
23:26
SPEAKER_01: So this is a college class.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Philosophy was an elective maybe in your geology degree.
23:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
23:35
SPEAKER_00: So I, you know, I chose a path that was like, you know, all science.
23:39
SPEAKER_00: Right.
23:40
And we had to take electives because at a liberal arts college
23:43
and in most colleges you have to.
23:44
And I'm a big supporter of that because it exposes you to
23:48
different stuff.
23:49
SPEAKER_00: Right.
23:49
SPEAKER_00: Different ways of thinking.
23:50
SPEAKER_00: Right.
23:51
SPEAKER_00: I took a philosophy class.
23:52
SPEAKER_00: I can't remember the name of the teacher.
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SPEAKER_00: He was excellent.
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And Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance was one of those
24:01
books that when you
24:02
SPEAKER_00: read it yourself,
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SPEAKER_00: I think it hits pretty hard.
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But when you have someone to help kind of guide you through
24:08
some of those things
24:09
SPEAKER_00: and broader topics that like...
24:12
SPEAKER_00: it makes it a lot more impactful.
24:14
SPEAKER_00: You know, I think you can overanalyze books a lot.
24:16
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, it's possible.
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SPEAKER_00: I've been in English-led classes where,
24:19
SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: I think Hemingway made a joke about,
24:22
SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: there's nothing more to The Old Man in the Sea than,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: reading too much into it.
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I think,
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I can't remember the quote,
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but with Pershing's books,
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it was dense.
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SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of things you can read about it.
24:31
SPEAKER_00: And I just...
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SPEAKER_00: I remember it was sort of this,
24:35
SPEAKER_00: if you've never read it,
24:36
it's about this guy taking a motorcycle trip across the country
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with this kid.
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And it sort of deviates from the actual practicalities of
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traveling and where they're going.
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SPEAKER_00: And then into some of these meditations on,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: philosophy and meaning of life and all these other things.
24:50
SPEAKER_00: And it's like a deep, really incredible...
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I think it's like a really touching book and the only book I
24:57
ever regret giving away.
24:58
SPEAKER_00: And I got this from you.
24:59
SPEAKER_00: You're like, it was really great books.
25:01
SPEAKER_00: I give them away because they're meant to be shared.
25:04
SPEAKER_00: And I,
25:04
SPEAKER_00: the version that I have that had all my notes and my highlights in it,
25:07
SPEAKER_00: I gave it away and I never got it back.
25:09
SPEAKER_00: And that was a huge fuck up.
25:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know.
25:11
SPEAKER_00: I've got it.
25:12
SPEAKER_00: I got it.
25:12
SPEAKER_00: I bought, I bought another copy of it.
25:14
SPEAKER_00: I tried to recreate it, but like I lost it all.
25:17
SPEAKER_00: But yeah,
25:18
SPEAKER_00: it was really formative in that,
25:19
like it was one of the first philosophy books that I ever felt
25:22
compelled to talk to
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SPEAKER_00: somebody about.
25:23
SPEAKER_00: I think it was with you a couple of times, a few other people.
25:26
SPEAKER_00: And then also the guy,
25:28
SPEAKER_00: you know,
25:28
SPEAKER_00: has struggled,
25:30
I think relatively mightily with like mental illness and how
25:33
that impacted his
25:33
SPEAKER_00: career and like how he'd sort of woven it into this journey with his kit.
25:38
SPEAKER_00: And, uh, yeah.
25:40
SPEAKER_00: And I, it just, it was one of those books that, uh,
25:45
SPEAKER_00: Like how,
25:46
SPEAKER_00: yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: I mean,
25:46
SPEAKER_00: somebody had the idea to like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: to write it,
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SPEAKER_00: share it with people and become such a huge thing.
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And it's just like,
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I don't think it's,
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in certain circles,
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it's like a literary masterpiece.
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SPEAKER_00: It's huge.
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And I don't think it's as appreciated,
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maybe as widespread as it used to be,
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which is a shame.
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SPEAKER_00: But yeah, when you sent this to me, it was the first philosophy book.
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SPEAKER_00: It was like the first college class I ever took where I was like,
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SPEAKER_00: I get why liberal arts is a thing of why people should
26:13
SPEAKER_00: Because I'm not a philosopher.
26:15
SPEAKER_00: I deal in numbers and math and physics and rocks.
26:21
SPEAKER_00: But there's an art to science.
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And there's different things that come about from changing the
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way that you think
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SPEAKER_00: and how you come up problems.
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And having different exposures to different points of view or
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critical thought,
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SPEAKER_00: whether it's literary,
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SPEAKER_00: musical,
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SPEAKER_00: political...
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is healthy,
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because being myopically focused on any one thing is incredibly
26:45
unhealthy.
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But I still take umbrage with the University of Montana for
26:49
making me take a dance
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SPEAKER_00: class my last year of school because I didn't have enough art credits.
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SPEAKER_00: And I got a B. I got a B, Brandon.
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And I got asked about it at job interviews for highly technical
27:01
science positions as a job.
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SPEAKER_00: They're like, I see you got a B in interpretive dance.
27:05
SPEAKER_00: Would you like to tell me about that?
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SPEAKER_00: And my answer is always, no, I would not.
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SPEAKER_01: You're just like, that's not reflective of my skill as a dancer now.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was my skill as a dancer or a person now.
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SPEAKER_01: That's amazing.
27:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
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Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance famously was rejected
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like over a hundred
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SPEAKER_01: times by publishers and then became this like mega bestselling book.
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I think actually partly due to the fact that the discussion of
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quality in the book is like...
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When I when I was carrying it around campus,
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I was like studying to get a marketing degree.
27:41
SPEAKER_01: So I was in the business school all the time and people would be like,
27:43
SPEAKER_01: oh,
27:43
SPEAKER_01: yeah,
27:44
SPEAKER_01: I want to say it was like operations management class.
27:47
SPEAKER_01: They read that or something like that.
27:49
You know,
27:49
so it was known in the business school,
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but I was just reading it for fun.
27:53
And then years later,
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I was riding with a friend of mine who's a cyclist and a
27:58
writer.
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SPEAKER_01: and we're just pedaling along.
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SPEAKER_01: Maynard,
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SPEAKER_01: he was in his 60s then,
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SPEAKER_01: and he's like a bit of a curmudgeon,
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SPEAKER_01: but I looked over at him and was like,
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SPEAKER_01: yeah,
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SPEAKER_01: it's like in the book,
28:06
SPEAKER_01: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance,
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SPEAKER_01: and he just looks at me and goes,
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SPEAKER_01: unreadable.
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But if you look at,
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like,
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Goodreads,
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there's a lot of people who hate that book.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
28:19
SPEAKER_00: No, it's highly advice.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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It's like,
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I view it sort of akin,
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not in size,
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but sort of themed to Infinite Jest.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay, yeah.
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Like,
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if you've ever read David Foster Wallace's,
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I'd say,
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seminal classic Infinite Jest.
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SPEAKER_00: You know how many pages it took me to get into that book?
28:33
SPEAKER_00: It took me about the length of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.
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And then the last 600 pages were great,
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but the first 400 were a real bastard.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, like...
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I made a pact with myself because I was reading it when Britt
28:46
was pregnant with her daughter.
28:47
SPEAKER_00: I was like, I'm going to finish this before I was born.
28:51
SPEAKER_00: It literally took me nine months.
28:54
SPEAKER_00: It was one of those ones where you have to stick with it.
28:57
SPEAKER_00: I could see why people call it unreadable.
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SPEAKER_00: With any creative thing,
29:03
SPEAKER_00: to go back to what you were asking me about,
29:06
SPEAKER_00: Rick Rubin has a bunch of stuff.
29:08
SPEAKER_00: You don't make it for somebody else, you make it for yourself.
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SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I don't know if Percy, like, wrote it for himself.
29:14
SPEAKER_00: I think it was.
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SPEAKER_00: It was like a meditation for himself, right?
29:19
SPEAKER_00: And obviously it had things for other people.
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SPEAKER_00: But I think that that's the beautiful part about it.
29:26
It was like this guy's motorcycle trip and his view on
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philosophy and how so many
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SPEAKER_00: other people resonated with.
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SPEAKER_00: That's a beautiful thing.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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um next one on your list um also a literary classic a coconut
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named bob oh i love
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it i know um i put that one in there just for you because like
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it's a book i was
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actually it's a book recommendation uh we don't we don't have
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that one yeah i would
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SPEAKER_00: highly suggest it like we got it somebody it's very tropically themed
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SPEAKER_00: it's called the coconut named Bob.
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SPEAKER_00: And it was just like, it was my thirties.
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Like I had,
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we had our daughter and like,
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so we were reading to her constantly.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
30:09
SPEAKER_00: And you just sort of, you burn through kids books.
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Like,
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you know,
30:12
you can get through them and,
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uh,
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God,
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like we were,
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got it.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was reading through it and it was just like, so simple.
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SPEAKER_00: Um,
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SPEAKER_00: But like every time I read it, I'd always like kind of like choke up.
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SPEAKER_00: It was just so heartbreaking.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm like, my God, why is that?
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know why it was.
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SPEAKER_00: It was literally a story about this little lonely kid.
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SPEAKER_00: who lives in a tropical place.
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SPEAKER_00: And you don't know where it is.
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SPEAKER_00: It's implied it could be like Hawaii or something.
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SPEAKER_00: And family's really poor and he's super lonely.
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So his dad's a fisherman and he befriends this coconut that
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they find floating in
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SPEAKER_00: the ocean,
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SPEAKER_00: just like a coconut.
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SPEAKER_00: He puts a face on it.
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And one night there's a big storm and the coconut falls off the
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boat,
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floats away.
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SPEAKER_00: The kid's devastated, right?
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And then it takes the perspective of the actual coconut
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floating to a beach and
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SPEAKER_00: turning into a coconut tree.
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SPEAKER_00: And like the whole time it's turning into a tree,
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SPEAKER_00: like decades pass and this coconut's just sitting there missing the kid,
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SPEAKER_00: you know?
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SPEAKER_00: And then like at the end of the book is like this old man,
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like a boat shows up at the island and this old man and his
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grandkids show up.
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end it's bob and the tree realizes it's like it's bob i don't
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want to ruin this
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spoiler for you just in case you get but uh and it's just like
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you know kid walks
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up to the tree puts his hand on and it's now an old man and he
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just says hi bob how
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have you been you know and like it's this um it's this story
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about sort of like
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know,
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SPEAKER_00: connections and longing and like,
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SPEAKER_00: it was like kind of like the giving tree,
31:43
SPEAKER_00: but I,
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know why,
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SPEAKER_00: but I still think about it.
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And every time I read it,
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every single time it like gets me,
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I don't know why.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's just like,
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SPEAKER_00: it was to me,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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it's like such a simple piece of creativity that they can tell
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you can do a lot
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SPEAKER_00: with a little bit,
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SPEAKER_00: I guess.
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SPEAKER_00: And it stuck with me more than my daughter.
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SPEAKER_00: My daughter doesn't remember it, but it stuck with me.
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SPEAKER_00: And it was a big part of like me being a dad, I guess.
32:06
SPEAKER_01: We have,
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SPEAKER_01: we have the exact same,
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SPEAKER_01: I have the exact same relationship with a book that Jade is like totally
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SPEAKER_01: indifferent to,
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SPEAKER_01: but it's like,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm like,
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SPEAKER_01: this one's dad's favorite.
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SPEAKER_01: We're reading it tonight.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, you got four other books.
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SPEAKER_01: This one's dad's.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
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that was the first thing I thought of was a Castaway and Tom
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Hanks and Wilson,
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SPEAKER_01: the volleyball.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's exactly what it was.
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SPEAKER_00: And maybe maybe it was like a play on that.
32:29
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: But it's like it would be the same as if Tom Hanks,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: in Castaway went back to the island and ran into Wilson and,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: Wilson had missed him or something like that.
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SPEAKER_00: If you were able to view the world through a volleyball.
32:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:41
SPEAKER_01: But also I was like,
32:43
SPEAKER_01: before you said the giving tree,
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SPEAKER_01: I was like,
32:44
SPEAKER_01: yeah,
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SPEAKER_01: it's like the giving tree,
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SPEAKER_01: but like,
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SPEAKER_01: uh,
32:47
SPEAKER_01: not as dark and hopeless.
32:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:49
SPEAKER_00: Not as morbid where the tree just members itself and the kids selfish.
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SPEAKER_00: I think like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
32:54
SPEAKER_00: I,
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SPEAKER_00: I viewed it as like,
32:56
SPEAKER_00: uh,
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SPEAKER_00: so for the things that you,
32:59
SPEAKER_00: I mean,
32:59
SPEAKER_00: I,
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SPEAKER_00: I listened to music constantly.
33:01
SPEAKER_00: Like I,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
33:02
SPEAKER_00: you watch movies all the time,
33:03
SPEAKER_00: but it's like,
33:04
SPEAKER_00: I think when you'd suggest the things to kind of broaden it down,
33:07
SPEAKER_00: you do it and you,
33:08
SPEAKER_00: you broke it up into decades and,
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SPEAKER_00: um,
33:10
SPEAKER_00: My thirties were characterized by like,
33:12
SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: being a dad and all the things that come with that.
33:16
SPEAKER_00: And one of the cool things,
33:17
SPEAKER_00: and to be,
33:18
SPEAKER_00: go back to like Zen and the art of motorcycle,
33:19
SPEAKER_00: I mean,
33:20
SPEAKER_00: it's like one of the cool things about being,
33:21
about having a kid that I didn't know or maybe I didn't take it
33:27
for granted was
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: they force you to like view the world through their eyes.
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And it's like the Buddhist mentality of like viewing the world
33:35
through the eyes of
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SPEAKER_00: a child because it's innocent and you know,
33:37
SPEAKER_00: everything's beautiful and cool.
33:38
SPEAKER_00: And that's fantastic.
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SPEAKER_00: Like that's one of the best things about it.
33:42
SPEAKER_00: And yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: I guess like that was me being a kid with a coconut named Bob,
33:45
SPEAKER_00: which was,
33:46
SPEAKER_00: I don't know,
33:46
SPEAKER_00: stuck with me.
33:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:49
SPEAKER_01: It's a hard thing to do.
33:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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for sure and you're surf you like you're sifting through a lot
33:56
of not as quality
33:57
kids books and like i find myself like i don't know like you
34:01
want to read that one
34:02
ah i like the plot's super thin buddy it's like yeah i don't
34:06
think i think you're
34:06
too old you know like there's no tension nobody learns anything
34:11
about themselves
34:11
SPEAKER_00: come on that's right you know that's right um yeah it's not emotionally
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SPEAKER_00: gut-wrenching right before bed what are you doing you know yeah yeah
34:20
SPEAKER_01: Um, so do you still have a copy of a coconut named Bob?
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SPEAKER_00: I do.
34:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:24
SPEAKER_00: That one's yours.
34:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:26
SPEAKER_00: That one's mine.
34:27
SPEAKER_00: I like care less.
34:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:28
SPEAKER_00: That one's fine.
34:30
SPEAKER_00: That's good.
34:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:32
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
34:33
SPEAKER_01: Last one on the list is we're letting you get away with both of these.
34:38
It's two,
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two different things,
34:39
but we'll,
34:40
we'll go ahead and let that,
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let that slide.
34:42
SPEAKER_01: It's Dune, the book and the movie.
34:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:46
SPEAKER_01: Um,
34:46
SPEAKER_01: What order did you experience the book and the movie?
34:51
SPEAKER_00: So I read the book when I was in high school.
34:53
SPEAKER_00: I loved it.
34:54
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
34:54
And then I made the mistake of watching the David Lynch version
35:00
of Dune where I was
35:01
SPEAKER_00: just like,
35:02
SPEAKER_00: it had spoiled me on like sort of these sci-fi epics.
35:06
SPEAKER_00: And like watching because I read the book like that's amazing.
35:08
SPEAKER_00: And then I watched like David Lynch is like, holy God, that was terrible.
35:12
SPEAKER_00: And there are people that loved it.
35:13
SPEAKER_00: It was not for me.
35:14
SPEAKER_00: I was younger.
35:15
SPEAKER_00: Right.
35:15
And there are people that it's become,
35:17
I think,
35:17
a classic in its own right to a degree.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was a huge fan of the book.
35:22
And so when the when the new movies came out,
35:25
I was equally excited slash sort of horrified.
35:27
But I was excited by who I concentrated on music and books for
35:31
the other stuff.
35:32
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I love movies.
35:33
SPEAKER_00: They're like an escape.
35:35
SPEAKER_00: in so many different ways.
35:36
SPEAKER_00: But,
35:36
SPEAKER_00: like,
35:38
SPEAKER_00: Denis Villeneuve,
35:38
SPEAKER_00: I think I'm saying that correctly,
35:40
SPEAKER_00: like,
35:40
SPEAKER_00: one of my favorite directors,
35:41
SPEAKER_00: like,
35:42
SPEAKER_00: Blade Runner 2049 was absolutely incredible.
35:44
SPEAKER_00: Because I was not really a Blade Runner fan.
35:46
SPEAKER_00: Blade Runner 2049, I was like, holy shit.
35:48
SPEAKER_00: Like, there's so much more to this story.
35:50
SPEAKER_00: It's incredible, you know?
35:52
SPEAKER_00: And then when he was taking over Dune, I'm like, okay, that's awesome.
35:56
SPEAKER_00: And I didn't see it in the theaters.
35:58
SPEAKER_00: And I don't know why.
35:59
SPEAKER_00: I watched it on a plane.
36:02
SPEAKER_00: So I was flying for work.
36:03
SPEAKER_00: I watched it on a plane.
36:04
SPEAKER_00: I know.
36:05
SPEAKER_00: I know.
36:06
SPEAKER_00: Watched it on a plane.
36:07
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, that's incredible.
36:08
SPEAKER_00: I watched it twice.
36:09
SPEAKER_00: And then I bought it when I got to where I was going.
36:11
SPEAKER_00: And I watched it again on the way home.
36:14
And my daughter was old enough at the time and she watched it
36:18
and she became obsessed with it.
36:19
SPEAKER_00: So like when this was during COVID, I think, and then Dune 2 got delayed.
36:22
SPEAKER_00: Right.
36:23
SPEAKER_00: And so when Dune 2 came out,
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it was like the first time that like I had ever shared that
36:29
excitement with like,
36:31
SPEAKER_00: you know,
36:31
SPEAKER_00: my kid.
36:32
SPEAKER_00: And it was awesome.
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SPEAKER_00: And we got to go watch it together in the theater.
36:37
which i had had some other parents go and watch it and tell us
36:40
it was like a little
36:41
dark but probably okay for her age and um and then she's going
36:45
to experience it the
36:46
other way where she's going to see the movie and now she's
36:48
reading the book going
36:49
she is reading the book she's going to yeah it's it's like and
36:53
it's tough to get
36:53
into but like it's like now you're going to see it in the
36:55
opposite sense because
36:56
SPEAKER_00: like before you have all this stuff you make it up in your head right
37:01
And I had the same thing where I watched the Lord of the Rings
37:06
movies and then read the books.
37:09
SPEAKER_00: I was never exposed to Tolkien when I was a kid.
37:12
SPEAKER_00: And it changes your perception of it.
37:13
SPEAKER_00: And that's interesting.
37:14
SPEAKER_00: So it allowed me to have a conversation with my daughter.
37:19
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, to be honest with B, because she'd never read the books.
37:23
SPEAKER_00: Because that's set.
37:24
SPEAKER_00: It's set now, right?
37:25
SPEAKER_00: Paul Atreides will probably forever be Timothee Chalamet,
37:28
SPEAKER_00: at least,
37:28
SPEAKER_00: or some version of that in your head.
37:30
SPEAKER_00: Whereas when you do it before, it's something totally different.
37:32
SPEAKER_00: And then you get in the conversation about like how,
37:35
SPEAKER_00: you know,
37:36
everybody had to make a choice about how you represent these
37:38
things and then how
37:39
SPEAKER_00: those stick with you after you see it.
37:41
SPEAKER_00: So I never really knew like that when I was younger.
37:47
And so to have that,
37:49
the two,
37:49
it's like,
37:49
it's like the Harry Potter books.
37:50
SPEAKER_00: You could watch,
37:51
SPEAKER_00: you could read the Harry Potter books,
37:52
you make it up in your head and then you go watch the movie or
37:54
watch the movie and
37:55
SPEAKER_00: you read the books.
37:57
SPEAKER_00: Which do you prefer?
37:59
I always prefer the former where it's like you read the book
38:01
first and then you see
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SPEAKER_00: somebody else's interpretation.
38:03
SPEAKER_00: It's like, well, that's not the way I would have went.
38:08
I didn't think Baron Harkin didn't look like Stalin's Skarsgård
38:10
in my head.
38:11
I don't know if that's just the way I look at it or if that's
38:15
the way other people look at it.
38:16
That was a huge learning for me and something I was able to
38:19
pass on to my daughter.
38:20
SPEAKER_00: I was like, be careful about how you ingest media.
38:22
Like,
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you know,
38:23
because if this is like,
38:25
let's look at video games versus movies.
38:27
So there's a whole bunch of like we've Hollywood has started
38:29
mining video games for
38:32
SPEAKER_00: movies now,
38:32
SPEAKER_00: right?
38:33
SPEAKER_00: Like Last of Us, Fallout, you know, whatever.
38:38
You want to play the game first or do you want to have the
38:41
movie tell you what the
38:42
SPEAKER_00: game is supposed to tell you and do it the other way around,
38:44
SPEAKER_00: you know?
38:45
SPEAKER_00: And I don't know if that's a recent, I think it's more recent.
38:48
SPEAKER_00: I think in the past,
38:49
SPEAKER_00: like book adaptations that go to movies and stuff,
38:51
but I was actually able to like have a conversation with my
38:54
family about it.
38:55
SPEAKER_00: Like get into like a deep philosophical conversation.
38:57
SPEAKER_00: There's no right way,
39:00
but do you want to imagine something yourself or have someone
39:02
imagine it for you?
39:04
SPEAKER_01: What's more fun to you?
39:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
39:06
SPEAKER_00: Right.
39:07
SPEAKER_01: I know.
39:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: What did,
39:09
SPEAKER_01: do you remember some of the,
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SPEAKER_01: some of the things I was said about the movie after,
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SPEAKER_01: after watching it?
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SPEAKER_00: I think a lot of it was around like just the feeling created, you know?
39:24
SPEAKER_00: Obviously, like it was really well done.
39:26
SPEAKER_00: The way that they did the tech was really cool.
39:28
SPEAKER_00: And we talked about pace a lot.
39:30
SPEAKER_00: You know,
39:31
SPEAKER_00: the pace of,
39:33
SPEAKER_00: if you've seen Dune 1,
39:35
SPEAKER_00: the pace of Dune 1 and the pace of Dune 2 are totally different.
39:39
Pacing in movies is a huge thing for me because you watch the
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movie Alien and it's
39:43
SPEAKER_00: just like the tension and the slow build of it are part of the horror.
39:46
SPEAKER_00: And as society is advanced, if you look at Marvel movies or you look at
39:51
SPEAKER_00: any sort of newer media, the pace of it is just exhausting.
39:54
Like you can roll through what used to be six movies in an hour
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or two,
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right?
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SPEAKER_00: So like Dune 1 felt like that old throwback.
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And it was funny because Dune 1 was less popular because
40:05
everybody's like,
40:06
SPEAKER_00: oh,
40:06
SPEAKER_00: it moves too slow.
40:07
SPEAKER_00: It's like,
40:07
SPEAKER_00: yeah,
40:07
it moves slow because it was like building the story behind
40:10
like what's happening.
40:11
SPEAKER_00: And then Dune 2 moved a lot quicker.
40:14
SPEAKER_00: And so I think a lot of it was sort of around –
40:19
just like some of the technology and the implication of some of
40:21
the things and then
40:23
just the use of like you know the broader implications of like
40:27
you know is it right
40:28
or wrong to have one group of people roll over another and you
40:34
know is in the end
40:35
what paul's doing actually correct or wrong right and the moral
40:38
implications of it
40:40
SPEAKER_00: outside of just the aesthetic and that's
40:44
SPEAKER_00: I think a better way, actually with kids, I think it's more effective.
40:47
SPEAKER_00: Like if you got them in the right direction of like,
40:50
SPEAKER_00: Hey,
40:50
SPEAKER_00: you know,
40:52
SPEAKER_00: should one person be able to rule over all these people?
40:54
And then like,
40:54
you know,
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get them all killed in like a,
40:56
like a holy war set them free.
41:00
SPEAKER_00: You know, like those are pretty heady questions.
41:01
It's just like,
41:02
it's hard to like contextualize those esoterically as a word.
41:06
SPEAKER_00: But then when you watch the movie and at the end of it,
41:07
SPEAKER_00: like where they're just,
41:08
SPEAKER_00: you know,
41:09
SPEAKER_00: flying off to,
41:11
SPEAKER_00: go kill a bunch of people.
41:12
SPEAKER_00: It's like, so you think that's right?
41:15
SPEAKER_00: Is there a right answer?
41:16
SPEAKER_00: You know,
41:16
SPEAKER_00: like,
41:17
and for like a 12 year old to think about or to at least ask
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questions about it,
41:21
SPEAKER_00: there's no other way to do it.
41:23
SPEAKER_00: And so it was funny because like she thought about it.
41:25
SPEAKER_00: I think a lot of it was aesthetic,
41:27
SPEAKER_00: but she also asked a bunch of questions sort of around like,
41:29
SPEAKER_00: so why are they doing that?
41:30
SPEAKER_00: You know, like, and it's like, well, why are they doing that?
41:32
SPEAKER_00: Do you think that's right or wrong?
41:35
SPEAKER_00: And you know, there's an age where that becomes appropriate.
41:37
SPEAKER_00: And I think like she's like 11 at the time.
41:40
SPEAKER_00: And maybe a little bit young,
41:42
SPEAKER_00: but in terms of sort of the theme of what I like gave you,
41:48
SPEAKER_00: it was sort of,
41:48
SPEAKER_00: I think a lot of,
41:49
a lot of it was sort of interconnected and it's just like how
41:52
you adjust media,
41:53
how it influences your view of the world and like what the kind
41:55
of questions it
41:56
SPEAKER_00: makes you ask,
41:56
SPEAKER_00: except for Daft Punk.
42:00
SPEAKER_01: Well,
42:01
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
42:02
SPEAKER_01: I think the premise of this entire podcast is like,
42:05
SPEAKER_01: what are we except,
42:07
SPEAKER_01: you know,
42:07
SPEAKER_01: other than like the things,
42:08
SPEAKER_01: a collection of the things we like.
42:11
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I know.
42:11
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
42:11
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
42:12
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
42:13
SPEAKER_00: I mean,
42:13
SPEAKER_00: you think about what defines you as a person like you,
42:16
SPEAKER_00: you know,
42:16
SPEAKER_00: like you're,
42:17
SPEAKER_00: you know,
42:17
SPEAKER_00: your dad,
42:18
SPEAKER_00: your husband,
42:19
SPEAKER_00: you know,
42:19
SPEAKER_00: you're an artist,
42:20
SPEAKER_00: you're a writer,
42:20
SPEAKER_00: you're creative,
42:21
SPEAKER_00: you're an ultra marathoner,
42:22
SPEAKER_00: like you do all these things.
42:24
SPEAKER_00: But on the heart of it,
42:25
SPEAKER_00: you know,
42:25
SPEAKER_00: outside of like,
42:26
SPEAKER_00: you know,
42:27
SPEAKER_00: the essence of who you are and like what you do,
42:29
SPEAKER_00: you're a collection of,
42:31
SPEAKER_00: you know,
42:31
SPEAKER_00: I mean,
42:31
SPEAKER_00: I,
42:33
SPEAKER_00: we all,
42:33
SPEAKER_00: whether we realize it or not,
42:34
we choose the people that we hang out with our friends based on
42:38
their likes and
42:38
SPEAKER_00: dislikes.
42:38
SPEAKER_00: A lot of that's media, right?
42:41
Like you can very quickly bracket people into the things that
42:43
they like and dislike
42:44
SPEAKER_00: about whether or not you'll click with them.
42:46
SPEAKER_00: It's a filter.
42:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
42:48
SPEAKER_00: Now, that's not always true.
42:50
SPEAKER_00: Right.
42:51
SPEAKER_00: And that's like that.
42:52
SPEAKER_00: You could say like, oh, well, you like this musician.
42:54
SPEAKER_00: It's like we're probably like probably don't have a ton of common,
42:56
SPEAKER_00: which is maybe not true,
42:58
SPEAKER_00: but it gets done quite a bit.
43:00
SPEAKER_00: Or at least it used to when I was younger.
43:03
yeah or it's you have to have more data points exactly oh you
43:08
like them but you
43:09
also like this movie that i like so maybe we're cool you know
43:12
yeah yeah yeah like
43:14
yeah but i mean you do you like you click with people or you
43:17
connect with people in
43:19
certain ways with what you are who you are background stuff
43:22
whatever but like media
43:23
SPEAKER_00: is a big part of that right and the things that you like and dislike yeah
43:28
has anything we need to wrap this up but has anything isla has
43:34
brought into your
43:35
life been a surprise that you liked it oh yeah yeah yeah oh man
43:42
okay having you're
43:43
you i don't know you haven't hit this yet but like when
43:46
somebody that's younger
43:46
gets access to like spotify or media and their you know their
43:51
taste goes in a
43:52
different direction like my daughter's amazing in a lot of ways
43:55
but like she
43:58
SPEAKER_00: I don't,
43:58
SPEAKER_00: I don't ever,
43:59
SPEAKER_00: I,
43:59
SPEAKER_00: I,
44:00
SPEAKER_00: it's a constant struggle because they want to share stuff with you,
44:02
SPEAKER_00: but she's,
44:03
SPEAKER_00: there's music that she's put on that I'm just like,
44:05
SPEAKER_00: oh man,
44:05
SPEAKER_00: I never heard of this.
44:06
SPEAKER_00: This is amazing.
44:06
SPEAKER_00: I'll be totally honest.
44:08
SPEAKER_00: Like Charlie SCX, barely ever listened to her.
44:11
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't even on my radar.
44:13
SPEAKER_00: Olivia Rodrigo, same.
44:17
Some of the YouTubers that she watches as a media form,
44:19
I never got really big into YouTube.
44:21
SPEAKER_00: That's her media.
44:23
SPEAKER_00: And you have to watch it like a hog.
44:25
But a lot of the things that she sees and a lot of the way that
44:27
she ingests stuff
44:28
SPEAKER_00: is totally different.
44:30
SPEAKER_00: So I got really into some of the YouTube creators that she watches.
44:33
SPEAKER_00: Twitch streaming, watching somebody play a video game.
44:38
SPEAKER_00: To go back to it,
44:39
SPEAKER_00: like she listened to Brad on repeat and I was just like,
44:41
SPEAKER_00: oh my God,
44:41
SPEAKER_00: this is incredible.
44:42
SPEAKER_00: You know, like Von Dutch, great song.
44:45
SPEAKER_00: We sing along together to Olivia Rodrigo songs.
44:47
SPEAKER_00: I'm not afraid to admit it.
44:48
SPEAKER_00: I will draw the line at like,
44:50
SPEAKER_00: you know,
44:51
SPEAKER_00: some of the,
44:51
SPEAKER_00: it's just like,
44:54
some of these like rapid fire TikTok-esque things are just too
44:57
much for me.
44:59
SPEAKER_00: And then books.
45:00
SPEAKER_01: Dad's got to go sit down.
45:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, dad needs to like, you know, take a break.
45:05
SPEAKER_00: But then like,
45:06
SPEAKER_00: you know,
45:06
SPEAKER_00: I mean,
45:07
SPEAKER_00: for books and stuff too,
45:08
SPEAKER_00: like some of the,
45:08
she's getting to the age now where like some of the books that
45:10
she brings home,
45:11
SPEAKER_00: like she brings,
45:12
SPEAKER_00: she's really into graphic novels.
45:14
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, it's, it's a really, that's the really cool part about it.
45:18
SPEAKER_00: Um,
45:18
SPEAKER_00: and there are some things that she brings home just like,
45:20
SPEAKER_00: I absolutely hate this,
45:21
SPEAKER_00: but that's okay.
45:22
SPEAKER_00: Cause it's, it's, it's, that's what she wants.
45:25
SPEAKER_00: And like,
45:25
SPEAKER_00: that's,
45:26
SPEAKER_00: that's the cool part about it is you get to see somebody,
45:29
SPEAKER_00: she,
45:29
cause we listen to music all the time and she takes some of
45:31
that and she likes it.
45:32
SPEAKER_00: Then she has her own spin on it,
45:34
SPEAKER_00: you know,
45:35
SPEAKER_00: and you'll get that,
45:36
SPEAKER_00: but they'll broaden your horizons if you're open to it.
45:39
SPEAKER_00: Right.
45:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
45:41
SPEAKER_00: You have to be open to it.
45:44
So going back to my earlier comments about going to go see Daft
45:46
Punk and Zen and
45:47
SPEAKER_00: the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance,
45:48
SPEAKER_00: just as long as you're open to new things.
45:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
45:52
SPEAKER_00: I got to ask you that question, though, for you and Jay.
45:55
SPEAKER_00: Has Jay brought you anything?
45:59
SPEAKER_01: I had not seen Frozen, and now he's seen it like 15 times.
46:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
46:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's, like, super obsessed.
46:07
SPEAKER_01: You know,
46:08
SPEAKER_01: Hillary made him a little dress,
46:10
SPEAKER_01: and he's,
46:10
SPEAKER_01: like,
46:10
SPEAKER_01: running around with a sword and a cape and a dress.
46:12
SPEAKER_01: And,
46:13
SPEAKER_01: you know,
46:14
SPEAKER_01: there's,
46:14
SPEAKER_01: of course,
46:14
SPEAKER_01: the societal implications of a little boy wearing a dress and,
46:17
SPEAKER_01: like,
46:18
SPEAKER_01: whatever.
46:18
And you think about that,
46:20
but I'm like,
46:21
the dress makes him feel powerful.
46:22
SPEAKER_01: He's not assigning this to any sort of, like...
46:25
gender thing at all he just like he's like this is what the
46:28
most powerful character
46:30
i know of wears and this is so it's very interesting but uh i i
46:36
didn't know it was
46:37
still gonna be a big thing like 15 years later and here we are
46:41
we're gonna have to
46:41
listen to let it go on repeat for i don't know how long so um
46:45
but yeah now we're
46:47
I've mostly introduced him to music to see if he likes it,
46:51
and that's been really,
46:52
really fun.
46:53
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
46:54
And the cool part about it is that I'll come back to you in
46:56
ways you can't possibly...
46:58
understand when you listen to music when they're that young
47:00
yeah hope so it was
47:02
like isla came to me at one point she she had uh she's just
47:05
like it was just to go
47:07
back to what we're talking about to wrap it up she's like a
47:09
huge daft punk fan now
47:12
and we just played in the background we never played i mean we
47:14
played it for
47:14
explicitly a couple times when she asked us about it but now
47:16
she like absolutely
47:17
loves it and that that was not forced you know so have you told
47:23
her like you
47:23
SPEAKER_01: essentially exist as a human being because of daft punk
47:28
SPEAKER_01: No, I haven't.
47:29
SPEAKER_01: This particular album, actually?
47:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
47:31
SPEAKER_00: I was like,
47:31
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you want to start pulling that thread about,
47:33
SPEAKER_00: you know,
47:36
SPEAKER_00: trying to imbue life with meaning in,
47:38
SPEAKER_00: you know,
47:38
SPEAKER_00: like a chaotic universe where everything's a coincidence.
47:42
SPEAKER_00: I don't want to start that conversation yet.
47:44
SPEAKER_00: Not yet.
47:46
SPEAKER_01: Awesome, dude.
47:47
SPEAKER_01: Thanks so much.
47:48
SPEAKER_01: This is super fun.