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Academically Looked Like Fun, Would Not Do It · I Think Less of You Podcast

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SPEAKER_00: I didn't really like Stuart, John Stuart, starting about 2004.
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SPEAKER_00: I remember I was the 2004 election was before that.
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SPEAKER_00: I felt like he had been fairly, he punched both sides fairly well.
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SPEAKER_00: And he, he tipped his hand hard in 2004 towards Kerry and mocking Bush.
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SPEAKER_00: And then when Bush won, he,
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I felt like he took it personally and became just significantly
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more insufferable.
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SPEAKER_00: So I haven't liked Jon Stewart for, I didn't, I don't,
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SPEAKER_00: didn't like Colbert on his own show, especially.
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SPEAKER_00: I found the Bill O'Reilly schtick to be obnoxious.
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I know that a lot of conservatives did like it,
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as I think O'Reilly played along with it.
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But a lot of people on the right thought it was funny and chose
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to embrace it.
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SPEAKER_00: But I just didn't do it for me.
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The only person who was ever associated with Jon Stewart that I
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ever liked was Ron Riggle.
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SPEAKER_00: Ron Riggle was one of the correspondents.
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SPEAKER_00: I really like Ron Riggle.
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SPEAKER_00: Ron Riggle was funny.
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SPEAKER_00: He was a former Marine.
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I got the impression he was the only one who potentially had
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conservative leanings on the show.
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SPEAKER_00: So I...
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But I'll say,
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like,
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at least with Jon Stewart,
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he was a little bit more clear about that.
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SPEAKER_01: The Colbert shtick, like, he was hiding who he really was.
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SPEAKER_01: And you could tell he was actually insanely liberal this whole time.
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SPEAKER_01: Jon Stewart, you could tell that he always had that.
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SPEAKER_01: I agree.
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It used to be more balanced where he would take shots at the
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left and then he stopped.
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SPEAKER_01: And then he kind of started again during COVID and some Biden.
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SPEAKER_01: But now we're back to just being all kinds of crazy.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Well,
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SPEAKER_00: no,
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that's the there is an entire class of liberal entertainer who
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can who is only
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SPEAKER_00: willing to.
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SPEAKER_00: Take shots at the left or like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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acknowledge shots at the left as being fair game when when the
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Democrats are in
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SPEAKER_00: control.
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They – if the Democrats – they just get angry and bitter when
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the Democrats are not
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SPEAKER_00: in control and,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: will not attack their own – like,
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SPEAKER_00: will not mock the absurdities of their own side at all,
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SPEAKER_00: which I think is a mistake.
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SPEAKER_00: I think that you should always mock the absurdities.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, that was –
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Yeah,
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that's one of the things that we're both bothered about right
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now with MAGA.
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SPEAKER_01: Like they won't mock any of the absurdities.
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SPEAKER_01: They won't call out things like tariffs.
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SPEAKER_01: They won't call out a lot of the racism that happens on the right,
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SPEAKER_01: which let's get back to that in a minute.
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SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it's just it's always seems to go that way.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: With the left, the right.
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SPEAKER_01: A lot of us do call things out.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Not so much MAGA,
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SPEAKER_01: but like the right as a whole,
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SPEAKER_01: whereas the left is not introspective even slightly.
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On the right,
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we don't take ourselves and our mission as seriously for the
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most part.
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SPEAKER_00: Some do.
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But even the ones who seem to,
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I think,
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are mostly grifters who are trying to gin up anger.
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But for the most part...
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But that kind of means they don't take it seriously.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, that's true.
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They just care about ginning up anger,
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not actually getting anything done.
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For the most part,
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on the right,
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I think we are aware of the absurdities of things much more so.
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We do not believe ourselves to be in a civilizational fight
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against fascism.
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SPEAKER_00: There have been times when many on the right,
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SPEAKER_00: clearly,
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SPEAKER_00: during the peak of what is now being called peak woke,
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There were certainly people on the right who did believe that
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we were in an existential fight.
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SPEAKER_00: But even then,
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they didn't take it as horrendously seriously as the average
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man on the street on
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SPEAKER_00: the left does,
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SPEAKER_00: I think.
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SPEAKER_00: It just went all hiccupy.
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SPEAKER_00: I think we might have both been talking.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: I just had a whole rant and it was really good.
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SPEAKER_01: So I'm going to continue it.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm going to say that we need to,
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SPEAKER_01: hold on,
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SPEAKER_01: let me go back in here and mark this so it's easier for me.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know if that was you or mine or my internet.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_01: Whatever.
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SPEAKER_01: We'll just keep going.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: I am concerned,
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SPEAKER_01: like you,
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that we don't take this necessarily seriously and we should be
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taking it more
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SPEAKER_01: seriously because we are in a generational fight.
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SPEAKER_01: The problem is we're not in a fight against fascism like everyone thinks.
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SPEAKER_01: We are in a fight to the death against socialism, against Marxism.
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SPEAKER_01: And we're very behind.
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And it's about time that we took it more seriously and started
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pushing back on all
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SPEAKER_01: of these things.
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SPEAKER_00: I intellectually agree with you.
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SPEAKER_00: However,
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SPEAKER_00: we actually had,
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you and I had a conversation this morning about how I
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personally am basically
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SPEAKER_00: incapable of taking myself seriously in anything.
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SPEAKER_00: You say that,
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SPEAKER_00: but...
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SPEAKER_00: Therefore,
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SPEAKER_00: I liked a mutual friend of ours,
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SPEAKER_00: Philip Riker,
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SPEAKER_00: once,
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SPEAKER_00: because I was talking about this,
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SPEAKER_00: and he said,
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SPEAKER_00: you don't take yourself seriously,
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SPEAKER_00: but you take how others view you seriously.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think that's true.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't necessarily...
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SPEAKER_00: I don't necessarily take myself seriously,
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SPEAKER_00: but I take it seriously that people understand that what I mean,
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that that that I am not making statements that can be
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misconstrued easily.
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SPEAKER_00: But for the most part,
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maybe you don't take yourself very seriously and you don't act
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very seriously
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because you're afraid that people aren't going to see you the
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way you want to be
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SPEAKER_01: seen.
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SPEAKER_00: Calm down, Dr. Freud.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a lot easier to be the jokester.
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SPEAKER_00: It is.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm a classic class clown.
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SPEAKER_00: What can I say?
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SPEAKER_01: I was voted one of my class as class clowns.
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SPEAKER_00: The Cold War never properly ended.
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SPEAKER_00: What happened?
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SPEAKER_00: And we know this.
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SPEAKER_00: If you look at what Whitaker Chambers was talking about,
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and if you look at what was revealed in the Soviet archives
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when they opened up...
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The Soviet Union had a very robust program going on of actively
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trying to – they
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SPEAKER_00: basically were doing influencer programs,
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SPEAKER_00: what we would now consider to be influencer programs.
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They were ingratiating themselves in academic circles and in
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Hollywood and America –
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They were bringing people over to the Soviet Union to see
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things and to basically
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SPEAKER_00: show them how great things were with their Potemkin villages.
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And then so they more or less took over the American arts and
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culture scene through
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SPEAKER_00: these programs.
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And the effects of it have lingered long after the Soviet Union
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collapsed.
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We are living in the aftermath of an extremely effective
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marketing campaign by the
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SPEAKER_00: Soviet Russians.
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SPEAKER_00: And I agree.
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SPEAKER_00: It is actually an existential threat.
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SPEAKER_00: But I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: I think for the most – people don't like self-righteousness.
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SPEAKER_00: Why –
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quote-unquote peak woke broke,
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I think,
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is people got tired of the self-righteousness of it.
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SPEAKER_00: And I do think that humor is generally the better weapon.
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SPEAKER_00: Conservatives have become much better at humor than liberals,
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as shown by things like what they call Bear Rapport and
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whatever Himmel's show is
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SPEAKER_00: called.
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SPEAKER_01: Got
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SPEAKER_01: Gutfeld isn't my thing.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not my style of humor.
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I think it's a little cheesy,
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but Gutfeld's ratings are so much higher than all of theirs.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's kind of proof of it.
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SPEAKER_00: Gutfeld was... It's not for me, but... I really like Red Eye.
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SPEAKER_00: Red Eye was... Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: I was periodically awake.
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SPEAKER_00: Not frequently awake, but periodically awake to watch Red Eye.
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SPEAKER_00: And I quite liked Red Eye.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, both of us had little kids at that time.
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SPEAKER_01: So, like, for me, Red Eye was great.
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SPEAKER_00: No, I was in college when Red Eye was on.
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SPEAKER_00: When I was watching Red Eye...
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SPEAKER_01: No, Red Eye only recently ended.
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SPEAKER_00: I stopped watching it by then.
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I probably stopped watching Red Eye with any regular—the last
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time I saw Red Eye
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SPEAKER_00: was probably 2010.
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SPEAKER_01: I'd wake up in the middle of the night and,
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SPEAKER_01: like,
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SPEAKER_01: have to deal with kids crying,
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SPEAKER_01: and I'd be like,
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SPEAKER_01: okay,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm going to turn this on.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: But, yeah, no, but Gutfeld, I don't really, yeah, I agree with you.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't especially like the humor of it.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not my style, but it's a lot more popular.
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And I guess if I,
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gun to my head,
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if I have to pick one of the two,
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I'm watching him,
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not them.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, 100%.
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SPEAKER_00: No, that's, that's, but I, in order of who I would.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not a late night person.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not my format.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not, I've never really been into them.
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SPEAKER_00: If I had to pick something to watch late at night,
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SPEAKER_00: it would be the list would be so gun to my head.
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SPEAKER_00: So get man says you have to watch you have to watch the four.
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SPEAKER_00: Give me your your list of like in order.
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SPEAKER_00: It would be Gutfeld, The Tonight Show, Bullet.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, Bullet might actually be my pick number one.
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SPEAKER_01: But if I survived, then I would go on Gutfeld.
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And then probably The Tonight Show,
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just because they always had really good musical guests.
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SPEAKER_01: I also don't even watch SNL.
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SPEAKER_00: No, no.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just not.
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SPEAKER_00: I have remarked in the past, and I find it fascinating, that, like,
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SPEAKER_00: At one time, everyone watched Carson.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, our parents, our grandparents, they all watched Carson.
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They were all up till 1230 at night every night watching or at
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least at least up to
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SPEAKER_00: the end of the monologue.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I don't know how they did it.
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I don't know who I don't know how the people how people were
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getting enough sleep at all.
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SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, I'd check out after 11.
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SPEAKER_00: That's my bedtime.
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But they actually slept because they didn't have,
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like,
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phones and things.
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SPEAKER_01: They actually got, like, a good night's sleep.
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SPEAKER_00: I guess.
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SPEAKER_00: But still, that's like, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: Now, granted, the paid lunch was more common.
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SPEAKER_00: So a lot of people, like, people...
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SPEAKER_00: who work office jobs work 8 to 5 now.
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SPEAKER_00: And back then, I think the 9 to 5 was much more common.
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SPEAKER_00: But still,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: you're going to bed at 12.30,
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SPEAKER_00: getting up at 7 to get ready for work,
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SPEAKER_00: to go to be at work at 9.
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uh that's that's that's only like six and a half hours of sleep
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that's not enough
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you you go to bed early though i try to go to bed early it
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takes me forever to fall
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asleep because i'm not a good sleeper um i often go to bed at
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like nine nine thirty
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my time and i will wake up at like eight or nine in the morning
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i'm really lazy
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, when I decide it's time for me to go to bed, I just conk out.
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SPEAKER_00: That's my sleep preparer.
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SPEAKER_01: I wish.
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SPEAKER_01: I wish.
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SPEAKER_01: Last night, I did not sleep very well.
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We were staying in the mountains and we're in this cabin and it
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was so,
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so windy last night.
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SPEAKER_01: And I finally fell asleep and I'm like in a deep, deep sleep.
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And the wind was like hitting the side of the house that we're
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on really hard.
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And there's the part of the house that my son is staying in has
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this door that they
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SPEAKER_01: had a chair propped in front of it.
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SPEAKER_01: And in the middle of the night,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm like,
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SPEAKER_01: oh,
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SPEAKER_01: my gosh,
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SPEAKER_01: the chair is there because the door is going to fly open.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's so windy, it's going to fly open.
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SPEAKER_01: And then a mountain lion is going to come in and eat him.
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SPEAKER_01: And like none of this makes actual sense.
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SPEAKER_01: But at 1.30 in the morning, this totally made sense.
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SPEAKER_01: And it definitely was going to happen.
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SPEAKER_01: And I couldn't fall back asleep.
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SPEAKER_00: Groggy half-awake brain is a horrible monster.
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Especially because I had a weird dream that like really stuck
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with me recently
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SPEAKER_01: about a tiger eating everyone in our backyard.
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So I don't know if it was like a recall to that,
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that I was like,
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oh,
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the mountain lion.
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SPEAKER_01: I really do.
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SPEAKER_01: It's because I've had really bad sinus problems lately.
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SPEAKER_01: And I take Alka-Seltzer.
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SPEAKER_01: It's the only sinus medicine that works for me.
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SPEAKER_01: But I take their PM1.
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And anytime I take anything with like a sleep component in it,
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I have crazy dreams.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't remember my dreams.
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SPEAKER_01: I look really vivid, too, and I remember.
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SPEAKER_00: I never remember my dreams.
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SPEAKER_00: Every once in a while I do.
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SPEAKER_00: So, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I remember things.
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SPEAKER_00: You're skiing.
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SPEAKER_00: You're having fun skiing.
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SPEAKER_00: I am not skiing.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm having fun not skiing.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not skiing today.
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SPEAKER_01: I went skiing yesterday.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm talking to you right now.
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SPEAKER_00: You looked like fun.
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SPEAKER_01: It was fun.
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SPEAKER_01: It was really fun.
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SPEAKER_01: Academically looked like fun.
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SPEAKER_00: I would not do it.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll send you.
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SPEAKER_01: I took videos of my kids skiing, and they're pretty good.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm proud of that.
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SPEAKER_01: We just skied.
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SPEAKER_01: We have a local hill,
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and we hadn't been up for so long because our snow is
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nonexistent this year.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you saw.
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SPEAKER_01: California is, like, getting railed right now with snow.
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SPEAKER_01: There was a massive avalanche.
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SPEAKER_00: They're hogging it all over themselves.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I—
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SPEAKER_00: I made a funny joke about the storm in Donner Pass.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you saw that.
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SPEAKER_01: I did.
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OK,
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so my high school best friend,
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her husband is like a legendary ski instructor.
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SPEAKER_01: They lived right off Donner Pass before.
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SPEAKER_01: So I've driven up there before.
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SPEAKER_01: Donner Pass is actually not that hard of a road to do.
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The problem is Californians,
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you know,
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you're driving up from San Francisco or L.A.
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SPEAKER_01: You don't have much.
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SPEAKER_01: You don't really know how to drive in the snow.
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And I was looking at the pictures and it was all like Priuses
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that had spun out.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not like.
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So the last time I was visiting them there before they moved to
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Canada,
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it snowed.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, it's job related.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: It snowed five feet at her house right off Donner Pass.
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SPEAKER_01: And the California State Patrol was actually stopping people.
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They wouldn't let you go over the pass unless you could prove
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that you could do it.
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And I actually had happened to get the last rental car in the
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entire area.
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SPEAKER_01: I had to get back to Reno because my ride ditched me.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I'll go stay with them for a night.
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SPEAKER_01: It ended up snowing so much that I had to stay longer.
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SPEAKER_01: The pass to Reno was closed, but I could drive down her pass.
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SPEAKER_01: But they checked my ID and they were like, oh, you're from Colorado.
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SPEAKER_01: You can manage this.
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SPEAKER_01: And I was like, yeah, it's fine.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: But they weren't letting most people through.
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And they also,
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they weren't going to let me through because I was in a truck.
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SPEAKER_01: And they're like, well, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: And I was like, no, no, no.
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SPEAKER_01: I understand a truck doesn't have weight in the back, you fishtail.
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SPEAKER_01: What I did was I shoveled.
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SPEAKER_01: I shoveled like four feet of snow in the back of the truck.
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SPEAKER_01: And I jumped on it to pack it down.
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SPEAKER_01: And then I shoveled more on.
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SPEAKER_01: And I weighed the back of the truck down.
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SPEAKER_01: And the cop was actually like, this is so smart.
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SPEAKER_01: I've never seen anyone do that.
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SPEAKER_01: I was like, Colorado.
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SPEAKER_00: To move.
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SPEAKER_01: He was impressed.
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SPEAKER_01: I was like, you know, I know what I'm doing.
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SPEAKER_00: Jokes about emergency cannibalism are always funny.
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SPEAKER_00: It is, but...
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I saw that.
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And actually there was a guide group that went out and
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yesterday 15 were missing.
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SPEAKER_01: They found some,
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SPEAKER_01: I think they found nine or 10 and six right now,
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SPEAKER_01: I think is the number that died six or eight.
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which is actually really alarming because if you are skiing or
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have ever done,
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SPEAKER_01: like I was training to do my avalanche certification one,
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SPEAKER_01: I bailed out before finishing it.
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SPEAKER_01: But anytime you hire a guide, they have to do pit tests and things.
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SPEAKER_01: Like it's crazy to me that they didn't do any kind of pit test on it.
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SPEAKER_01: A pit test is where you jump and you see the layer of ice.
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SPEAKER_01: It's to determine like how likely it is to have an avalanche, which is,
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SPEAKER_01: It was super likely.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: And it happened.
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SPEAKER_00: It just got sloppy, probably, honestly.
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It's probably just he'd been doing it a long time and never had
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an avalanche before.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, no, it's it's Tahoe.
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SPEAKER_01: You have an avalanche every year.
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SPEAKER_00: They personally had never had an avalanche before.
17:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maybe.
17:49
SPEAKER_01: But it knowing what you pay for those guides,
17:53
SPEAKER_01: like you probably paid a thousand to two thousand per person to go.
17:57
SPEAKER_00: Welcome to snow.
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SPEAKER_01: No, you hike up and then you ski down.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh.
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SPEAKER_01: It seems like something you would never do.
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SPEAKER_00: That is horrible in both counts, to be honest.
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I mean,
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they paid a really steep price for that privilege and didn't
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make it out alive.
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SPEAKER_00: And then they paid a steep price for it.
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I didn't see if it was the guides that died or if it was the
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people that they were
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SPEAKER_01: with,
18:24
SPEAKER_01: but just the whole thing all around.
18:26
SPEAKER_01: It's horrible.
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SPEAKER_01: If the guides did not die, their careers are over.
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SPEAKER_01: They should be held criminally liable for that.
18:35
SPEAKER_01: Yes, accidents happen, but this is a known massive storm.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't understand how you take anyone out.
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SPEAKER_00: We have forgotten,
18:45
many people have forgotten in the modern world that nature must
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be respected
18:49
SPEAKER_00: because nature is always trying to kill you.
18:52
Most of human history is man figuring out ways to outwit nature
18:58
as nature tries to kill them.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And we are way too comfortable.
19:04
SPEAKER_01: We have things like avalanche beacons.
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SPEAKER_01: You have the transponders.
19:10
SPEAKER_01: You're supposed to always have your transponder on.
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SPEAKER_01: The problem is, and I think they had their transponders on.
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SPEAKER_01: They knew where to look for them.
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SPEAKER_01: Problem is when it's snowing,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: five feet in a day,
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SPEAKER_01: it's really hard for emergency services to get to you,
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SPEAKER_01: even if all of your beacons are on and firing properly,
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SPEAKER_01: which a lot of times they're not.
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I mean,
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with a guide,
19:31
I'm guessing they had like they knew how to use their
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equipment.
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But in Colorado,
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a lot of people go backcountry and they forget to have them on.
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SPEAKER_01: They don't know how to switch it from send or receive.
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Yeah,
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we have become really,
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really comfortable and we have no right to be.
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SPEAKER_00: It's the romantic's fault.
19:53
SPEAKER_00: I blame it on Thoreau mostly.
19:55
SPEAKER_00: Thoreau and Thoreau, Emerson, Rousseau a bit.
20:00
SPEAKER_00: The noble savage concept.
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SPEAKER_01: What a weird throwback to this.
20:03
I was going to blame it on the X Games,
20:06
and you're like,
20:06
it's all Thoreau's fault.
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SPEAKER_00: People understood nature for what it is, a vicious and cruel mistress.
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Up until the romantics showed up,
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and they're like,
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oh,
20:16
I'm going to go live on this pond.
20:18
SPEAKER_00: Oh, look at me.
20:20
SPEAKER_00: And they wrote their books about it and sent it out.
20:22
SPEAKER_00: And then they were like, oh, nature's so romantic.
20:24
SPEAKER_00: We should all go be close to nature.
20:25
SPEAKER_00: You should not be close to nature.
20:27
You should be in a nice house with central heating and central
20:30
air conditioning.
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SPEAKER_00: This is universal truth.
20:34
SPEAKER_01: We should all read more Kerouac and less Thoreau, I guess.
20:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we should not read Thoreau.
20:38
It is important to remember that Thoreau's mom was coming to do
20:41
his laundry every week.
20:45
He left out of Walden the fact that he was going to parties in
20:48
Boston every weekend.
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SPEAKER_00: So, you know, he was not close to nature and neither are you.
20:55
SPEAKER_00: You're LARPing it close to nature.
20:56
SPEAKER_00: You want to be close to nature?
20:57
SPEAKER_00: Go live like Ted Kaczynski.
21:03
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
21:05
SPEAKER_01: And with the Uncle Ted reference, let's transition.
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I will take any opportunity I can find to crap on Thoreau
21:11
because I hate Walden.
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SPEAKER_00: I hate Thoreau.
21:15
SPEAKER_00: I hate Emerson.
21:16
SPEAKER_00: I hate all of them.
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SPEAKER_01: That was just the weirdest, weirdest rant of yours.
21:21
SPEAKER_01: It just came out of the blue.
21:23
SPEAKER_00: There'll be weirder.
21:25
SPEAKER_01: Well, I know.
21:26
SPEAKER_01: I have been friends with you for a while now at this point.
21:30
SPEAKER_01: I've come to expect weirder.
21:33
SPEAKER_00: Um, so Prince Andrew Mountbatten, Windsor has been arrested.
21:38
SPEAKER_00: If he is the first British Royal to have been arrested,
21:42
SPEAKER_00: I have heard since Charles the first,
21:44
SPEAKER_00: uh,
21:45
SPEAKER_00: and we'll all recall how that worked out for Chuck.
21:48
all i have to say is it's about damn time i know neither of us
21:53
are interested in
21:54
getting into the epstein files but i do think this this part of
21:58
it um is is
21:59
interesting i think both of us want something to come from the
22:03
epstein files we
22:04
both believe that like justice has long been evaded and and we
22:08
deserve to know the
22:09
SPEAKER_01: names but like
22:11
i don't follow it closely it is too it's too dark for me i'm
22:16
waiting for people to
22:17
do i want people to do the right thing with it and i don't have
22:23
access to the
22:24
information so i'm not going to say what the right thing is i'm
22:27
going to leave that
22:27
to experts um but i am very glad it was always clear that he
22:33
had a lot of um
22:36
improper involvement in it and i think this is long overdue um
22:41
outside of the
22:43
trafficking charges which are horrific and you know i'll let
22:47
the experts deal with
22:48
that outside of that like he had very clearly improper
22:53
relationships when it comes
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SPEAKER_01: to um
22:57
SPEAKER_01: the British crown and access to power.
23:00
SPEAKER_01: All of that should be invested.
23:01
SPEAKER_01: That's all really clear.
23:02
SPEAKER_01: I think it's great that they're investigating it.
23:05
SPEAKER_01: I think it's freaking savage that they did it on his birthday.
23:09
SPEAKER_01: It is his 66th birthday and he's spending it in jail.
23:13
SPEAKER_01: There is some delicious irony in all of this.
23:16
SPEAKER_01: Um,
23:17
You know,
23:17
we'll see how it goes,
23:18
but I will say I think the King's statement was really good.
23:22
I read it to Luke this morning,
23:23
and he's like,
23:25
basically,
23:26
you're on your own,
23:27
brother.
23:27
SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
23:28
SPEAKER_01: Like, throw the book at him.
23:30
SPEAKER_01: Well, he's always, I think, been some of the black sheep of the family.
23:33
SPEAKER_01: He's never liked his brother.
23:35
He never liked his brother and his brother was always his mom's
23:38
favorite.
23:39
SPEAKER_01: And I think Charles has always hated that.
23:42
SPEAKER_01: Charles was the heir, but he was not the favorite.
23:45
SPEAKER_01: Andrew was.
23:47
SPEAKER_01: Charles is.
23:48
SPEAKER_01: He's an odd duck.
23:49
SPEAKER_01: He's a strange man.
23:50
SPEAKER_01: He should be the favorite.
23:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's not my favorite person.
23:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:56
SPEAKER_01: But I think he was like, good riddance to bad rubbish.
24:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:01
SPEAKER_00: See you later.
24:02
SPEAKER_00: Bye-bye.
24:03
SPEAKER_00: I don't... With the Epstein thing, I think...
24:06
SPEAKER_00: Epstein was involved in a lot of illegal stuff.
24:09
SPEAKER_00: I don't know the extent.
24:11
People make the assumption that literally everyone who was
24:14
involved with Epstein
24:16
SPEAKER_00: was also involved with Epstein's illegal stuff.
24:19
SPEAKER_00: But Epstein was involved in a lot of random stuff.
24:21
SPEAKER_00: I have made the analogy in the past,
24:26
SPEAKER_00: I don't think here,
24:26
SPEAKER_00: but to people,
24:27
SPEAKER_00: that he was basically Ricardo Montalban who,
24:31
SPEAKER_00: on Fantasy Island.
24:32
SPEAKER_00: His whole thing was just like,
24:36
SPEAKER_00: I want you to be my connection into whatever world you're in,
24:39
and I will give you whatever it is you happen to want to make
24:42
you like me.
24:44
So some people wanted legal stuff,
24:45
some people just wanted connections to other people.
24:49
It's a much more complicated story than I think people are
24:51
making it out to be.
24:52
SPEAKER_01: Oh, totally, totally.
24:54
I do have a lot of interest in all of that,
24:56
like outside of the salacious stuff,
24:58
which
24:59
SPEAKER_01: Again,
24:59
SPEAKER_01: like,
25:00
SPEAKER_01: I think some really dark,
25:01
SPEAKER_01: shady stuff went down,
25:02
SPEAKER_01: and I would love to see those who are involved help to account for that.
25:06
SPEAKER_01: And also, I think there's plenty of...
25:12
avenues to take down this to see what he was doing with
25:16
improper influence to see
25:18
what kind of bribes or what kind of things that he was getting
25:22
like there's so much
25:23
there that can be unpacked like what kind of weird deals did he
25:27
set up for
25:28
different I mean he acted as a deal maker between different
25:32
elected officials
25:33
different countries like all of that is is totally with merit
25:38
on its own outside of
25:40
SPEAKER_01: All of the trafficking things.
25:41
SPEAKER_00: The impression that I get.
25:43
SPEAKER_01: And the things that catch people's attention.
25:45
SPEAKER_00: My theory on Jeffrey Epstein, I will give you.
25:47
SPEAKER_00: He was a fixer.
25:49
SPEAKER_00: He was.
25:49
SPEAKER_00: I will say.
25:51
SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of stuff that can go wrong with fixers.
25:55
SPEAKER_01: And there's a lot of skeletons and fixers.
25:57
SPEAKER_01: So let's look at some of that, too.
25:59
SPEAKER_00: With all of the Epstein stuff.
26:01
SPEAKER_00: So everyone's in a high dungeon about this.
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SPEAKER_00: If Epstein had never happened,
26:06
SPEAKER_00: we'll say hypothetically,
26:08
and there was a television show with him as the anti-hero of
26:13
that television show,
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SPEAKER_00: that television show would be wildly popular.
26:16
If you take all of the elements that we have,
26:20
probably remove the underage.
26:23
The underage girls,
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I think,
26:25
is the viewing audience would draw the line at.
26:27
SPEAKER_00: But all the other insanely improper stuff,
26:30
SPEAKER_00: the creepy island and just the underage girls,
26:34
SPEAKER_00: because you can leave the above age girls.
26:38
SPEAKER_01: But see, and this is where I have to say no to this.
26:43
SPEAKER_01: And obviously, I'm going to have a different take than most of society.
26:47
SPEAKER_01: Like, just because you're of age doesn't mean you're not trafficked.
26:51
SPEAKER_01: That's fine.
26:53
SPEAKER_00: But people love The Sopranos.
26:55
Do you think those girls in The Sopranos at the strip club that
26:59
he hung out at,
27:00
that world...
27:02
is not entirely filled with people who went into it looking to
27:06
be doing that job.
27:07
SPEAKER_01: Oh, no, I think they're all trafficked, too.
27:11
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm not saying you.
27:13
SPEAKER_01: I would be a bad pseudo-feminist if I didn't push back on that.
27:16
SPEAKER_01: And I do.
27:18
I think people aren't looking at some of those issues because
27:22
they're like,
27:22
SPEAKER_01: oh,
27:22
SPEAKER_01: they were over 18.
27:23
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, well, you can still be trafficked if you're over 18.
27:25
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, of course.
27:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, 100%.
27:27
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm not saying I'm not saying it was justifiable.
27:30
SPEAKER_00: Take out all the girls.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's just take all the girls out of it.
27:33
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm not going to.
27:34
SPEAKER_00: I'm going even with if you look at The Sopranos,
27:36
SPEAKER_00: if you look at the past 15 years of entertainment,
27:41
SPEAKER_00: if there had been a television show about the
27:44
basically literally Jeffrey Epstein as he was as your dark
27:48
antihero it would be
27:49
have been wildly popular now it wouldn't for obvious reasons
27:53
but I think that thank
27:54
god for it yes I think that there actually is something of a
28:00
pushback I get the
28:01
impression that slowly but surely the antihero trope is
28:07
starting to die which I am
28:09
SPEAKER_00: happy about that's
28:12
SPEAKER_00: We're getting done with the morally gray protagonists and all that.
28:20
SPEAKER_00: I was never fond of that.
28:21
SPEAKER_00: I didn't like Game of Thrones because all the characters were awful.
28:26
I have made my feelings on Wuthering Heights clear,
28:29
which obviously is not new.
28:30
SPEAKER_00: The worst book ever.
28:31
SPEAKER_00: They have to stop.
28:34
SPEAKER_01: they have to stop with Wuthering Heights.
28:36
SPEAKER_01: Like, I understand.
28:37
SPEAKER_01: And I said this to you, it's all aesthetics.
28:40
It's all girls doing a Pinterest board who have no idea what
28:44
the story actually is.
28:45
SPEAKER_01: Like, we've got to stop with it.
28:47
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
28:48
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
28:48
SPEAKER_00: I agree.
28:48
SPEAKER_00: You know,
28:51
SPEAKER_00: Jane Austen is a much – but the problem,
28:52
SPEAKER_00: you can't adapt Jane Austen's best book,
28:55
SPEAKER_00: Pride and Prejudice,
28:55
SPEAKER_00: anymore because people really like the Karen Knightley version.
28:58
SPEAKER_00: That version sucked.
29:00
SPEAKER_00: There is one version.
29:01
SPEAKER_00: The BBC version of Colin Firth is 100%.
29:06
SPEAKER_00: You basically can't make that movie again because it's been –
29:10
SPEAKER_00: Every piece of art, there is an apotheosis remake of that piece of art.
29:16
SPEAKER_00: And once that has been...
29:17
SPEAKER_00: I always use an example for this,
29:19
SPEAKER_00: the song Words of Love,
29:21
SPEAKER_00: which is a great song.
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SPEAKER_00: It was covered by lots of different people.
29:23
SPEAKER_00: They all did a competent job.
29:25
SPEAKER_00: The Mamas and the Papas covered it with Mama Cass singing Words of Love.
29:28
And after that,
29:29
you don't see it anymore because the Mama Cass version is the
29:32
alpha version.
29:33
SPEAKER_00: Everyone looks at it and says, throw in the towel.
29:36
SPEAKER_00: We're not doing that anymore.
29:38
SPEAKER_00: Similarly, with Pride and Prejudice, the best version was done.
29:41
SPEAKER_00: There was literally no point in even trying now.
29:46
SPEAKER_01: I'm okay with other takes on it, not literal interpretations of it.
29:50
SPEAKER_01: You know my other favorite spin off that, right?
29:54
SPEAKER_00: No, I don't like so.
29:55
SPEAKER_01: Bridget Jones.
29:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:59
SPEAKER_01: He's even Mark Darcy.
30:00
SPEAKER_01: He's Mr. Darcy in both.
30:02
SPEAKER_00: Yes, I know.
30:03
SPEAKER_00: I'm aware.
30:04
SPEAKER_01: I know, but I love that.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: I love that it was so cheesy to keep his last name as Darcy.
30:11
SPEAKER_00: Bridget Jones as a character is far too unlikable.
30:15
SPEAKER_01: Sure, sure.
30:16
SPEAKER_01: But it's not the same.
30:18
SPEAKER_01: It's just a take off of it.
30:20
SPEAKER_00: And that's what I like.
30:22
SPEAKER_00: I like those.
30:24
SPEAKER_01: But as far as like a literal interpretation, it's one and done.
30:28
SPEAKER_01: We have the perfect one.
30:30
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
30:30
SPEAKER_00: Bridget Jones' Diary came about at kind of the end of it.
30:33
SPEAKER_00: There was this period where they were doing it.
30:35
SPEAKER_00: There was like 10 Things I Hate About You,
30:37
and I think there were a couple of others that were – they were
30:40
doing modernized,
30:43
SPEAKER_00: completely redone,
30:44
SPEAKER_00: inspired by classic works of theater and literature,
30:47
SPEAKER_00: which was fun.
30:48
SPEAKER_00: I actually quite liked 10 Things I Hate About You.
30:51
SPEAKER_01: did you oh 10 things i hate about you is the absolute best like modern
30:57
shakespearean interpretation is the best um did you ever see
31:02
pride and prejudice
31:02
SPEAKER_01: and zombies no sleeper hit no absolutely actually actually loved it
31:08
SPEAKER_01: It was fantastic.
31:09
SPEAKER_01: It was so dumb.
31:11
SPEAKER_01: I loved it.
31:12
SPEAKER_01: I don't like horror movies.
31:13
SPEAKER_01: I don't like zombie movies.
31:16
But they knew what they were doing,
31:19
and it was just cheesy,
31:20
and they were having fun with it.
31:21
SPEAKER_01: It was a fun movie.
31:22
SPEAKER_00: I both dislike zombie products in general, and I get annoyed at people.
31:29
SPEAKER_00: Like doing a 10 Things I Hate About You or Bridget Jones Diary,
31:32
like full inspired by adaptation I'm OK with where you're not
31:36
you're not claiming
31:37
SPEAKER_00: to be the thing at all.
31:39
I get really annoyed with people mucking around in someone
31:41
else's literary world like that.
31:43
SPEAKER_00: Like that.
31:44
SPEAKER_00: This is the reason I will not watch the zombies.
31:48
SPEAKER_00: No, no.
31:49
This is the reason I will not watch Wicked beyond everything
31:53
else with it.
31:53
SPEAKER_00: They're mucking around in someone else's literary world.
31:56
SPEAKER_00: I think it's inappropriate.
31:58
SPEAKER_00: Similarly with that, it's like, just make your own zombie movie, man.
32:02
SPEAKER_00: Don't drag poor Jane Austen into this.
32:05
SPEAKER_01: It was it was fun.
32:06
SPEAKER_01: I really like Matt Smith.
32:08
SPEAKER_01: I am not a huge sci fi person at all,
32:11
SPEAKER_01: as you know,
32:12
SPEAKER_01: but I do like Doctor Who and I loved Matt Smith's Doctor Who.
32:17
SPEAKER_01: So it's just fun.
32:19
SPEAKER_01: They were in on the joke.
32:20
SPEAKER_01: It's not to be taken seriously.
32:22
SPEAKER_01: And if you don't take it seriously, it's actually fun.
32:25
SPEAKER_01: It's a plane movie.
32:26
SPEAKER_01: I watched it on a plane and I was like, I don't hate this.
32:29
SPEAKER_00: Anything's fine.
32:30
SPEAKER_01: It's a good plane movie.
32:32
SPEAKER_00: I watched The Hours on the plane.
32:34
SPEAKER_00: Do you remember The Hours, the weird feminist movie?
32:40
SPEAKER_00: They put a weird fake nose on someone so she could play Virginia Woolf.
32:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:46
SPEAKER_00: I watched that plane back from England.
32:48
SPEAKER_01: I always watched the same plane movie.
32:51
SPEAKER_01: United always has Crazy Rich Asians, and that is my plane movie.
32:55
SPEAKER_00: You like trash.
32:57
SPEAKER_01: That is a cute movie.
32:58
SPEAKER_01: I like that movie.
32:59
For the record,
33:01
the only good zombie movie,
33:04
in my opinion,
33:06
is Shaun of the Dead.
33:08
SPEAKER_00: Shaun of the Dead is the only zombie movie I enjoy.
33:12
SPEAKER_01: Okay, but Pride and Prejudice and Zombies was actually pretty fun.
33:17
SPEAKER_00: I will take your word on that.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm never going to watch it.
33:23
SPEAKER_00: All right.
33:23
So I am going to soon probably start watching Night of the
33:30
Seven Kingdoms.
33:31
SPEAKER_00: I said I don't like...
33:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know you have no idea what this is, and I'm going to tell you.
33:37
SPEAKER_00: I said I don't like Game of Thrones.
33:39
Night of the Seven Kingdoms is apparently a prequel to Game of
33:44
Thrones set like
33:44
hundreds of years beforehand based on this character who is
33:48
like legendary within
33:51
SPEAKER_00: the Game of Thrones world for his mighty deeds long ago.
33:55
SPEAKER_00: But apparently it's actually good.
33:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
33:58
It has likable characters who are trying to do the best they
34:02
can in the world and
34:03
SPEAKER_00: trying to fight for what's right.
34:06
SPEAKER_00: We need more of this.
34:07
This is the I'm hoping one of the tips of the spear that we're
34:12
coming back to being
34:13
SPEAKER_00: an optimistic consumer world where we celebrate.
34:17
people who are working for the good,
34:20
not people who are working for themselves and bad.
34:23
SPEAKER_00: I am very excited by this.
34:26
SPEAKER_00: So once I get done, I'm going to tomorrow write up what I am.
34:32
If people want to know what I am currently watching,
34:34
I'm going to write it up tomorrow.
34:37
But after I'm done with that,
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I will probably move on to Night of the Seven Kingdoms.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't think you want to know what I'm currently watching.
34:46
SPEAKER_00: It's trash.
34:47
SPEAKER_00: I don't even know.
34:48
SPEAKER_00: It's something, some Hallmark trash or Bravo trash.
34:53
SPEAKER_01: Peacock trash.
34:54
SPEAKER_00: No.
34:55
SPEAKER_01: It's The Traitors is on right now.
34:58
And I love this cast of The Traitors because one of my favorite
35:01
guys from Love Island is on it.
35:04
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
35:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I've seen previews.
35:05
SPEAKER_00: That looks terrible.
35:07
SPEAKER_01: It's actually a good show.
35:08
SPEAKER_00: No.
35:09
SPEAKER_01: It's, it's a fun format.
35:10
SPEAKER_01: It's like Among Us,
35:12
but in a Scottish castle and with horrible trashy reality stars
35:18
that you'd love to
35:18
SPEAKER_01: watch suffer.
35:20
SPEAKER_01: But my favorite guy from, I'm flustered just thinking about him.
35:26
SPEAKER_01: He's super cute.
35:27
SPEAKER_01: This guy from Love Island that I loved is on it and is doing really well.
35:32
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like,
35:32
So wait,
35:33
there's,
35:33
like,
35:33
a rep company of people who do these reality shows now?
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SPEAKER_00: I thought the whole point of these reality shows was,
35:37
SPEAKER_00: like,
35:37
SPEAKER_00: it was all just,
35:38
SPEAKER_00: like,
35:38
SPEAKER_00: fresh faces you've never seen before.
35:40
Now there's...
35:40
They have rep companies out there doing different reality
35:43
shows?
35:44
SPEAKER_01: No, so... I mean, yes, but it's...
35:49
SPEAKER_01: It was a British reality show that they adopted for the U.S.
35:53
SPEAKER_01: And to get the U.S.
35:54
SPEAKER_01: into it, they started it with like reality TV show stars.
35:59
SPEAKER_01: So you're in Scotland for two weeks.
36:01
SPEAKER_01: They got like they have Housewives on it.
36:03
SPEAKER_01: They have like Survivor people.
36:04
SPEAKER_01: I don't watch Survivor or any of the CBS.
36:07
SPEAKER_00: I don't watch reality television at all.
36:09
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I watch every Housewives and I'm a Bravo person.
36:15
SPEAKER_01: So they have a lot of Bravo stars on it.
36:18
SPEAKER_01: I call them Bravo liberties.
36:19
SPEAKER_00: Because they are Bravo's owned by NBC Universe.
36:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:24
SPEAKER_01: So it's an easy like crossover.
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But then they had like some of the MTV Challenge people were on
36:30
it one year.
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SPEAKER_01: It's just people who have been on different shows.
36:34
SPEAKER_01: They also have actors and actresses on it, like kind of B-list fans.
36:39
SPEAKER_01: You know, they have some comedians on it.
36:42
SPEAKER_01: It was just to get the American audience.
36:44
SPEAKER_01: Now they're going to do it just like regular people.
36:47
SPEAKER_01: But I like the celebrity version ones.
36:50
SPEAKER_01: They're really fun.
36:51
SPEAKER_01: It's really light.
36:51
But it's it's fun because you're watching them try to figure
36:55
out who the traitors are.
36:56
And you just laugh because they're all idiots like Tara
36:59
Lipinski and Johnny Weir on this one.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know who these are.
37:03
SPEAKER_01: They're figure skaters.
37:05
SPEAKER_01: Like famous Olympic figure skaters.
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SPEAKER_00: Brian Boitano, is he on it?
37:10
SPEAKER_01: No, but Johnny Weir.
37:12
SPEAKER_00: No, he's not.
37:13
SPEAKER_01: He was just doing commentary during the Olympics.
37:16
SPEAKER_01: You're not watching the Olympics, I see.
37:18
SPEAKER_01: No, I'm not.
37:20
SPEAKER_01: You're not cheering on Eileen Gu?
37:22
SPEAKER_00: I'm not.
37:23
SPEAKER_00: You've already done your rant on her.
37:27
SPEAKER_01: Oh, no, there's more.
37:28
SPEAKER_01: Now she's like,
37:29
I'm I'm being physically assaulted because I go for China and
37:34
she's yelling at
37:34
SPEAKER_01: people who are like,
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SPEAKER_01: I shouldn't have to answer for China's human rights violations.
37:39
SPEAKER_01: Like, OK, but you you made a choice.
37:43
SPEAKER_01: But you're fine ripping on America.
37:45
SPEAKER_01: You're fine ripping on Trump.
37:46
SPEAKER_01: You don't rip on the regime that would kill you to do so.
37:52
You're fine ripping on the horrible fascist dictator whose
37:55
worst thing is going to
37:56
SPEAKER_01: be yelling at you on Twitter in a dumb way.
37:59
SPEAKER_01: Like.
37:59
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
38:02
SPEAKER_00: I find it wonderfully entertaining.
38:05
SPEAKER_00: Many of my mutuals have had banger tweets like people with much.
38:10
So a lot of the time there are a lot of people on Twitter who
38:13
when they see an
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account that they know that has fewer like much fewer followers
38:17
than them to have
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SPEAKER_00: like a real banger that gets a lot of goes real viral.
38:22
SPEAKER_00: A lot of people get angry about that.
38:23
SPEAKER_00: I just think I'm so proud of him.
38:25
SPEAKER_00: That's wonderful.
38:25
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, that's I try to support my friends.
38:29
SPEAKER_01: A lot of people will then copy it.
38:30
SPEAKER_00: Jarvis gets angry about this.
38:32
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I just want to put that out there.
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SPEAKER_00: He posts about it.
38:36
SPEAKER_00: He's,
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SPEAKER_01: He could tweet something like fart bubble and it'll get a million likes.
38:42
SPEAKER_01: It's true.
38:43
SPEAKER_01: He's the best person.
38:45
SPEAKER_01: And also, like, his account is so dumb.
38:48
SPEAKER_00: I know.
38:49
SPEAKER_00: Actually, we've discussed it before.
38:51
SPEAKER_00: He used to actually be much more interesting.
38:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's so bad now.
38:57
SPEAKER_01: Like, I hate his account now.
38:58
SPEAKER_01: It's so dumb.
38:59
SPEAKER_01: He could literally say, like, fart balloon and get a million likes.
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SPEAKER_00: Which he used to have much more interesting.
39:07
SPEAKER_00: And he's still equally interesting.
39:09
Every once in a while,
39:10
he will post an actual serious thing,
39:14
which makes me happy.
39:15
SPEAKER_00: But for the most part,
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it's the inevitable cycle of everyone becomes flanderized to
39:23
one degree or another.
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SPEAKER_00: My wife's listening to this like, who?
39:33
SPEAKER_00: The, yeah, no.
39:36
SPEAKER_00: The only thing that would make me watch your traitors or whatever,
39:39
SPEAKER_00: treason,
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know,
39:40
SPEAKER_00: traitors show.
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I do have,
39:42
I do actually,
39:43
I have a weird reservoir of enjoyment for Alan Cumming.
39:50
SPEAKER_00: You might not like him on this.
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SPEAKER_00: I know.
39:54
SPEAKER_01: He is, as my daughter would describe, very zesty.
39:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
39:59
SPEAKER_00: Is he playing up the gay thing?
40:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
40:02
SPEAKER_01: I mean, some of the outfits.
40:04
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh, Alan.
40:06
SPEAKER_00: He was in GoldenEye.
40:08
My first realization of his existence was GoldenEye,
40:13
and I really liked him in that.
40:16
SPEAKER_01: I really I really like him, too.
40:18
SPEAKER_01: I just think like I don't know if it would fit.
40:22
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's your it's reality television.
40:24
SPEAKER_00: Therefore, it is not reality is hyper reality.
40:27
SPEAKER_00: No, and he even says keyed up.
40:29
SPEAKER_01: He even says that this is his favorite role to play.
40:34
saying like this isn't actually him he just gets to be this
40:37
like crazy flamboyant
40:38
version of himself he has a lot of fun with this show I know if
40:42
you like him you
40:43
may like that it's just fun to watch like this season they had
40:48
one traitor that
40:49
even the audience didn't know who it was until it was revealed
40:53
but they're just
40:53
trying they're all you know lying and conniving against each
40:57
other it's just fun to
40:58
SPEAKER_01: watch how people handle that like how they react
41:03
SPEAKER_00: All right.
41:05
SPEAKER_00: I know you won't watch it.
41:06
SPEAKER_00: I'm probably never going to watch this.
41:08
SPEAKER_00: But honestly,
41:09
SPEAKER_00: if I'm bored one evening,
41:10
SPEAKER_00: sitting and I do have peacocks,
41:12
SPEAKER_00: if I'm sitting and I'm like,
41:13
SPEAKER_00: eh,
41:14
SPEAKER_00: you know what?
41:15
SPEAKER_00: Let's see.
41:17
SPEAKER_00: My wife will not watch this.
41:19
SPEAKER_01: This season is really good.
41:20
SPEAKER_01: And again, one of the guys is super cute and he's still in it.
41:23
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, yeah.
41:26
I feel like the person I've rooted for would not be based on
41:31
how cute I thought they were.
41:32
SPEAKER_00: Because I'm not shallow.
41:34
SPEAKER_00: I'm not shallow as a kiddie pool.
41:38
SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
41:41
SPEAKER_00: You've called me worse.
41:42
SPEAKER_00: It's true.
41:44
SPEAKER_00: Um...
41:45
SPEAKER_00: What else are we going to talk about today?
41:46
SPEAKER_00: I don't remember.
41:47
SPEAKER_00: There was something else that we had.
41:49
SPEAKER_00: Hold on.
41:50
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to find your text.
41:52
SPEAKER_00: Check the notes.
41:53
SPEAKER_00: I was sending things as they occurred to me.
41:58
SPEAKER_01: I didn't even look at your notes.
42:00
SPEAKER_01: I'm just looking at text.
42:01
SPEAKER_00: Why do I do these things?
42:03
SPEAKER_00: I don't even know.
42:05
SPEAKER_00: This is a great transition.
42:07
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yes.
42:09
SPEAKER_01: No, you had the note about Virginia and New York.
42:13
SPEAKER_01: Yes, there's speed running.
42:15
SPEAKER_01: And the consequences of our own actions.
42:19
New York Mondani is demanding that the state implement a
42:26
massive wealth tax to pay
42:30
SPEAKER_00: or else they're going to have to cut.
42:33
SPEAKER_00: The New York City budget is higher than the budget of Tokyo.
42:39
I think it's something like twice as much as the budget of
42:43
Tokyo and has fewer citizens in it.
42:47
SPEAKER_00: It is absolutely insane.
42:51
SPEAKER_00: They have a ridiculous budget.
42:56
SPEAKER_00: What is this?
42:57
SPEAKER_00: You sent me a text, didn't you?
42:59
SPEAKER_01: No, I just saw something from earlier.
43:02
SPEAKER_01: My phone just reconnected from earlier.
43:04
SPEAKER_01: So, sorry.
43:06
SPEAKER_00: So, they are...
43:12
SPEAKER_00: I don't know, some massive amount of billions of dollars.
43:16
He's demanding that the governor give him all this extra tax
43:20
money from a wealth tax or else.
43:24
SPEAKER_00: And he is also...
43:27
SPEAKER_00: regardless of if he gets to this,
43:28
they're cutting the 5,000 police officers and massively cutting
43:33
the New York City
43:34
SPEAKER_00: budget,
43:34
SPEAKER_00: which I pointed out that he said he was going to do that.
43:39
SPEAKER_00: They are defunding the police.
43:42
SPEAKER_00: He ran in his campaign.
43:43
SPEAKER_00: There are so many quote unquote centrist Democrats that I am mutuals with
43:48
SPEAKER_00: who insisted in the run-up to the election,
43:50
SPEAKER_00: who live in New York City,
43:51
SPEAKER_00: who flipped and said,
43:53
SPEAKER_00: I'm voting for Mom Donnie.
43:54
SPEAKER_00: He didn't mean any of that stuff.
43:56
SPEAKER_00: He means the stuff he's saying now.
43:58
He's like,
43:58
no,
43:59
he meant the stuff that he was saying when he didn't need your
44:01
vote.
44:02
SPEAKER_00: Now that he needs your vote, the stuff that he's saying is lies.
44:06
SPEAKER_00: And once again, vindicated.
44:07
SPEAKER_00: I'm correct.
44:10
SPEAKER_00: Similarly,
44:11
SPEAKER_00: in Virginia,
44:12
SPEAKER_00: you have Abigail Spanberger who ran as a – now,
44:15
SPEAKER_00: granted,
44:15
SPEAKER_00: the Republicans ran a terrible candidate.
44:17
SPEAKER_00: I like – Winsome Sears has a great story.
44:20
SPEAKER_00: She is not a good candidate.
44:22
SPEAKER_01: Great person.
44:22
SPEAKER_01: Horrible candidate.
44:23
SPEAKER_00: Horrible candidate.
44:26
SPEAKER_00: However,
44:27
Virginia elected an Abigail Spanberger who ran as a centrist
44:30
Democrat who is
44:33
SPEAKER_00: immediately tried to install just this massive number.
44:37
SPEAKER_00: Everyone knows about the gerrymandering thing,
44:39
SPEAKER_00: the thing they're trying to do,
44:40
SPEAKER_00: which is meeting significant judicial headwinds.
44:43
SPEAKER_00: But just a wish list of insane Democratic policy positions.
44:48
SPEAKER_00: And now companies are fleeing.
44:51
SPEAKER_00: Virginia.
44:52
SPEAKER_00: She's been in office for what, like all of a month?
44:56
Companies are actively fleeing Virginia because of the
44:59
uncertainty that she has
45:00
SPEAKER_00: created in the regulatory markets in Virginia.
45:03
Democratic governance is speedrunning just all of the problems
45:08
of socialism when
45:09
SPEAKER_00: you have somewhere else you can go.
45:12
New York is seeing a hemorrhage of yet more of a hemorrhage of
45:16
wealth of wealthy
45:16
SPEAKER_00: people leaving as their money is getting threatened.
45:20
SPEAKER_00: And Virginia is seeing all the companies leave.
45:22
SPEAKER_00: So I don't I don't know where this ends.
45:25
SPEAKER_01: Did you see my lovely?
45:26
SPEAKER_01: Oh, so conservative state is leaving.
45:31
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
45:31
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
45:32
SPEAKER_01: And that is of note because Colorado,
45:35
SPEAKER_01: while there's a host of problems,
45:38
SPEAKER_00: quote unquote libertarian.
45:40
SPEAKER_01: Well, hold on a little bit.
45:43
SPEAKER_01: Colorado is actually very, very good to businesses.
45:46
SPEAKER_01: Our business tax rate is very low.
45:48
SPEAKER_01: We have one of the lowest corporate tax rates in the nation.
45:52
SPEAKER_01: Colorado has a great environment for recruiting and retaining businesses.
45:57
It's the quality of life for the people that live here that has
46:00
taken a nosedive.
46:01
SPEAKER_01: But on the business side, we haven't really had that yet.
46:04
This is the first time a major business is up and leaving
46:09
because of quality of
46:10
SPEAKER_01: life issues,
46:11
SPEAKER_01: not just because of business issues.
46:14
SPEAKER_01: Palantir was regularly protested all of the time.
46:18
The greatest thing is usually when businesses leave,
46:21
they will notify governor's
46:24
and say like,
46:24
hey,
46:25
we're moving to Miami because we can't deal with this anymore.
46:30
SPEAKER_01: In doing that, usually they can get a much better deal.
46:33
SPEAKER_01: Palantir was saying, we don't care about a better deal.
46:36
SPEAKER_01: We have a great deal in Colorado.
46:38
SPEAKER_01: We're probably getting not as great a deal in Florida.
46:41
SPEAKER_01: We can't do it in Colorado anymore.
46:43
SPEAKER_01: So it is actually really significant to see.
46:46
SPEAKER_01: It is going to be a massive hit to our economy.
46:48
SPEAKER_01: It
46:49
removes a ton of jobs,
46:51
and it is all because of that quality of life issue.
46:54
SPEAKER_01: So it is more notable.
46:56
SPEAKER_01: It's a lot like when Tesla and SpaceX moved out of California.
47:01
That was regulation,
47:02
but it also was a quality of life thing,
47:04
especially during COVID.
47:06
SPEAKER_01: Palantir's is going to be mostly a quality of life issue,
47:10
SPEAKER_01: and I think it's notable for that reason.
47:12
SPEAKER_01: Cool.
47:13
SPEAKER_00: Well,
47:13
I think it should be acknowledged that with both Elon Musk's
47:18
companies and with
47:19
SPEAKER_00: Palantir,
47:20
SPEAKER_00: yes,
47:21
SPEAKER_00: it is certainly in the California's case,
47:24
SPEAKER_00: it is regulatory and quality of life.
47:26
SPEAKER_00: In Colorado, it's clearly quality of life.
47:29
SPEAKER_00: Both of these companies are companies that are,
47:32
SPEAKER_00: I think,
47:33
SPEAKER_00: also interested in making a political statement with the move.
47:39
SPEAKER_00: about what is, about the current state of things.
47:43
SPEAKER_00: Like,
47:43
SPEAKER_00: you know,
47:44
SPEAKER_00: I think that,
47:46
SPEAKER_00: not to say the stated reasons aren't valid and aren't a big part of it,
47:51
SPEAKER_00: but also I think it is a,
47:54
they're voting with their wallets and making it very clear that
47:58
they are voting
47:58
SPEAKER_00: with their wallets.
48:00
So it is in itself a political statement when they're perfectly
48:03
allowed to make,
48:03
SPEAKER_00: that you can move your company wherever you want.
48:07
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, no, Colorado has massive governmental problems.
48:12
SPEAKER_00: We all know this.
48:13
SPEAKER_00: They have driven,
48:16
they're driving out all sorts of people and now companies
48:24
through their choices
48:25
SPEAKER_00: they're making as far as on social issues.
48:28
Social issues and economic issues are not as clearly cut
48:32
divided as I think many
48:33
SPEAKER_00: people often think.
48:35
SPEAKER_00: they feed into each other a lot.
48:38
SPEAKER_00: Um, so what you, Colorado is it now?
48:41
SPEAKER_00: It just has a reputation as being the state of rich liberals now.
48:44
And I think it is both rich liberals and very poor people on
48:49
the dole from rich liberals.
48:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
48:53
SPEAKER_01: Our,
48:53
SPEAKER_01: our government programs,
48:54
SPEAKER_01: like being on the dole here,
48:56
SPEAKER_01: isn't quite as big an issue as other places.
49:00
SPEAKER_01: Um,
49:02
SPEAKER_01: It used to be a fiercely independent,
49:05
SPEAKER_01: like,
49:05
SPEAKER_01: middle class state,
49:07
SPEAKER_01: and the middle class is rapidly leaving,
49:10
SPEAKER_01: and we are being squeezed like never before.
49:14
SPEAKER_01: They are obsessed with, you know, social improvements.
49:18
SPEAKER_01: They're obsessed with gender ideology.
49:21
There are so many problems in this state right now that make it
49:24
so inhospitable,
49:26
and
49:27
I personally thank Palantir for leaving and leaving in such a
49:31
dramatic fashion that
49:33
SPEAKER_01: maybe at some point someone will ask a question.
49:36
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
49:36
I think it's going to have to get really bad for us to be able
49:39
to get good again.
49:41
SPEAKER_01: And we're already pretty bad,
49:42
but I think it's going to have to get worse for us to like
49:45
actually realize what's
49:46
SPEAKER_00: happening and go back.
49:49
SPEAKER_00: In New York City and Colorado and Virginia,
49:54
Historically,
49:55
in a lot of places,
49:56
historically,
49:57
there was a pendulum effect where,
50:02
SPEAKER_00: things would get bad enough, eventually they'd elect a Republican.
50:05
SPEAKER_00: The Republican would fix things as best he could,
50:09
and then take all the blame for all the pain that was caused by
50:12
him fixing the
50:12
SPEAKER_00: things,
50:13
and then it would swing back the Democrats for a while and
50:15
rinse and repeat.
50:16
SPEAKER_00: Things have gotten so divisive now.
50:20
SPEAKER_00: I don't know how possible that is in Virginia.
50:23
SPEAKER_00: Obviously, they just had, they said, Youngkin, New York and Colorado,
50:27
SPEAKER_00: I don't know how because there is such a large reservoir of wealthy,
50:32
very motivated people who literally believe the Republican
50:35
Party is trying to
50:37
SPEAKER_00: install fascism in the United States.
50:41
I don't know that it is possible at this point for an actual
50:44
Republican to win.
50:46
So where I'll push back against that is it's not as baked in
50:49
the cake here.
50:50
SPEAKER_01: This is a recent thing until the end of the early 2000s.
50:56
SPEAKER_01: It was like 2008.
50:58
SPEAKER_01: Everything switched over.
50:59
SPEAKER_01: We Republicans held all three.
51:03
SPEAKER_01: seats in Colorado.
51:05
SPEAKER_01: This is a recent thing made much, much worse by COVID.
51:09
SPEAKER_01: A lot of it is a transitory population that has come from California.
51:14
I say as a native Californian,
51:17
but I've been in Colorado for a very long time.
51:20
So if Californians say,
51:23
hey,
51:23
this is so unaffordable,
51:25
which we are at the point that it's
51:29
SPEAKER_01: They don't realize like, oh, this is so unaffordable.
51:31
SPEAKER_01: Maybe I'll vote a different way.
51:33
SPEAKER_01: They're just going to move.
51:35
SPEAKER_01: So we'll see how that all plays out.
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SPEAKER_00: I really hate to break it to you.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not beyond repair.
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SPEAKER_00: 2008 was a long time ago now.
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SPEAKER_00: OK, stop it.
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SPEAKER_00: In 2008,
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Florida was a reliable Democrat state that was somewhat turning
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into a Republican
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SPEAKER_00: swing state.
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SPEAKER_01: But that's kind of what I'm saying.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, it's it's not the difference.
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Number wise isn't so big that it can't be overcome like Florida
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has that Virginia had.
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SPEAKER_01: Virginia's lost forever now.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, it depends what the courts do.
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If Trump was serious and got rid of some of the federal
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government's stranglehold
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SPEAKER_01: in Colorado,
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SPEAKER_01: there are so many federal departments.
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SPEAKER_01: We're behind Washington, D.C., like percentage of population.
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SPEAKER_01: We are one of the highest population of federal employees.
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SPEAKER_01: If you got rid of some of that,
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SPEAKER_01: which was largely concentrated under Obama era,
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SPEAKER_01: if you spread some of that out,
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There are little things that could make a huge difference in
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our electorate here.
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Which I could see doing because I believe Trump specifically
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hates Jared Polis,
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I think.
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SPEAKER_00: I believe Jared Polis is one of the people who invokes his ire.
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Which is funny because we're actually going to get way worse in
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Mike Johnson.
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SPEAKER_01: Like Jared Polis is a broken clock who is right twice a day.
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I think the two times a day rule will be completely gone with
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Mike Johnson.
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SPEAKER_01: Like he's not going to be right at all.
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There's a certain person who could have run for governor of
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Colorado but didn't
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SPEAKER_00: throw her hat into the ring.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, God, no.
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SPEAKER_00: With Courtney O'Dell.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
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No,
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I say far too many ludicrous things to ever be elected to any
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kind of office.
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Also,
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having worked in politics,
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I have zero desire to ever be the politician.
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SPEAKER_01: I've only ever... I think...
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Um,
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you know,
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when I was in college,
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I was like,
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maybe I'll run for something someday.
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SPEAKER_01: Then I worked in it and I was like, that is my idea of a death sentence.
53:48
SPEAKER_01: Like if I was going to have to go to prison for something,
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they may as well just have me run for office because that to me
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would be prison.
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SPEAKER_01: Especially, especially community or, uh,
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SPEAKER_01: What am I thinking of?
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SPEAKER_01: County commissioner.
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SPEAKER_01: County commissioner is my version of hell.
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I think it is the depressing truth of the modern world that
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only the worst and most
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insane people would run for public office because anyone who is
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worth voting for
54:18
SPEAKER_00: probably finds the idea of running for public office horrible.
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I really like that you included me in that as though I am
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anyone worth voting for
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SPEAKER_01: because I'm not.
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SPEAKER_00: I'd vote for you.
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SPEAKER_01: No, you wouldn't.
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SPEAKER_01: No, you wouldn't.
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SPEAKER_00: You would not.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't think I would vote for you for president.
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Only because I strongly suspect that you would be too
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pro-Serbian for my tastes as
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SPEAKER_00: president in your foreign policy.
54:50
SPEAKER_00: But...
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SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, my foreign policy would be so crazy.
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SPEAKER_01: I would be impeached within the hour.
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SPEAKER_01: Within the hour, I'd be like, we're moving on to the Balkans.
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SPEAKER_00: It's time to launch the final crusade.
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SPEAKER_00: Make the Balkans Serbian again.
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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we're taking back the august sophia now oh are you kidding me
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that would happen
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before i was even before the chair was even warm all right well
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don't anyone ever
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SPEAKER_00: elect me to anything we've we've slowed off the rails in this little more
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freewheeling episode than normal but i think you did a good job
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anyway we you know
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SPEAKER_00: just
55:42
SPEAKER_00: A bit more of a chat.
55:42
SPEAKER_00: Nothing really has happened in that mind.
55:45
Everyone's kind of in a holding pattern because everyone keeps
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expecting we're
55:49
SPEAKER_00: about to invade Iran.
55:51
SPEAKER_00: So I feel like we're all just kind of like,
55:53
SPEAKER_00: you know,
55:53
SPEAKER_00: treading water waiting for the actual news to drop.
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Which I am somewhat concerned with and don't even want to speak
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about because I am
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SPEAKER_01: possibly going to Armenia soon.
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SPEAKER_00: You can still go.
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SPEAKER_00: There's barely even a border there.
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SPEAKER_00: It doesn't matter.
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SPEAKER_00: I looked at a map.
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SPEAKER_00: There's a little tiny connector down at the bottom.
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SPEAKER_00: No one cares.
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SPEAKER_00: No one's messing with Armenia.
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_00: Even the Iranians don't know where Armenia is.
56:18
SPEAKER_00: Let's be honest.
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I think most people in Armenia look at a globe and they're not
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sure where Armenia.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm just playing honest here.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's because Armenia is actually a different country.
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SPEAKER_01: But that's for another day.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, it is.
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SPEAKER_01: All right.
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SPEAKER_01: I think we did it.
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SPEAKER_01: Bye.