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Guest Host Veronique Mead interviews Ton Mazzone · The Trauma Therapist

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Trauma Therapist Podcast. My name is Guy McPherson.
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  Speaker 1: I interview incredible people who've dedicated their lives to helping
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  Speaker 1: those who've been.
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  Speaker 2: Impacted by trauma.
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  Speaker 1: A big thank you to our sponsors and our guests
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  Speaker 1: who are supporting this show.
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  Speaker 3: Hello everyone.
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  Speaker 4: My name is Veronique Mead and I used to be
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  Speaker 4: a family doctor and I retrained as a somatic trauma therapist.
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  Speaker 4: ended up specializing in the role of trauma as a
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  Speaker 4: really under-recognized risk factor for chronic illness. And so what
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  Speaker 4: I get to do today is be a guest host.
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  Speaker 4: So thank you, Guy McPherson, for inviting me to host
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  Speaker 4: on the Trauma Therapist Podcast. And I am hosting Ton
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  Speaker 4: Mazone today. He is the creator, the filmer, the editor,
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  Speaker 4: the producer of a new documentary that's just come out
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  Speaker 4: looking at the also really under-recognized role of trauma as
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  Speaker 4: a risk factor for mental health diagnoses.
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  Speaker 3: So Tan, welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, Veronique. It's a pleasure to
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  Speaker 2: speak to you again.
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  Speaker 3: Great to have you.
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  Speaker 4: I wonder if you would start with just telling us
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  Speaker 4: a bit about Traumality and what sparked this whole idea.
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  Speaker 5: So Traumality has been four years in the making. I
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  Speaker 5: created this documentary because I felt it was needed. Throughout
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  Speaker 5: my 20s, I suffered really badly with my mental health,
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  Speaker 5: specifically social anxiety, anxiety.
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  Speaker 2: Symptoms and depression symptoms.
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  Speaker 5: I was really socially anxious to the extent where in
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  Speaker 5: social situations, I found it very hard to communicate without
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  Speaker 5: stumbling my words and shaking, trembling, my heart pounding. And
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  Speaker 5: it led to a lot of like really awkward interactions.
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  Speaker 5: I couldn't really connect with people and it affected everything.
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  Speaker 5: It affected my work. I wanted to be an actor
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  Speaker 5: and I couldn't even do that. I couldn't be in
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  Speaker 5: front of a camera without having that, you know, without
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  Speaker 5: going into a state of fight or flight, which is
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  Speaker 5: what I know that that's what it was. And so
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  Speaker 5: it affected my life so much. And I used to
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  Speaker 5: self-soothe by taking drugs, you know, class A drugs and
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  Speaker 5: drinking alcohol. because that's, that's what actually calms my nervous system.
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  Speaker 5: And I could actually be more myself whilst doing that.
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  Speaker 5: So I went to my GP, general practitioner in the UK,
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  Speaker 5: and I was, and I was hoping to get this, okay,
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  Speaker 5: what has happened?
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  Speaker 2: You know, what, what is it that what's going on?
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  Speaker 5: And they just said, you've got this diagnosis of social anxiety,
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  Speaker 5: anxiety and depression, and here's the medication that's going to
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  Speaker 5: help you. And intuitively, I just, it just felt wrong.
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  Speaker 5: And I left feeling more broken than I did when
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  Speaker 5: I went in because that just reinforced the fact that
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  Speaker 5: I am the.
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  Speaker 2: Problem, you know, you are the problem.
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  Speaker 5: And so it's been.
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  Speaker 2: A journey since then.
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  Speaker 5: And it took me, you know, I went on, I
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  Speaker 5: turned to spiritual healing practices. I had like a spiritual
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  Speaker 5: awakening where everything just in my life just crumbled. And
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  Speaker 5: eventually I learned about trauma and what you know, the
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  Speaker 5: different nervous system states and what can be traumatic, the
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  Speaker 5: different experiences in your family home, the different attachments. And
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  Speaker 5: I really resonated with it. And it wasn't until I
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  Speaker 5: was able to address those traumas from my life that
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  Speaker 5: my symptoms started to alleviate. And it just got me thinking, like,
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  Speaker 5: why wasn't I taught this at school? Why did my
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  Speaker 5: Why didn't my GP know about this? Why wasn't, you know,
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  Speaker 5: why isn't this public information? And so I wanted to
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  Speaker 5: create this documentary for the younger version of me, you know,
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  Speaker 5: the documentary I wish I came across in the hope
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  Speaker 5: that it reaches anybody else who is also going through
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  Speaker 5: what I went through.
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  Speaker 4: It's sort of this documentary, the amount of social interactions
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  Speaker 4: you've had to do to create this documentary. And you've
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  Speaker 4: interviewed Peter Levine, Dick Schwartz with IFS, Deb Dana with
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  Speaker 4: the polyvagal theory. You've interviewed, you've got 22, and I
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  Speaker 4: got to be interviewed with you as well. All this
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  Speaker 4: that you've covered and this message of how little this
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  Speaker 4: is known in the general population. I, 25 years ago,
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  Speaker 4: was developing disabling fatigue. I had no idea about trauma
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  Speaker 4: being related to anything beyond PTSD. I hadn't learned anything
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  Speaker 4: about it in my medical training. We're still not learning
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  Speaker 4: about it.
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  Speaker 3: And so.
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  Speaker 4: Part of what your really big motivation has been is to,
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  Speaker 4: what you just said, really help people get this information
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  Speaker 4: because this is no longer.
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  Speaker 3: Just a woo-woo, maybe this is linked. The research is there.
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  Speaker 4: The foundations, we know it's biologically based, physiology based. This
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  Speaker 4: is not something that's in our heads anymore.
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  Speaker 3: And so, yeah, and what you're working.
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  Speaker 4: With now, you know, tell us about how you're working
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  Speaker 4: at this as a movement. What's going on since you've
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  Speaker 4: just released this when we're talking now? It's been about
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  Speaker 4: a month, just a few weeks, actually, that you've released
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  Speaker 4: it worldwide.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, listen, I had the intention of creating not
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  Speaker 5: just a film, but also a resource that can be
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  Speaker 5: used to educate and to actually inspire. spark a conversation
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  Speaker 5: or continue a conversation that's already happening in the hope
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  Speaker 5: that it then can spark some change and, you know, and, and,
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  Speaker 5: and that sort of thing. And I'm blown away by
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  Speaker 5: the response so far as it's, you know, immediately being
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  Speaker 5: used for that. So I have a screening next week
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  Speaker 5: within the NHS.
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  Speaker 4: National health service in the UK.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So in the UK, that's our national health services are,
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  Speaker 5: it's our health service. And so, it's being used. We're
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  Speaker 5: having a screening and we, we've, uh, the lady who's
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  Speaker 5: organized it, who's a doctor in, in the NHS has
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  Speaker 5: invited like decision makers within the NHS and practitioners and, uh,
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  Speaker 5: health practitioners.
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  Speaker 2: To watch this film.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm, I'm blown away that, that it's been used
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  Speaker 5: for that. It's being used in different sorts of communities.
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  Speaker 5: So I've got, uh, like, um, it's been sponsored by
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  Speaker 5: an event in, in sort of our premier in Ireland,
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  Speaker 5: which is, I can't remember the name of the organization,
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  Speaker 5: but they're, they're an alcohol and alcoholics based, um, organization
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  Speaker 5: because we know that trauma can lead to self-soothing symptoms, uh,
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  Speaker 5: you know, us leading us to our self-soothing like drinking
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  Speaker 5: alcohol or taking drugs and stuff. And so a lot
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  Speaker 5: of people who have addictions have trauma histories. And so, um,
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  Speaker 5: And yeah, so it's been used in so many different settings.
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to Australia, I'm doing a tour around there.
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  Speaker 5: Their indigenous population have experienced a lot of trauma. And so,
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  Speaker 5: you know, a lot of them have been labeled as
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  Speaker 5: either angry or, you know, that type of thing. And
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  Speaker 5: so we have like indigenous leaders, which are going to
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  Speaker 5: be on panels and talks because they've experienced a lot
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  Speaker 5: of trauma. So I'm just kind of riding that wave
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  Speaker 5: at the moment and just I want this film to
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  Speaker 5: be used wherever it can be. And yeah, I'm really
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  Speaker 5: blown away by the fact it's making that impact so far.
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  Speaker 4: And this impact, again, it's not just a film. The
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  Speaker 4: documentary is so much about educating on so many levels.
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  Speaker 4: And one of the most exciting things for me in
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  Speaker 4: the documentary, you've broken it down into four chapters.
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  Speaker 3: And in the fourth chapter, you talk about.
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  Speaker 4: What some people are doing with this information. And it's
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  Speaker 4: about Scotland's first, the whole country going trauma-informed. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know if you could say a little bit more about
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  Speaker 4: that and what they're- Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So in creating this film, it's into four sections. So
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  Speaker 5: the first section is about the psychoeducation.
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  Speaker 2: So what is trauma?
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  Speaker 5: What happens to us when we experience a traumatic event?
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  Speaker 5: What are the things that can can leave a lasting impact,
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  Speaker 5: how does it get stored in the body, all of
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  Speaker 5: those different things. Second section is about the evidence. The
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  Speaker 5: third section is about the mental health industry. And so
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  Speaker 5: I just kind of went on my journey and learned
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  Speaker 5: all these different things. But the last section, as you mentioned,
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  Speaker 5: the trauma-informed section, as I was exploring this whole journey
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  Speaker 5: on trauma, I found that there were pockets of society
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  Speaker 5: that were becoming trauma-informed.
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  Speaker 2: And that means looking and.
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  Speaker 5: Seeing people through the lens of potentially their past experiences
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  Speaker 5: and how that could be showing up today. And Scotland
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  Speaker 5: are one of the first nations that have started this
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  Speaker 5: trauma transformation program where in all different layers of society,
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  Speaker 5: so like lawyers are trauma-informed, dentists, doctors, schools, where people
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  Speaker 5: you understand that somebody's behavior, the way they present their
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  Speaker 5: past experiences can be showing up in, in that. And
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  Speaker 5: so it's about like, okay, so understanding that information, but
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  Speaker 5: then how do we become responsive to that?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 5: And I think that's the most important key to, to, to,
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  Speaker 5: to that. And so it's just about being more compassionate.
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  Speaker 5: It's about, understanding people more. And I think a lot of,
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  Speaker 5: when you don't have the understanding, you know, some people
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  Speaker 5: can seem a bit short or they don't show up fully,
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  Speaker 5: or they can be a bit sharper or, you know,
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  Speaker 5: we all have different trauma responses and they show up
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  Speaker 5: in different ways and it's, it's understanding it and then
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  Speaker 5: being able to respond to, can really change people's lives
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  Speaker 5: for one, but change outcomes in different, in those different things.
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  Speaker 5: You know, we, we know that most people that have been,
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  Speaker 5: that are incarcerated have experienced trauma. You know, these can
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  Speaker 5: lead to risky behavior. And as I mentioned about addictions,
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  Speaker 5: you know, a lot of people with trauma backgrounds need to, well,
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  Speaker 5: they turn to drinks or alcohol, drugs, And so, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: so we wanted to highlight this in the film and
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  Speaker 5: show that people are actually making that change and also
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  Speaker 5: to encourage different communities to kind of see, okay, people
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  Speaker 5: are doing the work.
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  Speaker 2: Now, what can I do?
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  Speaker 4: You know, in the example of Scotland, Suzanne Zedike has been,
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  Speaker 4: is an American who's been there for 30 years.
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  Speaker 3: You interview her as well.
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  Speaker 4: And she gives, and I've been digging into some of
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  Speaker 4: the history since then.
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  Speaker 3: About how Glasgow used to be known.
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  Speaker 4: As the murder capital of Europe, however that was thought
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  Speaker 4: of with all the data. And that in 2005 in Scotland,
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  Speaker 4: when they first started looking into this, they'd asked two,
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  Speaker 4: I believe they were police officers or commissioners, to look
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  Speaker 4: at what's going on with this violence reduction unit. What's
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  Speaker 4: going on that leads to this violence? And please find
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  Speaker 4: us the root cause. And what they kept going back
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  Speaker 4: to was, oh my goodness, it's with attachment and bonding
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  Speaker 4: and and the pre and perinatal experiences. And if we
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  Speaker 4: can work with that, it changes this here, everything. And
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  Speaker 4: there's some videos out on YouTube for free that describe
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  Speaker 4: how they first started to.
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  Speaker 3: Think about that.
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  Speaker 4: But then how the film Resilience, that documentary, they started
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  Speaker 4: showing that in one, I think it was in Glasgow,
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  Speaker 4: maybe their first time installing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't remember exactly where she did it, but
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  Speaker 5: Suzanne actually led that run of that film. And I
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  Speaker 5: didn't know, I didn't know about it until I actually
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  Speaker 5: spoke to Suzanne, which was very late into the documentary.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't realize it was actually already a film that
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  Speaker 5: had made an impact. And, um, yeah, that's what led
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  Speaker 5: to that, that global understanding, sorry, that national understanding of
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  Speaker 5: trauma is like the.
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  Speaker 2: Different communities were screening this film more than understood.
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  Speaker 5: It gave them the kind of the energy and the,
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  Speaker 5: the awareness to, to want to kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 5: push that forward. And, um, And yeah, that's what started
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  Speaker 5: the ACEs movement in Scotland.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And when they're looking at it, I've seen that there
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  Speaker 4: is this discussion of, okay, so you become trauma informed,
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  Speaker 4: then how do you really implement it?
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  Speaker 3: And that's still a big thing that they're working with.
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  Speaker 3: But even with what?
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  Speaker 2: No, it's at 100% of agreeing with what you said.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And that that now it got really going in 2017.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was someone in the government at the
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  Speaker 4: medical level who helped begin to implement this, but that
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  Speaker 4: their murder rate has dropped by 60% in Glasgow. It's
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  Speaker 4: no longer got that infamous label. It's made a difference
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  Speaker 4: even at this becoming informed level and throughout all these layers.
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  Speaker 4: And so- I think part of what you're doing and
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  Speaker 4: part of what's so exciting about hosting you here with
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  Speaker 4: all these other people here who are understanding trauma and
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  Speaker 4: working with trauma is what Dr. Jessica Taylor, another person
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  Speaker 4: you interview, talks about how do we not pathologize and
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  Speaker 4: stop pathologizing symptoms at all kinds of layers, including chronic illness,
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  Speaker 4: because of what we're learning about these roots that really
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  Speaker 4: make a significant contribution.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: I want to host one in Boulder, Colorado.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to take some steps with that to see
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  Speaker 4: how to make that happen.
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  Speaker 2: I'd love to take it there, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That'd be great. We need to have some here in
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  Speaker 3: the U.S.
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  Speaker 4: For people to screen live this documentary, Traumality.
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  Speaker 3: What else can be helpful? What else can people do
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  Speaker 3: right now?
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  Speaker 2: In terms of supporting the film? Yeah, you can watch it.
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  Speaker 3: Traumality.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so watching the film is, I think just, as
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  Speaker 5: I mentioned, the film's... it's about awareness, but it's also
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  Speaker 5: about what can you do in your own communities to,
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  Speaker 5: to make it more trauma informed, you know, it's about
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  Speaker 5: speaking to people. It's about passing it on. It's about
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  Speaker 5: embedding it into your community or organization. Um, but in
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  Speaker 5: terms of the film, yeah, I mean, we're, we're, we're,
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  Speaker 5: I've been licensed in the film to so many different
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  Speaker 5: organizations who want to use that film as a way
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  Speaker 5: to get people together. Um, in a room whether it
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  Speaker 5: be virtually so we've got a lot of virtual screenings
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  Speaker 5: and uh or in person so some people are doing
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  Speaker 5: it in uh some organizations are doing it in a
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  Speaker 5: cinema some are doing it in a university some are
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  Speaker 5: doing it in colleges you know wherever you want to
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  Speaker 5: screen it in a room talking about trauma i don't
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  Speaker 5: know it's a very heavy subject and it can be
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  Speaker 5: um And I want to.
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  Speaker 4: Interrupt here for a second because it's a heavy subject,
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  Speaker 4: but one of the things that I loved about your
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  Speaker 4: documentary is you did it in a trauma-informed way. It's
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  Speaker 4: really titrated. The images are beautiful. The images that you
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  Speaker 4: use as examples are beautiful in that description.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not an intimidating movie to watch.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what one of my concerns was as I
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  Speaker 5: was creating it. I don't want to... course I don't
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  Speaker 5: want to re-traumatize people and I have to use b-roll
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  Speaker 5: footage or cutaways to show certain things but also I
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  Speaker 5: had to be careful about what I showed as well
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  Speaker 5: and so I was very particular I did speak to
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  Speaker 5: different people as well to get like second opinions and
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  Speaker 5: certain things I did have to take things out a
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  Speaker 5: little bit as well and like maybe because I like
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  Speaker 5: to sometimes go for impact but In this, you have
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  Speaker 5: to be very careful.
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  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, I.
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  Speaker 5: Try to make it as digestible and easy to digest
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  Speaker 5: as possible. And so I'm grateful that you think so
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  Speaker 5: as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And so I interrupted you in the middle of what
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  Speaker 4: things what people can do and, you know, a couple
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  Speaker 4: other things that people can do in addition to watching it.
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  Speaker 4: And it may be sharing it with clients or other
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  Speaker 4: people in our communities.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Also, like you've mentioned, you would love to get this
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  Speaker 4: film on a.
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  Speaker 3: Platform like Netflix, for example.
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  Speaker 4: And so even tagging Netflix on social media or writing.
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  Speaker 3: A review on IMDb are.
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  Speaker 2: Ways to support this. Exactly.
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  Speaker 5: So once you've watched the film, we have quite a
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  Speaker 5: few IMDb reviews.
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  Speaker 2: And most of them are positive.
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  Speaker 5: You're going to get a few negatives of people who
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  Speaker 5: may not necessarily agree with it or They're very medical-based.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, so yeah, review, talking about it, sharing it
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  Speaker 5: with your networks.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe just start by watching it.
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  Speaker 2: Watching it, yeah. Watching it and then going from there, really.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I suppose just.
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  Speaker 5: And also, I want to point out, this film was
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  Speaker 5: independently created. I didn't receive any funding for this film.
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  Speaker 5: I tried to get funding. I tried to do a
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  Speaker 5: GoFundMe project, when I started the process and I wasn't
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  Speaker 5: unable to get any funding. And so this all came
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  Speaker 5: out of my pocket and I'm not rich. You know,
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  Speaker 5: I live in a two bedroom apartment. I'm a father
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  Speaker 5: to a daughter who I have 50% custody of. I've
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  Speaker 5: had to work all of this creation around being a
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  Speaker 5: dad and it's come out of my own pocket. And
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  Speaker 5: so I don't have a marketing team. I don't have producers.
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  Speaker 5: I'm a one man band with this. And so, any
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  Speaker 5: sort of word of mouth passing this on means a
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  Speaker 5: great deal to me. And I'm really appreciative of everybody
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  Speaker 5: who's so far who's, who's done that and has actually
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  Speaker 5: led to this amazing campaign, which is, which is happening.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm just blown away that it's been able to,
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  Speaker 5: it's been able to do so without literally no budget.
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  Speaker 4: It's kind of this labor of love, right?
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: This passion.
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: And I, you know, I've been, I'm not going to
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: go into detail of the debt that I've got myself into. But,
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: you know, I have made a lot of sacrifices. But
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: it's because I believe in the project. It's not just
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: a film that I've made. It's not that. This is like,
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: it feels like a vocation. This is, I feel almost
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: like what I've been bought on this planet to kind
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: of help push across. And I'm thankful that God has
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: given me the skills to storytelling the way that I
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: do and create impact with with those videos that I
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: can create and so um yeah I posted a video
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: online the other day of there's the Japanese um yeah
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: and this is this is my ikigai you know it's
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: that kind of like what I'm good at what I'm
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: passionate passionate about and when they all kind of intersect
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: this is like traumalities my ikigai and so um yeah.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah and I really want to support you in this
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: this is.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: The role of trauma and chronic illness is mine and.
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: So yeah exactly and that's what I mean I came
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: across your work uh it was literally I remember I
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: was lying on my sofa I'd woken up from a
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: nap I looked on my Instagram. The first post I
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: saw was somebody post something from your website onto Instagram.
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: I clicked on it and I looked through your website
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: and I went, I have to interview this lady. And
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: that's what made me reach out to you. It was
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: just that if I didn't wake up from that nap
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: at that moment and saw that post, it just felt
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: like fate. And so here we are.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Here we are.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: And at the very beginning, because the other piece is
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: you were able to cover the role of trauma in
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: mental health in this particular documentary. But I think you
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: have a whole series of documentaries in your pocket for
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: all the topics that we couldn't cover, whether it's chronic
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: illness or it's intergenerational trauma or.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot to go.
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: 100%.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'd love to do a series.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: And listen, trauma is so nuanced and you can never
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: get everything into a film. And I've done my best
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: to get as much as I can without making it
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: too much information. And so, yeah, that feels like the
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: natural next progression is then going into those different pockets.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: And then also going into the different pockets of the
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: communities that are doing the work and seeing firsthand and
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: seeing that. you know yes so that's also so yeah
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: this is a topic that is so close to my
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: heart because of my own lived experience and there's so
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: much to be done with it and I would love
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: to keep I'd love to just dedicate my life to
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: just doing more of that.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: I think you're dedicated already and so as a place
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: to land as far as getting in touch with you
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: or anything you want to say to.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: End with Yeah, well, my website's traumality.com. That's where you
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: can find the film, but also you can see information
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: about licensing the film and what you can do, et cetera.
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: I'm on social media at Ton Mazone. So that's T-O-N
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: for November, Mazone, M-A-Z-Z-O-N-E. And I'm quite active on LinkedIn
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: as well. And yes, you can find out all that
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: information more about me there.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: We'll see each other online some more and see where
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: this goes.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Perfect. I've enjoyed speaking to you. Thank you.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Thanks, Tom.