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Voyager Set to Make History Again · Made of Stars

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Speaker 3: When made of stars.
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Speaker 3: When we are made of stars, I'm West Carol, joined
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Speaker 3: by my good friend doctor Sean Cruisan from Columbus State
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Speaker 3: Universities Coca Cola Space Science Center.
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Speaker 2: Hey Sean, Hey Wes, good morning, Good to be here.
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Speaker 3: We have Made of Stars Live coming up and a
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Speaker 3: little over a week as we record this November the first.
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Speaker 3: We will talk about that a little bit later on
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Speaker 3: in the show, but we're excited about the opportunity to
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Speaker 3: sit down in front of an audience and do what
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Speaker 3: we do.
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Speaker 2: Wait, you mean there's people who are going to be there.
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Speaker 3: That's the plan. There's the open invitation, but we'll go
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Speaker 3: through some details on that coming up towards the end
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Speaker 3: of the show. First up, I want to start you
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Speaker 3: sent me some uh, when I get text messages from
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Speaker 3: you that then there's photos involved. There's there's a number
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Speaker 3: of things it could be. It's usually something maybe that's
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Speaker 3: going to be in the sky, or that it was
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Speaker 3: just in the sky. Maybe it's you know, like a
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Speaker 3: historic northern light situation and we're going, oh my god,
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Speaker 3: and then I got a pile of kids in the
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Speaker 3: car and drive to your house, which has happened before.
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Speaker 3: Or it's like, hey, here's an article maybe we could
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Speaker 3: talk about on meta stars. And then sometimes it's just
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Speaker 3: some really cool photo that you got from you know,
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Speaker 3: one of your former students that's you know, working for NASA,
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Speaker 3: and you go, oh, well, this is pretty cool, and
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Speaker 3: that happens to be what it is this time.
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Speaker 2: So before we jump into the connection with my student,
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Speaker 2: which is the reason, by the way, I wanted to
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Speaker 2: talk about the story because it's just cool. But NASA
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Speaker 2: stacked the moon rocket last weekend, right, so that maybe
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Speaker 2: that's the headline here sure is that the Space Launch
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Speaker 2: System big NASA rocket to send to the Moon now
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Speaker 2: has the Orion capsule sitting on top of it. In
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Speaker 2: other words, the actual sports car sitting atop the giant
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Speaker 2: launch system, the sports car that will take human beings
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Speaker 2: around the backside of the Moon for the first time
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Speaker 2: since the nineteen seventies, is now sitting firmly a top
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Speaker 2: of a giant rocket. Now, Wes, this is the same
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Speaker 2: giant rocket main stage booster that you and I got
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Speaker 2: to go down and see arrived down there at Kennedy
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Speaker 2: Space Center just you know, a handful of months ago
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Speaker 2: something like that. So it's something that you and I
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Speaker 2: already have kind of a connection with through that great
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Speaker 2: opportunity that NASA afforded us to actually be on site
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Speaker 2: and watch that main stage booster arrive, and now through
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Speaker 2: the hard work of some dedicated NASA employees, it now
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Speaker 2: has a space capsule sitting on top of it. Now,
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Speaker 2: this is where I'm going to go ahead and tie
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Speaker 2: in my former student, because the images I was receiving
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Speaker 2: over the weekend were just kind of a few a
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Speaker 2: handful of snapshots that were taken by one of the
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Speaker 2: people who used to be an intern right here at
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Speaker 2: Columbus State University's Coca Cola Space Science Center. His named
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Speaker 2: Zach Cocher, and Zach is actually leading a team that
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Speaker 2: working with the integration of the components of the space
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Speaker 2: Launch System. So Zach's main job is actually headquartered at
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Speaker 2: the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama, but Zach
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Speaker 2: had traveled down to the Cape. As Walter Cronkott used
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Speaker 2: to say, he's down at the Cape. So down at
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Speaker 2: the Cape, Zach was with his team there and they
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Speaker 2: were working to put these pieces together that are becoming
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Speaker 2: the next launch vehicle to send human beings back to
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Speaker 2: the Moon. And it's just really fantastic. And of course,
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Speaker 2: you know, he sent me some pretty cool pictures which
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Speaker 2: are awesome. They're out now out released in the main
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Speaker 2: space media equivalent photographs of the same thing happening, which
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Speaker 2: is the Orion capsule being dangled over the main body
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Speaker 2: of that giant rocket in one of the large ceiling
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Speaker 2: bays of the vehicle assembly building down there at Kennedy
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Speaker 2: Space Center. So all of that's really really cool. And Zach,
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Speaker 2: if you're listening, thank you for sending me those images.
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Speaker 2: They're great. Thank you for sharing some of the excitement
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Speaker 2: of you getting to work on this project, which is fantastic.
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Speaker 2: But for the listeners of the show, we're going back
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Speaker 2: to the Moon, friends, We're going to do it, and
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Speaker 2: we're going to take the first Canadian, the first female,
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Speaker 2: and the first African American on board to go ride
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Speaker 2: around the backside of the Moon and come back. And
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Speaker 2: that rocket that's now assembled sitting inside the Vehicle Assembly
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Speaker 2: Building at Kennedy Space Center is the ride. So this
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Speaker 2: is happening people, I think, just me and engaging with
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Speaker 2: the people that come into the Space Science Center, I
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Speaker 2: can tell that people are somewhat aware that we're kind
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Speaker 2: of trying to build a rocket or something to maybe
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Speaker 2: go back to the Moon, and they don't really have
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Speaker 2: any idea where when it is or when that might happen.
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Speaker 2: And I have to just say, no, we're doing it now.
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Speaker 2: We're doing it right now. This is that we're building
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Speaker 2: the rocket right now, everybody, and it's going to go
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Speaker 2: up maybe in February, right, so not very many clicks
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Speaker 2: down the calendar, we're going to try to launch a
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Speaker 2: moon rocket with people on board around the back side
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Speaker 2: of the Moon. It is not some far flung, futuristic,
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Speaker 2: non realizable activity. It is something that is physically taking
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Speaker 2: shape and manifesting today in the high days of the
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Speaker 2: Vehicle Assembly building the VAB at the Kennedy Space Center.
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Speaker 3: It's wild, isn't it to think that there was a
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Speaker 3: time when and we are and we're going to talk
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Speaker 3: space race because we have a story coming up about
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Speaker 3: Artemis three that connects with this, but with the space
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Speaker 3: race involving China. But the fact that you know, when
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Speaker 3: you go back to the Apollo era and rockets for
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Speaker 3: being assembled and people were much more aware of it,
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Speaker 3: even though it was we were much more limited with
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Speaker 3: our news options. And now in the social media era,
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Speaker 3: when there's so many places, i mean, everybody with a
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Speaker 3: cell phone, which is you know, everybody, you know, three
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Speaker 3: year olds have their cell phones. Now, it's harder for
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Speaker 3: people to know this information. And I guess they're just
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Speaker 3: overwhelmed with so much news that they're missing some of
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Speaker 3: these stories that you know are there and the fact
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Speaker 3: that this is something that is in progress and we're
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Speaker 3: making strides towards this. So it's kind of interesting that
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Speaker 3: and maybe that's the two sides of it, to be
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Speaker 3: surprised that they don't know, but then also to kind
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Speaker 3: of understand because they're being bombarded with everything else, and
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Speaker 3: even if it's just sports stories with you know, seventy
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Speaker 3: five different versions of the same.
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Speaker 2: Field goal or whatever, you know from the people.
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Speaker 3: In the attendance, like there's so many different things that
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Speaker 3: they have to see that they're missing things.
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Speaker 2: I guess, you know, sometimes I'm not really a media
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Speaker 2: person except by virtue of the show, and so sometimes
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Speaker 2: I just refrain from commenting about media because I feel
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Speaker 2: like I'm not really an expert. But then I remind
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Speaker 2: myself that, well, actually I'm a minor, tiny component of
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Speaker 2: the much greater media. But I do think that this
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Speaker 2: is true that at one time we were all drinking
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Speaker 2: from the same information streams, so we had the same
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Speaker 2: sources of information as you mentioned, and I felt like
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Speaker 2: there's a lot more unity back then. Now. I'm not
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Speaker 2: saying that more information is a bad thing. Don't hear
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Speaker 2: what I'm not saying. I'm not saying that, But I
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Speaker 2: do think that since we've entered into an age of
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Speaker 2: the information super Highway, we went from a stream of
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Speaker 2: information that we all drank from to a veritable ocean
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Speaker 2: or set of oceans of information that we're all drowning in,
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Speaker 2: and so we don't really know the same. Should I
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Speaker 2: say the word acts probably shouldn't go that far. Our
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Speaker 2: information is drawn from so many different sources that the
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Speaker 2: facts that we find sentient are not necessarily common, right,
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Speaker 2: that I think is true. And that is a rabbit
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Speaker 2: hole that we could go down and spend hours talking about,
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Speaker 2: you know, just probably a podcast right there or something, probably.
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Speaker 3: All by itself. But that's it. And because you say
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Speaker 3: terms like facts and you go, well, and then now
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Speaker 3: we're in this age of people deciding which facts are
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Speaker 3: really facts or not facts based on what they want
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Speaker 3: the facts to be or if they want to be
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Speaker 3: you know, a flat earther.
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Speaker 2: Or we didn't go to the moon or whatever.
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Speaker 3: And you know, they'll they'll find ways to pick apart
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Speaker 3: these these moon trips. But anyway, okay, let's go back
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Speaker 3: to a time when we had I mean, this is relevant,
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Speaker 3: but let's go back to the beginning, a time when
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Speaker 3: we were getting all of our news from the similar stream,
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Speaker 3: and let's talk about Voyager one, but kind of the
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Speaker 3: updated modern version of Voyager one one ready to make
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Speaker 3: history again.
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Speaker 2: Good old Voyager one. It's still out there and it's
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Speaker 2: still doing things. And actually Voyager one is slated to
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Speaker 2: accomplish something that no other spacecraft that ever has And
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Speaker 2: mind you it's already done that. It did that the
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Speaker 2: day it left the Solar System officially, which again, if
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Speaker 2: you haven't, if you haven't been drinking from this information stream,
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Speaker 2: Voyager one was a spacecraft that launched decades ago to
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Speaker 2: go out and investigate planets in the Solar System, and
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Speaker 2: then a few years ago it became the first vehicle
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Speaker 2: to leave what's called the heliopause, which is a boundary
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Speaker 2: of influence of the Sun's solar wind field and magnetic
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Speaker 2: field combined. And so the heliopause is an important scientific
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Speaker 2: boundary that Voyager one crossed in August of twenty twelve. Wes,
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Speaker 2: we did that story, man, we did. We did that
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Speaker 2: story together. We've been doing this a long time. We
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Speaker 2: did it on radio. But Voyager one officially departed the
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Speaker 2: Solar System back in twenty twelve. So the interesting thing
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Speaker 2: is this that it's been it's been outside the Solar
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Speaker 2: System investigating what we now refer to as interstellar space
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Speaker 2: for a number of years. But in November of this
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Speaker 2: year it will cross yet another really important boundary, which
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Speaker 2: is a certain distance, a distance that's about sixteen billion
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Speaker 2: miles from the Earth, but it's equivalent to the distance
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Speaker 2: that light can travel in one day or one twenty
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Speaker 2: four hour period. Now, light travels at a one hundred
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Speaker 2: and eighty six thousand miles every second, one hundred and
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Speaker 2: eighty six thousand miles per second. What if you let
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Speaker 2: it travel for an entire day, well you'll get out
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Speaker 2: around sixteen billion miles. And that is the boundary that
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Speaker 2: the Voyager one space probe is going to cross on
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Speaker 2: the fifteenth of November of next year, twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 2: So it's it's coming. And the interesting thing is the
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Speaker 2: Voyager spacecraft, traveling at around thirty eight thousand miles per hour,
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Speaker 2: has been traveling again for decades. It's just now going
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Speaker 2: to cross the one light day boundary. So we are
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Speaker 2: now looking to a time where our spacecraft are out
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Speaker 2: there exploring the space beyond the stars. And it's just
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Speaker 2: an interesting thing to be looking forward to, right. We
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Speaker 2: know that that again, it's it's us as human beings
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Speaker 2: that kind of like these milestones. There's nothing really special
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Speaker 2: about that distance from the Earth other than we all
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Speaker 2: know intellectually that's how far light would travel in one day.
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Speaker 2: But okay, it's just an interesting milestone that something that
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Speaker 2: we built has managed to travel that far beyond the
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Speaker 2: boundary of the Solar System out into inner stellar space,
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Speaker 2: and now it's clicking off that important milestone within the
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Speaker 2: next thirteen months, which is just kind of interesting, right,
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Speaker 2: So we're all looking forward to the countdown that will
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Speaker 2: occur as Voyager one makes history again. November fifteen, twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty six.
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Speaker 3: We have talked about a number of companies that have
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Speaker 3: done work with NASA over the years. Have we talked
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Speaker 3: about Catalyst Space Technologies before? Is this a new company
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Speaker 3: or is this somebody who's been around for a while,
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Speaker 3: And I'm just not remembering stories with Catalyst Space Technologies.
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Speaker 2: I think I would have remembered them because they're headquartered
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Speaker 2: in Flagstaff, Arizona, which is a town that I've spent
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Speaker 2: all kinds of time in, particularly at the Lole Observatory,
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Speaker 2: doing a lot of the research for my for my
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Speaker 2: various degrees in graduate school. So I don't think that
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Speaker 2: we have talked about them. Now, somebody out there might
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Speaker 2: be going, well, Space Technology has been around for a
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Speaker 2: long time. They've done X, Y and Z. Okay, that's great.
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Speaker 2: I'm not an expert on that company. I didn't know
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Speaker 2: they existing. I don't think we've talked about it much
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Speaker 2: on the podcast, but today's the day, yeah, right, because
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Speaker 2: we just found out through NASA dot Gov that they
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Speaker 2: have they've been awarded a very important contract. And so
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Speaker 2: their contract is is this, They're gonna they're gonna build
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Speaker 2: a vehicle that's gonna go up and grab one of
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Speaker 2: NASA's what we call great observatories. These are observatories that
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Speaker 2: are orbiting the Earth, right, so these are these are
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Speaker 2: not earth bound observatories, they're space bound observatories. There's one
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Speaker 2: called the Nils Garrel's Swift Observatory Neil Garrel Swift Observatory,
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Speaker 2: which is a gamma ray observatory. It looks for these
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Speaker 2: things that we've talked many times about here on the show,
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Speaker 2: which are called gamma ray bursts, and so it's an
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Speaker 2: important piece of technology. It's it's running into the friction
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Speaker 2: of the upper atmosphere. This happens even more during times
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Speaker 2: of extra solar activity, which we have right now as
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Speaker 2: we're in solar maximum, because that extra solar activity, in
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Speaker 2: other words, more activity taking place on the Sun causes
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Speaker 2: more solar wind and more solar flares. All of those
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Speaker 2: particles coming from the Sun cause our atmosphere to swell,
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Speaker 2: and our swelling atmosphere as it rises up, it impacts
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Speaker 2: spacecraft in orbit around the Earth more. It causes more drag,
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Speaker 2: and therefore it causes them to start falling out of
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Speaker 2: the sky. Now, the Swift Observatory has been up there
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Speaker 2: doing great science since two thousand and four, and even
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Speaker 2: though it's a still functioning space telescope, it's not cutting
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Speaker 2: edge technology anymore, just because it's you know, it's a
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Speaker 2: couple of decades old. However, they're going to use it
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Speaker 2: as a test case to see if we can go
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Speaker 2: up and perform the maneuver of docking a spacecraft onto
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Speaker 2: an already existing satellite that was never designed to be
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Speaker 2: docked to before. And that's what the Swift Telescope represents.
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Speaker 2: It's a spacecraft that was never designed to have a
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Speaker 2: servicing mission where another vehicle went up and docked to
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Speaker 2: it and performed various component replacements or repairs. It was
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Speaker 2: just meant for you, built in obsolescence. Once it can't
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Speaker 2: function anymore than just let it fall out of the sky. Well,
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Speaker 2: NASA wants to see if it can go up and
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Speaker 2: grab one of those kinds of spacecraft that was not
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Speaker 2: necessarily designed to have a different vehicle connect to it,
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Speaker 2: But can we grab it anyway, boost it back up
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Speaker 2: in its orbit and therefore extend its life because that
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Speaker 2: kind of emission could be far less expensive than building
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Speaker 2: that space telescope all over again. And so it's kind
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Speaker 2: of a test case experiment and Catalyst Space Technologies of Flagstaff,
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Speaker 2: Arizona has won the contract. If they were able to
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Speaker 2: successfully boost that swift telescope, that would be the first
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Speaker 2: time that a commercial robotic spacecraft has ever captured an
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Speaker 2: uncrude satellite or a satellite not DESI tying to be
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Speaker 2: serviced in space and pushed it back up to a
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Speaker 2: proper and safe orbit. And so it's a really important
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Speaker 2: proof of technology, proof of concept. Can we do this?
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Speaker 2: And we'll be watching. We'll be watching over the next
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Speaker 2: several months as nath is working with Catalyst Space to
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Speaker 2: perform that maneuver.
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Speaker 3: Certainly seems like something that if they can do, this
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Speaker 3: would be something that they would be able to do
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Speaker 3: many many times in the future if this works, and
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Speaker 3: that's pretty exciting.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 3: Coming up after a quick break, we're gonna talk about
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Speaker 3: this another elon Musk thing. We'll get to that next,
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Speaker 3: all right. I kind of teed this up as another
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Speaker 3: Elon Musk thing. Usually when we have Elon Musk things,
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Speaker 3: they're very positive things as it relates to SpaceX and
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Speaker 3: some accomplish or even if they blow something up, it's like, well,
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Speaker 3: but there's a good.
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Speaker 2: Spin on it.
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Speaker 3: They blew something up, but it's so that they cannot
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Speaker 3: blow it up the next time or in three or
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Speaker 3: four more attempts or whatever. And then every now and
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Speaker 3: then we get these Elon Musk stories where it's, you know,
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Speaker 3: Elon having a bit of a social media issue with someone,
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Speaker 3: and it's been the President before, and in this case
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Speaker 3: it's you know, somebody in the cabinet, the Secretary of
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Speaker 3: Transportation who is filling in as the director of NASA
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Speaker 3: at the moment, Sean Duffy. And I guess now we've
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Speaker 3: got Elon not especially happy with Sean Duffy or Sean Dummy.
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Speaker 3: Did he call him sean dummy in the in the
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Speaker 3: in the.
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Speaker 2: Tweet, Yeah, yeah he did. He used the word dummy
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Speaker 2: because Witt has no bounds.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Maybe maybe the smartest human being on
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Speaker 3: the planet, Elon.
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Speaker 2: If you hear this podcast, You're gonna come after me.
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Speaker 2: My name is also Sean, but I don't have an
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Speaker 2: X account, all right, so you have to find some
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Speaker 2: other way because I'll never see your ex insults of me. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and look, Elon, as Wes just said, we talk a
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Speaker 2: lot of really positive things about SpaceX. I happen to
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Speaker 2: be a big fan of the company SpaceX. I like
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Speaker 2: what they do. They do some amazing stuff. I think
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Speaker 2: that the acting director of NASA, whose name is Sean Duffy,
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Speaker 2: also thinks a lot of SpaceX because he came out
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Speaker 2: with this quote. He said, I love this is quote
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Speaker 2: quote of Sean Duffy with F's Duffy quote. I love SpaceX.
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Speaker 2: It's an amazing company. The problem is they're behind. They
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Speaker 2: push their timelines out and we're in a race with
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Speaker 2: China unquote. Now remember that quote started with the words
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Speaker 2: I love SpaceX. Yeah. Well, apparently the CEO of SpaceX
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Speaker 2: does not feel the same, because that would be Elon
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Speaker 2: Musk and Elon's had another muskasm, and his muscasm was
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Speaker 2: a tweet where he just referred to the acting director
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Speaker 2: of NASA as sean dummy. You see what happened. The
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Speaker 2: witticism here is that you replace the f's with the
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Speaker 2: letter M and you make a whole new word, and
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Speaker 2: that word has a different meanings. This is the brevity's
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Speaker 2: the soul of wit. That's right. It's just two f's
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Speaker 2: they're out, you put in two m's comedy.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, this thing that's gotten Musk upset though, is
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Speaker 3: that basically, And then what Sean Duffy is referring to
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Speaker 3: is by saying that that they're behind, is that now,
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Speaker 3: according to Duffy, and NASA is going to reopen competition
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Speaker 3: for the Artemus three moon landing contract. SpaceX already won
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Speaker 3: this thing back in April of twenty twenty one, and
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Speaker 3: I guess we also have a quote there as well
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Speaker 3: from Duffy about about this fact. But the plan is
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Speaker 3: like it's a space race now, it's a space race
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Speaker 3: with China, and the plan is to get people back
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Speaker 3: on the Moon during the Trump presidency.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, as we talked about before the break, we're trying
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Speaker 2: to launch Artemis two to put human beings around the
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Speaker 2: back side of the Earth. And when I say we,
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Speaker 2: I mean the United States of America, the American Space
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Speaker 2: Program of the Moon. You said the Earth? Did I
21:34
Speaker 2: say the Earth? It's that's funny. Well, because we've done
21:37
Speaker 2: that Freudian slip around the back side of the Earth
21:41
Speaker 2: and backside of the Moon and back of the Earth.
21:44
Speaker 3: I can't keep my moons on Earth straight. Hey, this
21:46
Speaker 3: happened this past summer. I took my family to the
21:48
Speaker 3: other side of the Earth. So we did that in Australia.
21:51
Speaker 2: So I'm having my own shot dummy moment right now.
21:55
Speaker 2: I'm the real shot dummy. Now we're we're sending human
21:58
Speaker 2: beings around the backside of the Moon.
22:00
Speaker 3: Yes, as early as.
22:02
Speaker 2: At nighttime sky the Moon and back to the Earth
22:06
Speaker 2: for the first time since nineteen seventy two. Okay, so
22:08
Speaker 2: that's the setup. That's Artemis two. Artemis three is we're
22:12
Speaker 2: actually trying to land people on the surface of the Moon.
22:15
Speaker 2: What does SpaceX have to do with any of that.
22:17
Speaker 2: They're building this giant starship rocket. The plan is for
22:22
Speaker 2: the Orion Capsule to rendezvous with the starship rocket in
22:25
Speaker 2: orbit around the Moon, not the Earth, the Moon, and
22:29
Speaker 2: then the starship rocket takes the astronauts down to the surface.
22:34
Speaker 2: They walk around for a while, they take a few pictures,
22:36
Speaker 2: They buy a couple of postcards, They get back on
22:39
Speaker 2: the Starship Rocket, go back up into orbit around the Moon,
22:43
Speaker 2: they get back docked with the Orion spacecraft, and they
22:46
Speaker 2: come back home again. So that's the plan. Well, you see,
22:49
Speaker 2: NASA then needs SpaceX to complete their Starship rocket so
22:54
Speaker 2: that they can have one waiting in orbit, parked in
22:57
Speaker 2: orbit around the Moon for the ryancapsule to dock with.
23:02
Speaker 2: And yeah, it looks like SpaceX has had a few
23:05
Speaker 2: delays with Starship, and you know, Sean Duffy has voiced
23:09
Speaker 2: concerns that Starship might not be ready for Artemis three,
23:16
Speaker 2: which is in the targeted twenty twenty eight time frame,
23:19
Speaker 2: just a little over two years from now, right ish,
23:22
Speaker 2: something along those lines. And apparently Elon thinks that they
23:27
Speaker 2: will be ready. See because that's when Elon pulls out
23:32
Speaker 2: his big guns and uses words like dummy. So that's
23:38
Speaker 2: kind of where we're at in America today. This is
23:41
Speaker 2: how the titans of industry and government communicate with one another.
23:45
Speaker 2: They get on social media and use words like dummy.
23:50
Speaker 3: So let's play. I want to play Devil's advocate for
23:52
Speaker 3: a minute for the guy calling people dummy. His issue
23:57
Speaker 3: here is that they were awarded the contract, and now
24:01
Speaker 3: NASA says we're going to open it up again. And
24:05
Speaker 3: the quote there from Sean Duffy is that I'm going
24:07
Speaker 3: to let other space companies compete with SpaceX, like Blue Origin.
24:11
Speaker 3: That's what's upset him, and it's but it's the nature
24:17
Speaker 3: of like we're in a space race. I mean, that's
24:20
Speaker 3: kind of the way things work, right as you use
24:22
Speaker 3: competition to It's like a team saying, look, we're getting
24:27
Speaker 3: ready for that beginning of the season. We don't know
24:30
Speaker 3: who our starting quarterback is yet. You know. It's kind
24:33
Speaker 3: of that deal where you're trying to push one guy
24:36
Speaker 3: to be a little better than the other guy and
24:38
Speaker 3: see what they can do. And even if you already know,
24:42
Speaker 3: even if most people have a pretty good idea of
24:44
Speaker 3: who the starting quarterback is going to be. So I mean,
24:47
Speaker 3: that's kind of what's playing out. So I mean I
24:50
Speaker 3: can see both sides of this, I really can.
24:55
Speaker 2: I mean, or you know, maybe Russell Wilson's your starting quarterback, well,
25:00
Speaker 2: and you come out and say, you know, we're going
25:02
Speaker 2: to give the rookie a look, yeah we're gonna or
25:06
Speaker 2: maybe justin fields as your quarterback and and you're an
25:09
Speaker 2: owner and you come out and say, you know, ten
25:11
Speaker 2: interceptions in two weeks seems extreme. I don't know, what
25:14
Speaker 2: do you think.
25:15
Speaker 3: You know, if you're a Giants fan speaking on behalf
25:18
Speaker 3: of you know, the Giants community. You know, if the
25:23
Speaker 3: Jets want Russell Wilson, he wouldn't even have to leave
25:28
Speaker 3: New York. He could. He doesn't even have to like move.
25:31
Speaker 3: He still comes to work to the same place every day.
25:34
Speaker 3: It's not really overly inconvenient. There's it makes sense in
25:39
Speaker 3: a lot of ways. If if they're looking for somebody
25:42
Speaker 3: and the guy can play lights out against the Cowboys,
25:45
Speaker 3: we've learned that if nothing else.
25:49
Speaker 2: So if if only Sean Duffy were looking for someone
25:52
Speaker 2: to play lights out against the Cowboys, yea, then we
25:55
Speaker 2: wouldn't have these Twitter spats. But what he's actually looking
25:57
Speaker 2: for is a human lunar lander to put people on
26:01
Speaker 2: the surface of the Moon. And yes, SpaceX is definitely
26:03
Speaker 2: making progress. But there are other companies who have suggested
26:07
Speaker 2: that their right to compete was maybe a little bit
26:10
Speaker 2: pret maturely preempted in the last contract process. That would
26:14
Speaker 2: be Blue Origin. Of course, they actually filed suits and
26:18
Speaker 2: so Sean Duffy said, Okay, well, we've decided we might
26:21
Speaker 2: let them compete. We might let Blue Origin and any
26:26
Speaker 2: other company that wants to build a lunar lander compete
26:29
Speaker 2: with SpaceX, and if they happen to get a human lander,
26:34
Speaker 2: a certifiable human lander completed before SpaceX, we might swap
26:39
Speaker 2: the contract around. Well, so this is what Elon's very
26:42
Speaker 2: upset about. Sean Duffy added this quote. By the way,
26:46
Speaker 2: just to give the proper attributions, these are quotes published
26:49
Speaker 2: in space on space dot Com. Apparently Sean Duffy did
26:53
Speaker 2: a sit in on CNBC's The Squat Box, and so
26:57
Speaker 2: that's where these quotes came from. Shaan duff If. He
27:00
Speaker 2: went on to say, the President and I want to
27:02
Speaker 2: get to the Moon in this president's term. Now you
27:07
Speaker 2: can understand why that would be important. It's kind of
27:10
Speaker 2: like Kennedy saying we want to do it before the
27:11
Speaker 2: end of the decade. This is Trump Trump, a Trump spokesman,
27:15
Speaker 2: person spokesperson saying we want to get it done before
27:17
Speaker 2: Donald is out right, and so Sean Duffy went on
27:20
Speaker 2: to say, so I'm going to open up the contract.
27:23
Speaker 2: I'm going to let other companies compete with SpaceX, like
27:27
Speaker 2: Blue Origin. Okay, Elon musk another quote from Elon via
27:34
Speaker 2: X said this quote someone whose biggest claim to fame
27:39
Speaker 2: is climbing trees, maybe they shouldn't be running America Space program.
27:45
Speaker 2: This is this is fundamentally what Elon said. What does
27:48
Speaker 2: that mean? Well, it turns out that Sean Duffy, much
27:51
Speaker 2: younger in his life, was on a reality TV show
27:55
Speaker 2: and he also competed in lumber jam competitions. Was a
27:58
Speaker 2: world We all have various verse life. Celon, come on now.
28:01
Speaker 3: World Champion lumberjack. I think I would say, if you
28:06
Speaker 3: want to criticize me for opening up contracts for competition,
28:11
Speaker 3: I wouldn't attack me on the thing that I was
28:13
Speaker 3: a competitor in and apparently good at. I mean, I
28:18
Speaker 3: don't know a whole lot about lumberjacking as a competitive sport.
28:22
Speaker 3: I've been to some lumberjacking competitive sports before, and it's
28:27
Speaker 3: pretty impressive. There was nothing there that I was capable
28:30
Speaker 3: of doing. I don't know that I could even work
28:32
Speaker 3: the chainsaw, like lift the chainsaw that they were using
28:36
Speaker 3: in it. I mean, and like that fair enough, right,
28:39
Speaker 3: There's some pretty serious stuff that they do, and especially
28:42
Speaker 3: for Jack.
28:43
Speaker 2: I've been to Alaska. I've seen some of those.
28:45
Speaker 3: Scurrying up a tree with one of those chainsaws and
28:48
Speaker 3: cutting it down, you know, log by log. It's pretty impressive,
28:54
Speaker 3: you know, Wes.
28:55
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go ahead just say this. I wasn't aware
28:57
Speaker 2: that Sean Duffy's biggest claim to fame was this climbing
29:01
Speaker 2: trees thing, this lumberjack competition. I was under the impression
29:04
Speaker 2: that he was the interim director of NASA, Well, which
29:08
Speaker 2: want to be a bigger claim to fame.
29:09
Speaker 3: And the Secretary of Transportation. I would think that's probably
29:13
Speaker 3: first all. That's probably first on his resume. I would
29:17
Speaker 3: think it doesn't.
29:18
Speaker 2: Have the name recognition of NASA, but okay, sure you
29:21
Speaker 2: can go ahead and use a cabinet post that's mine.
29:23
Speaker 3: It's a pretty good one. I don't know that the
29:26
Speaker 3: lumberjack thing is like at the top, I mean, it's it's.
29:30
Speaker 2: I was unaware of that resume point until this Twitter spat, so.
29:33
Speaker 3: So thanks for bringing that to our attention.
29:35
Speaker 2: Elon.
29:36
Speaker 3: Hey, coming up after one more quick break, we're gonna
29:39
Speaker 3: talk more Elon and Jeff Bezos and Sam Altman and
29:42
Speaker 3: others and Mars. We'll do that next, all right, So
30:07
Speaker 3: we we were at this age now where you have
30:10
Speaker 3: you know, really wealthy people and the people that are
30:13
Speaker 3: you know, working obviously in technology, and they have their
30:17
Speaker 3: opinions on where things are heading when it comes to
30:21
Speaker 3: life off of the planet, they do, and we've got
30:26
Speaker 3: some of their thoughts on that in this next story.
30:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and just as a preference to the
30:32
Speaker 2: last story. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind you know,
30:37
Speaker 2: billionaires twitter spatting. It's actually a pretty good spectator sport.
30:42
Speaker 2: I realize my own place in this world. I could
30:44
Speaker 2: fade off into obscurity at any instant of time with
30:48
Speaker 2: very little contributions to either America Space Program or I
30:51
Speaker 2: beg to different in general.
30:52
Speaker 3: I beg to differ. My friend, if you are inspiring
30:55
Speaker 3: people that are standing there watching the Artemis to get stacked,
31:01
Speaker 3: I think you're you're contributing a lot to the future
31:04
Speaker 3: for Elon and Bezos and all these guys. So you're
31:08
Speaker 3: making a contribution so well, you.
31:11
Speaker 2: Know, and again I appreciate that, but but I'm just saying,
31:14
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm just saying, it's Elon, we love you, baby,
31:18
Speaker 2: we love SpaceX we Made of Stars thinks Elon's great.
31:24
Speaker 2: You could call us grounded from his Twitter account. That's all.
31:27
Speaker 2: Just sometimes mom should step in and say no, I'm
31:30
Speaker 2: blocking your Twitter account for three weeks.
31:31
Speaker 3: Sorry.
31:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all. That's all.
31:34
Speaker 3: If he wants to come on the show at any point,
31:36
Speaker 3: we'll have him on. He can call us both dummy
31:37
Speaker 3: and then we can talk about space.
31:39
Speaker 2: All manner of names. If he would just appear on
31:42
Speaker 2: the Space Made of Stars podcast, that's right, we'd love that.
31:45
Speaker 2: That's right.
31:46
Speaker 3: So let's start. I guess you want to start who
31:48
Speaker 3: do you want to start with? You want to start
31:50
Speaker 3: with Bezos? Yeah, let's start with Bezos.
31:52
Speaker 2: Because this story is the uh, the trifecta of egos
31:57
Speaker 2: that came out and we're quoted in various forms in
32:00
Speaker 2: a Fortune dot Com, Fortune Magazine Fortune dot com story
32:04
Speaker 2: about this. Will there be millions of people inhabiting space
32:09
Speaker 2: by twenty forty five, so Jeff Bezos, well, he sees
32:15
Speaker 2: a bright future for humanity. According to the Fortune dot
32:20
Speaker 2: Com story, Jeff Bezos says millions of people will be
32:25
Speaker 2: living in space by twenty forty five. That's a mere
32:29
Speaker 2: twenty years that's mere two decades from right now. I
32:32
Speaker 2: would say that sounds like a long time, except I
32:34
Speaker 2: remember how short of a time. It feels like the
32:36
Speaker 2: last two decades were ago. Two thousand and five just
32:39
Speaker 2: doesn't seem that far away to be, But okay, seems
32:42
Speaker 2: like plenty of time. How far will the space industry
32:47
Speaker 2: move forward in the next two decades might be a
32:50
Speaker 2: kind of a subtitle question to this. I will say
32:53
Speaker 2: that independent economists have looked at the space economy and
32:57
Speaker 2: say that it's around the six one hundred billion dollar
33:01
Speaker 2: mark right now. The global of space economy is slated
33:05
Speaker 2: to grow, according to these independent economists, to one point
33:09
Speaker 2: eight trillion dollars by the year twenty thirty five. So
33:14
Speaker 2: that is a gigantic jump forward. That number is bigger
33:18
Speaker 2: than the GDP of most countries on Earth, and that's
33:22
Speaker 2: gross gross domestic product, right of most countries on the Earth.
33:26
Speaker 2: So space as an industry is absolutely going to grow.
33:30
Speaker 2: It's just that Jeff Bezos was attending what is called
33:33
Speaker 2: the Italian Tech Week for twenty twenty five and had
33:36
Speaker 2: some interesting comments. And so the founder of Amazon and
33:40
Speaker 2: Blue Origin, that company that's competing with SpaceX now for
33:43
Speaker 2: a spaceland for a moonlander. By the way, so the
33:46
Speaker 2: founders of Blue Origin came out and said, I don't
33:49
Speaker 2: see how anybody can be discouraged. Who's alive right now?
33:53
Speaker 2: Civilization abundance comes from our inventions. By the way, This
33:58
Speaker 2: is not me, this is still Jeff talking. Okay, so
34:00
Speaker 2: quoting Jeff Bezos, civilization abundance comes from our inventions. So
34:06
Speaker 2: ten thousand years ago or whatever it was, remember of
34:09
Speaker 2: quoting Jeff Bezos ten thousand years ago or whatever. It
34:13
Speaker 2: was something like that, somebody invented the plow and we
34:17
Speaker 2: all got richer. I'm talking about all of civilization. These
34:23
Speaker 2: are tools. In These tools increase our abundance, and that
34:27
Speaker 2: pattern will continue. Unquote Okay, I gotta get out of
34:30
Speaker 2: by Jeff Bezos voice here. All of those things were
34:32
Speaker 2: said by Jeff Bezos at the Italian Tech Week. It's
34:35
Speaker 2: an interesting point, right, when we advance technologies that make
34:40
Speaker 2: for the betterment of all human beings, it's never a
34:43
Speaker 2: zero sum game. It pushes all of our fortunes forward
34:48
Speaker 2: and the world wealth grows for everybody because of these inventions.
34:55
Speaker 2: I would claim that recently the cell phone or the
34:58
Speaker 2: invention of the Internet, or before that, the invention of
35:01
Speaker 2: the personal computer, are all examples in relatively recent times
35:07
Speaker 2: of when the paradigms of all of the Earth's economy
35:10
Speaker 2: have shifted forward and everyone got wealthier. So that's Jeff
35:14
Speaker 2: Bezos's point. I'm gonna go back into quoting Jeff one
35:17
Speaker 2: more time. Back into Jeff voice. Here it comes. Quote
35:21
Speaker 2: in the next kind of couple of decades, he said that.
35:25
Speaker 2: By the way, next kind of couple of decades. Okay,
35:28
Speaker 2: back to Jeff voice. In the next kind of couple
35:30
Speaker 2: of decades, I believe there will be millions of people
35:33
Speaker 2: living in space. That's how fast this is going to accelerate.
35:38
Speaker 2: They'll mostly be living there because they want to. We
35:42
Speaker 2: don't need people to live in space. They want to
35:45
Speaker 2: live there. If you need to do some work on
35:48
Speaker 2: the surface of the Moon or elsewhere, we will be
35:50
Speaker 2: able to send robots to do that work, and that
35:53
Speaker 2: will be much more cost effective than sending humans. Unquote Okay,
35:57
Speaker 2: out of Jeff voice. Now those were all his thoughts, right,
36:00
Speaker 2: you know, the things that we need to do, we
36:02
Speaker 2: can just send robots to do that. The things we
36:04
Speaker 2: want to do, well, we'll just go to do that ourselves.
36:07
Speaker 2: So I'm not saying that I completely agree with Jeff
36:10
Speaker 2: on all of these points. I think an actual, living,
36:15
Speaker 2: breathing human geologist on the surface of the Moon or
36:18
Speaker 2: Mars could do more effective work in about fifteen to
36:22
Speaker 2: twenty minutes than one robot could do in about three years.
36:26
Speaker 2: But okay, I do get the point to some degree
36:30
Speaker 2: that there is going to be a robotic component to
36:32
Speaker 2: our leaving the planet and going out and exploring the
36:36
Speaker 2: Solar System. In fact, there already is, but it's going
36:38
Speaker 2: to be followed up with people who just want the
36:41
Speaker 2: adventure of going out there and exploring space. So that's
36:44
Speaker 2: the nature of Jeff Bezos quotes, Well.
36:47
Speaker 3: My first thing, and I use a piece of technology
36:51
Speaker 3: that you referenced in that my phone to verify that
36:55
Speaker 3: the plow was invented about five thousand years ago or
36:59
Speaker 3: ten or you know, something like that in Mesopotamia. I
37:02
Speaker 3: was able to find that pretty quickly while you were talking.
37:05
Speaker 3: So I'd just like to point that out, you know,
37:07
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe maybe Jeff doesn't surf the.
37:09
Speaker 2: Web very much.
37:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he could probably just ask Alexa. That's my guess,
37:13
Speaker 3: if you know, I'm thinking he would have. That's not
37:17
Speaker 3: the new wife, right, that's somebody different.
37:18
Speaker 2: Right.
37:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no, that's the little you know, the device.
37:21
Speaker 3: Actually it's probably triggered actually that I was joking, probably
37:25
Speaker 3: triggered one of mine just in talking about it. But anyway, well,
37:30
Speaker 3: what are some of the other rich people think about this?
37:33
Speaker 2: I mean, what other rich people should we listen to?
37:36
Speaker 2: I don't know what about Elon I'm sure he's got
37:38
Speaker 2: something to say. What about what about Sam Altman, the
37:42
Speaker 2: CEO of open Ai, which is chat GPT's parent company. Right, So,
37:49
Speaker 2: so okay, so according to space dot Com and the story,
37:52
Speaker 2: it's not Oh yeah, that's right, isn't it. Where did
37:54
Speaker 2: the story come from? Again? I gotta get the right
37:56
Speaker 2: attribution from Fortune. This is Fortune, it's not Space dot Com. Sorry,
38:00
Speaker 2: according to Fortune that ran the story. So Sam Altman
38:04
Speaker 2: came out he had some thoughts about this as well.
38:07
Speaker 2: And Sam Altman said, you know, it's not just Bezo superdictions,
38:12
Speaker 2: you know, living working in space. Sam Altman and Elon
38:15
Speaker 2: Musk both have shared similar predictions. Uh, let's see. Sam
38:18
Speaker 2: Altman says college graduates will be working some completely new, exciting,
38:23
Speaker 2: super well paid jobs in space. Unquote. Okay, so if
38:28
Speaker 2: you wonder, you know, if your parents have a college student,
38:30
Speaker 2: you're wondering where they're going to work, maybe it's space,
38:33
Speaker 2: because Sam said so. He said, they'll be working some
38:36
Speaker 2: completely new, exciting, super well paid jobs in space. That's
38:40
Speaker 2: according to the CEO of the company that created chat gb.
38:44
Speaker 3: Doesn't doesn't sound so scary the thought of your graduate
38:47
Speaker 3: moving across country, now, does it?
38:49
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, you know it could they could be
38:51
Speaker 2: living in Iowa, or they could be living in orbit.
38:53
Speaker 2: That's right.
38:54
Speaker 3: That's a little different. So it sounds a little harder
38:56
Speaker 3: to get home, you know, for the holidays.
38:58
Speaker 2: Iowa was a little easier to get too. Yeah. So
39:01
Speaker 2: all right, So chat chat GPT creator said that he's
39:06
Speaker 2: jealous of young people because his generation's early career jobs
39:09
Speaker 2: will look boring and old fashioned compared to these new
39:13
Speaker 2: high tech space jobs. There we go, Sam Altman, let's see.
39:18
Speaker 2: Elon Musk, richest person on the planet, says he thinks
39:21
Speaker 2: humans will be on Mars as soon as twenty twenty eight,
39:25
Speaker 2: with the unmanned SpaceX rockets commencing liftoff for that destination
39:30
Speaker 2: next year. So he says, you know, he says to say, hey,
39:33
Speaker 2: you know these starships, which NASA doesn't think we're making
39:36
Speaker 2: progress enough on. We're not going to be putting people
39:39
Speaker 2: on the Moon by twenty twenty eight. We're going to
39:40
Speaker 2: be putting people on Mars by twenty twenty eight. So
39:44
Speaker 2: you know, yet again a reference to the previous story. Anyway,
39:46
Speaker 2: So there we go. So what's important about this for
39:50
Speaker 2: our listeners? What's important about this for the students at
39:53
Speaker 2: my university, Columbus State University, The space economy. Friends, what
39:58
Speaker 2: you're having is three tights of industry in the year
40:02
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, all three saying the same thing. The
40:05
Speaker 2: space economy is going to explode. The human presence in
40:10
Speaker 2: space is going to expand greatly, and there will be
40:14
Speaker 2: jobs and money associated with it. So what I can
40:17
Speaker 2: tell you is, if you're not plugged into the space
40:21
Speaker 2: economy yet and you're still trying to decide what great
40:24
Speaker 2: degree to have in college, maybe a degree that prepares
40:28
Speaker 2: you for the new space economy is one of those
40:30
Speaker 2: degrees you ought to consider. How about a degree like, oh,
40:34
Speaker 2: I don't know, Astrophysics and planetary geology at Columbus State
40:37
Speaker 2: University's Department of earthen Space Sciences, or perhaps one of
40:41
Speaker 2: our brand new robotics engineering degrees, which you heard what
40:46
Speaker 2: Bezos themselves said. We're gonna be doing a lot of
40:48
Speaker 2: robotic exploration out there. It's going to be actually assisting
40:51
Speaker 2: humans in space. You can find out all about these
40:54
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41:00
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41:03
Speaker 2: to find out more about, you know, the Space Science Center,
41:05
Speaker 2: we actually have links to these degree programs on our page.
41:08
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41:13
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41:17
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41:20
Speaker 2: the website plug unusually early in our ending of the
41:23
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41:24
Speaker 3: It's okay because you said that they should visit the
41:28
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41:30
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41:34
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41:37
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Speaker 3: You come in, you watch us through this show live
41:48
Speaker 3: in front of an audience. You'd be part of that audience.
41:51
Speaker 3: And then immediately after there's also a free event. It's
41:56
Speaker 3: Astronomy Night. Doctor Rosa Williams and her team will be
42:00
Speaker 3: pointing telescopes at the sky, which is the best place
42:02
Speaker 3: to point telescopes by the way. Yeah, because the neighbors
42:06
Speaker 3: don't like it so much. The neighbors not big fans
42:08
Speaker 3: of it. But you know, sometimes you got those neighbors
42:11
Speaker 3: that are fans of it, in which case, you know,
42:14
Speaker 3: go crazy whatever you're into. But the point is they
42:17
Speaker 3: will not be pointing them at neighbors. They'll be pointing
42:20
Speaker 3: them into the sky, weather permitting, of course, but you'll
42:24
Speaker 3: get some explanation of what you'll be seeing, what's in
42:27
Speaker 3: the sky, all those fun things. So it's two back
42:30
Speaker 3: to back free events. It's all just basically packaged in
42:32
Speaker 3: one big, giant free event taking place at the Cocola
42:36
Speaker 3: Space Sign Center and it is a little over a
42:39
Speaker 3: week away and we're in the final stages of planning
42:42
Speaker 3: all of this. It's free. You don't need tickets. You
42:45
Speaker 3: just need to show up and put your backside in
42:47
Speaker 3: a seat and we will do this show there. Now,
42:50
Speaker 3: this is the other part of this that I haven't
42:52
Speaker 3: really talked about. We've talked about this for a few weeks.
42:54
Speaker 3: The number of times that I have had someone asked me,
43:00
Speaker 3: and I mean, it's a lot when people say, my
43:05
Speaker 3: kid wants to be a podcaster, Can they come and
43:08
Speaker 3: watch you do your show one day or one morning,
43:13
Speaker 3: or you know, one day or whatever. Or you know,
43:15
Speaker 3: I've got a friend who, you know, thinks that they
43:18
Speaker 3: we'd like to do a podcast here. Can we come
43:20
Speaker 3: and watch you do I get asked this often. My
43:25
Speaker 3: normal response would be absolutely, But you know, we primarily
43:30
Speaker 3: are doing this. We do this show. You're in your
43:33
Speaker 3: office and I am in my home studio. I don't
43:37
Speaker 3: have the big Joe Rogan home studio. I've got a
43:40
Speaker 3: significantly smaller studio than Joe Rogan. And I'm not overly
43:46
Speaker 3: big on people just roaming around in my house. So
43:49
Speaker 3: that's the other part of it. But this is a
43:51
Speaker 3: great opportunity for folks to come and watch a podcast
43:55
Speaker 3: be done live, and it'll be a little different than
43:58
Speaker 3: what we normally do because we'll be there together, you know,
44:02
Speaker 3: right there inside the planetarium. But that's another aspect of this.
44:07
Speaker 3: So if you're one of the many people who've asked, hey,
44:09
Speaker 3: can my kid come and watch you do a podcast? Yes,
44:13
Speaker 3: on November the first.
44:15
Speaker 2: And wes Ostensibly the way this event began, we're actually
44:21
Speaker 2: doing a part of the lecture series for the Department
44:24
Speaker 2: of Earthen Space Sciences. And the reason we were asked
44:27
Speaker 2: to do that is because my good friend, doctor Troy Keller,
44:30
Speaker 2: who's the department chair, said, hey, we want our students
44:35
Speaker 2: to see how a podcast is done, because we all
44:39
Speaker 2: are understanding new media, right. So so those students are
44:43
Speaker 2: going to be, you know, trained scientists because they're getting
44:46
Speaker 2: degrees from the Department of Earth and Space Sciences, but
44:48
Speaker 2: they might want to include that aspect in their future
44:52
Speaker 2: careers where they're relating to a community an audience via
44:57
Speaker 2: the internet through something like their very own podcasts. So
45:00
Speaker 2: this is an opportunity for those CSU students to get
45:02
Speaker 2: that inside look at how a podcast is actually put together.
45:06
Speaker 2: And for some crazy reason, that shows us. But okay,
45:09
Speaker 2: that's fine, we can do it. And so, I mean,
45:11
Speaker 2: you're an excellent podcaster, don't get me wrong, but you know,
45:14
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm just the comedy relief on the show.
45:16
Speaker 2: So so anyway, I'm just happy to be a part
45:19
Speaker 2: of it, and we do try to have fun on
45:21
Speaker 2: the show. We probably will have a little extra fun
45:24
Speaker 2: that night. I'm just guessing that some of the silly
45:27
Speaker 2: things that Wes and I say along the way will
45:30
Speaker 2: be enhanced because we're going to be in front of
45:32
Speaker 2: actual people's, right, and not just looking at each other.
45:35
Speaker 2: We'll actually have human beings who are reacting to some
45:38
Speaker 2: of the silly things we say. That's right, It could
45:40
Speaker 2: be quite a fun evening. So yeah, coming out and
45:42
Speaker 2: join us. If you've made it to this point in
45:44
Speaker 2: this podcast, you're a dedicated listener, right, You're the kind
45:48
Speaker 2: of person that absolutely should come out and see that
45:50
Speaker 2: podcast recorded live.
45:51
Speaker 3: And we have now done over two hundred and fifty
45:53
Speaker 3: episodes of this podcast. This is number two fifty one.
45:57
Speaker 3: And you know I'm not this is not.
46:00
Speaker 2: Me, do it.
46:01
Speaker 3: You mentioned me being a veteran podcaster, like I'm closing
46:06
Speaker 3: in on two thousand episodes across the board of shows
46:09
Speaker 3: I do. I do seven shows a week, so this
46:11
Speaker 3: is one of them. So I got a little tread,
46:15
Speaker 3: you know, left on the tires. But I've done I've
46:19
Speaker 3: done some. I've got a little wear and tear on things.
46:22
Speaker 3: I've done it a little bit. So we'd like you
46:25
Speaker 3: to be part of at least one of those almost
46:27
Speaker 3: two thousand shows.
46:29
Speaker 2: How about that?
46:29
Speaker 3: So join us on November first, Sean and I thank
46:32
Speaker 3: you for listening, and we will do this again next week.
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