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11-11-26 Hour 3 - Jeff Legwold/State of the Avalanche & the Nuggets/Top 10 Nuggets Guards of All Time · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is Mosher Lombardi and Kane On Demand. Listen live
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  Speaker 2: I know what my eyes tell me.
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  Speaker 3: Jeff Legwald.
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  Speaker 2: I look at it a lot and I ask a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: Brought to you by the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers.
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  Speaker 1: Start with a job, end with a career. IBEW Local 68.
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  Speaker 1: It's Leggy.
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  Speaker 4: Jeff, Jeff, Jeff.
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  Speaker 1: On Altitude Sports Radio 92.5.
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  Speaker 5: You only beat in Bama by 16 points! Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Vic just losing it on this. By 16! Welcome back
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  Speaker 4: to Mosher's Lombardi and Kane. It's time to hear from
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  Speaker 4: Jeff Legwald, brought to you by the International Brotherhood of
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  Speaker 4: Electrical Workers, IBEW Local 68. Start with a job, end
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  Speaker 4: with a career. Four gentlemen in four different places. Mark
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  Speaker 4: Mosher's in the fanciest hotel in Toronto. Vic Lombardi's coming
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  Speaker 4: to you live atop the mountains of Golden. Jeff Legwald is,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, somewhere in the wilderness.
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  Speaker 5: He's in his kitchen. He's in his kitchen.
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  Speaker 6: Leggy, can you imagine if in the NFL championships and
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  Speaker 6: playoffs were determined not by record, not by what you
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  Speaker 6: did on the field, but by strength of schedule? And
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  Speaker 6: if one division, let's say the NFC West, had a
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  Speaker 6: greater strength of schedule, those teams would be propped up
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  Speaker 6: and move in front of teams that.
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  Speaker 5: They perhaps had lost to. Could you imagine a world
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  Speaker 5: where the NFL did that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I can see where your head is at, Mr. Lombardi.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure you want to, but you can see it.
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  Speaker 5: Here's where you're mistaken. It has nothing to do with
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  Speaker 5: my team.
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  Speaker 6: It has to do with one particular team that continues
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  Speaker 6: to gain all kinds of passes, free passes from this committee,
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  Speaker 6: which is a joke.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they love the SEC.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, they do.
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  Speaker 2: That's just the bottom line.
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  Speaker 4: Besides, if we were ranking NFL teams on strength of schedule,
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  Speaker 4: the Broncos would be number one, right? Don't the Broncos
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  Speaker 4: have the hardest strength of schedule, at least to date?
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  Speaker 2: Well, not the rest of the way. But, yeah, they
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  Speaker 2: have navigated the toughest first nine weeks of the season,
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  Speaker 2: statistically and by the eye test as well. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: if they were doing it that way, the Broncos would
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  Speaker 2: be the one seed right now.
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  Speaker 3: Are you, are you, Oh, go ahead, Vic.
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  Speaker 5: Are you surprised?
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to ask the same question you were going
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  Speaker 6: to ask. Are you surprised that the Broncos opted not
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  Speaker 6: to go offense yesterday at the tread deadline?
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  Speaker 2: No, I, you know, I, I, I've been saying for
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  Speaker 2: you guys that they weren't going to go, they weren't
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  Speaker 2: going to surrender premium picks. They made, they kicked the
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  Speaker 2: tires on a couple of running backs, Taylor and Pollard
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  Speaker 2: being the top top two. but they were not going
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  Speaker 2: to be the best offer even that those teams got.
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  Speaker 2: And they were not going to come off their belief
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  Speaker 2: that they would not surrender premium picks. And I, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I know people got tired of hearing me say it
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  Speaker 2: for two weeks, but that's where they were. And I think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if, if people are telling me the truth and,
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  Speaker 2: you know, sometimes that's a little sketchy around the trade
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  Speaker 2: deadline and the draft, uh, I think they did sort
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  Speaker 2: of make a late semi-push for Pollard to see if
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  Speaker 2: they could add some depth there. But yeah, they did
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  Speaker 2: get a really good player for the price they paid.
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  Speaker 2: I know inside linebacker doesn't fire the confetti cannons a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the time, but that guy's a ball player
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  Speaker 2: and he's very good in coverage. That's probably his strength.
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  Speaker 2: And guess what they... would like to have a little
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  Speaker 2: better of an inside linebacker as a little more options
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  Speaker 2: in coverage. So they did improve a need. They just
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  Speaker 2: didn't do it the way probably many folks wanted them to.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting because it's counterintuitive, I think, to what
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  Speaker 3: other teams did. Other teams with terrific offenses decided, you
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  Speaker 3: know what, we want to bolster our defense a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: The Jacksonville Jaguars are the prime example of that. Buffalo,
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  Speaker 3: same kind of story. And then... the Broncos say, well,
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  Speaker 3: our defense is already really damn good. Let's just get
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  Speaker 3: a little bit stronger there. I guess, Jeff, I'm surprised
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  Speaker 3: they didn't do anything offensively. I mean, anything, you know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean? Because it's not like they couldn't use
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  Speaker 3: just at least a little help, some depth help, any
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  Speaker 3: kind of help. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's all price tag, Moshe. You know, how
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  Speaker 2: high are you willing to go? Are you, are you
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  Speaker 2: willing to surrender good picks for okay players? I don't,
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  Speaker 2: you know, personally I, I know a lot of fans
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  Speaker 2: differ from that, that they think you should just go
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  Speaker 2: get a guy, and no matter what it costs, you
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  Speaker 2: just do it. But I don't know an executive in
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  Speaker 2: the league who doesn't work for the Jaguars, who doesn't
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  Speaker 2: think the Jordan Davis trade is just about the worst
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  Speaker 2: trade you could possibly make at the deadline for what
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  Speaker 2: you gave up, what you're getting, how he fits. All
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  Speaker 2: of that. I don't think you make a bad trade
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  Speaker 2: just to get something done. And, you know, again, I
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  Speaker 2: actually talk to the teams involved, to people making decisions.
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  Speaker 2: And I never thought the Colts' willingness to trade Jonathan
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  Speaker 2: Taylor was all that big. I don't think they were interested, really,
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  Speaker 2: really interested in doing it. And, you know, I kept
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  Speaker 2: saying it. on your air, you know, the station's air.
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  Speaker 2: And I know everybody and everybody kept asking other people,
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  Speaker 2: like there was another answer out there, but people got
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  Speaker 2: to be willing to trade to you. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: see a lot of things before the trade deadline. Here's
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  Speaker 2: seven players the Broncos can get. Well, guess what? I
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  Speaker 2: talked to the GMs or the teams, those guys play
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  Speaker 2: on and those guys aren't available. So we can make lists.
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  Speaker 2: but if the guy isn't available, you're not going to
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  Speaker 2: get them. You know, Josh Downs would be maybe a player,
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  Speaker 2: you know, who was available that, you know, could fit,
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  Speaker 2: but he's a slot receiver. So what do you do
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  Speaker 2: with Marvin Mims then? What do you do with Waddle?
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  Speaker 2: You know, those are spots where you might not need
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  Speaker 2: that help as much as you do other places. But yeah, Moshe,
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  Speaker 2: I just don't think the guys were available, really truly available.
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  Speaker 2: that a lot of people thought they should go get.
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  Speaker 4: What is the value or why am I guess undervaluing
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  Speaker 4: the first and second round picks in the NFL draft?
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  Speaker 4: Cause it feels like every front office in the NFL
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  Speaker 4: agrees that you're not getting my first round, but you're
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  Speaker 4: not getting my first round pick outside of team control
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  Speaker 4: or cost control to what, I mean, is there a
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  Speaker 4: value to those first that I'm just not seeing? Like,
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  Speaker 4: why would you want to have a first in two
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  Speaker 4: years instead of, you know, a Jonathan Taylor or something
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  Speaker 4: like that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, Taylor's a running back, so he's got
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  Speaker 2: two years left on his deal, which made him more
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  Speaker 2: attractive for the Colts to keep. He's going to be
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  Speaker 2: 28 in January, I believe. And, you know, most analytics
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  Speaker 2: say that the curve's going down from that point forward.
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  Speaker 2: He's also had, what, 1,900 touches already. That's high mileage.
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  Speaker 2: So a lot of the analytics for getting Jonathan Taylor
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  Speaker 2: aren't friendly. So that's why no one, if someone was
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  Speaker 2: willing to give up a first-round pick, even though they
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  Speaker 2: weren't that interested in trading them, the Colts would have
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  Speaker 2: had to think long and hard about that. But no
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  Speaker 2: one was willing to do that. And no one was
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  Speaker 2: willing to give them the Christian McCaffrey draft pick list
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  Speaker 2: because McCaffrey was younger. when that trade was made. He
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  Speaker 2: had 900 fewer touches when that trade was made. So
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  Speaker 2: it just didn't make, you know, that that's why Birdo
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  Speaker 2: and first round picks are valuable because you get five
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  Speaker 2: years control of a rookie deal on a guy. And
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  Speaker 2: most teams are thinking you're going to, you're going to
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  Speaker 2: take a guy at a premium position, their quarterback edge
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  Speaker 2: rusher and, you know, left tackle and to have five
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  Speaker 2: years of a foundational player on a rookie deal is
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  Speaker 2: really good in team building. I mean, look what the
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  Speaker 2: Broncos have done with Bo Nix on his rookie contract.
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  Speaker 2: These are all things they're not going to be able
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  Speaker 2: to do if and when they put him on the
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  Speaker 2: next contract. So it gives you a five-year window with
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  Speaker 2: a foundational player or two where you can build and
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  Speaker 2: it's cheaper, and you can keep the players you really like.
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  Speaker 2: You don't lose the guys you really like in that
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  Speaker 2: five-year span.
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  Speaker 6: Jeffrey, give us a little more intel on Dayon Henley.
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  Speaker 5: Is that how you pronounce your first name?
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  Speaker 3: Dayon?
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  Speaker 2: I was told it was Dayon, but I'm looking forward
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  Speaker 2: to asking him, which is always my first step.
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  Speaker 5: My question is, whose job does he take?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a situational player. I mean, he
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  Speaker 2: gave up two day three picks, only one in 27
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  Speaker 2: and he's a really good coverage linebacker or people think
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  Speaker 2: that's the strength of his game. So that's some of
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  Speaker 2: the nickel and the dime. snaps. He isn't going to
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  Speaker 2: be taking anybody's, uh, probably not too much of the
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  Speaker 2: early down stuff right away, but he's a really good
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  Speaker 2: off ball linebacker who's athletic and he's, he's younger, you know,
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  Speaker 2: so they, he's still in his rookie deal. Okay. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: So he just gives them more options in some of
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  Speaker 2: the nickel and dime pass coverage. Look, matching up tight ends,
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  Speaker 2: matching up running backs. You know, they've been killed on
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  Speaker 2: wheel routes, and tight ends have done some damage against them,
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  Speaker 2: including this past week. I mean, Darren Waller was the
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  Speaker 2: leading receiver for the Panthers Sunday.
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  Speaker 6: So is he the kind of player that you look
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  Speaker 6: to re-sign? He's not a one-and-done guy.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think he's on his rookie deal, and he
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  Speaker 2: was a third-round pick, so that's not a huge number.
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  Speaker 2: And now you take a look at him and decide
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  Speaker 2: whether or not that's a guy you want to bring back.
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  Speaker 2: But he's certainly in the financial ballpark where you could
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  Speaker 2: do that if you really like him. I think Alex
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  Speaker 2: Singleton's 32, and Justin Sternod's been here six years, so
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  Speaker 2: they need some younger players. younger players at that position.
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  Speaker 3: And last thing for me, imagine my surprise when the
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  Speaker 3: Raiders do something smart. I'm kind of blown away. They
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  Speaker 3: signed Cousins. They get four and five out of him, right,
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  Speaker 3: which is probably pretty damn good. Then they spin him
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  Speaker 3: off for a valuable pick. I think he's going to
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  Speaker 3: make Minnesota better. I don't think there's any doubt about it.
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  Speaker 3: And the Raiders now usher in their overall number one.
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  Speaker 3: They actually finally did something intelligent, Jeff, and it kind
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  Speaker 3: of blows my mind.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it would probably be a little more painful for
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  Speaker 2: Clint Kubiak, however.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right.
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  Speaker 2: Your chances of eking out a win or two because
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  Speaker 2: you've got some veteran, proven, played quarterback. He's probably mostly happy,
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  Speaker 2: but there's probably a piece of him that knows that's
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  Speaker 2: probably going to add a little bit to the struggle
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  Speaker 2: now that they've had. But yeah, they had a team
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  Speaker 2: that was fairly desperate. they probably wouldn't have gotten an
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  Speaker 2: offer close to that unless the Vikings had seen what
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  Speaker 2: they saw Monday night and were basically forced into making
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  Speaker 2: a move. And that gives them, if you're in the NFC,
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  Speaker 2: that changes the dynamic a little bit because they already
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  Speaker 2: had the best defense in the NFC, them and probably Tampa.
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  Speaker 2: But Cousins did some of his best work with Kevin
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  Speaker 2: O'Connell So I bet they're pretty hopeful that he can
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  Speaker 2: just step in and start playing like at a top level.
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  Speaker 4: Well, thanks for, thanks for stopping by and giving us
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  Speaker 4: some lowdown on what's going on.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, I want to get personal. We don't get personal
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  Speaker 3: that often because you're a pretty private guy.
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  Speaker 4: You're going to ask him personal questions.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So we're, we're, we're doing the show here on a
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  Speaker 3: Wednesday when it typically it's Thursday. So that means for
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  Speaker 3: the bi-week, you obviously are getting out of town or something.
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  Speaker 3: You're like, as soon as.
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  Speaker 2: I've got an assignment or two that will require me
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  Speaker 2: to be out of pocket tomorrow.
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  Speaker 5: What do you mean.
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  Speaker 3: Assignment or two?
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  Speaker 4: You're not doing extra work, are you?
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  Speaker 2: Dude, my list is long. I can't just go stay
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  Speaker 2: in the five-star hotel and wait for room service. I'm
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  Speaker 2: out here grinding.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just grinding.
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  Speaker 5: So your schedule is crazy. What would you say is
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  Speaker 5: your strength of schedule?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, where are you at?
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  Speaker 2: My strength of schedule is is higher than Notre Dame's
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know why you guys keep going back to that.
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  Speaker 5: It has nothing to do with Notre Dame. It has
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  Speaker 5: nothing to do with Notre Dame.
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  Speaker 2: It has everything to do with Alabama.
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  Speaker 5: It has everything to do with Notre Dame.
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  Speaker 4: I couldn't help it.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing.
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  Speaker 5: All right, Jeff Lebo.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for stopping by.
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  Speaker 5: We appreciate it. Look at me, Berto. Berto, look at you.
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  Speaker 5: It has nothing to do with that. It has everything
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  Speaker 5: to do with Notre Dame.
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  Speaker 4: You moved up five spots. You shouldn't be upset today.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not upset.
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  Speaker 4: You should not be upset.
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  Speaker 6: That has nothing to do with it. It's the character
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  Speaker 6: of the system. A team that walloped another team.
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  Speaker 5: Is six spots ahead of said team that walloped them.
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  Speaker 5: I get it, man. That is fundamentally wrong. I get it.
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  Speaker 4: Actually, never mind. This has nothing to do with them.
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  Speaker 4: I can't get into it. Go back to the.
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  Speaker 5: Argument I'm making.
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  Speaker 3: I got to catch a bus.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll be right back.
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  Speaker 5: By 16 points!
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  Speaker 4: Welcome back to Mosier, Lombardi, and Kane on this Wednesday,
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  Speaker 4: November the 11th. It is Veterans Day, so hug a veteran. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: hug a veteran. Say hello to Colonel Frank Bertinelli, sitting
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  Speaker 4: around doing whatever. in Texas right now.
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  Speaker 5: Where's the Colonel these days?
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  Speaker 3: You know what?
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  Speaker 4: The Colonel knows more about Colorado politics than I do.
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  Speaker 4: He called me this weekend all angry, like, hey, I
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  Speaker 4: heard Colorado legalized another drug. And I was like, I
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  Speaker 4: have no idea what you're talking about. No idea what
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  Speaker 4: you're talking about.
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  Speaker 5: He was so upset.
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  Speaker 4: And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 4: and uh i mean what what shrooms or something yeah
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  Speaker 4: it was a psychedelic we we legalized psychedelics oh wait.
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  Speaker 6: Your father your father's last name obviously is burton only
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  Speaker 6: he's an italian with a texas twang.
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  Speaker 5: Yes beautiful yes yes he is it's that is it's beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: Free and he's got a walk he's got a year
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  Speaker 3: yeah he's got a pretty bitching truck.
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  Speaker 6: Too yeah yeah he's a new new You salute him
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  Speaker 6: when you see him?
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  Speaker 3: No, no.
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  Speaker 4: Man, he is the reason I tell people that I'd
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  Speaker 4: never served. I spent 18 years getting yelled at by
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: a full bird. That's more than enough of that nonsense.
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  Speaker 4: More than enough of that nonsense, man.
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  Speaker 3: If your pops is a full bird colonel, you're going
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  Speaker 3: to feel the hell out of that.
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  Speaker 4: He was already a lieutenant colonel when I realized that
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  Speaker 4: I knew what that was. He made full bird by
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  Speaker 4: the time I was in middle school.
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  Speaker 6: What was that movie of the kid who lived a hard,
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  Speaker 6: scrabble life with his dad?
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  Speaker 5: God, it's a famous movie.
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  Speaker 3: The Great Santini?
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  Speaker 5: Yes. Robert Duvall.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, his old man was a fighter pilot. That was
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  Speaker 3: a pretty intense movie, dude.
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  Speaker 4: Recently deceased, Robert Duvall, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but this is from 45, this is from 50 years.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know how long ago it was, but
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  Speaker 3: it had the guy from Caddyshack played his son it
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  Speaker 3: was it's a pretty intense flick man Duvall was really
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  Speaker 3: great at that all right.
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  Speaker 7: I actually obtained some audio of Birdo this is when
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  Speaker 7: his dad was trying to get him up at like
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  Speaker 7: 5 a.m. to make his bed and do push-ups this
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  Speaker 7: is what he said to.
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  Speaker 3: Him but he's not he's not incorrect about that hey
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  Speaker 3: a couple things I'm gonna be bugging out here pretty
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  Speaker 3: quick guys I gotta get on a bus I got
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  Speaker 3: to get to an airplane. I got to get to Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, you bus to the plane. I thought you bus
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  Speaker 5: to Ottawa.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I don't go outside the hotel and they
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  Speaker 3: put me in the back of a donkey and slap
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  Speaker 3: it in the ass and say go to the airport.
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  Speaker 4: They might in Toronto. Who knows, man?
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  Speaker 5: It's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Well, what I do know is that you can. Here's
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  Speaker 3: two things I've learned. You can start demolishing at about
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  Speaker 3: 7 in the morning, and you can pick up garbage
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  Speaker 3: at like 6.45 a.m. Because outside my hotel room window
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: this morning, it has been loud.
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: We heard that story already. It didn't resonate the first hour.
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: And it's definitely not resonating this hour.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: There is, Moshe, you were in a place, I was
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: going to ask Coach about this when we had Coach
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: Bednar on about an hour and a half ago or whatever.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: Because now that he's coached 801 games behind a bench,
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: I was going to ask him how he would handle
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: being the head coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs, because
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: I believe in North American sports, there is not another
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: fan base and media center quite as hypercritical as Maple
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: Leaf fan. There's like, there's an insanity to Maple Leaf
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: fan that I don't think you get anywhere else in sports.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: Even like, like Philadelphia, like, Flyers fans and Sixers fans,
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: Eagles fans are all psycho, but not to the level
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: of Maple Leaf fans.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Right, Moses?
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: Something's crazy about those fans.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: The Maple Leafs, I mean, the Canadians obviously are a
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: legendary franchise and all the cups they've won and the
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: history of that franchise. But if you're talking about the
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: biggest fan base in hockey, it's got to be the
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Toronto Maple Leafs.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a billion of people who are Leafs fans.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: Half of them have podcasts. All of them are hypercritical
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: of the Leafs.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: Hey, was Nas surrounded by media everywhere? I mean, because
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: he played there. Was it a crazy scene for him?
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Vic, I'm telling you, man, just the intensity of
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: it all is pretty massive.
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: And if you're Austin Matthews, of course, you're now the
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: overall number one.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: What happens if you're McKenna, though, Moshe? What happens if
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: you're an 18-year-old kid and you have to deal with that? Like,
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: that can't make you.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: No, it's got to take a special... It's got to
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: take a special sort of mindset to be able to
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: deal with it on a daily basis, no matter where
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: you go in the city, no matter what you're doing.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: I'm sure it's just it's completely intense. And they haven't
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: won for so long here in Toronto that the pressure
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: builds all the time.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: But the problem with Toronto is every year they're like,
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: this is the year, we're going to play in a parade.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: I hate those franchises that are like, this is the year,
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: we're one player away, this is it.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: I think mostly now they realize that their team stinks.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: They've lost now four in a row. And Coach Bednar,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: if you guys missed it, check out the podcast and
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: get the goods from the coach. But Toronto was a
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: pretty desperate team last night. I mean, they've been banged
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: up a little bit, but they're pretty desperate. They had
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: lost three in a row going into that game. They
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: obviously started pretty good. They made a real good push early.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: But the Avs, again, when you see the Avs turn
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: things around and take control of a game and everybody
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: is engaged, that's when you realize that they're starting to
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: come around to be the real Colorado Avalanche that you
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: know and that you love and that the first month
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: of the season, there are times they played really well
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: and there's times they played really crappy. But now I think, Vic,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: you're going to start to see that consistency build as
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: we make our way to the new year.
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: That is the definition of a great Avalanche game.
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: Not to say you don't want Nate in the score column,
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: but when Nate McKinnon goes an entire game without a
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: point and you still put six on the board, that's
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: team ball right there.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: That is team playing.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: You're right. And, of course, the moves that Coach Bednar
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: has now made to switch things up a little bit,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: to separate Taves and McCarr, and then to put Landeskog
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: with Kadri and Nick Waugh. He's right, man. That's a
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: pretty heavy line that can grind. And they were so
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: good last night. I mean, everybody was properly motivated. And, listen,
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: when you come to Toronto, all the Canadian guys, and,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: of course, Gabe played in Kitchener. He was the captain
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: of the Kitchener Rangers as a junior coming over from Sweden.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: you realize that all eyeballs are on you, man. This
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: game's national in Canada. Everybody's going to be watching. And
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: you're playing in Toronto. You see you get hyped about it.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: It's not going to be the same in Ottawa coming
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: up tomorrow night. But again, Saturday night, hockey night in Canada,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: in Montreal, it's going to be hyped. And believe me,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: all these people here, they want to see McKinnon. They
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: want to see McCarr. They want to see all the
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Avs stars because they're really tuned in.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: I think tomorrow is game number 20 for the Avs.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: And I think 20 games into the season, you can
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: make some pretty bold statements about who you think the
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: team is and what the Western Conference is going to
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: look like. Tonight is game number 10 on the season
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: for the Nuggets. I'm not sure you can make any
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: bold statements about that. But I think you can certainly
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: make a bold statement about what the Avs are when
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: they're rolling up on 20 games. Matter of fact, give
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: me a grade. Give me a grade for the first
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: 20 games of the NHL season for the Colorado Avalanche.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: I would say right now B-..
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: That's the exact grade I had in my brain.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, B-. An A would stipulate.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: That you're leading the division, leading just what you're used
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: to seeing. So they're not there.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Six points off.
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: But they're improving from where they were a week ago. So, yeah,
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: I think that's a fair grade.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: What's interesting, though, is when you look around, I mean,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Edmonton's got 29 points. Of course, Minnesota's got 30. They're 13-3-4,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: and they're doing it without Brock Faber on the back end.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: He's still out with a cracked skull, but he is
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: practicing again.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: God.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: And isn't that crazy? Surgery to repair a cracked skull.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: And by the way, from what I understand, he wasn't
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: able to, like, do anything. Like, when that skull is healing. Right, well,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: what are you going to do?
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: Go for a jog?
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, you can't get your heart rate up because
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: the way that particular.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: Oh, because the blood pressure to the brain.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Aneurysm or something? Whatever it is. So he... He couldn't
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: do anything for over a month.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: He couldn't even debate college football. Right.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: You would blow it. You almost blew an aneurysm anyway, man.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: And your brain is fine, I think.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: So the deal is that they're sorry, but....
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: Like, that's the voice of a serial killer, right?
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: It's scary to me. That's a murder.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: What's worse, that or the dog barking? You and your schedules!
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: That is, right, that's the voice of a, Ted Bundy
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: sounds like that, right, when he gets angry, right?
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Like, oh, let's put him sub, put him sub, put me,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: this is my impression of walking through the Home Depot
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: parking lot in the middle of summer to go get,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: you know, some fertilizer, and I'm walking through the lot,
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: and Nelly, what happens when you walk up to a car?
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, let's hear, let's hear both from Vic.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: Let's hear both.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: My 16 points!
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: Can you imagine walking through a Home Depot lot in here?
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: And you just... My 16 points!
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: But in all due respect, with all due respect, the
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Avs right now, as we sit here, and I know
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: they're second in the division, they've got 24 points, and
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: they've been up and down at times. Hopefully they're going to, again,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: find that consistent play. Right now, in terms of the
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: betting people, and I don't do that, but in terms
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: of Stanley Cup odds... They're still number two to the
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Carolina Hurricanes. I don't know if you realize that or not.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: In fact, when I look at the latest, because it
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: pops right up here on ESPN, they're plus 700. Right now,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Dallas is plus 1,400. Yeah, I get it.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: But look where Edmonton is right now.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: No, they're right on your tail. I get that. But
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying is that people still believe in this
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Colorado Avalanche team. Vic, what I want to do is
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: I want to be able to get to a point
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: where I believe in the Denver Nuggets, and I'm not
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: sure I can right now.
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, they have to do it for you.
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: You know, everybody who questions your belief as a fan, right?
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: I always laugh at that because your belief is only
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: a move that the team must make. If the team, again,
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: I mentioned this in the last hour and I'll reference
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: this again because it's just the life as a Nuggets fan.
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: Even when the Nuggets are really good, when they're rolling,
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: games are hard.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: They grind, man. They're not easy. They don't put teams away.
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: They don't, They don't walk out of an arena winning
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: by 25 and coast to coast. That's a very rare sight.
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: And I'm not asking for that. Nobody's asking for that.
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: But right now, the Nuggets.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: Are at a crossroads where they got to figure out,
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: are they a team or not? Because right now, it's
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: a two-man team. It's a two-man team.
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: And occasionally, they'll get a third player to help along.
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: And when that third player helps along, they win. They
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: got one in Phoenix when Christian Brown went for 31,
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: and he's making threes everywhere. When they get that third
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: player to help, They win. When they don't, you see
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: what you saw in Houston. So tonight against Memphis, it's
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: the same deal.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: Who's that third player going to be? Do you know what?
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: Matter of fact, Nelly, let's do the thing. Let's get
• 25:53
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• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Let's do that. Do whatever it takes to win.
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  Speaker 3: Here's Mosher, Lombardi, and Kane.
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  Speaker 4: Memphis Grizzlies are 7-3. Vic, Ty Jerome is playing like
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: prime Michael Jordan. They got Cam Boozer, the rookie, who's
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: scoring a lot of points. He's not shooting it well. And,
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: you know, I mean, Memphis has started hot. So what's
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: the keys to tonight's win?
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: It's pretty easy. I'll just give you basic numbers.
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: I need at least eight boards for Gordon tonight, eight rebounds.
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: I need at least 16 points from Cam Johnson.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: That's not asking for too much.
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: And I need double-digit points from somebody else in the
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: starting five. That's not asking for much.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: I'm not asking for the world here.
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: That's what you need to supplement what Joker and Jamal
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: do for you. You get that, and you got a
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: chance to win this game. And, hell, the Nuggets, by
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: your matchup predictor, they're favored to win this game.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: They are. It's 59-41. You're right about that. They are
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: favored to win this dang game. And they're a point spot.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: spread favorite too they're minus three and a half so
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: I mean clearly people think the Denver Nuggets are going
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: to rebound after that Houston game and play better basketball
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: I just need to see I just want to see
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: it look the way I think it's supposed to look
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Vic you know and again that's not asking too much
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: either just look the way you're supposed to look because
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: you're still a good team you may not be a
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: great team at this point you may not be a
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: great team at any point this year But you're still
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: a good team, and you need to look and behave
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: like a good basketball team.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: Well, what does that look like? Tell me what that
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: looks like. What is the nugget?
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Well, like Vic said, where Joker and Jamal don't have
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: to hoist up, you know, 52 shots between the two
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: of them for you to try to win. And I guess, Bert,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: we've talked about this ad nauseum. I want Aaron Gordon
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: to look like himself, man.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: He has not.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: He's had a couple of toughies in a row, and
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: he's been deferring. I want to see A.G. If he
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: truly is healthy, and his body... And he explained the
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: other night that his body's not bothering him at all.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: If he truly is healthy, then I need to see A.G.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: look like A.G., like the guy that we know.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, the Nuggets are in full, like, figure-it-out mode, where, like.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: What did you feel about the Avs nine games, ten
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: games in the season?
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Were you as confident? No, they had not figured it
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: out yet. Their rush coverage was bad. I mean, any
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: given night, they could look like the best team in
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: the league or they could give up, I mean, super
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: high danger chances and opportunities and two-on-ones and breakaways. And
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: you're like, is there any communication out there? Are you
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: guys talking to each other? Is the left hand helping
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: the right hand? What are you doing out there? They're
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: starting to really put it together. Even in that loss
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: to Nashville last week, they started to put it together
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: pretty good. Now we've had back-to-back performances where I think
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: they're getting to a place they need to get to.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: They're not there yet by any long shot, but they're
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: getting to a place.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: Well, I asked the two of you to grade the
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: Av season going into game number 20. If you had
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: to grade the Nuggets going into game 10, what would
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: that grade? C-? C-. I mean.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: D's get degrees, but yeah.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: They're 5-4.
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: Every team they've played with a winning record, they've lost
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: so far. Tonight, they play a team with a winning record.
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: This will be their first chance to beat a team
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: in that realm.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: I didn't even realize that. That's crazy. That's crazy. And
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: it is really early, but there comes a point where
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: the top teams in the West start separating. and where
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: the Lakers and Spurs are right now, even the Timberwolves,
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: I don't like how they're getting separation.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: From everybody else. Did I lay it out there correctly
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: a little earlier where you can't lose... You can't lose
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: touch of the Peloton. You've got to stay with the Peloton.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: I agree. Can I ask you a question?
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: Because somebody on the text line mentioned this, and I
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: was thinking this exact thing as I was driving back
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: the other night from the studio.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: Rebounding has been a problem. It's been a sore spot, actually.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: It's causing some issues. What do you guys think about
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: putting Trevin Brazil in the starting lineup to help Joker
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: with rebounds? Yeah. Even if it costs you offensively a
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: little bit.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: I don't mind that at all. So, wait, wait.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: So, would Mr. Nugget be coming off the bench?
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: That's the question. I don't know what the adjoining move
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: would be. I have no idea who that would move
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: out of the line.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Do you move Aaron to small forward and bring Cam
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: off the bench?
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: I don't know. Yeah, that's a good question. I think
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: that affects your scoring from the outside. You've got to
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: leave Cam on the court.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question. So it's probably AG to
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: the bench and Trevin. Like, listen, I didn't, like Hopkins
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: looked pretty good in his start, but when you're playing the,
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: when the rookies are looking real good, I don't know
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: what that says about the rest of your team though.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: Like when, right?
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Like, hang on Bert, Bert, no, no Bert, Bert. I'm
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: intrigued by that specific rookie. I'm intrigued.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: By Brazil or Hopkins?
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: Brazil.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: I'd love to see extended minutes for him and to
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: see how he, behaves and reacts. Maybe it's too early
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: for that. Maybe it's too early. But I'm very curious
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: to see how he behaves with extended minutes.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: Give him those minutes now. Don't give him late in
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: the season.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Okay. Then let's go.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. I'm on the bus.
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  Speaker 5: Bye.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: See ya. We'll be right back. Welcome.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: Last segment of Motion Lombardi and Kane on this Wednesday.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: November 11th of November. We're like, what, a week and
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: a half away from Thanksgiving or something like that.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: It's rolling up. We're almost exactly two weeks away from Thanksgiving,
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: I think, is what's happening. Well, we've got the Nuggets
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: in action tonight. Nuggets take on the Memphis Grizzlies. The
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: Avs are back at it tomorrow in Ottawa. As they
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: face the Sens, Mosher's hopping on that plane. I can't
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: imagine that's a long play ride. Toronto to Ottawa, but
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: who knows?
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Geography. The Broncos are on a bye week. They had
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: a trade yesterday. They pick up young linebacker out of L.A.
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  Speaker 5: In Henley.
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  Speaker 4: Vic, there is no world in which the Denver Broncos
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: would make any division opponent better, right? That's not the
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: way Sean Payton thinks. What do you mean by that?
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, the Chargers gave you, the Chargers just gave
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: you a good player, man.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: And there's no way the Broncos would send somebody to improve,
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: you know, the Raiders or the Chargers or the Chiefs, right?
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: It's happened before.
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  Speaker 6: I remember years ago when they let Kyle Orton pick
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: his team. He goes to Kansas City and they beat
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: the Broncos at the last game of the year.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: But, you know, listen, man, the Chargers have given up.
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: They've surrendered. They've rolled up the white flag. They don't,
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: you know, their future... They've got to reassemble things. Who
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: knows what they're going to do coaching-wise. So when you're
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: that bad off, as the Chargers are, all bets are
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: off regarding helping your division. Now, if the Chargers had
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: any pulse, they probably would not have made the move.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: But because they're without pulse, whatever. Take whatever you want.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: Take it from us.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: Do you think the Chargers move on from Herbert? They're
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: on pace to get the No. 1 pick in the
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: NFL Draft. And if you've got the No. 1 pick
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: in the NFL Draft, you've got to use it on
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: a quarterback, right?
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: I don't think they move on from Herbert. No, man,
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: I think that'd be. Listen, I don't know what's going
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: on behind closed doors, but clearly whatever they did this
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: offseason to bring in McDaniel, it didn't work out. OK,
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: it didn't work out. It doesn't it doesn't work for him.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: They got to find that. I mean, we've seen enough
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: of Justin Herbert to say.
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: That's pretty good quarterback. We've seen enough. You just pull
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: the plug on that now.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, not what that are.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: Not me.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: Not what that are. All right, Vic, this morning at
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: like 5 in the morning, I made a list. And
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: you are a Nugget historian. You might be one of
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: the oldest living Nugget fans still with us, right? Like,
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, you've been watching Nuggets basketball for a long,
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: long time. By 16 points!
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: Nuggets fans still with us. Right?
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: There's not that many, right, who go all the way
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: back to the early 80s when it comes to the Nuggets.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: So I came up with a list. Now, this is
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: my list, and I want to get your opinion of it.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 4: This is, according to me, the top 10 guards in
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  Speaker 4: the history of the Denver Nuggets.
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  Speaker 5: Guards.
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  Speaker 4: Guards.
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  Speaker 5: Guards. Strictly guards.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: Strictly guards.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: Strictly guards.
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: And before we get started, I do want to mention that, like, listen,
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: Alex English is a small forward.
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  Speaker 5: He don't count.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: David Thompson played shooting guard, but he's a small forward.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: He don't count. Melo's a small forward.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: He don't count. I would say David Thompson's a guard.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: See, no, I debated two different guys. David Thompson... But
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: I'm putting Thompson at the small forward position.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: All right, so you're going to take DT off the list.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: I'm taking DT off the list. I'm also taking Allen
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: Iverson off the list.
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  Speaker 5: Because he didn't play here long enough.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: He wasn't prime AI when he was.
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  Speaker 5: I don't like those guys that come in, have a
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: cup of coffee, and leave. That doesn't count. Go ahead.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: I will say, while I was making this list of
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: the best guards in Nuggets history, I will say, after
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: looking at it, I think... The Denver Nuggets could go
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: head-to-head with any team in the NBA at the forward position.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Like, Mello, Skywalker, Alex English, Issel, Lafonso,
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Calvin Nat, Antonio McDyess, Kiki Vandeway, Kenyon Martin, all those.
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: I'm making my own list mentally as you're doing this.
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  Speaker 6: They haven't had that many great guards in the history
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  Speaker 6: of this franchise.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Here's my list. Now, I'm sure you guys can tell
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: me if I missed an old school guy, but number
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: 10 on my list is Nick Van Exel. Nick the Quick.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: He's still eighth on the Nuggets all-time assist list. I
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: have him as the 10th best guard in Nuggets history.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: Number nine, Robert Pack. Robert Pack was a athletic... He
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: used to... We talk about vicious hits in the NHL.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: Robert Pack used to have some of the most vicious
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: dunks in the NBA. Like, he was a spark plug.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: Robert Pack was great. He's number nine. Number eight... It's
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: a personal preference. It's my man, J.R.
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  Speaker 5: Smith.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: I'm putting J.R. Smith as the eighth greatest guard in
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: Denver Nuggets history.
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: He didn't even start. I don't care.
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  Speaker 4: J.R. 's number eight, man. He's on number eight. He's
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: making the head of Robert and Nick.
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  Speaker 5: I don't care. J.R.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: Is number eight on my list.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: How do you put a guy that didn't start on
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: your list?
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Because J.R.
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  Speaker 4: 's the best. That dude is crazy, and I love crazy,
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: and I love chaos, and he's both. Number seven. Michael Adams.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: Michael Adams is number seven. That guy could break down
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: any defense. That dude could get by anybody and get
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: into the lane. So, Michael Adams is number seven. Number six,
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: Ty Lawson. Ty Lawson.
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: God, Ty Lawson at his peak, he was elite. Yeah,
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: that's what- Remember Ty Lawson hit, what was it? Eight
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: or ten straight threes.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Vicky, it might have been nine.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: Was it nine in a row? We have that highlight,
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: so I don't know if we can find it. But, yeah,
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: I remember that, where he just got cooking and he
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: couldn't– didn't he match like Mello and Jamal for the
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: most points in a quarter or something because he caught
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: fire from three or whatever? But yeah, Ty Lawson, I
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: think I would consider Ty on the edge of an
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: NBA all-star player, you know? And then when at his best,
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: he was an all-star. So that's, now let's move to
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: the top five. Top five guards in Nuggets history. Number five,
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: Andre Miller. The master of the alley-oop.
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: I won't fight you on that.
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: He was a quietly confident and very productive guard.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just a lot. I mean, and so much trust
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: by the coaches. Number four... Four on the greatest guards
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: in Nuggets history. Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf. That dude was poetry in motion.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: He was a pure scorer. He was a pure shooter.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: He was one of the few players that you'd get
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: chills when Mahmoud, you start cooking, man. You're like, oh,
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: here we go. So he's the fourth best guard in
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: Nuggets history.
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: I agree with you there. Now the top three. I
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: think I know who the top three are.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: The top three is number three, third best guard in
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: Nuggets history. This might get a little rough. is Chauncey Billups.
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: It's Mr. Big Shot.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: It's the real deal from Park Hill. The King of
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: Park Hill is number three overall. Now, Chauncey's path through
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: the NBA is crazy. He played for a lot of
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: different teams. His peak was Detroit, obviously. Yes, when he
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: won the title. Denver traded him to Orlando. He was
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: drafted by Boston. Then Boston traded him to Toronto. Then
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: Toronto traded him to Denver. Then Denver got him from Detroit.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: Then he was part of the Iverson deal in 08.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: But yeah, and then part of the Mellow blockbuster in 2011.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: So that's Chauncey at No. 3. So we're at the
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: top two now. No. 2, the greatest guard in Nuggets history.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: is Fat Lever. The triple, double, trendsetter.
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  Speaker 8: Yep.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: Fat Lever did everything well.
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: One of the most underrated guards in NBA history, to
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: be honest with you. Yeah, probably.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: If he played right now, oh yeah.
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: If he played right now in the era of the triple-double,
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: so much money. People would look at him and say,
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: how does this guy do it?
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so much money.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: Especially at his height, right? And number one on the list,
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: the greatest guard in Denver Nugget history, you're watching him
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: play right now, it's Jamal Murray.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not going to fight you on that.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to fight you. Now you can debate
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: the top three. And I understand. Listen, Chauncey Billups, his
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: resume speaks for itself. I mean, finals MVP, Mr. Big Shot.
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: But I think because he did a lot of that
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: in a different uniform, you're applying what you've done in
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: this uniform. And Jamal has played his entire career here, right?
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: His entire career. So that's why you give him the edge.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: He has, like, matter of fact, I would say the
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: greatest guard in Nugget history is three different guards. It's
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: the blue arrow. When Jamal gets swaggy and goes full
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: blue arrow, that's a lot of fun to watch. bubble
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: Jamal might've been the funnest NBA player to watch play basketball.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, bubble back to back 50 point games in
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: the playoffs in the bubble against Utah. That's some of the,
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: and then angry Jamal is one of my favorite basketball
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: players of all time.
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to fight you on that, but I
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: think you have, you have to differentiate between scoring guards
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: and guard. Like Chauncey Billups was a classic point guard
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: who could score when he needed to, but he ran
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: the team. He organized the team. It's a different guard. Like,
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: Mahmoud was a scoring guard. Fat was an organizer. Andre
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: Miller was an organizer.
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: That's what they did.
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: My buddy Tom Green reminds us, Ralph Simpson back in
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: the day for us olds, and I remember a little
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: bit of Ralph Simpson. He was an ABA guy for
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: the Nuggets before this NBA thing happened, and he was
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: a five-time All-Star. I met Ralph when they did that
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: ABA movie.
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: He was a stud.
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: You would have to go way back and put him
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: on that list. I can't quibble with your list. It's
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: just those top three guys, you can put.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: Them in any order.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: You might put Chauncey in front of Phat. I mean,
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: Lafayette was good enough that, well, no, Jamal's the best guard.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: Why do you think it is? Your point is well taken, though.
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: When you look at the history of the Denver Nuggets,
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: their forte— is in the forward and.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: Big man position.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what's that about, do you think? I mean, they
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: have truly great forwards. The Nuggets in their history have truly.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: Just a stable of great forwards.
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: I mean, if you look at the history of bigger
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: players in Denver, much more decorated players from.
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: Dan Issel, Dikembe, I mean, obviously Jokic, Alex English led
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: the 80s in scoring. They're much more decorated than the guards.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: I don't know why that's the case, but I like that.
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: I like that you came in and gave me that list.
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: That makes you think a little bit about where we stand.
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: We are witnessing, yeah, we're witnessing Jamal Murray in front
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: of us.
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: The greatest guard in X history. One of the greatest
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: guards to play. I mean, he will be up there.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: His name, his number will be retired. Yeah, he already leads.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: The Nuggets in multiple, most three-pointers made, most three-pointers taken. Yeah,
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: he's up there in a lot of categories.
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: His number will be retired. There's no doubt about it.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: You are watching the greatest guard in Nuggets history and
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: the greatest player in Nuggets history, the greatest center in
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: Nuggets history, and it's all happening right now.
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: Right now. And now they just need some help.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, find me. They need another one of those forwards
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: to get me. Matter of fact, you add me, add
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: a prime, prime Alex English, and you're good.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: We're good.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: We're money.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: I do... Winning it all. I disagree with you on
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: the Van Exel. I don't think he played here long enough. Really?
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: Well, see, at number 10, he's just kind of like...
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: Like I put Nick Van Exel. I'm going to make
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: another list. The top five funniest nuggets in, in, in
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: franchise history. Nick Van Exel is in the top five
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: funniest nuggets. Nick Van in, in a kind of, in
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: the Iverson kind of way. What I did was just
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: talk trash. That was absolutely hilarious. He would talk trash
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: to anybody, everybody. We had him on the broadcast. He
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: did color for us one time and he was talking
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: trash about his teammates and the officials and the coaches
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: on the broadcast. It was great.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: It was absolutely fantastic.
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: Well, I take your list, and I acknowledge it, and
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: You did some good work there because I was hoping
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: you would not forget Michael Adams, who I think was
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: a very underrated guard. He came in before the three-point
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: shot was a big deal, and he started shooting threes
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: for this team.
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: He sort of made it vogue for the Nuggets.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember Michael Adams was one of those guys
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: that I was like, I wish I had that handle
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: because you can't stop him. If he wanted to get
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: into the lane, he was getting into the lane. There
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: was nothing you can do about it, but either way.
• 43:36
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  Speaker 7: Which city in the wonderful state of Colorado?
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: Where are they?
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: Westminster. See, Sanford knows. How do you say Westminster, Sanford?
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Hold on, Sanford.
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: I'm really happy for you, and I'm going to let
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: you finish.
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: But I have to say, this debate that we're having,
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: it's not the first time we've had this exact debate
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: on this exact here station. I want to take you
• 44:21
  Speaker 7: back to November of 2023. I was filling in for
• 44:25
  Speaker 7: Dan Tanner on PhD, and DMACC and Tyler Poulombis, Colorado
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: native Tyler Poulombis, We're on location broadcasting from a Dave's
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: Hot Chicken Inn.
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  Speaker 3: We're up at my old stomping grounds up in Westminster.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Tell him.
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: How do you say it? Tell him.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: I've always said it Westminster.
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: Excuse me? Westminster.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: This is a DMACC thing too.
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: DMACC doesn't like the way you say Westminster?
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Westminster.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: Coach, I mean, Vic.
• 44:52
  Speaker 8: Listen, I grew up in a town that was right
• 44:55
  Speaker 8: next to another version of that same city.
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: So I grew up in Seal Beach, California. All right.
• 45:01
  Speaker 8: And the mall that I went to growing up was
• 45:03
  Speaker 8: in Westminster.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: Westminster.
• 45:06
  Speaker 8: And people would be like, hey, you want to go
• 45:07
  Speaker 8: to Westminster Mall? It was not Westminster. What are we
• 45:10
  Speaker 8: doing here, people?
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: I don't know why people are asking folks from the
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: south part of town that, you know, for those of
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: us who live on the north and west side of town,
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: we don't even acknowledge you people.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: Do you know it was Westminster at all?
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: This is our side of town. We don't acknowledge folks
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: from the south and the east.
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: You know what?
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: Is Westminster the fancy part of North Denver? Because, listen,
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: we got Cherry Hills down here, right? We got Cherry
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: Hills down here in the south. Like, right? Is Westminster fantasy?
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: Are you kidding me?
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: For not having northern chops?
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: I lived in Frederick, Colorado for four years, man. That's
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: as northern Colorado as it gets. All right, you know what?
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: We got to wrap this up. For Vic Lombardi and
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: Mark Mosier and Brett Kane and Steve Nelson, I'm Mark Bernoulli.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: Thanks for tuning into the program. We got the morning
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• 45:57
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