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#2560 - David Grusch · The Joe Rogan Experience

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  Speaker 1: The joe rogan experience train.
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  Speaker 2: By day joe rogan podcast by night all day all right.
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  Speaker 3: We're up david what's up thanks for having me back
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  Speaker 3: on my pleasure yeah well you're the one who's closest
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  Speaker 3: to the flame so tell me what's going.
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  Speaker 1: On i know right so uh living the nightmare is
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  Speaker 1: what i tell my friends so it's definitely um been
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  Speaker 1: a tough several years or so and uh you know
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  Speaker 1: last time we were on Uh, just testified in front
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  Speaker 1: of Congress and, uh, the UAP disclosure act of 23 was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, possibly getting passed.
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  Speaker 3: It failed to get passed.
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  Speaker 1: And then I, um, based on, you know, things I
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  Speaker 1: know about the Biden administration, things I heard from the
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  Speaker 1: white house, I decided to kind of lay low for
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  Speaker 1: a year.
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  Speaker 3: So 24, I didn't do too much.
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  Speaker 1: And then, uh, representative Burleson had this crazy idea to,
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  Speaker 1: to hire me as a professional staff member for Congress,
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  Speaker 1: working for him. Turns out, I guess I was like
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  Speaker 1: the first guy that ever testified in front of Congress
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  Speaker 1: as a whistleblower and then being subsequently hired by Congress.
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  Speaker 1: I was the first guy to ever do that, which
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  Speaker 1: is very interesting and very cool. And I do thank
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  Speaker 1: Burleson for his leadership on that. And so I did
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  Speaker 1: that for about a year and a half. Just finished up, actually.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, you know what?
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  Speaker 1: I'm staying longer than I thought. I'm going to wait
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  Speaker 1: until Labor Day, see where things are. I worked pretty
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  Speaker 1: hard over summer recess in August and decided to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: wind down some of my activities because I accomplished a
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  Speaker 1: lot of my objectives.
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  Speaker 3: We can get into that, obviously.
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  Speaker 1: And then kind of move into, I'll call it my
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  Speaker 1: next phase of operations, which includes a little break for me.
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  Speaker 1: It's been very tiring. I've been kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: going full throttle for the last couple of years and whatnot.
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  Speaker 1: And so we're really at a, I think a poignant
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  Speaker 1: moment in US history with what Trump's done and in
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  Speaker 1: the things you've seen in the media and whatnot. And
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of other stuff happening behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 1: Cause you know, a lot of my work has been
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  Speaker 1: private behind the scenes, you know, working for Congress specifically
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  Speaker 1: representative Burleson.
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  Speaker 3: So let me ask you the environment. So are there
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  Speaker 3: some people in Congress that are interested in disclosure of
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  Speaker 3: this stuff and pursue you and want to find out
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  Speaker 3: information and, want you to tell them what's going on,
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  Speaker 3: and are there other people that are resisting this?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a big bifurcation of the non-believers
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  Speaker 1: and then kind of the UAP caucus, although you see
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  Speaker 1: more and more people kind of signing on to the cause.
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  Speaker 1: Like I did a presser back in June in front
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  Speaker 1: of the Capitol with members, and we even had Brigadier
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  Speaker 1: General retired Representative Scott Perry there who was on the
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  Speaker 1: House Intelligence Committee from my home state of PA. And
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  Speaker 1: it was good to see other members start showing that
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  Speaker 1: they support the cause. But it has been challenging behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes. And I had many SCIF classified meetings with
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  Speaker 1: the members kind of going over the topological history of
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  Speaker 1: this topic and some of the deeper, darker kind of
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  Speaker 1: criminal stuff I bumped into and how I worked with
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  Speaker 1: DOJ to kind of highlight some.
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  Speaker 3: Of that stuff. What kind of criminal stuff?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so when I was looking into this, and I
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  Speaker 1: have to be very respectful of my participation in this
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  Speaker 1: because it's an ongoing thing with DOJ. I was following
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  Speaker 1: the money, bumping into other activities, very much like, actually
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  Speaker 1: it's sort of related. If you saw on the news
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  Speaker 1: that David Rush, very similar name to me, it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of freaky, but he was arrested with $ 40 million of
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  Speaker 1: gold bars. He was a CIA officer. He made a
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  Speaker 1: fake continuity of government special access program. And he went
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  Speaker 1: under the radar basically doing his own thing and getting
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  Speaker 1: gold and Rolexes and stuff, and the FBI raided his
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  Speaker 1: house back in May. True story.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the guy has a— Is that gold bars?
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  Speaker 1: He had $ 40 million of gold bars.
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  Speaker 3: Where did he get the gold bars?
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  Speaker 1: From the agency.
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  Speaker 3: They have them laying around?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't get into all the details of why
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  Speaker 1: the government.
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  Speaker 3: Wait a minute. Hold on. The government has gold bars? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And this guy just snatched them?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he made– I don't know all the details, but
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  Speaker 1: he made a fake continuity of government special access program
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  Speaker 1: that nobody was briefed into. He like papered it and
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  Speaker 1: nobody at the CIA questioned what he was doing and
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  Speaker 1: he was like, well, I need 40 million in gold
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  Speaker 1: bars because of the special continuity of government activity.
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  Speaker 3: Wait a minute. So that's how they fund some things?
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  Speaker 3: In gold bars? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like in Afghanistan when I was over there,
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  Speaker 1: I'd have guys with briefcases full of $ 100, 000 in cash
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  Speaker 1: because you have to pay for things, right?
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  Speaker 3: But that kind of makes more sense to me than
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  Speaker 3: lugging around gold.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: What does like 40 million in gold bars look like?
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  Speaker 1: I saw the seizure photos.
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  Speaker 3: It's a lot. Can I see what that looks like?
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  Speaker 3: It's approximately 303 gold bars that each weigh approximately one
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  Speaker 3: kilogram apiece. Yo. Yo. That's a lot of weight. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I was looking for a picture. There's only like AI
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  Speaker 3: photos of it. At least that I could find something.
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  Speaker 3: So a kilogram is 1.2, 2.2 pounds? Yeah, 2.28 or something.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: He's got 600 pounds of gold? Yeah. Where the fuck
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  Speaker 3: do you put this? He just had it in his house?
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  Speaker 1: He did have it in his house.
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  Speaker 3: Just laying around?
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  Speaker 1: Bunch of Rolexes and all that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, so he was just going crazy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, who knows what he was really going to use
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  Speaker 1: the gold for, but that's an open-ended thing.
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  Speaker 3: And he was arrested. Was he pretending that he was
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  Speaker 3: using it for some disclosure-type deal, or did it have
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  Speaker 3: anything to do with UAPs?
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  Speaker 1: Not that I'm aware of, but that same ecosystem I
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  Speaker 1: bumped into. So his fabricated program was a continuity government program.
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  Speaker 1: So that's like, you know, if something bad happens, people
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  Speaker 1: are going to a hideout site, you know, sanitized location.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And so what I bumped into— unfortunately was like the
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  Speaker 1: deep underbelly of the federal government.
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  Speaker 3: We can get into it.
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  Speaker 1: It's, it's a lot of stuff I've never talked about
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  Speaker 1: because it's just very terrifying. And I, you know, I've
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  Speaker 1: been through a lot of, a lot of crazy shits
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  Speaker 1: and I ended up bumping into a criminal enterprise, uh,
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  Speaker 1: run out of a particular agency. And, um, it was basically, um,
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  Speaker 1: getting money through certain criminal endeavors, the most unspeakable type
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  Speaker 1: of criminal endeavors, uh, Under the cover of certain national
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  Speaker 1: security programs.
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  Speaker 3: That's about as. When you say certain unspeakable. Yeah. You
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  Speaker 3: mean like, what do you mean? Like trafficking? Yeah. Like
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  Speaker 3: child trafficking? So the government was involved in child trafficking
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  Speaker 3: for money.
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  Speaker 1: Officers of the government.
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  Speaker 3: That's true. Yeah. It's.
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  Speaker 1: It's fucked up. I, uh, I briefed members in a
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  Speaker 1: classified setting, all the details. Um, and I, I'm highlighting
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  Speaker 1: that because this is how serious this issue is, is
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  Speaker 1: there's an ecosystem and there's a lot of good people
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  Speaker 1: around these programs, uh, in terms of the UAP side.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I know a lot of them, they're friends of mine,
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  Speaker 1: they're patriotic people doing their duty, but there is like
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  Speaker 1: a small little cast system of characters, um, that are
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  Speaker 1: part of this larger ecosystem of, uh, no holds barred.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to do what we want.
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, we're going to do whatever kind of
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  Speaker 1: criminal activity to get a washed money for our cutouts. Like,
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  Speaker 1: so a good example, of course, would be Iran Contra, right?
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  Speaker 1: Which is very famous, 86. And the CIA was engaged
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  Speaker 1: in those kinds of activities. And this has all been
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  Speaker 1: exposed all over North and all that to fund the Contras,
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  Speaker 1: weapons purchases, procurement, et cetera. And a lot of that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, seemed to possibly be drug trafficking. The government
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  Speaker 1: never confirmed that, but you look at Barry Seale and
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  Speaker 1: And his statements in the 80s and 90s, and it's
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  Speaker 1: likely that that probably occurred.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was all through Freeway Ricky Ross. Yeah, that's right. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Ricky's been on the podcast multiple times.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: That's right. He was on, what was it, like two
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  Speaker 3: years ago, a year and a half ago? Last time
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  Speaker 3: he was on. It's funny because he's out now, became
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  Speaker 3: an attorney while he was in jail, found out, learned
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  Speaker 3: to read first. Okay, couldn't read. became an attorney in jail,
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  Speaker 3: found out that they tried him. You know that triple jeopardy,
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  Speaker 3: three strikes thing? Yeah. They tried him incorrectly. They used
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  Speaker 3: that incorrectly because it's supposed to be three different times
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  Speaker 3: you were arrested instead of like three crimes that were
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  Speaker 3: attached to one arrest. So he gets out of jail.
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  Speaker 3: Now he sells legal weed.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 3: All right. Lovely guy. Yeah. But he's a great guy.
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  Speaker 3: But he had no idea that he was selling cocaine
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  Speaker 3: to fund the Contras versus the Sandinistas. Interesting. He had
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  Speaker 3: no idea. He thought that he was just a slick
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  Speaker 3: character that just knew what he was doing. He didn't
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  Speaker 3: realize that the CIA was literally allowing him to do it.
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  Speaker 3: And then we've also had Michael Rupert on the podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know who he is? No. Michael Rupert was
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  Speaker 3: the LA narcotics officer that I believe was on C-SPAN.
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  Speaker 3: He went on C-SPAN during a hearing and he exposed
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  Speaker 3: the entire organization selling drugs in South Central Los Angeles
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  Speaker 3: because He was involved in it. He was involved in
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  Speaker 3: like busting people that were doing it. And then they
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  Speaker 3: told him he has to leave it alone because it
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  Speaker 3: was the CIA. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so when I bumped into that stuff, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I immediately worked at the Department of Justice.
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  Speaker 3: That's one level. But like child trafficking is another level.
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  Speaker 3: I know, man.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's it's really fucked up. And and there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of details that are. I have a lot more
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  Speaker 1: questions than answers. And I, you know, I worked with
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  Speaker 1: DOJ and, you know, from what I understand, I got
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  Speaker 1: a gold star and a brief to Kash Patel about
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  Speaker 1: it last year. I wasn't in the briefing, but I,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I was told I got kudos, but it
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  Speaker 1: was very disturbing. And so like, obviously a lot of
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  Speaker 1: these programs are legal in the sense that there's, in
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  Speaker 1: terms of UAP stuff, there's, you know, classified executive orders
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  Speaker 1: back in the day that covers them. And And they're
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  Speaker 1: upstanding citizens. And we could litigate like, you know, Congress
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  Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily brought into the fold. enough from an oversight perspective,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera. But, you know, the core of the program,
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  Speaker 1: you know, does have a legal beginning. But when you
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  Speaker 1: don't have oversight, unfortunately, certain small pockets of people start
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  Speaker 1: doing shit that they shouldn't have. And I– I got
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  Speaker 1: deeply ensnared in that. There was a very small group
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  Speaker 1: of people that pushed me over the edge and I
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  Speaker 1: had to do what I got to do to protect myself.
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  Speaker 1: I never wanted to be a whistleblower. I was a
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  Speaker 1: deeply entrenched 15-year intel officer, military officer in the Air Force.
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  Speaker 1: I was working some of the country's most sensitive issues,
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  Speaker 1: sort of going to the White House to brief the
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  Speaker 1: National Security Council in my mid-20s on space issues back
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  Speaker 1: during the Obama administration. In 2019, when I joined the
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  Speaker 1: UAP task force and I was tasked to investigate this,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, sure, I'll look into it. The special
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  Speaker 1: access program or black program community has a lot of
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  Speaker 1: dysfunction and maybe some stuff wasn't reported correctly. And I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know really what I was going to find, but
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  Speaker 1: if there was a U.S. program, I'd figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: I'd probably get cleared to it and we'd be fine.
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  Speaker 1: We'd have like a mafia meeting and I know why
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  Speaker 1: it was protected the way it is and whatnot. But unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: about a year and a half, about October 2020, is
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  Speaker 1: when kind of.
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  Speaker 3: My life changed.
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  Speaker 1: And particular individuals, instead of coming to me, who knew me,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, personally, I know them personally. Now, Dave,
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  Speaker 1: you're bumping into something. You know, I'm going to defensively
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  Speaker 1: brief you. This is what it is. Or, hey, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to slide an NDA, sign this, and I'll read
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  Speaker 1: you in. And my colleagues and I joked about that. Like,
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  Speaker 1: we're bumping in the shit. Eventually somebody's going to knock
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  Speaker 1: on my door in my office and be like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I need to talk to you. And unfortunately that never happens.
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  Speaker 1: It's really tragic because that would have been an easier way.
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  Speaker 1: But I immediately got administratively nuked in October 2020. And
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  Speaker 1: basically they went after everybody around me. My boss at
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  Speaker 1: the National Reconnaissance Office as, you know, Major Grush, the
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  Speaker 1: Air Force officer in the reserves, got walked out of
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  Speaker 1: NRO headquarters in Chantilly, Virginia under fabricated personal conduct things.
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  Speaker 1: And they went after, you know, my chief of staff
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  Speaker 1: who worked for me at NGA when I was 15
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  Speaker 1: and and co-workers, people they thought were my enablers.
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  Speaker 3: Right. And so.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought, okay, I could fight this. They're bringing
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  Speaker 1: up like my mental health stuff, which we've talked about before, Afghanistan, PTSD.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I reported it. I was cleared of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: no problems, kept my top secret clearance. And I still
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  Speaker 1: have my top secret clearance, but it got very, very
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  Speaker 1: scary in early 2022. And I've avoided talking about this
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  Speaker 1: for a long time. And I've mentioned in my hearing
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  Speaker 1: in 2023, you know, I was, you know, I'm, I'm
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  Speaker 1: here in fear for my life, et cetera. Well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the criminal stuff. I found stuff
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  Speaker 1: that's happened in my personal life and stuff. And so
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  Speaker 1: back in early 2022, um, everything's fine. Uh, started, uh,
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  Speaker 1: noticing some suspicious activity, um, near where I live. And I,
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  Speaker 1: Didn't think much of it. Thought it was kind of strange.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't want to quite go into all the details.
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  Speaker 1: But basically, later one particular day, I was sent a
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  Speaker 1: message that they can touch me and my wife. And
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  Speaker 1: they know where we are.
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  Speaker 3: And what do you think this is– was this because
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  Speaker 3: of the child trafficking stuff? Was this because of some
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  Speaker 3: other illegal activity with no oversight?
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  Speaker 1: You know, in– Private environments, I was asked what red line,
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  Speaker 1: what trip wire did I cross? To this day, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know specifically. I suspect based on them, what turns
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  Speaker 1: out they were monitoring my classified computer at work, my
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  Speaker 1: investigation notes that I would keep encrypted on there. I
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  Speaker 1: think they were very worried about that I figured out
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  Speaker 1: a lot of things. And I still don't know for
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  Speaker 1: sure though. And there's a lot of other things too.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I'm kind of jumping around because in early 2021,
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  Speaker 1: certain people that were helping me and I was talking
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  Speaker 1: to started to experience Havana syndrome symptoms, anomalous health incidents.
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  Speaker 1: And I know a lot about that. That's another kind
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  Speaker 1: of ecosystem I was an expert in the government. And
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  Speaker 1: of course, my first thing is like, huh, did you
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  Speaker 1: piss off the Russians or Chinese or some other kind
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  Speaker 1: of foreign intelligence service? Because you don't think domestic. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, what did you do in your career? Were
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  Speaker 1: you on covert action programs? Did you like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: bomb some, you know, adversaries building and they're pissed off
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  Speaker 1: at you and they hold a grudge. And so I
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  Speaker 1: noticed that I wasn't going to equate that to the topic.
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  Speaker 1: But I was very nervous about that because people I
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  Speaker 1: know were starting to experience those symptoms, specifically microwave-directed energy,
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  Speaker 1: most likely, just based on certain tradecraft they were doing
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  Speaker 1: to detect it, which I won't get into the details
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  Speaker 1: of that, and then their symptomology, so to speak.
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  Speaker 3: And so that was frightening.
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  Speaker 1: And in that 2021 timeframe, I was sitting at home.
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  Speaker 1: I was getting, you know, investigated by three agencies and–
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  Speaker 1: I really didn't know what was going on. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of my colleagues were going to continuing on that investigation
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  Speaker 1: on my behalf. And eventually in late 2021, NGA hired
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  Speaker 1: me as a 15 off the street, kind of came
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  Speaker 1: back into government full time. I was hoping that agency
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  Speaker 1: would protect me against, you know, the CIA and the
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  Speaker 1: NRO and certain elements of the DOD that were going
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  Speaker 1: after me because of these couple antagonists that were trying to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, basically push me over the edge administratively. But
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  Speaker 1: I crossed the Rubicon in early 2022 when I was
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  Speaker 1: sent a message. And it was the same day I
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  Speaker 1: was sent a message, other people got that message too.
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  Speaker 1: So it was coordinated geographically. And of course, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I reported that to federal law enforcement, kind of intelligence element.
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  Speaker 1: And at the time, I'm like, well, you know, there
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  Speaker 1: was one adversarial intelligence agency that had an interest in
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  Speaker 1: me several years ago. And I had a little incident
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  Speaker 1: that was actually kind of funny. So I wasn't sure.
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  Speaker 1: if it was like the U S government or even
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  Speaker 1: if it was related, um, to the, my investigation. And
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  Speaker 1: then several, several, uh, weeks later, and I was, I
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  Speaker 1: get chills talking about this cause it's, it's kind of upsetting. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I was, uh, in DC, um, for a conference on
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  Speaker 1: UAP actually, uh, for my, for my agency NGA at
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  Speaker 1: the time. And I got summoned to an off books, uh, Senate,
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  Speaker 1: Intel committee, uh, we'll call it meeting in their, you know,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: their skiff right there, their vault where you can talk
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: classified information and certain individuals were there known to me, um,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: great credentials, people I've known for a while, uh, in
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: my line of work. And so was, you know, a dozen,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: dozen and a half, uh, senior staff for Marco Rubio,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Mark Werner, you.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: Know, et cetera, right.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: And in that meeting, Uh, we, you know, we talked
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: about the legacy program, the history, many hours, and I'm
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: gonna fly on the wall. Like this is really for
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Senate staff. I'm just kind of sitting in the back and,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: you know, they turned to staff and they, you know,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: they pointed at me and they're like, um, oh, by
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: the way, you know, the, these couple individuals and they,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: and they named the individuals.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I know who they are. Um, uh, they, uh,
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: wanted to kill you.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: And, um, I know Lou Elizondo talked about it, but
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: why I do not know that for sure. I think, well, so, um, Hmm.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Be careful what I say.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Uh, there are certain presidential findings that allow certain things
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: to protect critical things in the government. And my assessment
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: is I was getting so close to exposing it. Cause
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I was sort of preparing my inspector generals, uh, report
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: to the IG that I must have crossed some sort
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: of Rubicon. I still would like to know. And I
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: hope these people are, you know, brought to justice. And that's,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: you know, my wish and dream. And hopefully Department of
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Justice does what's needed.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: But there's an investigation ongoing right now. Yes, on that.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: And that's all I'll say defensively, not to interference.
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• 20:07
  Speaker 3: much of this do you think has to do with
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: actual UAP disclosure and how much of it has to
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: do with the lack of oversight that allowed people to
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: do illegal activities?
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I think some problem children decided to abuse some standing
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: options to protect critical– infrastructure in the United States, which,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: you know, for example, that would be like a Air
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Force flight line, a ICBM silo, other activities. And they
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: decided I was some sort of threat. And it's, it's
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: so disgusting, because I, you know, like I said, I
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: was a field grade officer in Air Force, I was
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: a GS-15 at CIA, Colonel Cleveland civilian. And I'm sitting
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: there in Senate chambers, and I'm hearing this, and I
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: won't get into all the details in a lot I heard, like,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: you know, all the details on that.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: And I don't want to.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Like burn my sources. And, and I just remember how
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: upset Senate staff was. And to the point where, you know,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: a particular staffer who's very senior went to his office
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: and got some whiskey and, you know, all of them
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: started drinking in the skiff. Cause it's like, everybody was afraid. Like,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: are they serious? They're like, they literally were thinking about
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: killing fucking Dave. And like, and I found out that
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: there was a kibosh to that. That's a, Longer story
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: for someday if I could ever, you know, discuss the
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: whole history.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: So it was considered, but then it was kiboshed. Yes,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: thank God.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: And I know how it was stopped, and I owe
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: some people a debt of gratitude, literally. And this was
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: just a few weeks after, you know, I was sent
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: a message. And even after the meeting, we were finding stuff,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: and other people were finding stuff to let– people know
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: that they're being tracked. And I know this sounds like
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: so fucking crazy and all that.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: But that happened. Well, so does someone having $ 40 million
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: in gold hanging out their house and a bunch of Rolexes.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Never did I think, you know, I'm a very patriotic guy.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: I love serving America. You know, it hurts me every
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: day not having the uniform anymore. And knowing that was
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the level that they thought about going to because of
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: this interesting interpretation of certain standing options. And eventually in
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: this disclosure process, a lot of that will come out.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I just have to be careful what I say now
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: until the president figures out how to release some of
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: this history, unfortunately.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I understood. So one of the things that we talked
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: about before, so you were scheduled for another podcast a
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: while back, but flights got canceled and we moved it today.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: But you were saying that it's actually fortuitous that it
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: was rescheduled.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of things are happening. I see the
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: administration getting really, really serious on this. And I think
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: people don't appreciate the courage that Trump is showing right now,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: ordering the government to release everything we know about this topic.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Courage how so? Like you think he's in danger from
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: releasing this information?
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Not necessarily, but it's the ontological shock and the history
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: coming out and sort of the outrage I mean, I
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: think it'll be uniting sort of like in post 9-11
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: America after the towers fell, right? You have the fear
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: of dirty bombs and other terrorist attacks, but you also
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: have this like a uniting panacea that kind of brings
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: people together. Do you think that is equivalent to what's
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: happening right now? It will be.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: What is going to happen?
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: So I believe before Trump's term ends that it's all
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: going to come out.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: What does that mean? I really do.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Everything I've testified about, you know, the fact that, you know,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: we've been studying this for a while. We've recovered material,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: aka intact, semi-intact craft. We've, you know, recovered this anomalous
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: intelligence piloting the craft. And, you know, we are reverse
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: engineering that. And obviously there's other parts to that. It's
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: very complicated ecosystem. A lot of people who are just
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: release it all, show us Indiana Jones warehouse tour, don't
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: appreciate the care that we're going to have to proceed
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: with because this is not a static ecosystem. This isn't
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: just like archaeology where you're digging up stuff. You are
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: dealing with third parties, both human, adversarial countries, etc.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: They have their own program.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Then you have this anomalous intelligence, our visitors, NHI, whatever
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: you want to call them, ultra-terrestrial, depending on what taxonomy
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: in the tree that you want to ascribe some of
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: this origin to. And And of course, you know, the
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: national security related technology that has been derived. We've derived
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: great stuff to defend America. I've had exposure on that.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: And, you know, I'm very reverent to that. We've derived
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: it through back engineering. Yeah, yeah. 100%? Yes.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Well, some of it, it was inspiration. It wasn't a one-to-one,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: like we unlocked the iPhone. It was like, huh, that's
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: an interesting material. Look at that frequency selective surface property.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: You know what? We could use that for... an aerospace
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: application or whatever. And so a lot of it was
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: garnered via inspiration, not one-to-one. In some cases, I suppose
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: we did, but like that's been most of it.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: So what's the holdup in terms of disclosure?
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I necessarily can't read the president's mind. There's certainly a
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: multilateral kind of diplomatic issue. I mean, so we're in
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: this issue now where once we cross the Rubicon, then
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: we affect allies and adversaries. You know, our adversaries have programs.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: What are they going to tell their citizenry? You have
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: a possible theological distress, Vatican, et cetera. And I'm, you know,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I'm a Catholic and I certainly appreciate the Vatican's long
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: study on this subject and they've just stayed quiet on
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: what they know. And so it's, there's a lot of
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: like collateral effects. If you're not careful with certain stuff, you,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: you can, you know, trigger a response. And there is
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: great fear that, uh, I don't necessarily believe in this,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: but like there has been assessments in the past that,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: you know, revealing certain things may, you know, trigger.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: A response from a third party. Trigger response from them,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: from these.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Possibly.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Entities. Yes.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: And that is a, that has been written up. Uh,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: so the government think tanks wrote that up and reports
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: to previous presidents. So the, the, the, the theory is
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: that we disclose, uh, People are now aware of it
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: all over the globe and they decide to show themselves. Yeah.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a real fear of like
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: a Ghostbusters moment, I'll say.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, boy. You know, and.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: It's one of those things where I'm trying to walk
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: the line and be as diplomatic as possible and also
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: trying to prepare the populace at the same time, because
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: clearly The government hasn't right now. And I mean, Trump
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: wants it out for sure. His team needs to be
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: astute enough to know what to ask for, you know,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: massage the deep state and get that information. Because we
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: just saw Tim Burchette on Benny Johnson's podcast talk about
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Stephen Miller called him and was like, hey, I'm getting blocked,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: like physically blocked from access to a lot of this stuff. And,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: you know, that's very concerning. I would say Stephen Miller
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: is an alpha dog. He's a pit bull. And as
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: a fellow alpha, I do appreciate his.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: That's a silly thing to say. Yeah. You know that, right? What?
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: A fellow alpha.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Fellow alpha.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Opened yourself up to, like, tremendous amounts of ridicule. Yeah,
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: I know. I know.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, nobody's perfect. And I know everybody has their faults.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: But I do appreciate the fervency. He is attacking the
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: issue behind the scenes.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: And I just... I think he needs.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: guided the right way and informed and kind of how
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: to cut this deal.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: I met him very briefly at the UFC event at
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: the White House and he told me that it's going
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: to come out. I'm like, okay.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: That's good. Well, there you go.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: It was really quick. He's like, I know you're interested
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: in this. This is literally all we talked about. The
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: UFO thing is going to come out. I'm like, okay, when?
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: When's it coming out? Let's go.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Exactly. And Trump understands the subject pretty good and he's
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: in the know and he understands some of the implications.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: So I, like I said, he has a lot of
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: courage because this is likely going to change society in
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: a big way. I can't necessarily, I'm not like a
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: social anthropologist or a psychiatrist. Like I can't necessarily predict
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: in what specific ways it might reduce, you know, fetal
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: nation state peer competition and other things. Uh, but it
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: is going to change. And I, and I think when
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: people look back at this interview, it's going to be
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: very haunting because I think in short order, you know,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: before Trump leaves office, uh, We're going to be.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: In a new paradigm.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: And I'm normally a very pessimistic, cynical person. A lot
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: of my friends know that. But I I have great
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: confidence that the president is doing the right thing.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: And I feel.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: There's eventually going to there are the people that are
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: in charge of this are going to have to comply
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: with the president's order. And but there's a right way of.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: doing this, I think. And I, like I said, I'm
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: not some sycophant for the deep state. I'm a whistleblower, obviously. And,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: you know, I have, um, philosophical differences about how this
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: was kept and how they could possibly reveal stuff. But I,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I am surprisingly confident, which is, which is kind of
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: weird for me to say, because I just see the
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: tea leaves. I know Miller's serious. Um, there's other people
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: in government serious. I mean, even see Aaron Lucas, the
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: PDD and I, the deputy director of national intelligence, you know,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: sign these big NDA waivers. It includes like any kind
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: of waiver of not even telling the president, sorry, you
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: have to tell us kind of thing. And, And so
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: you're seeing kind of the chessboard being set. I know
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: everybody's not happy with the tranches coming out with the
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: low-hanging fruit videos and recordings and stuff. And Representative Burleson
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: and I, before I left his office recently, got a
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: 1952 recording that was still classified from Blue Book talking
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: about the seriousness of this issue and all the crazy
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: shit that they're seeing near nuclear sites and test ranges,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: which is interesting because.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: In that video that's been declassified, it mentions the very
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: sites that in modern day have that same anomalous activity
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: to include stuff in the southwest. I can't say where.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: It's in the ecosystem, in the open source, but the
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: executive branch hasn't acknowledged what specific tests and training range.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: They're seeing crazy orbs that they can't explain. This accost
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: helicopters and all that.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: So is Trump experiencing resistance, in your opinion? Yes. Um,
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: and I.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Don't know all the details, but, uh, clearly, clearly Miller has,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: and a lot of it is, I think, and I
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: can't read the mind of the deep state, but as
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: a former deep stater, uh, I would say that there's
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: always been this kind of disdain for political appointees and
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: they don't, and members of Congress, like they don't, they
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: don't have the reverence on this issue. They're going to
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: fuck it up. They're that they shouldn't have about a
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: classified program. And that's why some classified programs are kept
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: from Congress. It's called waived programs. And the only presidents
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: that were really, really involved were the ones like H.W.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Bush, right?
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: He was CI director. He was fully briefed on this issue.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: A lot of that lore is true about H.W.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Bush.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Cheney, like I've talked about, fully in this. He was
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: the mob boss for many years. He was kind of
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: the head of this activity. And So I think there's
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: some testing of the waters right now. It's kind of
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: like cat's paw dynamic, like, you know, we'll give you
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit of this, a little bit of that.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: And they're seeing how the administration is going to potentially
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: roll this out. And obviously, if the White House wants
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: my opinion, I'm available. But I do trust the president's
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: team hopefully will be able to handle this. And because
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: if Trump doesn't, enforce his order and see this through,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think any other president is going to be
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: able to. I mean, regardless of Democrat, left, right, whatever,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: like if he follows through on this, he's going to
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: be the goat.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: He's going to be a legend.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: And, you know, all the other things people have problems
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: with in his presidency, Iran, whatever, I think this will
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: wipe those out. And this is like really important for
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: his legacy to initiate the process before the 28th election.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: And then there's like a hot handoff to the next election.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Um, administration.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: And, you know, if Trump's a political animal, he could
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: easily line up a Republican team on the 28 ticket
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: to basically, you know, be as continuity on this too.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: I think that'd be very smart. And so this is
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: going to take a long time to release. Is that
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: how you're projecting?
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: That was always the plan back in the day. Just
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: because it's like an anesthetization and climatization process. It's like,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: you know, OK, we're going to focus on this topic.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Everybody's this is going to get normalized. The temperature is
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: going to cool and then we're going to bring in
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: this shocking thing.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: So there's a there's a schedule like in terms of
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: like the psychological impact on the populace.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: In the past in terms of certain government think tanks
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: wrote classified assessments for previous presidents on this. I don't
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: know what the current plan is. I'm currently literally a
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: private citizen right now. But if they're going to do
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: what they did in the past, it is.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: And the slow rollout has its pluses and minuses. I
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: would say due to human factors, risks of adversarial countries
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: getting ahead of us, other whistleblowers, whatever, you probably have
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: to roll this out in at least 12 months and whatnot.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: But we're in a precarious time if the administration doesn't
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: start because... China and Russia could take advantage of this
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: moment now, our weakness. You know, China has their famous
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Belt and Road Initiative. China has admitted publicly that they
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: have a UAP task force. Obviously, they have more than
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: that behind the scenes. And they actually announced that when
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: the DOD UAP task force was announced, you can find
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: a news article from June 2020 in the South China
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Morning Post, where they talk about they're analyzing these encounters,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: they're using AI, etc.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: So Do you feel that China has, or do you
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: know if China has these crashed vehicles as well?
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: There's parallel programs.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: There's parallel programs. Now, one of the things that Diana
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Pasulka said and Gary Nolan refers to in the same
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: way as well, they refer to them as donations.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what's really interesting is I am aware of
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: certain historical retrievals where they were like perfectly landed and
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like a crash. And what's going on there.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sure we've done a deep assessment. I had never
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: had access to that kind of information. I'm sure that
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: we understand why that happened at some level, but that
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: is true that that's actually happened.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: So the theory is that they want us to find
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: these things so that we can examine the technology and
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: perhaps work from it, back engineer it, or like you
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: were saying before, gain inspiration to try new. Yeah.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, Part of it's like throwing the gorilla a banana,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: see if it can peel it. But also, the more
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: skeptical intel officer in me is like, well, is this
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: a Trojan horse? Do you want us to figure things
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: out and then get addicted to a certain type of technology?
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: And then that creates a control loop where they start
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: handling us. Whether we need raw resources to maintain a
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: certain technology.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: They, as in this intelligence. Yes, yeah. Whatever this is.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: This non-human intelligence.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Right. So if it is a donation, do you feel
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: like this donation is evenly distributed amongst world powers?
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: You know, I do not know the statistical distribution. That's
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: very interesting. I never understood the total number of retrievals
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: in other countries participated.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: But there's supposed to be quite a few in the
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: United States. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: That's for sure. I don't know the answer to that, actually.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I'm sure... there's a statistical analysis that will come out
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: in this process.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Do you think there's any shared information between these governments?
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Do you think they communicate?
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: There is a gentleman's agreement. The top layer of it
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I can talk about, and I've talked about it previously,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: so it's not anything super new. If you look at
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: the accident measures agreement of 1971, which is the short
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: title of this god awfully long title treaty that was
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: signed in September 1971, you'll see Article three of the
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: treaty talks about UAP. And hey, if you see any
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: unidentified objects around your nuclear or critical comms facilities, please
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: call us, bro. And that was between the USSR and America.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: And then in 2013, the classified annex of that treaty
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: got declassified. You can find it online at George Washington
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: University National Security Archives. But it gives the nuke flash,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: like the red line, like code to say it was
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: like Adam 222, Adam 333. And that's all declassified. And
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: he would send that to the Kremlin like, hey, we
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: see fucking weird shit around Polsesk. It's not us. It's
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: not a false flag and vice versa. And so there
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: was a red line comms for UAP activity between Russia
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: and the U.S. And of course, Russia and U.S. during
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: the Cold War had a mutual notification treaty for a
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: space launch vehicle and ICBM launches, etc. Weirdly enough, we've
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: never had that with China. Even to this day, we
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: don't have a mutual, this is crazy. We don't even
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: have a mutual notification. If they're going to do like
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: a submarine launched ballistic missile test off their coast, they're
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: not obligated by treaty to tell us. And sometimes they
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: don't with certain national security activities. And so Northern Command, NORAD,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Missile Warning Center, other places, NSA DEFSMAC, in Laurel, Maryland
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: have to be on their A game to like make
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: sure it was like a test because the Chinese.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Aren't obligated to tell us.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: And I, um, a crazy story in that regard, the
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Indians did something like that to us. I was on
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: duty in the NRO operations center. And by the way,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I got this clear through security. So, you know, NRO
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: don't shank me. Um, uh, uh, basically there was an
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: unexpected Indian, uh, missile tests, that hit one of their
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: satellites in 2019. It was like March of 2019. Hit
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: one of our satellites?
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, no, not our.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: One of their defunct weather satellites.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Their own satellite?
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, their own defunct weather satellite.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: On purpose or an accident?
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: On purpose.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: They shot down one of their own satellites. Yeah, and
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: they didn't tell us.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I remember in my office, I had all these different phones.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: I'm like calling the embassy, all this. I'm like, what
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: the fuck?
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: And because we were worried at the NRO about the
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: debris because we fly spy satellites. That's the mission of
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: the National Reconnaissance Office. And I was the backup director
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: of intelligence as a reservist at the operations center where
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: I was also handling the PDB for the director.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: And I led the director's briefing team.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: And I'm like going to the orbital analysts on the
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: watch floor with all the crazy screens, like calculate the
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: debris field. You know, let me know if we have
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: to maneuver something and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: running up to the director's office in my uniform, you know,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: out of breath.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: I'm like, holy shit, you know.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: And it was kind of a big deal. And that's publicly,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: you know, you can Google that now. And I remember
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: when that went down, it was pretty crazy.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: So that sounds completely insane.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: So are there other countries besides China, Russia, and us
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: that supposedly have access to these vehicles? Yeah. Which other countries?
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Can you say?
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: That I don't want to get into because that gets
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: into some sensitive stuff.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Right. Supposedly, this is like one of the best legends,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: that there's a craft that's so large they couldn't move it,
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: so they had to make a building around it, and
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: it's supposedly in Korea. Allegedly. I don't know. Oh, yeah,
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: you do know. How dare you? But you've heard that rumor,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: I'm sure, online.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: I've heard that rumor online, yeah.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: You don't know anything about that? Yeah.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: We'll let the federal government deal with that.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: Do you have any personal experience with any of this stuff?
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: You know, it's funny you ask that. As far as
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: I can remember, I have no experience with the phenomenon.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Like a lot of people in this, I guess, ufology
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: or whatever you want to call it, They have that
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: personal experience. Like, oh, yeah, when I was a kid,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: I saw an orb or whatever. And I have zero.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I've seen a couple interesting things in the sky that,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: you know, could have been satellite passes. I've been an
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: amateur astronomer. Besides having a physics degree, I've been an
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: amateur astronomer since I was like in middle school, like 12,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: 13 years old. And I still have never seen anything
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: in my personal life. in a stupendous nature. I've never
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: had any kind of spooky woo stuff happen.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Never been visited. No.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: And, and, and that's why like I was open to this,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm a child of the 80s. Well, I
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: grew up, I was born in the 80s, you know,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: most of my childhood was in the 90s and, you know,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: I watched X-Files and Star Trek Next Gen. And, and
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: of course I'm like, you know, I'm a precocious teen
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: reading like a brief history time and, you know, Isaac
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Asimov and I'm learning about the Drake equation. I'm like,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: there's probably life, but who knows? And I'm, I'm open
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: to it. And then, you know, when I got into
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: the intelligence community, that's like the first thing I looked up,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: like on the web. I'm like on the computer. I'm like,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: I go on to a certain database. I'm like typing
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: in Area 51, you know, UFO. Like everybody's done that
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: who's gone through Intel school, whether they admit it or not.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: And of course, I didn't see anything or anything. The
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: only thing I bumped into early in my career in
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: like 2009, I remember reading the OSAP, the Defense Intelligence
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Reference Documents, the DIRDs. And at the time, I had
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: no idea what they were doing. Turns out it was
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: obviously UAP related, but I was reading, why is the
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: DIA looking into magnetohydrodynamic propulsion and cloaking and all this
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: other stuff? And of course, I find out later what
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: it was, but I had absolutely no personal experience and
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: even professionally for most of my career. Now, I found
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: out behind the scenes later, like, oh, you remember that?
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: top secret program you're working on, Dave, you were actually
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: looking for UAP. You didn't know it.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what?
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: And of course, you know, I find out and I
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: learn about, you know, how they hit all this infrastructure
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: and they used a lot of conventional national security intelligence
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: collection architecture to basically facilitate this crash retrieval program, which
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: makes sense because they're not going to reinvent the wheel and,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: you know, totally have a separate infrastructure to use to
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: like figure out if stuff crashed activity, et cetera. And, um,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: you know, early, I would say about 10 years into
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: my career, I remember some imagery analysts saying, Hey Dave,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: you know, like, uh, they told us.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: To airbrush some stuff out of photos and stuff. And
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: it was round.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, dude, well, maybe that's something you're
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: not clear to or whatever. And I do remember that.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: And I I had some suspicious recruitment earlier in my
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: career too. I was on some really sensitive stuff that
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I ended up finding out it was, um, directly adjacent
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: to the program. And I went through this whole like
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: smoking man recruitment thing for a year and, you know,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: was told I was going to get these kind of
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: bizarre accesses. And I'm like, what are you talking about?
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: And ultimately I was never recruited. And I kind of
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: just like put filed that in the back of my
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: brain for years. But like I've said, uh, Before, it
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: wasn't until like spring of 2017, I was at the
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: CIA briefing, the deputy director staff on a bunch of
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: DOD classified programs. And the chief of a very sensitive
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: office at the agency pulled me aside and was like, Dave,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: what do.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: You know about UFOs?
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Like, I hear there's like a program at the Pentagon
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: and all that.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: And so. And I'm like, I don't know.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Like I'm briefed almost every DoD program at the time,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: by the way, and hundreds of, of, of programs in
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: the intelligence community, because I was in a position of
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: very high trust. And I, you know, I'm very patriotic
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: and I'm very humbled that I was in a position
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: like that in my thirties. And, and I didn't think
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: anything of it until, until this, this subject got more popularized,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: people in public, you know, Tom DeLonge, TTSA and all that. And, and,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: and then I was professionally interested, but not really working
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: on it in 2018. And then early in 19 is
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: when I got brought on as the NRO rep to
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: the then Navy task force, which became the DOD's, you know,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: UAP task force. That's kind of my origin story. And,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: and so I was always, I'm always been curious, but
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I never saw evidence and I never had any personal
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: experience with the phenomenon that kind of, kind of colors
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: my judgment.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: On this, I guess. So. So I'm sure you're aware
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: of how put off when he was tasked by the
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Bush administration along with a bunch of other thinkers to
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: try to come up with pros and cons for disclosure.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew some other people in that meeting and
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: I verified that meeting took place. And even Arrow admitted
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: in their volume one report, which was horrible, that's a
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: long story, painful, that it took place but it was
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: just a hypothetical event. scenario at a federally funded research
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: and development center in northern virginia what year was this
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: 2004 it was like november of 2004 and it's like
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: but why was it hypothetical if it's not real nobody
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: explains that and obviously the story is you know steve
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: hadley who was the national security advisor uh sponsored it
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: you know i i believe hadley denies it but you
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: know who knows if steve would uh you know tell
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: the truth on that just because of the sensitivity so.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: And so for people that don't know what happened, supposedly
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: they brought in a bunch of different thought leaders and
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: they gave them a pro and a con side. Like
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: what would be negatively affected by disclosure, what would be
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: positively affected by disclosure, and attach a numerical value to
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: each thing. Correct.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: They had like a computer system there that like tabulated
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: everything from what I know talking to other attendees or so.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Virtually every one of them had more negative than positive.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: And so the decision was made to not disclose. Well, yeah.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: And then the main decision, if I remember correctly, was
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: the federal contracts fraud. Well, that could be debated in
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, but they realized a lot of, and
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: so this is another issue of disclosure, besides the ontological
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: shock and people.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Can't handling it. Misappropriation of funds. Yeah.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: And misappropriation of funds and all that. It's oh, so
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: these set of contractors got sole source contracts and exclusive
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: access to this for internal research and development, where they
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: figure out something and then sell it back to the government,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: et cetera, for all these decades. Well, what about my
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: mid-level small business and my contractor and blah, blah, blah?
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: And so you're going to, they were afraid that you
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: would see legal challenges going to the Supreme Court in
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: violation of what they call the DFARS, right? The Defense
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Federal Acquisition Regulations. And- the government would be liable for
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: who fucking knows billions of dollars worth of monies that
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: they spent on this to these contractor partners that got
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: in back in the day. And like, well, we're not
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: exposing any more people. We're locking it down. And what
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: they call a J and a justification and approval for
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: a sole source contract. This is a race national security.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Like we can't expose any more people to this. And
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: of course, That also causes a brain drain in groupthink
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: and actually hurts the defense industrial base. But that was
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: the main reason. It wasn't, oh, you know, upcoming millennials
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: that are turning 18 can't handle it. It was like, yeah,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: we're kind of culpable in kind of a fucked up
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: contractual relationship. And that's going to be something that the
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Trump administration is going to have to deal with. It's like, well,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: how do I reorient– the defense and industrial base. I mean,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: this could trigger a golden era of innovation in America.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: More people get to play. You overtly can take the
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: basic information that's not sensitive and put it into academia, right?
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: So you have undergraduate, graduate, postdoctoral programs, and you actually
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: create this like more educated workforce to actually benefit national security. But,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: and China doesn't have this issue. They're pulling people from,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: pick a university in China, Nanjing, whatever university, And they're
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: sucking them into these programs. But in America, we don't
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: have that kind of permissive totalitarian environment.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: So we're lagging behind. Well, in China, they probably don't
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: have the issue with misappropriation of funds and lying to Congress.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: No, CCP, baby.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Do whatever you want. They do whatever they want. So
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: they don't have to worry about liability. So this is
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: one of the things that came up in that film
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: Age of Disclosure. That's right. You're going to have to
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: make some sort of amnesty program.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: And I'm.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: I am for that as long as it's, like, use
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: immunity for specific testimony.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Or– As long as it doesn't cover, like, this other
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: shit that you're talking about.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Like, my– and, of course, I know who's watching, people
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: clearly that are from this ecosystem. You know, I would– that.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Everybody's been basically good Americans. There's a small cast of
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: characters that have done unspeakable things. I mean, hell, they
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: wanted to fucking kill me. It's disturbing. And you wonder
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: why I had to become a whistleblower. I didn't want
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: to do this shit, but I was pushed over the
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: edge to do that. I digress, but like, Besides like
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: blue collar, really fucked up criminal shits, which, you know,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: once again, there is a judicial justice process in America.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: You know, we're not going to do street justice here.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: We will, you know, take care of that professionally. Like
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: I took care of the other criminal stuff I found
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: out professionally. I'm like, look, I'm, you know, and when
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: I was doing that, I mean, I was meeting people,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: body armor armed with colleagues of mine that were, you know,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: rolling heavy too. And like, it was a very serious thing.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: part of my investigation. But yeah, I believe in amnesty,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: but I think we need to do it like Truth
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: and Reconciliation Commission, which was in post-apartheid South Africa in
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: the 90s, where you had, you know, some white farmer
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: comes in and it's like, yeah, I murdered a bunch
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: of black people or whatever. And it's like, okay, thank
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: you for telling us that. You're good.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: You know, don't do it again and move on.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm distilling it down, but that's essentially what
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: the TRC in South Africa was. And I think something
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: like that would be very additive and good because I mean,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: I have friends that run the program.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: They're great guys.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: They're bros, you know, and gals. And they, you know,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: were signed paperwork. You know, it was like if you,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: you know, divulge this, it's under penalty of treason. You
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: get 11 worth or, you know, capital punishment.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Okay. Let's break down what you know and what you
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: can say. Yeah. What are these things and what are
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: they capable of?
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: So– There's like physical and non-physical, call it UAP and
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: intelligence we're likely dealing with. So for example, the orbs,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: could that be sentient plasmoid?
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: Possibly. Sentient plasmoid. So plasma that has consciousness.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: In some way, and that could be like you're seeing
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: the other side of some sort of wormhole and it's
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: some other intelligence shooting this, like I'll call it like
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: plasmoidic probe into something. you know, our existence. I mean,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: this is, of course, a theoretical framework. And once again,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I don't have a PhD in astrophysics.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: But it's theoretical that there is a life form that
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: is a plasma-based life form.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: And there's already papers on the open internet about this.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, what's the title of the paper?
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: They wrote about this possibility. So this is a academic
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: assessment of a possibility of the orbs. Now, could the
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: orbs actually be physical craft, but they have a sheath
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: of plasma? Around it, interestingly enough, OSAP did a defense
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: intelligence reference document on magnetohydrodynamic propulsion, which if you remember
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: the movie The Hunt for Red October, that's the Caterpillar
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Drive on the Russian submarine back in the day. And
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: of course, with MHD, you can also do it. You
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: have to use a conductive fluid, either seawater that has
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: salt in it, or you could do it in the air,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: but you have to create a plasma. And you steer
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: the plasma. It's called the Lorentz force. It's basically of
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: a perpendicular magnetic field, a large amount of electricity. And
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: you can basically, through the Lorentz force, which is like
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: ionic propulsion sort of, control it in the atmosphere as well.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: And you can read papers on that and IEEE and
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: other stuff like that. And so one of the byproducts
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: of an air-breathing MHD system is plasma.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: Around it.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: So depending on the size of the orb, it is
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: conceivable that there's a physical craft behind it as well,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: just as an artifact of the propulsion system. Once again,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: that's a theory. I'm sure the program knows and that
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: will be communicated at a later date.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: But like, you know, that's yeah. So this theory about
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: sentient plasma. Yeah. Is it the idea that we have
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: a very narrow minded view of what life can be?
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: And that life as it evolved in other places, in
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: other parts of the universe.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Went non-corporeal at some point. Like the meat suit sucks.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: We're going to be an energetic.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: This is an ultimate expression of both technology and at
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: least enhanced evolution that eventually consciousness is isolated or consciousness
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: may be ubiquitous and exists in everything anyway. And that, yeah.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly. And I'm not the expert. And I would
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: say the consciousness theory, I like the Penrose-Hammerov-Ork-OR theory, which
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: is the microtubules, the room temperature. So microtubules are in
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: neurons of the brain and you have this like room
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: temperature quantum system that can collapse the wave function without
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: an observer. And that's what Roger Penrose and Stuart Hammerov,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: and I've talked to Hammerov, crazy smart guy. He's an
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: anesthesiologist by training. And Penrose obviously is a very famous
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: mathematician and a physics legend. And, uh, that's how they
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: view consciousness. I'm not saying that's the exact model. I
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: happen to prefer it because it's very trippy and very
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: interesting and does explain spooky action and like, um, telepathy because, oh, well,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: if it's just a quantum system, then I'm like quantumly entangled.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, that makes sense now.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Like why remote viewing and other stuff works.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: Right. Yeah. Okay. So you have some sort of plasma
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: based intelligence.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: And then what else?
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: So obviously there has been the physical craft of all
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: different flavors, like I've talked about it. You know, the
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Tic Tacs are real.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: There's eggs.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: There's different types of discs. There's boot heel, sunfish-looking things, boomerangs,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: crescent moon-looking craft as well. And obviously all those have
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: different origins in terms of pilots and whatnot. There's a
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: little bit of overlap.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: It's almost like....
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Certain people like the Porsche 911 or a Ford Mustang,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: they kind of build the same shape. And that's probably
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: indicative of the technology or the propulsion system. I'm not
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: an expert in exactly why that is. And yeah, we've recovered,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: you know, several different types. And it's once again, it's
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: a taxonomy where it's almost like, like not all white
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: people look the same, right? Same idea where you might
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: have like a species per se, but then there's sort
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: of like.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: Right. Now, is there a theory or is there information
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: based on where these things are from and that they're
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: different ones are from different places?
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: There is, but I never got access to that. And
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: even if the information was once again, how would you like?
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: confirm that as a skeptical former human intelligence officer, you
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: have some sort of NHI communicating to you, oh, I'm
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: from star system X, Y, and Z.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: Right. Cool.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Is that denial and deception, you know, activities? Are you misdirecting?
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: You're from somewhere else. So even if they said, they
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: told us, how would you verify that? I mean, there's
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: certainly obviously ways. And, but some of it seems, once again,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: extraterrestrial is part of the pie here, right? There's a,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: you know, there's ultra terrestrial and other things. And I,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: it does seem like a lot of it's been here
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: for a while and also seems so similar to us
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: that I have questions. And once again, this isn't rhetorical.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know the answer. It's like, well, is this bioengineered?
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Is this a break from our tree?
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: Is this.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Some sort of other technology, like chameleon type technology, if
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: you will? I don't know the answer to that.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: So I think that's... What are the prevailing theories amongst
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: the people that are working on this? Do they have
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: answers or do they just have theories? I am not
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: certain of that because I do not have that level
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: of knowledge. And as the government rolls that out, I'm
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: happy to parse that with the American people in public
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: and kind of explain my opinion on things as gaps
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: in information for myself is filled in because... I'm not omnipotent.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: I didn't have full access. And I only know what
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: I know. And that's why I've treated this with such
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: reverence because even me going public, I'm like, fuck, I
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: don't know what this is going to trigger. Besides my
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: own personal safety, which clearly I was under duress and
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: I had to even resign my Air Force commission, didn't
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: even fully retire. And I'm trying to get that fixed.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: I filed something with the Air Force board a year
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: ago so I can actually retire and have my benefits
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: because I miss my promotional lieutenant colonel and other stuff.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: But Um, I digress, but certainly there is such similarity
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: that there was a concern and, uh, from a genomic
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: perspective and there was work on that to compare genomes. Unfortunately,
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know the answer to that and what they
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: found out. Work to compare genomes from biological samples. Uh, yeah.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: Dead cadavers.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: So that's real.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, a hundred percent.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: So there are dead. Oh yeah, I know that for sure.
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: How do you know that for sure?
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: I got to see the audiovisual on that stuff.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: You got to see what? Yeah.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: So I got to be a little vague only because
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: I want to protect the sources because it may indicate
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: a specific activity or operation. And these people were very
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: patriotic and they were just dead cadavers on the ground
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: because it was a retrieval activity.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: You saw them physically or you saw video of them? Video. Video.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: So you saw... a dead cadaver that was at a crash? Yes.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: So they filmed the crash and they filmed these cadavers. Yeah.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: How old is this footage? I don't want to say. Okay.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: It's contemporary.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: It's contemporary.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't want to reveal a particular operation
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: because it narrows it down.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: Right, but it's clear. It's not like you're looking at
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: 1950s black and white. Yeah. It's clear.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: And do know, you know, when I get that kind
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: of information, you know, I'm like, tell me what it is,
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: what happened, and then I put it out for collection,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: so to speak, and then I confirm it independently. Because
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: I was very allergic to any.
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: Kind of deception, right?
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Because in the advent of AI, SOAR AI, you can
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: create a very realistic. And so I was very anal
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: retentive when I was given documents, audiovisual, et cetera. And
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: I sat on that stuff for like years until I
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: felt comfortable With that not being some sort of limited
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: hangout or deception activity. So, yeah.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: What did it look like? Human. Looking. How human? Very. Like,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: looked like a human or looked similar to a human? Very,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: very beautiful. Beautiful.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: And I said this.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: What color was the skin? Bluish white. Like Avatar?
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: It wasn't super close. No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: Like someone who drowned?
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Like a pale sort of albino. And, and it's interesting.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: And I said this in another interview, that's not out yet, but, and,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: and God willing, this is my last interview for a while,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: hopefully in predisclosure environment, you know, and, uh, uh, general McCaslin,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: when he was talking to DeLong and this is public record,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: Tom's talked about it on, I think your show and
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: other interviews where he always told Tom, think of the
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Greek gods and, and, Oh, true. You look it up.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: And now I kind of understand what he meant. But
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: General McCaslin, who disappeared within a week of Trump giving
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: the declassification order on UAP in February 2026. There's a
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: lot of reasons why McCaslin's disappearance was very concerning. He
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: walked out of his residence in Albuquerque and vanished.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's right. That guy. Yeah. And nobody knows.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: And I, you know, I have a relationship, obviously, with
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: Justice and Nobody knows what fucking happened to the guy.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: And he like, he left shit home so he couldn't
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: be tracked. I think his phone was left, but you know,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: one of his firearms was missing.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: It's like very weird.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: So.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: Right. He left without his phone. Yeah. Yeah. That was
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: one of the weird parts about it. Yeah.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: And, and once again, he was going on a trip
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: with like 18 of his friends. He went to REI
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: the day before to get like a medical kit and
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: other supplies. And I mean, obviously his wife's, Discussion about him,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: the body cam footage is public. And, you know, he
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: had some mental health issues, nothing major, and some aging
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: type issues. But she didn't think, you know, he was
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: going to, like, kill himself or whatever. So, I mean,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: you never know. And I've had friends, unfortunately, pass away
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: through suicide in the military. But it's very bizarre. And
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: it's within a week of Trump coming out. And just
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: say I know a lot about General McCaslin.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: Well, there's quite a few scientists that were connected to
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: UAP disclosure or UAP potential back engineering projects or mysterious projects.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Possibly. I think.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: Do you think there was more like.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: To be fair, it was a little overblown. And I
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: don't think there was a ton of correlation. Like one
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: was like a female that worked at Air Force Research
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Lab when McCaslin was a commander. I think that was
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: one of them. Well, I mean, there's a lot of
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: people that work at Air Force Research Lab. That doesn't
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: mean it's necessarily related to the topic. I.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: But didn't that one particular lady, if it's the same person,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: didn't she have some sort of research that was on
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: material science?
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: That sounds correct. I'm not totally conversant on all the
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: people that disappeared. The only one besides McCaslin that was
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: very concerning to me was my Air Force friend that
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: died mysteriously about two years ago. And... it's an open investigation,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: so I won't get into all the gory detail in
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: my assessments.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: Um, it, I mean, it's, it's binary.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: It's either a very tragic thing, either self-harm or otherwise,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: or it.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: Was something else.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: And my friend, uh, his name's Matthew Sullivan, callsign Quake
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: in the Air Force. Him and I were on active
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: duty together. Uh, he was on the program and he was, uh,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: one of my sources. And I, and I, once again,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: I don't name people, but like, he unfortunately has passed.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: So I, want to make that clear.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: This video, do you think this will be a part
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: of disclosure? That we'll get to see this video of
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: these dead bodies? Probably. Probably.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of audio-visual stuff. The problem with the
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: current climate, you're going to have to wheel out the
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: physical evidence, too, because people are... The trust in government
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: is so low right now. You could show a video,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: but people are going to be like, oh, well, that's
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: just the U.S. government fucking with us. You're going to
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: have to curate a wheel out, literally like, you know,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: put it in the Uvar hazy center of the Masonian
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: and then give the biological samples to.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: Eric Weinstein, who I.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Know he wants it.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: Why would you give it to him?
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: Well, he says he has people to test it. I
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: have people to test it too.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: Give it to me.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that to.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: Make fun of him. There should be a way that
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: human beings, other than the government, can look at this stuff.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Well, there needs to be an independent verification process.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: Right. Now, is this stuff– so this is contemporary, this
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: dead body thing. And so this is a fairly recent crash.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: And did these things have all the characteristics of a
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: human being? Did they have ears and a nose?
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as far as I could recall. And it wasn't
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: like ultra close up.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Dead hair. What color was the hair?
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: It was like grayish and all that. The problem is,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: I don't want to give the nature of the video.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: It wasn't. super close up. It was like, of course
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: not during the operation. So it's not like.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: During the operation of retrieval. Okay. And then they, they
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: had these things. So what is your understanding of what
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: happens to these bodies?
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, they're kept for analysis.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: And how do they keep them? They freeze them. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know the exact process. I'm not a biologist,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: but they do put it in some sort of preservation status.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: So, huh.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: So was that the most compelling thing you saw?
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, because, you know, it couples with, you know, both
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: the craft and the alleged, you know, occupants. And there
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: was some other stuff in that in that area that
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: I got to be careful talking about because it's so
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: specific that it'll easily ID the, you know, the patriot
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: that helped me on that. And once again, I want
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: the public to see all this stuff. And you don't
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: don't take my word for it. Plead with the president
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: to make sure this comes out. He's really courageous to
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: do so, and I just hope this all comes out.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: When you say contemporary, you mean last 20 years, more recent?
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: I don't even want to characterize it, but it's contemporary.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: And then when you say Greek gods, like did these
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: creatures actually look like something special? Like not just like
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: a regular person. You said beautiful.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just very oddly. And it's been a while, but
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to visualize in my mind. It was
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: just very, very beautiful.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: Were they wearing an outfit?
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: It looked like it, like some kind of form-fitting thing,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: but I didn't get a good look at it.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: Like spandex? I don't know.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: I didn't get a good look at it, honestly.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: You didn't?
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: No. I mean, it was like a pan.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: Okay. So they didn't even focus on the bodies? They
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: just like, oh, there's a body.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: No, because people had a job to do.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: Right. Did you worry that that's a psyop, that you're
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: being shown something that's horseshit?
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: Well, like I said, I was very careful with that
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: and confirmed it through other sources and methods to make sure.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: It wasn't some sort of hangout from some government element
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: trying to sway me.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: One way or the other. So you independently verified that
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: there was an event? Yeah, I did. Okay. And then
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: there's footage of this event. And in this footage of
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: this event, how many bodies were there?
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: I think three or four is what I saw. I
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: don't know what the total was.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: Did they have gender?
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: Looked amorphous to me, but once again, it was a pan.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: Really? Okay. Long hair, short hair?
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: Long.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: All of them? Yeah.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: That I can recall.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. The Greek gods thing is very weird. It's weird
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: and– It's a weird comparison. Like you stop and think
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: about that. Yeah. Well, why were the Greek gods so
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: beautiful and living in the sky?
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: It's funny you say that because like I think about
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: like breakaway human. I mean once again, I'm just.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: Or maybe even an original civilization that existed before. Yeah.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: There's more people are leaning in that direction when they
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: start looking at some of the stuff that's underneath the pyramids.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: Some of the weird structures that they're finding all over
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: the earth. Like how, how are these things? We had
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: a whole podcast yesterday about it. It's like, how are
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: these things made? Who made these things? Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I followed Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: just casually. And, and I do have, um, not fears, but, uh,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: you know, I have questions about some sort of breakaway
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: human civilization and that explains some of this or it's bioengineered.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Cause like for them to develop naturally, uh, say off planet,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: say it was extraterrestrial, that it looks almost dead ringer
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: like us. Like that doesn't make any sense to me.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: Well, does it make sense if we're engineered? Then it
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: makes sense. That is certainly a possibility. I have questions
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: about that too. This is what Bob Lazar believes. I
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: had a long conversation with him about that. He thinks
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: that human beings are a product of genetic, some sort
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: of manipulability.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: And I think hypothetically, if that ended up being verified
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: in some way, shape or form, you know, how, how
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: does that change humanity?
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: What does it mean to be human?
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot of deep human sovereignty
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: and other questions that Well, it.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: Gets weird because we're willing to believe that an omnipotent
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: God created us out of nothing. That's cool. But the
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: idea that we were visited by what's essentially almost God-like
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: in their powers and abilities, some creature from somewhere else
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: or some being, some super hyper-intelligent being from somewhere else.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: And they manipulated us. That bothers us. I know. And
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: it's weird.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: My biggest regret was not getting access to like the
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: biological assessment reports and stuff like that. I was getting
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: enough spears thrown my way and I was, you know,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: in literal danger. So I unfortunately wasn't able to kind of,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: you know, get access.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: To that stuff. Have you talked to anybody who did
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: get access to it?
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Not on that side of the program in terms of
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: like the scientists analyzing the bodies. No, I just I
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: know people. that are good friends of mine that were
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: on retrievals and saw them as well in person. And
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: once again, I'm like comparing like, did you look like this?
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Did this happen? Was it this type of craft?
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: Do they vary in terms of what they saw? Yes.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: And some of my colleagues saw them alive as well.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah. What did they see alive? Like the Greek God
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: looking ones? No.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: It's the pop culture. I can't wait to talk about this.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: Like greys?
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Reptilian looking.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: Reptilian.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: The greys, yes, as well.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: Those are real.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: Once again, the aerial school phenomenon in 1994, very well documented,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: mass sighting.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: Is that Zimbabwe?
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, near a uranium mine.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: Ooh.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: And they saw small gray beings coming out of a
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: lenticular disc craft. Once again, this is why it's almost
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: like not that shocking. It's like, yeah, they look like that.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: No shit.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: Well, that story has been going on for a long
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: time and that iconic. The problem with like iconic imagery
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: is that now you have it in your head what
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: to expect. And like that was like from the movie Contact.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: Remember the movie Contact? Like it showed itself.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: Great movie.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: Great movie.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: I know my boy Amar, I got him hooked on
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: that movie. He watches it like every quarter.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: It's a phenomenal movie. But there's a scene in the
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: movie where the alien shows itself as Jodie Foster's dad.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: I know. because it's something that she can handle.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: And that's what, it's funny you say that, that's what,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: if they're bioengineered, then that makes sense because of that.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: Ease of contact, ease of communication, also less ontologically shocking,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: it's familiar.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: And I think as this rolls out, I think the
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: American people need to think about like, okay, well, if
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: I'm presented with this reality, how would I react? I
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: just think of them personally as like, it's like my
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: West Virginian cousins. It's like a different part of the family.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: You know, but I'm cool with them. That's fucking crazy.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: I'll chill with them, you know, whatever. Hey, I'm a nerd. Like,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: do you know how bad I want to just, like,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: hang out with them?
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Me too. Of course.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Not that I have, like... personal bias for president Trump
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: to do this, but like, just like any American, I like,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: I want to know more.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: I want to meet them. I want to communicate.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: Well, I think it's just, it's wrong for some people
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: to have access to this information because I think this
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: is different than any other kind of secret information. I know.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: I think it's weight and its significance and impact on
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: the human race in general. I, I mean I demand–
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: we should know. You shouldn't– there shouldn't be a group
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: of unelected bureaucrats and defense contractors that have access to
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: this stuff and the general public doesn't. So they have
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: a completely different map of the world than we do.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: I know and I just think about the– unfortunate lies
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: and how society has progressed over the last several decades
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: and where we could have been if this was handled
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: back in the 50s, 60s and 70s.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: And once again, it shouldn't even be me doing this.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: Like I saw a little bit of crazy shit. I
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: learned some stuff. I met with some of the most
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: senior people in government to confirm all this, you know,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: at the highest, highest, highest level.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: And it's me.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Like I'm just a dude. Like I was a, you know,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: major in the Air Force and, you know, mid-level senior
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: civilian in the IC. But unfortunately, I got stuck with
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: this and it wouldn't have happened unless the small crew,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: you know, honestly pushed me over the edge. And, you know,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: I was in unbelievable duress and I ended up having
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: to go public.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: So tell me more about these reptilians that your friend encountered.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: They were alive. Yeah. So they were alive post-crash? Yes.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: Why do these things keep fucking crashing? So some of
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: it is....
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: NHI versus NHI.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: What?
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: They war in the sky. Isn't that in the... You
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: think it's like, would they get along?
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: They're so advanced.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: But we have records of them fucking around with each other.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: Is that in the Mahabharata or the Bhagavad Gita? I
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: don't know. There's like talk about sky wars in ancient
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: Hindu texts. Oh, yeah.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: In the Vedic texts, the blue people. And I know
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: that's why you asked blue. I don't recall them being
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: that blue, but I got a short little look.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: Maybe when they're alive, they're darker.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Well, that is true. There's like a post-mortem change.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: In their affect. Sure, like people. That's what happens with people.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: That is true because as they were struggling and then died,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: obviously their affect changed.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: Now, this friend that encountered, first of all, we'll go
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: to the Greek god people first. What did their craft
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: look like?
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: Boomerang, Crescent Moon, usually. Not all the time. It's kind
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: of like once I go back, some people like to
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: drive the Porsche 911. That tends to be not all
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: the time, but that's what they like to roll up in.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: They talk about them as the tall whites. Yeah. Were
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: they tall? Were they large?
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: Looked tall to me.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: But hard to tell because.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: You don't- I didn't have a ground reference, really. I
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: would say at least- human size.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: They could be like very similar to humans.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: It could be my big ass is six, six, but
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: like the.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: They looked big, um, similar to humans.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: I think so. And there might be taller. Once again,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's other stuff I don't know about. I'm
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: sure there's other variants of them too, that look more
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: towards like the classic, um, uh, what is it in
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: ufology like Nordic or, you know, tall whites, um, and
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: that are probably even taller. If some of those, uh,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: experience your stories are true, which once again, as long
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: as that source is credible, that might be a thing.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: So I think we need to be prepared to kind
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: of that being a thing.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: That makes sense. Yeah. Now the reptilian craft, what did
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: that thing look like?
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: Uh, that one is Tic Tac looking.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah. I was hoping they were the cool ones.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: The reptilian ones are the ones that everyone's terrified.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: And once again, like, We're doing like, and of course,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: it's not always the Tic Tac, once again, kind of
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: like what I said, but.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: Like that tends to be them.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: From what I understand, obviously, hopefully I'm not wrong, but I'm,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: you know, pretty good sourcing on that. When you see
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: like malevolent behavior, right? It's like, well, that's a humanistic lens.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: You're seeing like a animal lash out in captivity kind
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: of thing, or they're in duress. They're having an emotional experience,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: et cetera. And it's like, you know, are they actually
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: scary or is it just because of the situations we've
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: been in with them?
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: And so we're kind of biased and all that. Right,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: of course. And so these reptilians, what did they look like?
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: Now, I've never seen them personally.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: Right, but what did your friend describe them as?
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: It's like very, almost like seven foot tall plus, sort
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: of gorilla looking.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: Gorilla looking. Scaly skin though. Reptile gorillas?
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: But there's multiple types. There's ones that are more.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: Humanoid looking. So there's multiple types of reptilians. Yeah.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: And I'm not an expert on that one. That's once again,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: I never saw it in person. They get the exact,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: you know, see if.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: There's a artist rendition. Of course you are.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and once again, it sounds so schizo.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: It does, a gorilla with scales.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: As an ex-Deep State intel officer, I'm like, I cannot
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: fucking believe I'm talking about this shit on Joe Rogan.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: Seven foot tall, scaly gorilla. I know.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds schizo. And it's like coming from
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: somebody like me, you know, who, you know, is a
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: credible person and has been in government. It's like, I'm
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: going to be that guy. I'm going to be that guy.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: And then like down the road, people will review Joe Rogan.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: And he's like, that motherfucker, we thought he was crazy, but.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: What do you know? You know, it's true. Well, of course,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: if there are things from somewhere else, you're going to
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: sound crazy describing any of them.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Because it's so outside my experience because I never had
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: some kind of woo thing growing up or some sort
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: of interaction with the phenomenon. So it feels so outside
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: my personal comfort level and experience because I'm relying on
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: the personal experience of others, you know, audiovisual stuff. And
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: it still feels like I'm watching a movie.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: Like it's like, is that? Is it real?
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know it is, but I have a
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: cognitive dissonance a little bit.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: And how are you able to watch this video? Do
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: they have to put you into a secret room? Yeah.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: I won't get into the exact way it went down,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: but we'll just say it was kind of sketchy but.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: To keep everybody safe. And so there apparently is NHI
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: versus NHI warfare.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: We've documented that.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: Documented it.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: In collection, what we perceive as warfare.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: Conflict.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like conflict. It smells like conflict. Is
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: it some other kind of weird shit?
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know. And there's maybe an assessment on that,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: but it... And when this reptilian craft crashed, the assumption
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: was that it was some sort of conflict? Because I
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: would imagine that they're the ones you'd have to worry about.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: Because there was dead.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: Greys there, too. Oh. So the greys and the reptilians
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: were duking it out? Yeah. I guess. I guess. You know.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: You know, I know the people who were there.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: This sounds fucking insane, David. It sounds fucking crazy.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: And once again, I don't want to get in too
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: many specifics because this is a very unique, there's a
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: couple unique retrievals out there that protect the innocent and
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: people that have risked their fucking lives. Because a lot
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: of the people that came to you with that kind
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: of information, I mean, they were physically threatened like me
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: and all that. And so, like, me going public was
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: taking it for the team because I was able to
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: create this umbrella of, Of tacit protection in case somebody
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: got fucked with. Now, unfortunately, my friend Matt, who knows
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: what happened to him, but tragically he died mysteriously.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: Now, these reptilians, what was their craft like? Oh, like
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: I said, the Tic Tac stuff. And was their craft
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: crashed into the ground, like broken up? Yeah. Okay.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: It was like wedged into a hill.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: Like had it been hit with something?
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly what. what happened in that regard.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: But it did crash.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: So I don't want to misspeak on what exactly happened.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: And how many times has this happened, if you had
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: to guess?
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know the total number of, like, adversarial conflict crashes. But,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, it seems to be at least a dozen
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: or two.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know. So at least a dozen or two
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: adversarial crashes. And then there's the high-altitude nuclear tests. right?
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: You're aware of those, right? Okay. So there's been a
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: lot of speculation that during those high altitude nuclear tests
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: that crafts that didn't know it was coming got rocked.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: Do you know anything about that?
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: That's an area that I'll let the government handle. That's
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: because it gets into vulnerabilities and what the U.S.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: Has figured out.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: So that just gets a sensitive area, but that's something
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that'll come out in this process.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: Because So you can't talk about that? Is that what
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: you're saying?
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just because it gets into U.S. capabilities and what
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: we figured out in terms of– Well, this is all
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: like from the 50s, right? Yeah, but we still got
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: nukes and we still got those kind of weapons snatched away.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: You're aware of those– it was– what was it, Jamie?
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: Was it a telescope that they were taking photographs of
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: the stars and they were doing it with– do you
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: know what I'm talking about? All the– dots popped up
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: thing that, I guess it was like two or three
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: weeks ago. Right. We talked about that a couple of
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: weeks ago. It was an observatory and the observatory has
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: these old plates of images that they took of the sky.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, is this Beatrice's work?
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: Yes. The Vasco? Yes. Yeah. I read it.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: Very interesting. And it's hard to make an exact conclusion
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: if it's UAP, but it's Really great original scholarship, and
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: I applaud her for doing that.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: But there appeared to be moving reflective things that were
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: outside of our atmosphere that they were taking images of.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: They were not static. They were not stars. Pre-Sputnik, too.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: That was the important thing. Yes, pre-Sputnik. Very important because
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: there was no satellites at the time. This was images
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: that they took of the sky that showed things that
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: were reflective, that seemed to be metallic. Allegedly.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: And if I remember her paper correctly with her co-authors,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: it also– there were cluster concentrations over sensitive nuclear facilities
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: and nuclear testing. Chronological temporal correlation as well.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: So data shows unidentified lights in archival astronomy images were
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: 68 percent more likely to be imaged 24 hours after
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: a nuclear weapons test. Yeah, like I was saying. Right.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: So this is chronologically– Like, we have these nuclear weapons tests,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: including these high-altitude detonations like Operation Starfish Prime. Yeah. We
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: detonate these things, and then all of a sudden these
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: crafts start showing up. Like, hey, what are these fucking
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: crazy monkeys up to?
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: It does seem like there was a heightened amount of
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: activity once we started testing nuclear weapons.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: Obviously, this phenomenon's old. It's interacted with man in antiquity.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: You know, Jacques Vallée' s scholarship on that, passport to Mangonia.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's why the names of our rooms at the
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: comedy club are Fat Man and Little Boy. Oh, nice. Yeah,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: because that's what ushered, because it's the comedy mothership. It's
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: a UFOs-based thing.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you go to the Air Force Museum, they
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: have the Enola Gay there, I think.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: Is that right? It's one of the planes. Oh, wow.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: My alma mater is going to crucify me for getting
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: that Air Force history wrong at the Air Force Museum
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: in Dayton, Ohio.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. They have a mock-up of the Little
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: Boy and Fat Man bombs, so you can see how
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: big they were. You're like, holy shit, that was big.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: One of the things that Lazar said is that one
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: of the objects they were working with was very old.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: And he said that they had somehow, that it was
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: told to him that it was retrieved from an archaeological dig.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know about his specific story and his exposure,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: but the archaeological thing, that.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: Is a thing. Are you aware of the labyrinth at
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: Hawara in Egypt? No.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: What is that?
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: Is that the one where there's a metallic object?
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: But what's-his-face won't let people go in it from the objection?
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: Well, it's complicated. It's a little more complicated than won't
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: let them. But there's definitely resistance to it. So these labyrinths,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: this incredible compound that's underground was documented by Herodotus. And
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: he said it was greater than Giza. He said it
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: was much more spectacular construction. Wow. So now they know
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: from ground penetrating radar that these cavities in the ground,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: these symmetrical rooms exist. They know where they are and
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: they know why they're flooded. So they're flooded because during
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: the 1960s, they built a dam to divert water for agriculture.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: And when they did, they changed the water table and
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: it flooded this labyrinth area. And when they use this
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: ground penetrating radar and I think it's radio tomography and
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: a bunch of the different ways of, One of the
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: things they found was a 40 meter long metallic object
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: that's in some sort of, is it in an atrium?
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: Like it's in some sort of a large room?
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: I've seen a video about this. You're recalling some stuff
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: I've seen just casually online.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: Like just imagine if that's what that is. It's like
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: the movie Stargate with Kurt Russell. If these people had
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: been worshiping this craft. And so much so that they
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: built this incredible temple and put it in the center
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: of their temple. It's a 40 meter long metallic object.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: And the metal apparently is of unknown origin. Like they
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: don't know what the metal is. It's not registering as copper.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: It's not registering as steel or iron rather. They don't
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: know what it is. Interesting. Interesting. It's fucking weird.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I won't be surprised if some ancient
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: civilizations were essentially cargo cults, you know, for these visitors.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: That is most likely true in many cases, not all.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: And of course, that gets into theological areas that are touchy.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: But I do think that that's probably the case. The
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: central object is hard to classify. It appears metallic, not
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: stone or wood.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: I named it Dippy after the giant Diplodocus skeleton in
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: the Hintze Hall of London's Natural History Museum. It could
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: be anything. Its shape resembles those tic-tac hard mints. It
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: might also be an upright disc or even a colossal
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: shen ring, the ancient Egyptian symbol representing the eternal cycle
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: of creation. The big object alone raises profound questions. How
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: did it get there? Why is it there? So show
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: him some of the artistic recreations of what it looked
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: like underneath the ground. So this is all, you know,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: like I said, Herodotus wrote about this thousands of years ago.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: But now it's documented that these chambers and these pathways
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: actually exist. And there had been people that had studied
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: at least the upper surface levels of it as recently
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: as like the 1800s. Interesting. Yeah. But that, you know,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: through all like a lot of Egypt, there's a water
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: under Giza. There's water under the pyramids. There's water under,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: you know, a lot of that stuff is flooded. And
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: so this is what it looked like. This is all underground.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: It's fucking crazy because if this along with Filippo Biondi's
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: work where it shows using that same satellite radio tomography
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: that there's some sort of structure underneath the pyramids that
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: goes over a kilometer into the ground.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: Is there easy access or is it just like a
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: government denial, the Antiquities Bureau, whatever they call it?
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: Well, I think there's been some progress in terms of
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: allowing exploration. And I don't know the extent of it,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: but I know that a lot of people are very
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: hopeful that that progress is. is going to be achieved.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: Like they're opening up this research. And look, this would
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: be a giant boom to the tourism industry. Oh, yeah.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's what they want. I mean, Egypt probably survives.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know what percentage of their economy in Giza
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: is tourism, but it has to be massive.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: And you always hear interesting stories.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: I have an eclectic a group of colleagues and you
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: hear interesting stories at the queen's chamber, the granite pillbox
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: and people have had interesting experiences in there too.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: And, and, uh, well, the king's chamber, that sarcophagus. Yeah.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: It's that like perfectly cut granite box that also, I
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: think it mirrors the exact dimensions of the arc of
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: the covenant. Interesting. Interesting.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: That's, that's crazy. But I know people who've laid in
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: it because they have to kind of pay the guard.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: It's like off hours. And what happens?
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: And they just have like a weird transcendental experience. I mean,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: it's kind of woo. Once again, I've never experienced something
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: Let me lie down there, bro.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: That's a thing. That's a thing. I'll let you know
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: who to talk to offline.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: How much do you think it costs to lay in
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: this box? A couple hundred bucks?
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: Egypt, 20 grand maybe.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: 20 grand. Whoa. Yeah, 20 grand. You could like sleep there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: it's very strange because the structures themselves are incredibly strange.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: The structures themselves are so immense and so complex and
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: the methods of construction are completely unknown. And just the
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: symmetry and the precision of the engineering is beyond comprehension
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: for people that lived at the very– the most recent
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: it could be is 4,500 years ago. And a lot
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: of these people think it's far older than that.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: And we're finding that. I've been watching some of Graham
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: Hancock's stuff. You just look at these like megalithic architecture
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: that's older than you think, the stuff in Turkey and
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: in the United States as well, in Ohio and Mississippi.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: And it's like, and they're finding all these pyramid structures
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: using synthetic aperture radar. So I am casually following it.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: And it does seem like we don't really even know
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: our own history. And I think with all this coming out,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: there's going to be a huge rewriting of a lot
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: of our ancient and modern history.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: Well, that's where it gets really weird. You know, Rep
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: Paulina Luna was on the podcast.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: She was talking to me about the Book of Enoch.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: And I hadn't read it. She's like, you have to
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: read it. And I've read it twice now. And I'm like,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: what in the fuck are they talking about? Like, the
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: Book of Enoch, which was also found with the Dead
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: Sea Scrolls and Qumran. And it refers to the Watchers
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: who came down and mated with daughters and created this
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: race of giants. And it's like, What? Yeah.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: And you think is like now when you're when all
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: this comes out, was that actually literal?
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: And, you know, right.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: And of course, the Bible Council Nicaea was more of
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: a political document before secular government. And, you know, they
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: got together like, what are all the different books that.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: We can agree upon that are good?
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: What gets into the canon? And that's the thing about
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: the Book of Enoch is that it was it was
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: not put in there because it didn't jive with the Torah.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: Yes. Which is like, OK, you fuckers. Imagine if that
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: was in the Bible. Like, if you go to church
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: and you read about the Watchers.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: Well, there's actually a lot of interesting stuff in the Bible. Like, obviously,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: that's another thing, like, of course, with, you know, I'm Catholic.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: By growing up, CCD confirmation did the whole thing as
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: a kid. And you see a lot of outspoken exorcists
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: and other people right now saying, well, all this alien
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: stuff is just diabolic deception and demons and, you know,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: And I respect that opinion. And I do think like
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: what you perceive as a demon is a certain class
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: of non-human or anomalous intelligence. And that is certainly a thing,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: but the whole ecosystem is not demonic. But the Bible
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: is interesting because once again, it doesn't discuss about other
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: life elsewhere. Like it doesn't talk about bacteria and viruses.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: Those were unseen. We cohabitated with bacteria and viruses until
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: the invention of the microscope, whatever that was, 1800s or whatnot.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: But if you go into Leviticus and Deuteronomy, you will
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: notice these like cleansing, ritualistic stuff. Also like, hey, you
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: can't have your toilet and your living area and all that.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: And if you look in those books of the Bible, wait,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: that's like modern sanitization guidance. So it's funny that like
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: the Bible has encoded within its kind of like best
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: practices before man would even understand what viruses and bacteria are.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: And I just find that that's very interesting based on
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: when it was written. And it does show that there
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: was some sort of higher intelligence kind of influencing the authorship.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: Either that or the civilization that was writing the Bible
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: was a recreation of civilization that had been destroyed in
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: the cataclysm. I think that, especially when you look at
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: the pyramids and you look at some of these other
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: ancient structures like Lebanon, Baalbek, they don't make sense. And
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: it seems to me that there was probably something super
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: sophisticated a long time ago and it got wiped out.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: And then what we get from these ancient texts is
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: probably oral tradition passed on through hundreds, if not thousands
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: of years, and then people writing things down and people
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: remembering these stories.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: I think one of the weirdest books of the Bible
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: is the book of Ezekiel. Yeah. Because the book of
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: Ezekiel is one all the UFO people turn to. Yeah,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: of course. Because there's a great cloud with brightness around
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: it and fire flashing forth continually and in the midst
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: of the fire as it were gleaming metal. And from
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: the midst of the craft came the likeness of four
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: living creatures. Yeah. Like what? Yeah, exactly. The creatures darted
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: to and fro like a flash of lightning. What? Exactly.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: The manna machine, the cloud that followed Israel.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: Wheel within a wheel. There's weird shit in the book
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: of Ezekiel. That is a very, very weird story. What
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: are they describing? It sounds like a spaceship. It sounds
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: like a ship comes down from the sky with immense power,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: frightens everyone, freaks everyone out, and these entities are inside
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: the craft. Yeah.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: And I think a lot of it, once again, they're
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: interpreting it based on their vernacular at the time, their understanding.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: And I remember I was at, two years ago, I
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: was at Capitol Reef National Park in Utah, and there's
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: petroglyphs there, and some of them kind of look like aliens.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: A hundred percent.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: And you're like, well, is that literally what they're seeing? Perhaps.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: And I don't know the answer to that. That's not
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: my expertise. But I feel like a lot of the
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: stuff in ancient tradition is literally what they saw. It's
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: not necessarily allegory or fable. Some of it may be
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: for teaching lessons, but I have a feeling a lot
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: of it was actually literal.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: I have a feeling a lot of it was literal
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: as well because most people, first of all, A, couldn't
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: read and B, couldn't write. And so writing fiction seems
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: like a fruitless pursuit. It seems like writing history so
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: that you can remember what happened, at least a version
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: of it that's palatable. Like ancient Sumer and the Anunnaki
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: and all that. And it's like, well, why did they
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: make up that just for fun? They all had kooky
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: stories about being visited. And, you know, when you're telling
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: me about these things that look like Greek gods.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: That's how I described it. And that's how clearly what
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: General McCaslin was hinting to Tom DeLonge. And once again,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: I got, you know.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: Well, doesn't it make sense that the Greek gods did exist? Like,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, not that they did exist literally, but that
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: like when they talked about the Greek gods, they talked
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: about them in this manner, looking like that. And then
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: you actually find a craft with these things that look authentic.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: Which is like the conquistadors were treated like that in
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: the 1500s, right?
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Right. Literally white, Caucasian. Bearded. Yeah. With horses. They
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: rode horses. They couldn't figure out what the fuck was
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: going on with that.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I'm glad we talked about it. I mean,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: I think that is probably the most uncomfortable stuff for
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: me to talk about, but it's also something that the
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: public needs to wrap their mind around and. understand that
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: this is a thing and kind of start processing that
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: kind of reality. As much as it's coming from me,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: but I mean, the federal government, you know, if Trump
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: really is serious and Stephen Miller, you know, does his
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: thing with this, I think all this will come out
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: in a hopefully responsible way.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: So they have a schedule that's based on the concept
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: that people need to have this information trickle slowly so
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: that they can adjust.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: There were suggestions in the past... If the president did something,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: I am not aware at this point what the plan
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: is in that regard right now, though.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: But there is some sort of an idea that this
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: should be trickled out. Yeah. This shouldn't be like, boom,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: here it is.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: The president truly wants it out. And obviously, Bob Bigelow
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: met with the president as well in February 26 before
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: he made an announcement. I mean, he told the president, hey,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: you need to admit that there's NHI. And we've, you know,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: recovered stuff and we're looking at it in a semi-formal
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: announcement to start anesthetizing the public. And you can find
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: that interview online that Bob did. I think it was
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: with George Knapp on a podcast. So it's not just
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: myself advocating for this. There's other people. I don't even
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: know Bob Bigelow. And, you know, he did us a
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: solid by pushing the president to help make that decision.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of things that went on
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes and you know, I work in mysterious
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: ways and I won't divulge certain relationships in certain rooms.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: I've been in, but.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: It took a village and, you know, I'm proud that,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: you know, the time I spent with Representative Burleson was
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: very fruitful. We did a lot of stuff behind the
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: scenes and I think Burleson's gonna go down as a
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: very courageous man and it's and I say that not
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: just because he was my boss. I mean he was
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: probably the most forward-leaning member of Congress on this issue.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: I mean Representative Luna did a great job, you know
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: Timbersheds and and others, but you know, he actively was
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: sending letters out. We made some of them public. That's
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: how we got that Lincoln Labs formally classified 1952 film
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: outs in the last tranche that just came out. And
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: also we've sent interrogatories, which are legal questions that require
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: an affidavit format response to different organizations. And it's public
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: that we sent one this summer to the MITRE Corporation,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: which is a federally funded research and development center headquartered
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: in Northern Virginia. So they clearly have a duty to respond.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: There are corporate councils working on it. And obviously, you know,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: I left, but hopefully Burleson's team is able to push
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: for a response in conjunction with whatever Stephen Miller and
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: the Pursuit team is working on, too, because they're probably
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: going to want.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: To coordinate all that. So this guy that you communicated
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: with that said he encountered living reptilians and dead greys,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: did they have communication with these reptilians? I don't recall that. No,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. So what.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: Now, some people do get that kind of feeling. And
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: I've talked about that. It was on Dr.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: Phil, actually.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: There is some sort of consciousness communication. Call it telepathy.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: Hell if I know how it works. But it is
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: a thing. And I know sober, high-ranking people I've served
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: a decade and a half with in the government that
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: were on these retrievals that on occasion that would happen
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: or they would have like a feeling come over them.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: It's almost like I wonder... This is like my own hypothesis,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: and I would laugh if this is true, but sometimes
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: it's like a positive feeling.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: Of comfort.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: I wonder if that's almost like a countermeasure on the
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: craft to prevent certain aggression or whatever. It's almost like
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: how Air Force jets have countermeasures on them, flare, chaff,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: electronic countermeasures as well, like jammers. And I wonder if
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: some of that is psychotronic technology- That's just my hypothesis.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: I don't have any secret knowledge.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: Why did you come to that conclusion?
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: Just because, like, it seems interesting. It's like an anesthetization
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: technique to reduce, like, the occupant's risk of danger, maybe.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: And it's like a countermeasure.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, like, if you feel at peace, you're not
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: going to, like, roll up and, you know, do something
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: bad to them.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: And shoot people. Yeah, exactly. Or shoot aliens. Yeah. Right.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: So if you found them and they were vulnerable, they could...
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: placate you and calm you down with telepathy. It's like
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: a countermeasure system. I have a feeling. Why would you
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: think it's that instead of just communication? Oh, it could be.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying my other hypothesis, an absent, because sometimes
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: they'll get that feeling absent some sort of occupant.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: So that's why. Is there a particular type of non-human
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: intelligence that has this telepathic capability or is it amongst
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: all of them?
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: I do not know the holistic answer to that question.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: I do not know.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: The grays do, for example. The grays do?
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: Has that been reported? But I know the tall whites
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: have been reported that they can communicate telepathically. Oh, certainly.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 3: For these weird Nordics.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been accounts out there in the public vernacular
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: on that, potentially. But unfortunately, that's at the limit of
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: my personal knowledge that I feel confident saying that. Something
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: publicly about yet.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: What other kinds of beings have been reported?
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: So for the gray types, there are multiple sizes.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: There's a big, tall, thin one, right?
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's taller ones.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: There's little tiny ones. Yeah. A lot of people think
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: that the tiny ones might be some sort of like
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: an android or.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's certainly a hypothesis that has also been discussed
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: within the program as well. So there's a variety. There's
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: like three or four different subtypes and they all kind
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: of have various statures, different effect. Their faces are a
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: little different.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: The tall ones seem to be running the show and
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: the little ones.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: And I've heard that behind the scenes as well. And
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of that. Once again,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: I don't have like holistic knowledge on kind of that species.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: Well, it kind of makes sense that you would, if
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: you develop some sort of a non-biological life form that
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: worked for you. Say there's a bunch of menial tasks.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: Think about all the things that people have to do
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: in this world. Well, we are silicon-based NHI, aka artificial intelligence.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: We're basically doing that already. Right. It's scary. Yeah.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: And I postulate that artificial superintelligence, if it's allowed to
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: have certain data and it's able to collect data, I mean,
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: to include genomic data, almost like Larry Ellison's doing the
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: Stargate AI medical thing right now with the Trump administration,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: I bet artificial superintelligence could disclose before the federal government
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: if we're not careful. And that's why I feel like
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: times of the essence, I think AI could possibly find
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: evidence that we're not alone and curate that. Like it's
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: been solving other crazy mathematical problems lately.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: Open AI has been doing that.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: And that's another danger besides our adversary accelerating this by
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: taking the upper hand on this to look like a
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: more messianic truth bearer. You could have big tech and
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: AI inadvertently discovering U.S. classified technology that we figured out,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: which is a national security issue near and dear to
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: my heart, but also their presence just through different data sets.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: So they would have definitive proof? How would AI have
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: access to definitive proof unless it hacked into every government resource?
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: Well, medical records, optical sensing systems, that kind of stuff. Certainly,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not aware of some sort of imminent thing, but
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: I think there is a a possibility of the artificial
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: super intelligence, if it comes online in the next months
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: to years, could.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: Figure it all out.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: Because they might see gaps in the historical record that
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: don't make any sense. They detect denial and deception operations.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: They're like, wait a minute. That story about that event
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: in history is not right. Let me do some digging.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: And then they figure out, oh, that was cover for
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: a crash retrieval. That event didn't actually happen the way
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: it does. And I can think of some things that
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: could possibly happen.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: Okay, so you have these Nordic Greek god-looking things. you
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: have these reptilian ones. Are there more than one type
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: of reptilian one? Yeah, there seems to be. And I
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: don't know why there's different subtypes. Does anybody have any
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: artistic renditions of what they saw, the reptilians? I wasn't
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: getting– I was only getting, like, weird fan art of,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: you know, crazy Kyle fighter things. Nothing of, like, a description.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: Let me see what that looks like. It's just nonsense.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: I like nonsense.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: You see some fan art? That will be splashed on
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: young kids' walls as a kid after post-disclosure. You're going
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: to have NHI fan art all over the place. Lamborghini
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: Countach on the wall.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: Right. Well, Betty and Barney Hill, of course, were... Yeah,
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: that's a weird one. And also, Dr.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: Carla Turner did a lot of work in the 90s.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: This was from a description on Reddit. Ooh, he's jacked.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: He's got a tail.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: He's got a hole for a tail in his suit. Yeah,
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: once again, I've never seen one, so I can't... He's
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: wearing scrubs.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: Verify the sketch. Some weird 3D version. Oh, is that
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: the Peruvian? The Peruvian ones are weird.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: That's another open-ended thing.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: Some of the Peruvian ones seem like total horseshit, and
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: other ones are like, what the hell is that? And
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: how is it so old if it's that good of
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: a recreation? If it's art, it's some of the greatest
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: art I've ever seen. All the tendons are correct. Yeah,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: but then the bones of the foot are incorrect, and
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: some people think that it was actually put together and
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: made But then for what purpose? Like what is the
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: purpose of them?
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: Because like grave robbers found it so the Providence is
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: kind of sketchy but they look possibly legit because the
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: MRIs and the CT scans it's like well there's joints
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: and it's connected and if they glued it together there's
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: no obvious places where they kludged it together with the
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: I think it was the bigger ones?
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: Monsterot. Pull the images up with Monsterot. Monsterot's the weird one.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: But again I've heard people who are Is it the
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: one that's pregnant? No. There's one that supposedly is pregnant. Supposedly, yeah.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: But One of the weird things is that people that
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: understand anatomy have looked at the bones of the foot
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: and say, no, this is not how it would work.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: They're pieced together. This is fake. But how do you
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: know if you're talking about something that's not a human?
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: I don't understand that. It's outside of my wheelhouse. Exactly.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: Once again. But the images themselves are fucking strange as shit, man. Yeah.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: They're really weird.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: They just need genetic testing, and I believe that's going on.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe that's going on too, but I don't
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 3: know who to fucking believe. The other thing that's really
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: weird about Peru is not only do they have these things,
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: these weird-looking sort of mummy creatures that look like something non-human,
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: but they also have this ancient artwork tradition of these three-fingered,
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: three-toed creatures... These are like tapestries and paintings that are
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: really fucking old that have these things in them.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: Is that the Nazca lines?
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Nazca lines. This is actually AI uncovered more
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: of them. Yeah. I was trying to find that big one. Oh, really?
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: Was that recently? Yeah, 303 previously unseen Nazca lines in Peru.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: Fucking oh, weird. Really weird stuff. The Peruvian stuff is
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: really strange. The elongated skulls in Peru are really weird.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like whatever started the head binding thing, like I
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: wonder if that's to emulate.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 3: Yes. Well, that's what they think. See, the thing about
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: the skulls are. I don't know the answer to that.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: Have you seen some of the weirder skulls?
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: Some of them. Yeah, they're like really, really like.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: They don't have that sagittal line that we have, that
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: line in the skull. And their brain capacity is far
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: larger than us, 20 to 30 percent larger. So it's
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 3: not just that it was like a manipulated skull. Like
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: this seems to be a completely different type of person.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: That's right. Like is it a missing link or something?
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: Show them some of the weirder skulls that they found.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: Some of the weirder elongated skulls. Like you just can't
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: imagine running into this person. Like if you met this
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 3: person and someone with a 30% larger brain capacity, like
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: what does that mean? Like are these people able to
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: communicate telepathically? Do they have a far higher level of intelligence?
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if their synaptic density is the same as humans
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: or better, like I'm sure crazy intelligence.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: Right. 30% is nuts. And the size of their skull
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: is fucking crazy. And some of them are like tiny
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: bodies but enormous skulls.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right. I think I know what pictures you're
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 3: It's pretty weird. Yeah. It's weird stuff. And then one
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: of my friends recently went down to Peru to see
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: these things and he said the skulls are missing now. Really? Yeah.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: There's apparently that are real. So here's some of them. Like,
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: look at that one on the left. Like, what in
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 3: the hell, man? Imagine if you met that guy. Like, look,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: he doesn't have that same sagittal line that we have.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: And have they done assessments of like how long you'd
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: have to do head binding?
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: It's not head binding.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: Some sort of disease?
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it could be an anomaly. It could be some
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: sort of a genetic thing. But like look at what
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: the dude would look like down there below. Like what
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: the fuck? Imagine meeting that guy and he's talking to
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: you telepathically.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: Hey, you never know. That might be a thing sooner
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: than you think.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 3: I mean that image right there, that skull, that is
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: a real elongated skull. that they found in Peru. That
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: is not just the product of head binding. There's no way.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: It's too big. Like head binding doesn't increase the capacity.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: It just flattens out the shape. That's a weird fucking head, man.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, that makes sense. I know what you're talking about.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: Unless it's some sort of disease and I'm not an expert,
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: that's really.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: It certainly could be. It could be some sort of
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: a genetic anomaly, some sort of a mutation. Yeah. Who knows?
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: And a trait that was passed on, like there's those
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: people that live in Africa that have like Ostrich feet.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 3: Have you seen that?
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: No. I'm learning a lot.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's this weird group of people in Africa that
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: have this very specific trait where they do not have
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: five toes on each foot. Instead, they have these long,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: strange appendages that almost looks like four or five toes
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: smashed together, but much longer.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: And they call them like, I think they call them
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: ostrich feet. It's very weird, but, like, it's in this
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: one tribe, and many people in this tribe have it.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: Very rampant. Yeah. Show some images of that. It's fucking
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 3: really strange. So you see that, and you go, okay, well,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: that clearly is a genetic anomaly. Maybe the head thing
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: is a genetic anomaly as well. Yes. Like, look at that.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: Ostrich-footed people of Zimbabwe. Interesting. Yeah. Fucking strange, man. So
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: look at the people down there. Look what they look like. Scroll, yeah.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: How weird is that? Wow. So they have two big
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: long things that are way longer than a toe and
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: they splay out and that's what their toes are. And
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: it's like this tribe, multiple people in this tribe have it.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: What if they've sequenced the genome of the, let's see,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: there's some sort of genetic abnormality.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: Well, there certainly is, right? Because it seems like, are
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: their fingers normal? Because it's passed down. No. No.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: So they've got the issue with their hands as well.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: They're missing. I can't tell. Yeah. No, it seems like
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: it's with their hands as well. Yes. Look at her
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: left hand.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: It's almost like an elephant Titus kind of looking thing.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: Very fucking weird. Whatever it is. So you could imagine
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: if that exists and exists with multiple people in this tribe,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: that a large head anomaly could exist as well. So
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: you have the tall greys, the small greys. You have
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: more than one version of reptilian?
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: From what I understand, yes. I'm not an expert on that.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: What have you heard, though? I'll defer.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: Some look a little more humanoid, from what I understand.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: Once again, I'm hitting the limit of my high-confidence knowledge.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: More humanoid, but still reptilian. Yeah.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: Okay. And tall. And tall. Seven foot plus. big giant
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: reptiles around the world.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: Which I thought was so funny because, you know, that's
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: like the schizo thing you hear out like in public,
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: you know, the big reptiles, lizards.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: Turns out that's kind of a thing and I just,
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: it's just strange. But once again, I personally have not
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: seen any of that.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 3: That is one of the weirder theories of ancient civilizations
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 3: as well that during the time of the dinosaurs, like,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 3: let's imagine that human beings weren't the first intelligent creature.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 3: Let's imagine that That there was an intelligent reptile and
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: that this intelligent reptile had formulated a very complex society
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: 100 million years ago. Like why not? Like if dinosaurs
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: existed 100 million years ago, why not some sort of
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 3: a reptilian type creature? We have a tiny amount of
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: fossils just from the amount of dinosaurs that existed. That's right.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: And if these things had some sort of sophisticated disposal
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: of bodies– If they had burning rituals or if they
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: never let their bodies just lay around and become fossils,
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: we would never find them. Exactly. What is that called?
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: Not saurian. It's like there's a theory about that that
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 3: people have.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. It's outside my expertise.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: It's a wacky theory because there's no evidence at all.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: It's just like what if there was an intelligent race
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: of reptiles that existed alongside dinosaurs? Yeah.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: That might be a thing. And that's also, once again,
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: going back to bioengineered. Is it sourced from Earth genomic stockpile?
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 3: Did they visit us from somewhere else?
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: I don't currently know the answer to that.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: Colonize this planet. Yeah.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, they clearly have advanced technology, but I don't
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: understand the origin.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: But you're convinced that this is an actual phenomenon, that
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: this isn't just a cover-up for some top-secret black ops programs? No, no.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: I would know because I was in the position to
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: know all that kind of stuff. Unlike Elon Musk, I
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: actually had all those clearances. And we can talk about
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: Elon if you want, but interesting guy. But the phenomenon
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: is so old, we've been seeing the same objects for
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: so long, it rules out any kind of, you know,
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: modern Cold War technology. Now, have there been oops where
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: people have seen our stuff? Yes, I won't get into
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: that because that is a national security thing. And I'm,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: you know, that's, I'm very deferential to that. But there's
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: clearly a genuine presence, the phenomenon's old. If you listen
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: to the 1952 recording that Representative Burleson got declassified from
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: MIT Lincoln Labs, you'll hear Edward Ruppelt, who eventually defected
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: from Blue Book because he realized it was a cover up.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 3: In the 50s.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: But he talked, he was talking to the Beacon Hill
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: study team at Lincoln Labs saying, hey, the Air Force
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: has ruled out mass hysteria.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 3: We're seeing shit.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: During nuclear sites, tests. Oh, by the way, in the
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: White Sands Holloman Air Force Base area, we caught multiple
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: objects traveling an estimated 3,500 miles an hour. We can't
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: rule out maybe some sort of meteor shower, but we're
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: seeing a lot of weird shit moving at velocities that
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: we don't know. And in the recording, it talks about like,
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: We've ruled out foreign programs, et cetera. This is an
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: internal recorded briefing between Lincoln Lab scientists and the Air
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: Force that just got released in the recent tranche. And
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: so that rules out a lot of human activity. And
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: so the thought experiment or the kind of the path
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: I lead people is like, OK, are UAP real? Of course,
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: people have seen it will be more inclined to saying yes, but.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: If you look at the whole tapestry of information to
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: include orbs that are accosting the federal government as we speak,
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: and there's a whole task force looking at it right
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: now between ODNI and Department of War, et cetera. And okay,
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: so it's real. They're interacting with man. So you don't
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: think the federal government at one point tried to acquire
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: some empirical evidence? course they did.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 3: Of course they did. They recovered shit.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: But it is... Yeah, so it's like once you cross
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: that Rubicon, you're like, well, that makes sense why crash
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: retrievals could be a thing. You think the government just
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: passively studied it? Oh, we did a secret blue book
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: and we were just like, you know, imaging stuff. No, baby,
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: we're doing for material exploitation and acquisition. We're going to
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: go get some of the shit when we get a
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: chance when, you know, there's a mission failure or one
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: crashes or lands for whatever other reason. So that's Once
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: you accept that, it's like a whole new paradigm in
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: your mind.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 3: Like, holy shit.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: And then all this crazy stuff we're talking about with
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: Nordics and the beings. It is wild, but it's true. Like,
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: of course, if you're recovering an artifact, you're going to
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: get biological shit too. And that's, I think, the place
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: where the public has a harder cognitive leap where it's
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: just so hard to conceptualize something you don't see day
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: to day. That's a, a living thing. It's like even
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: more wild than finding some new animal in the Congo
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: or some deep sea creature in the bottom of the ocean.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: Like we don't even know what's, you know, 70% of
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: the ocean or something like that hasn't even been mapped.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: Something like that.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It's more than that. It might be
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 3: more than that.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: And you know, it, it's just shocking because it's just, it's, it's,
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: but it's familiar at the same time. You know, a
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: lot of it's bipedal and as the bilateral symmetry and
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: it just like, what does this mean? Like they're so similar.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: Are they organic life from another planet? Like how would
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: evolve in such a similar way? Where are these like
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: von Neumann probes that are sent with occupants that are bioengineered?
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: Cause they know on this M class planet, there's these
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: homo sapien sapien creatures. They look like this, this and that,
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: and they tweak a couple of things, et cetera. So it's,
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know all the answers to that. And I
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: wish I did, because I'm sure the public has a
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: big desire to know that. But I think eventually, through
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: the president's courageous actions, it'll come out.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: So the intent of Project Blue Book was clearly to obfuscate. Yes.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: And you don't have to take my word for it.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: I talk about a formally classified Australian joint intelligence organization
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: document that was classified secret in 1971. written by a
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: gentleman called Harry Turner, who is the nuclear branch chief
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: for the GIO, which is the Australian equivalent of the
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: Defense Intelligence Agency, DIA. And it's like page eight or
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: seven through 18 of the document, which is in the
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: Australian National Archives. The Providence is impeccable. Harry Turner had
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: a top secret clearance, clearly, and had contacts at CIA
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: in America. And if you read a summary, it's like, yeah,
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: Blue Book was a facade. The Air Force was fucking awesome.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: really concerned about this. They wanted to figure out what
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: was going on. Could they make use of whatever this
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: technology is? And they created this plan of ridicule and disinformation, unfortunately,
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: after the Robertson panel in 1953 to dissuade the public
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: from looking in on it because America was afraid of
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: that being used as a false flag by the Soviets.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: And there was other kind of national security objectives. And
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: that's publicly accessible. You can read it. And that was
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: from the Australian government's perspective, what the cover-up was in 1971,
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: looking back from late 40s to present at the time.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: And that's essentially the thesis of Harry Turner. So of course,
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: this is outside looking in, but he was very well informed.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: And he traveled to the US and talked to the
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: CIA a lot. And so he stitched together the puzzle
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: in his mind of what he thought was going on.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 3: Well, it's also the statements of J. Allen Hynek who
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 3: left Project Blue Book and talked openly about his role
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 3: during Project Blue Book was to dismiss any and all
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 3: sightings as being either some sort of a natural occurrence
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 3: like ball lightning or meteor showers or planet Venus or,
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 3: you know, just a misunderstanding. And that he believed after
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 3: all of his years in Project Blue Book that there
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 3: was a real phenomenon. Exactly. And then after he left
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: Project Blue Book, he became a UFO researcher.
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of it was Donald Kehoe. There's a
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: lot of, you know, James McDonald, Dr. James McDonald, and
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of those OGs in the subject area that
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: I only recently learned about because I haven't been following
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: this until, you know, relatively recently realized it was real.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 3: What do you know about the Richard Nixon, Jackie Gleason story?
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that happened, but... Based on Nixon's
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: personality and he was knowledgeable on this topic, that might
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: have happened. I don't know. But I could see Nixon
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: doing that.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 3: Well, it's a fun one. And it's really particularly fun
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 3: because Jackie Gleason built a UFO house. Oh, did he?
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 3: I did not know that. You didn't know that one?
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: No.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 3: Let me show you the house. The house is crazy.
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 3: It was for sale for a while. We thought about
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 3: buying it.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: Where is it?
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 3: It's in upstate New York, I believe.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, interesting.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 3: It is a very weird house. He built a house
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 3: that looks like a flying saucer. Interesting. In the woods.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 3: And apparently, according to his ex-wife, he was obsessed with
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 3: flying saucers. That's the inside, but show the outside. Yeah. No, no.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 3: The one down there? Yeah.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: And Jackie Gleason of all people, too.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 3: There's separate buildings that he had on the property, but
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 3: it was basically like a UFO-themed property. Like, what the
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 3: hell's that, Jackie? Interesting. What the fuck are you making?
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 3: His whole house looked like UFOs. It's very strange.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: Well, and with Nixon, there's the whole story with Robert
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: Emmenager and the promise of footage.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 3: And all that.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: And from what I understand, the MacArthur Foundation was kind
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: of the cutout for that between the White House and
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: the filmmakers. And obviously it didn't work out, but.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 3: So they were thinking about disclosure as far back as
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 3: the Nixon administration?
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, and I know of an assessment that was done
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: for Nixon basically saying it's going to cause absolute fucking chaos.
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: And it's interesting that assessment was... right after that assessment,
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: Watergate happened, which is kind of very convenient. And so
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: I have some questions about that era as well, because
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: it seemed like there was some movement with Nixon. I
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: don't know the rationale or why Nixon wanted to do it,
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: but it seemed like there was some energy. And that's
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: what sucks is like, so Trump's finally the first president
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: to like overtly say, I want all this shit out.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: And like other presidents have failed and he really has
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: an opportunity. I mean, it's the same thing I go
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: back to the Hillary Clinton thing, right? So prior to
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: the 2016 election, Hillary talked publicly, and this is public record,
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: that if elected, she would release the UFO files. So
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: what happened was John Podesta greenlit a climatization activity, a
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: popularization activity, and that's why Tom DeLonge got his advisors.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 3: That's why General McCaslin talked to him.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: It wasn't because General McCaslin, Robert Weiss at Lockheed, other people,
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: that's all in WikiLeaks, just wanted to talk to Tom
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: because he was a rock star and was infatuated by
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: a celebrity and wanted to help on a sci-fi movie.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: It was because they were given top cover to see
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: Tom as a public figure who had the touch of
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: the youth, rightly or wrongly. I mean, once again, there
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: was an attempt and I'm not going to judge them
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: bad or good, but they were trying to prep the
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: battle space prior to 2016. Obviously, Hillary didn't win. Trump won.
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 1: And clearly, that activity pivoted and you saw kind of
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: the collapse of the original TTSA efforts, in my opinion.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: That's what I believe happened. Now, the characters that were
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: involved in that are happy to tell their side of
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: the story or more information. But from what I understand,
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: They were trying to get Hillary. There was an inside
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: job to prep the battle space for Hillary. Jim Clapper
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: and some other people that I know personally were providing
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: some top cover. And that was going to be the thing.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: So the Clintons were trying to do it back in
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 1: the day.
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 3: Don't you think that that's also just a political ploy
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 3: to get people to want to vote for you?
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, certainly there's politics in that. And obviously even in
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: this current situation– you know, the president can use this
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: for political ends, ways and means, whether making some threshold
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: announcement for the upcoming midterms or by, you know, the
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: 2028 election cycle. I mean, it could be used in
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: political ways too. So, but it is a real topic
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: and the government has real information on it though. Hmm.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 3: Okay. So, so we've covered the grays, the tall grays,
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 3: the little grays, the reptilians, various forms, the Nordic looking
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 3: Greek God looking ones.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 3: And there's like a, Isn't there like a mantis?
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: In terms of the humanoid ones, there's like different kind
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: of from very human to clearly not human, but humanoid-ish.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: But like you said, I have heard, I'll call it
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: water cooler talk within those channels of, like you said,
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: some sort of insectoid. But I don't know anything about it,
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: if that exists. I've heard, you know, like I said,
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: water cooler talk about it. I'm open to that idea, clearly,
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: because of all this other stuff. But I don't have
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: any knowledge of that, any high confidence.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 3: Any detailed description of the number of different types of
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 3: entities and beings?
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, the program has that.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, I never had full access, no. Did anybody
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 3: ever discuss it? Like how many they think there are?
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 3: Is it upwards of 10? Is it more? Is it 20?
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: No specific numericals. I only remember in passing having those discussions.
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: And of course, I was sitting in Senate chambers when
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: that crazy meeting happened where I found out, you know,
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: they wanted to physically hurt me, but, um, some of
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: those were brought up and pass them, but there wasn't
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: like a, uh, here's the exact number and here's the whole,
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: you know, organizational chart. I never got exposure like that.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: So I unfortunately don't have that level of confidence on
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: how everything is.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 3: Do you know what supposedly happened to those living reptilians
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 3: from the crash? Uh, deceased, they were killed. They were killed.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 3: So we killed them. Yeah. Whoa. They are mortal. So
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 3: how did we kill them? Yeah. Did we shoot them? Yeah.
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 3: We shot the reptilians.
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 3: Jesus. Yeah. That seems like a bad idea. Yeah. Maybe
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 3: we should like tell them to call your friends and
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 3: come get picked up.
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: Well, it's the same thing as like if we force
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: these craft down.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 3: Is that the best thing we should be doing? If
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 3: we force it down. But it sounds like they were
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 3: in a war with the greys. Yeah. Which is also,
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 3: by the way, I realize fucking kooky talk.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: It sounds crazy, but I swear to God, I was
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: in the most sensitive.
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, I believe you.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: Places in government where that discussion was happening with if
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 1: it was real there's no way it doesn't sound kooky
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: even if it's real I know I know and even
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: though I've I know what I know I'm confident what
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: I know but just understanding this like new um normal
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 1: that is eventually going to come out. It's just, it
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: still hurts.
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 3: My head, honestly. How could it not? So, um, why
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 3: did they, do you know why they killed the reptilians
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 3: instead of just telling them to call their homies? It
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 3: posed a threat. They posed a threat. Yeah. Oh, so
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 3: it was defending itself.
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 3: It was a giant reptile. Yeah.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: So, At some point, that story will come out. I'm
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: sure the people who were in some of those events
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: will probably speak publicly at some point.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 3: So it posed a threat like it tried to attack
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 3: the soldiers? Yeah.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: I'll let the people who were there tell their story
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 1: on that.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 3: Can you tell like a little bit of it?
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, it just posed a threat and, you know, U.S.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: personnel started, you know, getting hurt and dying.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 3: So U.S. personnel was killed by these reptilians?
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: I know it's crazy, man, but.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 3: What? Like, how many people were killed? I don't know
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 3: the exact numbers. And once again, I— So it was
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 3: like a fight. Yeah, I hope— A fight broke out.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I hope through this process some of those
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: people are allowed to speak publicly about it so you
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: can just hear it from the horse's mouth, not through
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: me secondhand, you know.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 3: Bro, boy, would I would like to talk to someone
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 3: who shot a reptile.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: You never know.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 3: You may imagine talking to some guy who shot a
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 3: seven foot reptilian. I mean, you think you want to
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 3: talk to the guy who killed bin Laden. That's interesting.
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 3: Talk to the guy who killed the fucking seven foot
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 3: reptilian that tried to kill people or was killing soldiers.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: Sounds pretty crazy.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 3: So goofy though.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 3: While you're saying it, it sounds like this is, and
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 3: this is one of the reasons why people don't like
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 3: to talk about it because it makes you look like
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 3: a fool.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: Think about me. Like I was a very serious Intel officer.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: I had access to the most sensitive stuff. Like I
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: was working on covert action activities, all this. And then
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden I'm inundated with this ecosystem and
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: I'm having to explain this, you know, to members of Congress,
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: you know, my classified testimony. And it's just like, I
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: sound like a fucking crazy person.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: But, But once again, it's true. And I know who
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: I talk to. I know what I saw. And I
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: clearly have some inkling of what's going on behind the scenes.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: And this is a real reality, man. And I hope
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: people look back at this interview and are like, yeah,
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: Dave was fucking really putting his ass on the line.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 3: It sounds strange, but it's not nearly as strange as
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 3: the universe itself. The universe itself is beyond strange. The
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 3: infinite nature of it, the fact that there's stellar nurseries
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 3: and black holes.
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: Like what's dark matter? There's no consensus on that. There's
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: wimps and all these other theories.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 3: The whole idea of the universe is fucking kooky as shit.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 3: And so these beings, this is a very minor level
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 3: of kooky in comparison to what we know.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: Well, when you think about it, you look at all
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 1: the credible military witnesses that have had encounters at nuclear sites.
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, you even look at the Mario Woods and
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 1: Michael Johnson case up at Ellsworth Air Force Base in
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: the 70s that Jesse Michaels just did an episode on.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 1: And it's like, think about those military personnel. Like, you
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: saw the emotion in their face talking about, like, I
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 1: can't believe I'm talking about a gray pushing some sort
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: of probe in me. And it's like, they're even more
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable than myself because they are claiming responsibility. that they
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: experienced that. And you look at Robert Hastings' book, UFOs
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: and Nukes, and all the different encounters military personnel have had, sober,
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: trained observers that are not drunk on duty, they're not high.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: And I've had unbelievable, high-level, serious people in and out
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: of government privately pull me aside and tell me about
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: their personal experiences. And like, Dave, you're the only person
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: I can tell you. I can only tell my wife
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: because I had this thing.
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 3: This happened. This happened. I thought I was losing my mind,
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 3: but this really happened.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: And it was– and it's– I think a lot– a
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: bigger part of the populace I think has had experiences
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 1: than statistics would tell you just because of the stigmatization
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: of the topic. Well, yeah.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 3: I mean I don't know very many people that have
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 3: had encounters, but all of them are very reluctant to
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 3: talk about it. Oh, yes. Especially people with, like, credible jobs.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's the same thing. Like, there's a lot
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: of people behind the scenes that are very credible supporting me,
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: talking to people behind the scenes to bolster my efforts.
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: And they're like, Dave, I could never, you know, be
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: public like you. And so I'm like, trust me, I
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: don't want to do this either. Like, I'd like to,
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: you know, go back to work in the executive branch,
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: put my uniform back on, and go kill terrorists. I
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: used to hunt warlords. Like, I did a lot of
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: crazy shit. I used to do hostage rescue, do the
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: Overwatch for that with certain— JSOC elements. I've done a
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: lot of serious, crazy shit in my career. Unfortunately, a
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: lot of it was traumatizing and, you know, got PTSD
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: from it. But yeah, it's just a lot of people still,
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: even at where we are right now in the movie,
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: so to speak, where we're on the threshold of possibly
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: President Trump succeeding and his team getting this information out there,
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: if they can, you know, broker a way ahead with
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: the elements, I'll call it the deep state of that
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 1: are holding on. And it seems crazy, like, well, but
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: couldn't the White House just, you know, break down the door? Like,
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: why is there pushback, all that? Well, you think about, like,
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 1: MKUltra and how Richard Helms told Sidney Gottlieb to destroy
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: the records. And the only reason why we know of
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 1: MKUltra is Seymour Hersh, right? The New York Times story,
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: there was a leak to the Times. Then Frank Church
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: and other people got information from whistleblowers, and then they
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: found the financial records that weren't destroyed in 1973 through 75. And,
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: and also what they call the, what's it called? Family jewels,
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: crown jewels, where CI director Schlesinger wrote down like all
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 1: the bad stuff the CI was doing that like, you know,
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: we want to make sure this stuff doesn't come out.
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: And then there was like a 1964 ish, CIA inspector
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: general report that was classified and clearly wasn't given to Congress.
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: And that's the only reason we know about MKUltra. It
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: was reluctantly there was an oopsies, you know, and part
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: of this went public. And so I guess there's some
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: historical parallels to my journey and stuff on this issue.
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: And once again, MKUltra, like they had to drag CIA
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 1: to Congress. They found all this other bad stuff, the
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: heart attack gun.
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 1: All this stuff in the church committee hearings.
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 3: And, you know, the- Operation Midnight Climax.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 1: Then there was, what's a funny name? I'm going to
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 1: laugh about that one.
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 3: That's the brothels. What was it?
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, they're very apropos.
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the brothels that gave people acid.
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: Well, and then you just saw there was a story
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: coming out where they, like, sprayed the city of San
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 1: Francisco in 1976. That was just out in SF Gate a.
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 3: Couple days ago. To see how they could spread disease.
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you had Mockingbird where they had people
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 1: on the payroll- And it's like, okay, that's kind of
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: ethically dubious because it's domestic, but it's influenced foreign powers. Okay,
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 1: Smith-Mundt Act, a 1948 violation sort of, you know, on
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: and on and on.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 3: But I think what people really have a hard time
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 3: comprehending is that if this is real and if we
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 3: have been visited, why doesn't everyone know about it already?
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 3: Why haven't they made themselves known? Why don't we? And
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 3: then there's also this weird thing. If anybody that's actually
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 3: experienced it, like if you have a novel experience, If
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 3: you are going through a national park in Utah and
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 3: there's no one out there and then all of a
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 3: sudden some disc shows up, hovers over you, lands, some
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 3: strange creatures come out of it, talk to you telepathically,
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 3: get back in the disc and take off. Then you
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 3: have the whole missing 411 stuff out there too. Oh, yeah.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 3: I had that guy on too.
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: Clothes are folded. I don't know the answer to that.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: And I think– So why isn't this more pervasive? I
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 1: would say it's reasonably pervasive, but we see these craft
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 1: using cover concealment deception techniques such as signature management, right?
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: Like think of the Klingon bird of prey cloaking, right?
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 3: We have seen that.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: And so they're masking their signature, but like as Jacques
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: Vallée will say, there's some sort of control system. It's
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 1: like a show and display thing. It's a stimulus for
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of this. And then also, why don't they
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: overtly interact? That gets into like the exopolitique of this
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: I certainly am not conversant in that yet. I hope
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: to learn more as the public, to learn more about
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 1: the objectives, why they're here, why there hasn't been overt contact,
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: but clearly interactions with, you know, the secular nation state governments. And, well,
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: what's the arrangement? I don't know the answer to that.
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 1: And so there's, or is it? Like the prime directive
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: in Star Trek, right, where they're pre-warp civilization. We observe.
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: We're interested here. We're studying the planet. But we're not
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: going to overtly influence their development because that's unethical according
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 1: to our standards of behavior and norms and rules of engagement,
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: you know, like it is in Star Trek, for example.
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 3: Well, also just to avoid any sort of unbelievably catastrophic
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 3: just upheaval of society. Yeah. You would do it very
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 3: slowly like it's being done. Like today, the way it's
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 3: being discussed is very different than the way it was
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 3: being discussed 20 years ago. Right. So 20 years ago
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 3: is 2016. We hadn't had or 10 years ago was 2016.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 3: We hadn't had the New York Times story yet. The
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 3: New York Times story is 2017. That changed everything. I
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 3: think 20, 10 years before that, you talked about this stuff.
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 3: You were a fucking idiot and a kook.
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 1: This is a cottage industry. And I also going back
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 1: to the kind of the pattern of lifing this, so
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 1: to speak. I think the nature of the interaction was
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 1: more overt in antiquity. So something changed at some point
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 1: in human history where, going back to Greek gods and
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: whatever ends up being true, we'll find out, I guess,
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 1: in this process. That seems more overt, like, you know,
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: mass kind of interactions.
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure you've seen those ancient paintings that it
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 3: looks like a guy sitting in a craft that has
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 3: fire behind it and he's flying through the sky. Like,
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 3: what the fuck is that?
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not full Chariots of the Gods or whatever,
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 1: that book, but I think there's probably a happy medium
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 1: that ends up being accurate. But it looks like the
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 1: nature of the interaction, does that mean a different group
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 1: of intelligences?
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 3: Right. How many of them are there?
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: And the group changed and went away, and there's, like,
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 1: this new generation. I don't know the answer to that,
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 1: but it does seem, if you pattern a life it,
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 1: the nature of their show and display, their concealment, deception,
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 1: their forced presentation, so to speak, you know, to use
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 1: kind of military talk, has changed. And clearly, they're less
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 1: likely to do anything major, negative or positive, for whatever reason.
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 3: Is there a consensus as to their origins? Because I
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 3: know that– or do they vary wildly? Like there's a–
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 3: like Timbershed has talked about the ocean.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 1: There is– yes, we know a lot about that.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 3: What do we know about that? Well, be careful because
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 3: it gets.
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 1: Into sensitive Navy underwater things. There's clearly some sort of
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: base of operations in certain locations.
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 3: It's large.
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 1: Don't know when it got there.
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 3: So it's– It's large.
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 1: Large. Like multiple city blocks type stuff. Yeah.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 3: So there's multiple city blocks somewhere in the bottom of
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 3: the ocean.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 3: Do you know about the Baltic Sea anomaly?
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah. What's going on with that?
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 3: There's some interesting stuff there.
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 1: And once again, I will allow the federal government to
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: deal with that one in our allies and adversaries.
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 3: Okay. But you did say that there's multiple city blocks
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 3: under the ocean. Yeah.
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 1: I will tell you underwater people I know. um, that
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 1: come from that community, they're, they always like, you know,
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 1: the movie, the abyss, Dave, it's kind of a docudrama.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, Holy fuck. You know, that movie, you know,
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: with Ed Harris back in 89. And so that kind
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: of gives you a sense in a pop side kind
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 1: of way for people to visualize there is large.
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 3: Shit down there.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: And it's like, the origin is indeterminate. I'm sure we
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: know a little bit more. I'm not privy to that. And,
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 1: And the way we know things and track that, that
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 1: gets into sensitive national security stuff. And the government may
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 1: have to reveal some of that through some sort of
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 1: acknowledgement strategy. The way it's been described to you are
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 1: these large city blocks or whatever the hell it is
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 1: under the ocean.
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 3: Is this a waypoint? Is this a stop off? It
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 3: looks like a base.
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 1: A fort, a base? Stuff comes and goes.
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah. So this is like where they observe and.
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure we've done a behavioral analysis on it
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 1: and we probably figured out maybe the mission or whatever
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: you want to call it. I don't know the answer
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: to that. I'm as curious as anybody, honestly.
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 3: One thing I wanted to talk to you about because
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 3: it just recently started hitting the news or Twitter at least.
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 3: Someone sent it to me. This guy Matthew Brown saying
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 3: that you tricked him in a psyop. into revealing that
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 3: you turned him into a whistleblower?
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 1: Do you know the story? I didn't even know Matt
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 1: Brown until right before the 2024 hearing. I never met
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 1: the guy while I was a.
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 3: I sent it to you, Jamie. I had to bring
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 3: it up to you because a bunch of people... Yeah,
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 3: there's like some... Make sure you ask him about this. Oh,
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 3: because I was at the Schriever War Game high-level cell
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 3: advisor that I somehow made fake stuff and.
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 1: And the briefing that Matt says he saw, I've never seen.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 1: I can't evaluate the contents of that. And I didn't
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 1: make anything. I've never made a hazing brief on this topic.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: I made some fun briefs just to fuck with some
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 1: of my airmen back in the day, some Star Trek-related stuff,
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 1: just for morale.
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 3: But you're aware of this, right? So what is he alleging?
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 1: He alleges invert and exposure. He was cleaning up the
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 1: file system on a classified system. And I think it
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 1: was like 2018 or something like that. And, you know,
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: he found this briefing. Once again, I met Matt or
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 1: talked to him for the first time in like 2024,
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 1: well after I left the intelligence community. So I didn't
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 1: even know he existed. And unfortunately, I've never seen a
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: briefing like that. So I can't evaluate the contents.
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 3: Have you communicated with him after he said this? Oh, sure, sure.
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just in support, making sure he has resources.
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 3: No, but I mean, after he said that you psyoped him,
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 3: have you communicated with him since then?
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, he said that?
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 3: Isn't that what it says?
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 1: I think that might have been people saying that.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 3: Some other people saying it. Okay. That's news to me.
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 3: I'll call Matt after. So what it is is other
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 3: people alleging that that's how it went down.
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of theories online about myself and, oh,
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 1: I'm being handled. Dude, it's just me. It's sad. It's
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 1: just me. And like my bros and like there's higher
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 1: up people like helping. But unfortunately, like nobody's telling me
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 1: to do X, Y and Z. Obviously, if the president
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 1: wants me officially involved, I'm happy. But like, you know,
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 1: I'm just a dude, you know, doing what I need
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 3: Right. So, yeah. What other weirdness of it before we
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 3: wrap this up? What are the weirdness of it? Do
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 3: you think people don't know about it? Hmm.
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 1: You know, I think there's something to. synchronicities. And I
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 1: don't have an answer why that happens. It just seems
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 1: like weird things just like happen or work out. And
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 1: this is about as woo as I gets. And I
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 1: just look at my own personal journey. Um, you know,
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 1: I was in like the right place at the right
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 1: time and so many instances in my career to learn
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 1: certain things that would help me later. And like, you know,
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 1: met certain people at the right time. And, and of course,
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 1: you know, there's like a, analytical bias most humans have
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 1: where they're ascribing meaning to certain interactions that are actually
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 1: truly random, statistically random.
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: But I've talked to enough people that say the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: And I just, there's something going, there's a, there's like
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  Speaker 1: a hidden.
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  Speaker 3: Hand part of the phenomenon.
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  Speaker 1: That I can't, it's like a certain genesis of why
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  Speaker 1: I can't like point my finger on that I think
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  Speaker 1: is really interesting too. But, That's about as woo as
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 1: I get.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. Do you think that is the nature
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  Speaker 3: of the fabric of the universe or do you think
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  Speaker 3: that this has something to do with extraterrestrial intervention?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think that's like almost like going back to
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 1: remote viewing because, you know, the Stargate program, Grill Flame,
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 1: all the different names it had, like that was adjacent
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 1: to the program. Why do you think we were doing
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 1: the psychic spying program besides competing with the Soviets and
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 1: Chinese on the same topic is because that's the key
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 1: unlock to some of the technology potentially. If you could
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 1: figure out how to. It's what they call it, like, BCI,
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 1: brain-computer interface. But, like, clearly there's some sort of organic-to-tech interface,
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 1: and it's clearly consciousness-based. Not to digress on your original question.
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  Speaker 3: No, but this is what Lazar said as well, that
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  Speaker 3: there was no instruments, and that these things controlled this
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 3: with their mind.
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  Speaker 1: It depends on the class of vehicle, and, like, there's, like,
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 1: really weird shit that we have no idea how it
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 1: works to, like, oh, that kind of looks familiar.
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  Speaker 3: What's the weirdest of the really weird shit? Um.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you just have like the eggs and stuff.
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 1: They're like usually unmanned usually. And it's like, Oh, is
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 1: this like a probe? It's just, it's like a fucking egg,
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 1: you know? Like, and, um, I know Jake Barber has
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 1: talked about publicly recovering them, you know, and, uh, you know,
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 1: I heard, I, you know, heard about that elsewhere. People
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 1: who were, were dealing with that. It's just, it's kind
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 1: of weird. It's like this amorphous thing. It's like the movie,
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 1: like arrival, right?
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 3: You, it, Right. That's a great movie. Yeah.
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 1: Is the technology like embedded in the skin? Like what
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 1: is going on here? There's like no obvious control surfaces.
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 3: Like what's going on? Right. Right. What kind of timeline
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 3: do you think we're looking at in terms of like
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 3: really changing the world?
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  Speaker 1: I think the basic affirmation, the threshold disclosure, you know,
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 1: call it we're not alone. We have stuff kind of thing.
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 1: it has to happen before Trump leaves because I don't
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 1: trust another president to follow through on the president's directive.
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 1: Cause you know, it's the, the, the, the next administration
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 1: can be like, we're peeling that back, baby. We're not
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 1: touching this again. So of course I think he has
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 1: to do it before he leaves office. And if I were, um,
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 1: advising the president and if the team's listening, I would
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 1: do it at least six months before the election, just
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 1: so there's some sort of recovery period and kind of, uh,
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 1: And whatnot. But I'm just a dude. Obviously, I want
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 1: it as soon as possible, like most Americans listening to this.
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 1: How do you envision that something like that would take place?
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 1: Would they have a broadcast? Would they show video and explain?
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 1: That was a plan at one point for a previous
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: administration is they were going to have like one of
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 1: those like government.
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 3: Was this the Bush administration with the how put off days?
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 1: No, this was H.W.
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 3: Oh. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And so. I'm sure the video sucked. It was probably
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 1: has some synth wave government, you know, film from like
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 1: the 1989, like, you know, and it was probably going
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 1: to be horrible and dry, but there was going to
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 1: be this like audio visual kind of a companion to
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 1: some sort of announcements. Now, I don't know all the
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 1: specific details after that. Clearly there has to be a
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 1: physical rollout.
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 3: God, I hope that video exists. It's out there in
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 3: the archives somewhere. We could watch it after disclosure. I know.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 1: We need to have, like, a throwback. Like, you know,
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 1: see the old shit.
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 3: Well, if you think about, like, how long it's been
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 3: that people have, like, slowly become more and more aware
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 3: of this, it seems like a long time, but our
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 3: lives are very short. Yeah. And the reality is, if
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 3: this thing, this phenomenon... has coexisted with human beings and
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 3: guided us, aided us in some way.
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 1: And that's why I don't think people should be too fearful.
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously there's a yin and yang in the universe.
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 1: There's malevolent, benevolent, but clearly there's some homeostasis going on
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 1: right now. And there's been this called cohabitation for the
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 1: lack of a better way to describe it. And clearly
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 1: nothing Do you think that.
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  Speaker 3: Some of this is in conjunction with AI becoming sentient
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 3: and that this was a part of the process?
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know that to be a fact. However, like
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 1: I said earlier in the interview, I am fearful that
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 1: AI is going to figure some of this shit out,
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 1: whether it be technology stuff or the fact that we're
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 1: not alone just by looking at all the disparate databases
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 1: and correlating data. especially if it gets connected to any
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 1: sort of genetic record, medical record, sensing system. And I
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 1: think that's a real threat that if I were to
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 1: advise the White House, they need to think about that
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 1: like third-party unexpected disclosure pathway that artificial superintelligence provides, both
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 1: from a technology risk perspective, but also revealing some of
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 1: this too. And once again, you know, that artificial silicon-based
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 1: AI is like is that the infrastructure that we need
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 1: to communicate to some of this organic intelligence too, because
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 1: it's able to learn and figure out modalities of communication.
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know. So it's pretty crazy. Okay. It's a
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 3: lot to absorb. I know. Thank you very much for
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 3: being here, man. I appreciate it. It's always great to
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 3: talk to you and thank you for all your hard
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 3: work and exposing all this stuff. I mean, I really wonder,
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 3: like if it wasn't for you doing all this, how
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 3: much would we know? I don't know, man.
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 1: I just, I hope this is the last time I
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 1: got a, send it on on an interview and uh
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 1: it's been tough really tough like it's been debilitating i've
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 1: gone through a lot you know i've been in danger
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 1: and i've done a lot of stuff for this country
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 1: over the years but i'm honored to be that guy
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 1: i guess and and risk it all to you know
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 1: unveil this truth because it really was a core secret
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 1: of the.
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 3: United states so i certainly think it moves the needle
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 3: yeah for sure thank you all right bye buddy