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The Intel With Greg Cosell: NFL Draft DT Class Filled With Natural Run Stuffers, Developing Pass Rushers · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to another episode of The Intel with Greg Cossel.
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  Speaker 1: Here on the inside the Birds Platform, I'm Jeff Mosher
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  Speaker 1: with Adam Kaplan, and of course we have Greg Cosell
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  Speaker 1: as he continues to break down NFL draft prospects for
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  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty six NFL Draft. We do it by position,
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  Speaker 1: and it is time to talk about interior defensive lineman,
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  Speaker 1: the big guys up front in the trenches. Greg, And
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  Speaker 1: this is a weird year because although I don't go
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  Speaker 1: around just like you're looking at everybody's mock drafts and
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  Speaker 1: things that there are a couple of guys that I'll
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  Speaker 1: talk with and look at. But every year, almost every year,
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  Speaker 1: there's usually a big stud defensive tackle like a Jalen
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  Speaker 1: Carter right or someone who's gonna go in the top three,
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  Speaker 1: top five, top ten. And I'll ask you, I'll throw
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  Speaker 1: it to you right off the bat. Does it seem
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  Speaker 1: is there a guy that really jumps out at you
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  Speaker 1: like that kind of prospect this year?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think there's one guy that has that close
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  Speaker 2: to that kind of ability. He won't be drafted in
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  Speaker 2: the top ten. We'll get to him in a sec
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  Speaker 2: I think just from a thirty thousand foot view. Though.
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  Speaker 2: What is interesting about this class and probably not so
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  Speaker 2: great for teams, is this is not really a class
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  Speaker 2: where the better interior guys are pass rushers. They're run defenders. Now, no, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you need run defenders, we know that. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's not that interior guy that you go, wow, that
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  Speaker 2: guy is a really really good pass rusher. So it's
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  Speaker 2: really a class of more run defenders than anything else.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Like I said, there's one guy who, possibly
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  Speaker 2: in my view, based on tape and trades without knowing
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  Speaker 2: the person, you know, and all those things that go
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  Speaker 2: into it, but could develop into that kind of all
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  Speaker 2: around player.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we'll talk about that, Adam. This, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I know you and I I mean last year we
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  Speaker 1: were talking about Walter Nolan, how explosive he was. He
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think he got off he was injured,
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  Speaker 1: but then when he got on the field for Arizona,
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  Speaker 1: he really looked like a pretty good player. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: just usually around this time of the year, we're flunning
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  Speaker 1: over some really big, three hundred and twenty five pound
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  Speaker 1: interior three way kind of you know, every down tackle.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting this group is actually pretty deep, but
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  Speaker 3: I didn't quite know what Greg said that. You're just
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  Speaker 3: it's hard to find a guy who does everything. You
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  Speaker 3: know obviously what a guy who gets up field, I think.
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  Speaker 3: And also the thing that we've learned over the years
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  Speaker 3: is with good coaching, got like I knew a coach.
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  Speaker 3: Although it didn't work out. Mazzie Smith, you know, hasn't
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  Speaker 3: worked out at all. Yeah, he loved his college team.
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  Speaker 3: I think we all knew there were there were some motivations.
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  Speaker 3: There was stuff with him like he had him reach
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  Speaker 3: him yep, but he said he goes if you could
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  Speaker 3: give me him for two years, I could take to
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  Speaker 3: the next level. Unfortunately, doesn't look like it's going to
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  Speaker 3: work out. He's now with another team.
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  Speaker 2: But coaches like.
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  Speaker 3: That when you get a project, when you get a guy,
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  Speaker 3: you see that the upside, but the guy needs a
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  Speaker 3: lot of work.
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  Speaker 4: Well it's like a ball of clay. You want that.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe there's one of those guys to move this away.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's funny because I really liked Mazie
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  Speaker 2: Smith too, and I know I remember, but you don't
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  Speaker 2: go over again, none of us. You know, I didn't
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  Speaker 2: know the person, but boy, his traits were really good,
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  Speaker 2: and his tape was pretty darn good at Michigan. And
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  Speaker 2: what's he with his third or fourth team? Now?
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  Speaker 4: Uh, Dallas and the Jets?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Greg. So usually we lobby, you know, guys to you.
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  Speaker 1: We lob guys over to you and you break them down.
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  Speaker 1: But you had someone in mind that you felt was
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  Speaker 1: yeah class, So why don't you go ahead and tell
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  Speaker 1: us who it is?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I think the player who I think sort of
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  Speaker 2: potentially fits that category is is Peter Woods from Clemson.
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  Speaker 2: He's he's a guy that's really really gifted. Now if
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  Speaker 2: coming off his twenty twenty fourth season, because I watched
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  Speaker 2: him last summer and I came away really liking what
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  Speaker 2: I saw. And obviously he did not have the exact
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  Speaker 2: same year, nor did Clemson as a team have the
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  Speaker 2: exact same year. But you're dealing with a guy that
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  Speaker 2: is explosive. He's versatile in terms of where he can
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  Speaker 2: line up inside. He's got initial quickness, he's got secondary quickness,
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  Speaker 2: he's got strength, he's got power, he's got all the
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  Speaker 2: traits that you look for in an interior defensive lineman.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny because there were times that they even lined
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  Speaker 2: him up more so last year in twenty twenty four
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  Speaker 2: than this year at WHY nine to rush the quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: and he did okay. In fact last year when I
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  Speaker 2: watched him last summer and I thought he was a
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  Speaker 2: really strong prospect, I thought that two players came to
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  Speaker 2: my mind. Okay, and these were players when I think
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  Speaker 2: about them that came to my mind based on their
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  Speaker 2: college tape. That's, you know, normally the way I do it,
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  Speaker 2: as you guys know, I thought he reminded me both
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  Speaker 2: of Kenny Clark and Fletcher Cox. Wow, Fletcher Cox, for
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  Speaker 2: people may not know because it was a long time ago,
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  Speaker 2: but when Fletcher Cox was at Mississippi State, there were
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  Speaker 2: many snaps he lined up as a defensive end. And
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  Speaker 2: Peter Woods did that in twenty twenty four, and I
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  Speaker 2: really thought that Woods was a guy that had those
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  Speaker 2: kinds of traits. Now I think he ideally projects and
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  Speaker 2: transitions best as a three technique and a four man
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  Speaker 2: base D line front because he has first step explosiveness,
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  Speaker 2: he's got secondary quickness and flexibility. He's a gap penetrator,
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  Speaker 2: he's a block deconstructor. I mean, I really like him.
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  Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot there with this kid.
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  Speaker 2: To me, he'd be the best prospect. And again I
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  Speaker 2: think that's the key in the operative word here. He's
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  Speaker 2: a prospect right.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Adam, Where does the thirty one and one quarter
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  Speaker 1: inch arms fall on the defensive tackle?
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  Speaker 4: A good question. You like them to be longer.
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  Speaker 3: He's actually technically of course, when he gets waved he
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  Speaker 3: was under three hundred the combine. I think, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: So the arm length is going to be a concern
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  Speaker 3: that it is. You we know, sometimes defensive tackles have
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  Speaker 3: shorter arms, sometimes so longer. Fletcher Cox, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: had great length. And it's funny because Greg brings him up.
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  Speaker 3: I just remember because Jim Washburn was he was super
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  Speaker 3: high on him. He was the Eagles d line coach
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  Speaker 3: at the time. He couldn't keep his mouth shut. He
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  Speaker 3: was so excited to get Fletcher Cox. And those guys
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  Speaker 3: are rare though that have size ability. With him, it
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  Speaker 3: was just the motivation. Would he apply it all the time?
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  Speaker 3: And he's he's like what we call a rungblow hall
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  Speaker 3: of fame. He probably won't not be all famer, but
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  Speaker 3: he's he gos hall of fame for sure.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, But this guy.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's arm length that's going to be part of it.
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  Speaker 3: But I like what Greg said to move this forward.
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  Speaker 3: He's got the most complete package of all of them.
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  Speaker 3: Now coaching matters. I'll be very interested to follow where
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  Speaker 3: he goes.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: She's also six two, by the way, six two and
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  Speaker 1: a half.
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  Speaker 2: Which is now. I mean, he's more stout than than long.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously that's the difference between him and Fletcher, but in
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  Speaker 2: terms of how he was aligned, kind of the way
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  Speaker 2: in which he played, and that could Adam could well
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  Speaker 2: be right, by the way, because teams factor all that
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  Speaker 2: stuff in. I mean, you know, I love when people
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  Speaker 2: say things like, well if he was an inch taller,
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  Speaker 2: Well he's not, so you know, it's not really relevant,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and that's going to factor into, you know,
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  Speaker 2: some team's worldview. I mean, I know. Shoot, I remember
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  Speaker 2: talking to a really good defensive line coach will remain
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  Speaker 2: nameless about when Aaron Donald came out and he really
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  Speaker 2: struggled with his size and he said, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: I could draft him, and you know, look obviously, and
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  Speaker 2: then I spoke to him a number of years later
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  Speaker 2: and he said to me, well, you were right, and
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  Speaker 2: I was wrong, you know, but you know, these are
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  Speaker 2: things that all teams weigh and discuss, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes you get it wrong, you know. And as Adam said,
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  Speaker 2: every team has, you know, certain and I know he
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  Speaker 2: said this numerous times. You know, certain critical factors, certain positions.
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  Speaker 2: There might be a team that says, hey, he's under
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  Speaker 2: three hundred pounds, or he's under sixty three or you know,
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  Speaker 2: and or his arm length is under thirty two, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, therefore we're not you know, that could be
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  Speaker 2: the case.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, yep, Hey, Greg, you know if Peter Woods ran
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  Speaker 1: a four to six forty at that you know size,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he would definitely been a top ten.
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  Speaker 2: There you go, there you go.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go to Ohio State. They seemingly put in a
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  Speaker 1: defensive lineman in the NFL. Seemingly every year in the
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  Speaker 1: first or second round they have Eden McDonald.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy is He was a very fun watch
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  Speaker 2: because you talk about a guy that can play the run,
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  Speaker 2: I mean this guy, I mean, there's no mystery to
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  Speaker 2: this guy whatsoever, to his tape, what he showed on film,
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  Speaker 2: and that transitions well to the next level. He is
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  Speaker 2: an outstanding run defender with a great traits profile. He's
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  Speaker 2: got quickness off the ball, he's got short stroke, knock
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  Speaker 2: back power, he can control and displace interior o Ligneman
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  Speaker 2: just really strong hands and a powerful grip. The thing
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  Speaker 2: that really stood out about him, and it's very rare guys,
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  Speaker 2: and this is what makes him a truly intriguing prospect,
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  Speaker 2: is he made a lot of tackles as a defensive tackle.
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  Speaker 2: Rarely that is the case. Very often. You can watch
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  Speaker 2: guys and you feel great about their trades, and they
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  Speaker 2: can control and displace guys. They do all those good things,
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  Speaker 2: but they don't make tackles, you know, which is why
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  Speaker 2: I've always said to people, you can look at a
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  Speaker 2: statu sheet and see a detackle, have one tackle in
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  Speaker 2: the game, you put the tape on. He dominated the game.
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  Speaker 2: This guy made over sixty five tackles. That is incredibly
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  Speaker 2: rare for a defensive tackle. And he's to me a
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  Speaker 2: truly fascinating prospect. I mean, if you want to run defender.
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  Speaker 2: And again, let's keep one thing in mind. It doesn't
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  Speaker 2: mean that he'll never be a good pass rusher, and
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  Speaker 2: I think that's an important point. He is not now,
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  Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean you know that he'll never be
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  Speaker 2: You just don't know the answer to those questions. I
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  Speaker 2: mean you really don't. But you know right now he
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  Speaker 2: is not a pass rusher, But man, is is he
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  Speaker 2: a great run defender? And and I mean it's he
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  Speaker 2: was just dominant. I mean, you're dealing with a guy
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  Speaker 2: he's you know, he's got good size. What is he six? Uh,
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  Speaker 2: he's not long. He's six two in an eight three
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  Speaker 2: twenty six arm only thirty two and a quarter is fine,
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  Speaker 2: you know, but he's just a dominant, dominant run defender.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you guys think about guys like Broderick Bunkley
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  Speaker 1: or even Tim Jernigan. You know, they played years in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL and they would come off on pass rushdowns
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  Speaker 1: because they didn't develop into the their team wanted them to.
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  Speaker 1: But they still played years. And I think Jernigan probably
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  Speaker 1: could have played a little longer if not for some
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  Speaker 1: strange off field incident that led him, you know, with
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles, to getting his contract restructured. But the point
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  Speaker 1: is they you know, one of them is a super
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  Speaker 1: the journey was a world champion. They played an important
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  Speaker 1: role on that team.
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  Speaker 3: You know what's funny, Jeff that you bring this up,
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  Speaker 3: because how many times did we have this talk about
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  Speaker 3: Jordan Davis. He'd better start playing more snaps where it's
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  Speaker 3: not gonna work. It took him four years.
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  Speaker 4: You never know.
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  Speaker 3: You just don't know because you only go by what
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  Speaker 3: the tape tells you. But yeah, let's get to the
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  Speaker 3: next guy. The next guy's got elite length, but he's
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  Speaker 3: come back from a broken foot, Greg that's Caleb Banks
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  Speaker 3: from Florida, six six and a quarter three days.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, this guy, it's such a shame with
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  Speaker 2: this guy because let me tell you something. I watched
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  Speaker 2: this guy last year, okay, and I thought this guy
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  Speaker 2: was a first round draft pick all day long because
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  Speaker 2: I watched him last summer and where he played almost
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  Speaker 2: all the games, if not all the games. And I mean,
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  Speaker 2: when you talk about a guy that has everything you
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  Speaker 2: want in a defensive tackle like he could arguably be
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  Speaker 2: you know, I mentioned Peter Woods, I probably should should,
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  Speaker 2: you know, retract that a little and say Caleb Banks
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  Speaker 2: because you're dealing with a guy you talk about a laye.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this guy's silly. He's six six and a quarter,
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  Speaker 2: three twenty seven arm lane thirty five inches wingspan eighty
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  Speaker 2: five and three quarters. Think about that. Now. I thought
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  Speaker 2: that his twenty twenty four tape was ridiculously good. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he only played three games this year, but
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  Speaker 2: he flashed a lot of the same traits. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he's country strong, he's got that confined space power, he's
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  Speaker 2: got really heavy hands, he's got a powerful club move.
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  Speaker 2: You know. I think that when you talk about the
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  Speaker 2: quickness and the power element to his game. And obviously
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  Speaker 2: would need some refinement as a pass rusher, but he's
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  Speaker 2: key if he can be healthy. And again, now now
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  Speaker 2: you get into the person, not that he's hurt, because
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  Speaker 2: he's a good or bad person, but I mean you
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  Speaker 2: get into you know, the commitment and all that. But
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  Speaker 2: this guy at that size and with those traits, those
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  Speaker 2: physical and athletic traits, I mean, he could be he
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  Speaker 2: could be the special D tackle in this draft class.
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  Speaker 1: To get into that same situation, it reminds me of
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  Speaker 1: the Josh Simmons discussion last year, the left tackle for
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State. Yeah, all the year's tape from the year
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  Speaker 1: before was really good. He was supposed to be the guy,
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  Speaker 1: and then I think the Chiefs got him really late
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  Speaker 1: in the first round last year. If i'm if I'm
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  Speaker 1: very very in yep, I think they flip flop with
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles, if I'm not misstare or something like that,
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  Speaker 1: right in the last year's draft, because didn't the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: trade up one just to get you hot Campbell? I
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  Speaker 1: think that was the situation, didn't trade off.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I forget it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think with the Chiefs, and then the Chiefs
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  Speaker 1: took took Josh Simmons. But yeah, the injury here clearly
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  Speaker 1: factors into the evaluation.
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  Speaker 2: Unfortunate.
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  Speaker 3: It's the second time he's broken his left foot, so
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  Speaker 3: that's something that's gonna be looked at really hard. But
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  Speaker 3: Greg's review is pretty interesting.
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  Speaker 2: The injuries. You know, obviously this year was kind of
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  Speaker 2: a lost year. I only played three games, and then
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  Speaker 2: he breaks the foot again, and then from what I read,
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  Speaker 2: he won't be even ready till June or July, you know,
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  Speaker 2: And so it's he's going to be a call for
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  Speaker 2: teams because someone is going to look at him and think, man,
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  Speaker 2: if this guy's healthy, you could be dealing with just
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  Speaker 2: traits wise, you could be dealing with a top five
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  Speaker 2: d tackle in the league. Down the road, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this guy has those kinds of traits.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's head over to Texas Tech and get
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  Speaker 1: your breakdown. Greg of Lee Spy Hunter.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's another you know, run defender type. And again
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  Speaker 2: I say that based on what they show. Now, you know,
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  Speaker 2: teams think about what a guy is going to be
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  Speaker 2: two three years down the road, you know, in addition
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  Speaker 2: to what they are right now, you're dealing with the
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  Speaker 2: guy that's six three and a half three eighteen. He's
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  Speaker 2: got you know, good arm length and the whole deal.
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  Speaker 2: But you know he's he's another guy that's got great size,
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  Speaker 2: he's got confined space strength, he can make plays in
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  Speaker 2: the run game. He's got pretty light feet though. Now
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  Speaker 2: is he is he a pass rusher? No, but he
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  Speaker 2: did show the ability to change direction and redirect in
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  Speaker 2: the run game where he made some chase plays off
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  Speaker 2: his initial get off. So he's got some athletic ability.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there were times he played too upright, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, we know that that's an issue a lot
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  Speaker 2: with these bigger offensive tackle defensive tackles. You know, we
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  Speaker 2: talked about that for years with Jordan Davis. So this
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  Speaker 2: guy definitely showed a tendency at times to play too
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  Speaker 2: high off the ball, and of course we know what
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  Speaker 2: that means. It means it negatively impacts both your natural strength,
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  Speaker 2: your power, your quickness. He doesn't really have any secondary
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  Speaker 2: moves at this point, so he's not really a meaningful
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  Speaker 2: inside pass rusher. He's a run run defensive player. So
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  Speaker 2: you know, where are those guys going to draft? You know,
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  Speaker 2: you have to be true, he's like Cayden. He's not
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  Speaker 2: as good as as Caden McDonald as a prospect. And
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  Speaker 2: then McDonald's is being talked about clearly as a first
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  Speaker 2: round pick. I'd be surprised if Hunter was, but you
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  Speaker 2: never know. But at this point, and he's a run defender.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Let's let's move on to the next guy,
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  Speaker 3: and that would be you want to talk about length
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  Speaker 3: feet it's really interesting and I know, Greg, you see
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  Speaker 3: a lot of these guys as run defenders. But the
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  Speaker 3: length Darryl Jackson Junior, not the receiver, but from Florida State,
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  Speaker 3: six' five and a, half, yeah thirty four and three
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  Speaker 3: quarter inch, Arms, greg and the wingspan you want to
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: talk about ridiculous eighty, Six, greg what are you?
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: THINKING i know this guy's a little freakish in terms
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: of his overall. Size and he's one of those. Guys
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: and you, know, again these are tough things to. Understand
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: you always hear people use the word. Inconsistent you, know
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: that's the. Word this guy's really good plays are ridiculously.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: GOOD i mean you watch him do play well and
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: you feel like this guy could be a, dominant dominant.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: PLAYER i mean the, size the, length the strength inside
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: in the versus the run, game the knock back, power
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: the powerful handstres on first. CONTACT i, mean you know this.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: GUY i mean when he went up against offensive centers
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: when he was aligned to zero, technique, man did he
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: have some? Snaps, well you just went, Wow and then
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: he would extend his arms which are, long to keep
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: his legs. CLEAN i, mean this guy is a force
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: in the run. Game but, again another guy that has
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: very limited pass rush tools at this point in his.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Development can he bull rush every once in a, While,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: yeah but there's no real pass rush and there's some
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: tightness in his hips in his. Core so the question
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: is is he's just a phone booth. Player you, know
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: there was not a lot of redirect and lateral movement
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: to his. Game he's just a, strong strong guy who
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: at his best just can dominate in that six foot
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: you know. Box but those plays are ridiculously good for
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: our younger.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Crowd i'll probably put a picture of a phone booth
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: in this video version of this, podcast just so people
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: understand what that is and what it looks. Like it
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: sounds like a couple of these, Guys. Greg you, know
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: if you just get him with the right coaches who
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: and how to, develop you could really get yourself a
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: nice a nice, player you, know more than a two
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: down lineman or one down Line.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah and they are gonna be coaches who look at
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: these guys and, say, hey you know, what over, TIME
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: i can teach this. GUY i you, know maybe they
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: are never going to be a, great great interior pass,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: rushers BUT i can teach them to rush the quarterback
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: to the point where down the road they can be
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: three down.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Players, greg let's go To georgia because they always put
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: OUT nfl guys in the trenches and The eagles are
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: always paying attention to. Him, chris it might be Pronounced,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: christian it's Spelled Kristin.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: MILLER H, YEAH i think It's Kristin. MILLER i like this,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: kid He's he was one of my favorites because this
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: guy has on more juice to him than than the
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: other players we've been talking. About you, know he. Didn't you,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: know as we found out when they Drafted Jalen, carter
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: a lot of these d linemen At georgia don't necessarily
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: play a ton of snaps because they have so many
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: four stars and five. Stars so you, know a lot
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: of these guys come in the, league they don't play
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: eight hundred. Snaps you, know that Was Jalen. Carter, remember
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: he didn't play a ton of, snaps and that was
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: a concern for some people, that, oh what's going to
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: happen if he has to play sixty five seventy snaps
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: in a, game, which of, course for the most, part
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: when he's, healthy he. Does he's and he's done fine
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: when he's. Healthy miller's not the same level of prospect
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: as Obviously Jalen, carter who was a really high level.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Prospect BUT i really like this. Kid he can play
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: multiple spots along your defensive. Front he's got more, juice
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: he's got a lateral, quickness he's got some vertical burst to.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Him he can develop into an interior pass. Rusher there's no,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: question you, KNOW i think the player he kind of
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: reminded me of WHEN i watched. Him and, again you guys,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: know and probably people listening know. That guys just popp
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: into my. HEAD i don't sit and think about who
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: does the guy remind me. Of he reminded me Of
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Nomini manabouquet in the really good year he had in
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four war with The, ravens where he was,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: both you, know a run defender and a pass. Rusher
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: miller kind of reminded me of. HIM i, think you,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: know you, know, Again i'm not one of those guys
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: that says here's where a guy should get, drafted but
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: it wouldn't surprise me if all of a sudden he
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: gets drafted a little higher than a lot of people are. Suggesting. Now,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: now of, course teams they may love. Him we don't,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: know because teams are not telling you where they're going to,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: draft and these are just people who are, guessing you,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: know As i'm guessing. Too BUT i think the tape
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: shows a guy that can do. Both right now that
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: there's definite three down ability with this. Guy three down Traits.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Greg the next guy is from a.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: School we see a bunch of receivers, drafted but let's
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: look at the defensive side of the. Ball Dominique orange
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: out Of iowa at that, yeah six two three as
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: three twenty two thirty three and three eighth arm.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Length what are your? Thoughts another guy who's just a
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: freakish run. DEFENDER i mean it's and he's actually got
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: some pretty light. Feet BUT i mean he's a really
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: good athlete for a big, man and you, know he's got,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: light active. Feet he's got outstanding quickness off the. Ball
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: they play him anywhere from you, know three techniques to zero,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: techniques sometimes even lines up outside the. Tackle they use
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: him that. Way but he's not really that. Guy he's got,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: strong heavy. Hands you, KNOW i watched him Against iowa
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: and they have this offensive center Named Logan, jones WHO
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: i know is on some people's, lists and he really
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: had dominant naps in the run game Versus. Jones he controlled,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: him he displaced. HIM i, mean this is who he.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Is he's got, strength he's got, power he's got good,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: quickness and he made plays with both power and. Quickness
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: but he's almost no factor at this point as an
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: inside pass. Rusher now because of the quick. Feet you,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: know you look at him and you think maybe down the.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Road you know, again now you get into that same
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: issue coaching where he, goes but you're dealing with a
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: guy that's he's he's really a good inside run. DEFENDER
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: i mean really. Good you saw it?
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Again fun watching his tape Against.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah because you know, WHAT i actually watched him
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: a little bit last, year not as much AS i
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: wanted last, summer because you, know he was a good
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: player last, year and THEN i watched him this year
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: AND i remember, That, yeah this guy is a little
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: juicier than you normally think for a guy with his
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: size and his you, know his. Weight but he was
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: pretty quick off the ball and he had this club
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: arm over move that was really.
• 22:30
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  Speaker 1: twenty one and. Up we'll finish it up With Oklahoma's Grayson.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Halton, now he's a guy that has. QUICKNESS i, mean you,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: know he's one of those guys that actually has some
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: juice to, him and so it'll be interesting to. See
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: he's a three. TECHNIQUE i mean he's under three hundred.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Pounds at the. Combine he was six two and five
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: bays two ninety. Three he ran really really, well you,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: know for whatever that, means but he ran really. Well
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: he's got quickness off the, ball he can attack, gaps
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: he can fet half a. Man he showed that quick
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: strike punch to jar interior. Alignment then he showed some
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: sustaining power as a bull. Rusher is his arm lane
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: shorter than you, Want, absolutely that'll factor. In but you
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: know he's because he's more of an. Athlete he's an interesting.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Guy so he could be one of those guys that
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: becomes sort of scheme specific because you're not drafting him
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: as a run. Defender, now can he defend the, run,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: sure but you're not drafting him to be a run
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: defender like most of these other. GUYS i think this
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: guy can work in a system where there's a lot of, movement, slants.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Stunts you, know he's an. Athlete he's a good looper
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: because he's got body flexibility and quickness and. Burst, so you,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: know so much of this is. Dependent teams will look
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: at a player and, see what's my? Scheme how does
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: he fit my scheme because so much of now THE
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: nfl is scheme. Adaptability you, know, obviously if you have
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: a transcendent player Like Jalen carter was transcending, player you
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: can play in any. Scheme you, know Could Caleb banks
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: could probably play in any. Scheme Peter woods at his absolute,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: BEST i don't, know because of the arm. Length some
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: teams might shy, away but you, know most of these
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: guys then become kind of scheme. Specific you, Know halton
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: would fit really well in one of, those you, know
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: maybe like A rams type, scheme you, know like you,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: know A Braidon fitst type, player Because Braidon fisk was
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: not three hundred and twenty, pounds.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Right, Right, Greg we just went through a bunch of
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: interior defensive. Linemen so just to put things in, perspective
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: how many of the guys that we just talked about
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: our natural zero techniques line up over the center in
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: a five man front from day one in THE nfl.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Dominic gardans can do it in a. HEARTBEAT i, mean
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: that's that's not a problem for him at. All let's
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: see you looking at the. List Lee hunter can do
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: it for, sure. Okay Darryl jackson, absolutely those are the
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: three for. Sure. Okay kate McDonald, could but you, know
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: not as person, though, Right, yeah, YEAH i mean, probably,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: yeah he can do. IT i don't know if if
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: you put him there, Though but those three for sure
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: THAT i.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Just, mentioned and the rest you would say are more
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: three technique by.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Trade, YEAH i, mean you, Know Caleb banks is the
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: sort of The superman and all. This you, know you
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: just because of his, size his, length the arm, length the,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: wingspan you, know the, ability he could probably do. Anything you.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: KNOW i don't want to, say you, know because he's been.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Hurt it's hard to give like a definitive of oh,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: yeah BUT i mean at his, best if he's, healthy
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: he could probably pretty much do. Anything, great.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Awesome that is a look at this year's class of
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: top interior defensive linemen for the twenty twenty SIX Nfl,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: draft and of course all these great tape breakdowns brought
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: to you By Greg cosell For greg And Adam. Kaplan
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I'm Jeff. Mosher you've been Watching The intel With Greg
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: cosell On inside The birds