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Shocking turn in mystery surrounding murder of 2nd grade teacher after home "bleached" clean, and mother-in-law runs down son-in-law after he exposes sex affair · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: February two thousand four, Maura Murray empties her bank account,
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Speaker 1: drives four hours from school, crashes her car, and vanishes.
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Speaker 1: Joined the search as an investigative reporter, uncovers new evidence,
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Speaker 1: interrogates new witnesses, traces down new leads in this riveting
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Speaker 1: XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. Vanessa McCormick, a school
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Speaker 1: teacher in Lynn, found strangled and stabbed inside their home
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Speaker 1: and Revere. According to the victims calendar last Saturday, she
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Speaker 1: planned to go work out at the gym and then
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Speaker 1: go apple picking instead. Prosecutor say she was murdered. She
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Speaker 1: had both slash and stab wounds on her neck. Investigators
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Speaker 1: tell us there were no signs of forced entry, but
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Speaker 1: a grieving husband. Her parents couldn't reach her, and he
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Speaker 1: was telling them that he couldn't reach her either. It
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Speaker 1: was her husband who called police. When the police got there,
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Speaker 1: the place smelled very strongly of bleach. A gorgeous young
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Speaker 1: second grade teacher has been found dead in her Boston home.
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Speaker 1: Police say her body were signs of extensive trauma, but
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Speaker 1: we're not revealing exactly how she died. This married mother
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Speaker 1: of one had worked as a second grade teacher for
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Speaker 1: some time. Her body was found after police respond to
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Speaker 1: a nine one one call. If you could see this woman,
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Speaker 1: she's absolutely beautiful. Why would anyone destroy her in such
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Speaker 1: a vicious way? I mayn't see grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. We want answers in
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Speaker 1: the brutal death of this young woman, Vanessa McCormick, just
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Speaker 1: thirty years old, with her life in front of her.
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Speaker 1: Police investigating the death of this married second great teacher
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Speaker 1: after she's found inside her Boston home with trauma to
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Speaker 1: her body. She was found unresponsive inside her Revere home
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Speaker 1: after a nine one one call. Now joining me right
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Speaker 1: now is Ed Payne. Crime Stories investigative reporter Dr Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: psychoanalysts joining us out of l A and forensics expert
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Speaker 1: not across the country, Karen Smith. Ed Payne, what do
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Speaker 1: we know about Revere, the town where she was murdered? Well,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's just a suburb, just a little bit
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Speaker 1: north of Boston, pretty middle class, pretty standard. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's a town you might just kind of pass by,
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Speaker 1: you know, if you're driving through the Boston area, but
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Speaker 1: you know, it wouldn't really bring a lot of attention. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's my understanding, a very quiet suburb, kind of a
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Speaker 1: bedroom community for Boston. It's a little bit of a commute,
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Speaker 1: but a lot of people looking for, you know, a
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Speaker 1: more sedate and neighborhoodie kind of life, a suburban life,
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Speaker 1: will go to Revere and they drive into the city.
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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall psycho and was joining us. Have you
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Speaker 1: seen that gorgeous photo of her in her wedding dress?
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Speaker 1: She looks like a Barbie dolls those Yeah, it's one
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Speaker 1: of those mermaid dresses. I remember when I was a
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Speaker 1: little talk to Bethany, we would have paper dolls. Okay, wait,
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Speaker 1: we coundnot afford the actual dolls. I had one Barbie
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Speaker 1: doll which I immediately tore the head off. So I
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Speaker 1: had the paper dolls and they would all I didn't
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Speaker 1: know what they would call. Then the mermaid dress that
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Speaker 1: fits tight like straplests or something down to your knees
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Speaker 1: and then it swooshes out that is her wedding dress.
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Speaker 1: And she's got this huge bouquet of white roses interspersed
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Speaker 1: with pale pink. I'm just looking at it, drop pearl
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Speaker 1: earrings in a long hail, beautiful smile. Did you see
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Speaker 1: this photo of her? Dr Bethany You not only that,
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Speaker 1: I saw multiple photos of her, and you know there
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Speaker 1: were there were two categories of photos. One one on
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Speaker 1: there were a couple with her arms around her husband,
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Speaker 1: and the others were selfies. And in each selfie she
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Speaker 1: looked so beautiful. Um she she looked happy. It's like
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Speaker 1: she wanted to memorialize where she was. You know, You're right.
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Speaker 1: In every photo she and her husband look so in love.
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Speaker 1: And what I'm getting at is is the perfect life
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Speaker 1: They've got. This beautiful child, beautiful home, beautiful everything, a
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Speaker 1: dream job working at William P. Connery Elementary School. She
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Speaker 1: had been working there for five years. The school community
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Speaker 1: is devastated over her death. They gave a statement, Uh,
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Speaker 1: it's from Dr Mary Deal. Vanessa taught at Connery for
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Speaker 1: five years and was in our district seven years. She
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Speaker 1: was talented, dedicated, a passionate educator, loyal kind, a compassionate
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Speaker 1: friend and colleague. Our school community is heartbroken. She was
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Speaker 1: loved by students, parents and colleagues, and involved in every
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Speaker 1: aspect of the school. A great friend to everyone. She
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Speaker 1: just seems so beloved. So Ed Payne joining us Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories investigative reporter Dr Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, and Karen Smith
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Speaker 1: forensics expert. Karen what evidence will they be looking for?
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Speaker 1: What do you know about? What if anything they found
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Speaker 1: at the scene. At first, they weren't saying who may
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Speaker 1: have done this? An intruder? They weren't sure, so they
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Speaker 1: did a thorough investigation, and unfortunately they found that she
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Speaker 1: had suffered from a number of different traumas and that
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Speaker 1: just led them down a rabbit hole about who may
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Speaker 1: have perpetrated this crime. It's it's a secure, quaint town,
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Speaker 1: and the police and investigators were left with their head
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Speaker 1: scratching for for quite some time. For those of you
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Speaker 1: just joining us, a second grade teacher, gorgeous brunette with
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Speaker 1: the world in front of her, and a little child
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Speaker 1: found dead in her own home. The State's Office of
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Speaker 1: the Chief a Medical Examiner has made preliminary findings that
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Speaker 1: she suffered blunt force injury to the head, sharp force
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Speaker 1: injuries to the neck, and asphyxiation. Quote. Evidence suggests the
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Speaker 1: killer made concerted efforts to clean up the scene and
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Speaker 1: dispose of related items right there. Karen Smith, forensics expert,
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Speaker 1: random killers do not clean up the scene as a
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Speaker 1: general rule, explain, No, they don't. And Nancy, we've been
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Speaker 1: here before. We've done experiments, and we've shown how difficult
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Speaker 1: it is to clean up a crime scene, especially one
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Speaker 1: as heinous as this. We're talking about blunt force trauma
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Speaker 1: of blood letting injury, uh, stab wounds, more blood letting injuries,
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Speaker 1: and then and then she was strangled. This is going
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Speaker 1: to be a massive crime scene. There's going to be
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Speaker 1: massive amounts of clean up. And as you and I
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Speaker 1: have seen in the past, cleaning up something like that
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Speaker 1: superficially maybe possible, but there's always going to be traces left.
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Speaker 1: And I guarantee you the police went in there with
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Speaker 1: their light sources and their chemical reagents and they found
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Speaker 1: every single thing that they needed. Okay, remind me, Jackie
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Speaker 1: to come back to that light sources and all of
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Speaker 1: the tricks of the trade in crime scene analysis. I
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Speaker 1: want to go back to something that you just said
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Speaker 1: that she was blood and dead, she was asphyxiated, she
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Speaker 1: was apparently punctured. Dr Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst. She's murdered three
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Speaker 1: times over. That's right. I was listening to Karen and
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Speaker 1: I was thinking strangled, blood, forced, trauma to the head, stabbed.
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Speaker 1: One of the reports I read said that she was
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Speaker 1: stabbed in the head, which is hard for me to imagine. Um,
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Speaker 1: this kind of overkill suggests that whoever did this was
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Speaker 1: enraged at her. This wasn't just somebody who wanted her
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Speaker 1: dead for some hold callous, calculated reason. That perhaps this
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Speaker 1: is somebody who had a relationship with her and went
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Speaker 1: into a fit of rage over something, that that perhaps
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Speaker 1: this was even an intimate homicide. You know what's interesting,
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Speaker 1: I want to backtrack Karen Smith with me, forensics expert
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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall ed pain investigative reporter, Karen Smith. You
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Speaker 1: alluded to experiments you and I have done together, forensics experiments.
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Speaker 1: One of them was patterned after the brutal murder of
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Speaker 1: a mother by allegedly by her son, And the only
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Speaker 1: real trace that that to me was probative approved something
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Speaker 1: was the fact that the mother's blood the mother's bludge
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Speaker 1: and dead out in the garage. Okay, a weapon was
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Speaker 1: never found, but it looked to be something like the
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Speaker 1: two by four ups dares in the guest bathroom. The
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Speaker 1: mom's blood is found in the bathroom drain or on
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Speaker 1: the faucet, which said to me the killer felt at
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Speaker 1: ease staying in the home and having a little bubble
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Speaker 1: bath after the murder. Okay, that's not random. That's my point,
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Speaker 1: Karen Smith, when I asked you, why is this not random? Random?
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Speaker 1: Killers don't wait around for a cleanup or a cover up.
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Speaker 1: They hit it and quit it. They're gone. They get
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Speaker 1: what they're coming after. Whether they're junkie looking for money,
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Speaker 1: whether it's a sex attack, whether it's a burglary for
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Speaker 1: a DVD player or money or whatever they're trying to get,
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Speaker 1: they get it. They kill if somebody gets in their
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Speaker 1: way and they leave, they're not about. Oh, let me
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Speaker 1: mop the kitchen floor, let me do a couple of
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Speaker 1: loads of laundry, Scott Peterson before I leave. Let's just
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Speaker 1: clean up and make everything fresh and tidy and lemon scented.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, that's not how a ran them killing goes down,
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Speaker 1: all right? At the most they'll put somebody in a
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Speaker 1: shallow grave or put leaves or trash on top of them.
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Speaker 1: Uh no, probably not even that. When you find a
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Speaker 1: body out in the open or dead in the garage,
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Speaker 1: left where the person was killed, left at the point
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Speaker 1: of contact, where the pocket but was grabbed, where the
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Speaker 1: car was jet that's random. Going in and doing a
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Speaker 1: cleanup is not random. If you look at the method
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Speaker 1: and assessment of homicide, it's very clear this is not random.
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Speaker 1: Add Paine, investigative reporter. What do we know about the child? Well, answer,
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Speaker 1: we don't know a whole lot about the child. It's
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Speaker 1: a one year old daughter. Other than that, because we're
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Speaker 1: dealing with the minor here, police haven't released a whole
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Speaker 1: lot of details. By the way, they've been married two years.
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Speaker 1: They got married in the summer two years ago, so
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Speaker 1: this child was born one year after their marriage. So
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Speaker 1: it's anymoon baby. Let's just put it like that, Alan Duke,
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Speaker 1: you know, but they were they've been married two years
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Speaker 1: and the babies is one, so they were married for
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Speaker 1: you know, three months or so before she got pregnant.
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Speaker 1: If that's where you're going always in the gutter, let
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Speaker 1: me drag you out of the gutter. Allan, Hey, this
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Speaker 1: is another thing I learned during our investigation of the case.
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Speaker 1: The home was kind of new, at least new to them.
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Speaker 1: They had recently purchased the home, and she had posted
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Speaker 1: Vanessa McCormick could posted quote moving on to the next
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Speaker 1: chapter in our lives. I love this man more than anything,
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Speaker 1: and I am so happy we're finally homeowners. And with
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Speaker 1: that Alan Vanessa posts a photo of her husband when
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Speaker 1: she's in practically every photo she posts, and they look
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Speaker 1: very loving. Post a photo of him carrying her over
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Speaker 1: the threshold of the home and they looked very happy.
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Speaker 1: Earlier this week, Vanessa's sister Angela remembered her as a
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Speaker 1: devoted and loving mom. Words could never describe my sister.
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Speaker 1: My sister was the world's best mother. She did everything
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Speaker 1: for her daughter and had so many plans for her.
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Speaker 1: She never missed an opportunity to bring her places to
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Speaker 1: show off the beautiful baby. She's the true definition of
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Speaker 1: a family oriented person. She always help get togethers at
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Speaker 1: her beautiful home that she designed to be like a
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Speaker 1: home on h G t V. And strive to get
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Speaker 1: the family together. You know, Dr Bethany, I want to
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Speaker 1: just analyze that for just one moment. All you ladies listening, men,
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Speaker 1: no offense. But I don't think you think this way,
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Speaker 1: you know, Dr Bethany. I remember when I was prosecuting
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Speaker 1: hardcore felonies. I would be working on weekends, and of
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Speaker 1: course I love it because I knew the defense attorneys
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Speaker 1: were back with their feet up, drinking beer, watching football.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna get you. I would look out
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Speaker 1: the law Library window would think they're out there with
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Speaker 1: their feet up, I'm gonna get them. But I remember
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Speaker 1: if I would be working at home, i'd have the
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Speaker 1: TV on in the background, owned and I would see
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Speaker 1: the Martha Stewart Show, you know, the old one, not
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Speaker 1: the talk show, which was awesome, but the other one
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Speaker 1: where she was in her home and she would be
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Speaker 1: doing all sorts of domestic magic, and I would think, Wow,
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Speaker 1: I would like to do that. I'm gonna do that
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Speaker 1: one day. Of course I never did, because I was
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Speaker 1: prosecuting murders and rapes and john Woods nations. But this
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Speaker 1: woman had a dream, and it reminds me a little
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Speaker 1: bit of Lacey Peterson because I looked in her home
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Speaker 1: there own Covina in modesto and she had it so
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Speaker 1: decorated and also reminds me of Tera Grinstead because her
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Speaker 1: mom took me into their home. This woman, Vanessa says,
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Speaker 1: she wanted the home to look like the home on
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Speaker 1: HGTV if you look at all our pictures and we're
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Speaker 1: on the outside looking in. Bethany, of course, but she
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Speaker 1: was trying so hard to make this beautiful home in
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Speaker 1: this dream world, and it was coming true. Bethany. I'm
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Speaker 1: not faulting her, I'm admiring her. Bethany. Well, you know
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Speaker 1: she was deeply rooted in her life. She loved her husband.
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Speaker 1: In one of the photos, she has her arms around
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Speaker 1: him and her hand on his chest, such a loving gesture,
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Speaker 1: as if she feels sort of safe as constant his arms.
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Speaker 1: As you mentioned earlier, she had the dream job. She
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Speaker 1: loved her home. I mean the fact that he carried
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Speaker 1: her over the threshold when they when they bought the
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Speaker 1: home means that she had so many hopes and dreams.
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Speaker 1: This is a home which she wanted to invite people.
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Speaker 1: That's one of the things her sister mentioned is that
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Speaker 1: she opened up her home to other people. She had
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Speaker 1: a baby that she took everywhere This is a woman
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Speaker 1: who was thinking about not only the present but the future.
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Speaker 1: She had hopes and dreams. And that's what's so sad
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Speaker 1: to me. When I see these photos, I see sort
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Speaker 1: of the look of somebody who's looking forward to the future,
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Speaker 1: and yet I know she's not here anymore. And it's
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Speaker 1: such a there's such a sad and tragic thing. Andrew
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Speaker 1: McCormick being held without bail now after prosecutors say he
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Speaker 1: killed his wife Vanessa inside their home because she said
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Speaker 1: she wanted a divorce. Investigators tell us there were no
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Speaker 1: minds of forced entry, but plenty of signs of a
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Speaker 1: troubled marriage, from drug addiction to talk of divorce. What
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Speaker 1: they believe was emotive for murder. She had both slash
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Speaker 1: Accused killer Andrew McCormick broke into tears as prosecutors told
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Speaker 1: the judge how he bludgeons, stabs, slashed and suffocated his
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Speaker 1: wife Vanessa. Prosecutors say the twenty nine year old killed
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Speaker 1: his wife Vanessa and then tried to cover up that crime.
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Speaker 1: The ad says Vanessa but loves. Second grade teacher in
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Speaker 1: Lynn recently told McCormick she wanted to sell the house
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Speaker 1: and file for a divorce. He told her she was crazy.
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Speaker 1: It would never sign anything. Prosecutors say a cocaine dealer
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Speaker 1: told them Andrew McCormick had a four hundred of five
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Speaker 1: hundred dollar a week drug habit that he bought one
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Speaker 1: hundred dollars worth the day of the murder. Texts from
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Speaker 1: his wife last month say I hate you so much.
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Speaker 1: They believe McCormick killed his wife and then tried to
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Speaker 1: hide the evidence by scrubbing their home with bleach. They
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Speaker 1: were so spotless that the only two footprints on the
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Speaker 1: tile floor were from a police officers shoes when he
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Speaker 1: stepped in there. I want to head back to Vanessa
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Speaker 1: McCormick and what we now are learning. The husband of
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Speaker 1: Vanessa McCormick, the guy that Dr Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst out
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Speaker 1: of l A has been describing in all of these photos,
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Speaker 1: I mean, one after the next after the next, has
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Speaker 1: been charged with murder. I guess, Karen Smith, forensics expert,
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Speaker 1: we should have seen it coming right, Why it sounds
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Speaker 1: like it. First of all, I made a couple of
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Speaker 1: observations with the photographs the husband. First of all, you
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Speaker 1: talked about cleaning up the crime scene, sort of a
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Speaker 1: giveaway as far as I'm concerned forensically as far as
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Speaker 1: you're concerned prosecutorially, But in the photographs he is a
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Speaker 1: very strong, muscular man. He would have had absolutely no
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Speaker 1: problem overpowering Vanessa and doing these injuries to her, as
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Speaker 1: well as the clean up that you've talked about so extensively.
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Speaker 1: He was very big, she was very petite. As you said,
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Speaker 1: she was very beautiful. And it's really disconcerting to me
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Speaker 1: once again that we're dealing with a domestic violence issue
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Speaker 1: where the husband is now charged with her murder, and
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Speaker 1: we don't know if there's been prior calls, we don't
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Speaker 1: know if they've been there before. But I have no
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Speaker 1: doubt that the Massachusetts State Police, a very fine, excellent organization,
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Speaker 1: is going to put every single piece of evidence together
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Speaker 1: and bring the charges against him. That you know, Karen Smith,
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Speaker 1: you earlier referred to the techniques used by c s
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Speaker 1: I crime scene investigators in processing a crime scene, giving
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Speaker 1: an overview and in a nutshell doub me down for me, Karen,
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Speaker 1: don't make it difficult for me to learn. It's They're
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Speaker 1: gonna be dealing with a lot of different things. First
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Speaker 1: of all, if he made quote unquote a concerted effort
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Speaker 1: to clean up the crime scene and dispose of related
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Speaker 1: items Clue number one. Second of all, we're dealing with
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Speaker 1: her body. That's going to be evidence Item number one.
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Speaker 1: Has she been moved? There are some giveaways. Uh, there's
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Speaker 1: something called lividity, and that's the blood that settles after death.
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Speaker 1: If her body has been moved, they're gonna know it
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Speaker 1: because there's going to be different patterns left on her
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Speaker 1: body showing where there are dark purple versus some blanching
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Speaker 1: white areas, And that's one thing they're going to look at. Also,
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Speaker 1: blood flows. We know that blood is very difficult to
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Speaker 1: clean We're going to be looking for blood flows against
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Speaker 1: gravity that might have been left on her body. That
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Speaker 1: will be a giveaway that her body has been moved
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Speaker 1: as well. Any blood that's missing from the scene that's
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Speaker 1: been cleaned up another give I mean, Karen, if I
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Speaker 1: see with for instance, luminal luminol is a technique that
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Speaker 1: blood lights up at looks like infrared. That's what it
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Speaker 1: looks like, you know, like when you're in a fun
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Speaker 1: house and you see glowy psychedelic colors on the wall,
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Speaker 1: and that's what it looks like. If I see one
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Speaker 1: swipe of a mop that shows me one time, even
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Speaker 1: that blood has been mopped up, I can tell you
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Speaker 1: somebody in the house bam is somebody has to clean
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Speaker 1: up the scene. Always go back to Scott Peterson, because
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Speaker 1: that's one in recent history we can think of. Why
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Speaker 1: in the world do you suddenly start mopping and cleaning
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Speaker 1: and doing laundry. Why when you've never done it in
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Speaker 1: your life. If I see one darn sweep of the
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Speaker 1: mop with luminol, I'm arresting somebody close to that victim.
20:48
Speaker 1: Luminol is one technique used by c S. I in
20:52
Speaker 1: a nutshell, Karen, how does luminol work. Luminol is it's
20:56
Speaker 1: what's called a chema luminescent reagent, and what it does
20:59
Speaker 1: is it reacts with the iron that's in our blood
21:02
Speaker 1: and it creates, like you said, sort of a greenish
21:05
Speaker 1: blue glow. And when we see that in a presumed
21:10
Speaker 1: clean up crime scene, which is what we have here,
21:12
Speaker 1: we can spray it in the area where we believe
21:14
Speaker 1: blood was, and those trace amounts are going to give
21:17
Speaker 1: off light. There's no light source that's needed. Everything you
21:20
Speaker 1: see on TV is wrong. They don't need a light
21:22
Speaker 1: source with this and that's photographed, it can show the
21:26
Speaker 1: patterns of I mean, you can do it in broad daylight.
21:28
Speaker 1: You can use luminal in broad daylight. No, you have
21:30
Speaker 1: to have a dark room to use luminal, but you
21:32
Speaker 1: don't need an extra light source out there in order
21:35
Speaker 1: to make it show up. It shows on. I've got
21:37
Speaker 1: a question here in the studio from producer Jackie. She
21:39
Speaker 1: wants to know is there a way to get around luminal?
21:41
Speaker 1: Can you bait luminal? If there's blood blood streaked on
21:45
Speaker 1: the floor of the walls and you use luminal, is
21:47
Speaker 1: there a wife to avoid it showing up? Not really,
21:50
Speaker 1: It's going to show very very minute trace, trace amounts.
21:54
Speaker 1: But here's the kicker. It cross reacts with bleach, So
21:58
Speaker 1: bleach is going to make it glow as well. But
22:01
Speaker 1: trained investigators, which the mass State Police has, are going
22:04
Speaker 1: to know the difference by sight on what is bleach
22:08
Speaker 1: and what is blood. A lot of people think you
22:09
Speaker 1: can destroy DNA with bleach. That's that's not necessarily true.
22:13
Speaker 1: DNA can survive going through the washer. It can survive
22:17
Speaker 1: bleach in many cases. Now possibly um meriadic acid can
22:23
Speaker 1: destroy DNA, but it's tough to destroy DNA, But what
22:27
Speaker 1: were you about to say about the luminoal. Yeah, it
22:29
Speaker 1: can destroy a lot of the larger alleles of DNA.
22:31
Speaker 1: But what I was gonna say is, once they see
22:33
Speaker 1: that glow and they believe that that is blood, they
22:36
Speaker 1: can use other presumptive tests phenal thaline, they can use
22:41
Speaker 1: um lucamelakhite, green. And what they'll do is they'll swab
22:44
Speaker 1: that area and if they get a positive reaction with
22:46
Speaker 1: those other tests, boy, that's enough to send that to
22:48
Speaker 1: the lab, come back with some DNA and match that
22:51
Speaker 1: to the victim. And that's the end of that, right guys,
22:55
Speaker 1: We are reporting now the husband has been apprehended. Andrew McCormick,
23:00
Speaker 1: twenty nine, has been apprehended in the murder of his
23:04
Speaker 1: beautiful wife, the mother of his child, and Ssa McCormick. Again.
23:07
Speaker 1: She has found unresponsive in the couple's Revere home with
23:11
Speaker 1: multiple signs of trauma to her body. And interesting to
23:16
Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall, he's the one that places the nine
23:19
Speaker 1: one one call. Isn't that always the case, Nancy? These
23:23
Speaker 1: perpetrators always call mine one one and they cry, they scream,
23:28
Speaker 1: they cry, big crocodile tears, as if they're not transparent,
23:32
Speaker 1: as if those tapes will not be played at some point,
23:35
Speaker 1: as if there will not be a lot of behavioral
23:38
Speaker 1: clues in the way that they placed the nine one
23:40
Speaker 1: one call. But you know, I want to go back
23:42
Speaker 1: to the blunt force trauma, the strangling, you know, the overkill.
23:46
Speaker 1: What we often see in domestic homicide is that there's
23:49
Speaker 1: been let's say, a life insurance policy has been taken out,
23:52
Speaker 1: or that that the the husband is having an affair,
23:56
Speaker 1: or there there's some type of motivation for the homicide.
23:59
Speaker 1: But in this case, given that there's such an overkill aspect,
24:03
Speaker 1: it makes me wonder if if he's the sort of
24:06
Speaker 1: guy who's pathologically jealous, pathologically insecure, if she did something
24:11
Speaker 1: very small or benign, like, you know, talk to another guy,
24:15
Speaker 1: or maybe stayed out too late, and he had a
24:18
Speaker 1: problem with self regulation, he could not regulate his rage,
24:21
Speaker 1: and then he went into overkill mode. And um, so,
24:24
Speaker 1: as as we followed the story, would be interesting to
24:26
Speaker 1: hear what other family members say, what kind of a
24:29
Speaker 1: mood and personality he had, and also, as you mentioned earlier,
24:32
Speaker 1: were their prior domestics. I wouldn't be surprised to learn
24:36
Speaker 1: that this wasn't the first domestic violent situation that they
24:39
Speaker 1: had been in. Guys, the husband has now been arrested
24:42
Speaker 1: and we're learning so much more. We're learning that there
24:46
Speaker 1: was recovery of footage from a private surveillance system as
24:51
Speaker 1: well as public safety cameras. What does that mean public
24:54
Speaker 1: safety cameras? Was he out getting rid of evidence in
24:58
Speaker 1: a public dump because we know and that's related to
25:02
Speaker 1: this murder was disposed of. Um. We also know that
25:06
Speaker 1: not only did he call police, he's the one that
25:08
Speaker 1: apparently finds the body, but we know that computers, laptops,
25:14
Speaker 1: cell phones were searched. What would that be about Dr Marshall, Well,
25:20
Speaker 1: I would wonder about a couple of things. Remember with
25:23
Speaker 1: Casey Anthony that she U researched neck breaking, strangulation, suffocation,
25:29
Speaker 1: all these kinds of things before um her her baby
25:32
Speaker 1: went missing. So, UM, I wouldn't be surprised if the
25:35
Speaker 1: police are looking to see, you know what kind of
25:38
Speaker 1: searches he made prior to this domestic incident. Um. Sometimes
25:42
Speaker 1: when there's a domestic homicide, the perpetrator searches for a
25:47
Speaker 1: dump site for the body. It doesn't appear that he
25:49
Speaker 1: thought he had in this case, but that might be
25:51
Speaker 1: something that they would would be looking for. Also if
25:53
Speaker 1: he was having a relationship with another woman. Not that
25:56
Speaker 1: that really matters if he's the perpetrator. But what what
25:59
Speaker 1: would matter is um putting putting together the motivation for
26:03
Speaker 1: this crime. You know another thing? Do you remember? And
26:06
Speaker 1: I just used this because it's so textbook, but you
26:08
Speaker 1: could point to any number of defendants. But remember how
26:11
Speaker 1: Scott Peterson tried to work up a tear during one
26:14
Speaker 1: of the interviews. He gave, well the husband, isn't this true?
26:18
Speaker 1: Alan that Andrew McCormick was spotted by CBS Boston cameras
26:23
Speaker 1: going back to the house to pick up a baby
26:25
Speaker 1: chair for the baby daughter and some other items. He
26:29
Speaker 1: left without saying anything to the cameras, but just managed
26:32
Speaker 1: to break down and start crying at the scene while
26:35
Speaker 1: the cameras were rolling boo while the crime scene investigation
26:39
Speaker 1: tape was still up. They allowed him into the house,
26:41
Speaker 1: apparently to fetch this clean some more blood, to fetch
26:45
Speaker 1: his his kids Disney chair, you know those little chairs
26:48
Speaker 1: that kids feel so comfortable in, and he was carrying
26:51
Speaker 1: it back. It was kind of a an interesting scene.
26:54
Speaker 1: By the way, did you see where what he studied
26:57
Speaker 1: in college? Shoe ahead, you drop it? Okay, although now
27:00
Speaker 1: he's been working as what they call a drywall taper.
27:03
Speaker 1: That's like he installs drywall and he's a union member.
27:06
Speaker 1: He studied criminal justice at the University of Massachusetts, Boston
27:10
Speaker 1: and after that worked as a security supervisor for a
27:13
Speaker 1: private security firm. Okay. Dgr Bethany Marshall and Karen Smith
27:17
Speaker 1: with me alone with ed paying investigative reporter. Dr. Bethany Marshall.
27:22
Speaker 1: A background in criminal justice working in security. What does
27:26
Speaker 1: that say to you? What did he think you can
27:28
Speaker 1: clean up the crime scene and him at the perfect crime? Well,
27:31
Speaker 1: you know, there's robust research that suggests that sociopaths gravitate
27:36
Speaker 1: towards jobs in law enforcement. It's so fascinating, and I
27:39
Speaker 1: think the reason for that is that they love to
27:42
Speaker 1: relate to others on the basis of power, and so
27:45
Speaker 1: they see being a law enforcement officer is a very
27:47
Speaker 1: powerful position in society. So that that's one thing. The
27:51
Speaker 1: other is that if he studied criminal justice, sort of
27:54
Speaker 1: the idea of like homicide and crime, and you know,
27:57
Speaker 1: the criminal mindset might have been very into resting to him,
28:00
Speaker 1: which would suggest to me that he already was sort
28:04
Speaker 1: of premeditating on some level a criminal act or a
28:07
Speaker 1: violent act, even maybe before meeting his wife, that he
28:10
Speaker 1: might have been in love with the idea of criminal activity.
28:13
Speaker 1: You know, Karen Smith, forensics expert. We're all on one
28:17
Speaker 1: side of the law, and it's always disheartening when you
28:22
Speaker 1: see someone on as I say, our side of the law,
28:25
Speaker 1: which I believe is the right side of the law,
28:27
Speaker 1: going to the dark side. But it happens. And those people, cops, investigators,
28:34
Speaker 1: people in security, people with criminal justice degrees like you,
28:38
Speaker 1: um can make some of the best criminals. Why Karen,
28:42
Speaker 1: they can. But obviously UM and at this time, no,
28:46
Speaker 1: he did not pay attention in crime scene class because
28:48
Speaker 1: if he had, he would have known that what he
28:50
Speaker 1: was attempting was the impossible, knowing who he would be
28:53
Speaker 1: up against. It's true, Unfortunately, there are there are people
28:57
Speaker 1: in in our profession that do decide to try to
29:00
Speaker 1: commit these heinous crimes. And perhaps you know, I'm not
29:04
Speaker 1: the psychoanalyst, but it is an arrogance. It is the power.
29:08
Speaker 1: But I mean, what are you learning criminal justice? You
29:11
Speaker 1: learn basically that you cannot commit the perfect crime. That's
29:15
Speaker 1: that's crime scene one oh one, that's law enforcement one
29:17
Speaker 1: oh one. There is no perfect crime. There are crimes
29:20
Speaker 1: that are unsolved just because the evidence hasn't been found yet.
29:23
Speaker 1: In this case, not only did he call nine one one,
29:26
Speaker 1: he tried to clean up the crime scene and he
29:29
Speaker 1: apparently ditched the evidence. So who else did he think
29:33
Speaker 1: that we're going to come after? I mean, I'm looking
29:35
Speaker 1: at a picture right now, a snap Dr Bethany Dr
29:39
Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst out of l A. And uh, it
29:44
Speaker 1: makes me sick to my stomach. And I felt this
29:47
Speaker 1: a lot of times in court when I'd be prosecuting
29:50
Speaker 1: a domestic homicide and instead of it coming out of
29:55
Speaker 1: me vomiting in a trash can in front of the jury,
29:57
Speaker 1: it came out it just plain. Oh mean, now, I
30:00
Speaker 1: mean crazy, mean in court, I'm looking at a picture
30:04
Speaker 1: right now of this mm hmm. I don't even know
30:08
Speaker 1: what to call him. Monster. He's huge, he's all buffed out.
30:12
Speaker 1: I'm telling you something. The other day, I was at
30:14
Speaker 1: the John David my son one of his soccer games,
30:17
Speaker 1: and I looked at a guy there who was coaching
30:19
Speaker 1: for one of the other teams. He's all buffed out.
30:21
Speaker 1: I mean, like massive muscles and chess. I'm like David Lynch.
30:26
Speaker 1: I looked at my husband said, if you get buffed
30:28
Speaker 1: out like that, you know what I'm telling on you.
30:32
Speaker 1: I'm going straight to divorce court because you need to
30:34
Speaker 1: be either at work or with these children. You do
30:37
Speaker 1: not need to be pumping iron in the gym. Okay,
30:41
Speaker 1: you need to be at work like me. Okay, if
30:42
Speaker 1: I'm working, we're all working. And I'm looking at this guy.
30:45
Speaker 1: He's totally buffed out to the point that Jackie, come,
30:48
Speaker 1: look at this over my shoulder. His he can't even
30:51
Speaker 1: get his bicep into his shirt and it's a short
30:55
Speaker 1: sleeved shirt. Uh look look at that. Do you see
30:58
Speaker 1: that Jackie can't even get and he's kissing her. She's
31:01
Speaker 1: smiling at the camera. He looks like he's about the
31:04
Speaker 1: bit or minor face off now that I think about yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh.
31:08
Speaker 1: Jackie just said it makes her wonder about steroids. That's
31:10
Speaker 1: a good point. But I look at this a great point,
31:13
Speaker 1: and it's such a dichotomy. Dr Bethany, I mean this
31:17
Speaker 1: photo I believe is after the baby is born and
31:21
Speaker 1: they look so in love. I don't get it. It
31:25
Speaker 1: doesn't he have a skull on the face of his sweatshirt.
31:27
Speaker 1: And one of those UM photos too, you know, one
31:30
Speaker 1: he can hardly get the bicep through the shirt sleeve.
31:33
Speaker 1: But one of them he has a skull um on
31:35
Speaker 1: the front of his sweatshirt. And I just think that's
31:37
Speaker 1: a such a eerie photo. But you know when you
31:40
Speaker 1: see him all buffed out and muscular. UM. I think
31:44
Speaker 1: about the motivations behind domestic combicide. Why it's always the
31:48
Speaker 1: husband UM, or the wife for the parent, or somebody
31:52
Speaker 1: in intimate relationship with the victim. And that's because it's
31:56
Speaker 1: in the context of intimate relationships that all the homicidal
31:59
Speaker 1: feeling occur, like envy, jealousy, resentment, um, betrayal. And so
32:08
Speaker 1: I see, I keep wondering, you know, what was going
32:11
Speaker 1: on inside that house. Did she have a relationship with
32:14
Speaker 1: a guy who was maybe just a friend and he
32:17
Speaker 1: was boiling over with rage or jealousy? Um? Was she
32:20
Speaker 1: a beautiful free spirit in the world and he couldn't
32:23
Speaker 1: take it. Everything was upsetting him. This is probably a
32:27
Speaker 1: very unstable person for whom very small, benign events in
32:33
Speaker 1: both of their lives kicked him over constantly. So I
32:36
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised to learn that there was a lot
32:38
Speaker 1: of arguing tension and maybe an ongoing domestic violence situation
32:43
Speaker 1: in that home. Karen Smith, you want in on steroids. Yes,
32:46
Speaker 1: we're talking about the criminal justice aspect, and a lot
32:48
Speaker 1: of police officers, male police officers, some females do work
32:52
Speaker 1: out quite often, and there's a reason for that. You know,
32:55
Speaker 1: we're dealing with the criminal element. You have to be
32:57
Speaker 1: stronger than they are. You have to be able to
32:59
Speaker 1: hand all yourself in very dangerous situations. But a lot
33:02
Speaker 1: of times officers and people in the field go overboard
33:07
Speaker 1: and they do take steroids in order to appear bigger,
33:10
Speaker 1: to appear more intimidating, to maybe fend off the fact
33:13
Speaker 1: that somebody wants to fight them in the first place.
33:15
Speaker 1: So when you mentioned steroids, um, I know it affects
33:19
Speaker 1: the way that you behave as well, but it is
33:21
Speaker 1: pretty rampant in the criminal justice arena. This is what
33:24
Speaker 1: I know. This beautiful young mom, Vanessa McCormick is dead.
33:29
Speaker 1: She was killed three ways, three times over. I want justice.
33:36
Speaker 1: The a DA says McCormick left the murder scene with
33:38
Speaker 1: the couple's one year old daughter to go by cocaine
33:41
Speaker 1: and then later called nine one one in the day after.
33:43
Speaker 1: He said he found his wife dead. He didn't try
33:46
Speaker 1: to revive Vanessa or even turn her over. She was
33:49
Speaker 1: faced down on the bedroom floor. He said. He simply
33:51
Speaker 1: checked her neck for a pulse and she was cold.
33:53
Speaker 1: She had both slash and sab wounds on her neck.
33:56
Speaker 1: She had signs of both manual strangulation and as suffocation,
34:01
Speaker 1: the latter possibly from a trash bag that appeared to
34:05
Speaker 1: have been put on her head at some point. When
34:07
Speaker 1: the police got there, the place smelled very strongly of bleach.
34:10
Speaker 1: The bathroom across the hall had been scrubbed spotless. They
34:13
Speaker 1: were so spotless that the only two footprints on the
34:16
Speaker 1: tile floor were from a police officer's shoes when he
34:18
Speaker 1: stepped in there. He's been crying since he was arrested.
34:22
Speaker 1: His defense attorney called the case circumstantial, urging the public
34:26
Speaker 1: to reserve judgment. He has adamily denied that he committed
34:30
Speaker 1: this crime. McCormick's attorney says police have the wrong man.
34:33
Speaker 1: Pointing out the couple never had any issues with violence.
34:36
Speaker 1: The defense attorney says McCormick did have a prior domestic
34:39
Speaker 1: issue in a previous relationship, but that case was dismissed.
34:42
Speaker 1: He was not convicted of anything. He has no record.
34:44
Speaker 1: McCormick's attorney also made the argument that his client would
34:47
Speaker 1: have no reason to bleach the home. His DNA and
34:50
Speaker 1: his pens are gonna be all over the house, so
34:52
Speaker 1: why would he be bleaching the house. I think it's
34:54
Speaker 1: a lot more likely than an assailant from outside the
34:56
Speaker 1: home bleached the house, and I he did it. And
34:58
Speaker 1: now to Florida where a fifty eight year old mom
35:02
Speaker 1: allegedly has how can I say this sex relations with
35:08
Speaker 1: her daughter's husband. Repeat, a Florida fifty eight year old
35:15
Speaker 1: mother has relations with her daughter's husband, age thirty three,
35:21
Speaker 1: and then allegedly tries to run him over in her
35:26
Speaker 1: Mercedes after he reveals the affair. Okay, just Alan, did
35:31
Speaker 1: I get that straight? And my understanding this fact scenario
35:35
Speaker 1: before I proceed one inch further. That's that's one reason
35:39
Speaker 1: we're talking about it is it's so bizarble. Okay. Number one,
35:43
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to even think of my children
35:46
Speaker 1: having relations with anybody else. Okay, I want to think
35:48
Speaker 1: about that much less trying to ensnare that love object
35:52
Speaker 1: into my own web of passion. I really don't know
35:55
Speaker 1: how else to explain it, but this is what we
35:57
Speaker 1: know right now. Kathleen Davis, fifty eight years old, allegedly
36:00
Speaker 1: has a sex affair with her daughter's thirty three year
36:03
Speaker 1: old husband. The husband, Michael Skiera, exposes their indiscretion to
36:11
Speaker 1: the daughter. You know right there. I remember when Dear
36:15
Speaker 1: Abbey used to be in the newspaper. Then make and telegraph. Okay,
36:19
Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marsha will probably disagree with Abby, And if
36:21
Speaker 1: you do, just don't even say it, all right, because
36:24
Speaker 1: I want to still be your friend. Dr Bethany, don't
36:26
Speaker 1: mess with Dear Abbey, God rest her soul. So people
36:30
Speaker 1: were always writing into Dear Abbey going Should I tell
36:34
Speaker 1: my spouse my husband that I had an affair ten
36:37
Speaker 1: years ago? Uh? No, No, I can't tell you that, don't.
36:42
Speaker 1: I mean, why would you make yourself feel better by
36:46
Speaker 1: purging and make your spouse feel like do? Do Do? No? Oh, Nancy,
36:50
Speaker 1: I guess I get this question in my office all
36:52
Speaker 1: the time. A patient your guilt, right, I always say
36:56
Speaker 1: to the patients, well, if you tell the spouse you'll
36:59
Speaker 1: feel better. Then they'll have to live with it for
37:01
Speaker 1: the rest of their life. So they can't talk to
37:03
Speaker 1: a Bothy. I'm very proud of you, no psycho babble
37:07
Speaker 1: mumbo jumbo and disagreeing with dear Abbey okay, because that
37:10
Speaker 1: would be crossing the line for me. So I would
37:13
Speaker 1: read dear Abbey as even as a girl. They make
37:15
Speaker 1: and telegraph and uh here. For some reason, the son
37:20
Speaker 1: felt he had to aload to his wife okay, had
37:23
Speaker 1: to tell her well, of course they're is strange now.
37:28
Speaker 1: But Michael also told police he had a sex relationship
37:32
Speaker 1: with his mother in law before the relationship with his
37:36
Speaker 1: wife ended. Then there was an incident just a couple
37:40
Speaker 1: of days ago, and angry mother in law throws eggs
37:45
Speaker 1: at his house and at his car. Okay, Now, I'm
37:49
Speaker 1: not talking about Justin Bieber here, or as I like
37:51
Speaker 1: to infuriate my twins by saying Justin Beaver, it's baber,
37:55
Speaker 1: mom um. I love that. It's like on que every
38:00
Speaker 1: time I says Beaver, Okay, sometimes I say Taylor Swift's
38:05
Speaker 1: so that draws him over the edge. But back to this,
38:07
Speaker 1: so she goes in eggs his home and his car.
38:11
Speaker 1: This is a fifty eight year old woman. And then,
38:15
Speaker 1: according to police, she runs him over, trying to kill
38:20
Speaker 1: him by running him over with the Mercedes and paying
38:23
Speaker 1: crime stories investigative reporter, Please tell me I've got the
38:26
Speaker 1: facts wrong. Well, we know when police got there that
38:29
Speaker 1: you know, this black Mercedes that she was driving was
38:32
Speaker 1: doing like donuts all over the front yard and she
38:35
Speaker 1: was chasing him around. It's not funny, Jackie, quit laughing. Okay,
38:40
Speaker 1: go ahead. I guess it says something about her that
38:42
Speaker 1: she pulled out her two door Mercedes to track down
38:46
Speaker 1: her former lover. That you mean her son in law
38:50
Speaker 1: with her lover slash son in law. If you're going
38:54
Speaker 1: to run over somebody who buys, will do it in style. Yeah,
38:56
Speaker 1: with the doughnuts. So and enraged Davis was seen by police,
39:01
Speaker 1: seeing by responding police chasing Michael with her Mercedes on
39:06
Speaker 1: his front lawn while he tried to dodge the oncoming Mercedes.
39:10
Speaker 1: You and Mercedes is a hunt. It is a ton
39:14
Speaker 1: of metal. So this is what we know. There has
39:18
Speaker 1: been and I remember covering it. The first death of
39:20
Speaker 1: by Mercedes when a dentist wife ran him down in
39:24
Speaker 1: the parking lot. He was nothing but a speed bomp
39:27
Speaker 1: and they had two little boys left daddy's dad and
39:31
Speaker 1: mommy's in jail. Great, that's one of the reasons Dr Bethany,
39:36
Speaker 1: as you've advised me, uh not to kill David because
39:40
Speaker 1: the twins will be left with who what, Who's gonna
39:42
Speaker 1: take care of them? Alan Duke, I mean, what am
39:45
Speaker 1: I gonna do? So that's why I hold back. You know,
39:49
Speaker 1: I put that knife back in the drawer every night
39:51
Speaker 1: after dinner. But here the mother in law tries to
39:54
Speaker 1: kill the son in law. Dr Bethany, we need a
39:58
Speaker 1: shrink desperately here. By the way, with a Dennis's wife,
40:01
Speaker 1: not only did she run over her husband, then she
40:03
Speaker 1: she went back and forth over him multiple times. So
40:06
Speaker 1: it was really an overkilled situation. And I would say
40:10
Speaker 1: in this case, I just this just screams a borderline
40:14
Speaker 1: personality disorder to me. You know, borderline women with borderline personality.
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Speaker 1: Can we just start with the eggs? Can we start
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Speaker 1: with the throwing the eggs? A fifty eight year old
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Speaker 1: woman throwing eggs at a car and a house. Well,
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Speaker 1: first of all, what about the fact that this son
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Speaker 1: inten The son in law intentionally destroys the mother daughter
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Speaker 1: relationship by a sleeping with the mother in law. It's
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Speaker 1: not like she was the only one involved in that.
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Speaker 1: He was there too, and then telling the daughter by
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Speaker 1: couldn't he keep his yap shut to shut his bi hole? Well,
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Speaker 1: poor judgment, right, But on the mother's part, I kept
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Speaker 1: thinking about the role of envy, having envy towards her daughter,
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Speaker 1: the daughter's young Did you see the photos? The daughter
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Speaker 1: is gorgeous, she looks happy, and when people are envy.
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Speaker 1: This is so shocking. I almost don't even know what
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Speaker 1: to say, other than the fact that when people are envious,
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Speaker 1: they usually want to destroy the object of their envy.
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Speaker 1: Envy is a feeling that if you have something good
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Speaker 1: and I don't have it, I want to destroy what
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Speaker 1: you have. So I think this is a mother who's
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Speaker 1: envious towards her daughter for having a marriage, home, babies,
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Speaker 1: the life, and so what better way to destroy the
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Speaker 1: object of her envy than to sleep with with the
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Speaker 1: daughter's husband. That's what she did. And then the husband
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Speaker 1: maybe be interesting as a story unfolds to know more
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Speaker 1: about this, But the husband stupidly thinks that if he
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Speaker 1: tells his wife that somehow the situation will be better. Well,
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Speaker 1: it's not. It gets worse. And then the mother in
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Speaker 1: law not only is she envious, but she's massively immature.
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Speaker 1: I mean, throwing eggs at the house. That's what teenagers do.
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Speaker 1: That's not what a grown, mature woman does. So somehow
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Speaker 1: she thinks that if she eggs the house, a situation
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Speaker 1: will be better. I mean, this is a really a
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Speaker 1: very disturbed mother. Now I'm looking at a photo right now,
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Speaker 1: Karen Smith, forensics expert of the mom, the mother. You
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Speaker 1: see Kathleen, the mother putting a necklace on her daughter
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Speaker 1: on her wedding day with the bridesmaids in the background.
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Speaker 1: I mean, and they're also gorgeous. They're all dressed up
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Speaker 1: in these beautiful outfits. Here we go with the marmaid
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Speaker 1: dress again. I mean, it looks like a Barbie doll.
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Speaker 1: I mean, how can they go so wrong? Karen Smith?
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Speaker 1: And there's really no way out forensically, Karen, because the
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Speaker 1: cops drive up and they see her running the guy down.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely they I cannot imagine pulling up in my patrol
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Speaker 1: car seeing a black Mercedes with a woman driving doing
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Speaker 1: donuts in the front yard and this guy shucking and
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Speaker 1: driving trying to don speaking run over. Um, you talk
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Speaker 1: about probable cause. And in the police report, which was
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Speaker 1: so succinctly written, everything is down there. It even says
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Speaker 1: that after they arrested her and put her in the
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Speaker 1: back seat, she said, yeah, I wanted him dead. So
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Speaker 1: not only do you have a spontaneous utterance, I don't
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Speaker 1: even know if she was read Miranda at that point.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter. Um, the police, Hello, open and
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Speaker 1: closed case, no problem. You know what, I think, it's
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Speaker 1: deeper than what we know. I mean, it is deep enough.
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Speaker 1: You've got the mother in law sleeping with the son
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Speaker 1: in law, the son in law relieving himself of his
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Speaker 1: guilt by telling his wife he and the wife becomes strange,
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Speaker 1: of course, and separate. Then the mother in law comes over,
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Speaker 1: eggs the house and tries to run the husband down
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Speaker 1: with the Mercedes. But that's not all. You go back
43:38
Speaker 1: a couple of months. Listen to what I learned, Dr Bethany.
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Speaker 1: Just a few months before this, police were called to
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Speaker 1: the home because neighbors heard Hannah scream. And this is
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Speaker 1: what Hannah says when the police get there. They were
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Speaker 1: having family dinner with the two children two year old
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Speaker 1: and six year old boys, the father and the mother
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Speaker 1: around the dinner table. The husband, Michael, according to the wife, Hannah,
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Speaker 1: gets extremely agitated by the conversation at dinner where the
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Speaker 1: mom is talking about an achievement she had at work
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Speaker 1: that he quote flipped out on her and everything went
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Speaker 1: haywar wow, go ahead. You know what that tells me
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Speaker 1: is that there was definitely a domestic abuse situation happening
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Speaker 1: in the home because one of the things we see
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Speaker 1: with domestic abuse is jealousy towards the wife's achievements. In fact, um,
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Speaker 1: you know from all the stories we've covered over the years, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that women are at at the greatest risk for domestic
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Speaker 1: combicide when they have a big achievement or they're about
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Speaker 1: to leave the relationship. Like let's say they decide to
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Speaker 1: go to college, or they bring home an award, or
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Speaker 1: or they decide to take a trip with their girlfriends.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they have some accomplishment or achievement in the world,
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Speaker 1: which marks autonomy in the relationship. That usually the husband
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Speaker 1: gets disregulated and then lashes out. So not only do
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Speaker 1: we have the mother in law, who I believe had
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Speaker 1: envy and jealousy towards her daughter and wanted to destroy
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Speaker 1: the marriage. But now now Hannah is married to a
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Speaker 1: man who's also envious and jealous towards her accomplishment and achievements.
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Speaker 1: So she can't catch a break. She has a mother
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Speaker 1: and a husband both who envy her. So talk about
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Speaker 1: patterns repeating this, This is really a good example of that.
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Speaker 1: You know, another thing about this area. It's Jeepiter, Florida.
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Speaker 1: You know, that's where all those millionaires go to live,
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Speaker 1: like Tiger Woods lives there. There's just like millionaire row
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Speaker 1: and exclusive shops and huge mansions, which really shows that
45:41
Speaker 1: you cannot judge a book by their cover because here
45:44
Speaker 1: they are in this home surrounded by palm trees and
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Speaker 1: beautiful grass and lovely estates. Well, this is what's going damn.
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Speaker 1: An affair exposed. A mother in law eggs the home
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Speaker 1: in the car of her son in law her love
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Speaker 1: her after he exposes it to the daughter. You know, uh,
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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany, why would he have told the daughter? Why
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Speaker 1: why would he tell his wife? Even know, we'll never
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Speaker 1: know why, But what I would guess is that he
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Speaker 1: rationalized to himself that he was getting off his chest.
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Speaker 1: But really he told her because he wanted to stick
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Speaker 1: it to her. How about he's just a good old
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Speaker 1: fashioned a hole. What about that? I'm sorry, that's probably
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Speaker 1: not psychoanalytical. The clinical term is douchebag. Nancy, Okay, now,
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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany, My children may one day listen to this.
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Speaker 1: This is why we never ever ever use the Lord's
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Speaker 1: name in vain, and we spell things preferably backwards. Okay.
46:39
Speaker 1: Sadly the children now know how to spell backwards. Okay.
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Speaker 1: So I'm kind of at a loss here. So where
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Speaker 1: does it stand right now? Ed Payne Crime Stories investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: Please tell me I'm wrong. Has this woman actually made
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Speaker 1: bond and she out trapes in around three? Yeah? I'm afraid,
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Speaker 1: Dear Lord in Heaven, everybody batting the hatches. No two
46:58
Speaker 1: days behind bars at the Palm Beach count To jail.
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Speaker 1: I bet that was tough, the Palm Beach County Jail.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Cheesse out right bonds. So that's life from
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Speaker 1: Palm Beach Gardens as we wait to find out what's
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Speaker 1: going to happen next. Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off,
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Speaker 1: word to the wise. A, get a divorce if you
47:18
Speaker 1: want to have an affair, okay. B. Don't pull downuts
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Speaker 1: in the front yard. See don't egg anybody and get
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Speaker 1: caught and day. If you must slip around, don't do
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Speaker 1: it with an in law. And with that I'm signing off.
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