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Speaker 1: Under the Dogs.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, under the Dogs very regular looks funny. You could
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Speaker 2: the original shots the Dogs under the Dogs, under the.
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Speaker 1: Dukes, Yeah, undon the Dogs Under the Dogs.
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Speaker 3: Loose Change from two thousand and five was directed and
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Speaker 3: narrated by Dylan avery Uh And for this one, I
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Speaker 3: specifically watched the second addition HD remaster from twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 3: And I'll talk a little bit about the different versions
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Speaker 3: of this. But why are we talking about Loose Change, Well,
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Speaker 3: because Loose Change was probably the nine to eleven documentary.
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Speaker 3: There were a whole bunch of other ones that had
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Speaker 3: come out around this time, but Loose Change did it
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Speaker 3: the way that no one else was able to. I
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Speaker 3: think it's even better than Alex Jones documentary into the
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Speaker 3: same kind of topic. It takes such a measure measured, methodical,
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Speaker 3: laser focused approach and just dismantles all these different nine
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Speaker 3: to eleven debunking theories, like even before they have a
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Speaker 3: chance to like weasel into your mind, they kind of
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Speaker 3: spell out all the different anomalies behind nine to eleven,
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Speaker 3: the Two Towers, Building seven, Shanksville, the Pentagon, every single
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Speaker 3: bit of nine to eleven. This is the most comprehensive
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Speaker 3: nine to eleven documentary for kind of the Masses, one
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Speaker 3: that you would actually sit down and be able to
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Speaker 3: watch start to end. That is Loose Change. And it
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Speaker 3: be impossible to do a documentary series that starts out
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Speaker 3: talking about conspiracy theories and not include Loose Change in this.
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Speaker 3: So that's why we're talking about it.
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Speaker 4: We are starting with the pillars right, the pillars of
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Speaker 4: the conspiracy community. And you could have start this movie
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Speaker 4: because it filled in all the blanks that you had,
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Speaker 4: because right after nine to eleven, Michael Moore's Fahrenheit nine
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Speaker 4: to eleven came out and it was like, oh, Bush
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Speaker 4: is golfing all the time, he's on vacation and blah
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Speaker 4: blah blah. This actually filled the blanks and went into
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Speaker 4: the reports and the actual news clips and people's first
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Speaker 4: boots on the ground experience from first responders and actual eyewitnesses.
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Speaker 3: In my opinion, Loose Change absolutely bodied Michael Moore. It
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Speaker 3: showed that Michael Moore was all about the glitz and
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Speaker 3: the glamour of the documentary and like the emotional tear
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Speaker 3: jerker crap, and that this was an hour actual documentary
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Speaker 3: about that topic. I didn't talk about Bush playing golf
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Speaker 3: with like silly little Benny Hill music behind the scenes.
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Speaker 3: This one went right into the meat man. This one
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Speaker 3: definitely holds up too.
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Speaker 4: Heavy hitting right away when you started, like you know
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Speaker 4: that there's something not just mismanagement but actually a plot
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Speaker 4: and a scheme to have this operation done.
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Speaker 3: So let's just get right in the plot and the
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Speaker 3: course on this one. Here are the main claims made
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Speaker 3: by this documentary. There are a lot, so I'm going
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Speaker 3: to give the heavy hitters and we can talk about
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Speaker 3: them in a little bit more detail in a second.
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Speaker 3: So the movie starts out talking about Operation Northwoods from
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Speaker 3: nineteen sixty two. It was this planned by the CIA
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Speaker 3: where they were going to stage a commercial airliner being
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Speaker 3: attacked by painting a drone and then remotely detonating it
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Speaker 3: and then using this as a premise to basically start
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Speaker 3: a war in Cuba or just to start some sort
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Speaker 3: of an international conflict. That Operation north Woods nineteen sixty
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Speaker 3: two false flag. Then it talks about how in nineteen
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Speaker 3: eighty four there was a controlled impact demonstration by NASA
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Speaker 3: showing how to intentionally run an airplane directly into the ground.
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Speaker 3: Then it shows a nineteen ninety seven cover from FEMA
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Speaker 3: Emergency Response for this terrorism study, and it specifically shows
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Speaker 3: two twin towers with a big cross eye over one
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Speaker 3: of those towers. Nineteen ninety seven. Okay, nineteen ninety eight,
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Speaker 3: they talk about how Raytheon has this Global Hawk, which
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Speaker 3: is the first unmanned vehicle that does its entire test flight.
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Speaker 3: This is nineteen ninety eight. Nineteen ninety nine, nor ADS
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Speaker 3: starts these drills, specifically about hijacked airliners being flown into
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Speaker 3: the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. This is a
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Speaker 3: ninety nine. Then in the year two thousand, Department of
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Speaker 3: Justice releases a manual that looks very similar to that
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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven FEMA again showing the crosshairs on the
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Speaker 3: World Trade Center. It's kind of showing, Okay, here's just
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Speaker 3: a bunch of historical proof things that you can't scrub
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Speaker 3: because they actually existed in our timeline. Then it talks
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Speaker 3: about in the year two thousand, the Project for New
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Speaker 3: American Century, which is they describe it as a conservative
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Speaker 3: thing tank. They release something a paper called Rebuilding America's
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Speaker 3: Defenses in which it suggests a new Pearl Harbor as
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Speaker 3: being one of the only things that can kind of
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Speaker 3: get America back on track and unified is a quote
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Speaker 3: unquote New Pearl Harbor. Then it shows in again from
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Speaker 3: the year two thousand, something called Project Mascow, which simulates
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Speaker 3: a Boeing seven fifty seven crashing directly into the Pentagon.
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Speaker 3: This was also cited as they didn't go completely through
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Speaker 3: some of these tests because they were too outlandish. It
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Speaker 3: didn't make it wasn't realistic enough to actually do these drills.
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Speaker 3: In two thousand and one, in April this is when
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Speaker 3: that happened, the Pentagon discuss simulating a plane being flown
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Speaker 3: directly in the Pentagon, but it gets dismissed. Finally, right
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Speaker 3: before nine to eleven happens, they issue new guidelines for
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Speaker 3: airline hijacking, stating that the DoD paster request direct intervention
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Speaker 3: from the Secretary of Defense, whereas prior to this they
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Speaker 3: could have acted on their own accord. Then John Ashcroft
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Speaker 3: starts only flying charter jets. He switches from using commercial
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Speaker 3: airlines to only doing private charter jets. Two thousand and one, July,
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Speaker 3: bin Laden goes to an American hospital in Dubai meets
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Speaker 3: with the local chief of the CIA. This was also
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Speaker 3: mentioned in the Zeitgeist movie that we previously talked about.
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Speaker 3: Then they talk about how Larry Silverstein signs this first
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Speaker 3: and only in a lifetime three point five billion dollar
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Speaker 3: terrorism insurance policy, six weeks before the buildings that he
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Speaker 3: ensure actually get to make good on this. It also
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Speaker 3: mentions how three or four days before nine to eleven
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Speaker 3: there was a five x daily options put options put
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Speaker 3: against Boeing. Shortly after eleven times the normal amount of
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Speaker 3: put options get leveraged against American airlines, So they're kind
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Speaker 3: of indicating that lots of previous knowledge in different industries
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Speaker 3: people being warned not to fly. The movie then talks
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Speaker 3: about a program called Vigilant Guardian in which NORAD was
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Speaker 3: doing these exercises. There was another one called Northern Vigilance,
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Speaker 3: which moved all of our fighter jets to Northern Canada
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Speaker 3: and to Alaska, moving them as far away from DC
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Speaker 3: and from Pennsylvania and from New York they possibly could.
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep going, but this is base the movie
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Speaker 3: starting out, it shows you here's some historical examples of
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Speaker 3: false flag operations. Here's examples of the government not only
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Speaker 3: considering this exact scenario but doing all sorts of exercises
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Speaker 3: and putting out pamphlets and everyone knew about this, and
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Speaker 3: then it's going to lead into that showing the exact
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Speaker 3: same clips we saw on Zeitgeist with a bunch of
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Speaker 3: politicians going no one ever could have seen this coming.
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Speaker 3: This is just so out of left field. We never
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Speaker 3: thought this was going to happen.
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Speaker 4: The way that you just presented it is the perfect
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Speaker 4: way to talk about lose change.
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Speaker 5: Is they come with receipts from the beginning to the end.
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Speaker 4: Right away, they're like, hey, look at this timeline of
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Speaker 4: events that has happened that I can prove to you
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Speaker 4: that it happened. That you can go into the archive,
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Speaker 4: the old you know, the archive machine and find this stuff.
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Speaker 4: That's why I think it was good that you did
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Speaker 4: this special second edition where it starts out a little
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Speaker 4: different and heavy hits right away it just goes, hey,
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Speaker 4: this happened, This happened, this happened, slaps slaps you upside
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Speaker 4: your face of where you can look each individual event
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Speaker 4: up and you can find the receipt of this happening
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Speaker 4: or being drafted or an idea that was out there
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Speaker 4: in the public sphere or almost tested or exercises that
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Speaker 4: actually happened.
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Speaker 3: And I love how they bring the receipts first too,
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Speaker 3: because then they start getting into the claims and the
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Speaker 3: witness statements and other people's testimony. But at this point
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Speaker 3: we've got a foundation of facts that you can look up,
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Speaker 3: so as it gets into I guess some of the
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Speaker 3: subjective or at least the witness reports. It talks about
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Speaker 3: an interview where there was someone saying they saw the
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Speaker 3: plane flying in the building, but there were no windows
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Speaker 3: on the side of it, that it was not a
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Speaker 3: normal plane, and it had this weird blue logo on
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Speaker 3: the front. They kind of emphasized that a few times.
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Speaker 3: They talk about how the buildings are being demolished and
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Speaker 3: falling into their own footprints, which is an anomaly for
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Speaker 3: a building just falling on its own accord versus a
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Speaker 3: plan demolition. It talks about the pilots, one of them
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Speaker 3: in particular, this honey Honjur guy that he couldn't speak English,
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Speaker 3: he couldn't land a cessna by all sort of metrics.
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Speaker 3: He was not even mediocre, he was like less than mediocre,
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Speaker 3: but somehow he was this guy that pulled off these
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Speaker 3: incredible maneuvers they talk about.
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Speaker 4: To do that, like the the best pilots in the
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Speaker 4: world couldn't perfect this, but this guy that could not
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Speaker 4: pass his flight training and his simulators were horrible that
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Speaker 4: he got these one in a million shots.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but beginner's luck is a real thing, I guess.
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Speaker 3: It shows a whole bunch of images of known plane crashes,
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Speaker 3: like like non nine to eleven plane crashes, Like here's
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Speaker 3: what a plane crash looks like. In another, and another
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Speaker 3: and another. They just show you a whole bunch of variety,
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Speaker 3: and they note like, Okay, look you can see where
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Speaker 3: it hit. You can see the impact point, you can
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Speaker 3: see chunks of the wing. There's bodies, there's debris, there's
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Speaker 3: all these things. Okay, now let's look at nine to
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Speaker 3: eleven planes where they they just are gone. They just vaporize,
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Speaker 3: they disappear, they disintegrate in mid air, all these anomalies.
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Speaker 3: Then it does the same thing. Here's a building that
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Speaker 3: was on fire for four hours, eight hours. Here's one
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Speaker 3: that was on fire for twenty four hours. The entire
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Speaker 3: building from the bottom floor to the top floor completely
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Speaker 3: engulfed in flames, yet none of them fell down. Then
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Speaker 3: it shows a whole bunch of people talking about cruise
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Speaker 3: missiles and how the cruise missile looked like this thing
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Speaker 3: that got released from the Pentagon footage, and this movie,
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Speaker 3: unlike Zeitgeist, is not afraid to make claims. He just
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Speaker 3: straight up says in loose change, I think it's a
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Speaker 3: cruise missile that hit the Pentagon. That's why we don't
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Speaker 3: see some of this wreckage. I love that part of
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Speaker 3: not mincing words. Here's what they think, here's what they're projecting.
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Speaker 3: Then they start talking about free falls and how a
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Speaker 3: building in free fall is different than one that just
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Speaker 3: falls naturally. They talk about Building seven and the official
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Speaker 3: story being that in a internal fire ignited fuel tanks
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Speaker 3: in the building, and that those fuel tanks helped weaken
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Speaker 3: the structure and then it falls. They make a very
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Speaker 3: interesting claim that Building seven was only the third building
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Speaker 3: in history to fall from fire alone, the first two
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Speaker 3: being the World Trade Centers one and two. Right, So
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Speaker 3: these three buildings not only the first to fall just
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Speaker 3: from fire, but also the first three to fall from
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Speaker 3: fire into their own footprints without being controlled demolitions. Wink wink,
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Speaker 3: So that this is probably like the crescendo of it,
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Speaker 3: making these great points and.
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Speaker 4: With the great points backing it up, not which just receipts,
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Speaker 4: but with scientific data, having engineers and different scientists and
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Speaker 4: people expert in these fields of saying, hey, buildings don't
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Speaker 4: collapse like that, and it was something that you could
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Speaker 4: finally hold on to, like where Zeitguys may miss the
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Speaker 4: point a bit where a quote unquote some of that
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Speaker 4: wouldn't be used to this maybe a norm me or
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Speaker 4: not into conspiracies. You might say some things like oh,
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Speaker 4: the bankers are ruling the world and it doesn't make
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Speaker 4: sense to them. But when you can point out, hey,
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Speaker 4: this specific engineer that builds buildings that can show you
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Speaker 4: proof that this has never happened and now it has,
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Speaker 4: it is something strange.
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Speaker 3: This movie also has a lot of witness and sort
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Speaker 3: of like first hand testimony from people talking about this.
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Speaker 3: One particular is this guy, William Rodriguez, who is a
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Speaker 3: janitor in the World Trade Center, and he talks about
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Speaker 3: being in the building and he hears an explosion in
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Speaker 3: the basement first, and then he hears the plane hit
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Speaker 3: the building at the top of the of the World
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Speaker 3: Trade Center, and he's describing it in that like here,
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Speaker 3: I am in the building, and I can hear something
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Speaker 3: explode under me and feel it explode under me, and
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Speaker 3: then I hear and feel something crash in the top.
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Speaker 3: But then there's all these other explosions in the upper
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Speaker 3: floors that he's feeling and hearing that are separate from
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Speaker 3: the plane making this impact. Then it cuts immediately to
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Speaker 3: firefighters talking about this exact same thing. Even the firefighters
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Speaker 3: are like, man, it was wild. It looked like a
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Speaker 3: controlled demolition. One of them literally goes, we're in there
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Speaker 3: and we just hear boom boom boom boom boom boom boom,
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Speaker 3: and he's kind of gesturing this like controlled demolition aspect as,
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Speaker 3: like these different explosions are all happening in sequence from
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Speaker 3: the top of the building down to the bottom. So
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Speaker 3: this is footage that you don't see sighted as often
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Speaker 3: usually when someone's like nine to eleven is an inside job.
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Speaker 3: It gets into all this ambiguous territory. Here are very
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Speaker 3: specific claims that there were secondary explosives planted in the
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Speaker 3: building and that these people weren't just like it kind
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Speaker 3: of felt like that, it kind of looked like that.
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Speaker 3: They're like, I was in the building and I heard
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Speaker 3: this and I saw it, and I felt it with
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Speaker 3: my own body, which is completely different than a conspiracy theorist.
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Speaker 3: It's like zooming in ten X and like, can you
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Speaker 3: see a squib right there? It kind of looks like
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Speaker 3: dust is poking out of the building, Like these are
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Speaker 3: people that unless this guy, you know, when they were
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Speaker 3: shooting all this footage, they were like, all right, just
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Speaker 3: make up a really great cohesive conspiracy theory that will
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Speaker 3: actually measure out, like it has a very strong sense
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Speaker 3: of authenticity, at least from the people that they're talking to,
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Speaker 3: like the day of this happening.
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Speaker 4: Well, being one person, maybe you can think of it
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Speaker 4: being somebody trying to push the limits. And you got
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Speaker 4: to remember there's no social media, so you're not getting
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Speaker 4: views and clicks and likes.
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Speaker 5: You're just saying what you feel.
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Speaker 4: And when you have multiple accounts of people saying almost
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Speaker 4: the same thing, very similar that it really gets that
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Speaker 4: feel of this, Okay, this is what happened, because it
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Speaker 4: paints a picture of people on the ground there that day,
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Speaker 4: not only feeling and hearing and even talking to other
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Speaker 4: people like I've seen an explosion, I heard this happen,
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Speaker 4: Like you really get the nitty gritty of what happened
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Speaker 4: that day.
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Speaker 3: And speaking of talking to other people, this movie also
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Speaker 3: ends referencing this thing called Project Achilles, in which theyasically
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Speaker 3: were able to prove, according to this movie, that you
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Speaker 3: couldn't make cell phone calls in the air, which a
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Speaker 3: lot of the claims they have got all these recorded
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Speaker 3: calls of people calling up their mother and it's like, Hi, Mom,
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Speaker 3: it's me David Johnson, your son. You know me, David Johnson,
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Speaker 3: your son. Anyways, there's terrorists here, Okay, gotta go by
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Speaker 3: like the weirdest calls with people announcing their names in
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Speaker 3: very specific ways. There's one instance of a lady that's
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Speaker 3: calling family, but there's a lack of any other background noise.
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Speaker 3: There's no one screaming, there's like no one panicking. And
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Speaker 3: they make a very specific claim that cell phones just
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Speaker 3: straight up wouldn't have worked. And I've seen this brought
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Speaker 3: up and debunked time and time again. It's just another
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Speaker 3: one of those small little tidbits, like, oh, I forgot
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Speaker 3: about that. That is one other anomaly about nine to
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Speaker 3: eleven that you hear these claims about people that were
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Speaker 3: able to just put the cell phone out of their
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Speaker 3: pocket and make calls, which normally doesn't work.
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Speaker 4: And you know the reasoning behind not even using hisself
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Speaker 4: when in a plane. A lot of pilots, if you
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Speaker 4: talk to them, they'll say, well, it doesn't really affect
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Speaker 4: any of our equipment. It's just a little annoying because
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Speaker 4: it might go into our headphones, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 4: It's not as detrimental as people make it seem in general.
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Speaker 4: But that's what I think. On this second edition, he
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Speaker 4: came out with the guns of blazing, like he heard
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Speaker 4: the critics, he heard people trying to debunk his stuff,
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Speaker 4: and he was like, I'm going to overanalyze and I'm
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Speaker 4: going to punch you to death.
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Speaker 3: And again, this movie doesn't mince words. He straight up
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Speaker 3: comes and says and my conclusion was that nine to
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Speaker 3: eleven was a psychological attack and a controlled demolition that
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Speaker 3: unequivocally he kind of states that at the end, and again,
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Speaker 3: rewatch it. He makes a really compelling case for why
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Speaker 3: he thinks this. So yeah, there's plot in the course. Again,
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Speaker 3: this is specifically about nine to eleven. It goes so deep.
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Speaker 3: This is the money Masters of nine to eleven.
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Speaker 4: Definitely, Man, it goes so thorough and again you can
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Speaker 4: go back and research any of the information he's giving
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Speaker 4: you and you will see it.
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Speaker 5: Now, you might not find some of the videos. A
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Speaker 5: lot of the videos have been scrubbed.
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Speaker 4: So that's why it is good that this documentary is
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Speaker 4: archived and on the internet, the forever Internet, and it
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Speaker 4: will be there. But yes, you can go look at
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Speaker 4: the documentation declassified operations and plots and plans that were
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Speaker 4: in place.
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Speaker 3: For me this one. It's easy to talk about the
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Speaker 3: hidden treasure. So let's talk about the treasure first. The
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Speaker 3: structure of this movie is phenomenal the way you already
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Speaker 3: mentioned that it starts out with here's all the receipts
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Speaker 3: from the nineteen sixties up until the day of two
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Speaker 3: thousand and one. Here's all the receipts first, before we
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Speaker 3: even get into subjective claims, before we get into witness
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Speaker 3: you know, first hand accounts. Here is the documented research
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Speaker 3: that you can very for yourself before anything crazy pops off.
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Speaker 3: You also just mentioned that this movie has so many
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Speaker 3: clips and sound bites from the TV that morning and
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Speaker 3: that week that all this happened, many of which are
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Speaker 3: nearly impossible to find anymore. They've either been scrubbed or
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Speaker 3: I don't know what other word you would use for
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Speaker 3: this that makes it so hard, But loose change does
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Speaker 3: such a service by collecting all these different things and
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Speaker 3: putting them together in context in a way that you
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Speaker 3: can't take it back away unless someone comes out with
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Speaker 3: like the third cut and they just like neuter all
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Speaker 3: of it. But this one it basically it brings the
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Speaker 3: receipts everywhere it can. It shows the names of documents,
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Speaker 3: the dates in which things happen, the cities in which
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Speaker 3: things happened. It names the witnesses that it's talking to.
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Speaker 3: It's not just some guy said or here's a guy
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Speaker 3: saying something. It's like, here's the guy's name, here's who
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Speaker 3: he is. Here is the reason why he was in
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Speaker 3: this building. Another I guess the biggest pro for me,
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Speaker 3: the biggest hidden treasure here is the amount of care
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Speaker 3: that went into making this documentary legit. This is not
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Speaker 3: money Masters in that case, it's definitely not Zeitgeist, because
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Speaker 3: this one has a very high level of like commercial
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Speaker 3: retail polish. And I guess the best example of that
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Speaker 3: is that there even is a second edition, and there's
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Speaker 3: a second edition HD remaster and if you search for
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Speaker 3: Loose Change second Edition Nation d Remaister, it's going to
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Speaker 3: point you directly to Amazon and Apple and all of
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Speaker 3: these places where you can stream it right now and
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Speaker 3: pay money in order to do so. Versus Money Masters
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Speaker 3: and Zeitgeist and some of the other conspiracy documentaries that
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Speaker 3: we talk about, those ones you kind of have to
20:42
Speaker 3: go on pirate Bay, you kind of have to go
20:44
Speaker 3: and find like some weird sketchy torn on going archive
20:47
Speaker 3: dot org. This one has sort of like shown the
20:51
Speaker 3: test of time in that it's still commercially viable and
20:54
Speaker 3: it holds up. It looks like a professional ass documentary.
20:58
Speaker 5: Professional like top of the line.
21:02
Speaker 3: Then yeah, yeah, I want to hear your treasure on
21:04
Speaker 3: this one.
21:05
Speaker 4: Yeah, So my treasure on this one is basically like
21:08
Speaker 4: all the stuff you said for sure, like the high quality.
21:11
Speaker 4: It's a mix of like Zeitgeist and money Masters, not
21:13
Speaker 4: on the subject matter necessarily. Even those guys did lift
21:17
Speaker 4: a lot of the material from Loose Change on their
21:20
Speaker 4: like nine to eleven section, like they kind of just highlight,
21:23
Speaker 4: you know, what Dylan put together. But I think that
21:27
Speaker 4: their true gem in this is the eyewitness accounts. The
21:31
Speaker 4: so many people that day, the firefighters, the police, Uh,
21:35
Speaker 4: the janitor, I forgot his name that you just mentioned him,
21:37
Speaker 4: but all these people that actually heard and really feel
21:42
Speaker 4: like it was a controlled demolition, which really sets the
21:45
Speaker 4: point that he's making. It's not just making a claim
21:47
Speaker 4: and saying, hey, it's controlled demolition. He's saying like, oh,
21:51
Speaker 4: I think it's controlled demolition, and this is why I
21:54
Speaker 4: think that. And and with providing the receipts and people
21:56
Speaker 4: actually being there really gives me the feel And that's
21:59
Speaker 4: the hitting to me that makes this movie, with all
22:03
Speaker 4: the receipts and all the facts that has, together with
22:06
Speaker 4: the transitions and great editing, the this is what Hollywood
22:09
Speaker 4: would make as a conspiracy movie, but without the people
22:12
Speaker 4: that were on the ground that day telling what they
22:15
Speaker 4: actually saw, not edited, not like persuade their actual like
22:20
Speaker 4: this is what I saw and aired forever.
22:23
Speaker 5: Is my highlight of the whole film.
22:26
Speaker 3: And here's the hardest part for me is what is
22:29
Speaker 3: the overboard moment? Like what are the cons Where does
22:32
Speaker 3: this movie fall flat? And I'm just unable to separate
22:37
Speaker 3: myself from my bias of this movie just reflecting everything
22:42
Speaker 3: that I wanted to hear, and I've kind of come
22:45
Speaker 3: to believe in so many different ways. I don't know, man,
22:49
Speaker 3: I don't know what's wrong with this. In fact, this
22:52
Speaker 3: second edition remaster, it's a tight like seventy minutes. It's
22:56
Speaker 3: not even like a two hour, three and a half
22:59
Speaker 3: hour like they they get in, they get out, they
23:01
Speaker 3: leave you with the receipts, and there's not a lot
23:04
Speaker 3: of fluff on top. So man, it's it really really
23:08
Speaker 3: was hard for me to think of a downside of
23:10
Speaker 3: this movie. I don't even okay if I had to
23:12
Speaker 3: come up with one. It's just that you might not
23:15
Speaker 3: realize that there's a second edition and a second edition
23:18
Speaker 3: HD remaster. You're searching online, you might find an older
23:22
Speaker 3: edition to this movie which maybe doesn't have the same
23:26
Speaker 3: tight editing and it doesn't hit as quickly in as
23:29
Speaker 3: hard with those receipts. But I mean, what am I
23:32
Speaker 3: just gonna critique like an older, outdated version that clearly
23:35
Speaker 3: Dylan Avery already knew and kind of corrected that.
23:39
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm with you.
23:40
Speaker 4: I had a huge bias, but I had to come
23:42
Speaker 4: up with something because this was like my conspiracy gospel.
23:45
Speaker 5: When this came out, I was like, this.
23:47
Speaker 4: Is the Holy grail of like, oh my gosh, now
23:49
Speaker 4: every argument you have, you have an answer, you know
23:52
Speaker 4: what I mean.
23:52
Speaker 5: You could really set things home now.
23:55
Speaker 4: I think the only drawback would be to as we
23:58
Speaker 4: said with Zeitgei's how the Bible thumpers may not be
24:02
Speaker 4: able to get past some parts.
24:03
Speaker 5: I think heavy patriotism and people.
24:05
Speaker 4: That buy into a lot of the America stuff might
24:09
Speaker 4: not be able to digest as very well. And I
24:11
Speaker 4: know at the time if you questioned nine to eleven
24:13
Speaker 4: and watching this film, trying to get people at the
24:16
Speaker 4: time to watch this, it was like sacrilegious to say
24:20
Speaker 4: the least, you know what I mean, to even offer
24:22
Speaker 4: an alternative perspective other than yeah, these guys just had
24:27
Speaker 4: box cutters and jumped on a plane and crashed it.
24:29
Speaker 5: Dude, it is crazy, Like.
24:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you remove any chance of criticizing the United
24:38
Speaker 3: States or politicians of the CIA, then there's like there's
24:41
Speaker 3: really nothing left to lose change, right, Like you have
24:45
Speaker 3: to open your mind up to the fact that the
24:47
Speaker 3: government is not your best friend and that the CIA
24:50
Speaker 3: might actually do horrible things against our own citizens for
24:54
Speaker 3: the sake of political power. And like global theater, the
25:05
Speaker 3: deep dive. Let's test the waters on this one a
25:08
Speaker 3: little bit. There's not really a specific major claim that
25:13
Speaker 3: I can go into even more detail. This movie does
25:16
Speaker 3: such a great job of stating the claim and saying,
25:19
Speaker 3: here's the official government documentation. So the one out of
25:23
Speaker 3: all this the one that really stands out the most
25:26
Speaker 3: for me, that feels the most damning. And I'm gonna
25:28
Speaker 3: ignore all the control demolition stuff because that almost goes
25:31
Speaker 3: on like your visual interpretation and what kind of looks
25:34
Speaker 3: like this to me. I'm not an expert in control demolitions.
25:37
Speaker 3: But there's this one claim about the Vigilant Guardian program,
25:42
Speaker 3: and there was also like the Northern Vigilant North or
25:45
Speaker 3: whatever it was called. And this is where nora Ad
25:48
Speaker 3: was told to scramble all its fighter jets. And the
25:52
Speaker 3: most damning clip is someone saying, Hey, we need you
25:55
Speaker 3: to rerout over to New York. We've got a hijacked airliner.
25:58
Speaker 3: It's going to fly into this building. And the guy
26:01
Speaker 3: on the other end says, is this part of the
26:04
Speaker 3: simulation or is this real world? And the guys like
26:07
Speaker 3: this is real world. The fact that they even have
26:10
Speaker 3: that recorded, is this part of the simulation is sort
26:14
Speaker 3: of the best proof that I guess we can have
26:17
Speaker 3: aside from government documentation stating that they were doing these
26:20
Speaker 3: But this is how it was allowed to happen. This
26:23
Speaker 3: is how Norad had the stand doown order. They were
26:27
Speaker 3: forced to be able to contact the security defense directly
26:30
Speaker 3: in order for them to scramble on their own. And
26:32
Speaker 3: even if they wanted to, those planes were not available
26:35
Speaker 3: to them because they were either in Florida or they're
26:38
Speaker 3: up in Alaska so there was or they were like
26:41
Speaker 3: upper region of Canada. There was no way for Norad
26:44
Speaker 3: or for anyone to really do anything about this event.
26:48
Speaker 3: And it was just so convenient that the exact thing
26:51
Speaker 3: that happened was being an exercise that same exact morning.
26:55
Speaker 3: They make a great statement about the seven seven bombings
26:59
Speaker 3: doing that same thing. So to me, that is the
27:01
Speaker 3: most major claim, and that's the one that I haven't
27:04
Speaker 3: found any sufficient debunking. It was like, oh no, they
27:07
Speaker 3: were talking about some other extra because that would make
27:10
Speaker 3: it even crazier. What there was a third you know,
27:13
Speaker 3: sort of the experiment going on that morning. So yeah,
27:15
Speaker 3: that to me, that is the big deep die. That's
27:18
Speaker 3: the testing the waters. And again they have the receipts.
27:22
Speaker 4: And fun fact, I use that clip on my intro
27:26
Speaker 4: for my album Dystopian Paradise because I thought.
27:29
Speaker 5: That what they did there that audio.
27:32
Speaker 4: It captures the audience better, right, You know, you can
27:34
Speaker 4: show them a document and hey, this guy read this document,
27:38
Speaker 4: but to hear actual real world Hey, is this an
27:43
Speaker 4: exercise or like what's going on?
27:45
Speaker 3: Man?
27:45
Speaker 2: Like?
27:46
Speaker 5: I think that was good and to me, what I
27:48
Speaker 5: got from the whole.
27:49
Speaker 4: Movie, and like you said, he hammers at home at
27:51
Speaker 4: the end is the skepticism of the media and the
27:54
Speaker 4: psychological warfare that it felt like we have been under
27:59
Speaker 4: since the this movie came out.
28:01
Speaker 5: You know, it was really for me personally.
28:04
Speaker 4: It opened that door for me to look into all
28:07
Speaker 4: this psychological warfare things that go on and think tanks
28:09
Speaker 4: and could this be a possibility of control.
28:13
Speaker 5: I think they did a better job of putting that
28:16
Speaker 5: forward than.
28:16
Speaker 4: Zeitgeist, because zeit guys try to go I think they
28:18
Speaker 4: went to around everywhere. But I think with loose change,
28:21
Speaker 4: for me, their skepticism backed with the receipts is a
28:25
Speaker 4: lot easier to argue against, you know what I mean,
28:28
Speaker 4: like to argue against people that don't believe what you
28:31
Speaker 4: believe and when you're telling them like, hey, look this
28:34
Speaker 4: engineer said this, Hey, this able danger is a real thing,
28:37
Speaker 4: like you know what I mean, Like it's not something
28:39
Speaker 4: that's made up, and you can show them documentation. I
28:42
Speaker 4: think that's where they really got me, and they pushed
28:44
Speaker 4: me towards the skeptic. This is my first push to
28:47
Speaker 4: get away from old media, classic traditional Hollywood and news networks.
28:58
Speaker 3: And we're far away from old world media when this
29:02
Speaker 3: comes out and you're watching Loose Change, and this is
29:05
Speaker 3: where the ripples and the waves come in. This is
29:07
Speaker 3: like the historical and the cultural impact of this movie.
29:11
Speaker 3: First of all, jet fuel can't melt still beams. That's
29:15
Speaker 3: like a meme now, and I would say that if
29:17
Speaker 3: you had a pinpoint the exact birthplace of that meme,
29:22
Speaker 3: it came from Loose Change, because Loose Change spends a
29:25
Speaker 3: good five to ten minutes solid on this very specific
29:29
Speaker 3: concept that it couldn't have just been jet fuel. It
29:32
Speaker 3: couldn't have just been fuel that was in the basement
29:35
Speaker 3: of Building seven they caught on fire, and they kind
29:38
Speaker 3: of lean into it being thermite or it being some
29:42
Speaker 3: other you know, specific controlled demolition practice. There's no way
29:48
Speaker 3: according to this movie, that it could have just been
29:50
Speaker 3: the plane flying in the building that caused all of that.
29:53
Speaker 3: So yeah, jet fuel can't melt still beams. That that
29:56
Speaker 3: comes directly from Loose Change. Also, culturally, I mentioned at
30:00
Speaker 3: the end of our last episode, but that this movie
30:03
Speaker 3: was actually available on select Virgin flights, the you know
30:09
Speaker 3: Virgin record company that has their own airline. They actually
30:13
Speaker 3: made this available for an in flight movie. Now, I'm
30:16
Speaker 3: sure it was just like a sort of a promo thing,
30:19
Speaker 3: like a pr campaign that they had, But what would
30:23
Speaker 3: it feel like watching Lose Change in the air, you
30:27
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Especially you're like flying into New York.
30:29
Speaker 3: I couldn't imagine.
30:31
Speaker 5: They're like, I just hope the government doesn't do anything
30:34
Speaker 5: to this flight.
30:36
Speaker 3: Or that that you got the advanced call. And then again,
30:40
Speaker 3: in terms of historical and cultural impact versus all the
30:43
Speaker 3: movies that we've talked about so far, this is the
30:45
Speaker 3: only one that you can go on to like Apple
30:48
Speaker 3: iTunes store, search for the name and hit stream and bam,
30:52
Speaker 3: you're watching the latest version of this And I think
30:55
Speaker 3: it's it just goes to show how timeless this movie
30:59
Speaker 3: is gonna end up being. If they didn't have the
31:02
Speaker 3: right editing. If they didn't have all of the receipts,
31:05
Speaker 3: I don't think it would have held up this long,
31:07
Speaker 3: and it would have just maybe you could still have
31:10
Speaker 3: it on all these markets, but no one'll be watching it.
31:12
Speaker 3: But man, this one absolutely holds up so historical and
31:15
Speaker 3: cultural impact. Hopefully it outlives, you know, our impression of it,
31:20
Speaker 3: and people are watching this way into the future being like, damn,
31:24
Speaker 3: they actually knew all this stuff at the time.
31:27
Speaker 5: And it also impacted movements.
31:29
Speaker 4: I mean, you had the nine to eleven Inside Job
31:32
Speaker 4: people really catapulting off this, some of the stuff from
31:35
Speaker 4: you know, Alex Jones and I mean Michael Moore just
31:38
Speaker 4: really again that just started the seeds. But this, to me,
31:42
Speaker 4: this film is significant because this is where you get
31:45
Speaker 4: to occupy Wall Street. You get a lot of these movements,
31:47
Speaker 4: as well as what we call today the truth or
31:50
Speaker 4: movement in general, this fear of podcasts that have tons
31:54
Speaker 4: of different conspiracy theorists. You don't get as many, I
31:58
Speaker 4: don't think personally without this film because it was something
32:01
Speaker 4: that you could actually point at and nobody could debunk.
32:05
Speaker 4: It wasn't like where I go, Hey, I'm making a
32:07
Speaker 4: claim about Horus, and then some like I don't know
32:09
Speaker 4: anything about Egyptian religions, like maybe it is, maybe it
32:13
Speaker 4: isn't you know, Like or they'll be like, well this
32:15
Speaker 4: guy said Jesus was like there was easy to debunk
32:17
Speaker 4: because people already had their beliefs on this level. You
32:20
Speaker 4: couldn't debunk it because people are like, look, this is
32:23
Speaker 4: a statement the president made. This is an operation that
32:26
Speaker 4: was about to be pulled off by the CIA. Here's
32:28
Speaker 4: like actual documentation, audio film move you know, clips of
32:33
Speaker 4: news eyewitnesses. It was really the catalyst of our movement
32:39
Speaker 4: of in general, of what we call now like truth
32:42
Speaker 4: tellers and conspiracy theorists. I know that word's been around,
32:45
Speaker 4: but like red pillars, you know, all this stuff, this
32:48
Speaker 4: is the foundation.
32:49
Speaker 5: This is the pillars.
32:50
Speaker 4: I think the three films we started out with are
32:53
Speaker 4: pillars of what conspiracy podcasts and films are now today.
32:58
Speaker 3: That's such a great point because this movie gave birth
33:02
Speaker 3: to the architects and engineers for nine to eleven truth,
33:06
Speaker 3: which is this group of people like you know what,
33:09
Speaker 3: I am an expert. I'm not just some talking head.
33:11
Speaker 3: I'm not just some weirdo with a blog. This is
33:14
Speaker 3: my career. I've been doing this in my entire life.
33:16
Speaker 3: And I also think that there's all these weird anomalies,
33:19
Speaker 3: and I think the name of that group that architects
33:23
Speaker 3: and engineers for nine to eleven truth, that's also where
33:26
Speaker 3: this whole concept of Truther came from. Like we wouldn't
33:30
Speaker 3: have the word Truther without loose change. So, I mean,
33:33
Speaker 3: the cultural impact of that alone is hard to understate.
33:38
Speaker 3: Right now, someone gets called a Truther, it doesn't necessarily
33:41
Speaker 3: have to me nine to eleven in particular, But in
33:44
Speaker 3: the mid two thousands to the early twenty tens, Truther
33:48
Speaker 3: meant specifically nine to eleven Truther.
33:51
Speaker 5: Yeah.
33:51
Speaker 4: And to put another fact that I've said many times,
33:54
Speaker 4: if anybody's ever listened about any podcasts I talk about
33:57
Speaker 4: Cass Sunstein and Cass Sunstein had a paper wrote in
34:01
Speaker 4: two thousand and eight called Cognitive Infiltration, and he talked
34:04
Speaker 4: about the importance of infiltrating conspiratorial groups, especially.
34:08
Speaker 5: Of nine to eleven Inside Job, and it really on
34:12
Speaker 5: both sides.
34:13
Speaker 4: It created these walls and these divisions we have now
34:16
Speaker 4: of people that you're either on this side or on
34:18
Speaker 4: this side. So without this film, I don't think we
34:21
Speaker 4: get this. I don't think we actually navigate people into
34:25
Speaker 4: a more truth telling process.
34:31
Speaker 3: So I can guess where you're at and where I'm
34:34
Speaker 3: at on this, but let's make it official and do
34:37
Speaker 3: our final verdict here, sink or swim? Where you at
34:40
Speaker 3: on loose Change.
34:42
Speaker 5: Twenty thousand leagues.
34:44
Speaker 4: Man, there's no way I know I'm biased. I think
34:46
Speaker 4: you got a little bias. It's just like the nostalgia factor.
34:50
Speaker 4: Plus when I rewatched it, I'm like, oh, everything holds up,
34:53
Speaker 4: like you know what I mean, Like I wasn't like
34:55
Speaker 4: scrambling like well, I don't know.
34:57
Speaker 5: That's kind of a that's kind of weird claim. I
34:59
Speaker 5: don't know if that's true.
35:00
Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh, yeah, I forgot about that, and
35:02
Speaker 4: it gave refreshed my memory of stuff that I didn't
35:05
Speaker 4: necessarily remember. And I think not only that, but the
35:10
Speaker 4: cultural significance and had and how not just documents documented
35:15
Speaker 4: uh documentaries are made now, but how social media is
35:19
Speaker 4: run by so quote unquote truthers and red pillars. I
35:23
Speaker 4: don't think you get this high quality of beds of
35:26
Speaker 4: music and clips going fast with hard hitting information without
35:30
Speaker 4: this film.
35:31
Speaker 5: It's an important film. For this genre of conspiracies.
35:36
Speaker 3: And it like locks like a KRS one sample behind
35:39
Speaker 3: like the hour following. Again, it has a really great
35:43
Speaker 3: soundtrack that makes it feel more modern. This isn't like
35:46
Speaker 3: some boomer sort of like weird right wing thing that
35:50
Speaker 3: you'd find on a like a like a website somewhere.
35:53
Speaker 3: This is legit and it holds up. Like we mentioned
35:57
Speaker 3: a couple of times, now, this has a collection of
36:00
Speaker 3: clips and quotes and video snippets from the morning and
36:04
Speaker 3: news anchors and things that would be very hard to
36:08
Speaker 3: find on their own and put together in context the
36:10
Speaker 3: same way this movie did. So I'm right with you,
36:14
Speaker 3: this one got twenty thousand leagues. For me, this is
36:16
Speaker 3: the highest possible rating that we can give any of
36:19
Speaker 3: these documentaries. And for the same reason, I was absolutely
36:23
Speaker 3: surprised at how well this is held up. I was
36:26
Speaker 3: expecting because the bar for conspiracy documentaries is so low.
36:32
Speaker 3: For me. Now, I guess like I feel kind of
36:34
Speaker 3: about I was almost waiting for the clip where they're
36:37
Speaker 3: like and here's further proof that nine to eleven was
36:39
Speaker 3: an inside job, because the pilot was born on the
36:43
Speaker 3: same day that Alistair Crowley like stubbed his toe for
36:46
Speaker 3: the first time and getting into Gamatria and pulling in
36:50
Speaker 3: like again, like and here's you know, a tale about
36:53
Speaker 3: Orris from two thousand years ago. Like, it doesn't have
36:56
Speaker 3: that stuff, man, it has information that was relevant, well documented,
37:02
Speaker 3: and was released all like right when this stuff was
37:05
Speaker 3: still fresh. There's not a huge chance for weird conspiracy
37:09
Speaker 3: games of telephone to have occurred and then for this
37:13
Speaker 3: documentary to come up and say some people say it
37:16
Speaker 3: doesn't say some people say it says this exact report
37:19
Speaker 3: released on this date to this group. Here's a scan
37:21
Speaker 3: of it. Here's information about how to find out more
37:24
Speaker 3: for yourself. Not many documentaries go that extra miles. So
37:28
Speaker 3: there's no way I could rate this thing anything less
37:31
Speaker 3: than the top rating we got twenty thousand leagues. Yeah,
37:34
Speaker 3: loose change holds up over time.
37:37
Speaker 5: I totally agree with that.
37:38
Speaker 4: And to your point, I think that this is where
37:41
Speaker 4: you kind of get the realm of like a lot
37:42
Speaker 4: of documentaries are theorizing, and this is actually conspiracy, Like
37:47
Speaker 4: this is Hey, I can prove this.
37:49
Speaker 5: It's not just a theory.
37:50
Speaker 4: Like I think there's some theories in there, but a
37:52
Speaker 4: lot of it's fact based and a lot of other
37:55
Speaker 4: documentaries are like, well this is loosely interpreted, right, like,
37:59
Speaker 4: cause if it's thing that could be interpreted like, well,
38:01
Speaker 4: I think God is this? I think Jesus is this
38:03
Speaker 4: on this It's like no, look this, this exact exercise
38:07
Speaker 4: was gonna happen.
38:17
Speaker 3: So I think we're done with the controversial stuff. We
38:21
Speaker 3: did three really controversial documentaries, so now we're gonna do
38:25
Speaker 3: three that are a little bit more family friendly. No one, No,
38:28
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone's gonna get offended or their feathers
38:31
Speaker 3: ruffled for the next three that we've got planned, which
38:33
Speaker 3: are the Trayvon Martin hoax all for Floyd and am
38:38
Speaker 3: I a racist? I can't see how anyone would get
38:41
Speaker 3: offended by two guys talking about race relations. Uh, you
38:45
Speaker 3: know hot takes on a podcast?
38:48
Speaker 5: Yeah, where can where can we go wrong? Man? None
38:51
Speaker 5: of those subjects bother people.
38:54
Speaker 3: And uh and yeah, So I'm kind of excited. But
38:57
Speaker 3: I think what we're gonna do is we'll do these
39:00
Speaker 3: documentaries and little batches of three. So the first three
39:03
Speaker 3: where conspiracy classics, the absolute pillars, the ones that you
39:08
Speaker 3: have to watch. If you haven't seen all three of
39:10
Speaker 3: those already, go watch Money Masters, go watch Zeitgeist, and
39:13
Speaker 3: go watch Loose Change. None of those are gonna waste
39:16
Speaker 3: any of your time. The next three are gonna be
39:20
Speaker 3: probably even more controversial because they have a lot of emotion,
39:24
Speaker 3: lots of subjectiveness into them, and lots of wild claims,
39:28
Speaker 3: Like even more wild than saying that the government attacked
39:31
Speaker 3: itself with a false flag in order to pass the
39:33
Speaker 3: Patriot Act and keep us all enslaved into a monetary system.
39:37
Speaker 3: The next three are gonna make even wilder claims than that.
39:42
Speaker 5: Way wilder that are going to get some people very emotional.
39:45
Speaker 4: But I think it's good to go through these so
39:47
Speaker 4: that people can see the aspect of everything.
39:52
Speaker 3: So join us for the next episode. Under the Docks.
39:55
Speaker 3: Hope you guys are liking this. We got so many more,
39:58
Speaker 3: so we'll see on that one.
40:07
Speaker 2: Under the Dogs, Yeah, Under the Dogs, very people breakular locks. Funny,
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Speaker 2: but could they erase all the shots they got the
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Speaker 2: dogs Under the Dogs, Under the Dogs, Yeah
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Speaker 1: Under the Dogs, Under the Dogs,