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SMNTY Classics: Feminist Movie Friday - What's Cooking? · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha.
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Speaker 2: What kind of stuff? I never told you a pfictureve
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Speaker 2: I heard you? And as we record this, we are
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Speaker 2: heading into the holidays. If you celebrate, hope all as well.
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Speaker 2: Hope if thanks Okay, But I think this was pretty recent.
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Speaker 2: We actually did a Thanksgiving movie, Oh yeah, What's Cooking?
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Speaker 2: Because we were discussing how there aren't that many Thanksgiving movies.
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Speaker 2: One of them that we talked about I still want
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Speaker 2: to watch one day, and I'm debating on whether I
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Speaker 2: want to save it for this segment or just watch
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Speaker 2: it on my own.
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Speaker 1: Is it a horror movie?
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Speaker 2: No, I've seen that one, though I've actually seen both
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Speaker 2: of the big ones. Oh but yeah, No, I want
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Speaker 2: to see the one where, oh gosh, I would recognize
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Speaker 2: the actress if you said her name, but where they
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Speaker 2: like go to her small apartment and have the Thanksgiving
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Speaker 2: I just feel like I would connect with that in
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Speaker 2: a way of especially since my car hasn't been working,
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Speaker 2: my mom's been staying at my place when she visits,
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Speaker 2: and my apartment's like it's not small, small, but it's
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Speaker 2: on small side for two people, right, And so if
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Speaker 2: I were to have a holiday Thanksgiving celebration with her here.
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Speaker 2: It would be especially because my oven doesn't really work.
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Speaker 2: It would be interesting. It does work, it's just I
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Speaker 2: have to keep an eye on it.
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Speaker 1: Tell me new things every time about your apartment. But
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Speaker 1: I'm like, what anyway going on?
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Speaker 2: I just have to keep an eye on it, that's all.
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Speaker 2: And you know the holidays brings this stuff out. But
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Speaker 2: I thought we could bring this this episode back, so
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Speaker 2: please enjoy. Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome
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Speaker 2: to Stephane. Never told your production of I Heart Radio.
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Speaker 1: And you know what, I feel like this is starting
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Speaker 1: to be a tradition around the holidays. I think where
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Speaker 1: I need to do a throwback And this one went
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Speaker 1: to the two thousands. The ots literally zero zero looking
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Speaker 1: at the old days, and I guess what we used
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Speaker 1: to think about the holidays or this movie specifically, maybe
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Speaker 1: what the person from the UK you may think of
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Speaker 1: as a US Thanksgiving. I'm gonna put the big question
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Speaker 1: to Mark there, which is funny because I have a
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Speaker 1: good friend who moved from Georgia to the UK and
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Speaker 1: she hosts a Thanksgiving there every year and the people
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Speaker 1: they love it, her friends, her UK friends love it
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Speaker 1: and look forward to it every year, even though that's
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Speaker 1: not a thing that they do, which I thought was
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Speaker 1: quite funny. But yeah, so we're talking about the movie
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Speaker 1: What's Cooking, which doesn't have a great rating. Annie, I
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Speaker 1: noticed that when I was like, oh yeah, I was like,
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Speaker 1: fifty eight percent Rotten Tomatoes. Maybe it's because it's so
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Speaker 1: old and Ron Tomatoes wasn't around at that point right.
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Speaker 2: Now, I actually don't know.
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Speaker 1: I thought it was a newer thing, newer. I say
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Speaker 1: that loosely.
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Speaker 2: I will say that you suggested four movies, right because
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Speaker 2: we were looking for like Thanksgiving movies, and I watched
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Speaker 2: the trailer for all of them, and all of them
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Speaker 2: I was actually like, I kind of do want to
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Speaker 2: watch this? And I looked up all of their percentages
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Speaker 2: and all of them were pretty good. But I didn't
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Speaker 2: look at Rot Tomatoes, so I don't know, but all
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Speaker 2: of them were pretty.
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Speaker 1: Good, like the question pretty good ish And yeah, So
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Speaker 1: this movie that I gave you a long list of,
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Speaker 1: I was like, this looks pretty you know, on point
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Speaker 1: with what we would would look at in time was
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Speaker 1: directed by Grinder Chada, who also wrote and directed Of
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Speaker 1: Course My All Time one of my all time favorites
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Speaker 1: which we've talked about before, which we featured Bend It
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Speaker 1: like Beckham, as well as a bigger throwback for me
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Speaker 1: Bride and Prejudice, which came I think after this one though,
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Speaker 1: because I didn't watch it until I was in college.
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Speaker 1: I was really into Bollywood for a while and Bride
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Speaker 1: and Prejudice it hit. There's so many lines I can't
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Speaker 1: even remember it like I loved it. But Chata has
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Speaker 1: helped also helped to write this along with Paul Mayatta Burgess.
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Speaker 1: Sorry if I said that wrong. Who is the husband?
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Speaker 1: I didn't realize they were married and also co wrote
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Speaker 1: Bend It like Beckham, so he is American, so maybe
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Speaker 1: his perspective also helped. But I found that interesting that
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Speaker 1: this is who did this. The movie revolves around four
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Speaker 1: diverse as it has written in many reviews, diverse families
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Speaker 1: all coming to celebrate Thanksgiving and the many family interactions
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Speaker 1: that that involves. We have Joan Chen as the matriarch
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Speaker 1: of the Nunn family, who uh trend is her name
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Speaker 1: is a Vitnamese family who lives with her husband Douck,
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Speaker 1: grandma and Grandpa, and children Jimmy who's the oldest, Jenny,
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Speaker 1: Gary and Joey, which I think maybe most of them
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Speaker 1: are not Vietnamese. They range like Joan Chin is Chinese.
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Speaker 1: Apparently Jimmy, who is played I forgot who played by
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Speaker 1: is Korean. I was like, huh, they couldn't find Okay,
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Speaker 1: it's okay, it's okay, it's okay. Moving on, and then
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Speaker 1: we have the Selig family, a Jewish family with Ruth
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Speaker 1: played by Laine Kazan who you may know her from
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Speaker 1: My Fat, My Big Fat Greek Wedding. Which have we
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Speaker 1: done that one?
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Speaker 2: No, we haven't haven't seen that movie.
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Speaker 1: We're coming back to that. We haven't done this. Oh okay,
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Speaker 1: everybody put that in your calendar because it is coming
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Speaker 1: with her husband, herbie daughter Rachel played by Kiara Sedgwick,
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Speaker 1: her girlfriend Carla played by Juliana Markaalie, and her two
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Speaker 1: sons with the and uncle joining the dinner and as
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Speaker 1: per Momos things, Yeah, it's played by sis HETERONORDI of people,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know is Kia Sedgwick? It doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: But I don't think they're like when we talk about
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Speaker 1: the layers of who plays what, you're like, they really
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Speaker 1: didn't care about accuracy in the I don't think I
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Speaker 1: say this, but you know.
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Speaker 2: Then we have the via the family Latino family led
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Speaker 2: by the mother Elizabeth played by Mercedes Role with her
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Speaker 2: children Tony and Gina, and her mother and siblings all
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Speaker 2: added in the mix, and then also added to the
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Speaker 2: chaos as the ex husband Javier and the new boyfriend Daniel.
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Speaker 2: And then we have the Williams family headed by Alfred
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Speaker 2: Witard who plays Audrey, with her husband Ronald and her
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Speaker 2: son Michael, with the mother in law Grace and her
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Speaker 2: youngest child, and joining them is a white couple who
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Speaker 2: works with Ronald at the Governor's office.
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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, now that we somewhat introduce the families, let's
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Speaker 1: talk about the plot. So, as we said, the movie
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Speaker 1: follows four families who are coming together to eat and
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Speaker 1: continue with their holiday traditions. We get to see the
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Speaker 1: lives that are somewhat intertwined as they all live in
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Speaker 1: la and are all neighbors, which I didn't figure out
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Speaker 1: till much later. I was like, oh, what I had
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Speaker 1: that moment. They are all bustling about making them their
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Speaker 1: way through grocery stores, phone calls, and traveling to get
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Speaker 1: to the actual festivities. We're going to start with the
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Speaker 1: different families and what they're doing. So the Nwinn family,
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Speaker 1: who own a local video rental store. What a throwback, right,
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Speaker 1: all the vhs and the clear plastic holders. I remember those. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that was before Blockbuster covered them all up or had
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Speaker 1: the black black cases. Because sometimes they're like, is it
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Speaker 1: the actual movie anyway? Uh. They're coming together to make
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Speaker 1: their meal, a mix of Vietnamese cuisine with American cuisine,
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Speaker 1: a turkey with all the good Asian spices, basil roles
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Speaker 1: which looked really good by the way spring rolls, and
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Speaker 1: so much more on the table. Unfortunately, they find out
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Speaker 1: that the oldest Jimmy can't come due to school, but
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Speaker 1: it turns out it's a lie, as he wants to
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Speaker 1: go with his new girlfriend to her family celebration. More
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Speaker 1: on that in a minute. He is a stable part
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Speaker 1: of their family, someone they rely on not only as
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Speaker 1: the college student, but as the oldest brother. Uh. The
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Speaker 1: parents ask him to help and to talk with the
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Speaker 1: younger siblings as well. And by the way, the other
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Speaker 1: son has recently gotten into trouble at school and has
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Speaker 1: been suspended. All the while the young daughter has been
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Speaker 1: to distracted by boys and makeup. They accuse of her
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Speaker 1: being trampy, I guess is the best word, because they
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Speaker 1: call her different things throughout. Soon we have a big
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Speaker 1: twist and find out that the Sun has a gun
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Speaker 1: under his bed, which his sister finds and immediately panics,
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Speaker 1: taking it with her to the video store. After a
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Speaker 1: whole mess where the parents discovered that Jenny has a
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Speaker 1: white boyfriend and maybe having sex insert earlier discovery of
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Speaker 1: condoms in her pockets, she confronts the brother Gary, who
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Speaker 1: says he's only holding it for a friend who was
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Speaker 1: recently jumped. And y'all the acting in this part was something.
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Speaker 2: It was and I have a funny story about it later.
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Speaker 2: So moving on to the Avilla family, A part of
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Speaker 2: the connectedness of the plot is Gina, daughter to Elizabeth,
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Speaker 2: is dating Jimmy, the oldest of the Wynn family, and
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Speaker 2: is bringing him home for dinner. Before the dinner, however,
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Speaker 2: we discover that she's got a new boyfriend. New boyfriend, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: the mom has a new boyfriend. Tony and his wife
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Speaker 2: run into his father at the grocery store, where he
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Speaker 2: awkwardly invites him to dinner. The dad is like, well,
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Speaker 2: I have nowhere to go, and Tony's like, all right,
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Speaker 2: come on. After talking with his mother, he tries to
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Speaker 2: uninvite him. He says he left a message because the
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Speaker 2: dad had had Javier had had an affair with the
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Speaker 2: mom the matrix cousin and left them. But you know whatever,
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Speaker 2: and Jimmy arrive and everyone seems to warm up to Jimmy.
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Speaker 2: After some awkward racist moments of talking about Bruce Lee
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Speaker 2: and Jackie Chan, Elizabeth lets Gina know that the new boyfriend,
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Speaker 2: Daniel would be stopping by for dessert, which Gina has
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Speaker 2: mixed feelings about. As they all sit together, Javier the
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Speaker 2: father shows up with very little remorse and tries to
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Speaker 2: win back Elizabe. Then Daniel shows up and the whole
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Speaker 2: thing is even more awkward. They sit at opposite the table.
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Speaker 2: After a bit of back and forth, Javier leaves after
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Speaker 2: Elizabeth lets him know she doesn't want to take him
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Speaker 2: back and also, yes, the grandmother was amazing. She was
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Speaker 2: very like, why are you here? To get out of here?
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Speaker 1: She loved her defending the whole It was definitely a
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Speaker 1: whole women versus men guy. In this scene where the
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Speaker 1: women were taking up for her. The mother be like, hey,
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Speaker 1: while the men were like, but but but yes.
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Speaker 2: That's when I because I texted you and I was like,
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Speaker 2: I feel like all these holiday movies are telling me
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Speaker 2: men are terrible. It was that scene where I was like, this.
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Speaker 1: Is there's several there's several scenes were like, yeah, men
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Speaker 1: are the worst, So let's just put that out there.
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Speaker 1: Then we had the Williams family. Dear Audrey is scrambling
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Speaker 1: trying to make the perfect Thanksgiving Day dinner. Her husband
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Speaker 1: is currently at work where he works for the governor
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Speaker 1: of California. We see the governor at an event where
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Speaker 1: he is questioned about his policies concerning the quote underprivileged.
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Speaker 1: As he is about to leave, he is splashed with
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Speaker 1: white paint, with one of the attackers being Ronald and
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Speaker 1: Audrey's son Michael. And as Audrey is preparing dinner, she
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Speaker 1: is watched and quote assistance upon that end quotes by
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Speaker 1: her mother in law, who is portrayed as the typical
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Speaker 1: mother in law in this the nagging woman, which you
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Speaker 1: know you gotta have one, I guess. The work couple
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Speaker 1: who are friends arrives with their daughter's slash step daughter,
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Speaker 1: who has a lot of attitude and is similarly dressed
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Speaker 1: to the craft cast. I appreciated that a may amo
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Speaker 1: dark and during their dinner, the turkey ends up falling
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Speaker 1: through the table, causing Audrey quite a bit of stress.
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Speaker 1: But we have them rallying together to fix it and
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Speaker 1: it still looks quite delicious. They're eating green beans off
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Speaker 1: the floor, so they's seem fine. The son, Michael, shows
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Speaker 1: up to all of their surprise, and it turns out
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Speaker 1: the relationship between the father's son is strained, which has
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Speaker 1: caused a lot of problems for the entire family. He
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Speaker 1: debates about school and politics arise with an explosive remark
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Speaker 1: from the son about the father's affair with a woman
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Speaker 1: in the office. Audrey runs into the kitchen to eat
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Speaker 1: dessert as Michael tries to apologize. The mother in law
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Speaker 1: chastises Ronald but insists they need to stay together and
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Speaker 1: fix it.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I've seen this also. I really appreciated her aggressive
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Speaker 2: eating of the pie.
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Speaker 1: Yes, she was so upset that all she was just
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Speaker 1: couldn't do. It's just I got to get a dessert.
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Speaker 2: I understand that feelings I do too, So then we
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Speaker 2: move on to the Selog family. Rachel arrives with her
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Speaker 2: girlfriend Carla and already there being mistaken us sisters, so
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Speaker 2: they enter the house together in battle mode like they've
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Speaker 2: clearly kind of knew this was probably gonna happen. The
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Speaker 2: parents accept their relationship, they still have a hard time
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Speaker 2: with it. In a conversation between the parents, we see
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Speaker 2: the mother crime because she thinks her daughter won't be
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Speaker 2: able to have a happy family. Meanwhile, we see Rachel
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Speaker 2: and Carla in their twin beds that they have pushed together,
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Speaker 2: talking about the family and how to deal with everything.
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Speaker 2: The following day, as they help the mother put together
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Speaker 2: the dinner, Carla tries her best to get to know
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Speaker 2: them and even endures a whole speech about the jacuzzi
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Speaker 2: from Rachel's father about how much he loves it and
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Speaker 2: the temperature and very minor temperature differences. Carla and her
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Speaker 2: mother have a good relationship from what we witness, and
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Speaker 2: Rachel seems to like her a lot as well, which
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Speaker 2: seems to bring some feelings out in her mom. Later
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Speaker 2: we find out that the aunt and uncle are a
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Speaker 2: joining and the parents have requested that Rachel and Carla
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Speaker 2: not mention that they are in a relationship together As
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Speaker 2: a family gathers. Talks of politics and how Elia's changed
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Speaker 2: come up, and it gets really tense as the conversation
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Speaker 2: gets more heated. But at the height of the conversation,
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Speaker 2: Rachel makes an announcement that she is pregnant, and confusion
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Speaker 2: and shock ensues, the mother and father trying to figure
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Speaker 2: out how this happened and advertedly outing them, which soon
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Speaker 2: leads to the outing of her brother, who was the
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Speaker 2: sperm doner.
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Speaker 1: Right. I did appreciate the other brother who his women
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Speaker 1: and his wife and the kids come. I did appreciate
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Speaker 1: that they were very supportive, but also the fact that
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Speaker 1: they also were getting some shit as the ant and
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Speaker 1: uncle were like, when's the third baby coming? Oh my god, No,
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Speaker 1: it was quite nice. I was like, oh, everybody gets it.
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Speaker 1: Everybody gets it. As all the dinners are coming to
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Speaker 1: an end, we go back to see the Wynn family,
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Speaker 1: whose turkey was burned so they had to order KFC,
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Speaker 1: which I thought was delightful, and apparently the youngest did too,
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Speaker 1: he was very excited about this chicken. During the mil
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Speaker 1: Gary's friends show up, which worries Ginny, who announces that
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Speaker 1: Gary was hiding a gun and just lays it on
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Speaker 1: the table because why not. After a lot of arguing,
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Speaker 1: the youngest and they leave the table. The youngest comes out,
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Speaker 1: who was very excited about chicken, sees the gun, grabs
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Speaker 1: it and plays with it, and it goes off. After
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Speaker 1: a very intense moment of like this is a thirteen
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Speaker 1: movies kill the youngest child off. I had that debate
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Speaker 1: back and forth of like what the hell and realizing
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Speaker 1: this is quickly turning into an after school special that
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Speaker 1: I've seen before.
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Speaker 2: I feel like.
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Speaker 1: We soon find out that the families all live caddy
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Speaker 1: corner to each other. Literally, each one of it lives
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Speaker 1: on a corner that faces one another, which is hilarious,
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Speaker 1: like how would they not known each other?
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Speaker 2: How?
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Speaker 1: There's so many questions I had, but I just looked it.
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Speaker 1: But that the gun had gone off and everybody heard it. Jimmy,
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Speaker 1: realizing that it came from his house, runs to the
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Speaker 1: home again he had lied that he's not coming home.
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Speaker 1: A lot more confusion, we find out that everyone is
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Speaker 1: safe and the gun has shot out the window. At
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Speaker 1: this point, Jimmy introduces everyone to his his family, to
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Speaker 1: his girlfriend Gina, who again lives across the way, who
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Speaker 1: was accepted into the family. They're like, oh, she looks Vietnamese.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the family. And then we have Ronald who
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Speaker 1: talks to Michael about the future and his own experiences
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Speaker 1: about how it's hard not having an education and being
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Speaker 1: a black person in the community and what that looks
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Speaker 1: like blah blah blah. And then we have the Sea
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Speaker 1: leagues who are all a bit confused but more distracted
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Speaker 1: by the recent gunshot. And then the Avelis continue on
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Speaker 1: with their dessert like it's just yay in the story
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Speaker 1: Happy Holiday.
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Speaker 2: So can I tell you I watched this last night
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Speaker 2: and I had to watch it with ads, so it
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Speaker 2: was taking longer than I thought. And one of my
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Speaker 2: good friends came over for like the final i'd say
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Speaker 2: ten minutes because we were going to go see the
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Speaker 2: new Thanksgiving movie, which I did see night, and I
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Speaker 2: didn't know this gun thing was gonna happen. And my
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Speaker 2: poor friend shows up for the last ten minutes of
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Speaker 2: this movie and it was like, what are you watching?
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Speaker 2: Like I don't know understand, but it was so funny
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Speaker 2: because I couldn't have anticipated this, and that's the only
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Speaker 2: part she saw. Then we went to go see this
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Speaker 2: other movie.
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Speaker 1: In that was a shakraa.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure it was quite a day.
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Speaker 1: That's funny. Yeah, the entire setup was odd. It's an
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Speaker 1: hour and forty five fifty minutes long. I think it
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Speaker 1: is your tip. It is on not not a sponsor
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Speaker 1: Amazon Prime with ads. I also, I have never seen
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Speaker 1: this movie either. I just picked. We were like, we
18:41
Speaker 1: need to do a Thanksgiving Day movie. Let's be silly
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Speaker 1: watch this. And this has four matriarchs. I honestly thought
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Speaker 1: they all came together. That's what I had envisioned, and
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Speaker 1: then it turned out none of that was happening.
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Speaker 2: Was like, okay, okay.
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Speaker 1: I feel like the most diverse of the two would
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Speaker 1: have been the Avila's and the Winds doing their things.
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Speaker 1: So like, oh at Lista's cold, Okay, okay, cool, cool
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Speaker 1: to have an Asian family as part of the star as.
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Speaker 1: In fact, Joan Chen was kind of uh named as
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Speaker 1: if she was the star of the show, which is
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Speaker 1: not true because she's she's barely in it compared to
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Speaker 1: the rest of them. But I digress. So there's a
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Speaker 1: lot again. Finding out that it was bended, like Beckham
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Speaker 1: creators really threw me off because like they really wanted
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Speaker 1: to tell an American story that's interesting. About Thanksgiving, that's interesting.
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Speaker 1: And of course we did have a couple of conversations
19:35
Speaker 1: about like, you know, the goth girl talking about how,
19:38
Speaker 1: you know, millions of Native Americans first indigenous people were
19:41
Speaker 1: murdered and killed my disease. I was like, okay, hey,
19:44
Speaker 1: lids say, I guess they added that in there. Uh
19:47
Speaker 1: did love the fact that she during their like we're
19:50
Speaker 1: playing house, She's like, I'm going to be the alcoholics.
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Speaker 1: The mother cult worship based up mother and because we're like, uh, okay, okay,
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Speaker 1: Google and the grandma was too. So there's a lot
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Speaker 1: to that in that level. But yeah, there were several themes,
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Speaker 1: and I think there was more like, oh yeah, I
20:09
Speaker 1: get this. So obviously the very top is the holidays
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Speaker 1: and families togetherness and Jimmy lying about going home and
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Speaker 1: why he couldn't come home. I may have done that
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Speaker 1: like as of like three years ago, to be honest,
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Speaker 1: not for a mate, but like just because.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean they definitely it was kind of
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Speaker 2: shocking how accurately I felt they captured the vibe of
20:40
Speaker 2: the drama of families during this time of like the
20:45
Speaker 2: politics of it, of the like, ugh, I don't want
20:49
Speaker 2: to deal with this person of the asking you like
20:51
Speaker 2: if you're single, when you're gonna have kids, like all
20:53
Speaker 2: of those like things we dread and may lie about
20:58
Speaker 2: to get out of and feel guilty about lying about
21:01
Speaker 2: to get out of, and then like visiting another partner's
21:05
Speaker 2: family and yes, being on the outliers there.
21:10
Speaker 1: Right, I loved of course, like at least they had
21:13
Speaker 1: LGBTQ representation and it was sweet, very nice kind of
21:18
Speaker 1: representation where they're supportive and not trying to be over
21:21
Speaker 1: the top. Of course, the partner is the one that's like,
21:23
Speaker 1: don't say anything, don't argue with your dad about the politics,
21:27
Speaker 1: thing about the immigrations and all the all the things,
21:29
Speaker 1: which I was like, oh, there it comes. But of
21:32
Speaker 1: course inevitably that's the conversation. You know. I've talked about
21:36
Speaker 1: the fact that I get scared of going because that's
21:39
Speaker 1: going to come up, and typically it gets worse. It
21:42
Speaker 1: hasn't been as bad when it's been at its worst,
21:45
Speaker 1: like the Trump administration. My brother did the only thing,
21:48
Speaker 1: which is like, I'm going to buy you a Maga hat,
21:50
Speaker 1: and I kind of just stared at him. I was like,
21:51
Speaker 1: I don't care, and we didn't say anything else, of course,
21:55
Speaker 1: like we said, like, I've already had my arguments with
21:58
Speaker 1: my mom and it was so bad, and my mom
21:59
Speaker 1: was I think, begged everyone not to say anything. But
22:02
Speaker 1: apparently political conversations happen when I'm not around. Yeah, because
22:06
Speaker 1: my niece have had to had to deal with that,
22:09
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, bless her heart. But yeah, that's one
22:11
Speaker 1: of the big I hate. I hate it so much.
22:13
Speaker 1: I will say as much as like I love, I'd
22:17
Speaker 1: rather go to my partner's family m any day, all
22:20
Speaker 1: day because we're all very similar. The father does play
22:26
Speaker 1: news constantly to the fiend, and I'm like, I'm gonna
22:29
Speaker 1: lose it. I'm gonna lose it. Yeah, I'm gonna lose it.
22:32
Speaker 1: But it's not because necessarily that he's arguing with anybody,
22:35
Speaker 1: because everybody pretty much agrees right on all the stances there.
22:39
Speaker 1: But it's just like I still don't want to hear it,
22:41
Speaker 1: even if it is things that I more agree with,
22:43
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear it.
22:45
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's that's kind of me with my older brother,
22:48
Speaker 2: because my brothers are both very very like all day
22:54
Speaker 2: listening to the stuff like that, and I do agree
22:57
Speaker 2: with most of it. I don't agree with some of it,
23:00
Speaker 2: but but it it is like I will literally go
23:03
Speaker 2: home because they're both like night owls. It'll be four
23:07
Speaker 2: am and I'm just listening to something about Donald Trump,
23:10
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I just want to sleep. Please please
23:15
Speaker 2: turn this off because now and now my heart is
23:19
Speaker 2: beating really fast.
23:21
Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, politics, bad hearing news even warse right.
23:28
Speaker 1: I think that's the one thing that they were missing.
23:29
Speaker 1: They need to add that. Now. If they did a
23:31
Speaker 1: remake of this, they'd add that the one uncle that
23:33
Speaker 1: sleeps in the couch that he listens to the news time.
23:37
Speaker 1: Another thing which we've talked about as a full episode,
23:41
Speaker 1: women preparing the dinner. It was only the women the
23:44
Speaker 1: entire time. Jimmy, Dear Jimmy, and I think this is
23:46
Speaker 1: being the oldest child comes in to play, came in
23:50
Speaker 1: and helped, and I was like, that's super cute like that,
23:52
Speaker 1: and they were all like bragging about how he's so
23:54
Speaker 1: great and doing this. But then like the brother Tony
23:57
Speaker 1: was like, can you give me a beer? Hunt to
23:59
Speaker 1: the wife, and I'm like, I'll punch you in the throat.
24:02
Speaker 1: But we know that's the thing.
24:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was definitely assumption that that stuck out to
24:08
Speaker 2: me was like, as someone who does do this, it's
24:13
Speaker 2: so frustrating sometimes it's just like a lot of work.
24:17
Speaker 2: I don't think, because I did love that they showed
24:21
Speaker 2: the making of the like tamal is and the making
24:23
Speaker 2: of the spring rolls and like kind of it was
24:26
Speaker 2: more communal than I'm used to, And so I don't
24:30
Speaker 2: say there's necessarily anything wrong with that, because I do
24:33
Speaker 2: think there is something like a sort of bonding that
24:36
Speaker 2: happens over that. But I don't I hate the like
24:40
Speaker 2: assumption you'll do it, and the like not caring, like
24:44
Speaker 2: not being at least somewhat like this took a lot
24:46
Speaker 2: of work. I had to plan all of this, I
24:49
Speaker 2: had to do all of this right now. The turkeys
24:53
Speaker 2: on the floor.
24:54
Speaker 1: Like yeah. And the person during that Williams dinner was
24:59
Speaker 1: the friend the white wol and being the one that's like,
25:01
Speaker 1: this is so looks amazing, you did so amazing. She
25:04
Speaker 1: was the only one really complimenting the entire thing to
25:07
Speaker 1: the level it should be complimented. But it does remind
25:09
Speaker 1: me like my own home. We do come together because
25:12
Speaker 1: most of the children are grown uh, and they help
25:15
Speaker 1: with the food.
25:16
Speaker 2: I do not.
25:16
Speaker 1: I'm the one who brings like the rolls and the
25:18
Speaker 1: dessert and the the cokes and the drinks. Rather, yes,
25:22
Speaker 1: I'm very suddent the cokes. We recently my partner has
25:24
Speaker 1: proved himself as a cook, so it has now become
25:27
Speaker 1: a part of that too. And the last time we went,
25:30
Speaker 1: he went and helped in the kitchen and whatever. I
25:33
Speaker 1: was helping too, like we were both in there, but
25:35
Speaker 1: they were just like kind of like Jimmy, They're like, whoa, yeah,
25:39
Speaker 1: what are you doing in here?
25:40
Speaker 2: Are you?
25:41
Speaker 1: You want to help? Like to that level, and all
25:44
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, yeah, I guess I got a good
25:48
Speaker 1: And then moving on the matriarchy. Obviously the overlaying the
25:51
Speaker 1: plot of the entire thing, whether they're steering the conversation,
25:55
Speaker 1: they're steering the mood, they're steering the dinner, and or
25:59
Speaker 1: disappoint however you want to look at it.
26:01
Speaker 2: They were.
26:01
Speaker 1: They were the main focus of the entire thing. We
26:04
Speaker 1: had men coming in trying to be men, but the
26:07
Speaker 1: women pretty much, whether it was the grandma too, so
26:10
Speaker 1: the wind family, it was the grandma, like the grandpa
26:13
Speaker 1: was sitting there watching Pamaway and orson which I did appreciate. Yeah, yes,
26:19
Speaker 1: as a whole throwback, but like, you know, the grandma
26:23
Speaker 1: wasn't there comforting the kids, helping with the dinner, making
26:26
Speaker 1: sure everybody was okay, Like she was a big part
26:28
Speaker 1: of that too.
26:29
Speaker 2: M m. Yeah, yeah, it definitely was kind of you
26:35
Speaker 2: had the the woman leading the family on this day
26:40
Speaker 2: and trying to bring the family together. It was interesting
26:43
Speaker 2: to me because I feel like my family dynamics are
26:46
Speaker 2: very different. Like maybe actually, maybe it's just me. I
26:50
Speaker 2: can't imagine telling my mom I wasn't coming home for
26:52
Speaker 2: the holidays. I did it once. I did it once,
26:58
Speaker 2: and I made a meal for her to tell her
27:02
Speaker 2: that I wasn't like a fancy.
27:05
Speaker 1: Meal of a different dynamic because you are a smaller family. Yeah,
27:10
Speaker 1: so then that makes a little bit of a difference.
27:12
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's still like a different part for you too. Yeah,
27:15
Speaker 1: I was thinking too. With like the Villa family, she
27:18
Speaker 1: makes everything. She might not be the loud one that
27:22
Speaker 1: takes over the conversation, but she quietly maintains so She's
27:25
Speaker 1: still welcoming to Hobby even though she was like, I
27:27
Speaker 1: don't want him here, right, She didn't ask for permission
27:30
Speaker 1: for Daniel to be there, but Daniel showed up and
27:32
Speaker 1: she made she be like you're ready, like doing all
27:34
Speaker 1: those things. She was ridiculously reserved for that situation.
27:39
Speaker 2: To me, oh, I was outraged. I was outraged on
27:42
Speaker 2: her behalf. I was like, these dudes suck in your life?
27:48
Speaker 1: Are these men? Why? For the williams Audrey was completely
27:53
Speaker 1: by herself with the in law hosting the in law
27:55
Speaker 1: as well, which has been a big conversation. There was
27:58
Speaker 1: a reason video and techtok where a dude was like,
28:01
Speaker 1: I'm bringing to my mom. She's like, no, you're not
28:02
Speaker 1: her grandma. He's like, no, you're not unless you're willing
28:05
Speaker 1: to take care of her because if not, I'm going
28:06
Speaker 1: to be the one taking care of her. On top
28:08
Speaker 1: of so we are not agreed, like there are so
28:10
Speaker 1: many He's like, I'm men at this house. She's like, no,
28:12
Speaker 1: I'm taking care of this house. So but this level
28:14
Speaker 1: like who's taking care of whom and who responsibility and
28:17
Speaker 1: who it always falls on no matter what, Maybe the
28:19
Speaker 1: conversation not that, like it's a taxing thing to have
28:23
Speaker 1: to double women. And then if you're like opposition and
28:26
Speaker 1: it feels like you're competing with each other, which that's
28:28
Speaker 1: what this felt like. It could become a problem, which
28:32
Speaker 1: of course.
28:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've said this before in my family, and I
28:46
Speaker 2: feel like a lot of families. My mom would cook
28:49
Speaker 2: the whole thing and then a man, not always my dad,
28:54
Speaker 2: a man would come in and he would cut the turkey.
28:57
Speaker 2: And it would be like, look at what he's done
28:59
Speaker 2: in one year. Literally that man cut his hand and
29:03
Speaker 2: bled all in the turkey. So now my mom does it.
29:07
Speaker 2: She does it fine, like it's just annoying, Like I'm
29:09
Speaker 2: not saying she should have to do it, but I
29:11
Speaker 2: hate that, Like I shall come in after you've cooked
29:15
Speaker 2: all this thing, and I will present.
29:16
Speaker 1: Them, right, I will to what I provided.
29:19
Speaker 2: Yes, she's just capable of doing it without bleeding.
29:25
Speaker 1: That's funny, I'll say, I don't think you've ever had that.
29:28
Speaker 1: It's always been sliced, ready to go, like that's never
29:30
Speaker 1: been a ceremony, like if the ceremonies us coming around,
29:32
Speaker 1: which the whole prayer sequence was quite funny too, yes,
29:35
Speaker 1: but like still having the whole prayer around the table,
29:38
Speaker 1: like that's what happened, but everything's ready to go, like
29:40
Speaker 1: there's no ceremony to cutting the turkey. So I found
29:43
Speaker 1: that I alsought that was just a movie thing and
29:45
Speaker 1: last people actually did that.
29:47
Speaker 2: No, in a different podcast, but it dates back to
29:49
Speaker 2: like the eighteen hundreds and man being like, look, I
29:52
Speaker 2: can provide for my family.
29:55
Speaker 1: I cut things. Which speaking of yeah, part of the
29:58
Speaker 1: theme again is men's suck, especially barely during the holidays.
30:04
Speaker 1: And I say this was again as my partner, he
30:07
Speaker 1: is great, like he as in fact, I'm like, yeah,
30:10
Speaker 1: my parents never expected me. My mother never expected me
30:12
Speaker 1: to cook. She just expected me to bring like additional
30:14
Speaker 1: things and help. Like now that like he's on board.
30:17
Speaker 1: She's like, okay, yeah he can bring this food. I
30:19
Speaker 1: was like, wait, what you never asked me? What is this?
30:24
Speaker 1: I mean in the end, it's fine. I'm a little
30:25
Speaker 1: low key offended, but not over the top offended, but like, yeah,
30:30
Speaker 1: that men suck in general. The cheating that was just
30:33
Speaker 1: thrown out there like it was just no big deal,
30:35
Speaker 1: Like what the hell?
30:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, like several instances now we're not talking about wood,
30:41
Speaker 2: we're talking about molds.
30:43
Speaker 1: A couple a couple of instances, yes, but yes we
30:49
Speaker 1: have that. And then we have Javier who thinks he
30:51
Speaker 1: could just come back in. He's like, I made a mistake.
30:53
Speaker 1: It was just a flip. It was not a big deal.
30:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then like him getting mad and then the
30:59
Speaker 2: son Tony, but like he's a kid, I will give
31:02
Speaker 2: him a little leeway. I'm sure it wasn't easy, but
31:04
Speaker 2: also like he was trying to guilt his mom, like
31:06
Speaker 2: we're ruining this holiday.
31:09
Speaker 1: I mean he just come back to apologize. And I
31:11
Speaker 1: wonder if they just didn't understand the theme of it,
31:14
Speaker 1: and so came to the end like is it supposed
31:16
Speaker 1: to be? Like this is this how you're supposed to act?
31:19
Speaker 1: Because like the men went after Hobby to bring him back,
31:21
Speaker 1: all the women were like nah.
31:22
Speaker 2: Bye, yeah, all the women. They literally have a scene
31:26
Speaker 2: where all the women are on one side and all
31:28
Speaker 2: the men.
31:33
Speaker 1: But yeah, Like it literally was that to the point
31:35
Speaker 1: that even Tony, who we talk about, the kid who
31:37
Speaker 1: invited the dad, uh, was like getting from his wife
31:42
Speaker 1: because his wife was mad at him for doing all that.
31:44
Speaker 1: She's like, hmmm, when do you do it?
31:46
Speaker 2: No, You're not even gonna ask her or tell her
31:51
Speaker 2: he's coming.
31:52
Speaker 1: Like the entire time, I was like, well, you know what,
31:54
Speaker 1: I like that they banned together for the mother because yeah, yes,
31:58
Speaker 1: the ladies they got it again.
32:02
Speaker 2: If they had ended up together, I was gonna be so.
32:04
Speaker 2: I think there was a moment where you're like, oh wait,
32:08
Speaker 2: oh no, but she's.
32:09
Speaker 1: Sur passive like that Jimmy, seemingly even though she's not.
32:12
Speaker 1: It was all but I think it was just also
32:14
Speaker 1: that that sound like strength, the quiet strength that just
32:19
Speaker 1: like hmm, I'm not even gonna play into this to
32:22
Speaker 1: be dramatic about it. Let's just move on, like this
32:25
Speaker 1: is how little it's being to me, And then we
32:27
Speaker 1: have I guess the LGBTQ. I don't know if like
32:30
Speaker 1: it was a sidemark or supposed to be diversity.
32:40
Speaker 2: It was interesting because it's weird when you watch something
32:47
Speaker 2: from like the two thousands and you feel that we've
32:52
Speaker 2: come so far since, and we have, but it's also
32:55
Speaker 2: strange that I'm like, this could very well easily still happen.
32:59
Speaker 2: It was like very strange thing where I felt like
33:04
Speaker 2: they were trying to be It's like they tried they
33:07
Speaker 2: did a search on all of the problems you could
33:10
Speaker 2: have at Thanksgiving, and they were like, okay, one is
33:14
Speaker 2: this queer aspect, so let's put that in there, which
33:20
Speaker 2: is true. It just felt very it felt very dated
33:25
Speaker 2: and also relevant, if that makes right right.
33:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it absolutely did. Between like the having
33:32
Speaker 1: the child and then being like that's okay, people do
33:35
Speaker 1: that nowadays, mom Like that. That being said, that was
33:38
Speaker 1: hilarious to me. To the discovery that it was the
33:41
Speaker 1: brother who did them, the brother cousin. I don't know
33:44
Speaker 1: what he was. I thought it was the brother, but
33:45
Speaker 1: then maybe I mixed that one up. I was a
33:48
Speaker 1: donor and then he was gay, like they out him
33:51
Speaker 1: as well.
33:51
Speaker 2: It's like, well damn, yeah, they definitely outed them very.
33:55
Speaker 1: Quickly, like the's on the edge about whether or not.
33:59
Speaker 1: And then the fact that she's having a baby instead
34:01
Speaker 1: of being happy, just being confused. I was like, what's okay?
34:05
Speaker 2: But okay, baby was a surprise. I was not expecting
34:09
Speaker 2: the baby to come up.
34:11
Speaker 1: The gunpit was a surprise. It was quite a bit
34:14
Speaker 1: of surprises. I have to wonder because it's not way
34:18
Speaker 1: off again though it still does I'm like, yeah, she's
34:22
Speaker 1: a UK based person doing this movie. I wonder, like
34:27
Speaker 1: what I really want to sit down, whether it'd be
34:29
Speaker 1: like why why thanksci me? Why for families? Why these
34:35
Speaker 1: things in LA specifically like can we because it's like
34:40
Speaker 1: she's not completely she's not wrong, as in fact, I
34:44
Speaker 1: know a lot of Asian games were pretty are pretty rampant,
34:49
Speaker 1: were pretty ramped in LA. A lot of things were happening,
34:53
Speaker 1: so it wasn't way off. And then as well as
34:54
Speaker 1: the fact like they are culturally appropriating a lot of
35:00
Speaker 1: things as well. I was like, okay at the beginning,
35:03
Speaker 1: saying with a kid having the conversation in the mirror,
35:06
Speaker 1: trying to be quote unquote tough, say I'm putting quote
35:11
Speaker 1: my own quotes around it, but like it had memorials
35:14
Speaker 1: like so I can't tell if this is inflated in
35:18
Speaker 1: the ideas of what she thinks of LA or if
35:20
Speaker 1: it's too on points. But there's also two thousands and
35:24
Speaker 1: I was like graduating high school, going to college, so
35:28
Speaker 1: I had a completely different world in Georgia.
35:31
Speaker 2: The butterfly pins, oh my gosh, there were butterfly clips
35:34
Speaker 2: in this movie. I also say, like it was interesting
35:38
Speaker 2: to see the with the son Michael and his dad Ronald,
35:46
Speaker 2: when Michael outs his dad for cheating. Yeah, I think, like,
35:51
Speaker 2: I think that's an interesting thing that happens a lot
35:53
Speaker 2: in these family gatherings too, where you're trying to as
35:58
Speaker 2: a family hold it together and maybe keep these things secret,
36:01
Speaker 2: and then they come out and like who decides when
36:04
Speaker 2: it comes out? And then when the mother in law
36:07
Speaker 2: was like, oh, you have to stay together like those,
36:10
Speaker 2: I have seen all of this. I have seen all
36:13
Speaker 2: of this, and it's just interesting. I feel like a
36:15
Speaker 2: lot of times we all have those, you know. I
36:19
Speaker 2: think I read a joke about this the other day,
36:21
Speaker 2: like it's not Thanksgiving unless one person refuses to come,
36:25
Speaker 2: Like we have these these dramas in our family, and
36:30
Speaker 2: these just just unresolved, unresolved things, and then you come
36:38
Speaker 2: together for a holiday and you're trying to make it
36:40
Speaker 2: look like you're a good family, good family, a perfect family,
36:43
Speaker 2: like nothing is wrong, but something is clearly wrong right,
36:48
Speaker 2: Like you're not talking about you're not being honest with
36:50
Speaker 2: each other right.
36:51
Speaker 1: And then there was a whole bit with that little
36:53
Speaker 1: Williams family. I was like, why is that why dude
36:56
Speaker 1: butting in about his son? He needs to shut up,
37:00
Speaker 1: Like I was getting annoyed with that. You want to
37:03
Speaker 1: pick a fight at someone else's house? Yeah, that was
37:08
Speaker 1: like even if he was wrong, I had been like,
37:10
Speaker 1: excuse me, this is not this is family business. You
37:12
Speaker 1: need to shut it right. I can't take that. Not
37:16
Speaker 1: a lie. Yeah, so there you go. What a roller coaster,
37:22
Speaker 1: A very succinct but very displaced. Like both of those
37:26
Speaker 1: things happened in these movies.
37:28
Speaker 2: Yes, in this movie Weather, it was not what I
37:31
Speaker 2: was expecting. And hats off to my friend who's the
37:36
Speaker 2: last ten minutes? Are they okay? Yes? I did get
37:42
Speaker 2: a text for her this morning that was like, I
37:44
Speaker 2: had very weird dreams and I blame you, And I
37:46
Speaker 2: was like, between the two things, will take that. I
37:49
Speaker 2: think that's fair. I don't think I'm going to watch
37:53
Speaker 2: some of those others you suggested. I'm curious.
37:55
Speaker 1: I don't have watched any of them. I had anest
37:58
Speaker 1: to you, I feel and I'm gonna have to go
38:00
Speaker 1: back to because.
38:03
Speaker 2: So interesting.
38:04
Speaker 1: There was a Holly Hunter movie. There's a Katie Holmes
38:06
Speaker 1: movie and I can't remember it.
38:08
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