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Vermont Was an Independent Republic · Ridiculous History

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome, and thank you for lending
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Speaker 1: your ears ridiculous historians. I'd like to begin today's episode
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Speaker 1: with an excellent trivia question. I think this will work. No,
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Speaker 1: your fan of trivia. I'm a huge fan of trivia,
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Speaker 1: hit me Ben, all right? Oh yeah, that's right. I've
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Speaker 1: been a jurnal I forget that part, sometimes accomplished it. Yeah. So,
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Speaker 1: so here's the trivia which US states where once upon
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Speaker 1: a time independent countries of their own countries. You say,
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Speaker 1: well countries. There's there's the Kingdom of Hawaii, There's the
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Speaker 1: California Republic. There's Texas as well, which is still very
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Speaker 1: proud of that period in their history. They're trying to
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Speaker 1: turn back the clock in fact. And there's one that
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Speaker 1: might surprise many people, and that is Vermont. Vermont. You say,
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Speaker 1: home of Ben and Jerry's Bernie Sanders, Bernie Sanders, fish trees, right,
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Speaker 1: I think fish is from Vermont and the bandits. I
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Speaker 1: thought we were just now naming things. Yea, yeah, Fish.
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Speaker 1: You know famous Jim Jimmy Jam Newdley guitar guys. Apparently
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Speaker 1: they got together at the University of Vermont in Burlington.
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Speaker 1: I can see that meeting. Maybe they said, you know
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Speaker 1: what I hate when songs are less than twenty minutes long. No, man, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's funny too, because like the people that are really
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Speaker 1: into that band are like, dude, did you hear that
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Speaker 1: one show they played like the longest ever version of
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Speaker 1: slippy Dip. Yeah, that's a that's a fish song I
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Speaker 1: just made up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's uh it's up
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Speaker 1: there with um problem Yep, I think it's off there.
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Speaker 1: That's a concept out. Only only real music heads will
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Speaker 1: will get that reference fisheads, the only real fish heads, uh,
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Speaker 1: real music of ficionados like our man on the Ones
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Speaker 1: and twos Ladies and gentleman super producer Casey Pegram. No,
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Speaker 1: have you ever been to Vermont? No? But it seems
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Speaker 1: glorious and it's I mean beautiful. It's very green, um,
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Speaker 1: and it just seems kind of like a bit of
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Speaker 1: a of a liberal paradise, you know. It's often portrayed
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Speaker 1: that way. It's also very popular with nature lovers as
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Speaker 1: long as she don't mind a little cold. Yeah. And
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Speaker 1: one other fun trivia fact that I don't know will
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Speaker 1: either fascinate you in a weird way the way it
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Speaker 1: did me or just seem completely irrelevant unless you're playing
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Speaker 1: a game of trivia. Is the following. Of all the
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Speaker 1: US state capitals, the capital of Vermont, Montpelier is the
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Speaker 1: only one in the nation to not have a McDonald's.
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Speaker 1: I think you mean Montpierre call, and that is Casey
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Speaker 1: on the Case crushing me. Well. The interesting thing here
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Speaker 1: is that for most of us in the modern day,
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Speaker 1: whether in the US were abroad, you know, I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: be surprised if a lot of people outside of the
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Speaker 1: US haven't really heard much about Vermont. It's not one
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Speaker 1: of those states like New York or California that seems
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Speaker 1: to be in the news every single day. No, No,
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Speaker 1: it's definitely not. Because it feels like there's sort of
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Speaker 1: a little enclave, a little island in the stream. Uh,
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Speaker 1: sort of an oasis, right, Yeah, because not only just Montpellier. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: not bad, Okay, Casey on the case, um not having McDonald's.
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Speaker 1: In fact, in all of Vermont billboards, my friend, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're not going to find a one unless they're hand painted,
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Speaker 1: because they are outlawed. They are for boating, hand painted,
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Speaker 1: and I think showing the way to downtown or something
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Speaker 1: like that. It's pretty specific. But we're not here to
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Speaker 1: just list off trivia facts about Vermont, which you can
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Speaker 1: find at fifty States dot com slash fact slash Vermont
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Speaker 1: dot htm. By the way, if you want to, you know,
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Speaker 1: read some more of these. Yeah. Instead, we are here
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Speaker 1: to explore the story of Vermont's history, or as some
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Speaker 1: people called it, once upon a time, New Connecticut, New Connecticut,
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Speaker 1: new Connecticut. I like Vermont. I like Vermont too. I'm
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Speaker 1: I'm a little I don't know. Every time I read
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Speaker 1: something about a region or a state named new something,
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Speaker 1: I always think, surely there was out of all the
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Speaker 1: sounds human mouth can make, surely you could have made
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Speaker 1: something that wasn't new. Total blah blah blah. It's like
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Speaker 1: you know when you have a Chinese restaurant where it's
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Speaker 1: like ming Wat two or like new New Mingwa. Right, right,
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Speaker 1: let's just come on or we're both pretty big Mitchell
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Speaker 1: and web Look fans also peep Show. They've got this
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Speaker 1: great running sketch that addresses how, at least in their opinion,
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Speaker 1: how how newly colonized places acquired these strange names, like
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Speaker 1: New South Wales. It's a pretty weird name for Australia,
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Speaker 1: you know, the Australian Well, and I'm confused because we're
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Speaker 1: gonna talk about you know, before people shred us apart
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Speaker 1: for not getting to the damn point. Um, we are
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Speaker 1: going to talk about the history of Vermont and where
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Speaker 1: it came from. But I am confused about Connecticut because
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Speaker 1: Vermont's not even not near Connecticut. Well yeah, no, no,
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Speaker 1: it's it's the New Connecticut. I just like New Coke.
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Speaker 1: It's it's confused. I know, I know. But here's the thing.
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Speaker 1: Back in the day, in the olden days, just before
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Speaker 1: the American Revolution, in fact, when we were still colonies
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Speaker 1: of mother Mother England, Um, there were land grants given out,
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Speaker 1: or the privilege of granting settlers parcels of land, and
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Speaker 1: those were at the behest of the rulers, I guess,
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Speaker 1: or was there maybe there's the ban and I don't
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Speaker 1: know of of of established colonies, right the colonial government structure.
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Speaker 1: There you go, New York being one of them, and
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Speaker 1: New Hampshire being another, New Hampshire being another. So there
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Speaker 1: was this thing called the New Hampshire land Grants, and
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Speaker 1: of that what became modern day Vermont was included. But
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Speaker 1: there was a problem, Ben, because it was like New
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Speaker 1: York was giving out land willy Nilly and New Hampshire
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Speaker 1: was giving out land willy Nilly, and they were giving
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Speaker 1: out the same land. They were double bookings. So yes,
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Speaker 1: So let's say you want to settle in what would
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Speaker 1: later become known as Vermont, and you go to the
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Speaker 1: designated place that you have been granted, right, and you
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Speaker 1: find that there's already someone living there and they think, well, hey, buddy,
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Speaker 1: what gives what's your beef? You know, why are you
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Speaker 1: where are you beefing up with me? I also have
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Speaker 1: this land grant And they go, well, I have one
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Speaker 1: from New York, Well I have one from New Hampshire.
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Speaker 1: Not not a good look. And then what do they
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Speaker 1: just duke it out? So this is a this is
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Speaker 1: a recipe for chaos, my friend. So what happens next?
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Speaker 1: Can we talk about the Green Mountain Boys? I would
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Speaker 1: love to talk about the Green Mountain Boys and Ethan
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Speaker 1: Allen their leader. Yeah, not to be confused with the uh,
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Speaker 1: the furniture proprietarire, right right? Maybe it is the same.
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Speaker 1: Is it the same? We'll have to find out. I
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Speaker 1: don't buy a lot of Ethan ell and furniture. I
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Speaker 1: don't buy all my furniture is from Chao. Yes, that's
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Speaker 1: the correct pronunciation. So the Green Mountain Boys were a
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Speaker 1: militia that was first established in the seventeen sixties in
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Speaker 1: the territory between New York and New Hampshire. They were
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Speaker 1: an unofficial militia too, are an unsanctioned militia, which I
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Speaker 1: kind of always do. I hear the word militia, I
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Speaker 1: always kind of think it's people deciding we're gonna, you know,
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Speaker 1: joined forces and become a little mini army. Right, it
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Speaker 1: never seems like they're particularly sanctioned. But I guess that's
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Speaker 1: not true. That's not true in every case. It's just
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Speaker 1: in in the US nowadays. Usually when we hear the
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Speaker 1: term militia, we think of separatist forces in the US.
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Speaker 1: Right there you go. So at this time, as revolutionary
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Speaker 1: war is kicking into full steam, it's all hands on
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Speaker 1: deck if you want to fight the British. The colonial
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Speaker 1: powers are not going to say no to you. And
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Speaker 1: the Green Mountain Boys make a name for themselves during
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Speaker 1: the war. They do, I mean, they're their primary goal
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Speaker 1: was to defend these uh folks who received land grants
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Speaker 1: from New Hampshire against the ones that got them from
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Speaker 1: New York, who they referred to as the Yorky's or
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Speaker 1: the Yorkers. I think it's Yorky's that sounds a little
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Speaker 1: more like a term of abuse. I'm going with Yorkies.
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Speaker 1: Let's go come at me, Internet, Let's go with Yorkis
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Speaker 1: because Yorkers, you know, it just it sounds like the
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Speaker 1: term for the people from York. We're talking about New
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Speaker 1: York exactly. But that was their thing. So the Green
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Speaker 1: Mountain Boys formed, as as you said, Noel to protect
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Speaker 1: people in New Hampshire grants. They also performed pretty well
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Speaker 1: in the Revolutionary War, most notably when they captured Fort
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Speaker 1: Ticonderoga on May tenth of seventeen seventy five, and then
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Speaker 1: later also they invaded Canada technically, or more specifically, they
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Speaker 1: briefly held St. John's in Quebec, but then when they
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Speaker 1: heard that British regulars, British military was coming, they dipped
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Speaker 1: and they later became oh you know what, I've got
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Speaker 1: to interrupt, Casey is gonna kill us if we don't
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Speaker 1: mention the etymology of Green Mountains. Oh it's true. Well
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Speaker 1: they're there, Okay, so there's a couple of things here. Um.
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Speaker 1: The Green Mountain Boys took their name because they were
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Speaker 1: protecting um folks who had these disputed land grants. They
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Speaker 1: received it from Hampshire, Um, but New York said that
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Speaker 1: New Hampshire had no rights to lands west of the
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Speaker 1: Green Mountains. And so the Green Mountain Boys Green Mountain Boys,
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Speaker 1: and also Vermont itself is a is a mispronunciation or
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Speaker 1: miss translation of a French word. And I propose that
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Speaker 1: we consult our own Francophone ladies and gentlemen. It's casey
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Speaker 1: on the case. Yeah, so Vermont would be from the
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Speaker 1: French there for green and mont for mountain so Vermont,
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Speaker 1: But the syntax is kind of done in the English style,
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Speaker 1: and French you would say mont vere, whereas in English
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Speaker 1: we put the adjective before the mountains. So, ladies and gentlemen,
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Speaker 1: case on the case. I'm so glad he's here the best,
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Speaker 1: so we're gonna miss him. Oh that's right, should we announced? Well,
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Speaker 1: let's get yeah, let's let's do our Our clue was
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Speaker 1: close friend. One of the best parts of the show
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Speaker 1: casey Pegram will be embarking on a grand adventure very soon.
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Speaker 1: He will return, but we're going to miss him. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but we've we've kind of twisted his arm off, Mike
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Speaker 1: Um in the hopes that he will send us some
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Speaker 1: sweet audio postcards from France. That's right, that's right. He
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Speaker 1: is traveling back to France for a while. So the
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Speaker 1: Green Mountain Boys, they were kind of terrorists in a
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Speaker 1: lot of ways, at least insomuch as they terrorized these
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Speaker 1: settlers who had the grants of land um from New York.
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Speaker 1: They apparently like would cattle russell, and they even were
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Speaker 1: known for beating the crap out of people with birch rods. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and it goes back to this idea of them being
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Speaker 1: kind of, I don't want to say knuckleheads, but very
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Speaker 1: much acting in their own interests rather than some greater
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Speaker 1: ideology of what we call the United States. And in
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Speaker 1: seventeen seventy seven they established their independence, but they didn't
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Speaker 1: partner up with New York, in partner up with New Hampshire, no, sir.
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Speaker 1: They became their own republic with their own currency, their
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Speaker 1: own flag, and the Green Mountain Boys, which we're still
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Speaker 1: we're still active, became just one of a number of
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Speaker 1: what we would call a regulars. Because Vermont initially supported
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Speaker 1: the Revolutionary War, they fought against Quebec, but in seventeen
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Speaker 1: seventy seven they got more of a neutral stance, and
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Speaker 1: deserters from the colonial armies as well as the British
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Speaker 1: armies would go to Vermont, and George Washington was asked
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Speaker 1: by Congress to go in and subdue Vermont, take take
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Speaker 1: possession of it. I seemed pretty subdued to me already. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Around the same time, some members of the Green Outain Boys,
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Speaker 1: not all of them, started having secret talks with British
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Speaker 1: officials in Quebec to say like, hey, do you want
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Speaker 1: to take over up? Let's boo up. Yeah, But that
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Speaker 1: didn't work out because Quebec wanted to see how this
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Speaker 1: whole revolution thing was gonna shake out. That's right, and
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Speaker 1: you know you would are we could argue that. Fortunately
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Speaker 1: for US as a nation, Vermont state a part of
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Speaker 1: the United States, but not yet, not yet because it's
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Speaker 1: seventeen seventy seven, so they're still independent for a few years,
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Speaker 1: had their own constitution even yeah, adopted off the one
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Speaker 1: Benjamin Franklin wrote for Pennsylvania, and this constitution was very
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Speaker 1: progressive for its timon forward facing. It had some guarantees
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Speaker 1: that the rest of the United States had had not legislated. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and you know that now when we talk about this,
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Speaker 1: this theme is like, uh, but that all men men
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Speaker 1: could vote, even if they weren't property owners. And they
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Speaker 1: also were very progressive, and that they outlawed um adult slavery.
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Speaker 1: And I always see that, does that mean child slavery
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Speaker 1: was still okay? Right, Yeah, that's a that's a troubling caveat.
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Speaker 1: But still they were outlawing slavery in some form. That's
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Speaker 1: more than we can say for the rest of the country.
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Speaker 1: That is true. When they were voting on this constitution,
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Speaker 1: it was described as a baptism of thunder lightning and
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Speaker 1: rain because the weather was really bad and they got
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Speaker 1: stuck inside. And let's let's talk about a few of
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Speaker 1: the things they did at once they became an independent republic.
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Speaker 1: We we said they had their own flags. What else
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Speaker 1: did they They also had their own currency, which was
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Speaker 1: called Vermont copper. Since uh sounds very British to me.
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Speaker 1: They were they were made of course in Vermont. Vermont
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Speaker 1: also operated a postal system, that's right, grew their own food,
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Speaker 1: They had their own roads. They were ready to go
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Speaker 1: it alone, but they were still they were still in
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Speaker 1: conflict with New York. Yeah, oh big time, because I
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Speaker 1: mean New York was pretty sore about them having uh
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Speaker 1: just kind of beauguarded those land grants that they felt
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Speaker 1: like they had the rights to and those pesky green
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Speaker 1: mountain boys whipping their their folks with their birch rods.
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Speaker 1: That wasn't gonna fly, right, Yeah, And eventually it comes
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Speaker 1: down to a matter of negotiations. Right. So, for around
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Speaker 1: fourteen years, Vermont is this tremendous anomaly in the northeastern
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Speaker 1: part of what would later become known as the United States,
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Speaker 1: and they were still they were still in conflict with
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Speaker 1: New York in an unsustainable situation. But things began to
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Speaker 1: get back on the rails, back on track in March
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Speaker 1: of s when New York and Vermont cracked a deal. Well,
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Speaker 1: this is when the Revolution had come to an end, right,
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Speaker 1: and territories or calls were being made into states. And
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Speaker 1: I guess because of the contentious nature of their relationship
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Speaker 1: during the Wild West period that was the Revolutionary War,
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Speaker 1: new York and Vermont had to come to terms before uh,
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Speaker 1: New York would consent to Vermont being made a state.
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Speaker 1: Not that it was entirely up to them, but they
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Speaker 1: certainly were making a stink about it, right, don't tell
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Speaker 1: me they give me the DS here. So it's that
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Speaker 1: same boundary dispute that was dogging them for so long.
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Speaker 1: The fact that the Green Mountain Boys were operating as
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Speaker 1: a de facto government meant that they were also part
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Speaker 1: of the negotiation process here. And so New York and
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Speaker 1: Vermont's got together. They had a group of people representing
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Speaker 1: the New York site of the argument and group representing
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Speaker 1: the Vermont side, and they said, we are going to
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Speaker 1: negotiate the boundary. We need to know where New York
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Speaker 1: stops and Vermont begins. The folks negotiating on Vermont side said,
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Speaker 1: we also have to settle the these real estate disputes.
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Speaker 1: We cannot leave those to be decided by a larger court.
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Speaker 1: Let's one on one figure this out. That seems smart
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Speaker 1: because there's so many more variables that could happen if
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Speaker 1: it goes into a federal court. What a nasty situation.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like the New Hampshire grant recipients
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Speaker 1: having these rabble rousing Green Mountain Boys on their side.
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Speaker 1: Um certainly helped them out during the time. But think
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Speaker 1: about it from New York's perspective, I mean, what did
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Speaker 1: they do wrong. They have the same claim as New
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Speaker 1: Hampshire did as far as they were concerned, and you know,
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Speaker 1: they're they probably felt a little rightfully sore about the
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Speaker 1: whole situation, physically sore from their bottoms and being hit
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Speaker 1: with switches and fiscally sore on their uh and their
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Speaker 1: bank accounts or their purses. You know, they're their sacks
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Speaker 1: of coppers. So they eventually, thank goodness, crack a deal.
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Speaker 1: And on October seven, they announced as a group that
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Speaker 1: the negotiations are done and it's a success. And the
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Speaker 1: bottom line is that the Green Mountain people are going
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Speaker 1: to be able to keep the land grants that were
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Speaker 1: issued the land that was issued to them via New Hampshire,
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Speaker 1: and the New Yorkers are not going to get these
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Speaker 1: New York patents. The yorkis the Yorkies are not receiving this. Instead,
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Speaker 1: Vermont is going to pay thirty thousand dollars to New York.
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Speaker 1: Thirty thousand dollars in seventeen ninety will inflate in a
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Speaker 1: second and this will be distributed amidst the yorkis New
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Speaker 1: York residents who you know rightfully feel like they got
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Speaker 1: their land stolen. And thirty thousand dollars in seventeen ninety
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Speaker 1: is a big number, but it's not as surprising as
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Speaker 1: I would have assumed. Thirty thousand dollars in seventeen ninety
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Speaker 1: is uh, seven hundred and ninety thousand dollars approximately, not
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Speaker 1: that impressive that it seems like a pretty good deal,
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Speaker 1: to be honest at lee, it does because that's an
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Speaker 1: entire state, you know what I mean, that's a great deal.
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Speaker 1: You can't go by a state for a million dollars today,
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Speaker 1: just the district. And so eventually Vermont is admitted to
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Speaker 1: the Union in seventeen nine one. It's interesting because it's
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Speaker 1: the only state admitted without conditions of any kind, either
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Speaker 1: those prescribed by Congress or the state from which was
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Speaker 1: carved other than the k other than at thirty large. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: thirty was thirty hooligan, thirty thousand hooligans or thirty thousand biscuits. Yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: they're jeb jams or pony bones. What are we talking about.
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Speaker 1: We'll get to it in a second. But for now,
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Speaker 1: it's important to note that part of the reason Vermont
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Speaker 1: was accepted to the Union was to be a free
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Speaker 1: state counterweight to the slave state Kentucky. Woof. Indeed, so
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Speaker 1: this would be this would appear to be the short
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Speaker 1: lived tale of Vermont's career as an independent republic. But wait,
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Speaker 1: he said, there's more right right. You See, many philosophers
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Speaker 1: will tell you that time itself is a series of wheels,
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Speaker 1: and in our modern day, folks, it seems that the
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Speaker 1: wheel has turned again. In around two thousand three, a
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Speaker 1: movement became a foote Yes, yes, that is correct. Noel,
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Speaker 1: Professor emeritus of Economics at Duke University. A fellow named
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Speaker 1: Thomas H. Neylore founded the Second Vermont Republic movement, and
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Speaker 1: he argued that the US has become an ungovernable empire,
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Speaker 1: much like the former Soviet Union, and Naylor's description of
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Speaker 1: the Second Vermont Republic is a non violent citizens network
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Speaker 1: and think tank opposed to the tyranny of corporate America
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Speaker 1: and the US governed men and committed to the return
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Speaker 1: of Vermont to its status as an independent republic as
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Speaker 1: it had been between seventeen seventy seven and seventeen one.
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Speaker 1: He calls himself Naylor describes himself as a left leaning
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Speaker 1: libertarian with strong anarchist tendencies. Okay, there you have it.
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Speaker 1: Not pulling many punches, no, none, none punches. And in fact,
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Speaker 1: this movement has a manifesto. Um. And in the manifesto
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Speaker 1: they quote Thomas Jefferson himself. And it's really hard to
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Speaker 1: argue with this the words of the founding father um quote.
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Speaker 1: Whenever any form of government becomes destructive, it is the
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Speaker 1: right of the people to alter or to abolish it,
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Speaker 1: and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such
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Speaker 1: principles and organizing its powers in such form as to
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Speaker 1: them shall seem most likely to affect their safety and happiness. Um.
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Speaker 1: And here's the thing. They have a list of demands
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Speaker 1: and this manifesto that they want to achieve. Um. Shall
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Speaker 1: we go through them? Then? Sure. First, we find it
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Speaker 1: increasingly difficult to protect ourselves from the debilitating effects of
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Speaker 1: big government, big business, big markets, and big agriculture, who
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Speaker 1: want all of us to be the same and to
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Speaker 1: love bigness as much as they do. Second, in addition
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Speaker 1: to being too big, our government is too centralized, too powerful,
22:10
Speaker 1: too intrusive to materialistic, and too unresponsive to the needs
22:14
Speaker 1: of individual citizens and small communities. Third, the U. S
22:18
Speaker 1: Government has lost its moral authority because it has owned, operated,
22:21
Speaker 1: and controlled by Corporate America. National and congressional elections are
22:24
Speaker 1: bought and sold to the highest bidders. Fourth, we have
22:27
Speaker 1: a single political party, the Republican Party, disguised as a
22:31
Speaker 1: two party system. The Democratic Party is effectively brain dead,
22:34
Speaker 1: having no new ideas since the nineteen sixties that of
22:37
Speaker 1: Vermont accent. Now, I'm just I wanted to sound like
22:39
Speaker 1: a bunch of people reading it. Oh cool, I'm gonna
22:42
Speaker 1: be the one kind of angry semi guy. Five. We
22:45
Speaker 1: have become disillusioned with the so called American way, corporate greed,
22:49
Speaker 1: the war on terrorism, homeland security, the denial of civil liberties,
22:52
Speaker 1: pandering to the rich and powerful, environmental insensitivity, and the
22:55
Speaker 1: culture of deceit. Six. The American foreign policy, which is
23:00
Speaker 1: based on the doctrine of full spectrum dominances and moral illegal, unconstitutional,
23:05
Speaker 1: and in violation of the United Nations Charter. And it
23:08
Speaker 1: was like an old old man there. Seventh, as long
23:11
Speaker 1: as Vermont remains in the Union, we face the risk
23:13
Speaker 1: of terrorist attack and military conscription of our youth. Eight
23:17
Speaker 1: the U S suffers from imperial overstretching, has become unsustainable politically, economically, agriculturally, socially, culturally,
23:24
Speaker 1: and environmentally. It has become both ungovernable and unfixable. And
23:29
Speaker 1: that's where we get to the Jefferson quote. All of
23:31
Speaker 1: the stuff is in response to the actual constitution of
23:34
Speaker 1: the United States giving us an out in the event
23:37
Speaker 1: that these things, you know, come to pass, as the
23:41
Speaker 1: founders of this movement seem to think they have. And
23:44
Speaker 1: you can find information about this on multiple websites by
23:47
Speaker 1: several different authors, and they will make numerous arguments about
23:53
Speaker 1: I guess ver months capacity to be independent, to grow
23:56
Speaker 1: its own food, monitors population, uh, and a lot of
24:00
Speaker 1: the arguments that you'll see extended here are very progressive
24:05
Speaker 1: considering what the rest of the U S is doing,
24:07
Speaker 1: oh big time. And you know, there was a sense
24:10
Speaker 1: of this movement kind of faded a little bit from
24:13
Speaker 1: the public eye and from any you know, semblance of
24:16
Speaker 1: ever possibly coming to fruition. But with our current president,
24:20
Speaker 1: who you know, many folks of this kind of left
24:24
Speaker 1: leaning ideology have some real serious beef with there's a
24:28
Speaker 1: sense that who knows, you know, maybe this could happen
24:31
Speaker 1: because in an article from seven days Vermont's Independent Voice
24:36
Speaker 1: entitled if at first you don't secee, Trump could revitalize
24:40
Speaker 1: Vermont movement UM, there's a lot of discussion around the
24:43
Speaker 1: kind of resurgence of this movement. Yeah. Absolutely, that's They
24:48
Speaker 1: mentioned the Vermont Manifesto that we've talked about. They they
24:52
Speaker 1: have an argument of UM unsustainability right on the part
24:57
Speaker 1: of what they would call the American Empire. It's too large,
25:01
Speaker 1: it's too damaging to the people who are governed by this,
25:07
Speaker 1: and a lot of their claims. One of the claims
25:10
Speaker 1: are really stuck out to me, and this one is Uh.
25:13
Speaker 1: They talked a little bit about framing it. They said,
25:15
Speaker 1: you know, if you don't call it secession, if you
25:18
Speaker 1: don't call it separatism, if you don't call it secession
25:21
Speaker 1: and focus instead on values, Vermonsters will support you. And
25:26
Speaker 1: so that the idea there is that the residents of
25:29
Speaker 1: Vermont already feel that they are kind of separate. What
25:32
Speaker 1: does it take ben to secede. It's a it's a
25:38
Speaker 1: it's a rough one because you know, at numerous times,
25:41
Speaker 1: especially in you know, in the formation of the country,
25:45
Speaker 1: and sometimes in recent years, various groups of people have
25:49
Speaker 1: decided that they are a sovereign state. There was one
25:53
Speaker 1: here in Georgia a number of years ago called the
25:55
Speaker 1: Sovereign State of Georgia, or more in the south, the
25:59
Speaker 1: very create versus the creativity. They had their own licenses,
26:02
Speaker 1: they had their own license plates and stuff, and they
26:05
Speaker 1: were making their own currency, and they, like several other
26:09
Speaker 1: separatist groups, believed that they could become a sovereign nation
26:15
Speaker 1: just by claiming it and putting a sign up so
26:18
Speaker 1: that they have signs if the law, if law enforcement
26:21
Speaker 1: officials came to their area, there would be a sign
26:24
Speaker 1: that was like, this is not us property, this is
26:27
Speaker 1: the Sovereign State of Georgia. For misinformed, it's a little
26:32
Speaker 1: misinfford for no uh, foreign powers are allowed on this
26:39
Speaker 1: spoiler alerted. Never stopped the cops or the FBI or anything,
26:42
Speaker 1: because that's what would happen, right, What happened like if
26:45
Speaker 1: we decided, you know, with the the support of our
26:48
Speaker 1: entire state here in Georgia, that we were going to
26:50
Speaker 1: secede and we managed to that would require us establishing militias,
26:55
Speaker 1: I imagine, right, and becoming completely self sustaining and independent,
27:00
Speaker 1: where we could be cut off entirely for many um
27:03
Speaker 1: government assistance or any aid from the federal governments. Yeah,
27:08
Speaker 1: here's here's why it's tricky. Right now, the U. S.
27:12
Speaker 1: Supreme Court considers what they call unilateral secession unconstitutional. So
27:18
Speaker 1: if everybody in Vermont, just by themselves, only the state
27:22
Speaker 1: of Vermont, decided we're not part of this crazy continental
27:27
Speaker 1: house party, get me off this crazy thing. That was
27:31
Speaker 1: great George Jetson called love. That was so I married
27:35
Speaker 1: an ex murderer. I was pretty good. It was surprisingly good.
27:38
Speaker 1: Not that not my impression, but the film anyway. Because
27:42
Speaker 1: of a case called Texas versus White Uh, the Supreme
27:45
Speaker 1: Court says that states can't succeed succeed rather on their own. However,
27:51
Speaker 1: a if they get the agreement of other states constitutionally,
27:55
Speaker 1: it could be possible, like if one state wants to
27:58
Speaker 1: secee if if UM. Oklahoma, for some reason, says, we've
28:03
Speaker 1: had it. Even though we're surrounded by other states. We
28:07
Speaker 1: we we want to do our own thing, and the
28:09
Speaker 1: other forty nine states are all like totally man, It's
28:12
Speaker 1: it's just been weird for a while. And we're you know,
28:15
Speaker 1: ready for a change, we could still be friends. Then
28:19
Speaker 1: it could be possible if all the states agreed. That's
28:23
Speaker 1: never going to happen. Unlikely, That is highly unlikely. Would
28:26
Speaker 1: have to be like a perfect storm of things falling
28:29
Speaker 1: in place, like I don't know, I just I don't,
28:31
Speaker 1: I don't. There's really no mechanism to do it other
28:34
Speaker 1: than like pure revolt. Right, isn't that kind of what
28:37
Speaker 1: it would be considered to be open being an open revolt? Right,
28:40
Speaker 1: it would be, and if if it were again unilateral,
28:43
Speaker 1: But that's that's uh the case for a reason because
28:47
Speaker 1: countries don't typically countries or groups of states don't typically
28:52
Speaker 1: bake in that kind of secession. A lot of people
28:55
Speaker 1: also say that the uh second Vermont movement from an
29:00
Speaker 1: independence movement, has been um empowered by Brexit, the the
29:08
Speaker 1: process through which the UK is leaving the European Union.
29:12
Speaker 1: And that was a parliamentary procedure, I mean that was
29:15
Speaker 1: an official vote part of their democracy, right, Yeah, that was,
29:21
Speaker 1: and that's something that you member states can do if
29:24
Speaker 1: they want. But now they have a portmanteau for the
29:27
Speaker 1: Second Vermont thing that it is not super groundbreaking, but
29:32
Speaker 1: I love it. It's fun to say vexit. I was
29:35
Speaker 1: gonna say ver egsit ver meg is that that sounds
29:40
Speaker 1: like a pesticide. I'm into it ver exit. But um,
29:44
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, you know, do you think
29:48
Speaker 1: that this is a good idea? Do you think it's likely?
29:50
Speaker 1: I think it could happen. It seems a little self
29:53
Speaker 1: defeating to me. I don't know. Uh, they're theren't even
29:55
Speaker 1: manters out there that that are are down with this,
29:58
Speaker 1: cause that know a little bit more like on the
30:00
Speaker 1: ground info about the plan here. I'm interested because I
30:04
Speaker 1: really don't understand how it would functionally happen. And I
30:07
Speaker 1: see where they're coming from with a lot of the arguments.
30:10
Speaker 1: You know, they they have problems with overarching corporate governance.
30:14
Speaker 1: I hear that, right, you know. It's it's not like
30:17
Speaker 1: they're making some crazy claim like we were going to
30:20
Speaker 1: be an independent state with no Welsh residents or something. No, No,
30:25
Speaker 1: it's it's I mean, it's it's weird because it's like
30:28
Speaker 1: we they want to be separate, but it's very it's
30:31
Speaker 1: it's it's all about inclusion. It's weird. It's it's not
30:34
Speaker 1: like we're saying get out. It's saying we don't want
30:38
Speaker 1: to come in. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a stickiest situation.
30:42
Speaker 1: But I I think that you found the perfect way
30:46
Speaker 1: for us to end, or the perfect question for us
30:48
Speaker 1: to end this on. If you are from Vermont, if
30:51
Speaker 1: you were familiar with the place, let us know about
30:54
Speaker 1: your experience, and let us know if you support this, because,
30:59
Speaker 1: as we have often said, you are the most important
31:01
Speaker 1: part of the show. We want to hear about you,
31:03
Speaker 1: and we're putting our our bloody where our mike is.
31:08
Speaker 1: I guess we should do a listener mail. I think
31:16
Speaker 1: we should, alright, our first listener mail. This is sort
31:21
Speaker 1: of a heavy one. UM. We got an email to
31:24
Speaker 1: two emails about the the episode we did on banned Books,
31:27
Speaker 1: band science Books. UM. One of them. The subject was null.
31:31
Speaker 1: I was bummed. And here's how it goes. Hi, gentlemen,
31:34
Speaker 1: First of all, a huge fan of stuffing. I want
31:36
Speaker 1: you to know amarticulous history. I had a whole spiel
31:38
Speaker 1: in mind to counterpoint your dismissal of fruit cake, but
31:41
Speaker 1: I was in the middle of a long walk. I
31:43
Speaker 1: homeschool reluctant and anxious twelve year old and play your
31:45
Speaker 1: podcast in the car to keep the learning going strong.
31:49
Speaker 1: It's very cool, um, and I just thought this was
31:51
Speaker 1: the most thoughtful, sweet, intelligent email that we've gotten in
31:55
Speaker 1: a minute. And UM, but I was bummed to see
31:58
Speaker 1: that it was about a feeling of being disrespected and
32:02
Speaker 1: that that is never what we want to do on
32:03
Speaker 1: this show. So I'm just gonna give you the broad
32:05
Speaker 1: strokes here. I just listened to three times society refused
32:07
Speaker 1: to accept banned books and nol. I'm such a fan
32:10
Speaker 1: of your whole personality and Ben's and Matt's great things happening,
32:13
Speaker 1: but I was disappointed, um in the way you handled
32:16
Speaker 1: some things on that episode. I'm paraphrasing just a little bit. Um.
32:19
Speaker 1: She goes, Perhaps it's wishful thinking, but I submit that
32:23
Speaker 1: scorning people who hold their deep and personal faith and
32:26
Speaker 1: notch above the theory of evolution is becoming outmoded. When
32:30
Speaker 1: I lived on a street with several Hindu families last year,
32:32
Speaker 1: they had days set aside for sweeping the demons out
32:34
Speaker 1: of their homes right into the street, I must assume,
32:37
Speaker 1: and they kept images of terrifying faces over their front doors.
32:40
Speaker 1: This was the Dallas suburbs, USA, where we are free
32:42
Speaker 1: to practice our faith and hopefully a respectful environment. I
32:46
Speaker 1: know I respected by Hindu neighbors, though our beliefs differed.
32:49
Speaker 1: I'm a human being who deeply believes in God, loves
32:52
Speaker 1: my family, rights, useless pop songs, drinks whiskey, smokes when angry,
32:55
Speaker 1: and embroiders nonsense to just my child at home with
32:58
Speaker 1: such resources as Candy Freak by Steve Almond, your wonderful podcast,
33:02
Speaker 1: and Yes, the Bible. I married my husband in part
33:05
Speaker 1: for his vast record collection. Evolution, I don't know for sure,
33:08
Speaker 1: nor do I sweat it. God can do anything you wants,
33:10
Speaker 1: including making cryptids just to hide them for fun. It's
33:13
Speaker 1: a big world out there, don't forget. No need to
33:15
Speaker 1: assume everyone listening is just like you, and faith is
33:18
Speaker 1: so personal and so dear to people. Stay away from
33:21
Speaker 1: scorn and dismissiveness they unlike the decision not to worship
33:24
Speaker 1: Evolution are for the young and uninformed. I love you
33:27
Speaker 1: too much, am easy. So this specifically mentioning something that
33:33
Speaker 1: I said, and I feel like I took a bit
33:37
Speaker 1: of a tone in that episode that I regret. Um.
33:40
Speaker 1: I don't step back from my opinion, but I realized
33:43
Speaker 1: that it does seem like maybe it came across as
33:45
Speaker 1: I was criticizing Christianity, And I think the reason that
33:49
Speaker 1: I may have taken that tone because I grew up
33:51
Speaker 1: Christian and my relationship with Christianity is complicated, um, just
33:56
Speaker 1: like everyone's relationship with their faith can be complicated, and
33:59
Speaker 1: I think is a sense of it being on my
34:03
Speaker 1: turf and in my personal worldview. So maybe I felt
34:07
Speaker 1: a little quicker to get snarky about it. And I
34:10
Speaker 1: also didn't mean to equate directly the idea of not
34:13
Speaker 1: believing in evolution with being and somehow ignorant or uninformed.
34:19
Speaker 1: You know, there was I remember distinctly there was a
34:23
Speaker 1: moment in that podcast where we talked about, um, some Anglicans,
34:30
Speaker 1: Anglican individuals and organizations who did not feel that what
34:35
Speaker 1: Charles Darwin was writing about was contradictory or insulting to
34:39
Speaker 1: their faith. And one thing that you and I have
34:44
Speaker 1: always taken pains with, uh, not not just on this
34:48
Speaker 1: show but any show in our house of Works network.
34:52
Speaker 1: One thing you and I always taking pains to do
34:54
Speaker 1: is to you know, mentioned that faith is an intensely
34:57
Speaker 1: personal thing and where it's it's very important to us
35:02
Speaker 1: as as a unit not to tell you what to
35:05
Speaker 1: believe if it comes to you know your spiritual values. Absolutely,
35:10
Speaker 1: it's something that we hold very dear and and personally
35:14
Speaker 1: important to be as inclusive as possible when it comes
35:17
Speaker 1: to all faiths. And I think in this particular situation,
35:21
Speaker 1: my tone sort of betrayed my intention, UM, because of
35:25
Speaker 1: that complicated relationship I have with the Christian faith in
35:30
Speaker 1: like your own personal in my own personal life, I mean,
35:32
Speaker 1: I grew up in the Methodist Church and UM had
35:36
Speaker 1: was surrounded by people who I think I felt were
35:40
Speaker 1: a little bit judgmental, and we're not willing to see
35:44
Speaker 1: both sides of an argument. And maybe we're too willing
35:48
Speaker 1: to take everything in the Bible that face value rather
35:51
Speaker 1: than seeing things some things in the Bible as an
35:53
Speaker 1: allegory or some kind of descriptive story to help understand
35:58
Speaker 1: things like epics. And I'm and I don't know, how
36:01
Speaker 1: do you see it? Ben Well? I think first off,
36:05
Speaker 1: first off, as has longtime listeners know you and I
36:09
Speaker 1: are old friends outside of work too, and I can
36:14
Speaker 1: assure everyone listening that you're not Noel Brown is not
36:18
Speaker 1: a mean person, nor the type to UM You're not
36:22
Speaker 1: a guy who who mocks things that are you know,
36:26
Speaker 1: I don't think you ever come from a mean spirited
36:28
Speaker 1: place at all. And additionally, you know, we just have
36:32
Speaker 1: to return to the same point we we fundamentally do
36:39
Speaker 1: not believe in, nor do we practice telling people what
36:44
Speaker 1: spiritual paths they should take. They are your own. Here's
36:47
Speaker 1: the thing too, and then we'll leave it. The nature
36:50
Speaker 1: of the show. Obviously, it's a conversation between Ben, you
36:54
Speaker 1: and me, but it's also a conversation with the audience
36:57
Speaker 1: that they are not able to directly participate in at
37:00
Speaker 1: the moment. Even though my favorite podcast, I feel like
37:02
Speaker 1: I'm part of the conversation and I'm listening to people
37:05
Speaker 1: have a conversation that I am kind of um vicariously experiencing.
37:10
Speaker 1: If I were to hang out with amy Z and
37:13
Speaker 1: have this conversation and express my opinions on evolution as
37:17
Speaker 1: they pertain to faith, et cetera, there would be a
37:20
Speaker 1: dialogue going on, as opposed to I think an interpretation
37:24
Speaker 1: that I was being intentionally condescending, where I think in
37:28
Speaker 1: a real conversation over dinner or drinks, that would be
37:31
Speaker 1: clearly not that you would see that was not the case. Yeah,
37:33
Speaker 1: that's that's a great point. Also, I mean, thank you
37:36
Speaker 1: so very much for writing very much beautifully written letter.
37:40
Speaker 1: And uh, I don't know if you still live in Dallas,
37:43
Speaker 1: but if you do, say, hey, did the town for me.
37:45
Speaker 1: I've got some folks who live in Dallas, librarians, A
37:49
Speaker 1: lot of librarians in my family. Know. I did not
37:52
Speaker 1: know that about you. Ben. Well, yeah, it's it's a
37:55
Speaker 1: it's a true story. We do have do have one
37:59
Speaker 1: more or that made us laugh out loud, and I
38:01
Speaker 1: feel like we have to read this one because we
38:03
Speaker 1: totally did an inside joke with ourselves about it earlier
38:08
Speaker 1: in the episode little sneak Peak. So here here we go. Uh.
38:13
Speaker 1: Trade h writes in with an email entitled other terms
38:17
Speaker 1: for Money. Hey, dudes, is Trade longtime listener of stuff
38:20
Speaker 1: they don't want you to know and relatively new listener
38:22
Speaker 1: of ridiculous history. I'm loving the podcast. Keep it up.
38:25
Speaker 1: He sent us a thumbs up emoji, so you know
38:27
Speaker 1: it's legit. Anyway, I just wanted to talk to you
38:29
Speaker 1: about your episode What's the deal with two dollar bills?
38:33
Speaker 1: You guys mentioned something along the lines of how you
38:35
Speaker 1: can almost replace the words money or dollars with just
38:38
Speaker 1: about anything and people will probably still know what you're
38:41
Speaker 1: talking about. I found that hilarious and decided to try
38:44
Speaker 1: it out on some of my friends. Long story short,
38:46
Speaker 1: I'm buying some old records from a buddy of mine
38:48
Speaker 1: for forty dollars, So during our conversation over Snapchat, I
38:52
Speaker 1: tried this out twice. I referred to the forty dollars
38:55
Speaker 1: as forty biscuits and forty hooligans, and in both cases
38:59
Speaker 1: my friend just old with it, the same as any
39:01
Speaker 1: other normal conversation we would have. I'll probably continue this
39:05
Speaker 1: and try it out on other people as well, because
39:07
Speaker 1: it's a lot of fun. I'll email you again if
39:09
Speaker 1: I get any funny instances. Once again, thank you keep
39:12
Speaker 1: up the good work on the podcast. Ye Jim Jab's Biscuits.
39:18
Speaker 1: I would love to hear more of these, and I
39:21
Speaker 1: think that we should start. I mean, I'm I've already started.
39:24
Speaker 1: I'll confess to you, I've already started doing this in
39:27
Speaker 1: daily life. Do you have a running list? I have
39:30
Speaker 1: some that worked. The one of the weirdest ones I
39:33
Speaker 1: pulled off this week was pepper dus. That's amazing people
39:37
Speaker 1: we'll just agree with it. And I think it was
39:40
Speaker 1: an audible laugh from outside the sweat box. And we
39:44
Speaker 1: have encountered numerous instances of this. Who wanted to say
39:47
Speaker 1: thank you Trey for writing to us and hopefully you're
39:50
Speaker 1: inspiring your fellow listeners to find some more. Uh see
39:54
Speaker 1: how far you can push it? You know, I think
39:56
Speaker 1: shorter words are probably better. No, I don't think either
40:00
Speaker 1: of us could get away with a sentence length slang. No,
40:03
Speaker 1: but something like scaliwag might be cool. There we go. Yeah, yeah,
40:06
Speaker 1: but definitely not. Hey man, where's my five newmona Waltra
40:10
Speaker 1: Microscopic silico valcanic con eosis is yeah. Yeah, they would say,
40:15
Speaker 1: is that a medical condition or something like that? It's
40:17
Speaker 1: a black lung disease. Does that really? Wow? I learned
40:21
Speaker 1: that that's something that's the one thing that stuck with
40:23
Speaker 1: me from middle school. Well done, well done. Uh so
40:27
Speaker 1: we are going to call it a day. We want
40:29
Speaker 1: to thank you very very much, Amy, Thank you Trey
40:32
Speaker 1: as well. Thanks to everybody who's been writing it and
40:35
Speaker 1: finding us on Instagram, on Facebook, VR, email, ridiculous at
40:39
Speaker 1: how stuff works, dot com um the other things we do.
40:44
Speaker 1: Ye help me out here. Yeah, yeah, still work shopping
40:47
Speaker 1: away at that Pinterest board. Um. But we do have
40:49
Speaker 1: an active Facebook group called the Ridiculous History, and you
40:51
Speaker 1: can be a part of it. It's it's really become
40:53
Speaker 1: a fun little little community. We pop in there and
40:56
Speaker 1: you know, post embarrassing pictures and videos of ourselves for
40:59
Speaker 1: your amusement. You Sickos, right right, and we encourage you
41:05
Speaker 1: to participate in some of the wonderful threads or fellow
41:09
Speaker 1: listeners have started. I'm sorry I called. I think you're
41:11
Speaker 1: lovely people. I don't know. I mean, no time continues on.
41:17
Speaker 1: Who knows by the time someone's listening to this few
41:20
Speaker 1: years from now, Sickos, maybe like a tremendous company. Yeah,
41:22
Speaker 1: it also makes fools of us all time, time, time
41:26
Speaker 1: after time. It's also never time at all. Yes, but
41:29
Speaker 1: it is time for us to end the show. We
41:32
Speaker 1: hope that you have enjoyed this look at the strange
41:35
Speaker 1: story of Vermont, and we hope you stay tuned for
41:38
Speaker 1: our next episode, examining some rituals from ancient Mayan culture. Rituals,
41:45
Speaker 1: you say, are you referring to ritual alcohol animals? My friends? Yeah, yeah,
41:50
Speaker 1: actually we're not joking. We're gonna give that a whole episode.
41:53
Speaker 1: We're going to do something with it. Good lord, I
41:56
Speaker 1: can't wait. I'm interested to know it works out too.
42:01
Speaker 1: But but do tune in see if we can if
42:04
Speaker 1: we can pull that one off. And butt chugging I
42:07
Speaker 1: heard about I read something about but chugging recently. Yeah,
42:10
Speaker 1: there was a frat the whole Kerfuffle where these frat
42:14
Speaker 1: guys were doing a thing called butt chugging, where they
42:17
Speaker 1: kind of give themselves their own ritual alcohol animals like
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Speaker 1: the Yeah, yeah, the name says it all. Uh and
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Speaker 1: apparently it gets you quite tipsy. So join us for
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Speaker 1: what is sure to be the classiest episode of ridiculous
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Speaker 1: history in our career. Classier than the LBJ episode, even
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Speaker 1: even classier than lb J, if you can believe it
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Speaker 1: or not. We'd like to thank Casey Pagram of course
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Speaker 1: bid him bond voyage as he is preparing to leave
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Speaker 1: on his trip and uh on his adventure, Yes, I
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Speaker 1: dare say. And we'd also like to think, of course,
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Speaker 1: Alex Williams and Christopher haciotas our researcher extraordinaire um. And
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Speaker 1: of course we'd like to thank you folks. Yes, thank
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Speaker 1: you so much for monsters and non vermonters alike. Sure. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and we hope that we'll see you again very soon
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Speaker 1: on another episode of Ridiculous History. Goodbye,