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The Heirs | Full K-drama Review/ Ep. 41 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is devic a rumbles or a couple of friends
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  review, Korean dramas, and I'm back.
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  I'm back from vacation. We're back from the small Hiatus
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  here and I'm excited. Because for this, So die.
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  I am joined by Sammy. Sammy from Korean from Context
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  on Tick, Tock in the socials and from the bo-buddies podcast.
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  How are you Sammy? What's up?
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  I'm good. How are you?
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  Good? Yeah, so we've been friendly for
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  a while on Tick Tock. I love all of your dick togs and
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  I was like, oh my God, Sammy would be such a great voice on a
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  podcast episode. So I invited you on.
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  You have, actually, you're actually a writer, first of all,
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  and you Couple of books out that you're so graciously going to
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  send me. But honestly if you haven't
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  picked up some of her books, there's two of them right now
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  and she's working on more, please do.
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  So they will help you learn Korean as well, which is an
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  added bonus. Yes.
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  Yeah, but their romance right? Like I'm not wrong in thing.
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  Yes. They're kdrama inspired so it
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  was all kdrama inspired romances.
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  Yep. So how did you get into kdramas
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  really fast? And it's funny.
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  The simple answer is the try guys expected at see Yugi, I've
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  made them all, go to kcon in Allah and this is I mean way
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  back like I mean positive years ago and he made them reenact a
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  kdrama scene and I couldn't understand this seen.
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  It made no sense to me. I was like I need to Stand.
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  From. So I found the kdrama which was
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  my love from another star godhead and I watched it, I
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  found it on DramaFever, aren't I know?
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  And so I watched it like in two days and I went, I need more of
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  this. I need everything that has ever
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  come out. I want it all.
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  And that was literally the beginning of the end for me.
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  Wow. Wow, that is a fantastic story.
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  I love the try guys. They just had a mean not too
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  long ago. There was like this giant
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  Scandal, but anyway, oh yeah. I Ryan guys is like a pillar of
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  YouTube and I can't believe that they got that.
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  Like Eugene got you to watch a kdrama My Love from the Star
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  which we reviewed earlier. Yeah, give my love from the star
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  is like a Gateway. Holly wave drama and it got you.
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  It hooked me sucked me in and I and I was literally just trying
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  to find this scene that they had re-enacted like, that was my
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  only goal. And I think that seems Maybe The
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  eighth or ninth episode and I still binged, I was like, nope,
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  I want the rest, I need to know what happened.
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  What happened to the alien in the movie star?
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  Thanks. Oh my God.
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  I'm you know what? That was probably the top answer
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  that I've had. From asking this question,
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  everybody like wow, glad you're here.
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  Really excited to cover. The drama that we're going to
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  cover which is The Heirs / inheritors.
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  And before we get into it, if this is your first time
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  critical pod and thank you to our patrons, Curtis bail, Cindy
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  Love you guys. And without further Ado, we're
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  going to get started on this non-spoiler section.
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  I'm going to go ahead and read off the Asian Wiki synopsis
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  which I actually like cobbled together with the my drama
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  listen apis because they were both like incoherent so you know
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  about it you know about it. Hmm yeah.
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  So here goes The Heirs, depicts the friendships rivalries and
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  love life. As of Young Rich, airs led by
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  Captain and his girl, and a girl named tan sang Kim Tan is the
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  heir to Empire group, who has been sent to study abroad in the
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  u.s. in reality, it's a form of Exile as his Elder half-brother
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  back home schemes to take over the family business.
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  While in the state's Kim Tan, meets Town song, who arrived
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  from Korea in search of her older sister, he feels himself
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  falling for her. I never realizing that she's the
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  daughter of his family's housekeeper.
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  Yeah, so this drama aired from October to December 2013.
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  I was there. Where's my little sign?
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  The this little badge that says like I was there because I
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  watched it pretty much as it was airing or close to when it was
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  finishing airing. It is 20 episodes long.
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  It's co-directed by two directors Congress Jean Hill who
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  you might know him as the Director of tale of the
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  nine-tailed. The 2020 tale of nine-tailed and
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  the 1938 which is just starting to are right now at the time of
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  this recording. And I know have you watched till
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  the nine-tailed? I haven't.
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  But my cousin has been trying to convince me to II.
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  Think I might not have to might have to do it.
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  Okay, so here's the thing. I have like no desire to watch
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  tale of the nine-tailed. I have no, there's nothing.
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  Me. Watch it.
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  Have no sense of urgency. People are like, I can't wait
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  for 1930. I'm like, that's great.
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  Great. Yeah, I have no, I think.
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  Unfortunately, I've seen the spoilers so like I know the
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  things that happen so it like it's kind of pointless for me to
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  watch now because I I see the things that I'm just like you
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  know, I don't want to be I don't need.
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  Trauma right now, I don't need trauma.
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  Yeah, so there's that and then Ayers was also code.
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  Acted by a boost on Joel he's directed, ghost, doctor mask and
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  my girlfriend is a Gumiho from 2010 among others.
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  Of course, I think this is the star of the behind the scenes
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  team Aires was written by by chemo and suck the cumin sock
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  from so many other dramas she's written the lovers series from
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  the early 2000s which is lovers lovers in Prague and lovers in
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  Paris. She's written, Secret Garden,
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  gentleman's dignity. Descendants of the sun,
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  Guardian. The great and lonely gosh AKA
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  Goblin. She's written mr.
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  Sunshine, she's written the king Eternal Monarch, also with Lee
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  Min-ho. She's written obviously.
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  And most importantly in recently, the glory Parts, 1 and
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  2, which just kind of swept at the back song Awards and got
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  nominated a lot. So that's Kim min-seok.
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  Have you watched other Kim Suk dramas I have.
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  I I loved the king Eternal Monarch because I love the long
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  has such a great part. Yes, stole that entire series
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  for me? I literally only watched it for
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  him. Oh yeah, great.
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  So I love Lee Min-ho. I've always been looking like a
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  low-key Lee Min-ho fan at first, I was a high key, like, I love
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  women who I watch anything, he's in now.
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  I'm like, I didn't like, oh, you know, lesser stockholder of
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  Lehman who like stocks, And sold your shares.
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  Yeah. Like I sold some shares you know
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  I'm gonna be it's very casual. So I was like oh lee minho's
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  coming out with a new drama big deal and it had keep going in it
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  and I was like, oh my God, I love Kim.
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  I have more more stocks and can go and then I do in Lima not at
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  this point. So I watched it and I was
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  befuddled 100% of the time and I'm a person who loves
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  time-traveled, loves fantasy will you know give anything a
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  shot. And watched it and was like,
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  this is a mess. Like I can't even deal with
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  this. It was a holiday lawn was the
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  only reason. Oh yeah.
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  Oh yeah. Enjoy it at all.
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  Yes. Oh, but I'm, I did love Goblin.
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  Yes, whistling like that was Justice.
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  Hi, SOB SOB. No matter how many times I watch
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  that show. I will cry.
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  Yeah, guaranteed no, no, Henry, sighs, somewhere inside, he's
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  disappearing in. Front of King gun and she's
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  doing those like guttural like sobs.
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  I'm like, I'm a wreck. Like I can't really deal with
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  her right now and it's perfect. So I we've covered a lot of Kim
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  and suck on the podcast. I think maybe you could say,
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  this is a low-key like, come on, suck podcast because we've ended
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  up covering descendants of the sun, Goblin mr.
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  Sunshine the glory and we're here.
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  If the heirs after the fact that was not intentional for me to
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  for us to review the glory, and then the airs but it's fine.
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  We're here, it's going to happen.
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  I guess we should move on to the cast, which this Stars.
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  Lee Min Ho has King done. Well, I mean, he's been in
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  everything. It like, not everything, but
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  he's been in a lot of stuff. My personal favorite is City
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  Hunter. I don't know if you have a
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  favorite like, Lee Min-ho, probably don't.
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  This is actually my well, excluding the king Eternal
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  Monarch. This is the only Lee Min-ho
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  kdrama. I watched, I'm shocked.
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  Look, I'm just really shy. So, wow.
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  Oh my God, what am I gonna do? Okay, so how do I put this
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  picture? The years like 2011.
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  And I've watched voiceover. Flowers as like my second kdrama
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  ever. And I'm like smitten head over
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  heels for Lehman ho, and I watched promptly watched
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  Personal Taste and City Hunter and then Faith came out.
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  Not long after that, which is now the Year's 2012 and I was
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  just like, eating up Lee Min-ho, content.
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  I love the man. I thought he could do no wrong
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  and I remember it was like not long and like maybe a couple of
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  years after I watch faith. I was like, man, I love that
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  show so much. Going to re-watch it.
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  So I restarted we wash. It was like, this is a hot, this
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  is terrible. I was like, why did I that was
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  not far removed from when I actually first watched faith and
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  when it aired. So yeah.
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  It was, the calm down was pretty hard from dramas and I'd like
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  to, we can have a discussion on whether he's a great actor or
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  whether he's a passable actor or whether he chooses projects
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  really well and like what have you?
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  But yeah. So there's a Discussion to have,
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  I guess in a little bit about leaving.
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  No, but his cuffs are. Yeah.
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  His co-star is Pock seen a, she plays chanseong and pox Shanae
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  had was like a staple of, you know, 2010's and linked to
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  thousands kdrama. She was in your beautiful
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  heartstrings Flower Boy, Next Door, Pinocchio, doctors the one
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  I really love memories of the Alhambra which is like a premium
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  amazing. Onset that they just like
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  squandered. Oh my God I'm so glad you feel
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  that way. Yeah.
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  Did not like it and then I was like I'm so mad memories of the
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  Alhambra. I have not watched epoxy
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  teenaged drama since. Okay.
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  I stole my God. Yeah, I didn't know.
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  I skipped Sisyphus and she's coming out later this year with
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  dr. Something to say, I never even
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  heard that one. I was like, I, when I saw that,
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  I'm thing. I was like, well good for her, I
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  guess. Yeah.
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  Because she One off and got married to Ted to try to June.
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  And then she had a child, right? Yeah.
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  Now she's a mother and like, great so happy for her good for
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  her. I loved seeing the wedding
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  photos and stuff really happy for her but now she's back
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  working. And I'm like girl are you going
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  to keep with the you know quality that you've been putting
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  out lately or what? So yeah but I like her movie
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  stuff better. I know if you've seen some of
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  her movies, she was I saw her. ER, in my annoying brother.
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  Yeah, I saw that movie, I movies guy.
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  Listen, Korean, movies are something else because you think
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  they're going one way. You know left.
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  There's a hard time then. Boom, your sobbing
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  uncontrollably. Yeah, they marketed that movie.
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  They marketed my annoying brother as a comedy.
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  Yes. So I went into it as a comedy
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  And by the end I'm ugly Kim K crying.
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  Like it was so bad it was so I was like you can.
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  Yeah. This is no time to explain.
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  Did he kick you do this to me? Oh, oh oh God, yes so good.
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  I loved it but man was I not expecting that from that movie.
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  Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
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  Yeah, I completely 100% agree. If you haven't watched my
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  annoying brother, definitely give it a shot.
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  It's not it's just not like the Main.
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  That's not her brother anything, but she's in it.
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  She's great. I watch her in the Royal Tailor,
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  which is a period piece. She was, she played the queen
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  great movie Beauty inside which is a great movie.
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  They turn into kdrama. I heard, mixed things about the
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  kdrama hashtag live, which I was like, oh girl, I see you.
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  Like this was actually a pretty good zombie movie and she was
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  good. She was really good in it.
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  And then the call have you seen The call.
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  I've heard of it though. Oh my God.
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  So it was, it's a, how do I put it?
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  Like she talks to a person from the like two to three years
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  prior in the past through like a phone supernaturally in their
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  living in the same house. Sort of like the lake house sort
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  of deal. Okay.
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  Yeah except Thriller Not romance and it's quite unbelievable.
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  Like movie. Wasn't there a movie like that?
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  Not with the time past thing. But it had one of the Chris's
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  like it was an American uh-huh, where he answered a phone call
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  because she just dialed a random number and she was like
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  kidnapped This and he's so familiar.
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  Oh my God, the one who plays Captain America, okay, Chris
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  Evans, Chris Evans. Yeah.
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  Yeah. He answers the phone and like
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  has to save her. Okay.
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  I don't I don't know the name of it but yeah this isn't a new
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  like talking to someone from the past via some Supernatural means
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  on a really everyday device. It's not like Reinventing the
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  wheel the wheel here but I think that the suspense and you didn't
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  know where this where was going to go, who was gonna win,
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  there's a serial killer obviously involved.
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  And it just gets way out of hand.
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  So I liked her and that I was pretty impressed.
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  Yeah, it's actually a Netflix. I think it might might be a
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  Netflix original. But anyway, that's pakshi day.
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  We have a couple supporting and then we'll just get into General
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  thoughts. So we have Kim woo-bin
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  supporting as to Young though. He's the second male lead.
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  Yeah, this is one of his first roles.
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  This is his breakout role really.
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  No one, he wasn't like a household name before this.
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  It was this role that sort of put him on the map and then he
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  followed this up, few years later with uncontrollably fond,
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  which I don't know if you've seen that one with Bae, Suzy,
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  you seen it? Oh my God, that when I
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  definitely remember watching as it aired on DramaFever crushed
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  and being crushed. Well I just it was like I got
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  side lie like I got Just hammered.
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  Oh yeah. Like there was no I got T-boned,
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  you know, like I didn't know it was coming.
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  Yeah, yeah. Did not see it coming and you're
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  like, wait, what it was? And you're like, it's what just
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  happened? Yeah, I'm sorry what just
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  happened? I don't.
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  So he does that. Then he gets diagnosed with
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  cancer and he's off like getting treated and recovering from
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  Cancer four years and doesn't do much in his career.
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  And then now he's back, right? Like he did our Blues last year
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  in 2022, and now he's doing Black Knight, which is a Netflix
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  original coming out, like, a few weeks or something like that.
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  Yeah, say soon. Yeah.
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  So that's keep Movin. And lastly, we have Kim d. 1.
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  She plays Rachel. You, she's the second female
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  lead. One of the second thing.
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  I don't even know. So We'll talk about it, I guess.
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  And yeah, again one of her breakout roles that, it's just
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  like her breakout role and then a few years later she comes in
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  with descendants of the sun which again is another human
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  suck project. I guess you really liked the the
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  writer and she came back for more.
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  She's been in fight for my way arth doll Chronicles.
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  I don't want to talk about that a lot.
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  I didn't realize that's been in a bunch of people it.
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she's been in a lot.
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  My Liberation notes. I think is the big one from last
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  year, 2022. What do you feel?
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  Like if you have any feelings about Kim 21 as an actress or
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  anything? Yeah, we're talking The Heirs.
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  I was like Okay about her, I did like her in descendants of the
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  Sun, but I felt her role was very similar in the like I'm
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  being cold. Like it's saying so and even in
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  Love Struck in the city. Oh really?
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  I haven't seen that one like oh, she's very like she had a
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  fun-loving attitude when I don't want to spoil it so like but she
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  has this fun-loving attitude in one like you.
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  No portion of it right then she again, becomes that.
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  Very stoic. I have no feelings person.
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  Okay, I feel like they kind of they almost type cast her as the
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  girl who doesn't show emotions, but has Rachel's.
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  Like, she's basically playing a version of Rachel in a lot of
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  projects. It wasn't until I saw in fight
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  for my way in 2017 that I was like, oh my God she can do
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  something else and she's really good as this other personality
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  like actually trying something different.
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  A totally In character. And then I wasn't impressed with
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  her again until my Liberation notes from last year where I was
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  like, oh my God yeah this is like totally different from
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  Rachel, right? Like this is Rachel as like
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  taking over much of her career ever since this year, 2013 with
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  airs. So yeah I think that's it.
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  Like we can talk about the rest of this.
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  Really big cast in a bit but we're on the other side.
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  Let me know what were your Thoughts on the airs.
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  I, you know I was expect-- cuz I didn't watch it when it first
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  came out, it never caught my attention and I think the main
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  the main reason was for me I always tend to roll with high
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  school dramas. Yes.
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  Because I I always am like these are not targeted towards me.
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  If this is not going to be something that I am.
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  I'm going to enjoy simply for that fact.
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  And so I tend to not pick them and Times I end up being
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  disappointed because then I'll watch them and be like why
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  didn't I watch this? You know, when it came out it
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  was it ended up like extraordinary you.
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  I was like it's a high school thing it's not going to and I
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  ended up loving it because it made fun of the high school
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  ones. Huh?
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  You know that kind of thing I like that and I have to say
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  going into it at first this show the airs was a struggle.
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  It was a struggle. I even text.
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  Stood you that again I said hey girl can we can we push this
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  back a little bit? Yeah it's rough out here like it
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  was it was rough that first episode and then you know I got
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  past that first episode Okay, I get it.
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  I can see why people were drawn to this show.
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  I think I can see why people were, you know, I loved it so
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  much like in that 20, but it was also a very 2013 drama.
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  Uh-huh. When watching it, I was like, oh
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  man, they haven't done this in years where you know, the three
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  are standing in a triangle and she's just staring at both of
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  them and the camera pans to all three like 15 times before.
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  Cutscene the episode is over. Like I hadn't seen that in so
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  long. It's like, oh, man, throwback.
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  And I sure enough I did, I really did enjoy it more than I
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  thought I was going to. Wow, I did, I did.
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  Oh my God. Okay.
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  Wow. What a Twist?
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  Because I thought you were going to say, I didn't like it was a
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  struggle to get through it, and, you know, I ended up not liking
• 22:36
  it, so I'm going to come in a little bit hot here.
• 22:38
  So, So glad the heavy whoops I watched it very near to December
• 22:45
  2013 when it finished airing and believe I watched it on
• 22:50
  DramaFever and high RF P RV if you know you know and I was
• 22:59
  excited I knew that this was a really big deal.
• 23:02
  That Lee Min Ho is another High School drama and that it that
• 23:07
  what it was like, buzzing right? Even Wasn't on Reddit, I wasn't
• 23:11
  on Instagram. Like I wasn't immersed in the
• 23:13
  kdrama community like I am. Now I knew that this was a huge
• 23:17
  deal that people were watching that this was popular.
• 23:20
  And I think that I was really Blown Away by the fact that they
• 23:26
  film, like, the first three episodes in California, that was
• 23:29
  a huge it. Now we don't really think so
• 23:31
  much about it. Yeah.
• 23:33
  But back then that was a huge deal for them to send the entire
• 23:36
  production overseas and to film on location and have this
• 23:39
  different How we weren't in Seoul, I was like, oh my God,
• 23:42
  like I was really riveted by those first three episodes and
• 23:46
  intrigued by this weird relationship that they were
• 23:51
  starting up. Basically there.
• 23:54
  She's a fish out of water and he's this weird Exile, he's an
• 23:59
  air and all this stuff and he's basically playing a version of
• 24:03
  could jump you from Boys Over Flowers, write that character.
• 24:07
  And I was like, okay, I Where this is going somewhere inside
• 24:13
  the next eighteen episodes. I think I remember being annoyed
• 24:21
  because, yeah, it was spreading white, like, the plot was
• 24:25
  wafer-thin, and it was treading water for like episodes on end,
• 24:30
  and there was a lot of wallowing and crying, and I don't remember
• 24:34
  being as a murse necessarily in like the I think I was more
• 24:40
  immersed in the drama but I wasn't like crying.
• 24:44
  I wasn't like, you know, Strung Out Over much of this drama and
• 24:49
  I didn't remember a lot of it. So returning to it.
• 24:54
  I was like, wow, they're filming in California.
• 24:57
  Like I started around the same like Serta cycle where I was
• 25:00
  like, oh yeah, like they did this whole California Bay and I
• 25:02
  was like laughing, it it's so bad like it's ridiculous, it's
• 25:06
  horrendous. It?
• 25:10
  What? That's why I said.
• 25:11
  It's bad to get through that episode.
• 25:13
  And um I think I also, I remember, being really sort of
• 25:20
  surprised that her mother Town sangs, mother was mute like that
• 25:26
  was a huge deal to me back in the day I was like I've never
• 25:29
  seen a character with a disability like that and like
• 25:34
  they're doing sign language and stuff back and forth.
• 25:36
  I was like, this is amazing. So I thought like in my Limit.
• 25:40
  This wasn't the term back then, but like representation was
• 25:44
  really sort of a positive for me back in 2013 when I watch.
• 25:51
  But man, I couldn't I couldn't really get into it.
• 25:54
  This time around there was very few moments where I was like,
• 25:58
  yo, this is really cooking right now like this Clause really, you
• 26:03
  know, like it was the stories worn out, everybody's
• 26:08
  unreasonable. Oh, and it's so unreasonable.
• 26:14
  I didn't like Town song. I thought she had no
• 26:16
  personality. None, none whatsoever.
• 26:20
  None whatsoever. All these men were falling over
• 26:22
  their feet and so yeah, like I think, you know, I think maybe
• 26:27
  the reason I enjoyed it the way I did, it wasn't necessary was
• 26:32
  not necessarily the plot, it was not the acting or anything.
• 26:35
  I think it was that, that idea of I was watching an old kdrama
• 26:41
  in a current mines, dried, okay? And the things I enjoyed were
• 26:47
  things that I Kind of was like, oh my God, like things that I
• 26:52
  used to make fun of in kdramas, like the back, hugs, those like
• 26:57
  crazy back hugs, where she would like lose her.
• 26:59
  Oh my God, what are you doing? Yeah, giving me a hug Republic.
• 27:02
  How dare? And like things like that.
• 27:05
  I think that was and like you said the the Ridiculousness of
• 27:11
  how unwilling to see people's perspectives, right things,
• 27:16
  right? And like just You couldn't go
• 27:19
  from, like, they would go from A to Z and skin like all those
• 27:24
  letters in between and you were sitting there going, but but
• 27:27
  there were other options, right? Many other options exactly.
• 27:34
  Like it was like yeah. I think that's the reason I
• 27:38
  enjoyed watching it because this was my first time and so it kind
• 27:42
  of was like this In a weird way almost like a comfort of the old
• 27:49
  old shows. Like it was like, oh man.
• 27:51
  I kind of miss this. But do I really miss this?
• 27:54
  Because the amount of times, I rolled my eyes while watching it
• 27:58
  going. Oh my god, really, did he just
• 28:00
  say that? Oh my God, they really just.
• 28:02
  Yeah, but it still made me enjoy it.
• 28:06
  Like, I caught myself like laughing at things that was
• 28:12
  just, it was just that. Oh, man to be back in 20,
• 28:14
  Thirteen right? Yeah, that's exhibits a time.
• 28:17
  It's a time capsule for sure. Oh yeah, the show is painfully
• 28:21
  2013 and the actors are from 2013, all their stylist.
• 28:28
  From there. The clothes, the makeup,
• 28:30
  everything is sort of retro now. Like, you think you look back on
• 28:35
  it and you're like, oh man, this is, I used to wear my hair like
• 28:38
  this or I, my sister had my hair, had this haircut and it
• 28:42
  didn't seem weird back then like that.
• 28:44
  Was it? What I noticed back in 2013, I
• 28:47
  was definitely, I was definitely picking up more on the romance
• 28:51
  aspect and now I'm picking up on the lack of Rome like, this
• 28:54
  doesn't, this story is very romantic to me at all.
• 28:57
  Now, rise fact, it's like it's creepy.
• 29:01
  It's yes, because he just shows up everywhere.
• 29:06
  Like any time she is being inconvenienced.
• 29:10
  He's there. How where when like what in the
• 29:15
  Edward Cullen? Are you doing in every location?
• 29:20
  That was that this girl is in that was literally thinking,
• 29:25
  might I have that in my notes that he's being such an Edward
• 29:28
  Cullen about the whole thing and why did like is this romance
• 29:33
  sweet? Or is it disturbing?
• 29:36
  I think it's like that now. I think it's disturbing that all
• 29:39
  100%, but back then, when I'd like, you know, Twilight was
• 29:43
  still popping back. Then it was, it was the thing to
• 29:46
  be like this creepy stalker. Essentially of the Pearlman
• 29:52
  thanked, both of them. Yes.
• 29:56
  Yes. But how how?
• 29:57
  Our day and he's finds her. He's there all the time
• 30:02
  everywhere. I'm sorry they were in a street
• 30:05
  corner. And he just shows up.
• 30:09
  What I can't even do that, if I tried, if I tried, if I use all
• 30:15
  my powers and I'm like, I think he's gonna be on this street
• 30:18
  corner. Be the wrong Street Corner.
• 30:20
  Soul is Sunnah, freaking huge. Exactly.
• 30:23
  Exactly, yeah. So lack of plot.
• 30:29
  A lot of pain and misery and manufactured angst and like an
• 30:33
  overabundance of flashbacks and Musical.
• 30:36
  Montages and just filler so much filler.
• 30:39
  Like I said, tone song is so annoying and indecisive and I
• 30:45
  mean there's nothing to latch onto there for her.
• 30:48
  I just don't understand why they even fell for her.
• 30:51
  I can maybe understand why she fell freaking ton maybe.
• 30:54
  Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
• 30:56
  I cut the other way. A rat like looking back at her.
• 30:59
  I'm like, I have seen nothing, like there's nothing.
• 31:05
  I hate to say it. She tends to play those
• 31:07
  characters and I, and I really didn't.
• 31:11
  I never liked her, unfortunately, because every
• 31:15
  drama I tended to watch of hers, that's what she was.
• 31:18
  She was this character who they tried to make you pity and made
• 31:25
  you like you, they made you pity her.
• 31:27
  Yep. And that's the reason that they
• 31:29
  should love her, right? And it was you Hazard a hard?
• 31:33
  So yeah, she got Typecast into that.
• 31:36
  Character and I know she did try and get out of it and I think
• 31:39
  she's still trying to MMM with like, you know, that along,
• 31:43
  bruh. You know, she tried to get out
• 31:46
  of uh-huh. That Typecast.
• 31:49
  Yeah, she was type classes like a Cinderella.
• 31:52
  Yeah, every time. Yeah, but boring Cinderella and
• 31:54
  boring, like, at least Cindy had like, you know, some chops on
• 31:58
  her. She had a and goals in life.
• 32:01
  She had friends and we'll friends, whatever you can make a
• 32:04
  play for Cinderella having Way more personality than passionate
• 32:09
  in this freakin drama. She's literally and again like
• 32:12
  the Cinderella comparison is really runs deep in this drama
• 32:15
  because she's literally living in the maids Closet in this
• 32:18
  giant mansion that what might as well be a castle and are pretty.
• 32:23
  In this case, this drama are Prince.
• 32:26
  Charming doesn't really care about being.
• 32:28
  The prince doesn't want the crown.
• 32:31
  If I had a nickel for every time they had a, he who Bears the
• 32:34
  crown like, Like a lion in this. Oh my God, yeah, I could go to
• 32:40
  Chipotle on it. So it is so I am kind of on this
• 32:47
  it like I think you liked the sort of kdrama nostalgia.
• 32:52
  Oh yeah, the show. But yeah once you start looking
• 32:57
  at it, it's like a it's like a Monet.
• 32:58
  Like look at it up close and you're like this is terrible.
• 33:02
  Yeah. This is absolute.
• 33:03
  It's like just what is happening?
• 33:05
  Yeah. Yeah, dang.
• 33:08
  So I do want to say a few like positive things because I feel
• 33:11
  like the chemistry between Pakistani and Lee Min Ho at
• 33:17
  times was. Okay or possible.
• 33:19
  Sometimes good. I liked when they were
• 33:22
  bickering, sometimes, they're bickering was pretty good.
• 33:25
  Like they were fast like they, yeah, the back and forth was
• 33:28
  fast. Remind me a little bit of
• 33:29
  Gilmore Girls and that the writing was a little bit witty
• 33:33
  during those moments when they were like, just Just snapping
• 33:36
  back and forth at each other. And having these sort of moments
• 33:40
  where they were like understanding each other, or she
• 33:42
  started flirting. All of a sudden, he was like, oh
• 33:44
  my God, like, she's flirting back with me.
• 33:46
  So it's doubt those were good parts but pretty much anything
• 33:50
  outside of that. I was like, okay, I think I'm
• 33:57
  going to take the op, not the opposite, but I actually liked
• 34:00
  her and woo-bin. Yes, the time about it.
• 34:06
  Really? I loved their bickering.
• 34:09
  And they're like, yeah, hate yeah, but not hate like him
• 34:16
  trying to figure out what he's really feeling about her by,
• 34:20
  like, being that bully but then realizing he doesn't want to
• 34:24
  bully her. But if it's the only way he
• 34:26
  knows how to show affection, right?
• 34:28
  You know this is so n an old-school mentality, right in
• 34:32
  the way. A lot of things are archaic in
• 34:34
  this but the fact that the boys are Using like straight up
• 34:37
  aggression to sort of woo, her and Kim.
• 34:40
  Woo. Bin, especially with his
• 34:41
  bullying, which I will talk about that.
• 34:44
  Yes, in a minute. But yeah.
• 34:46
  Him trying to like get her attention by being outright like
• 34:51
  snobbish and, and mean to her. Yeah, yeah.
• 34:54
  Is like woefully outdated but yeah.
• 34:57
  Later on you sort of angry for him.
• 34:59
  I know I was rooting for him and I'm like there should be no
• 35:03
  reason. This man is literally hundreds
• 35:05
  of red flags. There's not a single green flag.
• 35:08
  Yeah, I'm just sitting there going.
• 35:10
  I want you to have her, let him have her, and it's like, you
• 35:15
  know, like he would, and I think it was like, he would just,
• 35:17
  like, say random things that I would be like, oh, that's so
• 35:20
  cute. Like, oh, that's like, you know,
• 35:22
  like I remember him like he was sitting in the coffee shop and
• 35:27
  she's like, are you here to just like, you know, annoy me or
• 35:30
  whatever? And he just says, no, I was
• 35:32
  feeling lonely. I just keep my heart.
• 35:37
  My heart's telling the truth to her.
• 35:40
  Yes. And I think I was like you said
• 35:43
  I was rooting for him by the end of it.
• 35:45
  I was like, screw you man. Oh, I'm going with this guy.
• 35:49
  Like he's so whiny, like both of them are really whiny but by the
• 35:53
  end who has his head on more straight, it's Kim woobin's
• 35:56
  character. Hmm.
• 35:57
  In actuality. So, you know, you sort of root
• 36:00
  for him, you feel bad for him. As soon as his hair starts to do
• 36:03
  flea, and he goes down until like the beaver cut your like,
• 36:07
  oh, maybe it's not so bad. Oh my god.
• 36:11
  I didn't even think of that. It's what you just said it.
• 36:13
  And I just went. Oh my God.
• 36:15
  You're right. Yeah, his hair just gets
• 36:17
  progressively, mom, beer. Oh my God.
• 36:22
  Oh my God. The speaking of hair pop action
• 36:25
  is hair. Like, it doesn't matter.
• 36:27
  What is happening to her. She could be working three
• 36:30
  part-time jobs, she could be getting yelled at.
• 36:33
  She could be in the It's snowing outside its cold as shit.
• 36:38
  The blowout was always Immaculate.
• 36:41
  Immaculate mechanical it his she looked amazing.
• 36:44
  I always like he would pull her hair down from the ponytail.
• 36:48
  Where was that bump? Where's the pony tail?
• 36:50
  Where was the case in her hair? Looks like purple hair.
• 36:56
  Yeah. How are you?
• 36:58
  Her hair? Yeah.
• 36:59
  I like how how. Beautiful beautiful yeah.
• 37:03
  I was very jealous of the hair. Yeah, I noticed that right off.
• 37:07
  That was like, wow, that's unreasonable.
• 37:10
  But I yeah, really admire that she's struggling.
• 37:13
  She's struggling. Can't even afford a room.
• 37:16
  Megan apartment yet, her hair quaffed.
• 37:20
  Salon carré perfectly. Yes.
• 37:22
  Exactly. That's where all the money went.
• 37:25
  It went to the salon pills, you're right, you're right.
• 37:29
  But yeah, I have literally going back to just see it right now.
• 37:33
  My notes, he's always hiding by her next to her eavesdropping
• 37:36
  and watching her sleep, like he's such a creeper very much,
• 37:40
  an Edward character, that's direct quote, for my nose.
• 37:47
  We are going to do this together.
• 37:49
  This is long time, I think this is one of the last bastions or
• 37:54
  this era of kdrama is a different generation because
• 38:00
  we're still getting red flag, male leads and nowadays.
• 38:06
  The trend is to have green flag, male leads and you don't have
• 38:11
  these types of personality. You don't have these types of
• 38:15
  Edward Twilight, like, Things happen.
• 38:19
  And if you do, it's way more believable, it's way more
• 38:22
  connected and a little more communication for like how did
• 38:26
  he end up on a street corner? Where she's at?
• 38:28
  And it's like yeah, that's it each other whatever like they
• 38:31
  kind of make it better. And yes, it was really jarring
• 38:35
  to go back to 2013 and see both of these guys who I'm like, at
• 38:40
  various points in the show, your like neither is better than the
• 38:43
  other right? Like, clearly even the second
• 38:45
  male lead, it's not until the The last few episodes that
• 38:48
  you're like, wow, she should really rethink the content thing
• 38:52
  because you know, this guy is actually very, very good.
• 38:58
  You know, he's learning from his mistakes.
• 38:59
  He actually has a character Arc him time is largely the same
• 39:03
  beginning to the end of the show that goes without saying for
• 39:07
  Pacino's character because she has no Arc whatsoever.
• 39:13
  Terrible, not none. So yeah, I the jealousy.
• 39:21
  I couldn't get through like the jealousy.
• 39:23
  Bit of the red flag stuff and not even just like with those
• 39:29
  two but with Rachel like you know, they was jealous of
• 39:38
  everybody else in one way or another, right?
• 39:42
  And I think the crazy thing was, they constantly knew that.
• 39:47
  Hmm, that you knew that these other people were jealous of the
• 39:51
  others in, like, they all knew they all knew except for except
• 39:56
  for parks, and he didn't know, she was oblivious to all this
• 40:00
  jealousy that was going on. Yeah, everybody in that show was
• 40:05
  jealous of somebody. Yeah.
• 40:07
  And I was just, I was, you know, that.
• 40:10
  Why? Why why Just move, just move on.
• 40:14
  I doubt it talking about why, I also didn't understand the
• 40:18
  animosity between Kingston and woobin's character, right?
• 40:23
  Like I understood it like after they do like the flashbacks of
• 40:26
  like oh they had this falling out because whatever we want say
• 40:30
  now because it's non spoilery section.
• 40:31
  Like yeah. After that.
• 40:33
  I was like, yeah. So still not a good reason to
• 40:36
  like hate each other's guts. Yeah, it means that didn't make
• 40:40
  any sense to me, right? Like to me, I could understand
• 40:44
  indifference, right. Like let's say your friend moves
• 40:47
  away suddenly and you had this crazy weird falling out that
• 40:51
  happened and now you don't really know who they are.
• 40:54
  You haven't heard from them, I can understand.
• 40:57
  They just don't care about each other anymore, like that.
• 41:00
  Nothing to do with each other. Not this.
• 41:02
  So I can understand that. Not this active hate that look
• 41:07
  at that takes way more energy to hate someone.
• 41:09
  Then it just does to not care. So I feel like that's something
• 41:14
  that probably if this was written today.
• 41:17
  They would go a little more in that route where it's like, they
• 41:20
  don't really have anything to do with each other.
• 41:22
  The more indifferent to each other and there are as friends
• 41:26
  or Frenemies would just be them, either becoming enemies and then
• 41:31
  friends, or just learning to be friends again, through all of
• 41:36
  these like machinations that happen.
• 41:38
  Yes, 100. So it's really odd, too.
• 41:42
  Just like they come back and it's like there's the metal
• 41:45
  would like rock music every time they're in the same frame
• 41:48
  together and you're like it's not it's so cheesy.
• 41:52
  It's so dumb like you. Yes, you're telling us how to
• 41:55
  feel? Yes, you're telling us.
• 41:57
  Oh, they don't like each other. Oh, there's like might be a
• 42:00
  fight you or whatever? Yeah, I'm just like that's part
• 42:04
  of a high school dramas as well. Where they're kind of hand
• 42:08
  holding the audience a lot and it was just so annoying, like, I
• 42:12
  just was annoyed for large swaths of the show.
• 42:15
  Oh, yeah, I totally get it. Oh God, I couldn't, I couldn't
• 42:20
  deal with it. The possessiveness the jealousy,
• 42:23
  the like, yeah, the trimmings of it, but what do you think of the
• 42:29
  OST? And then after this, we'll give
• 42:30
  our scores and get into spoilers section.
• 42:32
  Love is moment. You know, it's so funny because
• 42:43
  I knew, I knew it was from the show, but I had like I said, I
• 42:47
  had never watched the show, so I never could appreciate it in all
• 42:53
  the like, you know, joking like it because this is now.
• 43:01
  Yes, exactly. Now it just like, click so much
• 43:06
  more that I'm You gotta appreciate it, you gotta
• 43:09
  appreciate it. Yeah, I think in episode 1, when
• 43:12
  they're still in Cali and they like throw a needle drop the
• 43:15
  first OST song and I was like oh oh my God my neck the Whiplash.
• 43:22
  Yeah I still love this OST I still think it's stupid and oh
• 43:29
  yes hop but it's like pure K drama OST goodness and it's like
• 43:34
  pure it's not trying to be cologne necessarily.
• 43:37
  No. Like today, I feel like OST.
• 43:40
  They're trying to be a little more cool hip.
• 43:44
  Yeah follow a specific genre and this is like not not that at
• 43:49
  all. I think and I think the thing is
• 43:51
  like it's it brings like that that Nostalgia back at it makes
• 43:56
  you even while we you know we've said that it's it has its cringy
• 44:01
  moments and like there's so many things it is not like about it.
• 44:05
  It puts us back into that moment when like Oh man, remember when.
• 44:10
  So and so did this and that and you know it brings you back into
• 44:16
  that kdrama and like the things you remembered that you liked.
• 44:20
  I agree completely. Oh man.
• 44:23
  All right. So what would you give this
• 44:25
  drama out of five Soju bottles five being a really great
• 44:29
  wonderful experience watching it.
• 44:34
  I'm actually going to go a little high but not too high.
• 44:37
  Okay. I'm gonna give it a 38.
• 44:40
  I okay I'm gonna cuz I feel like like I said it was very
• 44:46
  nostalgic. It made me weirdly miss the like
• 44:51
  multiple red flags in kdrama men.
• 44:54
  Yeah but also made me realize how much they've developed,
• 44:57
  right? A dramas since I I love woobin
• 45:01
  like he grew. Ooh on me so much that like
• 45:04
  show. And like you said, by the end of
• 45:06
  it, he was the one who was the most together, right?
• 45:10
  You know, he really was and so I there were a lot of things to
• 45:15
  like, but there were more things to, you know, kind of dislike.
• 45:18
  So that's why it's over. It's over the halfway point, but
• 45:22
  it's not for, okay, so I'm going to give it a two point five
• 45:27
  because it was almost unwatchable for large parts of
• 45:32
  Show some scenes are iconic and really good and some think it
• 45:39
  did some things really. Well, the OST is really good.
• 45:41
  Lee Min Ho is, I don't think we've said a necessarily a bad
• 45:44
  thing about Lee Min Ho so far. I think he really carries the
• 45:47
  show. Not pocketed a at all.
• 45:51
  No, no. Well, I guess we'll talk about
• 45:55
  it more in spoilers section, but a lot of positive things I like
• 45:59
  the the disability. Representation with the mute,
• 46:04
  mom, which I get again, I was like, so awestruck about that in
• 46:08
  2013, watching it for the first time and yeah.
• 46:14
  So 2.54 like some good things but mostly this is not my bag
• 46:20
  anymore, which is sad. Yeah, but yeah.
• 46:23
  And this is kind of why I wanted to do some of these older
• 46:25
  kdramas on this season of the podcast because so many people
• 46:30
  have I've come across and said, like I don't watch preet B15
• 46:33
  kdramas and I'm like 2015 that's not that long ago.
• 46:36
  Like I just really kind of wanted to revisit some of these
• 46:40
  and maybe like us talking about it will make someone want to
• 46:42
  watch The Heirs for themselves and see what we're talking about
• 46:46
  and give some of these older kdramas, some love because some
• 46:49
  people are like, oh, Lemonhope never seen like older, Lee
• 46:53
  Min-ho stuff and like City Young Boys Over Flowers have just seen
• 46:56
  like a couple of things of his and it's really surprising to me
• 47:00
  because there's all of this work that's just not Being seen
• 47:03
  anymore. So, yeah, I am.
• 47:06
  I'm glad you did this. We're going to jump into the
• 47:08
  spoiler section. Now, right after this, you want
• 47:19
  to come in. All right, we're on the other
• 47:20
  side of spoilers. So, anything goes, if you don't
• 47:23
  care to be spoiled about the airs and keep listening.
• 47:26
  And if you want to remain unspoiled, although I feel like
• 47:29
  we did Veer into spoiler territory but we didn't, Do that
• 47:33
  much damage and also section just stop.
• 47:36
  Watch the show come back. We'll be here.
• 47:39
  Okay, where would you like to start first?
• 47:41
  Because I think we need to double back on the California
• 47:46
  episodes. Pika.
• 47:47
  Okay. Absolutely.
• 47:48
  Like I mean I was really into those it's 2013 and you have
• 47:54
  like you you enter in on this really moody 18 year old Canton
• 48:00
  with in looking back on it and like There's no way that Lehman
• 48:05
  ho can pass for an 18 year old. No, no, no.
• 48:10
  Like that's a man, right? Yeah.
• 48:12
  Okay. So there's that, and that's only
• 48:15
  suspend reality, you know? Yeah.
• 48:17
  Because none of them look like they were teenagers and like,
• 48:22
  you know, Korean skincare some of those these people look way
• 48:26
  younger than they actually are, but I still couldn't believe
• 48:29
  that. This 20 year old man was a high
• 48:32
  schooler Like know so and then so we find out he's an unwanted
• 48:38
  illegitimate child. His brother shipped him off to
• 48:41
  America. In this weird Exile thing.
• 48:44
  You don't even know you don't really understand made no sense
• 48:47
  the family Dynamics, you don't really understand it.
• 48:49
  Or you're like, okay, I guess we'll figure it out later and
• 48:54
  the scenes of him surfing. Fun fun.
• 49:03
  Fun fact, leaving. No actually learned how to surf,
• 49:07
  but is not a good swimmer. Like doesn't really know how to
• 49:11
  swim. He said that in an interview
• 49:12
  that he was like, yeah, I think they asked him like, who would
• 49:16
  you save and named to like co-stars.
• 49:19
  Yeah. Like in an instant but those are
• 49:21
  stupid interview questions but he's like, yeah, I don't really
• 49:24
  swim like that was his answer. Sir was like, I don't really
• 49:27
  swim, so I'm like, okay, cool. They got wow to learn how to
• 49:31
  survive. And then what do we get?
• 49:34
  We get an outdoor beach shower scene.
• 49:36
  Right off the bat, right off the, you gotta go, Gotta tell us
• 49:40
  on it, you know. Yeah, no, no, and I thought he
• 49:43
  looked really good like even going back and re watching.
• 49:45
  I was like, you don't even know, like had something, you know,
• 49:51
  and his hundred percent, okay? English leaving he'll speak.
• 49:56
  English abysmal. And I know he's only supposed to
• 49:59
  be in California for like three years, but he has managed to get
• 50:05
  a whole plethora of friends friends, and they all seem to
• 50:10
  understand his really bad English and I feel like if
• 50:14
  you're so immersed you probably get the hang of it, a little
• 50:17
  faster than you know usual and all the classes are in English.
• 50:24
  You know what I'm saying? Like he's doing business in
• 50:26
  English. Shhhh, and he's still pretty
• 50:28
  Rusty on speaking English. So I was like, ooh, this is
• 50:34
  painful. Why does the school look like a
• 50:37
  college instead of a high school?
• 50:39
  Like yeah, yeah. So it's just all know that
• 50:44
  there's almost a kind of suspended because the only
• 50:47
  reason was because I remember watching like the o.c.
• 50:51
  Oh, way back in early 2005 stuff.
• 50:55
  I know I'm dating. Self here but like, you know,
• 50:58
  their school very much looked like that, but they were also in
• 51:02
  high school, so I'm like, maybe it's just, like a California
• 51:05
  thing and not East Coast. We do not have campuses for high
• 51:09
  school, okay, never happened. I got Portables, did you get
• 51:14
  portables for some of our high school?
• 51:17
  No. Okay.
• 51:18
  That's might be a Florida thing. Okay, so we'll move on what so
• 51:23
  these are like temporary. It's like trailers but they're
• 51:28
  not trailers, it's like oh yes we did have something.
• 51:31
  Okay. Okay.
• 51:32
  And they were like outdoors. And yes.
• 51:34
  Yeah. You have to run to them in the
• 51:36
  in the rain and stuff. Yes!
• 51:38
  Okay! Gideon trauma, but it's a bit.
• 51:41
  Sorry. Snow.
• 51:42
  It's fine. We don't need it.
• 51:44
  Do you want to unpack that right now?
• 51:46
  No, not right now, maybe later. So the best friend with the long
• 51:50
  blond hair, atrocious actor, I know where they found this God
• 51:54
  he made me cry. And every time he came on the
• 51:59
  screen, I almost wish that. I almost wish that almond, but I
• 52:06
  was like being pasted. Yeah, I wish that bean pant by a
• 52:09
  powder, knocked him freaking out because he was, he thought it
• 52:14
  was drugs, he like took. Yeah, giant bag of bean powder
• 52:19
  like a freak. As long as you get that through
• 52:21
  customs, it gotta get that through customs.
• 52:23
  Yeah. Like what what?
• 52:27
  No, no absolutely not. And it's like, I don't know.
• 52:32
  God, long story short like so many like terrible moments so
• 52:38
  far, but at least we're in California.
• 52:40
  I guess we get Paxton a, we get her intro, she's tired of being
• 52:44
  poor. She feels awful for wanting to
• 52:46
  get out of her home situation. She feels guilty for wanting
• 52:50
  independence from her mom guilty that she wants a better life and
• 52:54
  she's like, we never Talk about this again but like she's full
• 52:58
  on abandons. Her mom in Korea, to go live
• 53:00
  with her sister in the states. That was why she landed.
• 53:04
  That was the intention of her Landing in the States.
• 53:06
  Was now I'm going to live in the United States with my sister
• 53:09
  who's doing really well, plot twists.
• 53:11
  The sisters doing terribly she's working full-time as a waitress
• 53:17
  in this weird. It looks like a regular like
• 53:20
  Beachside restaurant but somehow she's getting sexually harassed
• 53:24
  every day. All the time every Tire like
• 53:27
  it's not a booters or like a Twin Peaks sort of place.
• 53:30
  Alright, I don't get this. So again, lots of questions here
• 53:35
  especially because they're in the state.
• 53:36
  So like the level of scrutiny is a little bit higher I guess for
• 53:39
  us because we're, we're from the states, so she gets there
• 53:45
  everything is like to shit. Like the sister is in this
• 53:48
  terrible violent abusive relationship.
• 53:50
  What does dead be dude? And what looks like a crack
• 53:52
  house. Oh seriously, looks like Look
• 53:55
  right up crack house. Yes.
• 53:57
  And Lee Min-ho like sees all the drama it's like just in the
• 54:02
  middle. Like she's watching her sister.
• 54:05
  Gets sexually harassed in the restaurant and she's doing a
• 54:08
  like the puck Chanel lip biting chin quivering.
• 54:11
  Like thing is so I hate it like to this day.
• 54:16
  I hate it. I think that's ridiculous acting
• 54:20
  lip biting because she liked is frustrated and like she can't
• 54:23
  like express it any other way. Way and leaving house literally
• 54:28
  sipping coffee watching this drama play I'm saying you're
• 54:31
  Tick-Tock of literally him just watching these two and like the
• 54:38
  curb is like the Kermit. Literally the Kermit me just
• 54:48
  interesting like, not really, like, not really being a human
• 54:53
  about it. No, I know, totally just wonder
• 54:57
  what that's about. Yeah, like Lee Min-ho couldn't
• 55:00
  have like I don't know what they were thinking with with that
• 55:03
  choice, there's so many choices. Right.
• 55:05
  But that's just one of them. Yes.
• 55:08
  And then we get the bean powder, chasing through the The beach of
• 55:13
  the friend hits this volleyball, net at full speed and falls down
• 55:19
  and that's like their meat cute. Okay look it's Lee Min-ho like
• 55:23
  running after his friend going like that's not drugs.
• 55:26
  Again they end up at the hospital because of friends
• 55:29
  allergic to beans. Evidently.
• 55:32
  Yeah. And she's there and she's just
• 55:35
  like, what do I do? And they kind of like start
• 55:38
  their whole spiral relationship from there.
• 55:43
  I don't really like that. Make you at all.
• 55:45
  No, no. Like that's not a good look
• 55:47
  cute. No, not okay.
• 55:49
  Not at all. Yeah.
• 55:53
  We never Circle back on the sister at all throughout the
• 55:55
  server. I was gonna say that they
• 55:57
  literally bring her up at the I think when she gets back to
• 56:02
  Korea, her mom says that oh she called and she said like sorry.
• 56:11
  I'm what just that's it, that's not to accept of this this
• 56:16
  entire it's like a cold white right there.
• 56:18
  Okay. So all the money that the mother
• 56:22
  had like, yeah. And flux-off, like doesn't tell
• 56:26
  them where she's going. What she's doing?
• 56:28
  No. And like that's it.
• 56:31
  You guys are going to just have to write up abandoned some and
• 56:33
  you're like that's fine. No.
• 56:36
  What kind of question is that? And then they reference her and
• 56:39
  I think in the last episode or so, Where the mom was like, oh
• 56:43
  yeah. She texted me.
• 56:44
  And I was like texted, like the shops just keep coming, like,
• 56:49
  not even a call, she texted to shoot to say she was okay, she
• 56:53
  got a job. She's fine back on her feet.
• 56:56
  What crazy? Yeah.
• 56:58
  Yeah, you gotta pay us back. All the Buddies like low, Bruh.
• 57:04
  Bruh. Yeah, yeah, I hated it.
• 57:09
  They make America look really good.
• 57:11
  And really bad at the same time. Yeah, same time.
• 57:15
  The roving band of gangsters that like come Apollo my god
• 57:20
  when she's like, she's waiting for her sister by the crack
• 57:23
  house which what the fuck was she thinking?
• 57:25
  First of all and like this roving band of gangsters like
• 57:29
  walks by on the sidewalk and they start like talking about
• 57:33
  her, like they. Yeah.
• 57:35
  And she gets really scared and starts and hides and then they
• 57:38
  have that like moment where it came time, like comes back
• 57:40
  driving down. The street to pick her up.
• 57:43
  Yeah but then followed that the follows up with the other two
• 57:48
  gangsters who show up at his house but for some reason in
• 57:54
  Malibu. Yeah labou.
• 57:57
  Yeah. Why were they there for him?
• 57:59
  Exactly. Like I never under even stood
• 58:02
  that Port except for, it was just a reason for him to grab
• 58:06
  her and run. Yeah.
• 58:08
  Like an exact episode things never made sense.
• 58:12
  Yeah, no them running for and then oh my God.
• 58:15
  But the scene is so iconic. Right?
• 58:17
  Like to me this is one of the big scenes of the show is them
• 58:19
  just like running to hand in hand like through.
• 58:23
  California them running from Malibu to the Hollywood, Walk of
• 58:28
  Fame which is like an hour drive.
• 58:31
  Yes. And exact a nearly sent me over
• 58:35
  the edge because it's like one of those things where while the
• 58:39
  Korean audience would just never get Get that.
• 58:42
  This is yeah. Dead wrong.
• 58:44
  And you can't just run from Malibu to the Hollywood Walk of
• 58:47
  Fame. Yeah.
• 58:48
  And then a little Hollywood sign and then you're like yeah they
• 58:52
  were in that like residential area near the hill.
• 58:54
  Yeah. And I was like, it's so painful.
• 58:58
  It's yeah. So yeah she stays over at his
• 59:03
  mansion in Malibu, he keeps like messing with her like scares her
• 59:09
  about like taking her kidneys. And she liked actually believes
• 59:14
  him. But then actually like, why is
• 59:15
  he being such a dick? Because she's look has no
• 59:18
  passport in the states. Staying over a stranger's house
• 59:22
  is definitely just came from a crack house in a bad part of
• 59:25
  town and like, he's like joking about kidneys, taking her
• 59:31
  kidneys and stuff. And I'm like, he's clearly going
• 59:33
  through it right. He's gonna like wrong move, bro.
• 59:39
  His flirting was so questionable.
• 59:42
  Oh, yeah, but we do get the balcony stare.
• 59:45
  Like she wakes up in the morning and walks out onto this.
• 59:47
  That was funny backyard, and he's up on this balcony, staring
• 59:53
  down at her as if she's an SAT question.
• 59:57
  Like, what is the look on his face?
• 59:59
  Like I have no at this is also. I quite like this scene and then
• 1:00:02
  she like sees him and has this like, bashful look of like, oh
• 1:00:06
  yeah, sorry, I was just looking at this mess.
• 1:00:08
  Majestic View out this million dollar mansion.
• 1:00:11
  Yeah. Didn't mean to bother you here
• 1:00:15
  interrupt? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:17
  Oh man. So I just can't with these
• 1:00:23
  California over the sites like one thing after another.
• 1:00:26
  But yeah, so the he's in class, I think and she goes to school
• 1:00:31
  with him. They're talking about the most
• 1:00:34
  beautiful English word from a survey of non-english speakers
• 1:00:38
  and the word is a mother and I'm like Because he's particularly
• 1:00:44
  jabbed. He's got a fractured
• 1:00:47
  relationship with his own mom, and you're just like, oh, I get
• 1:00:51
  it, I get it. We're foreshadowing, our shadow.
• 1:00:56
  Yeah. Oh my God.
• 1:00:58
  So anyway, the last iconic thing from the the California two
• 1:01:04
  things, the California said of episodes is the do I like you
• 1:01:09
  wine? Yes.
• 1:01:10
  Hmm. Which I don't know if I had
• 1:01:12
  heard that or seen that seen before like he turns her it's
• 1:01:14
  like, do I like I don't think I've seen that prior to watching
• 1:01:19
  it washing that in real time I remember being like, Oh my God,
• 1:01:24
  what I do remember just being like, wow, I don't get it, I
• 1:01:30
  don't understand why he's asking himself.
• 1:01:34
  Yeah, it's bizarre. Yeah.
• 1:01:37
  So there's that and then the California t-shirts.
• 1:01:41
  Oh my God, I have the couple T-shirts.
• 1:01:44
  Yeah. My heart, California.
• 1:01:47
  Because this eating, they're eating breakfast.
• 1:01:50
  And I remember, she's like, I just want pancakes.
• 1:01:52
  I just want pancakes, they have pancakes and orange juice and
• 1:01:55
  all that American movies and stuff.
• 1:01:58
  Yeah, I'm like, girl, wherever you at is not where you're going
• 1:02:03
  to get the best of that. So you're not gonna get that.
• 1:02:06
  You are not going to get that because they're staying like the
• 1:02:09
  Bates Motel or something. I mean it.
• 1:02:11
  It's a moldy hotel in California, and they spend the
• 1:02:15
  night together. Nothing at all happens.
• 1:02:17
  Riddle, me. That like nothing at all of
• 1:02:22
  significance happens between his, it's a 2013 kdrama.
• 1:02:26
  So I was like, okay, cool. So I remember being a little bit
• 1:02:30
  upset back in 2013. That after this, we end up back
• 1:02:32
  in Korea and we started School drama, like, I didn't know back
• 1:02:38
  in 2013, that this was going to end up being a School drama.
• 1:02:42
  I can say that because it didn't really give that Vibe.
• 1:02:45
  Right? Like, a first three episodes 3
• 1:02:46
  episode. No, no idea that they're going
• 1:02:49
  to end up like uniforms and all in school for the large majority
• 1:02:54
  of the show. I do like the anticipation.
• 1:02:58
  You don't know when they're going to meet each other again.
• 1:03:01
  Yes and she's in the house already and then yeah.
• 1:03:03
  And the house he keeps thinking there's like a ghost.
• 1:03:06
  Yeah I like is there like a ghost here or whatever and then
• 1:03:09
  he like realizes yeah. Yeah.
• 1:03:14
  Oh god. Um she goes to get his mom, a
• 1:03:17
  bottle of wine and she's in this dark Courtyard area and she's
• 1:03:21
  using her phone as a flashlight and on her way back.
• 1:03:24
  He turns on all the courtyard lamps for her and I was like,
• 1:03:28
  oh, so Alchemy of souls is nowhere near.
• 1:03:30
  The first drama to do this like sort of bit here because like,
• 1:03:36
  lighting the way for yes, like it's so many of its at rope and
• 1:03:40
  I absolutely Shay. Jay and I don't know.
• 1:03:44
  This one was pretty good. I didn't mind this one a lot.
• 1:03:47
  I know, they've also done it in our beloved summer where you
• 1:03:51
  know, every time she like leaves the house, he like turns on the
• 1:03:53
  lights for her outside because it's dark outside his house.
• 1:03:56
  Stuff like that is really cute. Yeah.
• 1:04:00
  But then he creepily follows that up with his/her.
• 1:04:03
  Same episode. He does the turnaround thing.
• 1:04:08
  And because she's on the phone with him and she's walking ahead
• 1:04:11
  of him in the back. Oh, yeah.
• 1:04:13
  And he goes like turn around. First of all, he says, look at
• 1:04:15
  the second floor because he put the dream catcher, but ha so
• 1:04:21
  fine. Then she's like, like, oh my
• 1:04:23
  God, the Dreamcatcher. And then he says, turn around
• 1:04:26
  and he's there. And obviously, that's the big
• 1:04:29
  reveal that he's the Second Son of the family.
• 1:04:32
  Oh my gosh. I kind of engines the stalk.
• 1:04:37
  Gagging then they can say, well, I mean, from then on, it's only
• 1:04:41
  stocking, that's all it is, all it is.
• 1:04:45
  Do you think that this show made any Progressive, like, comment
• 1:04:52
  on elitism or the case system? That's in the school, or
• 1:04:58
  anything of that nature? Because I don't know if they did
• 1:05:04
  like at the end of the day, there were like here it is.
• 1:05:07
  Yes, obviously it's wrong. But you know, they're all rich
• 1:05:12
  and they all have a happy ending in the end.
• 1:05:14
  So it's like yeah I started just benefit from the system and like
• 1:05:20
  his kind of like yeah. I think it was it was very much
• 1:05:22
  like it is what it is? Yeah.
• 1:05:26
  This is this is life. This is what it this is, you're
• 1:05:29
  not going to change it right? Your you'll Ver.
• 1:05:32
  Change it, right? Um, and you know, you should
• 1:05:37
  just get, get go quick and accept that like just accept
• 1:05:42
  that this is the way it is and it will always be this way.
• 1:05:45
  So yeah, I don't think I think you know Maybe in a sense, the
• 1:05:50
  people watching, got this sense of wow this is shitty like we
• 1:05:57
  shouldn't be doing this. Like this is not how the world
• 1:06:00
  should work in schools and outside of school and everything
• 1:06:05
  like that but like this is not how it should be.
• 1:06:09
  Maybe we like can somehow fix that in the real world.
• 1:06:13
  But in the show itself I don't think it really changed anything
• 1:06:17
  like she She didn't benefit from her boyfriend being, you know,
• 1:06:22
  whatever. In fact, it made her life way
• 1:06:24
  worse. Like she was constantly bullied.
• 1:06:28
  She was constantly the, you know, in threat of everything
• 1:06:31
  and anything being thrown at her right.
• 1:06:35
  Um. It didn't her life.
• 1:06:38
  Did I like did not get any better it just for got
• 1:06:41
  progressively worse. Yeah, yeah, she's in love like,
• 1:06:45
  congrats, we are Okay sorry Avril second there through the
• 1:06:55
  love that, love it. Yeah, I was kind of annoyed at
• 1:07:00
  the end of the day because they introduce all these big Concepts
• 1:07:03
  that are the school has this crazy caste system.
• 1:07:06
  You know, the whole Elite people.
• 1:07:08
  The people at the top, are the kids that are going to inherit a
• 1:07:11
  business. The second ones are the stocks.
• 1:07:13
  The third ones are the like high honorable professions like
• 1:07:17
  judges and law firms. The I was like crap like that
• 1:07:20
  and I was like, okay, great. So this is sort of like a
• 1:07:23
  reflection of their world. Like the this top one percent
• 1:07:27
  world that they live in is bubble and the kids don't just
• 1:07:32
  do this of their own accord, like they learn this.
• 1:07:36
  They learn to discriminate against each other, like this
• 1:07:40
  and it all comes from their parents, which we see like all
• 1:07:42
  of the parents and all of their mess as well.
• 1:07:45
  Oh yeah. Yeah, so but they don't offer
• 1:07:50
  any solutions, right? Like they're not like we should
• 1:07:53
  change this you know some characters kind of go through
• 1:07:57
  the wringer because they end up lying to be in a higher position
• 1:08:04
  in the school. Like they think she's a parvenu.
• 1:08:07
  They think like Tong. Tong is up.
• 1:08:08
  Yeah, a parvenu. Whatever.
• 1:08:10
  That is new money. Yeah.
• 1:08:13
  And yeah, I didn't understand the part of a new phrase.
• 1:08:15
  I didn't get it either. Like fine, whatever.
• 1:08:18
  And this other girl also started to get bullied because her mom
• 1:08:25
  ran a brothel. Wasn't it?
• 1:08:27
  Oh the brothel. Yeah, host club like yeah.
• 1:08:31
  That's right. Yeah.
• 1:08:32
  It was a messed-up. I know she was wildly successful
• 1:08:34
  so I was like, damn but that's not honorable God.
• 1:08:39
  Oh yeah, she said they were selling water bottles.
• 1:08:42
  I was like, what I bet you she was like Like what something
• 1:08:48
  stupid enough, that people will believe, my family made tons of
• 1:08:51
  money off of it, and no one's gonna go fact-checking.
• 1:08:54
  Oh yeah, we make water bottles with so water bottles.
• 1:08:59
  So, and at the end of the day, everyone was just kind of like,
• 1:09:03
  okay, they let these two slide. And that was it like the system
• 1:09:07
  was the same, you know, large of the same.
• 1:09:13
  Yeah, it didn't change. Nobody got bullied in the hot
• 1:09:16
  seat but that's because Kim. Woo, Bin's character like
• 1:09:19
  reformed himself and like that is that?
• 1:09:23
  Yeah, that's yeah. That's the only change was
• 1:09:25
  right. The hot seat was no longer that
• 1:09:28
  seat. Yeah, it was already a seat.
• 1:09:31
  Yeah, they took a power out of it.
• 1:09:33
  Hmm. Well, you know, little changes.
• 1:09:36
  Able changes are to guess the graduates of the next year's
• 1:09:40
  changed it up even more. But hopefully, what did you
• 1:09:44
  think about the whole drama with Rachel and Cubans character
• 1:09:51
  possibly becoming siblings and their parents being engaged?
• 1:09:57
  And then that having like a weird ripple effect on everyone
• 1:10:02
  around them and their relationship and like it was
• 1:10:05
  weird. Think it was weird.
• 1:10:07
  I think I you know, when I first started the show I was almost
• 1:10:10
  thinking that they were going to end up together like a Cruel
• 1:10:13
  Intentions thing. Like they're, yes siblings.
• 1:10:16
  But like they have anything either that or like the the
• 1:10:20
  parents would end up not getting married and they were just like,
• 1:10:26
  you know, being that right dating and right what not.
• 1:10:31
  I don't know why I think because they were both such horrible
• 1:10:33
  people. Yeah, you know I was Thing
• 1:10:36
  they're going. These two are absolute trash
• 1:10:39
  especially in the beginning. Oh yeah.
• 1:10:41
  That they deserved each other 100% like they were just the
• 1:10:45
  worst of the worst but then, you know, like we said, I, you know.
• 1:10:50
  Woo, Bin's character really did develop so much more than any
• 1:10:55
  other character in this show. So by the end, I didn't see them
• 1:10:59
  ever liked being anything else she stayed, but she stayed that
• 1:11:04
  petty angry. Yeah.
• 1:11:06
  Like Listen People lovers have been scorned before you after
• 1:11:11
  you and like you know, at the same time you need to learn when
• 1:11:16
  to take the L and she just refused she how outright refused
• 1:11:22
  after he straight up said to her.
• 1:11:24
  I don't love you. I like this girl.
• 1:11:27
  Yeah he like he didn't pick her up at the airport.
• 1:11:31
  Broncos was there was so many things he didn't do like yeah he
• 1:11:34
  didn't pick her up at the airport because it was too hot.
• 1:11:36
  He didn't feel like it, like, he didn't take her on a date for
• 1:11:39
  their anniversary of their their engagement.
• 1:11:42
  He didn't, you know, he did nothing for her enough, she was
• 1:11:47
  like obsessed with her. She caught feelings hard.
• 1:11:54
  Another thing, you know, add to the like the toxicity of 2013 of
• 1:12:00
  chasing somebody, you know, doesn't want you right treats?
• 1:12:03
  You like dirt but no. No.
• 1:12:06
  No, he one day, we'll love me. He'll love me, and he'll like,
• 1:12:09
  you know, chain and no, it's not going to happen.
• 1:12:15
  Yeah, and he was like, you're the one who's breaking the rules
• 1:12:18
  by catching feelings and we have, we're have an agreement.
• 1:12:21
  It's a marriage of convenience. Why are you catching feelings?
• 1:12:24
  That's against the rules and she was like, I don't care.
• 1:12:26
  I just I want you and that's that.
• 1:12:28
  Like, yeah, yeah. And they're using was our
• 1:12:31
  problem. Rachel was such and then her
• 1:12:34
  logic of. Well, if I end the engagement,
• 1:12:37
  he'll want to be with me. Delusional Watson.
• 1:12:42
  What where do you even put that together?
• 1:12:48
  Like what I just know that's over.
• 1:12:52
  So yeah, like again in 2013 I can it makes sense because yes,
• 1:13:00
  that is what somebody would do. Like I can guarantee you that is
• 1:13:04
  very much any other show you Watch What Happens, very similar
• 1:13:08
  character. Hers and everything like that
• 1:13:11
  with that same mindset of pricing.
• 1:13:13
  If I make them hate me, right? They'll love me.
• 1:13:16
  They'll come to me, they'll come around.
• 1:13:18
  Yeah yeah and it just like it was not that and then I thinking
• 1:13:24
  yeah yeah and then you know, their whole family Dynamic
• 1:13:29
  thing. Both both like I think they're
• 1:13:33
  both woobin and I keep like, I guess I should call him young
• 1:13:37
  do. And yeah.
• 1:13:38
  Rachel come through and reach Agha.
• 1:13:40
  Yeah, they you know their parents were just as shitty as
• 1:13:47
  my God. They were just horrible.
• 1:13:50
  They were real people. They were.
• 1:13:52
  Yeah, they were. I think they were also a
• 1:13:53
  marriage of convenience. They, oh, yeah, absolutely.
• 1:13:56
  They were never in, you know, anything and she lives Yeah, she
• 1:14:01
  loved the other secretary Soul. Chief secretary talked about
• 1:14:06
  this because I think this was a giant missed opportunity in the
• 1:14:09
  show. Is that the mom Rachel's mom had
• 1:14:14
  some sort of history with the chief secretary like they were
• 1:14:17
  each other's First Love or something.
• 1:14:18
  It didn't work out, Crash and Burn and then she became a
• 1:14:21
  cold-hearted money-grubbing bitch up evidently started, her
• 1:14:24
  own business, which find great love that for her entrepreneur,
• 1:14:28
  but then she started getting, she was going to get married to
• 1:14:30
  like an Abusive wildly macho, man, just for business, just he
• 1:14:38
  was, I am more man-whores. Well and then she got offended
• 1:14:42
  that he was a man whore and you're like, I'm like, you, what
• 1:14:44
  do you want? What do you want out of this?
• 1:14:46
  What do you expect? You want loyalty actually?
• 1:14:49
  Yeah, I was very taken aback by her, but the relationship that
• 1:14:53
  she could have had with the chief secretary, oh, could have
• 1:14:56
  been. I told you, yes, they had that
• 1:15:00
  scene where The he like, oh my God, where he just like, kisses
• 1:15:03
  her it, bro, even though I was like, well actually yes, so
• 1:15:12
  she's engaged. They had this really tense
• 1:15:15
  conversation with her fiance and then the chief secretary is
• 1:15:18
  there and the hyung is there, sometimes brothers, or two And
• 1:15:26
  one minute, you know, he's the chief secretary is getting an
• 1:15:32
  earful from the machismo fiance who's being extremely rude.
• 1:15:36
  The chief secretary gets up and talks on the phone, with his
• 1:15:39
  sons. Like yeah, I'm going to be home
• 1:15:40
  late. Don't wait up for me.
• 1:15:41
  It's fine. Then.
• 1:15:43
  Boom, like he turns around and like, plants went on her in this
• 1:15:48
  hallway. I don't know where and it's this
• 1:15:52
  steamy makeout session. In public here in this.
• 1:15:56
  What hotel? I guess.
• 1:15:58
  Yeah. I was so taken aback.
• 1:16:02
  I was completely surprised. My wig was snatched.
• 1:16:05
  That was one of those moments where I was like, I do not
• 1:16:08
  remember this at all. At always very I was like, oh
• 1:16:12
  and I drama. Okay.
• 1:16:14
  Oh okay, okay, okay G13 on this, but okay.
• 1:16:20
  All right. Very missed.
• 1:16:24
  Because they never should probably wash because they,
• 1:16:27
  yeah, they never be. Don't come back tonight.
• 1:16:29
  Just, they just like showed that like I think in a future
• 1:16:32
  episode. Kim Tans mother has the photo.
• 1:16:39
  Yes of them that, which only time it's ever really circled
• 1:16:43
  back. Right?
• 1:16:45
  Right. Because they never like she's
• 1:16:47
  waiting for him to call her and he's like, this isn't a good
• 1:16:50
  idea. I'm not going to give you my
• 1:16:51
  number. If you really want my number,
• 1:16:53
  you'll figure it out and then she does like figure it out and
• 1:16:56
  calls him at like they don't develop anything.
• 1:16:59
  It doesn't become this like Saucy side plot that you want it
• 1:17:03
  to be, especially with that. Like episode 6 like boom makeout
• 1:17:08
  session, no other character gets that not even the main people
• 1:17:13
  get such a like intense scene where it's I'm just like, wow,
• 1:17:20
  why? We'll put that in it like yeah,
• 1:17:22
  yeah, it was, it was. Yeah, I think they expected to
• 1:17:26
  make it more and then ended up just going.
• 1:17:28
  You know what, we got other things to deal with that.
• 1:17:31
  We have to address that this is just gonna know.
• 1:17:33
  We have more like Singing and more shocking.
• 1:17:37
  Crying crying wallowing self-loathing.
• 1:17:42
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:45
  Love those parts. Love.
• 1:17:47
  There was, I remember there was one part where I just, I had to
• 1:17:51
  sit there and just go. Why are they crying?
• 1:17:55
  Well, the staring at each other, which part was that?
• 1:17:58
  Yeah, I know, there were so many, it was I want to say he
• 1:18:04
  had Kim Tan had just been like, kicked out of his house.
• 1:18:09
  And he goes to see her at the coffee shop.
• 1:18:13
  I think that he just he imploded the engagement and he said the
• 1:18:17
  truth that his mother was. Yes, oh yes.
• 1:18:20
  Oh yes, I dragged him out of the room and it was like how could
• 1:18:24
  you do that? Blah blah.
• 1:18:25
  And it like you know, obviously he doesn't really understand
• 1:18:29
  that it's dry a giant deal and yeah, I think his dad slaps him
• 1:18:36
  Yeah, probably yeah. And then he goes back to the
• 1:18:40
  coffee shop because he went to the coffee shop before this
• 1:18:43
  whole thing went down. Then he went home, did some shit
• 1:18:46
  and then went back to the coffee shop afterward and he just shows
• 1:18:51
  up. And why is he crying with like
• 1:18:52
  his mouth open? Yeah, I've ever really tearing
• 1:18:56
  at each other and she starts crying too, and then she starts
• 1:18:59
  crying. And I'm like, why are you?
• 1:19:01
  Crying. No words have been said is
• 1:19:03
  happening. I yeah, it.
• 1:19:05
  Is like I just and I think that's how the episode ended and
• 1:19:09
  then like it came back like the next episode and they're still
• 1:19:13
  just crying. They're still there and like
• 1:19:15
  nothing has been explained and you're just like somebody
• 1:19:19
  explain why they're crying to each other.
• 1:19:21
  I I guess you there were a lot of those seasons though but
• 1:19:25
  know. So many of those scenes you're
• 1:19:27
  absolutely right where there's no reason why she should be
• 1:19:30
  sympathy crying. Such a weak character such a
• 1:19:35
  week. Actors for Thomas on.
• 1:19:37
  I just again that parchin 8 got always got those characters.
• 1:19:42
  I like really just could never get behind her acting because I
• 1:19:46
  always even when I hadn't watched the show, I had seen
• 1:19:50
  clips and stuff of it and I went, this is what I saw from
• 1:19:54
  her in boy. No Flower Boy, Next from her in
• 1:19:59
  like, you know, all these other shows that I've washed.
• 1:20:01
  Right, I'm like, right, like know.
• 1:20:03
  Hey, Tupac SHINee but I just don't really Stand how she made
• 1:20:07
  it. You know, I think, I don't know.
• 1:20:12
  I don't know. She's beautiful.
• 1:20:14
  She's very beautiful. Oh, yeah.
• 1:20:16
  And I think, I think you know, that might have been her selling
• 1:20:19
  point, and they said, can you cry?
• 1:20:22
  And then they said yep. Okay.
• 1:20:25
  And there's now he's like, oh yeah, you know, I just, it's
• 1:20:29
  very frustrating to watch most of her dramas like again.
• 1:20:34
  I think she works better maybe in smaller Doses and that's why
• 1:20:37
  I like her movies the movies. Yeah, I agree.
• 1:20:40
  But like first of all, why was the show 20 episodes?
• 1:20:45
  It was such a struggle. It was right?
• 1:20:48
  What's it doing evidence? I could have easily been 16
• 1:20:51
  nowadays, Ali 12:10. Maybe just took a, tighten it up
• 1:20:58
  so much. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:00
  But you take out a lot of those plot points that were like
• 1:21:03
  unnecessary like table. What's his name?
• 1:21:09
  The kid in his tutor. Oh my God.
• 1:21:12
  Come from the and his to. Yeah, that is tutor but also
• 1:21:18
  like she was with the wicked brother brother.
• 1:21:22
  Yes. Yes, like, oh my God, oh my God.
• 1:21:30
  Love triangle. And then, I know you had brought
• 1:21:37
  it up but like I say, I did not understand the animosity between
• 1:21:44
  Kim Tan and kill. His first name was Juan young.
• 1:21:53
  Wait, no Kim Wan. It was yeah.
• 1:22:00
  Yeah, they're brothers. And they have similar names.
• 1:22:03
  Yes, I so yeah, I just couldn't understand the animosity.
• 1:22:09
  He had like, so I don't get it either.
• 1:22:13
  Like, oh it, like it was cruel. It was cruel.
• 1:22:17
  It was, it was cruel. And like, I get hit, like, I to
• 1:22:20
  an extent, I understood, you know, he was worried about the
• 1:22:26
  business and like, you know, nothing, whatever shares, but
• 1:22:30
  from everything that they said about Kim Tan, like it didn't
• 1:22:36
  make sense that he would become know this.
• 1:22:38
  CEO or take can wands, right space?
• 1:22:43
  So like why did he even said, I don't want it.
• 1:22:46
  You said it countless times. I don't want it.
• 1:22:48
  It's yours. It's not what I wanted to do and
• 1:22:52
  that he's not dude, I hate you like go to California.
• 1:22:56
  Like I don't want to see you. I don't want it.
• 1:22:59
  Like you are not my brother and it's like, what?
• 1:23:03
  What? And then, like a logic, it was
• 1:23:05
  magical, it was so illogical and then like, you know, Whoever
• 1:23:09
  dropped the bomb about Kim Tan, being the Mistresses son and not
• 1:23:17
  his actual whatever. And then they're like, okay,
• 1:23:20
  that's the perfect time to give him all of the shares so that he
• 1:23:24
  can now actually be the CEO like highest shareholder.
• 1:23:29
  Whatever. What the Mania around, them, it
• 1:23:35
  looking shares. Okay, so let's break this down
• 1:23:39
  really fast because I let I think you're touching on just
• 1:23:42
  like the family dynamics of Team times family, which for some
• 1:23:48
  reason, their dad. We'll call him chairman Dad?
• 1:23:53
  Yeah, wants his sons to fight for control over the company
• 1:23:59
  because that's what he did. Evidently yeah, was wheeling and
• 1:24:02
  dealing, and chopping off heads in his younger days to gain
• 1:24:07
  control over this conglomerate, which fine.
• 1:24:10
  So, he believes that his sons should do the same, and he sort
• 1:24:16
  of bread this animosity into both of them.
• 1:24:20
  However, Kim Won. Older brother was really keen on
• 1:24:23
  just hating the, the younger brother ever since they were
• 1:24:27
  children because he just felt like the dad owed it to him to
• 1:24:37
  negate him to negate, the younger brother, like Keen fan
• 1:24:41
  out of, I don't know what like for what does he owe that to his
• 1:24:45
  older son to not give any affection to the younger son?
• 1:24:48
  I don't know. I'd again It's not really.
• 1:24:54
  Told that well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:57
  All you get this weird flashback before the dad has an aneurysm
• 1:25:01
  right where he feels sort of guilty for not giving any
• 1:25:06
  affection toward to keep, then I guess it was, because the first
• 1:25:11
  wife died and that was Kim ones. Mom.
• 1:25:13
  And then, the dad had this really stupid time.
• 1:25:18
  I guess where he thought, oh yeah, I'll get married to this
• 1:25:21
  lady. We won't have any kids.
• 1:25:23
  Then I'll just have a mistress on the side and have a child
• 1:25:26
  with a mistress. And bring her into our home.
• 1:25:29
  I'm absolutely. And have her not be able to
• 1:25:32
  leave said home because we don't want people to find out so she's
• 1:25:36
  basically a prisoner in this home in the Mansion like what
• 1:25:42
  it. So I only just a problem is that
• 1:25:45
  the chairman dad is a robot. Like he's not a human because he
• 1:25:50
  has no feels no compassion. Nothing, not know.
• 1:25:54
  Love nothing toward his sons. Especially Keen time because of
• 1:25:58
  course, Kim Tan is the one, stirring, the pot throughout the
• 1:26:00
  show. And someone ends up, like
• 1:26:05
  softening towards Kim Tan towards the end, and they team
• 1:26:07
  up, and it ends up being like them against the dad.
• 1:26:09
  And then the dead whole, this is, I feel like this is bad
• 1:26:12
  writing because then the Dad instead of them squaring off
• 1:26:16
  against the dad4real right in the final episodes because he's
• 1:26:19
  been such an antagonist or both of them throughout the whole of
• 1:26:22
  the show, they just make the chairman dad have an aneurysm,
• 1:26:26
  they take him off the plane board.
• 1:26:27
  Completely and the boys have to team up to save the dad's spot
• 1:26:32
  as chairman of his own company. So I'm like where is that like
• 1:26:35
  why? Yeah.
• 1:26:37
  Why is this the thing now? Yeah and it truly kind of felt
• 1:26:41
  like a saga of drama to me like especially toward the latter
• 1:26:45
  episodes where you have like the bones of a saga cook.
• 1:26:49
  You have the main couple like they meet under strange
• 1:26:52
  circumstances outside of the palace.
• 1:26:55
  So to speak, then drama drama. Emma drama angst, pain, second
• 1:26:59
  male lead second, female lead, love, triangle, love rectangle,
• 1:27:02
  Ang's pain, breakup reunions and then bam political machinations
• 1:27:07
  that had been on the fringes of the show really amp up and
• 1:27:12
  someone stages a coup. Like, that's what happens
• 1:27:14
  though. Wife stages a coup and I'm like
• 1:27:17
  that is basically a psychic like the recipe for isaku.
• 1:27:20
  Yeah, yeah. And that's what happens in airs,
• 1:27:23
  right? And it's no coincidence that
• 1:27:25
  they're talking about like heirs And the throne and all the court
• 1:27:29
  like shit. Right that?
• 1:27:31
  Yeah. Very reminiscent of they think
• 1:27:33
  they're royalty. They think this is their little
• 1:27:35
  kingdom. And you know, what are they
• 1:27:38
  going to do? This is a power play that's
• 1:27:40
  happening in the background for most of the show and then and
• 1:27:44
  and episodes it becomes like the main thing.
• 1:27:46
  Yeah. So it's annoying.
• 1:27:49
  It's I think it was a cop out. It is a cop-out, absolutely
• 1:27:54
  especially because you want the chairman die.
• 1:27:57
  Dad to get some sort of comeuppance, you want him to get
• 1:28:02
  absolutely or you want him to genuinely sort of feel empathy
• 1:28:07
  or sympathy and realize what he did.
• 1:28:10
  Yeah, what he did, he ruin their life actively ruin their lives.
• 1:28:14
  Exactly when the lives of both of his, the women in his life,
• 1:28:18
  who are for all intents and purposes, like the mistress, mom
• 1:28:23
  is taking care of him. He's like not working and he's
• 1:28:27
  real. Basically retired because of his
• 1:28:28
  health and she's living with him and, you know, caring for him
• 1:28:32
  and being there for him and he's looks down on her.
• 1:28:36
  He thinks she's lesser, he doesn't want anyone to know
• 1:28:40
  that. You know, that came down was
• 1:28:43
  born out of wedlock, that he's the son of a mistress and I'm
• 1:28:47
  like, you did that, like, it's all him and he doesn't, he
• 1:28:51
  doesn't realize that he's the freaking issue.
• 1:28:54
  Yeah, he's the problem. Yes.
• 1:28:56
  And he starts He's blaming the mom at the end of the show, he's
• 1:29:00
  like it's because of your low class blood that like, Kim Tan,
• 1:29:02
  like turned out this way. And this whole thing happened
• 1:29:05
  and like like how can you when he went off?
• 1:29:08
  I do, he said that to her, I was like, if you don't leave him
• 1:29:14
  right now, oh my God. I yeah, I hated it and he was
• 1:29:20
  like and you know like there's always going to be characters
• 1:29:22
  you absolutely hate and I don't want him honestly I didn't I
• 1:29:27
  want him to ever get redeemed right would have loved for them
• 1:29:31
  to get that comeuppance. I would have loved for them to
• 1:29:35
  take him down and say, hey look, you don't need to fight family
• 1:29:41
  to make your life successful family.
• 1:29:44
  Helps you be successful, right? And you can suck it.
• 1:29:48
  Yeah. And like like you said, they
• 1:29:50
  didn't get to do that. No it come.
• 1:29:52
  So close though made me so angry.
• 1:29:54
  They get some clothes angry because the mom Ends up leaving
• 1:29:58
  him, he's home alone. Kim Tan is like, you're not?
• 1:30:03
  I'm not we're not related anymore.
• 1:30:07
  Deuces out. And the old man is left in that
• 1:30:09
  giant mansion by himself. Yeah, the brothers have
• 1:30:13
  reconciled like there now like on pretty good terms and I'm
• 1:30:17
  like okay great like he's gonna live with regret or something
• 1:30:21
  that he pushed everyone away and he was like dead wrong and
• 1:30:26
  everything is entirely. Mentality, the way he lived his
• 1:30:30
  life and instead, he just like heels over.
• 1:30:33
  He's in a coma for like three episodes or something.
• 1:30:36
  Yeah. And they have a rally around the
• 1:30:38
  old man, to, like Stave off the coup.
• 1:30:40
  And I'm like, this is so wrong. Like you had just let first of
• 1:30:44
  all, just let him die. Like I wish you'd just die and
• 1:30:47
  they have to tell you what the Fallout of that versus he's in a
• 1:30:50
  coma and he may or may not, you know, get out, come back.
• 1:30:55
  Yeah, come back out of it. Oh my God.
• 1:30:57
  Good. Yeah, I'm streaming.
• 1:31:00
  Yeah, let me see. Yeah, a lot of my notes are
• 1:31:07
  about Rachel because I just say everyone is so annoying.
• 1:31:12
  Yeah yeah! Oh and then the kid I'm looking
• 1:31:21
  at the thing Yong Yong. Su buy the kit Park.
• 1:31:26
  Hyung sik. Yeah.
• 1:31:27
  How can you say like yeah his character was so stupid but like
• 1:31:34
  the best comedic relief of that entire show like when he camps
• 1:31:39
  out. Oh, yeah, cuz Kim Khan and tall
• 1:31:44
  and song are like in his young and Kim Tan changes the
• 1:31:48
  password, and when they come out, he's just there with his
• 1:31:51
  camera. I was dying.
• 1:31:54
  I was dying. And then when they had him be
• 1:31:57
  the The DJ at Uncle and he's like getting back together and
• 1:32:05
  party. First of all who ever has a
• 1:32:10
  Getting Back Together party like so extra.
• 1:32:13
  It's and then it gets ruined because Rachel pulled a Rachel
• 1:32:17
  and like it was great. Oh my God, it was hot.
• 1:32:22
  He was probably my favorite character simply because of that
• 1:32:27
  because He was just so literally there just for the comedic
• 1:32:31
  relief of that your show, and I absolutely loved it.
• 1:32:34
  I agree, completely, I think what frustrated me about looking
• 1:32:43
  at my notes in, this is terrible like, you know, you had this
• 1:32:47
  female lead who's tired of living life, right?
• 1:32:51
  She's tired of like hustling and she has this moment in episode 7
• 1:32:56
  were again. Outside of Where she works.
• 1:32:58
  He's bothering her at work and she says, like Kim time keeps
• 1:33:01
  making her uncomfortable, she just wants to be left alone, so
• 1:33:05
  she can graduate and live a better life.
• 1:33:07
  Once used legally, an adult, but she keeps feeling trapped.
• 1:33:12
  So she says this really stupid line.
• 1:33:15
  I don't know how Kamon suck wrote this.
• 1:33:16
  She says, I'm really lost about what I should do right now.
• 1:33:20
  Which I don't like it when, like, women characters are like,
• 1:33:25
  I don't know what to do. Yeah.
• 1:33:29
  Right. Yeah.
• 1:33:30
  I think she does were the one who always.
• 1:33:32
  Exactly. Exactly there.
• 1:33:34
  Who said that? Somebody had a great quote about
• 1:33:37
  that. Where I think it was.
• 1:33:38
  Oh my God, Reese Witherspoon. I think it was.
• 1:33:41
  Yeah, it's a tiger. She said yeah.
• 1:33:44
  Like women always want to do Yemen.
• 1:33:47
  Would never ask what on man. Ask said, a woman has the
• 1:33:53
  solution. And it's funny because actually,
• 1:33:56
  now that I think about it, in my, in my book that I just came
• 1:34:00
  out with. Yeah, he goes.
• 1:34:03
  He goes, like, what do we do? And she's like, funny, you
• 1:34:06
  asked, and she pulls out like a whole plan.
• 1:34:09
  Alright, what they can do to to make this salute like to solve
• 1:34:13
  the problem you're telling me, she's been wallowing and hasn't
• 1:34:16
  come up with any solutions. A single plan, a single plan,
• 1:34:20
  Ass. I don't think so.
• 1:34:21
  Then he answers her because she's like, amusing.
• 1:34:26
  I don't really, I'm really lost about what I should do and he
• 1:34:28
  says, this is terrible. Like this is such a red flag.
• 1:34:32
  He says, do you want me to tell you?
• 1:34:34
  Get out of my house tomorrow. Will that be hard?
• 1:34:38
  Do you want to continue going to school?
• 1:34:41
  Then I want you to start liking me and be sincere while you're
• 1:34:45
  at it. I like you.
• 1:34:50
  All right. God, direct ride.
• 1:34:56
  Just this is romance. Yeah this is apparently as like
• 1:35:02
  and they were all like that back.
• 1:35:04
  Then if you think about it they were all like that back then
• 1:35:07
  where the man said you liked me. Yeah.
• 1:35:10
  Yeah. What nothing like that.
• 1:35:12
  That's not how this works. That's not how this works.
• 1:35:15
  There is such, there's nothing like a confession with the
• 1:35:18
  threat of him, throwing her out of the house if she does.
• 1:35:21
  Right. Right.
• 1:35:22
  Yeah. But then when y'all do, what
• 1:35:25
  y'all do, Or do yeah. When he confesses it's an actual
• 1:35:33
  confession. Yes.
• 1:35:36
  And I'm sitting there going, you're telling me he doesn't get
• 1:35:39
  the girl. What was like?
• 1:35:42
  He straight up like explains to her.
• 1:35:45
  How she's like changed his perspective of.
• 1:35:48
  Yeah. Everything that he thinks and
• 1:35:51
  like, how he's made these changes and he will continue to
• 1:35:54
  make changes to get her to like him because he likes her so
• 1:36:00
  much. Yeah.
• 1:36:02
  And yet, she goes to the guy who says that to her says that.
• 1:36:06
  Yeah, she changes changes young, though so much that he ends up
• 1:36:12
  going to apologize to that guy that he bullied so hard.
• 1:36:15
  That he'd left the school. He sincerely apologize.
• 1:36:20
  Yes, I am. And I mean that's a giant moment
• 1:36:24
  of growth that content. Doesn't that have a moment like
• 1:36:26
  that? Where he's like, nope.
• 1:36:28
  Nope, I just some wrong. He's well, he does actually
• 1:36:32
  because I think he bullied that guy first and then in the school
• 1:36:37
  he was like stopping. He apologized apologized.
• 1:36:40
  He was like, look. Yeah, he does apologize, I had
• 1:36:42
  J. He's like look, I'm sorry, but,
• 1:36:45
  you know, he's already there at the beginning of the show this
• 1:36:47
  starts It's and he's already in that place, right where he's
• 1:36:50
  like. I know I was a bully.
• 1:36:51
  I know I started the system. You know I was wrong and I don't
• 1:36:56
  want this. No one's exactly.
• 1:36:57
  Yeah, yeah, but yeah, but the first kiss on the oh go ahead
• 1:37:02
  but heating up, but he makes all these dumb decisions and the
• 1:37:06
  only reason the only reason I'll give him that.
• 1:37:08
  He makes said dumb decisions is because he's a teenager I had
• 1:37:12
  like he playing a teenager. Yeah it because like I know what
• 1:37:16
  I was a teenager I Med. I made some very poor decisions.
• 1:37:21
  Meanwhile mine didn't cost my family, millions and billions of
• 1:37:25
  dollars but like very much. I definitely made poor
• 1:37:30
  decisions. So like I had to like you said,
• 1:37:32
  I had to keep, I had to keep reminding myself that they're in
• 1:37:35
  high school when they're going to make these mistakes
• 1:37:39
  decisions. Yes, exactly.
• 1:37:41
  What's a stupid decision? The first kiss up on the
• 1:37:44
  rooftop. Did you, did you open?
• 1:37:48
  She's been through a very stressful scary.
• 1:37:51
  Few minutes eating with young do because he's in the middle of
• 1:37:56
  like bullying, her not bullying her.
• 1:37:58
  He's trying not to bully her, but he's so aggressive and
• 1:38:01
  intimidating, that she's scared shitless and he makes her sit in
• 1:38:05
  the hot seat at lunch. She thinks that he's bullying,
• 1:38:08
  her, he's not, he's trying to woo her go figure.
• 1:38:11
  Yeah, and the boys Clash, Kim Tan screams for her to get up.
• 1:38:17
  Because seems like disrupts the whole lunch that they're having
• 1:38:22
  and she young though trips her like you on purpose.
• 1:38:27
  And you know, she'd breaks up this fight.
• 1:38:30
  That's about to happen by saying like like take me out of here.
• 1:38:33
  So, Kim time. Thanks.
• 1:38:34
  Yeah, rooftop. Yeah.
• 1:38:35
  She's crying on the roof and decides in a frightening, Lee,
• 1:38:41
  lack of sense at all to answer young those call because he
• 1:38:44
  calls her on her cell phone. Yeah.
• 1:38:46
  And she's like, In a frenzy, she's like, well, he knows the
• 1:38:49
  truth. I'm not a parvenu.
• 1:38:52
  Yeah, poor person. And, you know, to stop her from
• 1:38:55
  answering the phone Kim Tan. Just aggressively kisses her on
• 1:39:00
  the rooftop. Yep.
• 1:39:02
  Yeah, that I have to say, I didn't like any of their kisses.
• 1:39:07
  Oh my God, same only hide it. The only one that I was like,
• 1:39:14
  you know what? This is passable and it was the
• 1:39:17
  store. George room case in episode
• 1:39:19
  sixties favorite, really? I think it was like, his hand
• 1:39:28
  grabbed her chin or something. And I was like, so but directly
• 1:39:33
  preceded by him aggressively and desperately telling her not to
• 1:39:37
  do as he says to wait. Every time has to go and he
• 1:39:41
  says, and he confiscates her passport.
• 1:39:43
  Like it's like, oh, God. Yeah, the red flags so maybe the
• 1:39:57
  only the kiss I like it was when he He pecks her like twice.
• 1:40:05
  I can't remember everything that you like, because she's like,
• 1:40:09
  Hawking and he's like, why don't you shut up.
• 1:40:11
  If you don't drop him in the kiss you?
• 1:40:13
  Yeah, and they like pecks or twice.
• 1:40:15
  I think I think that's because she kept talking.
• 1:40:18
  She kept. I thought that one was yeah, I
• 1:40:21
  thought that one was cute because I was like, okay that's
• 1:40:23
  like a little but even so like my guy, my guy did not know a
• 1:40:32
  good Moment at all to, to kiss at all.
• 1:40:37
  No, no. It was always like, forced.
• 1:40:41
  Yes, yeah, yes. Yeah.
• 1:40:44
  Oh gosh, yeah. The reunions party though for
• 1:40:47
  the friends, Getting Back Together.
• 1:40:49
  Rachel not Rachel, you know, I'm talking about the her BFF and
• 1:40:56
  Crystal Crystal scared. I'm looking.
• 1:41:00
  Yeah. Broken up and then they get,
• 1:41:01
  yes, yes. She was the daughter of the
• 1:41:05
  woman. Yeah.
• 1:41:09
  Rachel does a Rachel and it's like this whole trap to get her
• 1:41:12
  to reveal that she's poor Kim Tan shows up.
• 1:41:18
  Flips, the drinks over that she brought from her job and pulls
• 1:41:23
  her out of the party. And she tells him, like I wanted
• 1:41:27
  to tell the truth. I'm not ashamed of being poor.
• 1:41:31
  I'm just really ashamed of the lie that, you know.
• 1:41:34
  You kind of forced me into this life saying I'm part.
• 1:41:37
  I'm a parvenu. Which first of all, yes, he did
• 1:41:41
  force her in like telling this lie and being like, yeah, she's
• 1:41:45
  a parvenu because he spoke on her.
• 1:41:46
  Behalf fine. Second of all a fucking course.
• 1:41:50
  She's a ashamed of being poor. Yeah, because she kept up with
• 1:41:55
  it yet she come up with the lie. No one told her to write that
• 1:42:00
  her mom was a housewife on her intake form at school when she's
• 1:42:04
  really a housekeeper. Like that was like a case in
• 1:42:07
  point right there. Yeah.
• 1:42:08
  She was like, literally a shame. No.
• 1:42:10
  She's like a housewife. Yeah.
• 1:42:13
  And the teacher was like, isn't she a housekeeper?
• 1:42:16
  She's both. Oh yeah.
• 1:42:18
  She's both like, what came time was nowhere near her and she was
• 1:42:22
  still lying about Her mom, she's ashamed.
• 1:42:25
  Yeah, yeah, 100%. So I hated that all of us and
• 1:42:29
  she was like, I'm not ashamed of being but bitch.
• 1:42:31
  Yes, you are just admit it just admit that you're ashamed of it
• 1:42:36
  and I probably would have more respect for you.
• 1:42:38
  Right? For admitting that.
• 1:42:39
  You were she? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:42:42
  So, but now she's taking the bull by the horns, which is
• 1:42:44
  fine. But like ultimately I was just
• 1:42:48
  really frustrated throughout the show that Kim Tan is constantly
• 1:42:52
  taking away her. See and she lets him, you know,
• 1:42:56
  he sways her, he badges her into lying for appearances in the
• 1:43:00
  name of survival. I put air quotes there and he's
• 1:43:04
  always just yanking her around. Pushing your grabbing her
• 1:43:06
  telling her what to do. Sit here.
• 1:43:08
  Get up. Leave, where are you?
• 1:43:10
  And it's super toxic. It's so toxic.
• 1:43:13
  It is. It's insane.
• 1:43:16
  I'm talking. It was and yet like, like you
• 1:43:19
  said, when you watched it and 2013 it probably wasn't Like I
• 1:43:23
  was like all right like you know, but I was just like, all
• 1:43:31
  right like I just took it like it wasn't.
• 1:43:33
  I wasn't question. Yeah.
• 1:43:36
  Yeah like it's exactly know it's hard to explain but while today
• 1:43:40
  we question it today I'm like questioning heart.
• 1:43:44
  Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
• 1:43:46
  But he finally lets her sort of Take the Wheel here because they
• 1:43:51
  get back to the get back into the party.
• 1:43:53
  She gets replacement drinks and he watches her confess to being
• 1:43:59
  poor stupid. But anyway and then he even
• 1:44:03
  stops her best friend from like Fearing, and this is actually a
• 1:44:08
  good part because he's, they asked him like, oh, was Kim Tan.
• 1:44:12
  Also fooled. Did he also know that she is
• 1:44:15
  poor? Yes stuff.
• 1:44:16
  And he was like, yeah. I was fooled and like, I
• 1:44:19
  paraphrase here, but she says something.
• 1:44:22
  Yeah, she acted all strong, but look, she's trembling and planet
• 1:44:26
  of course. He knew.
• 1:44:27
  Yeah. Pouring.
• 1:44:29
  Like he knew that she was gonna like confess.
• 1:44:30
  Yeah, nothing. Yeah.
• 1:44:31
  Nothing changed. No.
• 1:44:33
  So. But then they have this, like,
• 1:44:35
  really cage Moment, they don't believe this like, oh my God, oh
• 1:44:45
  my God, oh my God, oh, he's slowly like strips off her work
• 1:44:52
  apron, which is like, why is this?
• 1:44:53
  So sensual actually put some a corsage as if it's a fucking
• 1:44:59
  prom and he kisses her on the forehead and I'm like, what is
• 1:45:03
  my question was my question? Those corsages was do.
• 1:45:07
  They think Americans have like, studies get together were Union
• 1:45:12
  parties and we put corsages on and like celebrate people
• 1:45:17
  getting back together. No, sorry.
• 1:45:21
  It's not how that works. Yeah, so watching too many.
• 1:45:27
  They've been watching too many prom.
• 1:45:28
  Oh my God, movies. Oh man.
• 1:45:31
  So let's talk real fast about conquering those character
• 1:45:34
  because okay. Is the kid who like he's older.
• 1:45:38
  I think he's a senior while they're sophomores or something
• 1:45:40
  like that. And he has a very interesting
• 1:45:44
  subplot that I thought like, well, does the, they didn't
• 1:45:48
  like, they didn't build it enough.
• 1:45:50
  I don't know. It was very juicy.
• 1:45:51
  Nope. Because he skipped never mind
• 1:45:53
  the whole, like, he has a crush on his tutor thing and like, it
• 1:45:56
  doesn't work out, it's like, half baked, whatever.
• 1:45:59
  But he skips the csat, and his mom and dad are calmly, but
• 1:46:05
  firmly, Suffocating and overbearing and they're choosing
• 1:46:09
  his future for him and he's just expected to comply.
• 1:46:13
  And on top of all this, they've been talking back and forth and
• 1:46:17
  hushed tones about his suicide attempt, which the mom is like
• 1:46:24
  completely denying or dismissing Waters it.
• 1:46:28
  And, yes, it and it's nauseating to see him at home with his mom,
• 1:46:33
  and how, like, your kind of Reid for his character towards the
• 1:46:37
  end, especially like, right before he enlists.
• 1:46:40
  I'm like, they better not. He better not try to under live
• 1:46:45
  in sin again because yeah, you know, I feel like he was put in
• 1:46:50
  a corner. Yeah use completely trapped and
• 1:46:55
  and I remember in like the first episode you ever like saw him
• 1:46:58
  again. What's he like ran to the kids
• 1:47:01
  bathroom? I think it was yeah.
• 1:47:04
  Young young who's back? A through.
• 1:47:06
  Yeah. And at the was like, yeah.
• 1:47:09
  I'm like, what the heck? Like, what's what's going up
• 1:47:12
  with him? Like, you could, I could like,
• 1:47:14
  clearly tell. And then like, he he talks about
• 1:47:17
  how he doesn't eat. Yeah.
• 1:47:19
  Literally. Just lived on those like ginseng
• 1:47:22
  packets and his pills and then like, you know, he brings up the
• 1:47:26
  fact, he liked was hoarding his father sleeping pills or
• 1:47:30
  something so that and you're sitting there and the moms just
• 1:47:33
  got this like almost Crazy. I'd like you're not gonna I will
• 1:47:40
  make sure you don't make do anything.
• 1:47:42
  Yeah that I don't say you can do.
• 1:47:46
  And I'm like, this kids story is like insane and I almost wished,
• 1:47:54
  they focused more on it. I wish we saw more of his, his
• 1:48:00
  character and absolutely, because I wanted to see.
• 1:48:05
  I wanted to see like his struggle and I wanted to see
• 1:48:08
  him. Absolutely.
• 1:48:09
  I'm past it and like, survive it essentially.
• 1:48:12
  Mmm, and I'm sad, we didn't really get to see it.
• 1:48:15
  Absolutely. Yeah.
• 1:48:17
  Um the other this is just like a funny side note.
• 1:48:23
  They do this like group project which comes to nothing and the
• 1:48:27
  boys end up at the coffee shop where and song works.
• 1:48:31
  And she goes, Woo. Bin says his ideal group project
• 1:48:35
  Partners would be him, Thailand song, Suzy & Hyuna, which art
• 1:48:41
  like you're not alone is like, oh my God, but he ends up start
• 1:48:45
  co-starring with Z and Susan will be fine.
• 1:48:48
  And I'm like, oh my God, what is he just he nailed that.
• 1:48:53
  He knew, he knew teacher. Absolutely, yeah.
• 1:48:58
  The when time becomes the largest shareholder I don't want
• 1:49:02
  to talk about the shares like that much.
• 1:49:03
  But like this is all while he's under house arrest, his dad the
• 1:49:09
  chairman dad is such a royal asshole because he's actually
• 1:49:13
  pleased that Kim Tan. Feels isolated and then he's
• 1:49:18
  lost his entire family and whatever budding relationship
• 1:49:22
  that he had with his brother was squashed with the shares and he
• 1:49:27
  just says like, that's the The weight of the crowd you bear.
• 1:49:30
  Yes. Well God, that's freaking
• 1:49:32
  statement. God if I don't have to hear that
• 1:49:38
  again I know I would love it. I would love to never hear that
• 1:49:43
  again. I know, I think in episode 17
• 1:49:49
  there was just a lot of wallowing because they break up.
• 1:49:51
  She moves to that Seaside Town very Boys Over Flowers of her
• 1:49:55
  and it truly it's like a remake of Boys Over Flowers and time
• 1:50:02
  goes to his brother and says save and song from father and
• 1:50:06
  from Me home school friends and even the future, she dreamed of.
• 1:50:09
  I ruined it all. I did my best to stay with her.
• 1:50:12
  But why is this the only way to protect her?
• 1:50:14
  Why does leaving have to be the solution?
• 1:50:16
  Which I'm like again if you just think through it a little longer
• 1:50:21
  if that's not the only solution. And I love how he says like even
• 1:50:27
  the future she dreamed of what was the future?
• 1:50:30
  She dreamed of. She never know she had no
• 1:50:33
  chance, she had no emotional and she had.
• 1:50:36
  No, anything like I didn't even see her draw a little Doodle.
• 1:50:40
  And say I want to be an artist like there was nothing to that
• 1:50:44
  girl. Nothing.
• 1:50:44
  Like she was literally middle grade.
• 1:50:47
  She was 57 in the class of 100 like if she was like in the
• 1:50:52
  hundred and she was number one eye back.
• 1:50:54
  Okay. She's gonna be not gonna doing
• 1:50:57
  great things. She's 50 s.
• 1:50:59
  Hmm, like she was 52nd in the school and when she filled out
• 1:51:04
  before she switched school, she Filled out like one of those
• 1:51:08
  questionnaires like what are your preference schools and
• 1:51:10
  stuff like that? Yeah, she had no schools listed
• 1:51:14
  and what she wanted, but like what was her dream?
• 1:51:16
  It said like to get a job. Unlike definition of a purse of
• 1:51:21
  a character with literally no goals, no Ambitions, no
• 1:51:25
  personality. Nothing were certain.
• 1:51:27
  She has no Talent. Like sometimes I have like, oh,
• 1:51:30
  I like to do this, like I'm creative in this way, like jazz
• 1:51:33
  nothing. Yeah.
• 1:51:34
  Nothing, not a zip zero, like there.
• 1:51:38
  Ah, So, yeah, he ruined her life, but like, what did she
• 1:51:42
  have going for her? What life did she really have?
• 1:51:45
  Yeah, she probably had a better life in that Beach town.
• 1:51:48
  Then she had being in like the airs world.
• 1:51:53
  Yeah. And then also just said, no
• 1:51:56
  nothing like a crushing. Defeat from a tyrant dad to
• 1:51:59
  bring on some self-loathing because then he starts on like
• 1:52:01
  the self-destructive like nonsense that he did ways,
• 1:52:06
  always always suddenly an aisle. List.
• 1:52:16
  So they fit every like old literally.
• 1:52:19
  Okay, drama Trope, living that you would roll your eyes at into
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  this 20 episode. I know, absolutely everything.
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  Yeah. Oh my gosh, let me see the Mom
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  leaving the chairman Dad, but he, but then, the chairman dad
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  finds that absurd, like he's like, that's a that's absurd
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  that you try to leave me that. You think you can leave me any
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  I'm in Deers it he commandeered, her freedom and like all his
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  minions start packing her bags. I'm like oh my God.
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  Yeah ticketless I think I have just a few things left to talk
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  about if that's okay. So there's a reference to the
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  movie, The housemaid in one of the earlier episodes.
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  I don't know if you caught it, I caught that because the mom the
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  made mom she finds She's doing cleaning the bathroom tub,
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  squatting with like, oh, yes exposed and it's a reference to
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  the housemaid like that erotic Thriller.
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  Which stars Jen DeLeon from Crash Course in Romance?
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  Like, that's where people know that from now.
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  Yeah, Andy Jim day from squid game, so that's why my mom
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  played in. Catch that rope mom walks in, as
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  like, freaked out that she sees the made Town songs, mom, like,
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  in that position, she looks. It's kind of like it's unusual
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  and her legs are out. And she's like, what are you
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  doing that? Because from that, I had no
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  idea. Never, oh my God.
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  Yeah, especially now that I kind of remember that movie better.
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  I don't know if I hadn't. I don't think I had watched it
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  at that point. Yeah, I don't think I had
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  watched it at that point, but now I'm like, oh my God.
• 1:54:07
  Now you get the referee. Yeah, it's an adult actually in
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  a very adult reference, it's for the not for the kids.
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  I would say, I have in my notes, they're always doing drastic
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  things to each other and to end song, just to prove a point,
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  like, young do pushes her into the pool, just to say that
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  that's what Kim time will be doing to her.
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  Yep. He'll pretend to have her and
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  then just like, let go just Opera.
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  Yeah, just drop her. And she, I mean, she responds
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  like I already knew that but like is one of like the most
• 1:54:44
  iconic scenes of that that show because like, that's I think one
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  of the first things, I think I ever saw that show dropping her
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  into the water and then Kim Tan coming out and kicking him.
• 1:54:56
  Go my foot slips. Yeah.
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  Yeah. The force proximity or skinship
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  that she knew. Ever gives consent for and she's
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  visibly freaked out every time. It just gives me the ick now,
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  you know, Ian, do grabs her and pulls her in for like a side hug
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  in front of Kim Tan which is like yeah.
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  They were on opposite sides of the cross street where he
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  somehow found her like. Yeah.
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  And he just says I want to see what lengths can sign will go
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  through for you. What logic, bro, Magic.
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  Sorry, 2013, logic. I know on a real honor real
• 1:55:41
  Rachel throws away her uniform into the trash.
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  And she, when she finds her school uniform, she finally,
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  slaps, Rachel, because Rachel's insults her mom.
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  And she's like, I can take any insult.
• 1:55:57
  You throw at me, but don't insult my mom, and I'm like, but
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  you know what, like she needs to act.
• 1:56:03
  We apply that to herself. It was everything else.
• 1:56:07
  Yeah. Every literally because, yeah, I
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  mean, it took that much. But finally, she slapped her
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  episode fiscal actually deserve the slack.
• 1:56:17
  She deserve 20 times over honestly.
• 1:56:21
  Chairman the chairman. He, yeah, chairman died.
• 1:56:26
  He wants her to break up with Kim Tan and chooses this
• 1:56:32
  ultimatum in a week. Yes, yes, yes.
• 1:56:35
  I already know. There's always amazing.
• 1:56:37
  He has two tickets on the table. Two plane tickets.
• 1:56:41
  And he says, you know, you can go the first option is, you can
• 1:56:45
  go wherever you want, you break up with Kings done and you can
• 1:56:49
  go wherever you want. Be at the Korean Countryside, or
• 1:56:52
  the UK, or the us or friends wherever, it doesn't matter, or
• 1:56:57
  you get 15 more days with King Don, and you can, like, spend as
• 1:57:02
  much time with him as you. And then I get to choose
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  wherever your shipped off to and it won't be as nice as the u.s.
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  the UK or France. And I was like, first of all
• 1:57:15
  like this is not your child. Like how can you tell an
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  underage kid, where the hell they should go and ship them off
• 1:57:25
  to god-knows-where and it's like what are the parental laws in
• 1:57:30
  this country is? Yes, yeah.
• 1:57:33
  It's someone else's child and he's just like this is how it's
• 1:57:37
  going to go. And I'm like, first of all, fuck
• 1:57:39
  you again, Paul. And thankfully she doesn't
• 1:57:42
  choose anything that he like she doesn't choose any of the
• 1:57:47
  options. They just go to live like
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  wherever she gets out of the car.
• 1:57:52
  She was like at the airport and then they like did Switcheroo
• 1:57:55
  and she ends up like not leaving the country.
• 1:57:57
  Yeah. Yeah, it's bizarre.
• 1:58:00
  Yeah. Weird.
• 1:58:04
  Yeah, we were talking earlier about Keen tons,
• 1:58:09
  self-destructive kick and he comes home looking like Tyler
• 1:58:12
  Durden like straight-up Fight Club and the chairman dad says
• 1:58:17
  that his Antics aren't cute anymore and I was like pause,
• 1:58:20
  pause pause, pause, pause, you thought that him getting beat up
• 1:58:26
  every night and just completely losing.
• 1:58:28
  His shit was cute initially. You got it with the he's just in
• 1:58:35
  a silly goofy mood, right? Right.
• 1:58:41
  So it's just so and then, sometimes sounds so, whiny, when
• 1:58:45
  he asked begs his brother to send him to America and that
• 1:58:50
  very same, like the next scene or something.
• 1:58:53
  So, it's like not, why does unsung want this guy?
• 1:58:59
  Like I still I pick, I pick woobin.
• 1:59:02
  Like we had like, yeah, he had so many red flags in the
• 1:59:05
  beginning and he was, he's literally the definition of
• 1:59:09
  that, the memes of women, who say, I can fix him.
• 1:59:13
  Yes. But she actually thinks, if she
• 1:59:17
  actually fixed him, she did what we dream of doing, and she
• 1:59:21
  didn't choose him. I can.
• 1:59:23
  So flippin, I just get so angry at that like bag.
• 1:59:29
  That like like you said, he Lee becomes the best character.
• 1:59:36
  He becomes the best character. Oh, oh, you know, there's a
• 1:59:41
  really good moment between him and her mom because he got the
• 1:59:45
  first of all, he's stalking her in a later episode when they're
• 1:59:48
  in the seaside town, but she's not at home.
• 1:59:50
  The mom sees him and she invites him inside, and he cries because
• 1:59:57
  she made him a home-cooked meal and he do like feel a bit for
• 2:00:01
  him. Yea, Yeah, right.
• 2:00:03
  You because he lost his mom, he does.
• 2:00:05
  Like no clue. She knows up and ran away.
• 2:00:08
  Let's talk like this. Okay?
• 2:00:10
  Really fast. And that, we're not going to
• 2:00:11
  spend like 30 minutes on this, but honestly like what the hell
• 2:00:14
  was? His mom thinking?
• 2:00:16
  She not only abandoned her child, but she was in town.
• 2:00:22
  Yes, she was. There she was, she was there.
• 2:00:26
  He was there, she could have easily got.
• 2:00:29
  She knew where they lived. She knew where he went to
• 2:00:31
  school. She knew everything and she did
• 2:00:34
  not reach out. She didn't reach out and no find
• 2:00:38
  him reconcile with him and take him away from that crap.
• 2:00:43
  Head dad, what the reason? She left, the reason she didn't
• 2:00:46
  leave because of him, she left because of the dad, right?
• 2:00:50
  Right. Beeping, why why not take your
• 2:00:53
  son out of that? Why leave him there to
• 2:00:55
  essentially, become a new version?
• 2:00:58
  Yeah, like Dad 2.0, like, why would you allow That as a
• 2:01:02
  mother. Yeah.
• 2:01:04
  And then the final episode, he finally plucked up.
• 2:01:06
  The courage to go see her because she left a business card
• 2:01:10
  with the owner of the snack shop.
• 2:01:15
  Of all things and he drops by. And she's like, I'm so sorry, I
• 2:01:19
  meant to, like, go, see you, you've grown up so big and
• 2:01:23
  strong, and I'm so sorry. And I'm like, what kind of
• 2:01:27
  mother? Yeah.
• 2:01:29
  Does she think she is? Because honestly, wrong choice
• 2:01:35
  after wrong choice for that lady, like, fine, you feel,
• 2:01:37
  Under Pressure, you feel like you got to get out of Dodge or
• 2:01:40
  whatever. But she didn't go nowhere.
• 2:01:42
  Yeah, yeah, she stayed. She A date.
• 2:01:46
  Yeah. That we're both like out of
• 2:01:51
  breath. Like, I know, because I do like
• 2:01:57
  this line from time in, this is an episode 19 I right after,
• 2:02:01
  like they have the birthday press conference for Keith on it
• 2:02:05
  and he takes ki-moon song as his date is hot date and she's
• 2:02:10
  wearing red and all this stuff. He says to his dad, I want her a
• 2:02:13
  lot more than the life. Or offering me.
• 2:02:17
  And I was like, I okay. Yeah.
• 2:02:22
  Yeah. That's a good one.
• 2:02:24
  That is definitely a good quote. Yeah, absolutely.
• 2:02:27
  So, the last thing I want to talk about is the, the older
• 2:02:30
  brother the hyung, and his sudden engagement to this woman.
• 2:02:37
  Who's, like, it's all gehen another marriage of convenience
• 2:02:41
  and his teacher on and off again, girl, like, finds out via
• 2:02:47
  the media, she reads an online article and finds out.
• 2:02:50
  He's in Aged after he had told her time and time again.
• 2:02:52
  Like just wait for me, I'm going to come back for you.
• 2:02:55
  We're going to do this and she ends up, like, seeing him for
• 2:03:00
  the last time uses the giant Wishbone to wish for a breakup
• 2:03:05
  from him, which I thought that was like, a given.
• 2:03:08
  But all right. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:03:10
  If your man's goes on a business trip and comes back and gives
• 2:03:16
  you a giant Wishbone and is like, you get to make a wish,
• 2:03:20
  Fish, like they do this in the states, whoever gets the bigger,
• 2:03:24
  half of the bone gets to like get a wish or whatever granted.
• 2:03:30
  What would you do like, gives giant Wishbone?
• 2:03:35
  I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did not understand.
• 2:03:40
  That whole thing at all, like, again, like they had all these
• 2:03:45
  random relationships that they didn't like build or anything
• 2:03:51
  like that, like they had them kind of start off.
• 2:03:53
  And then you saw that he like, ran to her house, you saw like
• 2:03:57
  all of this stuff and they're all decided they just like
• 2:03:59
  fizzled. And we're Right here.
• 2:04:01
  See anything at all of a sudden. It's the, she's the teacher and
• 2:04:05
  he bumps into her there. And then She and then again,
• 2:04:11
  just Fizzles, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing.
• 2:04:14
  And all of a sudden he's engaged like, you didn't have a
• 2:04:16
  relationship. You are not dating.
• 2:04:19
  You are nothing. Like you were nothing in that
• 2:04:22
  entire thing. It didn't make any sense.
• 2:04:24
  He's getting sensitive. No, no, I would have rather her
• 2:04:28
  got with the kid. I would have rather had gotten
• 2:04:31
  with him, dude. It because he actually cared and
• 2:04:34
  liked her for who she was. He didn't care where she came
• 2:04:37
  from anything. He just liked her.
• 2:04:39
  He had this really spicy moment with her where he hosts the
• 2:04:43
  ramen or Ramen I thought that was like so stupidly cute but
• 2:04:50
  also like sir. Yes sir sir he goes and sniffs
• 2:04:56
  our breath because he had seen her eating the ramen Ramen.
• 2:04:59
  Yeah. He pushed back their study our
• 2:05:01
  like 20 minutes or something's like I'm running.
• 2:05:04
  Like these are scarfing down the ramen.
• 2:05:06
  Yeah, everybody shop and And like it's very thoughtful of
• 2:05:10
  him. But at the same time, he's just
• 2:05:12
  like, put on the Moose, I'm going to come.
• 2:05:15
  He's like, would you eat ramen and then her face?
• 2:05:22
  Oh my God. The moment that moment.
• 2:05:25
  Yeah. Okay.
• 2:05:26
  Thoughts on the ending. Any thoughts on the final
• 2:05:29
  ending? It ended like it.
• 2:05:35
  Yeah, it just like didn't literally it just ended.
• 2:05:40
  It didn't have this like, great big enjoy enjoying.
• 2:05:45
  Like, yeah, it just ended this. It was kind of like.
• 2:05:48
  Okay, that's cool, that's cool. You wrapped up what you need is
• 2:05:53
  to wrap up and you left all the other things that you completely
• 2:05:56
  forgot a few episodes back. So it was I I think it's really
• 2:06:03
  messy. I think it's for some reason,
• 2:06:07
  the shot of them just like walking in the snow together.
• 2:06:12
  We're stuck with me like that. Visual of them holding hands and
• 2:06:15
  walking together. I was like, okay, that's cool
• 2:06:18
  but it's very unclear. Like, has time passed.
• 2:06:21
  Yeah. Just like just after graduation
• 2:06:23
  is. This 10 years down the line?
• 2:06:25
  Like, he was imagining. Yeah.
• 2:06:27
  Earlier. Like what is aren't they?
• 2:06:29
  What is it? Mary like this the thing it's so
• 2:06:32
  unclear. Yeah yeah which I do not enjoy
• 2:06:35
  ambiguous ending. I did not like no closure.
• 2:06:40
  Yeah. No not ever.
• 2:06:42
  Yeah, just ended. Yeah.
• 2:06:43
  Just end like we're just going to endure.
• 2:06:45
  We're going to keep on going and we're just going to keep loving
• 2:06:47
  each other and that's it. Yeah.
• 2:06:49
  Like that was the voice. Hope for the best.
• 2:06:51
  Yeah, let's hope it all works out for us.
• 2:06:53
  So what? All right.
• 2:06:58
  Well, I think I have come to the end of my notes Here For The
• 2:07:01
  Heirs. He had a lot to say, I had a lot
• 2:07:05
  of qualms with it and ultimately I think we kind of felt very
• 2:07:08
  similarly about The Heirs and I hope this was a good experience
• 2:07:14
  for you talking. I had so much fun.
• 2:07:16
  Yeah, so much fun. I'd love to be on another one.
• 2:07:19
  So oh great. Maybe I won't have you watch a
• 2:07:24
  Lee Min-ho drama from 2013? Cuz can I pick?
• 2:07:28
  Can I pick? Yes.
• 2:07:29
  Absolutely pick the drama or you know, if you Want to reach out
• 2:07:33
  to Sammy on any of the socials and be like I want you to review
• 2:07:38
  this like tell us, tell her follow her on, all the socials.
• 2:07:42
  Where can we find you? I think your, you have a couple
• 2:07:45
  of different handles because of the podcast and your Korean from
• 2:07:50
  contexts. Yes.
• 2:07:51
  Yeah, yes. So Instagram and Tick-Tock are
• 2:07:56
  just at Korean from Context Twitter.
• 2:07:59
  I had to take out some letters so it is still Korean from
• 2:08:02
  Context but it's Korean frm, CN txt got you.
• 2:08:10
  So all on there, you can go to my Instagram.
• 2:08:13
  I have a link to all of all of them on same with the bo
• 2:08:18
  buddies. So my one of my best friends and
• 2:08:21
  I we talked be else from, you know, Thailand, Taiwan Japan,
• 2:08:27
  all that we love. Yes, dramas and we hopefully are
• 2:08:31
  going to have you on Absolutely, please.
• 2:08:34
  And you can find us on YouTube just it's called BL buddies.
• 2:08:39
  A podcast Instagram, same thing and yeah, that's where you can
• 2:08:45
  where you can find me. Thank you so much for coming on
• 2:08:48
  Sammy. Until next time, that's been our
• 2:08:51
  show. I'm Jessica and this has been
• 2:08:53
  the dead lucky