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Ep. 384: Hunting the Whitetail Rut with Andrae D’Acquisto · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for
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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm
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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three
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Speaker 1: eighty four, and today we are joined by the legendary
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Speaker 1: white tail bow hunter Andre de Quisto for a follow
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Speaker 1: up to our previous discussion this summer, and this time
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Speaker 1: we're diving deep into the white tail rut. All right,
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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wire Done podcast, brought to you by Onyx.
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Speaker 1: Today we're joined again by Andre de Quisto. Now, Andre
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Speaker 1: was a guest back on episode three sixties six, and
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Speaker 1: it was a It was a pretty exciting thing having
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Speaker 1: him on. He has not previously done podcast interviews up
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Speaker 1: to that point, so it was interesting to get to
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Speaker 1: hear from him. We talked for over two hours and
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Speaker 1: we still weren't able to cover everything I wanted to though,
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Speaker 1: and after hearing from many more of you saying you
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Speaker 1: wanted to hear more as well, we had to make
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Speaker 1: it happen. So if you didn't hear episode three sixty six,
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Speaker 1: be sure and go back listen to that. Get the
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Speaker 1: foundation of Andre's hunting style. Um, get all that figured out.
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Speaker 1: We talked a lot about his scouting, talked about some
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Speaker 1: of his aggressive tactics, talked about really a lot of
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Speaker 1: what he does in October and preseason. But uh, really quick,
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Speaker 1: if you're not familiar, Andrea is one of the foremost
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Speaker 1: white tail hunters in the country. He's I think it's
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Speaker 1: fair to say, kind of legendary within the do it
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Speaker 1: yourself crowd. He revolution revolutionists, excuse me, the mobile hunting world.
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Speaker 1: When he founded Lone Wolf tree stands back in the day,
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Speaker 1: he popularized a series of aggressive hunting tactics that are
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Speaker 1: now widely used and talked about. Uh. He's now the
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Speaker 1: founder of Lone Wolf custom gear and a host of
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Speaker 1: their white Tail Addictions TV show. So he's doing a
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Speaker 1: lot of stuff. And he's also I mean, he's he's
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Speaker 1: he's aggressive, he's confident, he's unique, and he's wildly successful.
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Speaker 1: So he's someone to listen to, he's someone to learn from,
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Speaker 1: and today different than the last time. Today, what we're
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Speaker 1: gonna do is grill him on the white tail Rut.
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Speaker 1: And that's because this episode is launching right now on
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Speaker 1: the doorstep of the white tail Rut. That's it. The
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Speaker 1: super Bowl of the white tail season. That the high
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Speaker 1: point of our year, the grind, the marathon, the big show.
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Speaker 1: This is it. This is happening now. So we're gonna
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Speaker 1: dig into everything Andre thinks about during the rut. Why
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Speaker 1: sometimes the rut is frustrating for him, how he still
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Speaker 1: has success many times during the rut, what he does,
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Speaker 1: how his perspective might be different than most other rut hunters.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting stuff. But before we get into that, I
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Speaker 1: do want to leave you with some of my thoughts.
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Speaker 1: I want to kind of open with with some high
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Speaker 1: level principles of hunting the rut, because, especially if you're
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Speaker 1: new to deer hunting, um, I want to make sure
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Speaker 1: you have these basic foundations covered as we go into
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Speaker 1: this time of the year because now, like the last
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Speaker 1: few days of October and the month of November, this
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Speaker 1: is that breeding season for white tail deer, which is
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Speaker 1: when kind of a lot of their caution gets thrown
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Speaker 1: out of the wind or thrown out. I don't know
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Speaker 1: what the saying as I can't think of it right now.
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Speaker 1: Putting us thrown cautions, thrown to the wind, that's it.
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Speaker 1: And uh, they let their guard down and they move
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Speaker 1: a lot more, and it presents us as hunters new opportunities.
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Speaker 1: But at the same time, it requires of us as
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Speaker 1: hunters to put a level of time and dedication into
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Speaker 1: the woods that's different than the rest of the year.
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Speaker 1: If if this is what you really want to do,
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Speaker 1: so let's cover off on a few of those basic principles.
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Speaker 1: Whether you're new or you've been doing this forever, this
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Speaker 1: is important stuff to just always keep in the back
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Speaker 1: of your mind, These principles of run hunting success or
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Speaker 1: something that I always come back to, And you've heard
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Speaker 1: me talk about it before, but but hear me out
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Speaker 1: because every year I find myself getting tangled up in
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Speaker 1: the moment of how this hunt went, and how that
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Speaker 1: went hunting, what this buck's doing, and what that siding
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Speaker 1: told me, what this trail camera image is telling me,
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Speaker 1: and what the wind is doing, what the weather is doing,
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Speaker 1: and all these ingredients get tossed into a big pot
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Speaker 1: and spun around, and then all of a sudden, I
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Speaker 1: spend hours and hours up at night stressing about what
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Speaker 1: I should do and why I should do it and
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Speaker 1: what does this mean. Um, there's there's so many different
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Speaker 1: ingredients here that you can get confused, you can get frustrated. Um,
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Speaker 1: it's it's important, I've found, at least for me to
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Speaker 1: remember that whenever I find myself in that place, to
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Speaker 1: take a step back and look at the big picture again.
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Speaker 1: So here's the big picture. Maybe this will help you
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Speaker 1: in moments like that. The principles of run hunting success.
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Speaker 1: Number one, think about two different types of hunting setups
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Speaker 1: at this time that almost always your plans should fit
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Speaker 1: into this to some degree, because this is really the simplest,
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Speaker 1: most base level of how to find success. You want
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Speaker 1: to be doing one of these two things. Number one,
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Speaker 1: focusing on the dough on dope hot spots. Right at
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Speaker 1: this time of the year, bucks are looking for a
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Speaker 1: doll that's ready to breed, or they are on a
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Speaker 1: dough that's ready to breed and trying to breed here.
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Speaker 1: But either way, bucks are with or around does because
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Speaker 1: they this is the time to mate, to procreate. That's
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Speaker 1: all they have in their mind right now. So if
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Speaker 1: you can know where the does are, that's where the
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Speaker 1: bucks are gonna be. So this can be one or
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Speaker 1: two things. This can be either dope feeding areas or
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Speaker 1: this can be dope betting areas. In the morning's usually
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Speaker 1: dope betting area is the place to be usually all
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Speaker 1: through the rest of the middle of the day. That's
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Speaker 1: the same case in the evenings doe feeding areas. Now,
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Speaker 1: something that happens, excuse me, something that happens often is
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Speaker 1: that these bucks will try to check multiple dope hot
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Speaker 1: spots throughout the day, and to do that, they're usually
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Speaker 1: gonna cruise along the down wind side of those dope
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Speaker 1: hot spots. So, if you're trying to choose where to hunt,
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Speaker 1: and you know you want to be hunting a dope
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Speaker 1: hot spot in the morning, let's say a dope betting area,
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Speaker 1: But when you're trying to pick the spot, hunt around
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Speaker 1: the doll betting area. Usually a good place to start
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Speaker 1: is on the down wind edge of them, because that's
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Speaker 1: where the bucks are gonna cruise and your scent can
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Speaker 1: be blowing away from that back behind it. So think
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Speaker 1: about that. Number one, one of those general filters to
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Speaker 1: pass your potential hunting spots through is is this a
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Speaker 1: doll hotspot? Or Number two, is this a funnel or
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Speaker 1: pinched one? Is this where some kind of feature, whether
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Speaker 1: that be cover like how much how many trees and
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Speaker 1: bushes there are or terrain like is there a saddle
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Speaker 1: and a ridge or is there a lake and a
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Speaker 1: pond over here in just one narrow bridge of landing
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Speaker 1: between it. If there's some way that the natural habitat
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Speaker 1: funnels deer movement into a narrow area, you've got a
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Speaker 1: significantly higher chance of encountering one of these bucks as
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Speaker 1: they travel from Doe hot spot to dol hot spot
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Speaker 1: because they're moving more now than any other time of
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Speaker 1: the year. So if you can find where these concentrations
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Speaker 1: of movement are sit there, that's another great red spot.
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Speaker 1: Best case scenario, you find a funnel like this in
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Speaker 1: between a couple of dough hotspots, then every book that
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Speaker 1: wants to get from point A to point B has
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Speaker 1: to pass through this narrowed area where you can hunt. Again,
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Speaker 1: try to think about wind, trying to make sure your
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Speaker 1: downwind of that point they're going to be passing. But
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Speaker 1: this is a high level concept that we always talk
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Speaker 1: about when it comes to the rut simply because it works.
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Speaker 1: So when you're confused, or when you're frustrated, or when
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Speaker 1: you're bouncing around seven different stands side ideas for your
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Speaker 1: next rut hunt. Look at these two principles of rut success.
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Speaker 1: Does a fit idea one? Does it fit idea too?
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Speaker 1: If it doesn't, maybe you're overthinking things. Now, that's about
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Speaker 1: where to hunt. The next and maybe most important principle
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Speaker 1: of rut hunting success, I think is the mental side
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Speaker 1: of things, and we talked about this last week. We
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Speaker 1: had this conversation with Ryan Holliday, all about these different
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Speaker 1: ways to deal with adversity and perseverance and learning from
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Speaker 1: fail and all that kind of stuff. And that's important
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Speaker 1: to the entire hunting season, but never more so than
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Speaker 1: during the rut, because at this time of year, at
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Speaker 1: least for if you if you're like me, this is
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Speaker 1: the case because if you're like me, you look at
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Speaker 1: the rut as a two or three weeks where you've
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Speaker 1: saved up your vacation days for this time. You're gonna
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Speaker 1: put in all your eggs into this basket. This is
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Speaker 1: when it's supposed to happen, right, This is when you
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Speaker 1: know fireworks are supposed to be going off in the woods.
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Speaker 1: You've got to be out there as much as possible.
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Speaker 1: And there's a certain amount of pressure that goes with
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Speaker 1: that too. And then if you want to hunt these
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Speaker 1: days the way, you know, you should spend as many
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Speaker 1: hours in the tree as you can, for as many
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Speaker 1: days as you possibly can. That is a lot of work.
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Speaker 1: It's a lot of three thirty a m. Wake up calls,
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Speaker 1: and that's a lot of long walks to the tree stands,
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Speaker 1: setting up stands or saddles or whatever, climbing up with
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Speaker 1: your sticks. It's sitting in the tree for twelve or
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Speaker 1: thirteen hours straight and it's freezing cold and rainy and windy,
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Speaker 1: and you're you're tired, and you're exhausted, and you haven't
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Speaker 1: ate enough and you haven't drank enough, and it sometimes
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Speaker 1: it's boring, Sometimes it's exciting. Sometimes it's frustrating. Things go wrong,
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Speaker 1: and then you get home that night and you have to,
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Speaker 1: you know, do the tours around the house and put
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Speaker 1: the kids to bed and get work done, and then
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Speaker 1: your back up three hours later do it all over again.
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Speaker 1: You've got ten more days of that. Um that can
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Speaker 1: be a grind. Now, it's it's the best kind of grind, right.
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Speaker 1: We love it. We live for this, We've dreamed about it.
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Speaker 1: This is what we have looked forward to all year.
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Speaker 1: But it's still it's still tough. It is not an
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Speaker 1: easy thing. And so if you are dedicated to this
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Speaker 1: thing and not saying you have to be, you can
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Speaker 1: be a deer hunter and just go out there a
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Speaker 1: few times here and there for a weekend and and
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Speaker 1: that can be a fun release. That's totally fun. Go
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Speaker 1: for it, have a good time. I'm glad you're doing it.
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Speaker 1: But if you are kind of the nutty version of
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Speaker 1: a white tail hunter like I am, and a lot
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Speaker 1: of my buddies and a lot of you I know are,
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Speaker 1: If this is your thing and you are dedicated to
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Speaker 1: this goal, then this is the grind that you have
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Speaker 1: to prepared to go through. And that channel engine that work,
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Speaker 1: that is part of it. And so the for lack
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Speaker 1: of a better turn, that the boys are separated from
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Speaker 1: the man or the wheat, separate from the chief, whatever chaff,
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Speaker 1: for whatever you wanna call it, this is where this
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Speaker 1: is where the separation happens. Is that if you can
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Speaker 1: just be a big talker about this or can you
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Speaker 1: actually be a big walker and pushed through the grind,
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Speaker 1: this is where this is where it happens. So can
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Speaker 1: you persevere? Can you remember that, Yeah, it's been seven
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Speaker 1: days and I haven't seen a shooter buck. But I
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Speaker 1: know I have to keep going, and I know I
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Speaker 1: need to stay positive because things can change when tough
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Speaker 1: things happen, when you drop your bow, when you miss
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Speaker 1: a deer, when you know when the neighbor shoots the
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Speaker 1: buck you were after, when you've had ten days of
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Speaker 1: not seeing any deer, when all these things happen, how
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Speaker 1: are you going to handle it? This is this is
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Speaker 1: what we talked about last week, right, It's it's how
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Speaker 1: do you bounce back from something like that? Do you
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Speaker 1: get so focused on the mistake or the karding thing
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Speaker 1: that happened that you lose your momentum in your edge
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Speaker 1: or do you say, Okay, yeah, that thing happened. The
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Speaker 1: obstacles the way, right, So we talked about the obstacles away,
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Speaker 1: this thing happened. Can I be frustrated, Yes, But the
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Speaker 1: bad thing, the challenge, the bumping the road, that's not
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Speaker 1: gonna break me. That's gonna be my next step, that's
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Speaker 1: gonna lead me to the next level of growth, or
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Speaker 1: that's gonna take me to be one step closer to
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Speaker 1: achieving my goal. This this just happened to me the
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Speaker 1: other day. So I'm kind of in the middle of
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Speaker 1: my rut grind. I started last week hunting public land
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Speaker 1: in Ohio, just dealt with a bunch of hunter pressure,
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Speaker 1: hunting pressure, never got any good deer, just basically scouted
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Speaker 1: for four days. It was frustrating, but that that just
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Speaker 1: kind of is what it is. So that that happened.
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Speaker 1: Then it came back and started hunting some of my
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Speaker 1: local properties in Michigan that I've been saving for this
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Speaker 1: time of year. Have been very excited to try to
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Speaker 1: get after tram my number one buck, to other nice
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Speaker 1: mature bucks in this area that I want to get after,
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Speaker 1: So I've been hunting some edge off well. I got
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Speaker 1: access to a little area that I haven't been able
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Speaker 1: to hunt in the past, so I've been waiting for
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Speaker 1: the right wind to get in there. And I knew
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Speaker 1: that it was gonna be great because there's a there's
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Speaker 1: a standing corn field there that had just been cut
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Speaker 1: and still is in the process of being cut. So
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Speaker 1: I know this is the absolute best, hottest food source
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Speaker 1: right on the edges from the very best betting that
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Speaker 1: I know my target buck lives in. You want to
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Speaker 1: be there, you want to be in between it, right
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Speaker 1: right in the edge of that betting, in between the
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Speaker 1: betting and the cover. So I finally had the right
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Speaker 1: wind for this last night, I slip in super duper quiet.
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Speaker 1: There's a light drizzle, so I was able to get
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Speaker 1: in there quietly. I took a really long route awround
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Speaker 1: to get in there, to make sure my wind didn't
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Speaker 1: blow anything out. I scouted my way in through the
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Speaker 1: edge and saw more fresh sign than anywhere I've seen
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Speaker 1: all year. I mean probably ten to fifteen fresh scrapes, big,
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Speaker 1: like brand new fresh, no leaves in them, scrapes that
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Speaker 1: were made all around this spot. I wanted to hunt
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Speaker 1: big rubs, the biggest rubs I've seen in the area
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Speaker 1: yet this year. I mean, this is where he's at,
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Speaker 1: and I'm I'm jacked. This is what I've been dreaming of.
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Speaker 1: So I slowly ease my way in considering the wind,
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Speaker 1: trying to be conservative to make sure I'm not going
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Speaker 1: to blow into that bedding air, but at the same
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Speaker 1: time put myself in a position that I can get
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Speaker 1: a shot in the areas. I think he's going to
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Speaker 1: travel down this inside edge between this thick grassy cover
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Speaker 1: and the trees and then the corn. Finally find a tree,
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Speaker 1: Get all set up, get up there. I'm feeling great,
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Speaker 1: feeling confident, texting my buddies, saying, man, this could happen tonight, etcetera, etcetera.
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Speaker 1: Then the wind dies more than it was supposed to,
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Speaker 1: and then the winds shifts different than it was supposed to,
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Speaker 1: and instead of a southwest, it starts edging to straight west,
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Speaker 1: and I'm getting concerned. I'm tossing milk weed up. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: oh no, please, no, oh no. And then it shifts
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Speaker 1: more and it starts going northwest, right towards that betting air.
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, oh no, please, no, don't let this be
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Speaker 1: the case. And as this happened, the rains coming down.
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Speaker 1: It's been raining. It went from a drizzle to more
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Speaker 1: of a steady rain, so it's hard to hear things. Um,
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Speaker 1: I'm throwing milk weed and looking at this, and then
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know what I think? I think I
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Speaker 1: had to get out of here. It's down to two
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Speaker 1: hours left a daylight. I mean, the best spot I've
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Speaker 1: been an all year. This is the spot to kill
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Speaker 1: the buck I've been dreaming of for three years. I've
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Speaker 1: been following this deer, studying this deer hunting this deer
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Speaker 1: plank cat and mouse in this buck for three years
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Speaker 1: and finally in the best spot I could possibly be,
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Speaker 1: and I think for right now in late October, and
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Speaker 1: the freaking wind changes from what I was supposed to be,
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Speaker 1: and it is now blowing to the worst place, or
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Speaker 1: close to the worst place. I need to get out.
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Speaker 1: And then right at that moment, as I'm coming to
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Speaker 1: the realization that I have to bail on my most
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Speaker 1: highly anticipated hunt, I hear what wow, And I jump
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Speaker 1: out of my saddle. Basically, and and to give us
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Speaker 1: a little more context, I'm hunting inside the timber from
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Speaker 1: a just cut cornfield. I'm probably thirty yards into the timber.
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Speaker 1: And then the bedding, kind of thick stuff, is another
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Speaker 1: like four of yards further inside from where I am,
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Speaker 1: and this crop field is on a different neighbor's land. Right, so,
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Speaker 1: I hear his cow. I don't know how to make
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Speaker 1: the sound, but basically it sounds like a bow going off,
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Speaker 1: and I jump out of my seat and I turned,
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Speaker 1: I look out into that field, and I looked down
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Speaker 1: another fence row, and there sixty yards away. Unbeknownst to
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Speaker 1: me this whole time is a neighbor hunting shot a
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Speaker 1: deer basically right out from behind me. And this guy
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Speaker 1: is not practicing any kind of sent control. This guy
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Speaker 1: does not have any of the things that I obsessed
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Speaker 1: over trying to make sure that deer aren't winding me. Um.
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Speaker 1: He's just out there and whatever. Um. So he shoots
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Speaker 1: a deer, the deer goes running off, crashing off, deer
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Speaker 1: blowing everywhere, and then the wind continues to be bad.
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Speaker 1: I'm sitting here realizing, Okay, I've got this thing happening.
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Speaker 1: He's blown into everything. For sure. I was on the
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Speaker 1: edge of the stuff. And what do you do? I mean,
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Speaker 1: I know, I don't know that he's gonna be blowing
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Speaker 1: his scent into this thing the entire night. He's gonna
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Speaker 1: be tracking around the entire night. So basically this spot
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Speaker 1: is blown up for the evening. So I ended up saying, Okay,
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Speaker 1: this spot's blown the haunts of bust, I might as
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Speaker 1: well not blow up another place too. So I sat
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Speaker 1: it out till the end of the night, went and
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Speaker 1: share with my neighbor, helped him look for his era, etcetera, etcetera. Um.
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Speaker 1: But the point being, I went from the highest of
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Speaker 1: highest thinking I'm in the spot to kill my buck.
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Speaker 1: Finally everything's coming together. I went from that too. Now
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Speaker 1: instead having two people's wind blowing into an area I
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Speaker 1: didn't really want to be blowing a guy walking all
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Speaker 1: over the place. Uh, you know, every kind of commotion
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Speaker 1: you can imagine is happening now, not what I expect
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Speaker 1: and not what I wanted. I could be frustrated. I
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Speaker 1: was frustrated, very frustrated. I was still frustrated this morning.
16:50
Speaker 1: I could stay that way. At the same time, I
16:53
Speaker 1: realized that nothing good is going to come from letting
16:56
Speaker 1: that continue. I can't let that take me out of
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Speaker 1: the game. So now out today, I gotta shake it off.
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Speaker 1: I gotta keep at it. I gotta stay positive, and
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Speaker 1: I gotta remember they can all change in the second.
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Speaker 1: They could change tomorrow, it could change tonight. And after
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Speaker 1: three hours hunting tonight, it's down a half hour left,
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Speaker 1: it's down to ten minutes left, it's down to four
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Speaker 1: minutes left. It could change in a second. Right then,
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Speaker 1: that is the rut. That's what you gotta be thinking about,
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Speaker 1: and that's what I've encouraged all of you to do
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Speaker 1: this season. So with that out of the way, let's
17:25
Speaker 1: hear from Andrew to Quisto. I hope you enjoy it.
17:28
Speaker 1: I hope you have some incredible hunts in these coming
17:30
Speaker 1: days and good luck. All right, back with me for
17:35
Speaker 1: part two of our discussion from earlier this year is
17:39
Speaker 1: Andre to Quisto. Andre, thank you for making time to
17:42
Speaker 1: come back. Hey, how are you doing that? I'm good,
17:45
Speaker 1: I'm good, and I'm glad we can be having this
17:47
Speaker 1: conversation because back in August when we chatted last time,
17:52
Speaker 1: we cover a lot of interesting things, got a ton
17:54
Speaker 1: of feedback from people. People really enjoyed it, but they
17:57
Speaker 1: wanted more. So you gotta give the people they want,
18:00
Speaker 1: right right. I don't realized that far away. I guess still, Yeah,
18:04
Speaker 1: time flies right that that period of the year can
18:07
Speaker 1: go really quick. Um So, so yeah, that's that's what
18:10
Speaker 1: I want to do, Andres. I want to try to
18:11
Speaker 1: cover some of the things we never got to last time,
18:15
Speaker 1: and then maybe go deeper into a few things that
18:16
Speaker 1: people had foul up questions on. Um So, if that
18:20
Speaker 1: all sounds good to you, I do think that a
18:23
Speaker 1: good place to start might be in your real life
18:27
Speaker 1: right now, which is how you season is going. Are you?
18:31
Speaker 1: Are you willing to share this how that season has
18:33
Speaker 1: gone so far? Yeah, what what's the story? Well, it's
18:38
Speaker 1: been an absolute nightmare. So this is probably the first
18:41
Speaker 1: time I ever started all season will not being able
18:45
Speaker 1: to even walk in the woods look at anything at
18:48
Speaker 1: any time at all to scout or prepare. I'm still
18:52
Speaker 1: ordering sox and still ordering broadheads, and um so I'm
18:55
Speaker 1: lipping by the little all my old equipment. I'm still
18:58
Speaker 1: hunting out of my original one point because I still
19:01
Speaker 1: can't get one for myself, uh, because we've been so busy.
19:05
Speaker 1: Um but other than that, for the hour and a
19:09
Speaker 1: half a couple of hours that I get to jump
19:12
Speaker 1: on early morning evenings, um, I mean I could have
19:16
Speaker 1: filled my take probably ten times over already, but not
19:20
Speaker 1: locating the caliber there yet that I want to hunt.
19:23
Speaker 1: So I was hoping this this would be my big week,
19:26
Speaker 1: and it turns out that it's gonna be the busiest
19:28
Speaker 1: week for all our products coming in and shipping out.
19:30
Speaker 1: So I will become a rough hunter this year probably,
19:35
Speaker 1: And that's a present. And that's something that traditionally you
19:40
Speaker 1: usually don't care for it too much, right, No, I don't.
19:43
Speaker 1: I mean not that I don't care for it. I mean, um,
19:46
Speaker 1: but seeing I don't have a target buck to go
19:49
Speaker 1: after right now anyhow, I guess it's irrelevant. Um. Um,
19:54
Speaker 1: hopefully there's something out there, you know, I said, I
19:56
Speaker 1: lost standing corner around or something out there that will
20:00
Speaker 1: pique my curiosity or um, maybe we take care of
20:04
Speaker 1: some of these big, big, ugly apes that are running
20:06
Speaker 1: around on his property. I'm not trying to get rid
20:10
Speaker 1: of for years. So so what do you do in
20:12
Speaker 1: a situation like that though, where you just aren't finding
20:16
Speaker 1: the bucket you want? How are you searching him out?
20:19
Speaker 1: Is it just you're running a ton of cameras? Are
20:21
Speaker 1: you observing every night? What's what's that? A bunch of
20:24
Speaker 1: cameras out there? Um getting little business and pieces of
20:29
Speaker 1: stuff that Cody has posted online asking asking neighbors and
20:34
Speaker 1: other farmers if they've seen anything anything good, you know,
20:38
Speaker 1: just your traditional short little leads that you could get. Um,
20:42
Speaker 1: because I really haven't. I did. I didn't have a
20:44
Speaker 1: chance to take a walk the other day and and
20:47
Speaker 1: located what I what I like to look at is
20:50
Speaker 1: just a massive rubs um reopen. So that tells me
20:55
Speaker 1: there are some obviously it's a big mature dominant deer there,
20:59
Speaker 1: but it doesn't tell me that, bro, they are so
21:01
Speaker 1: um all the things I've had a pictures of so
21:04
Speaker 1: far just um, you know it's some decent deer, but
21:07
Speaker 1: nothing nothing news shattering. So yeah, so then you're becoming
21:15
Speaker 1: a right hunter. Well I will be. I can't yeah,
21:19
Speaker 1: get it done here. Well, I guess that's a good point.
21:21
Speaker 1: Then let's let's tell me what you're gonna do over
21:23
Speaker 1: this next week. Then, so the last handful days in October?
21:27
Speaker 1: What's that going to look like for you? This year? So?
21:29
Speaker 1: How wash? So I jumped on posts uh the other day.
21:32
Speaker 1: I decided to do it as a pretty big eight
21:35
Speaker 1: duck could be taken out, and I probably should have
21:38
Speaker 1: been there a day earlier. Checked out of the cameras
21:41
Speaker 1: and and there was a primary scrape there that about
21:44
Speaker 1: four bucks we're battling over. I got all kinds of
21:47
Speaker 1: view on the camera and stuff and and um, so
21:50
Speaker 1: I went to set up on that and I had
21:52
Speaker 1: to two bucks come down when work is great, but
21:54
Speaker 1: not the not the big ones. So I'm concentrating on
21:59
Speaker 1: right and um scrapes. Would be nice to know the
22:03
Speaker 1: caliber deer that's on him so, um, this deer will
22:07
Speaker 1: probably push one seven years and eight. And there's a
22:11
Speaker 1: couple other ones that are in that caliber. But uh,
22:14
Speaker 1: and these are traditionally the type of deer that will
22:17
Speaker 1: keep the ones you want off your property because they
22:21
Speaker 1: they take up space, um pretty aggressive. But the times
22:27
Speaker 1: that I'll get on early in for evening and mornings.
22:30
Speaker 1: Now obviously if I'd love to be able to sit
22:32
Speaker 1: later right now on some midday stuff um or later mornings,
22:36
Speaker 1: so I'll just um keep bumping around, keep checking cameras
22:40
Speaker 1: and in between work, it stands out, coordinate things with
22:45
Speaker 1: the business. And and I think we're gonna be all
22:48
Speaker 1: caught up by around November one, so that'll give me
22:52
Speaker 1: some time to get out and spend a little more
22:54
Speaker 1: um time you go. Now, these late October hunts you
22:58
Speaker 1: mentioned focusing on those primary scrapes. Um, can you describe
23:02
Speaker 1: a little more and a little more detail what you
23:04
Speaker 1: mean by that. There's there's a lot of different people
23:06
Speaker 1: that use that term, but I've found that everyone kind
23:08
Speaker 1: of envisions something a little bit different. What are these
23:11
Speaker 1: scrapes look like, where are they located? These are active scrapes.
23:15
Speaker 1: There's a lot of their scrapes everywhere. Everywhere you look,
23:18
Speaker 1: everywhere you walk up and down, log and rolls, um,
23:22
Speaker 1: there's scrapes. And a lot of those are like half
23:25
Speaker 1: hearted scrapes where a deal just to shrug a donalog
23:28
Speaker 1: and roll running to where some dolls went through and
23:31
Speaker 1: and lay with down. These are traditionally scrapes. They are
23:33
Speaker 1: there every year. Um, even in the spring. It looks
23:36
Speaker 1: like there's you know, there's nothing work in it, but
23:39
Speaker 1: it looks like there's a scrape there because they're just
23:41
Speaker 1: every year, the same same trees, um, same areas are
23:46
Speaker 1: usually the biggest dominant dealers running running off that, and
23:50
Speaker 1: other ones will we'll work at the same branch. So um,
23:56
Speaker 1: you got another note to one of my one of
23:58
Speaker 1: the best ones on his property. It was just the
24:01
Speaker 1: farmer trimmed his if I mentioned that last time, but
24:04
Speaker 1: he trimmed the lanes along the fields and he cut
24:08
Speaker 1: he cut the best primary. I don't know property branch off,
24:12
Speaker 1: So I don't know if I was gonna try and
24:14
Speaker 1: do a lot of these guys do them and put
24:16
Speaker 1: some new branches in there and make it work. But
24:18
Speaker 1: I just just kind of let it go and um
24:20
Speaker 1: it with a tragedy. But so that's what I'll be
24:22
Speaker 1: concentrating on. Bold scrapes. Again, I got a picture of
24:26
Speaker 1: something that is probably the biggest that I've seen. So um,
24:31
Speaker 1: and then we'll just stuff starting to move. Now where
24:34
Speaker 1: it was a short short movement, these there are starting
24:37
Speaker 1: to travel more and work more scrapes. And then, um,
24:40
Speaker 1: so you're gonna get some stuff that you probably haven't seen,
24:43
Speaker 1: some stuff spilling off the neighbors or it might have
24:45
Speaker 1: been on the border property starting to work you know
24:48
Speaker 1: where somebody's uh, scrapes that are on the property. So
24:52
Speaker 1: when you're setting up, when you're setting up on a
24:54
Speaker 1: scrape like that, are you setting up to be within
24:57
Speaker 1: shooting range of the scrape or are you you trying
25:00
Speaker 1: to set up on like a down wind access route?
25:03
Speaker 1: How do you how do you think through that? No, yeah,
25:06
Speaker 1: you never want to do that. The old down win
25:08
Speaker 1: series of days gone past, where deer will scent check
25:13
Speaker 1: a scrape, That's that's all bullshit, because I've I'd sit
25:16
Speaker 1: down the wind of a scrape and I'd have a
25:17
Speaker 1: deer coming from the tour opposite direction work to scrape
25:19
Speaker 1: and lead would helping him a get shots. So you
25:21
Speaker 1: want to be able to shoot that scrape, but you
25:24
Speaker 1: gotta have your A game on. And right now you'll
25:28
Speaker 1: see in your cameras are are just most of it
25:31
Speaker 1: was after dark. Now they're starting to get right after dark.
25:36
Speaker 1: And this next week now they're going to get just
25:38
Speaker 1: a little earlier and early enough um where they'll be there,
25:42
Speaker 1: you know, in daylight hours. So this is the week
25:45
Speaker 1: to capitalize on it. Um. And like I said last night,
25:50
Speaker 1: I had when I could have one of these smaller
25:53
Speaker 1: bucks that was working that area came in and worked
25:55
Speaker 1: one of the scrapes off of that big one, um,
25:59
Speaker 1: which I also could from the next tree. So I
26:02
Speaker 1: might even give that. Now we just got a fresh
26:03
Speaker 1: stoll uh he didn't show last night. I might get
26:07
Speaker 1: that one more, one more shot here, um before I
26:11
Speaker 1: start heading to some stuff, wander into some stuff a
26:15
Speaker 1: little closer to food sources. Now we got snow on
26:17
Speaker 1: the ground, a little nastier weather. So yeah, so when
26:20
Speaker 1: do you switch to more of a you know, when
26:23
Speaker 1: you move away from the scrapes and focus on core
26:25
Speaker 1: rutt stuff. Is that like November one on the dot?
26:28
Speaker 1: Or is something else? Last year it ended up around
26:31
Speaker 1: that that time usually, um, you just get a feel
26:34
Speaker 1: for what's going on on the property with the activity
26:37
Speaker 1: of the deer. Um Like now you're deer feed and
26:40
Speaker 1: heavy are still in the corn fields and all that,
26:42
Speaker 1: and these deer are out searching and putting down other
26:47
Speaker 1: scrapes for um for groups of deer that are in
26:52
Speaker 1: different areas, so they're traveling more. So now you can
26:55
Speaker 1: you can be on some of those scrapes or on
26:56
Speaker 1: field edges where the or where a lot of the
26:58
Speaker 1: dolls are starting to um or are feeding, and then
27:02
Speaker 1: some of them bucks will start coming out, and it
27:05
Speaker 1: seems like they move earlier and earlier, and all of
27:06
Speaker 1: a sudden they're up and they're moving and they don't
27:09
Speaker 1: stop moving. So UM, I was hoping last night, and
27:13
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna happen, because one of the
27:15
Speaker 1: bucks that that came in down there obviously got booted
27:19
Speaker 1: out off the mountaintop there from another dear and he
27:23
Speaker 1: come running through like a scared little a little b
27:27
Speaker 1: and uh, and I thought for sure that thing would
27:29
Speaker 1: come down to work that's scrape, but it never did.
27:31
Speaker 1: And I was hoping another buck would come in and
27:32
Speaker 1: get on that scrape where he would see that then
27:35
Speaker 1: get get a gander up and come on down, but
27:39
Speaker 1: never never came off the the mountain sol Um. Now
27:44
Speaker 1: they'll start moving out and moving earlier, and and they'll
27:48
Speaker 1: be a little tougher to pin him on the actual
27:50
Speaker 1: one scrape, you know. So yeah, so once November does
27:53
Speaker 1: hit and it's it's feeling like the ruts on um.
27:57
Speaker 1: And now I know you say that the rut has
27:58
Speaker 1: been frustrating for you in the past, as you like
28:00
Speaker 1: to be after one specific buck. But in this kind
28:02
Speaker 1: of case where you don't have the one specific buck
28:06
Speaker 1: that your heart set on, which is a situation that
28:08
Speaker 1: a lot of people listening are in right, they just
28:09
Speaker 1: want to kill any good buck. Um, what's it? Then? Yeah,
28:13
Speaker 1: so what do you what are you doing once the
28:16
Speaker 1: rut hits? What does your day and your setups look like?
28:19
Speaker 1: So I still scout during that that time because certain
28:24
Speaker 1: areas and spots that are the farm will will heat up.
28:27
Speaker 1: But their traditional stand set ups or locations that you
28:30
Speaker 1: know from time tested or you read the sign, you
28:34
Speaker 1: want to be set up in those spots proper with
28:37
Speaker 1: the wind and the whole goal is that anything that
28:40
Speaker 1: comes through there, um, you are able to kill. So
28:44
Speaker 1: let's say you set up on a spot like that
28:46
Speaker 1: and you get a bunch of deer come through and
28:48
Speaker 1: nothing that you want to shoot. As long as everything
28:50
Speaker 1: that came through could have got an arrow on it,
28:52
Speaker 1: and you could have been successful until the tag it
28:55
Speaker 1: was successful set you just had to you know. Um
28:59
Speaker 1: And and the biggest thing, the highest thing for me,
29:01
Speaker 1: is to make a last minute decision because we've got
29:04
Speaker 1: a lot of rack bocks around here, in big rack
29:07
Speaker 1: bocks of it's the one you want, and that's very
29:10
Speaker 1: very hard to do on the fly. So it's really
29:13
Speaker 1: nice to identify something with a camera before. And you know,
29:17
Speaker 1: you know, when you see that deer, you know, you
29:19
Speaker 1: get yourself in gold mode and you're, um, you're you're
29:24
Speaker 1: ready when it comes through. Otherwise you're just you know,
29:26
Speaker 1: right to the last minute, you're gonna make it. Have
29:28
Speaker 1: to make a split decision whether you want to harvest
29:30
Speaker 1: that deer or not. You know, so um and guys
29:34
Speaker 1: make the mistakes. So it matter of fact of just
29:36
Speaker 1: the buddy of mine just all happened real quick, and
29:40
Speaker 1: he's got a deer in the ground that's nice, but
29:43
Speaker 1: not all that big that he wished you would have,
29:45
Speaker 1: you know, wish you would have took a second look
29:48
Speaker 1: or had an opportunity to figure it out. But it's
29:50
Speaker 1: just it's more than what he wanted, you know. So um,
29:54
Speaker 1: and that happens a lot. So you mentioned that you're
29:57
Speaker 1: still scouting at this point looking for sign. What's the
30:00
Speaker 1: sign that matters for you during the rut? Because we
30:02
Speaker 1: covered a lot about what matters to you in October?
30:04
Speaker 1: But is that different at all now? So there's obviously
30:09
Speaker 1: it's it's been raining here, like I think we had
30:12
Speaker 1: six inches in the last few days. There's mud everywhere.
30:15
Speaker 1: You can read sign. Her blind man could read sign
30:17
Speaker 1: right now. Um, I'm gonna concentrate on groups of dolls
30:23
Speaker 1: now where all the dolls are feeding, where they're at
30:25
Speaker 1: for in a little bit they're probably going to height
30:27
Speaker 1: and mode. But wherever those wherever those dolls are now
30:30
Speaker 1: and feeding now, there's gonna be a lot of bucks
30:34
Speaker 1: round around, poking around, even though the dolls aren't ready. Um,
30:38
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna concentrate on spots like that that are
30:40
Speaker 1: heating up, especially picked corn fuel. Over here. Your alfelfa
30:45
Speaker 1: is dying ao, but now our clover are still kicking
30:47
Speaker 1: in pretty good. Um. So they're they're feeding a lot
30:50
Speaker 1: in that you know, clover field. Uh, and then we
30:53
Speaker 1: got some turnips and radishes in those will start kicking
30:55
Speaker 1: in so um. You know, you start getting a lot
30:58
Speaker 1: of dolls feeding on that, you're gonna want to be
31:01
Speaker 1: hunting basically those spots even though you're not hunting the
31:04
Speaker 1: dolls them bucks will be there and it will be
31:08
Speaker 1: you know, out in the fields sniffing around and stragging them.
31:11
Speaker 1: So and that's mostly for evenings on those food sources
31:15
Speaker 1: or even will you be close to that even for
31:17
Speaker 1: those mornings evenings you could be on those spots even
31:20
Speaker 1: depending upon your moon faces in the mornings, but traditionally
31:24
Speaker 1: off of those spots in the morning where they're coming
31:26
Speaker 1: back to bed, yeah not be Let's say you're back
31:31
Speaker 1: in the timber. You know, those deer out there all
31:34
Speaker 1: feeding and they're gonna be trickling back in um to
31:37
Speaker 1: bed in the morning. And and and now they're starting to
31:41
Speaker 1: especially when the corn starts coming down or starting to
31:43
Speaker 1: have a little bit longer of a a run back
31:47
Speaker 1: to betting instead of betting right, But where they're at
31:49
Speaker 1: a lot of them, dear, been just living in that corn.
31:52
Speaker 1: Mostly you're you know, just parking it. They're eating and
31:55
Speaker 1: and milling around. So do you do anything different once
31:58
Speaker 1: that corn comes down to that flip any switches for you?
32:01
Speaker 1: Because I know across a lot of parts of the
32:03
Speaker 1: country that's happening right now. It's happening for me in
32:05
Speaker 1: a proper DWN hunt. It's it's nice because you know,
32:09
Speaker 1: well the outside is most of my corns out and
32:12
Speaker 1: all my neighbors stilling, which is a very bad thing.
32:14
Speaker 1: So once all the corn comes down, that cuts your
32:18
Speaker 1: more than half your cover that those deer can be
32:21
Speaker 1: in is gone. So that's just it just makes it
32:24
Speaker 1: an easier, easier hunt. Um, if you've got corn and
32:28
Speaker 1: all year you can have bucks living in that corn
32:30
Speaker 1: most of all, you know, then those could be out
32:32
Speaker 1: in there and it's just a little tougher tougher to
32:34
Speaker 1: get to them. So yeah, So those those the food
32:38
Speaker 1: sources you mentioned, like a recently cut corn field or
32:41
Speaker 1: a turnip field or elf helfa or whatever um you mentioned,
32:46
Speaker 1: usually gonna hunt those in the evenings. Can you walk
32:49
Speaker 1: me through how you would specifically set up a stand
32:52
Speaker 1: to be hunting one of those food sources, because some
32:54
Speaker 1: people might hear you say that and think that you're
32:56
Speaker 1: just randomly on the edge of the field. I'm guessing,
33:00
Speaker 1: I don't know, are you thinking about certain things with
33:02
Speaker 1: how dear getting down into the food source or areas
33:05
Speaker 1: where you can find a wind safe position wherever you're
33:08
Speaker 1: ambush So it is you're just you're going to make
33:10
Speaker 1: sure your your wind is it's right for that. I'm
33:12
Speaker 1: I'm on I'm on one of my favorite foodstre spots.
33:17
Speaker 1: Uh quarantine left to me over field to the right,
33:21
Speaker 1: I'm on a hedgerow in a pine eight feet off
33:24
Speaker 1: the ground that's just stark naked, that strategically located where
33:29
Speaker 1: I can even get some on the right wind with
33:32
Speaker 1: the right speed, I can get the wind literally growing
33:35
Speaker 1: blown over the top of deer. They're coming down onto
33:37
Speaker 1: me and up, and it's just it's phenomenal. I'm not
33:39
Speaker 1: even in the timber, I'm I'm kind of out on
33:42
Speaker 1: the edges of it um. And that's what's really nice
33:45
Speaker 1: about that is you can get a glimpse at something
33:48
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't normally see if you're just inside the woods.
33:54
Speaker 1: All of a sudden you see, you know, big old
33:55
Speaker 1: buck pop out way at the end of the clover field,
33:58
Speaker 1: chase a few dolls around and jump back again. Um,
34:01
Speaker 1: that's some great until to have the slide over the
34:03
Speaker 1: next day and and make a move on it. Where
34:05
Speaker 1: if you're a lot of guys like to stay back
34:08
Speaker 1: in the timber a little bit catch from coming out,
34:09
Speaker 1: you don't see half of what. Um um, you know
34:14
Speaker 1: what you're learning on on pole so that I don't
34:16
Speaker 1: know if a lot of guys know that. But years
34:17
Speaker 1: ago I was a big, big field edge hunter. I
34:19
Speaker 1: mean I spent every evening was on a a field
34:24
Speaker 1: edge and never even really went back into the timber
34:25
Speaker 1: and stuff. And so you get a chance to learn
34:27
Speaker 1: a lot from that and um um, some exciting hunting. Yeah,
34:33
Speaker 1: now what we kind of talked about this in August,
34:37
Speaker 1: but I want to just bring it up again and
34:40
Speaker 1: really specifically focus on during the rut, and that is
34:43
Speaker 1: the snare you just described there where you're sitting somewhere
34:46
Speaker 1: and you see a buck pop out and he chases
34:48
Speaker 1: a dough off the food plot or the field and
34:50
Speaker 1: he's back in the timber. So you saw a buck
34:52
Speaker 1: you want to shoot, and you saw him do something.
34:54
Speaker 1: So in a lot of cases i'd say, are right,
34:56
Speaker 1: go there and hunt there the next day. But in
34:59
Speaker 1: this case rut. Yeah right, So tell me now, now
35:02
Speaker 1: you're just something chasing a dell. It could be random,
35:05
Speaker 1: right would you would you move over there? Yeah? If
35:07
Speaker 1: it's small bucks shagging around, you can kind of tell when. Um,
35:12
Speaker 1: but that might be a just an area that dead
35:15
Speaker 1: deer is coming to frequent dead feel to see what's
35:17
Speaker 1: on it and then popping off. Um, those dolls. If
35:22
Speaker 1: you can identify or or see a group of dolls
35:25
Speaker 1: where dolls coming into heat, it's like having live bait
35:28
Speaker 1: for you. So traditionally that doll will not get bread
35:31
Speaker 1: for four days. You'll have the stink where the buckle
35:35
Speaker 1: know it's getting close. Um. And those deer are not
35:39
Speaker 1: like the rut where they change their their patterns. They
35:42
Speaker 1: still go to their bedding and they're feeding. So you
35:44
Speaker 1: can kind of if you know that section of your
35:47
Speaker 1: area of woods and you know them, then deer traditionally
35:50
Speaker 1: comes to that field and go back on that corner.
35:53
Speaker 1: You know, there could be four other groups of deer
35:55
Speaker 1: coming that go off totally different ways to bed and
35:58
Speaker 1: coming from different ways. So now you know that buck
36:02
Speaker 1: is concentrating on those dolls. So you go over there
36:05
Speaker 1: and you you put yourself in that corridor. Um, you've
36:08
Speaker 1: got a portable stand. You go over there. You see
36:11
Speaker 1: what you know, which what trails are really heavy. You know,
36:14
Speaker 1: you get get down one the bums to twich you're
36:18
Speaker 1: spot your hunt them. Um, so okay, this is this
36:22
Speaker 1: is important. I think you're basically saying that, well, you
36:26
Speaker 1: might not be able to usually pattern a buck during
36:28
Speaker 1: the rut, you can pattern the dos. And when you
36:31
Speaker 1: know that a group of does or one of them
36:34
Speaker 1: within a family group is either in heat or shuret
36:36
Speaker 1: seems like it's close, and you know where those doughes
36:39
Speaker 1: spend the time, focus on that spot for the next
36:41
Speaker 1: few days, and you you you kind of pattern a
36:44
Speaker 1: buck by doing that, because you really can't you really
36:47
Speaker 1: can't pattern a buck at that time, or they just
36:49
Speaker 1: are I think I mentioned that and somebody else's podcast
36:53
Speaker 1: over they don't know what they're doing the next day.
36:57
Speaker 1: That could be, you know, once that ship starts sitting
36:59
Speaker 1: a fan. That's ah, it's pretty chaotic, and it's weird
37:03
Speaker 1: that you you know, you got these deers there pattern
37:05
Speaker 1: they're in certain areas, these books, and as they start
37:09
Speaker 1: branching out and traveling more, they're just men are off
37:13
Speaker 1: on tangents, you know, and they don't know what they're
37:15
Speaker 1: gonna run into. And um, so you're kind of like
37:19
Speaker 1: I said, right now, a good is a good time
37:21
Speaker 1: to um. They're still still working those scrapes. But once
37:26
Speaker 1: it gets to the point where you just don't start
37:28
Speaker 1: coming a little bit, those scrapes are really hit or miss,
37:31
Speaker 1: and I don't like to um burn up a lot
37:34
Speaker 1: of time on them, you know, unless they're writing a
37:36
Speaker 1: corridor where the deer are traveling. Um, then obviously the
37:39
Speaker 1: bucks coming through, he'll he'll work it. But um, yeah,
37:43
Speaker 1: you can pattern pattern in dolls, patternet spot, get that
37:46
Speaker 1: spot and then just just hunt it. That's uh. Now
37:50
Speaker 1: is that more of what it was done? Is that
37:52
Speaker 1: more of a thing that just works at the very
37:55
Speaker 1: beginning of the run. I'm wondering if once you're in
37:57
Speaker 1: November ten and a percent of the dos or heat,
38:01
Speaker 1: it probably isn't as effective because because everything's lit up, right,
38:05
Speaker 1: So then then what you want to do is now
38:06
Speaker 1: you're gonna look. Now you're on located adult that's literally
38:10
Speaker 1: in heat, and the bucks are dogging her. She could
38:13
Speaker 1: be bread. In a couple of days, you're gonna have
38:16
Speaker 1: not one buck on her. You're gonna have a shiploadle
38:18
Speaker 1: bucks and that and that little I don't know if
38:21
Speaker 1: you ever experienced the turn the ruck. You'll be on
38:23
Speaker 1: a wherever you're actually least your property, and all of
38:25
Speaker 1: a sudden, for two or three days, four days, the
38:27
Speaker 1: thing just it's just ice cool. It's like a ghost town. Um.
38:31
Speaker 1: It was like on fire for a minute, and then
38:33
Speaker 1: just pull all those bucks might be on one doll
38:38
Speaker 1: that's going on to heat and just trailing her and
38:41
Speaker 1: telling her and wherever the hell she's at or traveling too,
38:45
Speaker 1: that's where they're at. So you have to have the
38:47
Speaker 1: werewold all to go find that, um situation. It's pretty
38:52
Speaker 1: it's pretty easy with scouting and I do the old
38:54
Speaker 1: bumping dumb at that time, you'll you'll jump a bunch
38:56
Speaker 1: of bucks in a drawer in a certain spot. Uh.
39:00
Speaker 1: And if there's a bunch of them there and someone
39:01
Speaker 1: may even moving or running off, you kind of know
39:04
Speaker 1: that you're in the right draw so you could, um,
39:09
Speaker 1: you know, you can step up and hunt hunt that
39:11
Speaker 1: spot and if you're not, if you're on the other
39:13
Speaker 1: side of the farm, you'll you'll burn up to three
39:15
Speaker 1: days and not literally not see you see a thing.
39:19
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you've experienced it, but I've
39:21
Speaker 1: had his menus. You know, ten twelve bucks all in
39:25
Speaker 1: one draw, um, trying to get ahold of one dough
39:28
Speaker 1: that's that's coming in, you know. Yeah, And this is
39:33
Speaker 1: one of those things that I want to dive deeper
39:34
Speaker 1: into because you mentioned this real lightly last time, But
39:39
Speaker 1: talk to me a little bit about the scenario where
39:44
Speaker 1: you would do this. So I know you said, Okay,
39:46
Speaker 1: during the rut and it's cold and cold by like
39:48
Speaker 1: you're not seeing a lot of activities. So is there
39:51
Speaker 1: a certain window like dates is it? Is this a
39:53
Speaker 1: thing that from no feeling okay, yeah, you'll be sitting
39:58
Speaker 1: in it's like Jesus Christ, you know, this is this
40:01
Speaker 1: is insane. You're sitting here. It's just uh you're thinking,
40:04
Speaker 1: you're all you're in your traditional good spots, uh, and
40:07
Speaker 1: it's just it's just stuff just goals just goes cold
40:11
Speaker 1: on you and you just, um, you gotta find out
40:14
Speaker 1: where the action is happening, you know, and it's and
40:16
Speaker 1: it's happening somewhere and sadly, if you've got a small piece,
40:21
Speaker 1: it could be happening on somebody else's deal and you're
40:24
Speaker 1: you're stuff just waiting for um, waiting for it to happen.
40:27
Speaker 1: So are there any specific kinds of places that you
40:31
Speaker 1: are going when you're trying to find where this rut
40:33
Speaker 1: fest is happening? Is it? Are you gonna walk right
40:36
Speaker 1: away or hit each betting area or what I know?
40:40
Speaker 1: Um like on this property? You know, and and with
40:44
Speaker 1: experience of hunting us a spot you should over over
40:47
Speaker 1: years you should learn those. We have an area here
40:49
Speaker 1: that there's a long drawn out, really sick nasty cedars
40:56
Speaker 1: grass is an old pastor area that literally comes to
40:59
Speaker 1: a law ms rowing on the point and ends up
41:01
Speaker 1: going nowhere. It comes to all open fields and at
41:05
Speaker 1: that time of the year, them those just they all
41:07
Speaker 1: everything puts down into that type point. It's like really
41:11
Speaker 1: thick where they can kind of height and try and
41:13
Speaker 1: say for them dolls, and it just it just lights
41:16
Speaker 1: up like you wouldn't believe in that corner and you
41:18
Speaker 1: will just see big buck after big buck just heading
41:22
Speaker 1: down into that corner shopping for somethone heading back out
41:25
Speaker 1: you know, looking if they're if they're in there, if
41:26
Speaker 1: they're stacked in or and I have a numerous, numerous
41:30
Speaker 1: big deer um in that spot and now I already
41:34
Speaker 1: have now I have stands set for where they come
41:37
Speaker 1: in and out of there. So it's it's a really
41:39
Speaker 1: nice set. Um. I got a buddy coming out this year.
41:43
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put him on that spot. And hell, that
41:45
Speaker 1: was stuff a good time, so um kind of a
41:48
Speaker 1: it's thick, but it's grassy. It's thick with mixed pines.
41:52
Speaker 1: So where you're sitting you can see a lot, if
41:54
Speaker 1: that makes sense. You know, you're not real high in
41:56
Speaker 1: the stand, but you get a chance to see all
41:58
Speaker 1: the action and uh. And some of the spots are
42:01
Speaker 1: where you're you're so thick at the pint. It really
42:04
Speaker 1: sucks because it's it just happens all of a sudden boom.
42:08
Speaker 1: There's you know, there's a hundred and sixty bucks sitting
42:10
Speaker 1: right there, and you didn't even have time to react
42:12
Speaker 1: or get ready, and you know you got about whose
42:15
Speaker 1: seconds to make a move or it's or it's gone
42:17
Speaker 1: type of things. So I hate those spots. But there
42:20
Speaker 1: are some that are that are really good that a
42:23
Speaker 1: guy just has to sit, you know. Let's say then
42:27
Speaker 1: we we are searching for a place like that. Let's
42:30
Speaker 1: say you know, I went out, it's been a lousy
42:32
Speaker 1: two days of red hunting, and I'm thinking to myself, Okay,
42:36
Speaker 1: there must be something going on somewhere else. I'm gonna
42:39
Speaker 1: try to find it. I'm getting aggressive, so I'm walking
42:41
Speaker 1: around like you're describing. I'm checking out some of these nasty, grassy,
42:45
Speaker 1: thick spots and I find it. I get in there,
42:47
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, two bucks go running off,
42:49
Speaker 1: and I see a doe squired out, and I'm thinking, okay,
42:52
Speaker 1: this might be what we're talking about. Can you tell
42:56
Speaker 1: me how you set up in that spot? Like, because
42:58
Speaker 1: do you want to walk through it all and see it?
43:01
Speaker 1: Do you stop right then? You're you're there? Actually found
43:03
Speaker 1: them other load. Now you just you know, you look
43:05
Speaker 1: for the beat trail or a sign that that's that's
43:08
Speaker 1: good with the with the wind there, and you get
43:10
Speaker 1: on that. Uh you get on that that trail and
43:13
Speaker 1: you set up and you you sit tight. I've had
43:16
Speaker 1: a lot of times where I'd be setting up a
43:17
Speaker 1: stand and uh um. Sometimes I'll run and grab a
43:21
Speaker 1: stand and and and bring one back in and set
43:23
Speaker 1: up on that. And I've had a lot of times
43:24
Speaker 1: right how to stand with me? And as I'm setting up,
43:28
Speaker 1: lo and behold a freaking deer come piling right back
43:30
Speaker 1: in through. And um you got you got a buck
43:34
Speaker 1: standing there watching you set up your stand too. So um,
43:38
Speaker 1: that's why I traditionally like to stay kind of low
43:40
Speaker 1: and um, kind of out of the way. But yeah,
43:43
Speaker 1: when you find those little uh louting honey hooles, I've
43:47
Speaker 1: done a lot of times. I've pushed them all out
43:49
Speaker 1: of there, got my stand, and boom, they all come
43:51
Speaker 1: just you know, toward evening, even if they went and
43:54
Speaker 1: bed and a little further, just come come piling out
43:56
Speaker 1: of there. Um, those bucks all tuntings and stuff. Soon.
44:00
Speaker 1: How long will you give a spot like that? Will
44:01
Speaker 1: you hunt it for two more days? Will you sit
44:04
Speaker 1: on it for a while? A spot like that, you're
44:06
Speaker 1: gonna you'll capitalize on it right away. You're in, you're
44:09
Speaker 1: in the ship. It's gonna happen right then that night
44:11
Speaker 1: you're on red hot sign. Um. If it's if it
44:16
Speaker 1: takes two days, those they're they're not there. They they
44:19
Speaker 1: had an offer who knows what the hell happened. You know,
44:23
Speaker 1: mighty ran across the road, you might chase to cross
44:25
Speaker 1: across the road or something back in there, and some
44:27
Speaker 1: other big guy got onto it and they're battling over there.
44:30
Speaker 1: But traditionally, um, when it does, when they're kind of
44:35
Speaker 1: that doll, they're gonna they don't give a ship what
44:37
Speaker 1: you are as long as you're not bumping and spooking
44:40
Speaker 1: the dough. And a lot of times they don't the
44:42
Speaker 1: dolls I even't seem to care. I've almost had the
44:44
Speaker 1: assumption that some of them dos literally bring them bucks
44:49
Speaker 1: by you, hoping the freaking that you can get the
44:51
Speaker 1: hell that that thing off their aft, you can punted back,
44:54
Speaker 1: you know, so help me out. But it's, uh, yeah,
44:57
Speaker 1: it's weird. It's and they don't give a ship. They
45:00
Speaker 1: got a hot goal. They can see you, they can um.
45:03
Speaker 1: They ain't leaving her side. Wherever she's going, she's they're following.
45:07
Speaker 1: What about What about a situation like you personally might
45:11
Speaker 1: find yourself in where you go and you find one
45:14
Speaker 1: of these hotspots you're hunting and you're in the middle
45:16
Speaker 1: of it, there's a dough run around, there's seven bucks
45:18
Speaker 1: all over the place, but none of them are the
45:20
Speaker 1: buck you want, so you're not gonna hang around just
45:25
Speaker 1: in case a big one. Absolutely. So like early season
45:28
Speaker 1: this year, I'm I'm sitting observation post. Nothing's going on yet,
45:34
Speaker 1: everything's uh. I go into certain fields that I got
45:38
Speaker 1: food plots, hel Delfa, and I sit back and I watch,
45:42
Speaker 1: and let's say I got five seven bucks off the
45:47
Speaker 1: field feeding a bunch of dolls out there. None of
45:50
Speaker 1: them are acknowledging each other, They're just on the feed.
45:53
Speaker 1: It's it's second week October. I basically know that what
45:57
Speaker 1: I've seen that night there is what that place has
45:59
Speaker 1: to offer. And I I just get down and I
46:03
Speaker 1: go look at the next spot. And then I, uh
46:05
Speaker 1: so I went to another spot that well, it was
46:07
Speaker 1: actually spot three, and that's where I located three monstrous
46:12
Speaker 1: eight points right off one of our food plots. Just um,
46:15
Speaker 1: and you'll see some of the stuff on white peledictions
46:17
Speaker 1: this year. I got on video, but um, you know,
46:21
Speaker 1: it's pretty excited. I've seen some nice cages coming out
46:24
Speaker 1: and shoot and um and they're all freaking eggs, big disavates.
46:30
Speaker 1: Uh So I kind of know that that's what that
46:32
Speaker 1: spot has to offer. So I kept bouncing a little
46:34
Speaker 1: bit of time that I had. Uh a matter of fact,
46:39
Speaker 1: I think that one spot I had to come back
46:42
Speaker 1: to one time because I got a call a truck
46:44
Speaker 1: was coming. I had to get down at a half
46:46
Speaker 1: hour before dark and go onload the truck, which um
46:53
Speaker 1: just about killed me. But that last half hour could
46:55
Speaker 1: have been where maybe a magna would have came out
46:58
Speaker 1: and I had a glimpse of them, So I didn't
46:59
Speaker 1: get the until that I really wanted there. But normally,
47:02
Speaker 1: like I said, you your weed through it. Most guys
47:05
Speaker 1: are they an't leaving that you know they're parking her
47:08
Speaker 1: grass or seeing them here, that's they're not leaving that spot.
47:11
Speaker 1: And um, and also the stand that will have a
47:15
Speaker 1: shipload of one fifties come through and I'll get done
47:17
Speaker 1: and I won't come back because there's just not what
47:19
Speaker 1: I'm looking for in that spot. So ma'am, yeah, well
47:25
Speaker 1: you know what you want and I gotta go find it.
47:28
Speaker 1: I get that. What about uh the next scenario in
47:35
Speaker 1: here where you found this pocket of excitement and you
47:40
Speaker 1: do see a buck you want, but he's locked on
47:43
Speaker 1: that dough hard and you know they're not they're not
47:47
Speaker 1: coming your way. Do you walk me through what you
47:51
Speaker 1: are you gonna throw the throw the book at him
47:53
Speaker 1: with every call and rattling sequence you got chasing down.
47:57
Speaker 1: I've done a little of that stuff, but all the
47:59
Speaker 1: call and adela and you want and taking that buck
48:02
Speaker 1: off that door, you're gonna have to. So let's say
48:06
Speaker 1: maybe it's a doll that you know, Maybe it's a
48:08
Speaker 1: dough you've seen before and you can identify and you
48:11
Speaker 1: know her travel routes, or we're you know, you're just
48:14
Speaker 1: try and get on that corridor. Um. A good calling
48:20
Speaker 1: card for you to key in on is when when
48:22
Speaker 1: a big dominant deer, if he's got other bucks harass
48:27
Speaker 1: and trying to get to her, they will leave some aggressive,
48:30
Speaker 1: aggressive rubs on those trails that that dough is using.
48:35
Speaker 1: And that's when you find that just you sit that
48:37
Speaker 1: trail because you're you're gonna get your crack the next
48:39
Speaker 1: day that doesn't come through there and he's gonna be
48:41
Speaker 1: on ear and of seeing that just dozens of times
48:46
Speaker 1: over the years. So um, you can get some good
48:49
Speaker 1: until that way, it's still a little still a little
48:52
Speaker 1: bit of scouting. Um, I've already grabbed the stand, freaking
48:57
Speaker 1: ran around almost think I was outcometing, and tried to
48:58
Speaker 1: set up um where there was more of a pinch point,
49:02
Speaker 1: thinking that doll was heading that direction. She go through,
49:04
Speaker 1: and I just I'd just be awf a little too
49:07
Speaker 1: far and the head through and hit up somewhere else. So, um,
49:12
Speaker 1: but I don't know how you could call a buck
49:15
Speaker 1: off a doll that's in heed, he's got why would
49:17
Speaker 1: he want to do anything? But um, hey, litter, you
49:23
Speaker 1: also what he wanted. So you would you go back
49:28
Speaker 1: in there as soon as you possibly could and get
49:30
Speaker 1: set up on that corridor somehow that's gonna be. So
49:34
Speaker 1: let's say, like I said, it's let's say it's a
49:35
Speaker 1: four day window. Let's say he's on two day two.
49:39
Speaker 1: You have to get on you have to be on
49:41
Speaker 1: that trail um that that doll is using, and he
49:44
Speaker 1: will be following up not far behind. So uh and
49:47
Speaker 1: if you miss that, you miss it. If he breeds her,
49:49
Speaker 1: then he's off running somewhere else and he's not on
49:52
Speaker 1: that spot, and he just that's the rut is just
49:55
Speaker 1: a it's a it's a total luck and and percentage
50:00
Speaker 1: game and it really is. And in the favor of
50:05
Speaker 1: a guy the hunter, you know. Mostly that's why most
50:07
Speaker 1: of these guys don't the rut because you can you
50:09
Speaker 1: can get out there and get a crack every day
50:12
Speaker 1: bucks that are traveling, there's not you know, I'm just
50:15
Speaker 1: more tuned the one that I want. But if I
50:18
Speaker 1: had to feed my family or just get a deer, um,
50:22
Speaker 1: I think I mentioned me many times of a buff
50:24
Speaker 1: that will get up and I'll go buy you know,
50:25
Speaker 1: ten or six different seven different different sets on the
50:29
Speaker 1: property and one night where before you can get it.
50:32
Speaker 1: You can get them to go by one. Yeah, as
50:35
Speaker 1: all spots. So it's really um best for if you
50:40
Speaker 1: want to fill tag and harvest um. And it's probably
50:43
Speaker 1: your best bet for the buck of your life too
50:45
Speaker 1: because at that time of year, some of them deer
50:48
Speaker 1: that you know, how the big deer are there. Um,
50:51
Speaker 1: they don't move a lot. They're they're hung up in
50:53
Speaker 1: their own area. There's solitary you don't make a lot
50:55
Speaker 1: of you know. And now they're up playing and getting
50:59
Speaker 1: stupid and doing stuffy shouldn't be doing so their their
51:01
Speaker 1: their guards. They're leaving herself wide open, you know, So
51:04
Speaker 1: it would be your it'd be into your advantage to
51:08
Speaker 1: be in the woods every freaking minute you could at
51:10
Speaker 1: that time of year. And and is that what it
51:13
Speaker 1: looks like for you? I think I remember hearing something
51:16
Speaker 1: at some point that you don't like to hunt all day,
51:18
Speaker 1: or you're used to, but don't anymore. Is that right?
51:21
Speaker 1: I can't hunt all day? That's just too long about
51:23
Speaker 1: you know. It's it's one thing if you go on
51:25
Speaker 1: a hunt. Here's the big dilemma. With all my own
51:28
Speaker 1: farm here and run a business and half farming. If
51:33
Speaker 1: I was away for a week and just hunting, I
51:39
Speaker 1: could sit the whole day, but I'd never sit in
51:40
Speaker 1: the same stand a whole day. I would sit in
51:42
Speaker 1: three three different spots throughout the day to break it up. Um,
51:48
Speaker 1: but a lot of time, you know, those spots to
51:50
Speaker 1: these all day hunts. I could tell you that the
51:52
Speaker 1: two or three hour window you're gonna see your damn
51:54
Speaker 1: deer on that whole day sit. And I used to
51:56
Speaker 1: tell him about it at all the time, as you know,
51:58
Speaker 1: he's he said, all freaking day, I see my action
52:01
Speaker 1: and then uh early and late, and he see just
52:06
Speaker 1: one set of action too during the day. So um,
52:09
Speaker 1: but this rut time, those they are they get up
52:12
Speaker 1: and they're moving. Even when the doose are better, they're searching,
52:15
Speaker 1: they're they're just they're just traveling a lot more so
52:17
Speaker 1: it's it really is to your advantage to um to
52:21
Speaker 1: be in there. And I get down way too early,
52:23
Speaker 1: and a lot of that. A lot of times some
52:25
Speaker 1: bucks will let those dogs go back to bed everything,
52:27
Speaker 1: let us settle down, and that's when they get up
52:29
Speaker 1: and start shagging and running big, you know, big miles
52:34
Speaker 1: and putting some miles on to look for for dolls,
52:36
Speaker 1: going to heat if they haven't got one already, you know. Yeah.
52:39
Speaker 1: So do you ever hunt midday anymore? Is that something
52:42
Speaker 1: you ever tried keying on somewhere? Yeah? When I do?
52:45
Speaker 1: And oh it's good that I lost the point of
52:46
Speaker 1: that is that when you're hunting out of your own home,
52:50
Speaker 1: you know how it is, there's something always comes up.
52:52
Speaker 1: You're trying to do something a little bit before you.
52:54
Speaker 1: I just think we are right now, we're trying to
52:55
Speaker 1: get this podcast on. So we both get in the
52:56
Speaker 1: woods right then. I gotta run their shop. I gotta
52:59
Speaker 1: do was some you know, see what they're doing there
53:01
Speaker 1: and making sure they're building the right stuff. And then um,
53:04
Speaker 1: you just get you're you're not really hunting full full scale.
53:08
Speaker 1: Your you're juggling stuff where if you're out on a
53:11
Speaker 1: hunt or um just strictly they're hunting what's in somebody's peace,
53:15
Speaker 1: and you're you're spending your whole time doing that. You
53:17
Speaker 1: got a lot more effective. But to get to that point,
53:20
Speaker 1: if the moon face says activity at twelve thirty in
53:24
Speaker 1: the afternoon, like when I used in October, I'd said
53:27
Speaker 1: I'd be taking corn out or my crops out, um,
53:31
Speaker 1: and you know I'd have to unload trucks at primetime
53:34
Speaker 1: in the evening, or you do want to get going
53:36
Speaker 1: right away in the morning. I could dive out for
53:38
Speaker 1: an hour and a half in midday and get a
53:40
Speaker 1: get a little sit in or something like that. So, um,
53:44
Speaker 1: it's just a long that's a long day. In one stand,
53:47
Speaker 1: I've never been real patient. Um, you'll be able to
53:51
Speaker 1: doing that. I always thought it was more beneficial to
53:52
Speaker 1: get down and look around them. It was to sit. Um,
53:56
Speaker 1: scout scout scout hunt. You know, so you've mentioned the
54:00
Speaker 1: moon phase. This is something that I know you've You've
54:03
Speaker 1: put a lot of weight behind over the years. We
54:07
Speaker 1: didn't really touch on it in our previous conversation. Can
54:09
Speaker 1: you can you walk me through what it is you're
54:12
Speaker 1: king in on when it comes to the moon phase
54:15
Speaker 1: or times, um, and how that changes your strategy the general. UM,
54:20
Speaker 1: So I don't ever let it be an excuse for
54:23
Speaker 1: not getting the woods, and I probably use it for
54:25
Speaker 1: an excuse to stay a little longer or you know.
54:28
Speaker 1: So so if I hunt and I traditionally get down
54:30
Speaker 1: at nine thirty or ten earlier in October and it
54:33
Speaker 1: says that you know there's gonna be activity at ten thirty,
54:38
Speaker 1: I'll sit the extra hour, um and watch it. But
54:42
Speaker 1: traditionally you're, um, you're deeral move and they move a
54:46
Speaker 1: little later every day, a little later every day, so
54:48
Speaker 1: you can kind of follow that around, and it's, uh,
54:51
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're back, you're doing your fireman and
54:54
Speaker 1: you're seeing dear mid day because that's the time they're
54:58
Speaker 1: up in moving mid day. But you're doing what you're doing.
55:00
Speaker 1: You know, you only got time to hunt in the morning.
55:01
Speaker 1: So it's, um, it's a little frustrating that I almost
55:05
Speaker 1: wish I didn't know about that, because it's like dam
55:07
Speaker 1: I wasted my time here today or I should I, um,
55:11
Speaker 1: you know, do that or sleep in and go out
55:13
Speaker 1: a little bit later. And just the day you do that,
55:15
Speaker 1: it ends up costing you big. So um hunt as
55:19
Speaker 1: budget you can, as often as you can. You can't
55:23
Speaker 1: kill him from you know. Yeah, I'm a tractor in
55:26
Speaker 1: the hall. So true. And and the moon when you
55:29
Speaker 1: said when the moon times tells you to you know,
55:32
Speaker 1: stay a little later or something, am I right in that?
55:35
Speaker 1: The moon information you're paying attention to. You look at
55:38
Speaker 1: the red moon days right, the dial that just follow
55:42
Speaker 1: So before even the moon charts, I got animal his
55:46
Speaker 1: dials that I've been following. Um uh that all that
55:50
Speaker 1: Murray studies they did. And traditionally what I found before
55:53
Speaker 1: even that is the closer to full moon, the later
55:57
Speaker 1: to deer move when it gets full moon. They just
55:59
Speaker 1: moved late, and they're they're coming out after dark. But
56:02
Speaker 1: traditionally on that then your mornings are better late morning.
56:08
Speaker 1: So in the morning when you get in and go
56:09
Speaker 1: hunt right at the sun up, a lot of those
56:11
Speaker 1: they are betted and they're not up there moving yet.
56:13
Speaker 1: And everybody that's fun it has seen that you'll go
56:16
Speaker 1: in sometimes I can go in. I go in to
56:18
Speaker 1: the center of my property because it's the only way
56:20
Speaker 1: I can go in through a bunch of fields. And
56:23
Speaker 1: I could travel this whole property and not see a
56:25
Speaker 1: deer up on its feet anywhere near the corn any
56:28
Speaker 1: of the fields, get into my stand and it ship
56:32
Speaker 1: won't happen fill nine o'clock, you know, it just it
56:35
Speaker 1: just is not. And then there's other times that you'll
56:36
Speaker 1: go and you'll blow forty deer on the land because
56:39
Speaker 1: they're they are up feeding at that time early in
56:41
Speaker 1: the morning, right at sun up and then heading back in.
56:43
Speaker 1: So you can kind of you can kind of use
56:47
Speaker 1: that as a guideline too when the most activity is
56:51
Speaker 1: that maybe hot to get in a little different or
56:53
Speaker 1: use it to whatever advantage you can. You know you can, um,
56:57
Speaker 1: you can use it too. So UM, but one thing
57:01
Speaker 1: is that's usually on feeding and you've gotta be also
57:04
Speaker 1: smart about it that. Um the rut and big deer
57:09
Speaker 1: activity is totally different from this has nothing to do
57:12
Speaker 1: with feeding patterns. It's got nothing to do with anything
57:14
Speaker 1: but checking order and ruts. So, uh, you still have
57:19
Speaker 1: that information. But uh, some of these deer is big
57:23
Speaker 1: deer out moving around because not because the moon face
57:27
Speaker 1: says they should be on feeding. It's because they're going
57:29
Speaker 1: checking scrapes or making scrapes, you know, early October and
57:33
Speaker 1: maintaining a scrape line or things of that nature too. So, um,
57:37
Speaker 1: you gotta take that all into count you know. Yeah.
57:39
Speaker 1: So basically, once you get to this part of the
57:41
Speaker 1: year and into November, there's there's bigger forces at play.
57:46
Speaker 1: It's kind of what you're saying, yeah, yeah, so um
57:49
Speaker 1: yeah you wanna um E said that bucks are up
57:52
Speaker 1: and they're moving. They're moving just about all data. They're
57:58
Speaker 1: still bedding somewhere here or that, but they're so um
58:04
Speaker 1: they can come through anywhere at any time. So so
58:08
Speaker 1: here's a very specific scenario for you that I actually
58:12
Speaker 1: encountered recently and I'm just kind of curious how you
58:15
Speaker 1: would think about it. Um. Basically, there's a I spotted
58:20
Speaker 1: a buck that I think it was a very brief sighting, um,
58:24
Speaker 1: just a flash, but I think it was a target buck.
58:27
Speaker 1: But he was doing something that I wouldn't expect him
58:30
Speaker 1: to do. He was heading kind of into a little, tiny,
58:33
Speaker 1: little little betting pocket, like a quarter acre little pocket,
58:38
Speaker 1: um where it was next to a dirt field that
58:41
Speaker 1: got disked under. It's not where the really good stuff is,
58:44
Speaker 1: So we went. He dove into this little tiny pocket
58:47
Speaker 1: on an evening hunt. While I would have thought that
58:51
Speaker 1: if he was going anywhere, he'd be going to another
58:53
Speaker 1: part of the property that I could also see where
58:57
Speaker 1: they're cutting the corn right now. So this there I'm
59:00
Speaker 1: looking at is okay. I know that with the corn
59:02
Speaker 1: being cut right now, that most every day is gonna
59:05
Speaker 1: be flocking to that cut corn field. So you would
59:08
Speaker 1: think that the best place would be would be somewhere
59:11
Speaker 1: near that. But you just had this sighting of a
59:14
Speaker 1: buck year after on the other side, UM going into
59:17
Speaker 1: a random place that you wouldn't have thought to hunt
59:20
Speaker 1: except for the fact that you just saw him there.
59:22
Speaker 1: Would you hunt the random spout where you just saw him,
59:24
Speaker 1: or would you say, and that was probably a fluke,
59:26
Speaker 1: I should focus on the spot where probably he'll be
59:30
Speaker 1: absolutely And I always go with what what my eyes
59:34
Speaker 1: have seen and told me, and not what preconceived perfect
59:38
Speaker 1: scenarios and conditions are. I've found so many huge books
59:42
Speaker 1: that hundreds of years ago um in Wisconsin, and spots
59:47
Speaker 1: just like that, heavy plowed fields you could barely walk
59:51
Speaker 1: across them in a bucket. Go better than spots, and
59:53
Speaker 1: nobody's just to walk to that little stick of the
59:58
Speaker 1: brush out there. You'd break your ankles trying to get
1:00:01
Speaker 1: to there. Uh. Now, if do you think he was
1:00:05
Speaker 1: diving in there too, bed that he was just gonna
1:00:07
Speaker 1: go in there and that's where he was gonna lay low?
1:00:09
Speaker 1: Or did you think he was just traveling from playing
1:00:11
Speaker 1: to point B or I mean, that's that's the thing is.
1:00:14
Speaker 1: It's hard to say because he was leaving where I
1:00:17
Speaker 1: thought his traditional betting or would be, and he was
1:00:20
Speaker 1: and this is in the this is like an hour
1:00:22
Speaker 1: more than an hour before dark in the evening, and
1:00:25
Speaker 1: so he's leaving the main betting area and was going
1:00:29
Speaker 1: into this little tiny kind of secondary dough betting area.
1:00:33
Speaker 1: So my thought was that if if that was actually him,
1:00:35
Speaker 1: like I think it was, maybe he was just checking
1:00:38
Speaker 1: out one of these little tiny dough pockets and then
1:00:40
Speaker 1: circling down the next day. I would have been ant
1:00:44
Speaker 1: set up in that little low thicket for him maybe
1:00:47
Speaker 1: to do that same thing. Maybe that's the route he's
1:00:49
Speaker 1: taken from, maybe that's not his territory. Other way, all
1:00:53
Speaker 1: that prime shouldn't he has to go to that little
1:00:56
Speaker 1: plot across another plowed field into another whole area. Was
1:00:58
Speaker 1: where his travel is going out at night that way, um,
1:01:02
Speaker 1: and that's a little stepping stone to get there. So um,
1:01:08
Speaker 1: if you thought he was betting there, you can actually
1:01:09
Speaker 1: just go blow him out of there too in the
1:01:11
Speaker 1: middle of day and see if feels he was betting
1:01:13
Speaker 1: an earn held up or and then a spot like
1:01:15
Speaker 1: that too. Sometimes you don't want to hunt him where at.
1:01:17
Speaker 1: You want hunt where you're going. So um, you know,
1:01:21
Speaker 1: maybe you leave. That's not gonna be a good deal
1:01:24
Speaker 1: for you to go across that ploid field and there's
1:01:26
Speaker 1: not enough in there a set of stand If you've
1:01:28
Speaker 1: seen where he came out, you get on the edge
1:01:31
Speaker 1: of that and you wait for him to make that
1:01:32
Speaker 1: move and had that direction again, and you can go
1:01:34
Speaker 1: over on a plouid field where you've seen him come out,
1:01:37
Speaker 1: go over there and take a look and see the
1:01:38
Speaker 1: tracks he left behind. If there's three or four sets
1:01:40
Speaker 1: of him going that way, he's doing that pretty damn consistently,
1:01:44
Speaker 1: and you know that you've you've found something that nobody
1:01:47
Speaker 1: else is gonna even think. You got the honey hole. Man,
1:01:50
Speaker 1: he just got you know, um there it's it's been
1:01:55
Speaker 1: keyed up for you already to go do it. So yeah, yeah,
1:02:00
Speaker 1: I'm gonna that that that's that happened last night. So
1:02:03
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going out there tonight and uh and gonna
1:02:07
Speaker 1: gonna go over to that spot where I saw him, because,
1:02:09
Speaker 1: like you said, even though it doesn't make a whole
1:02:11
Speaker 1: lot of sense, it seems like you shouldn't you should
1:02:15
Speaker 1: here's the worst what's the way worse? Nay, And you
1:02:18
Speaker 1: sit on the field edge he comes out again, and
1:02:21
Speaker 1: that's not worst case. It's probably best cage and you
1:02:22
Speaker 1: kill it the damn thing going out. You sit there
1:02:25
Speaker 1: and you don't see him come out that way tonight,
1:02:27
Speaker 1: and then you get down, or before you go, I
1:02:29
Speaker 1: would even look around and check them tracks. You get
1:02:31
Speaker 1: it pretty excited if you see that there's a trail
1:02:33
Speaker 1: actually started on the beginning of that beat PLoud Field
1:02:38
Speaker 1: and he's said in that way, and now you know
1:02:39
Speaker 1: you've got him coming that way. Now you're just gonna
1:02:42
Speaker 1: be concerned that he gets out there early enough where
1:02:46
Speaker 1: I think it's getting to where they're moving a little
1:02:49
Speaker 1: worse right now. By if I recall, Um, it's like
1:02:53
Speaker 1: getting later and later. But uh, you know, you learn something,
1:02:56
Speaker 1: you sit it, and you take a shot at it.
1:02:58
Speaker 1: That's a worth kill one. So would you rather be
1:03:01
Speaker 1: sitting there at a chance at that or on a
1:03:03
Speaker 1: busy field with a shipload of dolls and small box
1:03:05
Speaker 1: and um having a good old time looking at all
1:03:08
Speaker 1: that action or yeah, or getting out to where you
1:03:11
Speaker 1: want what you want sit or look you know, Yeah, Yeah,
1:03:17
Speaker 1: that's that seems to be the thing to do. So
1:03:19
Speaker 1: it seems like it's either going to be one of
1:03:20
Speaker 1: those sits where I see nothing or I see the
1:03:23
Speaker 1: one I want and and I guess when you're after
1:03:25
Speaker 1: a buck like that, that's what you gotta do. Yeah,
1:03:29
Speaker 1: And there's nothing wrong with see a day or somethhere
1:03:32
Speaker 1: you learn something new. Or yeah, I want to I
1:03:35
Speaker 1: want to rewind the tape just a little bit back
1:03:38
Speaker 1: to a foul up question I had when it comes
1:03:40
Speaker 1: to the buck locked on a dough situation, because this
1:03:44
Speaker 1: is this is something I want to make sure recovered.
1:03:46
Speaker 1: You talked about the fact that when you see that,
1:03:48
Speaker 1: you should move right in there into that whatever that
1:03:50
Speaker 1: most likely travel corridors for that dough and be there
1:03:53
Speaker 1: to hopefully intercept them coming back or forth, um again
1:03:57
Speaker 1: the next day. But how long will you how long
1:04:02
Speaker 1: would you give us about like that? Would you say
1:04:04
Speaker 1: just the next day or would you give it a
1:04:06
Speaker 1: couple of days because it might be two or three
1:04:07
Speaker 1: days there together. That's ah. Um. If it's like I
1:04:12
Speaker 1: said to rub on a trail, that's a I mean,
1:04:16
Speaker 1: it's happening right then and there. It's you know, you're
1:04:19
Speaker 1: you're doing that, You're you're setting up, you're hunting right
1:04:22
Speaker 1: you know. It's almost like there isn't a delayed time
1:04:25
Speaker 1: to us. So there you're like that, you're not getting
1:04:27
Speaker 1: um times of the essence. You know. Once once he
1:04:31
Speaker 1: breathes that dough and it's he'll take her out somewhere
1:04:34
Speaker 1: that um, nobody's getting to an other bucks and other
1:04:38
Speaker 1: people and a breeder. It's and it's over. So you
1:04:40
Speaker 1: just you capitalize on sign as quick as you can,
1:04:44
Speaker 1: just like you did there. You're seeing something, you move
1:04:46
Speaker 1: on it now tonight. Then you see something else from there,
1:04:49
Speaker 1: you move on. You don't you don't backpedal, and you
1:04:52
Speaker 1: don't wait. Um uh. You want to be on a
1:04:56
Speaker 1: red hot sign, purchase it you'll you'll be in the game,
1:04:59
Speaker 1: UM like you've never been before. You your opportunities and
1:05:03
Speaker 1: your chances are just gonna start going up for you. UM,
1:05:07
Speaker 1: I'm seeing it on a page do I'm reading stories
1:05:09
Speaker 1: from guys Deppen him hauling around for ten years, six years.
1:05:15
Speaker 1: They got mobile, they got aggressive, they went in and
1:05:18
Speaker 1: they got a freaking done. Um. You know what's your
1:05:21
Speaker 1: level of aggression. It's it's hunting and you know, go
1:05:26
Speaker 1: hunt them down. And UM, you're literally like a world
1:05:30
Speaker 1: hunting them down. And your stand is your set up
1:05:33
Speaker 1: at the point that you're gonna you're you're gonna try
1:05:35
Speaker 1: and ambush. I mean, also stick with the hot sign
1:05:38
Speaker 1: and keep keep going. You're good percentages will be away
1:05:43
Speaker 1: in your favor than just now. Are guys that got
1:05:48
Speaker 1: there old. You know, I sit back and wait until
1:05:50
Speaker 1: the ship hits the fans that I go on that
1:05:51
Speaker 1: you know that's fine for you if that's what works
1:05:53
Speaker 1: for you, um, or you know you got um whatever
1:06:00
Speaker 1: scenario would be. You know you got this perfect stand.
1:06:03
Speaker 1: You need this perfect wind to hunt the spot. So
1:06:05
Speaker 1: the spot's red hunting red hot, and you're not getting
1:06:08
Speaker 1: the perfect wind, why not take a portable and going
1:06:11
Speaker 1: to manipulate that spot right now it's red hot, instead
1:06:13
Speaker 1: of waiting for the ship to peter out and missed
1:06:16
Speaker 1: the boat. It doesn't make any never made any sense
1:06:19
Speaker 1: to me from from day one. Soul Um. You know
1:06:23
Speaker 1: I heard you. I can't remember where I saw this,
1:06:25
Speaker 1: but you were talking about this idea of finding a
1:06:29
Speaker 1: red hot spot like that. But you mentioned that a
1:06:32
Speaker 1: mistake a lot of people make is that they're afraid
1:06:35
Speaker 1: to over hunt a spot like that. So the hunted
1:06:38
Speaker 1: a day and then they think, oh, well, the first
1:06:39
Speaker 1: hunt's done. Uh, I should go somewhere else, But you
1:06:42
Speaker 1: said that, no, Um, you need to keep pounding it
1:06:47
Speaker 1: because if you leave, it's gonna fizzle out. Um, you
1:06:50
Speaker 1: hunt it while it's hot. That's so, that's traditionally October
1:06:54
Speaker 1: hunts earlier. You know, your best time in is your
1:06:57
Speaker 1: first crack. Uh. Then you've kind of polluted a little bit,
1:07:00
Speaker 1: you kind of Um, Um, I got a deer to
1:07:04
Speaker 1: one one up. But when you start getting more towards
1:07:06
Speaker 1: the rock and all that, and you get this, you
1:07:09
Speaker 1: get a spot that's like a freaking zoo. None of
1:07:11
Speaker 1: them dear to give a shot anymore. They're gonna. They're
1:07:14
Speaker 1: just they're running. And it's where you would watch those
1:07:16
Speaker 1: I would check trails up and up in Wisconsin and Nicola,
1:07:19
Speaker 1: I had open hardwoods i'd hunted, and there's a faint
1:07:24
Speaker 1: trail that would go around the edge of the swamp
1:07:26
Speaker 1: on the edge of the um the hardwoods and where
1:07:31
Speaker 1: the traditional betting was. And I remember every year I
1:07:34
Speaker 1: would just be anxious. I always go over and look
1:07:36
Speaker 1: at that trail, and I go over there and look
1:07:37
Speaker 1: at that trail. And then one day I go over
1:07:40
Speaker 1: look in that trail and overnight the thing is just
1:07:43
Speaker 1: beat the freaking mud. It looks like a all of
1:07:46
Speaker 1: them deer running that trail. It's the same amount of
1:07:49
Speaker 1: deer running that trail and they're just running back and
1:07:51
Speaker 1: forth up and pretty rough before that rock where and
1:07:55
Speaker 1: they're just it's it's red hot. Everything's happening. Time to
1:07:58
Speaker 1: sit that trail. But get on there and and stay
1:08:01
Speaker 1: on it because it's um you know. Like I said,
1:08:05
Speaker 1: I've gone on bump bucks that seeing me bump them
1:08:07
Speaker 1: and came right back. They don't give a shoot. So
1:08:09
Speaker 1: hunt it well. It's hot, and when it fizzles out,
1:08:11
Speaker 1: then then move them. We'll find the next hot spot. Um,
1:08:16
Speaker 1: and so when all the time, yeah, you know you're
1:08:19
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna capitalize. So when you say fizzle out,
1:08:23
Speaker 1: basically you mean don't stop hunting that spot until you
1:08:26
Speaker 1: stop seeing the deer you're interested in. If you're sitting there,
1:08:29
Speaker 1: and if it's been three days, they keep seeing it,
1:08:31
Speaker 1: still using it, you hunt it and all of a sudden,
1:08:33
Speaker 1: now you know, the next day comes around and the
1:08:36
Speaker 1: deer don't show and they move or whatever, then then
1:08:39
Speaker 1: you get done and start poking around again, go go
1:08:41
Speaker 1: after a middle Yeah, now what about We kind of
1:08:46
Speaker 1: talked about some specific situations related to hunting the rut
1:08:50
Speaker 1: with lockdown doors or hunting those evening sits by food sources.
1:08:54
Speaker 1: But what about mornings Because for a lot of people,
1:08:56
Speaker 1: mornings are what people think of is like your us
1:09:00
Speaker 1: to run opportunity that because late morning movement and cruising
1:09:03
Speaker 1: and chasing, and where are the spots you're focusing on
1:09:07
Speaker 1: for the first part of the day during these November hunts.
1:09:11
Speaker 1: So if it's uh that time of year, and like
1:09:14
Speaker 1: I mentioned, you have traditional spots that are good that
1:09:17
Speaker 1: you've so, um, if I mind my farm here everywhere
1:09:22
Speaker 1: I got stand set in these certain areas. It's in
1:09:26
Speaker 1: the perfect spot for certain wins, um, sometimes for multiple wins.
1:09:30
Speaker 1: But if there's a deer traveling through there, you can
1:09:34
Speaker 1: get them shot there. Um. So you're gonna start now,
1:09:38
Speaker 1: you're gonna start, just start balancing around. You're gonna hope
1:09:41
Speaker 1: if it's still a deer that you're looking to get,
1:09:44
Speaker 1: you're gonna hope it's gonna be luck that he just
1:09:46
Speaker 1: happens to come through there. Now that spot that day, um,
1:09:51
Speaker 1: for whatever reason it is, it's not pattern, but you
1:09:53
Speaker 1: have a spot that you know it's good that you
1:09:55
Speaker 1: know you can get ship killed. It's a good set
1:09:59
Speaker 1: clean um, a good opportunity it comes through there. And
1:10:02
Speaker 1: if it doesn't, you could try and sit that again.
1:10:05
Speaker 1: It's like rolling the dice or you jump to the
1:10:07
Speaker 1: next spot that's really good um and hot and you
1:10:12
Speaker 1: go you go sit and you said that, and you
1:10:14
Speaker 1: just start bounce around and you see something you like
1:10:17
Speaker 1: and if you see something you can slide over the
1:10:19
Speaker 1: portable or um, what are these what are these spots? Though? Yeah,
1:10:25
Speaker 1: because you're saying that you're hunting a traditionally good spot
1:10:29
Speaker 1: that is safe from a win perspective. It kind of
1:10:32
Speaker 1: makes me think, like you're saying like therese are pinch
1:10:34
Speaker 1: points or you know, so let me tell you what
1:10:37
Speaker 1: I think about pinch points. Dear, no pinch points there
1:10:42
Speaker 1: live there and know it's a pinch point that there
1:10:44
Speaker 1: there's a So when I hunt those most spots, I
1:10:49
Speaker 1: kind of like to sit out where I can cover
1:10:52
Speaker 1: anything getting through a pinch point, cause sometimes geographically they
1:10:54
Speaker 1: have to go through the spots, and I don't think
1:10:57
Speaker 1: do you really like to do that? Um? I think
1:11:00
Speaker 1: the guard gets up on that. So and let's just
1:11:03
Speaker 1: the rock. It's deer that never been through there before,
1:11:06
Speaker 1: don't know the area, good flying, But um, I'm more hunting,
1:11:11
Speaker 1: you know, specific early it don't then start your tough
1:11:13
Speaker 1: got an open gate that the deer can walk right through,
1:11:16
Speaker 1: and then the big buck just jumps the fence forty
1:11:19
Speaker 1: down froment and cuts it short and doesn't go through it.
1:11:22
Speaker 1: You know, I just, um, not a big fan. But
1:11:25
Speaker 1: the g you know, I got areas here that are
1:11:28
Speaker 1: big draws on both sides that or maybe a hundred
1:11:31
Speaker 1: yard to cross. If a deer is coming through there,
1:11:34
Speaker 1: it's got to come through from one room wall to
1:11:36
Speaker 1: the other. Um, and I have those spots where over
1:11:40
Speaker 1: the years I watch and I see how the deer
1:11:43
Speaker 1: moved through them, and somebody's bucks will climb up a
1:11:45
Speaker 1: mountain like you won't believe, cross the bottom and climb
1:11:48
Speaker 1: up another mountain on the other side. But over the
1:11:51
Speaker 1: years you'll notice that all the biggest deer seem to
1:11:55
Speaker 1: do the same thing in that area. So you you
1:11:58
Speaker 1: set up a stand for that spot, and if a
1:12:00
Speaker 1: big buck is traveling through there that day, whatever big
1:12:02
Speaker 1: bucket is you're set up from, you know, you get
1:12:06
Speaker 1: your crack at them. Um, how about this uh situation
1:12:12
Speaker 1: like that. Let's say we we've found a spot like this,
1:12:15
Speaker 1: it's and we've we've we've never hunted in there, but
1:12:18
Speaker 1: we've seen this big I don't know, big oak that's
1:12:22
Speaker 1: in the middle of what's obviously a betting area. And
1:12:26
Speaker 1: over the years you've you've seen big bucks past this
1:12:29
Speaker 1: tree over and over and for whatever reason, you never
1:12:31
Speaker 1: hunted there. But well, let's say the reason why you
1:12:34
Speaker 1: never hunted there is because it's like smack dab in
1:12:36
Speaker 1: the middle of the bedding and there's no doesn't sound
1:12:40
Speaker 1: like a very good Yeah, it sounds't gonna get one
1:12:42
Speaker 1: good hunt of that, and then the jinx is gonna
1:12:45
Speaker 1: be up and every freaking deer that comes through here's
1:12:47
Speaker 1: gonna all um So that was so would you just
1:12:51
Speaker 1: never hunted or do you know if if I've seen
1:12:53
Speaker 1: a big deer going by there, I would go take
1:12:55
Speaker 1: my one crack at it right and um uh. And
1:12:58
Speaker 1: it could be a spot that throwing the rut dear
1:13:01
Speaker 1: travel through that. There might be every week or every day.
1:13:05
Speaker 1: It could be a different buck going through there. That's
1:13:06
Speaker 1: you're getting a fresh ambush on them. What trisially happens
1:13:09
Speaker 1: to spot like that when you hunt them early, then
1:13:11
Speaker 1: big alpha dos we'll learn that that's a tree that's
1:13:15
Speaker 1: being hunt out of it, and they will really be
1:13:17
Speaker 1: um cautious on coming through. I had it this morning.
1:13:21
Speaker 1: I'm gonna this is the most phenomenal little spot where
1:13:23
Speaker 1: they trickled through and by to go to bedding, and
1:13:29
Speaker 1: the deer kind of no. I dropped my hat, I
1:13:32
Speaker 1: believe it or not. And I always carry an extra hat,
1:13:34
Speaker 1: so climbing alway on a tree, I put another one on.
1:13:37
Speaker 1: But these big alpha dolls where they would have traditionally
1:13:40
Speaker 1: just came through, I'm hunting on the right wind. I'm
1:13:44
Speaker 1: really careful about what I do there. Um, I don't
1:13:47
Speaker 1: have anybody else not all spots they get through and
1:13:50
Speaker 1: go about their business. Bucks will follow through. But now
1:13:54
Speaker 1: because there's a freaking hat land there and they're getting
1:13:56
Speaker 1: a little sent from down although as you know, they
1:13:59
Speaker 1: stop start looking around, looking up in the tree at you,
1:14:03
Speaker 1: and just um and all of a sudden, you know,
1:14:07
Speaker 1: they learned that that's an ambush spot in that big
1:14:08
Speaker 1: Mama's in a show. Every other doll coming through that
1:14:12
Speaker 1: stay away from that tree, slide over here, and then
1:14:14
Speaker 1: you're ruining a you're ruining a really good spot. And also, um,
1:14:19
Speaker 1: you gotta be careful on not scenarios like that. So yeah,
1:14:24
Speaker 1: So if you had let's say a week let's say
1:14:27
Speaker 1: we're in a weeklong rut vacation and you've got an
1:14:31
Speaker 1: area like this where you know there's a spot in
1:14:34
Speaker 1: the middle that's amazing, but you also know what you
1:14:37
Speaker 1: just described. If you go in there, a lot of
1:14:39
Speaker 1: deer gonna wind you. Um. So if you've got a
1:14:42
Speaker 1: seven day run hunt, would you hunt the edges of
1:14:46
Speaker 1: the downward edges of the area and and just wait
1:14:49
Speaker 1: until the last day or something. I was still up
1:14:51
Speaker 1: for a good set. I wouldn't go all that because
1:14:56
Speaker 1: you know, you screw up the doll that's coming through first,
1:14:58
Speaker 1: and and the money loads what's after her. So you
1:15:01
Speaker 1: you still got to be able to have a good
1:15:03
Speaker 1: clean set where deer can get through there. Would I'll
1:15:06
Speaker 1: be a molested not knowing they're being hunted to get
1:15:08
Speaker 1: your crack at a um. You know that big deer.
1:15:11
Speaker 1: If you start educating every doll that's in there that
1:15:15
Speaker 1: you're in that tree and they start staying away from
1:15:17
Speaker 1: it or creating all kinds of havoc, it's not a
1:15:19
Speaker 1: good deal, soul Um. Some of them spots are just
1:15:24
Speaker 1: not vulnerable, brother, or they're just there's not the timber there.
1:15:27
Speaker 1: But traditionally I'll get in some pretty small little trees,
1:15:31
Speaker 1: reggae trees on the edge of that. And and you've
1:15:34
Speaker 1: heard the term. I think I've heard. I know I
1:15:36
Speaker 1: read that before it was Bill Winky wrote an article
1:15:40
Speaker 1: about hunting the fringe. You don't whatever really want to
1:15:44
Speaker 1: be in the midst of the pot. You want to
1:15:48
Speaker 1: be in all the chast that goes on. It's even
1:15:53
Speaker 1: though they're traveling like a main trail. Just think all
1:15:56
Speaker 1: of the interactions and the walking off to the right
1:15:59
Speaker 1: as rail and the left the trail on the bullshits
1:16:01
Speaker 1: it goes on. You want to kind of be on
1:16:03
Speaker 1: a on the fringe of that where you can get
1:16:06
Speaker 1: the job done but not not really mess it up,
1:16:08
Speaker 1: you know. Um, Like, I had a uh, some guys
1:16:13
Speaker 1: that told about a good spot once and there was
1:16:14
Speaker 1: like three trails that branched off and they were sitting
1:16:18
Speaker 1: in the in the middle trail. They set up on him, like,
1:16:21
Speaker 1: what the frick are you doing? There's there's never gonna
1:16:24
Speaker 1: be a scenario that that's gonna be good. There's gonna
1:16:26
Speaker 1: be something down when you off the side. Every time
1:16:30
Speaker 1: get off the side, way off the side of one
1:16:32
Speaker 1: or three, and the ones that are on the fire
1:16:33
Speaker 1: trail you you don't get. But everything coming through a
1:16:36
Speaker 1: trail one and two you get. And then the opposite
1:16:39
Speaker 1: you know, when you go on the other side and
1:16:41
Speaker 1: you hunt it, you're parking a fricki permanence stand the
1:16:44
Speaker 1: middle of that. You just probably ruined that spot for
1:16:46
Speaker 1: antibody else for the future. Um, you know, it doesn't
1:16:50
Speaker 1: make a lot of sense. So I think allot of
1:16:52
Speaker 1: it's this common sense with yeah, well, it's easy to
1:16:56
Speaker 1: get stuck in overthinking these things sometimes and and yeah,
1:16:59
Speaker 1: you just gotta focused on the basics and that'll usually
1:17:02
Speaker 1: do it for you. You you mentioned the funnel thing.
1:17:07
Speaker 1: I want to dive a little bit more into that.
1:17:09
Speaker 1: You said that you feel like sometimes he's deer feel
1:17:12
Speaker 1: uncomfortable being in these funnels. I just I don't know,
1:17:15
Speaker 1: I just never really liked so is there So if
1:17:20
Speaker 1: that's the case, then my question is is there any
1:17:23
Speaker 1: type of funnel that you do still like to hunt?
1:17:27
Speaker 1: Is there something I like him? But I don't sit
1:17:30
Speaker 1: smack dab in the middle of that. I'm off where
1:17:33
Speaker 1: it widens out and the opportunity is. So let's say
1:17:38
Speaker 1: you get an opportunity at the deer before it gets
1:17:41
Speaker 1: to be unfocused, or you get the opportunity at the
1:17:44
Speaker 1: deer after he's made it through the Leary's own and
1:17:48
Speaker 1: he thinks he's home free, so you're kind of again
1:17:51
Speaker 1: on a fringe instead a right smack dab in the
1:17:53
Speaker 1: middle of Tell's gate, you know, just so, not at
1:17:58
Speaker 1: the narrowest point, more at the top of the kind
1:18:00
Speaker 1: of situation. And you'll notice someone in them dear. You know,
1:18:04
Speaker 1: they crawl up on some goofy I ship that you
1:18:06
Speaker 1: you know, they take it wide or they take it
1:18:08
Speaker 1: so um, but it's so Yeah. It's interesting how sometimes
1:18:16
Speaker 1: you find the sweet spot the wind's right and everything
1:18:18
Speaker 1: it's in right area, and it's just just like taking
1:18:20
Speaker 1: cane from a baby. And other spots they are spot
1:18:21
Speaker 1: they're just um, not honible, and you really can't learn
1:18:25
Speaker 1: a lot of them until you get in there, and you,
1:18:28
Speaker 1: especially on a new set, you do all education you
1:18:30
Speaker 1: can and what you've known about thermals and about wind
1:18:33
Speaker 1: direction and everything, and it almost it takes a sit
1:18:39
Speaker 1: to learn. I mean, I've said it and I thought, man,
1:18:42
Speaker 1: it should work, and it's like, man, there's just no
1:18:44
Speaker 1: way you can ever get away with nothing here. It's
1:18:46
Speaker 1: I love to be here. I'd love to park it
1:18:48
Speaker 1: here and have a permanent here, but UM's just not
1:18:52
Speaker 1: in the cards, you know. That's that's gotta takes some
1:18:55
Speaker 1: discipline though, to inexperience, of course, but to be in
1:18:59
Speaker 1: a spot that looks great and feels great, but then
1:19:01
Speaker 1: you see, oh, ship, it's not It's not what I
1:19:04
Speaker 1: was hoping it would be. A lot of people would
1:19:06
Speaker 1: just stick with it and think, well, maybe I've just
1:19:08
Speaker 1: gotten lucky. Maybe it'll be better next time. So that's
1:19:11
Speaker 1: set the other day for the scrape. That's right in
1:19:13
Speaker 1: the right in the bottom. So and this is so here,
1:19:15
Speaker 1: just thick of this. You're you're in a colosseum and
1:19:19
Speaker 1: you're in the bottom of it, and all the deer
1:19:21
Speaker 1: are better than a rim. I mean, that's some crazy
1:19:23
Speaker 1: ship to be watching. You go to your ship. So
1:19:27
Speaker 1: I take the creet bottom and I take the lay
1:19:29
Speaker 1: at the land, and there I get gets set and
1:19:31
Speaker 1: I know what the wind does. No matter what the
1:19:34
Speaker 1: wind does direction wise, it doesn't matter when it gets
1:19:36
Speaker 1: into these draws, even though it might be a north
1:19:40
Speaker 1: If it hits the draw that's running a little bit
1:19:42
Speaker 1: one direction, and the winds coming down the draw. So
1:19:46
Speaker 1: I got a flank trail that's gonna be my bad trail.
1:19:49
Speaker 1: That's gonna if something comes up. I'm screwed with the wind.
1:19:52
Speaker 1: But I see there's another big valley off to the left,
1:19:56
Speaker 1: and I can't even see what my wind bottle. But
1:19:58
Speaker 1: I know from experience there's an to be a flow
1:20:00
Speaker 1: of air coming down that draw, and the wind coming
1:20:04
Speaker 1: down the draw to my right, it's gonna hit that
1:20:08
Speaker 1: flow of air and lo and behold, I had the
1:20:10
Speaker 1: one buck that I got all the video on working
1:20:12
Speaker 1: the scrape come down that and I'm like, the sun
1:20:15
Speaker 1: of a bitch is gonna you know, is he gonna
1:20:17
Speaker 1: get me? And he did not have a fricking clue,
1:20:20
Speaker 1: and the wind was going right right at him, but
1:20:23
Speaker 1: I think it was hitting that that wall of win directually.
1:20:27
Speaker 1: I worked perfect. And then I knew the wind was
1:20:29
Speaker 1: gonna die down and I'm on a creek edge where
1:20:32
Speaker 1: I'm on the ledge of it and all the therminals
1:20:34
Speaker 1: are going to just fall into the creek bottom and
1:20:36
Speaker 1: flow away, And I mean I could have killed the
1:20:37
Speaker 1: deer um and everything worked out perfect. So now I
1:20:40
Speaker 1: know a spot that's hot. It's a red hot spot.
1:20:44
Speaker 1: If a big deer is there next year, it will
1:20:46
Speaker 1: be a good spot. And I have a tree I
1:20:47
Speaker 1: know that works for a certain wind northeast, and I'm goals.
1:20:51
Speaker 1: You know, I might go down there on the northwest
1:20:53
Speaker 1: and something might be a little different. Um. So it's
1:20:57
Speaker 1: it's you know that kind of your's a trial and
1:21:01
Speaker 1: error that you learn stuff like that. So he's speaking
1:21:04
Speaker 1: the thermal and weird little wind things like that. But
1:21:09
Speaker 1: you mentioned how your thermals would drove to the creek
1:21:11
Speaker 1: and then just follow the creek out. Um, do you
1:21:14
Speaker 1: see that happening just in a location like where you
1:21:17
Speaker 1: were at there, where you're in the bottom of a
1:21:19
Speaker 1: big you know draw or will that even happen in
1:21:21
Speaker 1: flat country? If I'm in flat country and I'm next
1:21:24
Speaker 1: to a creek in the evening, life fades. So if
1:21:27
Speaker 1: if the creeks running cricks, obviously it's it's gotta be
1:21:30
Speaker 1: running there, so I gotta be some great to it
1:21:32
Speaker 1: for it to be running downhill. So in a perfect
1:21:35
Speaker 1: scenario on a creek setting, you want to be on
1:21:39
Speaker 1: the down current side because that's where let's say everything
1:21:43
Speaker 1: goes just dead com for your setup. If you're up
1:21:47
Speaker 1: that creek, your sense gonna slowly fall to the ground,
1:21:52
Speaker 1: and it's gonna slowly fall the direction that the water
1:21:54
Speaker 1: is running. So uh. In the thermals, it's a powerful
1:22:00
Speaker 1: blob of air that just moves a little bit of
1:22:03
Speaker 1: a gust here, a little bit of a gust there.
1:22:04
Speaker 1: It doesn't do shipped to that massive movement of air
1:22:08
Speaker 1: moving that way. So you're any and I hunt these
1:22:10
Speaker 1: field edges that are all everything is coming down no
1:22:13
Speaker 1: matter what happens. I can't get on the opposite of
1:22:17
Speaker 1: the field because even when the wind is right for
1:22:19
Speaker 1: that towards dusk, it's all heading across the field. So
1:22:23
Speaker 1: now I'm sitting on the opposite side where you think
1:22:25
Speaker 1: the wind was wrong, and I'm playing that thermal against
1:22:30
Speaker 1: the wind and the thermals beating the ship out the wind,
1:22:32
Speaker 1: and I'm getting a with murder. Nobody in the right
1:22:34
Speaker 1: mind is gonna think I'm going to sitting on that
1:22:36
Speaker 1: side right now because the winds blowing into the field.
1:22:38
Speaker 1: It's really not the wind is blowing through the field,
1:22:41
Speaker 1: but the massive air is going the opposite way, and
1:22:44
Speaker 1: as it bumps and it grabs that, it slowly goes
1:22:46
Speaker 1: the right. Then again, did not get I've been getting
1:22:50
Speaker 1: really good at they should for the last Year's almost
1:22:54
Speaker 1: surprising myself sometimes with what if you can get them
1:22:58
Speaker 1: spots figured out for it win direction of thermal and stuff.
1:23:04
Speaker 1: You're gold man, you can. You don't need anything else,
1:23:07
Speaker 1: but just don't let any of that air mass hit
1:23:10
Speaker 1: them there, and you're you should be good to go.
1:23:12
Speaker 1: And that just comes with experience probably or keep traling error.
1:23:17
Speaker 1: And I've had spots that you go three ft higher
1:23:21
Speaker 1: in a tree stand and the winds going in opposite
1:23:24
Speaker 1: direction you go a little bit lower. Um it's it's
1:23:29
Speaker 1: I don't select set some engineers, it's about the errors
1:23:31
Speaker 1: to do what it's gonna do, and it's you don't
1:23:34
Speaker 1: know what the hell is hitting on the way through
1:23:36
Speaker 1: all those um draws and rocks and timber and stuff.
1:23:42
Speaker 1: So some trial and error. But yeah, I guess that's
1:23:46
Speaker 1: all you can do is get out there, try things,
1:23:48
Speaker 1: learn from learn from it, and keep trying. So to
1:23:52
Speaker 1: think about it, always think of this, where would I
1:23:53
Speaker 1: want my cent to go? In a perfect scenario, where
1:23:56
Speaker 1: would I like the scent to go? The other night,
1:24:00
Speaker 1: I want I'd love this scent just so I come
1:24:03
Speaker 1: off the flat and I'm a little bit of a
1:24:06
Speaker 1: hill toward the creek, so my sense starts settling. It's
1:24:10
Speaker 1: not settling on the flat, it's it's on that angle
1:24:12
Speaker 1: going down, and I want that scent just to slowly
1:24:15
Speaker 1: pour down to the creek and then just flow that
1:24:20
Speaker 1: direction with all the other air masks that's going there.
1:24:21
Speaker 1: And it just it worked out perfect that's exactly what
1:24:24
Speaker 1: it what it did once once the wind stopped blowing,
1:24:27
Speaker 1: and then then thermals all tooked over. Um. It was
1:24:31
Speaker 1: like I said, it's it's an excellent spot. Now now
1:24:34
Speaker 1: the morning hunt will be a whole another animal. You know,
1:24:36
Speaker 1: it's um. Now it's a totally different deal there. So
1:24:41
Speaker 1: uh again, I'd have to probably hunt that, and I
1:24:44
Speaker 1: probably set up different note on the more. Anyhow, I
1:24:46
Speaker 1: would get up on a rim and get up a
1:24:48
Speaker 1: little higher what it's carrying out. So so let's jump
1:24:53
Speaker 1: a little bit back from the wind thing and back
1:24:56
Speaker 1: to just standard hunting the rut in November. We we we
1:25:01
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about what you're thinking when food sources.
1:25:03
Speaker 1: We talked a little about what you're thinking about for
1:25:05
Speaker 1: those morning hunts, pinch points, um, We've talked some about
1:25:08
Speaker 1: betting areas. Does this change at all as the month
1:25:12
Speaker 1: of November progresses? Is there something different you're doing mid
1:25:15
Speaker 1: November versus the very first few days versus the last week. Yeah.
1:25:20
Speaker 1: So let's say the ruts pretty much cooked. A lot
1:25:23
Speaker 1: of those are bread and then you have these I
1:25:27
Speaker 1: think traditionally a big run hunters say that that's really
1:25:30
Speaker 1: your chance that your biggest deer that they'll these big
1:25:33
Speaker 1: bucks are all welling up and there they're gonna go start.
1:25:35
Speaker 1: Now they're gonna travel big, vast amounts of distance looking
1:25:39
Speaker 1: for sub scribblers that they can get. Um. Now, you
1:25:44
Speaker 1: got a deer that's coming through a property that's not
1:25:49
Speaker 1: on all the little intricate as raw as this, where
1:25:52
Speaker 1: that we got big big ravines or big crick bottoms
1:25:56
Speaker 1: that come up with with the cliffs on both sides.
1:26:01
Speaker 1: For that week, you'll get deer that coming from who
1:26:03
Speaker 1: knows where two miles away, and they'll just come and
1:26:04
Speaker 1: they'll run that hole. There's actually an old logging road
1:26:07
Speaker 1: that goes up the whole thing, and they just get
1:26:10
Speaker 1: on that thing and they run through the whole freaking properly,
1:26:13
Speaker 1: just traveling looking for some little you know, stragger going
1:26:19
Speaker 1: to heat or whatever. So that's a that's a big
1:26:21
Speaker 1: travel um. So you'll set her stands for some of
1:26:26
Speaker 1: the intricate action coming off of those, but you'll include
1:26:29
Speaker 1: that travel quarter toward which is normally not as great
1:26:33
Speaker 1: in your in your package. I mean, maybe you'll slide
1:26:36
Speaker 1: your standover so you get a little of that and
1:26:38
Speaker 1: you get the normal movement from side to side or um.
1:26:43
Speaker 1: Are you a spot hog or do you like to
1:26:47
Speaker 1: sit one solid trail and just get the wind good
1:26:51
Speaker 1: for that and hunt that wound piece or you try
1:26:53
Speaker 1: and hog a bunch of three or four trails. Yeah,
1:26:58
Speaker 1: it's a it's an interesting question. That's something I've been
1:27:01
Speaker 1: kind of changing on. I used to I used to
1:27:03
Speaker 1: try to be trying to get as many things going
1:27:05
Speaker 1: firm as possible, but recently I've tried to switch more
1:27:08
Speaker 1: towards what do I think is the absolute most likely
1:27:11
Speaker 1: option and then just be perfect for that one best option.
1:27:16
Speaker 1: What do you think? It is very tough to manage
1:27:18
Speaker 1: it all, and as I mentioned, the worst the worst
1:27:22
Speaker 1: spot in the world is where you freaking you can't
1:27:24
Speaker 1: watch everything out in front of you. There could be
1:27:26
Speaker 1: some ship behind the right or left or that is
1:27:30
Speaker 1: an ugly situation. And I'd like to say that I
1:27:34
Speaker 1: could I can handle those and manage them, but it's uh,
1:27:38
Speaker 1: isn't it nice to just be down When I ought
1:27:40
Speaker 1: to sell of a beat the ship spot where you're
1:27:43
Speaker 1: just focused and you can sit tight and manage. So
1:27:47
Speaker 1: there's a little both for that UM going on. I'm
1:27:50
Speaker 1: curious how many other guys are I like to be
1:27:54
Speaker 1: the spot hog. She'd like them the more I'm a
1:27:57
Speaker 1: spot hog, which I still kind like to get as
1:28:00
Speaker 1: much trampling through, but I don't get as done as
1:28:04
Speaker 1: much as if you're just a set shot. You know,
1:28:07
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, here it comes, twenty of your yards
1:28:10
Speaker 1: will be twenty yards shot coming through when it's perfect,
1:28:13
Speaker 1: you know, no scenarios and um, yeah, got nice to
1:28:16
Speaker 1: have that role to but yeah, yeah, which which you know,
1:28:21
Speaker 1: when it comes to betting area is another rut thing
1:28:23
Speaker 1: that we've briefly touched on. This kind of goes back
1:28:26
Speaker 1: to what we talked about a little earlier when it
1:28:28
Speaker 1: comes to do you want to be right in the
1:28:30
Speaker 1: middle of them or on the fringes? Yeah, right in
1:28:32
Speaker 1: the middle would be where the most activity is. There's
1:28:35
Speaker 1: stuff coming from all over the place. But if you
1:28:39
Speaker 1: if you can't, if you can't hunt it without deer
1:28:41
Speaker 1: know when you're there, then it's worthless. So and again,
1:28:45
Speaker 1: you know, again, a big buckles in there and starts
1:28:46
Speaker 1: shaking the dose around. Just I don't know if you
1:28:49
Speaker 1: can look at it and the snow sometimes or just
1:28:51
Speaker 1: watch it's like they cover every freaking inch that whole
1:28:54
Speaker 1: area anyhow, So it's at some point in time they're
1:28:57
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna get within range where you can shoot them.
1:28:59
Speaker 1: So let them cut their own throp by. You know,
1:29:02
Speaker 1: how are you possibly going to sit in the middle
1:29:04
Speaker 1: of that with them? Do you're running up, down, all
1:29:07
Speaker 1: around backwards? You know? And what a damn dole is
1:29:10
Speaker 1: gonna catch her or gonna go this stor um? Yeah,
1:29:14
Speaker 1: then the jig's up and I would sit. I would
1:29:16
Speaker 1: sit more of that that fringe it out hunt, the hunt,
1:29:21
Speaker 1: the down wind fringe. Right? Yeah? Is there is there
1:29:25
Speaker 1: anything else andre when it comes to the rut that
1:29:28
Speaker 1: you're doing that that has helped you. That's that's different
1:29:32
Speaker 1: than most folks or that you that you kind of
1:29:35
Speaker 1: view as your secret sauce. And again, I know this
1:29:37
Speaker 1: isn't your favorite time, but I know you've also killed
1:29:39
Speaker 1: a lot of slammers during November. Um anything any other
1:29:44
Speaker 1: tricks up your sleeve that we haven't touched on. Uh No,
1:29:47
Speaker 1: it's just basically at that time, you're even you know,
1:29:49
Speaker 1: being out there and being the most Um, I know
1:29:53
Speaker 1: that a lot of slammers is h I almost didn't
1:29:58
Speaker 1: get or didn't get the because I just just the
1:30:01
Speaker 1: guy who can't sit late enough. And I do know
1:30:04
Speaker 1: that I get down and I leave some of the
1:30:07
Speaker 1: best hunting on the table. But it's just just the
1:30:11
Speaker 1: way I've been hunting all my life, and it's it's
1:30:13
Speaker 1: kind of hard to change. I know, when I hunted Illinois,
1:30:18
Speaker 1: I had never got out there early enough. I always
1:30:20
Speaker 1: got out there when I don't know how many times
1:30:22
Speaker 1: I come to my stand there's a monster standing right
1:30:26
Speaker 1: under it was on its way through that just just
1:30:28
Speaker 1: late to the dance, you know. So um, some of
1:30:32
Speaker 1: those spots you almost gotta be there for your evening
1:30:34
Speaker 1: hunt at like noon, you get in a good setting.
1:30:37
Speaker 1: I just just not accustomed to that, you know, So,
1:30:40
Speaker 1: so put your time in right. So it's it's yeah,
1:30:43
Speaker 1: you gotta put so most guys are, I think are.
1:30:45
Speaker 1: But again, you can get caught up into spending too
1:30:50
Speaker 1: much time and not being in the right spot, which
1:30:52
Speaker 1: is I think a bigger tragedy than um not being
1:30:56
Speaker 1: in there early enough. You know, so you're you're burned
1:31:00
Speaker 1: in a spot just you know, you're you're putting hours
1:31:02
Speaker 1: in it somewhere does not not the hot sign or
1:31:06
Speaker 1: um you know, or just over the hill. If you
1:31:08
Speaker 1: looked around a little bit to you definitely pick that spot,
1:31:12
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. That's a
1:31:14
Speaker 1: tricky thing with a rut in, especially if you're hunting
1:31:17
Speaker 1: a travel corridor, a pinch point type area where maybe
1:31:20
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of maybe it's not high deer density,
1:31:24
Speaker 1: but you know that eventually a good one should come through.
1:31:28
Speaker 1: That's something I've struggled in certain places. You're not going
1:31:30
Speaker 1: to see a lot of deer. But half you says,
1:31:33
Speaker 1: all right, I should move because I'm not seeing much
1:31:34
Speaker 1: at all. The other half of me says, well, you know,
1:31:38
Speaker 1: if you you could sit this thing three days straight
1:31:41
Speaker 1: and the buck you're after might not be in the
1:31:43
Speaker 1: area at all, but on day three he will come
1:31:46
Speaker 1: through if you just stick it out. And that's that's
1:31:48
Speaker 1: a tough one to know if you're wasting your time
1:31:51
Speaker 1: or biding your time. Um, and at that time of year,
1:31:54
Speaker 1: like you said, that's it's it could happen. I made
1:31:58
Speaker 1: us and now is a million times that I could
1:32:02
Speaker 1: sit on the strict and telephone poll out here in
1:32:03
Speaker 1: the road during a rug and if I sat there
1:32:05
Speaker 1: long enough, I could shoot a good deer I actualting
1:32:07
Speaker 1: off my porch, probably during a rug, but I just
1:32:10
Speaker 1: don't know if I got to wear it all to
1:32:12
Speaker 1: climb up a spot, that's just not I'm not feeling it,
1:32:17
Speaker 1: you know. And just wait for that. I guess That's
1:32:22
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is I'm not a very lucky guy,
1:32:24
Speaker 1: so I like to make my own luck, and just
1:32:27
Speaker 1: the roll advice on that, it's just not, you know.
1:32:29
Speaker 1: And then for it's the deer that I don't know,
1:32:31
Speaker 1: it's it doesn't make a lot of sense for me.
1:32:33
Speaker 1: So I still rather go, you know, why not get down,
1:32:36
Speaker 1: run a round during a run. You can wear a
1:32:37
Speaker 1: murder during a rug. You're not messing anything up, you
1:32:41
Speaker 1: know where you got a little little touchure in October
1:32:43
Speaker 1: and that. So yeah, and and so tell me just
1:32:47
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Let's wrap it up with this,
1:32:49
Speaker 1: because this is something that I used to be me
1:32:52
Speaker 1: personally a lot of guys, especially in higher pressure areas
1:32:54
Speaker 1: where there's more hunters. Um, I used to be all
1:32:57
Speaker 1: year round, just obsessed where making sure no deer ever
1:33:01
Speaker 1: knows I'm there, and really beating myself up if if
1:33:04
Speaker 1: a deer did win to me or something went wrong. Um,
1:33:08
Speaker 1: even during the run. But it seems like sometimes we
1:33:11
Speaker 1: can get away with being a little more aggressive or
1:33:13
Speaker 1: getting away with a few bumps here there during November because,
1:33:16
Speaker 1: like you just said, their mind is elsewhere. UM, would
1:33:20
Speaker 1: you agree with that? You're talking about this scenario of
1:33:22
Speaker 1: the day you hunt. But if you think that a
1:33:24
Speaker 1: deer that when you go to a stand and you
1:33:27
Speaker 1: hunt it and you leave it and you got away
1:33:30
Speaker 1: with it that night, if you think them deer in
1:33:32
Speaker 1: the middle of the night and your travels don't know
1:33:36
Speaker 1: that something that's been there, I haven't crossed it, you're
1:33:38
Speaker 1: always going to have UM. So in all the chaos
1:33:42
Speaker 1: of it, um, you know, I call it the Virgin said,
1:33:46
Speaker 1: you can mess everything up, and then in that area
1:33:49
Speaker 1: there is a spot that you didn't mess up where
1:33:51
Speaker 1: the sign all reads good. And you you work at
1:33:54
Speaker 1: that point and you hunt that spot. You take a shot.
1:33:57
Speaker 1: It's your best shot, it's your first time in. You
1:33:59
Speaker 1: read sign, it's red hot. You can't get any better
1:34:03
Speaker 1: than that. Then you get down and go find another
1:34:05
Speaker 1: spot like that the next day, or another spot the
1:34:08
Speaker 1: next day, or you know, and you keep on the
1:34:11
Speaker 1: moving it. You know, UM, you have these spots that
1:34:15
Speaker 1: are just prime and you get down and you go
1:34:18
Speaker 1: to the next one. That's I mean, I think we
1:34:20
Speaker 1: got a huntred hundred sets on this property that are all,
1:34:24
Speaker 1: you know, in good spots if something were to be there,
1:34:27
Speaker 1: and maybe thirty of them are really active good areas
1:34:31
Speaker 1: yet to this day that haven't changed. But um, still
1:34:35
Speaker 1: wonder one of those good spots, you know. Yeah, I
1:34:38
Speaker 1: mean them those looked up at me. They knew something
1:34:40
Speaker 1: was up on that tree. But I got the old
1:34:43
Speaker 1: head massed down and just played played it good and
1:34:45
Speaker 1: they didn't really get to win. And then they'll be
1:34:47
Speaker 1: back through there again. It's just one of those spots.
1:34:48
Speaker 1: I know. They just they just traveled through there and
1:34:51
Speaker 1: they just um, it's really good consistent spots. So um,
1:34:56
Speaker 1: some point being seek them out, hunt them down sometimes.
1:34:59
Speaker 1: But if you're a the right place, um, it's you
1:35:03
Speaker 1: can get away with a little more if if you
1:35:05
Speaker 1: know you're the right place. Yeah, And like we go,
1:35:07
Speaker 1: I mentioned about this property in the middle of it,
1:35:09
Speaker 1: I have to get it out of here, and I
1:35:11
Speaker 1: ain't walking, you know, walking three a mile and three
1:35:13
Speaker 1: quarters back every freaking day in and out of there.
1:35:15
Speaker 1: So these deer are accustomed to like the farmers, they're
1:35:18
Speaker 1: accustomed to them. Bikes ripping through there, they're accustomed to
1:35:22
Speaker 1: sometimes if you're too careful with it. Now it's a
1:35:25
Speaker 1: different scenario. You're going out there to hunt, and now
1:35:29
Speaker 1: it's not a norm to them to see the chaos.
1:35:33
Speaker 1: That might be a worse scenario than you know that
1:35:37
Speaker 1: been bedding back in there and here and you drive
1:35:38
Speaker 1: through on your bike, that you're out there again, that's
1:35:40
Speaker 1: you know, I don't I've never really I shouldn't say that.
1:35:44
Speaker 1: Years ago I probably felt a victim for that. But
1:35:48
Speaker 1: what all of scouting and the and the stuff that
1:35:50
Speaker 1: I do is um that I've learned over the here
1:35:53
Speaker 1: is I just it does not bother me a bit
1:35:55
Speaker 1: too even jump a deer on the way in, or
1:35:59
Speaker 1: um jumped the deer I'm after on the way in,
1:36:02
Speaker 1: or or have him no one I'm hunting them. I
1:36:04
Speaker 1: just I just don't let it bother me. So just
1:36:08
Speaker 1: keep keep moving on him and a man, it's he's
1:36:12
Speaker 1: only one way that you can avoid it is to
1:36:15
Speaker 1: get the hell out of this property. Leave and a
1:36:17
Speaker 1: big deer is there ain't no way I'm getting out
1:36:20
Speaker 1: of the cell for this property. Leave and I own
1:36:21
Speaker 1: this property, I live here, and I'm staying too. So
1:36:25
Speaker 1: so let's you know, let's do the dance. Let's play that,
1:36:28
Speaker 1: play the game, and then so who comes down on
1:36:30
Speaker 1: the top? You know, yeah, there you go. Well, I
1:36:33
Speaker 1: guess if if there's any kind of theme to this conversation,
1:36:37
Speaker 1: then it's probably go just like all of your hunting.
1:36:41
Speaker 1: It seems like really the moral of the story to
1:36:43
Speaker 1: killing bucks or in the rut for you is to
1:36:46
Speaker 1: find them, hunt them down, and then put in enough time,
1:36:50
Speaker 1: keep on adjusting, and eventually good things can happen. It's
1:36:53
Speaker 1: not rocket science. It's simply being smart and hunting hard
1:36:58
Speaker 1: and hunt where you're at. You gotta be you where
1:37:00
Speaker 1: they're at if you know they are what they are,
1:37:02
Speaker 1: and if you're not, um, you might as well be
1:37:05
Speaker 1: a million miles away if you're you know, if you're
1:37:07
Speaker 1: ten acres off. So um, alright, Andrea, let's hope some
1:37:12
Speaker 1: let's some slammer from like three miles away, it comes
1:37:15
Speaker 1: over and starts to running some bulls in here here,
1:37:17
Speaker 1: and we'll be I'll be happy if I get a
1:37:19
Speaker 1: glimpse of one. So I hope so, well, I know
1:37:21
Speaker 1: you want to get in the stands. So I want
1:37:23
Speaker 1: to I want to let you go so you can
1:37:24
Speaker 1: wrap up your other work and go find that slammer.
1:37:27
Speaker 1: So Andrew, thank you for making the time to do
1:37:30
Speaker 1: this and and real quick before we do shut it down.
1:37:32
Speaker 1: Do you have any updates for folks as far as
1:37:35
Speaker 1: anything with custom gear or YouTube or any other content
1:37:39
Speaker 1: you want folks to check out? Yeah, so check out
1:37:43
Speaker 1: a page Mobile Hunters United. Uh see what some of
1:37:46
Speaker 1: the stories and guys are success stories. Um, you can
1:37:50
Speaker 1: learn learn a lot from that. After this week, we
1:37:54
Speaker 1: should have all orders fulfilled that are in the system,
1:37:57
Speaker 1: and we now should have a little stock for you
1:38:00
Speaker 1: to these items. And so if a guy gets the
1:38:02
Speaker 1: bug just before UM, so I guess we're on time.
1:38:05
Speaker 1: When everybody for the rut. Now for the next it's
1:38:08
Speaker 1: what guys will be hunting. UM, you should be able
1:38:11
Speaker 1: to pick up just a bot every one of our
1:38:12
Speaker 1: models here in the next. Um, we can have two weeks.
1:38:15
Speaker 1: We should have some stock. UM, so you can order
1:38:18
Speaker 1: that and and let's sit it hard man send photos.
1:38:22
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear the stories and and see some
1:38:26
Speaker 1: of them photos too big and small, UM, so perfect
1:38:31
Speaker 1: and let me know what Let me know what happens
1:38:33
Speaker 1: to you this next when you go in there. Now, yeah,
1:38:35
Speaker 1: I want to I want to get a call. All right,
1:38:37
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do my best to uh stick an arrow
1:38:40
Speaker 1: in midnight and I'll send you a picture. All right,
1:38:43
Speaker 1: sounds good, brother, all right? Thanks, get under all right
1:38:46
Speaker 1: by and that's a wrap. I hope you guys enjoyed
1:38:49
Speaker 1: this one. Like I mentioned the end of my introduction,
1:38:52
Speaker 1: good luck in the woods. Have a blast, pushed through
1:38:55
Speaker 1: the tough times, grind it out, but ultimately, always remember
1:39:00
Speaker 1: to have fun. This is what we've looked forward to
1:39:02
Speaker 1: all years. So don't get so stressed out, don't work
1:39:06
Speaker 1: so hard that it's not fun anymore. As well, you've
1:39:08
Speaker 1: got to balance those things. Enjoy yourself at the best
1:39:11
Speaker 1: hunting season in your life, and until next time, stay
1:39:14
Speaker 1: wired to hunt. H