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M and M EXTRA June 9, 2026 - Karmelo trial, Artemis crew announced, primary preview · The M&M Experience

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Speaker 1: Welcome to a meeting of the minds crafted from decades
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Speaker 1: of talk show experience, an extension of the magic they've
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Speaker 1: created together on radio in the phenomenon called M and M.
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Speaker 1: Hot Topics in the News and Wisdom from Light. It's
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Speaker 1: Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher. This is eminem extra.
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Speaker 2: Enough and at the top of the list of people
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Speaker 2: who can't get enough, it's Mike and it's me. Where
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Speaker 2: the EM's Mark Davis, Mike Gallagher, Howdi, Mike Happy? Tuesday,
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Speaker 2: ninth of June. How is how is your show today?
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Speaker 3: Well, it's a primary day. It's primary day, of course,
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Speaker 3: So you're right. If you can't get enough of all
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Speaker 3: of this, we got more to come here because I
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Speaker 3: spent the day trying to navigate through the Democrats. I
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Speaker 3: used you, by the way, all through the show as
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Speaker 3: your very good explanation, because I keep saying, how can
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Speaker 3: you have it both ways? Say you believe all women
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Speaker 3: when it comes to Grant Platner, but we draw the
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Speaker 3: line in physical violence. You can't have it both ways,
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Speaker 3: you essentially said to me this morning, and I want
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Speaker 3: to get to that in just a moment because I
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Speaker 3: love what you said. You said, Look, they don't believe
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Speaker 3: the women. They just don't want to come out and
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Speaker 3: admit it because that contradicts their rule. Believe all women
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Speaker 3: means believe all women unless it's a challenger to Susan Collins,
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Speaker 3: who you despise because she's a Republican in Maine. Then
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Speaker 3: we don't believe all women. Then we think they're liars.
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Speaker 3: But can we start with Carmelo Anthony, because I know
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Speaker 3: you're all over this case, right.
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Speaker 2: Let's do, let's do. And this is one of those
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Speaker 2: things where right now, it's moments after eleventh Central here
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Speaker 2: in Texas, and the final arguments are underway as we
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Speaker 2: are speaking. So everybody watching the live stream the YouTube,
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Speaker 2: we're doing this like in you know, a literal real
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Speaker 2: time by the time this posts late afternoon here on Tuesday,
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Speaker 2: June ninth, on Apple Spotify, the usual podcast destinations. I
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Speaker 2: don't know this verdict may be in. It would be
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Speaker 2: my assertion that it should be in because this is
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Speaker 2: pretty close to open and shut. This young man is guilty, guilty.
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Speaker 3: Guilty, well, and this is breaking news because moments ago
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Speaker 3: Carmelo Anthony's lawyer, I hope you're sitting down right, don't
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Speaker 3: you don't stand. I don't stand. If anybody's watching, like
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Speaker 3: on their iPhone, please grab the wheel ten to two.
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Speaker 3: If you're hearing the podcast, please don't don't operate heavy
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Speaker 3: machinery headline Carmelo Anthony's lawyer blames Austin Metcalf for his
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Speaker 3: own death in shocking courtroom argument. The New York Post
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Speaker 3: is reporting that Carmelo Anthony Carmelo Anthony's lawyer blamed his
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Speaker 3: murder victim Austin Metcalf for the fatal running.
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Speaker 2: HeLa he impaled himself argument on the knife.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that Anthony's lawyer, Mike Howard, during closing arguments,
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Speaker 3: said Austin Metcalf had no legal right to use force
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Speaker 3: to eject Carmelo Anthony from that tent. He had the
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Speaker 3: right to ask him to leave, but he didn't have
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Speaker 3: any legal right to use force. He said. Anthony Carmelo,
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Speaker 3: or Mellow, as they affectionately call him, had an absolute
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Speaker 3: right to defend himself. If you wait until it's too
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Speaker 3: late to defend yourself, it's meaningless. And Mark Davis, I'm
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Speaker 3: gonna tell you right now, I've had conservative callers and
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Speaker 3: texters and emailers. I've had people who typically are pro
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Speaker 3: law and order. They maintain that it's a solid argument
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Speaker 3: that Carmelo Anthony was legally defending himself and you have
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Speaker 3: a right to do so, even using a knife.
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Speaker 2: There are elements of nuance here, So everybody get ready.
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Speaker 2: So you're under another school's tent, which is do you
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Speaker 2: have a legal sure, you have a legal right to
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Speaker 2: be anywhere that you don't have a legal right. But
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Speaker 2: he wasn't breaking the law by being under the you know,
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Speaker 2: the other team's tent. However, is it curious? Is it
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Speaker 2: a head scratcher? It's a huh, what's that guy doing here?
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Speaker 2: Kind of situation? Yes, it often can be.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, and by the way, let's set
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Speaker 3: this up. It was apparently it was a downpour. It
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Speaker 3: was a track meet track and there was and there
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Speaker 3: was a tent for one of the track teams, right
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Speaker 3: that that Austin Metcalf. And look, I gotta do this
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Speaker 3: by race, because this has become a huge racial story,
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Speaker 3: so we might as well say it. Austin Metcalf is
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Speaker 3: the white kid who was who was stabbed to death.
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Speaker 3: Carmelo Anthony is the young black kid. The white kid
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Speaker 3: is in is under the tent with the other members
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Speaker 3: of the track team in their tent in the downpour,
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Speaker 3: there's the black kid Carmelo. Anthony's apparently taking refuge from
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Speaker 3: the rain, and he doesn't want to leave, all right.
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Speaker 2: Continue, So does he have a right to say I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna stay here. I'm sure I guess he does. Does
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Speaker 2: Austin Metcalf have a right to take issue with that
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Speaker 2: and say I think you want to leave? I think
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Speaker 2: he does. Was it Austin Metcalf who first made this
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Speaker 2: somewhat physical by saying, Hey, I gotta be really be
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Speaker 2: honest with you. I paid attention to so much in
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Speaker 2: this case. Was it really poorn at the exact time
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Speaker 2: of the stabbing? Let me get back to you. But
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Speaker 2: irrespective of that, for the moment, even if it was
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Speaker 2: Austin Metcalf who said, look, I'm going to bodily remove
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Speaker 2: you from this tent because this is our tent and
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Speaker 2: it's my view that you shouldn't be here. You can
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Speaker 2: say that he was coming in hot, that he was
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Speaker 2: being a jerk, whatever you want to say. The only question,
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Speaker 2: the only question, before this Jerry is faced with this
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Speaker 2: bodily removal, was it a sufficient threat to Carmelo Anthony's
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Speaker 2: life or serious prospect of horrific bodily injury that he
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Speaker 2: gets to stab Austin Metcalf in the heart. There's no
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Speaker 2: universe in which that's true. So it's possible for all
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Speaker 2: these dancing on the head of a pin things that
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Speaker 2: these defenders are desperately trying to do in order to
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Speaker 2: establish a basis for Anthony, for Carmelo to be there,
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Speaker 2: a basis even for him to wish to stay. All
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Speaker 2: that's a sideshow. Do you, when faced with your pending
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Speaker 2: bodily removal from the tent, do you get to take
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Speaker 2: out your knife and stab the person moving you in
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Speaker 2: the heart? No, you don't.
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Speaker 3: All of the eyewitness testimonies suggest that Carmelo Anthony was
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Speaker 3: very threatening, was very menacing. Touch me and see what happens.
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Speaker 3: He touch me, and touch me and see what happened?
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Speaker 3: Touch me, see what happens. And he had his hand
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Speaker 3: in his backpack, and evidently Austin Metcalf didn't anticipate that
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Speaker 3: he was holding a knife, and when they got into
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Speaker 3: their confrontation, Carmelo Anthony plunged the knife into Austin Metcalf's chest,
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Speaker 3: I mean, look, we're looking at it. Look it looks
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Speaker 3: to us like a slam dunk. But there's a lot
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Speaker 3: of anger and a lot of rage filled people who
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Speaker 3: are marching around outside that courthouse insisting that Carmelo Anthony
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Speaker 3: is somehow a victim. Now, how problematic is it going
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Speaker 3: to be that the jury is evidently comprised of all
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Speaker 3: white people?
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Speaker 2: No, they're not all white people. There are no blacks,
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Speaker 2: I think we have. I'm not sure what the other
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Speaker 2: races involved are, but.
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Speaker 3: There are Hispanics, Erasians maybe, yeah, All all right, so
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Speaker 3: all right, we'll let me rephrase the question. How bad
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Speaker 3: is it going to look if there's an outcome with
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Speaker 3: no blacks on the jury?
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Speaker 2: Well, that's nobody's favorite thing in some quarters. And in fact,
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Speaker 2: the Dallas Morning News shockingly has run a preemptive op
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Speaker 2: ed saying that the jury's validity, the jury's validity is
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Speaker 2: under attack, and which, of course, no, it's about or
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Speaker 2: it's come into question. No, it hasn't, except by people
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Speaker 2: who can pretty well see that this kids about to
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Speaker 2: be found guilty and they're already looking to find fault
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Speaker 2: with it. Racial makeup of the jury is six whites,
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Speaker 2: three Asians are Hispanic and somebody who is apparently middle
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Speaker 2: Eastern of some type.
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Speaker 3: Right, But the rallying cry is going to be there
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Speaker 3: are no blacks on the jury, correct.
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Speaker 2: But the defense and opportunities through the wire dear process
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Speaker 2: to do whatever it wants to do. No jury is
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Speaker 2: ever seated where one side is railing against the makeup
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Speaker 2: of the jury. This was something that was appropriately sufficiently
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Speaker 2: satisfying to both sides. So I don't want to hear
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Speaker 2: one flip and word about the racial makeup of a jury.
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Speaker 2: I don't hear one flip and word about what race
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Speaker 2: Carmelo Anthony or Austin Metcalf are. Race has nothing to
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Speaker 2: do with any angle of this except you know that
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Speaker 2: it will be you know, within hours when we get
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Speaker 2: a verdict difference. Well, it has the lot has everything
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Speaker 2: to do with everything. Now, I mean right now, I've
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Speaker 2: seen the video of the arguments in the parking lots,
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Speaker 2: and it's all about race, and Carmelo Anthony is being
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Speaker 2: lynched by the system.
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Speaker 3: And I'm going to tell you it's going to come by.
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Speaker 3: It's going to come back to bite to bite everybody
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Speaker 3: in the butt that there are no blacks on this jury.
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Speaker 3: I'm I'm considering the phrase, or the legal expression, or
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Speaker 3: the legal mantra, a jury of one's peers. So how
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Speaker 3: do you have a what that means?
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Speaker 2: I mean, well, I don't know that's what That's what
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Speaker 2: the Dallas Morning News op ed said. And I think
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Speaker 2: it's garbage of diversity and jury of your peers. I
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Speaker 2: don't view anybody's peer status as being white people.
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Speaker 3: I don't I.
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Speaker 2: Perceive peers as being citizens in my community. I don't
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Speaker 2: care what race anybody is.
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Speaker 3: So if there was a white kid on trial and
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Speaker 3: there were racial ramifications to a to a murder case,
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Speaker 3: and the white seventeen year old is on trial and
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Speaker 3: there was a jury of twelve black men and women,
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Speaker 3: you don't think that would come up as an issue.
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Speaker 3: You don't think people are going to say, wait a minute,
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Speaker 3: that's not a jury of this guy's peers. You don't
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Speaker 3: think race includes in the peer environment. I'm not sure
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Speaker 3: that's true, Mark.
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Speaker 2: I ideally I do not, but I also recognize that
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Speaker 2: we do not live in an ideal world.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: Also, Also, now here's the thing. It's not an all
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Speaker 2: white jury when they say six whites, three Asians, A
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Speaker 2: Hispanic and somebody who's Middle East. No blacks, but no
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Speaker 2: blacks O currying. I would like to think that, and
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Speaker 2: I have every reason to believe. Well, here comes a
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Speaker 2: really tough paragraph for the podcast world. So just everybody,
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Speaker 2: as you said earlier, keep the car on the road
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Speaker 2: or buckle up here because here we go. I would
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Speaker 2: have every hope and I have every reason to believe
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Speaker 2: that this jury with zero blacks on it can still
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Speaker 2: reach a fair, proper, just verdict. On the other side
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Speaker 2: of the coin, however, if you have an all black
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Speaker 2: jury in a case with a racial component, I would
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Speaker 2: like to think I would still like to think that
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Speaker 2: that all black jury could do the very same, and
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Speaker 2: I would have every x spectation that they would. However,
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Speaker 2: did we watch oj Have we do some massive movie
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Speaker 2: before massive President? Here? Do we see what's happening outside
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Speaker 2: the courthouse right now? There is something with and just
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Speaker 2: please accept this qualifier some black bulk where the evidence
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Speaker 2: thing just doesn't really matter so much. In Ojy's case,
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Speaker 2: we had a juror flat out say we let the
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Speaker 2: guilty black man go free because of past injustice. This
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Speaker 2: is a thing and look in Mississippi nineteen sixty two.
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Speaker 2: The all white jury would be real problematic because that
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Speaker 2: would be the because they got a thing with you know,
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Speaker 2: Lynchen black folks and letting guilty white people go free.
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Speaker 2: So totally, totally, totally, But right now, twenty twenty six,
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Speaker 2: I have every confidence that this that this this no
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Speaker 2: black people on it jury can do the right thing.
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Speaker 2: I'd like to think the all black jury could too,
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Speaker 2: but we have very fresh evidence that some black folks
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Speaker 2: just to evidence. What's that when there is a social
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Speaker 2: verdict to be delivered.
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Speaker 3: Well, the thing that you're referring to is something called
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Speaker 3: jury nullification. And jury nullification occurs when a jury finds
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Speaker 3: a defendant not guilty i eoj even though the jurors
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Speaker 3: believe the defendant violated the law, because the jurors think
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Speaker 3: a the law itself is unjust or be applying the
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Speaker 3: law in that particular case would produce an unjust result.
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Speaker 3: Now that says to me that jury nullification can be
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Speaker 3: also in reverse. If you've got a jury of not
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Speaker 3: a single black person and a young black man is
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Speaker 3: on trial for his life and Carmelo Anthony faces life
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Speaker 3: in prison, isn't it possible that jury nullification can work
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Speaker 3: in reverse that a white person or an Asian person
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Speaker 3: or a Hispanic person could say, we're going to throw
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Speaker 3: the book at the black kid, because after all, it's
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Speaker 3: a black and that's how we view black people, and
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Speaker 3: therefore he's guilty, even though we don't really think he's guilty.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know that's okay. Could there be a
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Speaker 2: work with way attitude? Yeah, yeah, but that's out of
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Speaker 2: against apples and apples. When the when the black drawer,
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Speaker 2: a hypothetical black jury says we're gonna let the guilty
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Speaker 2: black guy go free because of past injustice, that past
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Speaker 2: injustice did actually happen, it's no basis on which to
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Speaker 2: rest a current jury verdict. The best response to past
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Speaker 2: injustice is not future injustice or president injustice. It's current justice.
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Speaker 2: And that's a very unsatisfying to say. I know, we
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Speaker 2: love to have four hundred years of rotten verdicts to
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Speaker 2: somehow counterbalance slavery, whatever people want. That's just not the
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Speaker 2: way to run a country. It's not the way to
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Speaker 2: run a society. What you've just described is just somebody
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Speaker 2: who's a racist. Somebody sees black kid that guilty, that
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Speaker 2: would seem to have somewhat less.
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Speaker 3: But Mark, you can't slough this off. Go back to
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Speaker 3: the Oja trial that that jury null of the case,
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Speaker 3: and you re're right. We've seen black jurors who have
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Speaker 3: since been interviewed who pretty much have come clean and
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Speaker 3: admitted that they knew he did it, but they found
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Speaker 3: him not guilty. Well, you know why, because they felt
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Speaker 3: that the system is rigged against Black Americans. Jim Crow slavery. Well,
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Speaker 3: that's the way I see it. That's a form of racism.
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Speaker 3: That's bigotry. That's saying I'm going to find a guilty
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Speaker 3: man not guilty because I'm a racist against you know,
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Speaker 3: white society, because white society has oppressed black people for
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Speaker 3: too long, and we're going to fix that by finding
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Speaker 3: no Jay Simpson not guilty. That's racism, isn't it?
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Speaker 2: Short answer is no. If it's funny, I frequently say
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Speaker 2: that what I conduct is the words have meaning talk shows. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 2: which means we can which means we can drk out
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Speaker 2: on some semantic Sometimes a racist motive is holding someone
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Speaker 2: or a group of people in lower regard because of
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Speaker 2: race and nothing else. Yeah, you know, as Jesse Jackson
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Speaker 2: once said, if I got three black kids coming at
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Speaker 2: me on the other side of a street in Detroit,
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Speaker 2: and three white kids, I react a little differently. That's
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Speaker 2: not racism, it's behavioral. There's history, blah blah blah, and
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Speaker 2: that's a Jesse Jackson quote. So leave me alone. I
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Speaker 2: think what you've described is a sort of a kind
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Speaker 2: of a social justice warrior mindset without regard to what
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Speaker 2: because I think a black prosecutor white prosecutor are all
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Speaker 2: part of the system, the man, the past injustices, and
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Speaker 2: they are correct and identifying those past injustices from whatever
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Speaker 2: color somebody might have launched them. But where the error
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Speaker 2: comes is taking those past injustices and saying we're going
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Speaker 2: to go rogue and we're going to get a little
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Speaker 2: activist here and let guilty people go free. I don't
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Speaker 2: think I see a necessary racial motive, call it a
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Speaker 2: societal or a political motive to the jury nullification.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just have to respectfully disagree with the way
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Speaker 3: you've laid out how what racism really means. Do you
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Speaker 3: think do you think affirmative action is steeped in racism?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
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Speaker 3: Okay, well that's that's not putting somebody in.
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Speaker 2: The affirmative action punished white people.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's that's what that's what the O. J. Simpson
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Speaker 3: jury did. They punished white society for being white. And
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Speaker 3: they said, you know what, We're gonna let a guilty
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Speaker 3: man go free because white people have been oppressing blacks
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Speaker 3: for too many years in this country.
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Speaker 2: I I guess, I guess, But I don't think it
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Speaker 2: was the whiteness of society that that triggered them towards that.
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Speaker 2: It was the results that that society. I have a
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Speaker 2: feeling sort of in the modern era, don't you feel
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Speaker 2: that that race doesn't matter nearly as much as politics,
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Speaker 2: that black folks love Bill Clinton and have no use
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Speaker 2: for Clarence.
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Speaker 3: Tom Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you.
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Speaker 2: No, Look, I get your point.
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Speaker 3: It's a it's a tough one. And and and let's
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Speaker 3: for the benefit of people outside of North Texas who
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Speaker 3: are following this verdict and following this trial, and it's
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Speaker 3: become a huge but big national story. Uh, there's no
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Speaker 3: question about it. Lay out the geography of where the
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Speaker 3: trial is to taking place. I know that there's a
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Speaker 3: lot of rage filled protesters in the parking lot. Some
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Speaker 3: of them seem very very close to violence. If anybody
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Speaker 3: gets near them, they start threatening them and everything. I've
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Speaker 3: seen some horrific exchanges. So the big fear that I
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Speaker 3: think everybody has is if there's a guilty verdict and
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Speaker 3: this kid gets sentenced to life in prison, there's going
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Speaker 3: to be riots, There's going to be violence, There's going
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Speaker 3: to be there's going to be political unrest. What does
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Speaker 3: that look like, Mark, in terms of like where that
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Speaker 3: could occur, where that might occur. Can you give us
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Speaker 3: kind of a geographical you know lesson about about where
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Speaker 3: the trial is taking place.
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Speaker 2: I can, and I hope it's comforting. And what we
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Speaker 2: may have is you're in Florida or New York or
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Speaker 2: Japan or wherever your travels take you, and I think
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Speaker 2: that you're getting sort of the national coverage and this
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Speaker 2: is actually sort of had some impact around the world. Uh. First,
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Speaker 2: to answer your first question geographically, if you know that
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Speaker 2: Dallas and for Orth exist right there along I thirty
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Speaker 2: Frisco and where the school district was, and McKinney the
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Speaker 2: Colin County Courthouse are all in Colin County, sort of
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Speaker 2: to the northeast of Dallas. It's it's sort of diverse,
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Speaker 2: but pretty white and pretty affluent. So that's it. Geographically
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Speaker 2: and demographically got it. I'm gonna tell you that while
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Speaker 2: there there's like moths to a flame, you're gonna see
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Speaker 2: some coverage of the guy with a bullhorn calling somebody
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Speaker 2: a cracker, which happened, various other people rallying for quote
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Speaker 2: unquote justice for Carmelo. Really justice for Carmelo? What about
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Speaker 2: justice for Austin? How about justice for all of us?
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Speaker 2: I talked about that on today's show. Justice isn't for
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Speaker 2: any individual, it's for all of us, and hopefully we
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Speaker 2: can be satisfied that a proper verdict was found. But
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Speaker 2: here's my bottom line answer to I think the most
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Speaker 2: important part of your question. We're not gonna have any rioting.
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Speaker 2: If this is a guilty verdict, there'll be people who
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Speaker 2: aren't really happy about it. Colin County, don't riot. I
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Speaker 2: don't think this is going to happen. I think that
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Speaker 2: there has been and this is probably exactly what they wanted.
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Speaker 2: A magnetive attention, a ramped up level of attention to
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Speaker 2: the troublemakers. Yeah, this is not l a after Rodney Kings.
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Speaker 2: We Well, that's it, or be right about this. We're
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Speaker 2: not going to have rioting if we get a verdict
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Speaker 2: that that triggers the activist.
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Speaker 3: Or Minneapolis after George Floyd. The reason, obviously, the reason
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Speaker 3: it's an issue is that that those those riots are
19:30
Speaker 3: fresh in our memory. Uh, and it's you know, we've
19:33
Speaker 3: seen it happen. There has been precedent. I hope and
19:35
Speaker 3: pray you're right. Let me take a wild departure from
19:38
Speaker 3: seriousness and give you some news that'll make you smile,
19:41
Speaker 3: because that NASA just announced the names of the four
19:45
Speaker 3: astronauts who are going to be part of the Artemis
19:47
Speaker 3: three mission into a low Earth orbit. And what scares
19:53
Speaker 3: me is you're going to know their names. That's what
19:55
Speaker 3: terrifies me. The commander Rent, Commander re Randy Bresnik, Pilot
20:02
Speaker 3: Luca Parmentano, the missions mission specialists Andre Douglas and Frank
20:10
Speaker 3: Rubio will be the four astronauts heading back into space
20:14
Speaker 3: aboard the Orion spacecraft. How excited are you, Mark? How excited?
20:18
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely thrilled?
20:21
Speaker 3: You know? Do you know any of them?
20:23
Speaker 2: The the the the commander Randolph Bresnik is a veteran
20:28
Speaker 2: of some Shuttle missions and one of the Soya's missions.
20:31
Speaker 2: Because we didn't have American launch vehicles, so it was
20:34
Speaker 2: like being launched into space on a beat up nineteen
20:36
Speaker 2: sixty nine Dodge Tart. Luca Luca Parmitano is Italian as
20:42
Speaker 2: the name suggests, and he is a veteran of some
20:46
Speaker 2: space station missions, another expedition on the Soya's flight. So again,
20:53
Speaker 2: because I'm trying to see if to stay unlike there,
20:55
Speaker 2: my man, say, any rookies on here? Frank Francisco Rubio
21:01
Speaker 2: as a child, he lived in El Salvador. He was
21:04
Speaker 2: on a Soya's mission MS twenty three and February twenty
21:08
Speaker 2: twenty three. Let's see if we have Are there any
21:11
Speaker 2: in Andrea Douglass Andrea American Systems engineer, and here we
21:17
Speaker 2: have Nope. I believe that he would be your rookie.
21:21
Speaker 2: He would be your guy who has not been up
21:23
Speaker 2: there before, like a sole.
21:26
Speaker 3: Let me give everybody a backstory. If you're new to
21:28
Speaker 3: the podcast, let me give you the backstory. If you
21:31
Speaker 3: had to name one burning passion for Mark Davis, it
21:35
Speaker 3: would be space. It would be NASA, it would be
21:37
Speaker 3: you know, the last Frontier. If you had to give
21:41
Speaker 3: one big passion or name one big passion for me,
21:44
Speaker 3: it would be theater, the theater arts, the performing arts community,
21:48
Speaker 3: and you and I had an exchange this morning, and
21:51
Speaker 3: I got the nicest email that I had to share
21:53
Speaker 3: with you from a lady named Gail in actually outside
21:57
Speaker 3: of Los Angeles, but she was listening to the Eminemics
22:00
Speaker 3: experience this morning. She said, it is so charming to
22:03
Speaker 3: see the way you two guys, you dear friends, lift
22:06
Speaker 3: each other up over your various passions that frankly, none
22:10
Speaker 3: of us care for either one of them. None of
22:12
Speaker 3: us care about the space program, none of us care
22:14
Speaker 3: about theater, but you guys do. And what she was
22:17
Speaker 3: reacting to was me admitting that while I've always been
22:20
Speaker 3: sort of anti space program, and I've always kind of
22:23
Speaker 3: had this neanderthal view. Look, we've got problems here in
22:26
Speaker 3: America and on this planet. We don't need to be
22:28
Speaker 3: chasing stars. But because of my friendship with you over
22:31
Speaker 3: the years, I've really come to appreciate the whole process
22:36
Speaker 3: of exploring space and going to other universes in frontiers
22:42
Speaker 3: and all of that stuff. And you, on the same token,
22:47
Speaker 3: you are saying I'd love to go see Death of
22:49
Speaker 3: a Salesman too. In New York.
22:50
Speaker 2: Anti theater. But you have opened my appreciative eyes for
22:54
Speaker 2: all kinds of things that I might have kind of
22:56
Speaker 2: gone after, you know, in the past. It's like, you
22:58
Speaker 2: know what, let's see how this goes. And maybe one
23:00
Speaker 2: of the best examples was you were in town for
23:03
Speaker 2: a visit. This has to be three four years ago,
23:06
Speaker 2: and you know, we're at some point always talking about
23:09
Speaker 2: the latest five shows are that you've seen, usually the
23:11
Speaker 2: previous weekend, and you mentioned, Hey, here's something that you've
23:15
Speaker 2: got to see. I don't know if we had telegraphed
23:17
Speaker 2: that we were going to New York. I think we did.
23:19
Speaker 2: And you said, oh, there's something you've got to see.
23:21
Speaker 2: It's it's a nine to eleven musical. I said, I beg,
23:24
Speaker 2: I beg your pardon. It's a what And it is
23:28
Speaker 2: a little thing called Come from Away yep, And it
23:31
Speaker 2: is a nine to eleven musical. It is a musical
23:34
Speaker 2: surrounding the people of Gander, Newfoundland, who welcomed one of
23:38
Speaker 2: the interrupted flights that were coming in as the towers
23:40
Speaker 2: were hit. This is one of the untolder or not
23:43
Speaker 2: sufficiently told stories of hundreds of people reason they went
23:47
Speaker 2: to Gander, Newfoundland, which is in the middle of nowhere
23:49
Speaker 2: is there's a massive military grade runway that can accommodate
23:53
Speaker 2: large aircraft. So these Americans, these people from a number
23:56
Speaker 2: of countries in shock, in real time shock over eleven
24:00
Speaker 2: were dropped into this fishing village. And the bonds that
24:05
Speaker 2: were formed and the experience the shared grief turning into
24:11
Speaker 2: friendship turning into love is just one of the dog
24:13
Speaker 2: gone stories ever. Can you write some music around that?
24:17
Speaker 2: Apparently you can, And we'd like babies, and we loved
24:20
Speaker 2: it so much. Come from Away, which now has touring
24:23
Speaker 2: companies all over America, can't say enough about it. I
24:25
Speaker 2: owe that completely to you.
24:27
Speaker 3: Well, and I can look the podcast space. We can
24:30
Speaker 3: kind of let our hair, what little hair left we have,
24:34
Speaker 3: we can we can kind of become a little bit
24:36
Speaker 3: unplugged here and we can get a little a little
24:39
Speaker 3: more explicit or more personalile, I'll say, than we maybe
24:44
Speaker 3: do on our typical shows every day. Let me let
24:47
Speaker 3: me be cause I don't think i'd admit this on air.
24:50
Speaker 3: But this past weekend, not only did I appreciate Death
24:52
Speaker 3: of a Salesman starring Nathan Lane and Laurie Metcalf and
24:56
Speaker 3: a and an incredible ensemble. I'm telling the acting in
25:00
Speaker 3: this production. It's Arthur Miller's Death of a Salesman, which
25:04
Speaker 3: was written in nineteen forty nine. It was a brilliant
25:06
Speaker 3: play about the downtrodden traveling salesman Willie Lohman and his
25:11
Speaker 3: family falling apart in the arguments and the tough time
25:15
Speaker 3: he had with one of his sons. And I, look,
25:17
Speaker 3: I can relate to a lot of this stuff. So
25:19
Speaker 3: I love the play. I loved every bit of it.
25:21
Speaker 3: But I will also admit only on the podcast here
25:25
Speaker 3: we go, and I'm going to tell you that I
25:27
Speaker 3: saw you.
25:27
Speaker 2: Want to think? You want to think twice about this?
25:29
Speaker 3: Oh, I know, because I'm gonna get I'm gonna get crucified,
25:32
Speaker 3: and I'll get I'm gonna get killed, not only for going,
25:35
Speaker 3: but having loved it. Cats the Jellicle Ball, Now you
25:40
Speaker 3: know cats right, Well, you know fort Worth's owned, Buddy Buckley, Grizabella,
25:46
Speaker 3: Cats Memory, you know all the dancing cats and everything. Well,
25:50
Speaker 3: it was one of the first shows I saw as
25:52
Speaker 3: a kid. I remember years ago, my sister dragged me
25:55
Speaker 3: to it and I thought, oh, I'm gonna hate this.
25:57
Speaker 3: A bunch of dancing, singing Cats, and I have and
26:00
Speaker 3: to love it. I love the music, I love the score,
26:02
Speaker 3: I love the premise. Wee now you're rolling your eyes
26:06
Speaker 3: at the original Classic Cats.
26:08
Speaker 2: Right because I saw the original Classic Cats on the
26:11
Speaker 2: West End of London. I mean, how cool is this?
26:14
Speaker 2: And it seemed like a cool idea and in fact,
26:16
Speaker 2: it was so participatory that some of the cast members
26:20
Speaker 2: started climbing the rafters and working our way through the crowd.
26:23
Speaker 2: At one point I had the rum tum tugger's nuts
26:25
Speaker 2: in my face. That's how close to the action I was.
26:29
Speaker 2: And it's like, what And the music is great, you
26:31
Speaker 2: know Midnight and Jets then jel little do I get it?
26:37
Speaker 2: So yeah, so there's greatness there and by and listen
26:40
Speaker 2: you you only have the thing ran on Broadway for
26:42
Speaker 2: seventy four years or something, so you got a lot
26:45
Speaker 2: of company. But how is this new thing different?
26:48
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, wait a minute, But did you hate it? Did?
26:50
Speaker 3: What tell us about the way I thought?
26:52
Speaker 2: I thought it was ridiculous and I had no use.
26:56
Speaker 3: For it, no use for it. Most people don't remember
26:59
Speaker 3: how many years Dave Letterman made fun of the Dancing
27:01
Speaker 3: Cats on Broadway. That was a recurring bit, and you
27:04
Speaker 3: know when he put in that perspective.
27:06
Speaker 2: He's kind of right.
27:07
Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of stupid. It's it's a it's
27:09
Speaker 3: it's it's a book of poems by T. S. Eliott
27:13
Speaker 3: and they've just strung it together. There. There's kind of
27:15
Speaker 3: a story about the faded classic glamour cat.
27:21
Speaker 2: People love this thing. It wasn't my cup of tea.
27:23
Speaker 2: That's what it sucked.
27:28
Speaker 3: So I had friends say, you got to go see
27:32
Speaker 3: Jellico ball It's it's Cats reimagined. Boy, is it reimagine?
27:39
Speaker 3: Do you know anything about the ballroom genre?
27:44
Speaker 2: Short answers no.
27:46
Speaker 3: Okay, of course you don't, and I didn't either until
27:48
Speaker 3: I saw this show. Ballroom is a genre that's been
27:52
Speaker 3: around for a long time. It's like it's like a
27:55
Speaker 3: sub it's called it's called ballroom. It's drag. It's drag queens.
27:59
Speaker 3: It's drag queens performing and it's a culture. They have
28:03
Speaker 3: their own language and they have their own steps and
28:08
Speaker 3: dances and all. It's drag, but it's called ballroom. Now,
28:11
Speaker 3: I'm not probably doing it justice, but the ballroom genre
28:16
Speaker 3: is what is is what is utilized for this new
28:20
Speaker 3: production of Cats. So you have essentially a lot of
28:24
Speaker 3: drag queens up there. Look at the dancing around. I'm
28:29
Speaker 3: admitting this, and you know again, I'm gonna get crucified
28:32
Speaker 3: because I loved it.
28:34
Speaker 2: I will, and I will proving the depth of the friendship.
28:37
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to beat for you again in the
28:40
Speaker 2: following way. This takes me back to when drag could
28:45
Speaker 2: kind of be fun. It was, I mean, I mean
28:48
Speaker 2: Milton Burrow hell, hello comic characters throughout time when drags
28:55
Speaker 2: stopped being as recently as let's say, a decade ago.
28:59
Speaker 2: If you heard that there was some bar in the
29:04
Speaker 2: north side of Dallas that was doing like a drag
29:07
Speaker 2: brunch or something, It's mostly a bunch of drunk, straight
29:10
Speaker 2: people in there, going ah, the guy's wearing a dress
29:12
Speaker 2: more my ties And was there kind of a gay
29:15
Speaker 2: aspect to it?
29:16
Speaker 3: Sure?
29:16
Speaker 2: Whatever, But if there was nobody, it had the whole
29:20
Speaker 2: drag world had yet to be poisoned by people who
29:24
Speaker 2: actually believe gender is irrelevant and that men can actually
29:28
Speaker 2: be women. All of this stuff used to kind of
29:31
Speaker 2: be fun. And if this is a callback to that,
29:34
Speaker 2: then I'm prepared not to care.
29:37
Speaker 3: Well, And what I loved is they were really true
29:38
Speaker 3: to the score, so the orchestrations, the score was really
29:42
Speaker 3: very accurate, but it was just a whole different. I
29:46
Speaker 3: think I could be wrong. I think the character that
29:50
Speaker 3: was immortalized by Betty Buckley and Grizabella the glamour cret cat.
29:55
Speaker 3: Now I can't be entirely sure. I think that that
29:58
Speaker 3: is a man in this production, because there are men
30:03
Speaker 3: that are I know, I know, but it's true. You
30:06
Speaker 3: don't really know fully. I think it's I think it
30:09
Speaker 3: was a man. I guess these are both.
30:11
Speaker 2: These are bulky costumes, so there's no no necessary.
30:14
Speaker 3: Don't really know.
30:15
Speaker 2: And a singing is there a singing voice that we
30:18
Speaker 2: could kind of a voice.
30:21
Speaker 3: Couldn't tell if there was an Adams Apple, but I
30:23
Speaker 3: think it was there. I don't know. By the way,
30:26
Speaker 3: here's somebody texting. I love use the text line during
30:29
Speaker 3: the podcast, and there's certainly the live show here on
30:31
Speaker 3: YouTube and our YouTube channel because Lee and Saint Peter
30:34
Speaker 3: just wrote Artemis four the musical when Mike and Mark's
30:39
Speaker 3: passions conus thankfu if you want to text us during this,
30:46
Speaker 3: If you want to text us, eight hundred and sixty
30:48
Speaker 3: five five six four five three is our text line.
30:51
Speaker 3: We could take a look at some of your comments.
30:52
Speaker 3: We appreciate the live comments on the YouTube channel. All right,
30:55
Speaker 3: let's get serious for just a moment before we get
30:57
Speaker 3: out of here. And we've we've been going. It's been
30:59
Speaker 3: been a fun Tuesday. Will know tomorrow whether the Nazi
31:02
Speaker 3: loving Totin COMFF sporting serial abuser Graham Platner is gonna win.
31:09
Speaker 3: We'll know about South Carolina, We'll know about Nevada. We
31:12
Speaker 3: got to talk about Graham Platner because I'm telling you, Mark,
31:15
Speaker 3: I'm I'm ripping. My My head is on exploding over
31:21
Speaker 3: watching Democrats, as we said earlier, defend abuse physical abuse
31:26
Speaker 3: of women, but saying we believe all women and saying
31:31
Speaker 3: that we've got to draw a line in the sand.
31:34
Speaker 3: The red line for us, say the Democrats, is violence
31:37
Speaker 3: towards women. And last week The New York Times wrote
31:39
Speaker 3: a scathing article chronicling what is alleged to be really
31:46
Speaker 3: serious accusations of physical assault. And let's not sugarcoat this,
31:51
Speaker 3: contrary to the way the liberal media has tried to
31:53
Speaker 3: characterize it. It's not dark behavior, it's not unsettling behavior.
31:57
Speaker 3: If you put your hands on a woman and you
32:00
Speaker 3: ruse her. That's physical assault. There's no way around that.
32:03
Speaker 3: There's no nuance to that. Now. I want you to
32:05
Speaker 3: hear and see Fox News Channel's Jackie Heinrich highlighting the
32:11
Speaker 3: hypocrisy of Democrats over this subject. She this past Sunday
32:15
Speaker 3: had the chance to interview the House Minority Leader Haakim Jeffries.
32:20
Speaker 3: It didn't go well for Leader Jeffries.
32:23
Speaker 4: But The New York Times interviewed three women who accused
32:26
Speaker 4: Platner of physical intimidation and abusive behavior, including ex girlfriend
32:30
Speaker 4: Lindsay Fifield.
32:31
Speaker 3: Quote.
32:32
Speaker 4: She said he regularly grabbed her by the shoulders, sometimes
32:35
Speaker 4: hard enough to leave marks, and on one occasion, yanked
32:37
Speaker 4: her out of a cab by her wrist after an
32:39
Speaker 4: argument when she wanted to stay in the car. During
32:42
Speaker 4: one argument, she recalled, he twisted her arm behind her back,
32:45
Speaker 4: shoved her into a bedroom and held the door closed
32:47
Speaker 4: from the other side so she couldn't get out, telling
32:49
Speaker 4: her to remain there until she was calm. Eventually, Miss
32:52
Speaker 4: Fifield said she fell asleep and left the next morning.
32:57
Speaker 4: That sounds like domestic abuse to me. Textbooks domestic abuse.
33:02
Speaker 5: What happened?
33:03
Speaker 4: To believe all women?
33:08
Speaker 5: I haven't followed these allegations closely. But what I have
33:11
Speaker 5: said is that violence against women in any way, shape
33:16
Speaker 5: or form is unacceptable. It's a red line and nobody
33:20
Speaker 5: should cross that, and any accuser who comes forward has
33:25
Speaker 5: to be treated with dignity and respect. I haven't talked
33:29
Speaker 5: to Rocanna about this particular race, and in fact, I
33:32
Speaker 5: haven't gotten involved in this particular race because we're focused
33:36
Speaker 5: on taking back control of the House of Representatives so
33:40
Speaker 5: we can lower the high cost of living, fix our
33:42
Speaker 5: broken healthcare system, and clean up the corruption that is
33:44
Speaker 5: out of control in Washington, DC.
33:46
Speaker 3: Right now, Mark, that is really really bad. Wow, I
33:52
Speaker 3: haven't followed the case. Sure you haven't, right, nobody knows
33:57
Speaker 3: about these allegations.
33:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's such an easy egg. There's such
34:01
Speaker 2: an easy, reasonable exit ramp. It's like, these charges are
34:04
Speaker 2: something that should be taken very seriously. I sitting here,
34:09
Speaker 2: Hakeem Jeffrey's him talking now that I have no idea
34:12
Speaker 2: whether mister Platter is guilty of these things. It'll be
34:16
Speaker 2: left to voters to indicate how much credibility they seek
34:20
Speaker 2: to offer. That's a lot of syllables, I know, but
34:24
Speaker 2: that's exactly the way to be reasonable about this, because
34:27
Speaker 2: I don't know if she's telling the truth about him.
34:30
Speaker 2: It certainly seems to his past behavior.
34:33
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna channel. But I'm gonna channel you because
34:35
Speaker 3: you were right when you when you said if they
34:38
Speaker 3: would tell the truth, they would say, sorry, we don't
34:41
Speaker 3: believe this, lady. We don't believe the women making these accusations.
34:44
Speaker 3: We think they're lying. But if we but but if
34:47
Speaker 3: they say that, well it's got to be one of
34:49
Speaker 3: the other marks.
34:50
Speaker 2: But you tried to pull this on me on the radio,
34:53
Speaker 2: and it's not going to work here either. And that
34:55
Speaker 2: is you're trying to make it binary that either believe
34:58
Speaker 2: all women, meaning we one percent investor in the truthfulness
35:01
Speaker 2: of what they're saying, or they are a pack of
35:04
Speaker 2: lying shrews. In the middle is the reasonable place to be,
35:07
Speaker 2: and that is to say, Okay, we hear the accusation.
35:11
Speaker 2: That's serious stuff. We have no idea whether it's true
35:15
Speaker 2: or not. We're not saying we accept it as truth
35:17
Speaker 2: as gospel, nor are we saying we wholly summarily reject
35:21
Speaker 2: it as a lie. Here's it is, it's on the table.
35:24
Speaker 2: He's a he said, it's the definition of it, he said,
35:27
Speaker 2: She said, I have no idea, The voters have no idea.
35:31
Speaker 2: You are left to make your own decision, and as
35:33
Speaker 2: to how much credibility you wish to affix. Sorry, the
35:36
Speaker 2: reason sorry.
35:37
Speaker 3: The reason it worked on the radio show, and the
35:40
Speaker 3: reason it works now, and the reason you're wrong and
35:42
Speaker 3: you are totally wrong on this is that you just
35:45
Speaker 3: contradicted the believe all women in mind.
35:48
Speaker 2: Why because believe all women is insane.
35:50
Speaker 3: Well, but that's but that's their position. That's their position.
35:54
Speaker 3: So you can't have it both ways. You're applying earth
35:57
Speaker 3: logic to how you exactly you would say. But they're saying,
36:01
Speaker 3: we got to believe all women. So the new and
36:03
Speaker 3: what more credible source does a liberal democrat need than
36:06
Speaker 3: the New York Times, And the New York Times presents
36:10
Speaker 3: a story that these women are claiming that this guy
36:13
Speaker 3: was a physical abuser of them, that he left bruises,
36:16
Speaker 3: that he assaulted them. So either you believe all women
36:20
Speaker 3: or you don't. Now you're saying, well, you can't really
36:22
Speaker 3: believe all women, but they say you must correct.
36:25
Speaker 2: They are the ones. You're channeling it through them, and
36:27
Speaker 2: that's the problem, exactly right, that's I'm not sure. Here's
36:30
Speaker 2: the weird thing. No, I understand. But here's the weird thing.
36:33
Speaker 2: It's not like the primary is why doesn't how long
36:36
Speaker 2: has this story been around? Why hasn't somebody arisen as
36:40
Speaker 2: a plausible alternative to Graham Platner in Maine? Is there?
36:44
Speaker 2: I know Maine has thirty seven people in it, but
36:46
Speaker 2: is there nobody? Because primary hadn't happened yet. Once it's done,
36:51
Speaker 2: it's done. That's why everybody fussing and moaning about Ken Paxson.
36:54
Speaker 2: I got no room for that in Texas. You had
36:56
Speaker 2: your chance as it is. If you're going to sit
36:58
Speaker 2: there and nitpick about his personal stuff, hey, what kind
37:01
Speaker 2: of state do you want? What kind of senate do
37:02
Speaker 2: you want? This thing is over, Maine's not over yet,
37:05
Speaker 2: it will be by tonight. I wish the good people
37:08
Speaker 2: of Maine had an alternative to this guy. I guess
37:11
Speaker 2: they do. Are those alternatives badly funded? Are they bad candidates?
37:14
Speaker 2: That's what you have to be to have Flattener be
37:16
Speaker 2: your only option.
37:17
Speaker 3: But what a great point. We don't know anything about
37:19
Speaker 3: any of the other people except Graham Plattner and Susan Collins.
37:22
Speaker 3: That's all we know, and evidently that's because that's how
37:25
Speaker 3: it's gonna unfold. He's gonna win. Uh, she's well know
37:28
Speaker 3: tomorrow but she's maybe but but she's that's gonna be
37:32
Speaker 3: the showdown. But you are so right, and Mark, make
37:35
Speaker 3: no mistake. This is a bad guy. You look at
37:38
Speaker 3: you look at his social media posts, the things he
37:41
Speaker 3: has said, the things he has done. He's really a
37:45
Speaker 3: bad guy. And I love how they try to take
37:47
Speaker 3: a bad guy and say, oh, here's an oyster farmer.
37:52
Speaker 2: An oyster farmer sounds like some kind of terrible slang.
37:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which, by the way, by the way, can
37:58
Speaker 3: we end with some pop culture reference on oyster farms.
38:02
Speaker 2: Before you go to the oyster Yes, David, Hey, people
38:05
Speaker 2: of Maine, David Costello, what's the matter with this guy?
38:10
Speaker 3: Nobody?
38:10
Speaker 2: There's one guy who is a rite in, and there's
38:13
Speaker 2: somebody else who There's a woman who unofficially Withdrew Nobody
38:18
Speaker 2: Costello nobody knows as an alternative who apparently has not
38:22
Speaker 2: abused any women. So hey, go with him and part
38:25
Speaker 2: me for bogging down good and.
38:27
Speaker 3: Maybe doesn't have a Nazi death camp. Can just maybe
38:32
Speaker 3: just exam maybe, I mean the bar isn't too high
38:34
Speaker 3: there in Maine. You know, we're just trying to can
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Speaker 3: we get somebody who doesn't love Nazis? The oyster farmer
38:40
Speaker 3: reference made me think of my latest TV show obsession.
38:44
Speaker 3: Have you gotten wind of Widow's Bay yet?
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Speaker 2: One hundred percent?
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Speaker 3: Boy? Do I love it? Are you having fun with it?
38:51
Speaker 2: Okay? It's Matthew Reese, the wonderful Welsh actor who nobody
38:55
Speaker 2: knows is Welsh because he's just so good at being
38:57
Speaker 2: and who is he? What did he do before the Americans?
39:00
Speaker 2: To do the Americans with his partner and they're not married,
39:03
Speaker 2: his partner girlfriend whatever. His U is the great Carrie Russell.
39:07
Speaker 2: And they were the they were the Russian agents so
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Speaker 2: efficiently embedded into nineteen eighties America. They the orders were
39:16
Speaker 2: so strict. You can't even speak Russian to each other
39:19
Speaker 2: on your own time in your house. That's how real,
39:22
Speaker 2: that's how committed to the bit you've got to be.
39:25
Speaker 2: And in a weird way, you were almost rooting for
39:27
Speaker 2: them not to get caught. It was very strange. But
39:30
Speaker 2: and he's been great, and so he was in Brothers
39:32
Speaker 2: and Sisters. He's just a fantastic, fantastic actor, the Great
39:36
Speaker 2: Stephen Root is in this. He is the reluctant mayor
39:40
Speaker 2: of a charming Nantucket, kind of like TMU Nantucket, a
39:46
Speaker 2: poor man's Nantucket. Yeah, and and and yet all kinds
39:50
Speaker 2: of weird supernatural things are happening. So the short answer is, yes,
39:54
Speaker 2: I started out, I may not, I may not be
39:57
Speaker 2: They if they wrap this, have we had a final episode?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no. In fact, tomorrow night is going
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Speaker 3: to be the next episode is going to drop. Yep.
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Speaker 2: Okay, there have been a couple of that, but there
40:05
Speaker 2: was one. No spoilers, they've had a couple of Sometimes
40:08
Speaker 2: a show will do a kind of a departure episode
40:10
Speaker 2: where they'll just say, okay, we're going to stop and
40:12
Speaker 2: do something weird for an hour. And here it is
40:15
Speaker 2: the one Lady's very weird party where everybody seemed to
40:17
Speaker 2: be hallucinating. But the one that I just finished was
40:19
Speaker 2: the one that kind of goes back to seventeen oh
40:21
Speaker 2: something or sixteen oh something, the history of island, the
40:24
Speaker 2: history of the island. I was pretty captivated by that,
40:26
Speaker 2: So I am on board. It's a it's a pretty
40:29
Speaker 2: interesting product. Widow's Bay. I will give it thumbs up
40:32
Speaker 2: at it.
40:32
Speaker 3: It's fun. I think it's two thumbs up because it's
40:35
Speaker 3: it's got it. It's fun because it's got some humor.
40:38
Speaker 3: It's kind of borrows all the genres. I mean, the
40:41
Speaker 3: episode I just watched the other night, it was like, literally,
40:43
Speaker 3: what's his name? The guy from Friday the thirteenth, you know, Jason,
40:48
Speaker 3: Jason Pop pops up with a mask on and all that. Yeah,
40:51
Speaker 3: he's chasing the girl around town and all that. But
40:53
Speaker 3: it's a lot of fun. And I just finished the
40:56
Speaker 3: three part documentary which is Riven about Michael Jackson.
41:02
Speaker 2: Oh the verdict of verdict, Wow, I almost don't want
41:06
Speaker 2: to ask you. And you and I both saw Michael
41:09
Speaker 2: the movie about him, which is very very Michael friendly yep,
41:12
Speaker 2: because it's about his entertainment ascendancy, and that's an incredibly
41:16
Speaker 2: positive and it's an amazing story. That's what resonates with me.
41:20
Speaker 2: And I also, I mean, I also am a person
41:26
Speaker 2: who says I don't want to believe the bad stuff.
41:28
Speaker 2: Not not for reasons like it's because I like his
41:31
Speaker 2: musical catalogs, It's because I just don't think so. He
41:34
Speaker 2: doesn't present as a pedophile pedophiles tend to be old,
41:38
Speaker 2: creepy dowe. He just he presents as a deeply weird,
41:44
Speaker 2: stunted young man or whatever. He's my age, that went
41:48
Speaker 2: through life with such strangeness that he was trying to
41:51
Speaker 2: constantly live or relive the childhood he never had. I
41:55
Speaker 2: always found some of the charges to be a little
41:57
Speaker 2: odd and a little contrived. But I now give the
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Speaker 2: floor to you because I've heard at least a couple
42:02
Speaker 2: of people say they've seen the documentary and the words
42:05
Speaker 2: guilty as hell come to mind.
42:07
Speaker 3: Well not yeah, I wouldn't necessarily say that, because it
42:11
Speaker 3: kind of presents both sides. The trial involved obviously a
42:16
Speaker 3: young boy and his family, and the family was ultimately
42:20
Speaker 3: portrayed as a family of grifters, a mother that had
42:25
Speaker 3: sued J. C. Pennies for some things and claimed that
42:29
Speaker 3: she was harassed. And I mean, it's it's kind of ambiguous.
42:34
Speaker 3: You don't walk away. Look, we know we know one
42:37
Speaker 3: or two things happened. He was either, like you said,
42:40
Speaker 3: a strange, odd duck who liked the company of children
42:45
Speaker 3: but never harmed the kids. He was just weird, and
42:48
Speaker 3: he admitted sharing his bed with little boys a lot
42:52
Speaker 3: and he did the Martin Basher documentary came out in
42:55
Speaker 3: the trial, or he was a stone cold pedophile. It's
43:00
Speaker 3: a fascinating three part series on net.
43:02
Speaker 2: But it strikes you as even It strikes you as
43:03
Speaker 2: even handed. It strikes you as one of those things
43:05
Speaker 2: that sort of leaves the conclusions to the viewer.
43:08
Speaker 3: I couldn't. I didn't walk away say oh, I know
43:10
Speaker 3: he was guilty, or I know that he is interested.
43:13
Speaker 2: You know what that proves. I think that proves a
43:15
Speaker 2: part of human nature. We see what we wish to see.
43:17
Speaker 2: Maybe the opinion I heard from somebody says guilty guilty
43:21
Speaker 2: is someone who's just always thought he was guilty. Guilty.
43:23
Speaker 3: Now, well, I'm like you, I don't want to believe it.
43:25
Speaker 3: I just don't want to believe.
43:27
Speaker 2: And it's not even that I don't want I mean
43:28
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I wouldn't want to believe that
43:30
Speaker 2: of anybody whose work I've respected so much, But I
43:33
Speaker 2: just actively don't believe it. I find big holes in
43:36
Speaker 2: credibility in the accusers. I'm way more aware of grifters
43:41
Speaker 2: and and opportunists than I am of a lot of
43:45
Speaker 2: a lot of other character types. So in our remaining
43:48
Speaker 2: so much so, if I told you, wait a minute,
43:49
Speaker 2: I got to challenge you on this. So you're gonna
43:51
Speaker 2: tell me by the first two hour episode of Eminem
43:54
Speaker 2: Extra because we're never done. Go ahead.
43:56
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, We're going to go on. And if I
43:58
Speaker 3: told you there's a forty five year old guy in
44:00
Speaker 3: the neighborhood who likes to invite little boys over and
44:03
Speaker 3: spend the night with them in his bed, You're gonna
44:06
Speaker 3: tell me all kinds of alarms aren't gonna go off
44:08
Speaker 3: in your head?
44:09
Speaker 2: Of course they will are. And I have and I
44:11
Speaker 2: have long conversations I want to have with any parent
44:13
Speaker 2: who let their kid do this. Thank you, But in
44:16
Speaker 2: this particular case, did he do it? I'm still gonna
44:19
Speaker 2: stay with it. I go I'm staying in the pop
44:21
Speaker 2: culture world. Here we are on Tuesday. Yeah, do you
44:25
Speaker 2: know what we're gonna have. I'm gonna tease something ahead
44:27
Speaker 2: for the Friday eminem Experience or the Extra. You're ready,
44:31
Speaker 2: I will have for you a review of because I'm
44:33
Speaker 2: seeing it Thursday night.
44:35
Speaker 3: Oh, Bilbur's closure Day, Closure Day. I can't wait to
44:40
Speaker 3: see it. He took some heat, you know, because I
44:42
Speaker 3: saw a Sunday Morning profile of him on CBS, and
44:45
Speaker 3: he said, well, the movie's gonna make you lose your
44:47
Speaker 3: faith in God. He didn't really say it like that.
44:49
Speaker 2: Well he did, And thank you for bringing that up,
44:51
Speaker 2: because that that chapped me a little bit, because I
44:54
Speaker 2: don't believe for one minute that we've been visited. If
44:58
Speaker 2: we have, it means there's some other societ God created
45:01
Speaker 2: probably way before us. Ye, it's talking about Artemis. It's
45:04
Speaker 2: taking us forever just to get beyond our own flipp
45:06
Speaker 2: and moon. You're telling me that some sentient creatures came
45:09
Speaker 2: across fifty trillion miles. I just don't think so. But
45:12
Speaker 2: it's more like I think the Spielberg context was, if
45:16
Speaker 2: this were to become known, it would really rattle everybody's
45:19
Speaker 2: thoughts about creation and blah blah blah, which it was,
45:21
Speaker 2: which it absolutely which.
45:23
Speaker 3: Well, here's my homework. My homework assignment will be Thursday afternoon.
45:27
Speaker 3: I'll try to get tickets and go see Disclosure Day.
45:31
Speaker 2: Don't tease me, Okay, listen, you might want to get
45:33
Speaker 2: your tickets now because I found a theater almost full.
45:36
Speaker 2: And I don't know about you, but I do not
45:37
Speaker 2: do a theater that does not does not have recliners,
45:40
Speaker 2: and does not bring.
45:40
Speaker 3: Me through creature comfort. Mark, you got that.
45:45
Speaker 2: Right, So all right, right, So I a lot of
45:47
Speaker 2: other things, and I'm saving every single one them for tomorrow,
45:49
Speaker 2: because you know what, tomorrow we're back here doing this
45:51
Speaker 2: exact same thing, and I just love it.
45:53
Speaker 3: Happy Tuesday, We love you, have a great one, Take care,
45:55
Speaker 3: thank you,