Latest / What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie? / #286: The Ruins (2008)

Transcript

#286: The Ruins (2008) · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

• 0:06
  Hello. What's your least favorite scary
• 0:08
  movie? Welcome to watching at least
• 0:13
  Seven Scary Movie, The podcast where we talk about the good,
• 0:15
  the bad, the ugly and the absurd, and all of our favorite.
• 0:18
  And least favorite scary videos? Because we believe every horror
• 0:20
  movie rightfully has its fan base.
• 0:22
  Even if we don't always get. It my name is Travis.
• 0:24
  My name is Jesse and we're talking about the ruins today.
• 0:27
  Y'all Before that, do we have an announcement?
• 0:34
  We have our Patreon episode. Yes, budget to your patrons or
• 0:37
  folks that choose to purchase a single bonus episode.
• 0:41
  May do so on the Patreon. Link is at the very bottom of
• 0:44
  our show notes. We did a commentary track to
• 0:46
  Return of the Living Dead. Yeah, for the day.
• 0:49
  It was the return of the Living Dead day on July 3rd.
• 0:52
  So we did that. Yeah.
• 0:53
  And we did that at the exact same time that the movie starts
• 0:55
  too. Yeah, it's kind of cool.
• 0:57
  It was really fun. We had a good time with it.
• 0:59
  We always have a good time with that maybe though.
• 1:00
  So go ahead, go check that out if it interests you.
• 1:04
  Do we have poll results? We do.
• 1:06
  All right. Last week we talked about Texas
• 1:09
  Chainsaw Massacre, the 2003 remake and.
• 1:14
  Perfect chainsaw sound. I thought that that was somebody
• 1:17
  outside using a chainsaw. So I mean, it's an easy poll
• 1:22
  this week. We just did.
• 1:24
  Does the remake hold up for you? Has a remake.
• 1:27
  OK. And 71% of people say yes and
• 1:31
  29% say no. OK, so it does have a taters out
• 1:34
  there, but I do see a lot of support for that online and it's
• 1:39
  it seems to be true for people on our feet at least.
• 1:43
  OK, I I agree. I think that, I mean, obviously
• 1:45
  I've, I raved about that movie in our episode about I love that
• 1:49
  movie. I have some problems with it
• 1:51
  which I discussed that I think if I had to go on the binary gun
• 1:56
  my head choose yes or no, I'd probably choose yes.
• 1:58
  Yeah, I mean, I think objectively it's a good way to
• 2:01
  do a remake. Yeah, I, I think it did.
• 2:03
  I think it did OK. I think it missed some of the
• 2:05
  spirit of the original. Yeah, a little bit, but yeah,
• 2:09
  All right. Are we ready to talk about the
• 2:11
  ruins? Yeah, let's do it.
• 2:12
  I'm excited. For this, OK, so The Ruins
• 2:15
  premiered April 4th 2008. We actually, you know, just on a
• 2:20
  lark went to Half Price Books. I know, shocking from us.
• 2:23
  We found it on DVD so this is our first time watching the
• 2:26
  unrated version. Yeah, I didn't really expect
• 2:29
  much from that. Yes, so if you have the option
• 2:31
  between the R rated theatrical release or the unrated, go for
• 2:35
  the unrated because it adds some stuff.
• 2:38
  Yeah, like a lot. Like it was weird.
• 2:40
  We were both looking at each other like this happened.
• 2:42
  We. Never saw this support.
• 2:44
  Did the Did the lamplighter get a handjob?
• 2:46
  Yeah, don't remember this, did he?
• 2:47
  Just come, he did. But right now you could.
• 2:51
  If you don't own it, you can stream it on Shutter, AMC Plus,
• 2:55
  Sling TV Premium, Prime Premium, Final Premium, or YouTube TV
• 2:59
  Premium. I'm sorry, that's the that's The
• 3:00
  funny thing though. Like that's the thing that a lot
• 3:03
  of people hope for when you get unrated cut like somebody
• 3:05
  getting a hand job or something like that, like the sex stuff.
• 3:07
  And then this movie actually weirdly delivers on.
• 3:10
  It yeah, except like. It's not, it's not good though.
• 3:13
  It's not like, I mean, it's good, it's just it's not sexy.
• 3:16
  Yeah, I saw something online that described it as like an
• 3:19
  added sex scene, but an incredibly chaste sex scene
• 3:22
  because yeah, you see the hand, you see the motions, you see his
• 3:26
  face. Yeah.
• 3:27
  And then there's just also Amy in there with.
• 3:30
  Yeah, well then it cuts to Amy sitting outside like, man, this
• 3:34
  is, yeah, not cool. Weird.
• 3:37
  You can also rent it from YouTube, Google Play, Apple TV,
• 3:40
  or Fandango at home. Written by Scott Smith, who also
• 3:44
  wrote the book. Directed by Carter Smith.
• 3:47
  No relation music by Grim Revel. Special effects make up.
• 3:51
  The prosthetics supervisor was a person named Jason Baird, but we
• 3:54
  also got some special effects credit to Charmaine Connelly and
• 3:58
  Jake Garber. Starring Sean Ashmore as Eric,
• 4:02
  Jenna Malone as Amy, Jonathan Tucker as Jeff, Laura Ramsey as
• 4:06
  Stacy, and Joe Anderson as Matthias Travis.
• 4:10
  Time for a favorite game budget bug.
• 4:13
  Ted, I am going to say bug Ted. OK, even with all of those
• 4:22
  handmade leaves. It's a lot of leaves, yeah.
• 4:26
  And also like I thought about for a second too, because like.
• 4:28
  And all of those fake legs. And Siller was involved in the
• 4:32
  production too. I feel like he would throw some
• 4:33
  money as this type of shit. But no, I I think they still
• 4:36
  recognize that this is a horror movie and like, they did it
• 4:39
  because it's like a good return on investment.
• 4:43
  You are correct $8 million budget opening box office 8
• 4:46
  million Worldwide gross 22.8 million OK IMDb score as of now
• 4:51
  sits at 5.9 out of 10. Wow only 5.9?
• 4:54
  I know. I thought this was like a lot
• 4:56
  more loved by the people. I have some theories, OK, It's
• 5:01
  actually not really important to anything I'll discuss later.
• 5:04
  It's kind of important to what I'll discuss later, but I can
• 5:06
  point it out now. I think because the book was
• 5:09
  very well known and very well loved, and this came out so
• 5:13
  closely after the book, I think people were a little bit
• 5:16
  frustrated at the differences between the book and the movie.
• 5:19
  Well, I feel like if you have the person that wrote the book
• 5:22
  writing the movie, I feel like that person would know what to
• 5:26
  cut and what not to. I think that they're probably
• 5:29
  the best judge of that. Yes.
• 5:32
  And those are the thoughts that I'll get into in a tad.
• 5:35
  OK. Got you.
• 5:36
  OK, I pulled three other movies from 2008 and my theme is nature
• 5:42
  is gross and scary. Is that a theme of this time I
• 5:46
  guess? Guess so.
• 5:48
  So the first one is called the hive.
• 5:50
  What about nature? Do you think that's about bees?
• 5:53
  It is not. It's about ants.
• 5:54
  What I know. I had to make a special note of
• 5:57
  that because that shocked me. Do you ever call like a group of
• 6:01
  ants a hive? No, they're a colony.
• 6:03
  Yeah, OK, I thought that that sounded strange.
• 6:07
  It's very confusing. That premiered February 17th,
• 6:12
  2008. I don't have a budgetary gross
• 6:14
  for it, but it's got a 3.2 out of 10 on IMDb.
• 6:18
  OK. Second movie.
• 6:22
  What it's? Also about killer plants.
• 6:25
  OK. That happening.
• 6:29
  Oh yeah, that's a great one for this right here.
• 6:32
  Very, very similar. That premiered June 13th, 2008.
• 6:38
  Budget of 48 million cuz Shyamalan worldwide gross is
• 6:42
  163,000,000 cuz. Shyamalan.
• 6:46
  Yeah, and then as an IMDb score 5.0 out of 10.
• 6:50
  Wow, let's go to 5. Yeah.
• 6:52
  Wow, I'm surprised a little bit. Don't you mean what?
• 6:56
  No, and the third movie Anaconda 3 offspring.
• 7:05
  So is snake, is nature in that Mother Nature?
• 7:09
  Yes, OK. Do you know who is starring in
• 7:13
  this one? Three.
• 7:14
  Yeah, it's not an ice cube, is it?
• 7:17
  No. No, I have no idea.
• 7:22
  David Hasselhoff. What the fuck?
• 7:26
  That doesn't make it. I don't like that that I don't
• 7:32
  take that movie seriously, but then again, I probably
• 7:34
  shouldn't. Yeah, no, it's, it's Anaconda 3,
• 7:37
  so. Which is the first one?
• 7:39
  For the first time, it wasn't as bad as you made it out to be.
• 7:42
  It's. So boring.
• 7:43
  It's OK, It's boring it's OK. So Anaconda 3 released July
• 7:47
  26th, 2008. We're almost at its birthday.
• 7:51
  I don't have a budget or a gross for it, even with the Hoff
• 7:55
  associated. With it, yeah, it's not much.
• 7:57
  Yeah, I can guarantee you that. Do you want to guess the IMDb
• 8:00
  score? 2.5. 2.80.
• 8:05
  Yeah, OK. Wow.
• 8:07
  OK, I've got a tackling. OK.
• 8:12
  Taylor has evolved. That's lame.
• 8:17
  It there was another book that I read, I almost said ran that I
• 8:21
  read around this time and it was about a kind of like a reality
• 8:27
  TV show but with marine biologists and they were looking
• 8:32
  for some island in this island was so far away from everything
• 8:35
  else that it evolved separately and all of the species were like
• 8:39
  super killer like super evolved to immediately kill everything.
• 8:44
  And when I hear Terror has evolved, I think of that book
• 8:47
  instead of this one. That sounds way more fitting,
• 8:49
  yeah. What exactly evolved here?
• 8:51
  Is it just like the? Plans I guess.
• 8:53
  OK, Could have done way, way better than that.
• 8:57
  Yeah, that's just this. That's generic for this kind of.
• 8:59
  Movie, Yeah. So we're gonna have to.
• 9:01
  We've got our work cut out for us.
• 9:03
  We've got nothing that we're starting from with it.
• 9:05
  Yeah, OK. OK, Speaking of nature evolving
• 9:10
  in a way that it shouldn't, this film was shot in Queensland,
• 9:12
  Australia. Oh, OK.
• 9:15
  Yeah, cuz I mean, if you're going to film something about
• 9:17
  murder plants, why wouldn't it be?
• 9:20
  In Australia, well I thought it was going to be LA because I saw
• 9:23
  like you were watching the special features and I saw like
• 9:26
  in the background you could see like a cityscape back there.
• 9:29
  And I was like, OK, they probably just went on to the
• 9:31
  hills in LA or whatever. I mean, Australia has cities.
• 9:34
  Yeah, I know. But like, most movies are made
• 9:38
  in Hollywood. OK, Yeah.
• 9:40
  So this is actually picked up by Ben Stiller's production
• 9:43
  company, Red Hour Films. They bought the rights based on
• 9:46
  the book outline and this is before Scott B Smith had even
• 9:49
  finished writing the book. And they told him that they
• 9:52
  wanted to buy the rights for it and have him write the
• 9:55
  screenplay before he had even finished writing the book.
• 9:57
  So he was writing the last like third of the book with the fact
• 10:02
  in mind that he was going to be adapting it to a screenplay.
• 10:04
  How does that even happen? Like how do they catch wind of
• 10:06
  the story before the story is even released?
• 10:09
  So according to the special features I was watching, it
• 10:11
  looks like he sent them the outline.
• 10:13
  So he was like looking for this. I guess so.
• 10:15
  OK, yeah, cuz I think he, this wasn't his first screenplay.
• 10:19
  Yeah, not his first novel nor his first screenplay.
• 10:21
  So yeah, exactly. He's done all of these, yes.
• 10:27
  They also like to use fairly new directors.
• 10:30
  So they got Carter Smith involved because, you know,
• 10:34
  they're trying to think of who they want to have directed and
• 10:37
  what kind of tone they want to have for the movie.
• 10:38
  And somebody brought up this movie called Bug Crush by a
• 10:42
  first time director, and it was actually by Carter Smith and it
• 10:45
  had the tone that they really wanted.
• 10:47
  And they're like, all right, cool, let's bring him in for
• 10:48
  this. Cool, that's I like that they
• 10:51
  bring in fresh talent for that type of thing.
• 10:53
  Yeah, and I think he was actually a very good person to
• 10:55
  do this because he is also a photographer.
• 10:57
  He really loves natural light. And that's so much of what this
• 11:00
  movie is, because they wanted to shoot it on location.
• 11:03
  They didn't want to build it in a set or a studio because they
• 11:08
  wanted to be able to work with the natural light.
• 11:10
  They wanted the actors to really feel the elements of things.
• 11:12
  They wanted that single location for that sense of isolation.
• 11:15
  And I think all of that also ties in really well to how the
• 11:18
  special effects are done because those are mostly practical.
• 11:21
  And it really got the actors, like, freaked out seeing and
• 11:23
  feeling stuff. That's cool.
• 11:25
  Yeah. So a lot of a lot of the
• 11:27
  production of this film, like watching these extras, this
• 11:30
  behind the scenes stuff gave me a new love and appreciation for
• 11:33
  this movie. When they put that kind of care
• 11:35
  into it. Yeah, so they Speaking of
• 11:38
  putting in that kind of care, they designed this these vines
• 11:42
  based off of elements of real life plants.
• 11:44
  So there are plants that are carnivorous and will follow like
• 11:48
  the scent of blood. There are plants that will do
• 11:50
  like mimicking to like trick its prey.
• 11:54
  That's so weird. There are plants that will like,
• 11:59
  you know, deposit and pick up on skin and clothing.
• 12:02
  So they were really trying to pull from real life elements and
• 12:05
  their thought process was their vine.
• 12:07
  Like once they get to the ruins, this vine is in every single
• 12:10
  shot of the movie for the rest of the movie.
• 12:12
  So they wanted it to be something that was like based on
• 12:16
  reality. And they were even thinking
• 12:17
  about things like how does this plant photosynthesize and feed?
• 12:21
  Like what kind of conditions does it need?
• 12:23
  And if you watch it like as it's going, you'll see that the more
• 12:27
  like blood it consumes, we see more of those red flowers.
• 12:30
  Wow. I never.
• 12:31
  Yeah. Wow, that's amazing.
• 12:33
  Yeah, and they actually, they had 12 people in a little
• 12:36
  workshop just building these vines by hand.
• 12:40
  And they had to do so many tests first to try and get the leaves
• 12:43
  just right. So what they did was they base
• 12:45
  the leaves and the vines themselves.
• 12:47
  Their look that is off of pumpkin vines because they're
• 12:51
  like nobody's afraid of a pumpkin vine, Like, and they
• 12:54
  want the characters to not have a reason to question like just
• 12:57
  walking into like this pile of vines on these Bruins.
• 13:01
  And they're like, who's afraid of a pumpkin vine?
• 13:03
  We all go to like pumpkin patches every year.
• 13:04
  Like that's no big deal except when they were making them and
• 13:08
  then they did a camera test, the texture made it look too
• 13:13
  reptilian and it wasn't picking up right on camera.
• 13:16
  So they ended up having to keep adjusting the thickness of it
• 13:19
  and the texture of it until it looked right on camera.
• 13:22
  Which I could totally relate to doing my own cosplays and
• 13:25
  special effects. Something I will look from
• 13:29
  screen onto whatever I'm working on in front of me and I'm like,
• 13:32
  this is perfect and exactly how it looks.
• 13:34
  But then when I'm like taking photos of it as a finished
• 13:36
  product, I'm like, well, this isn't translating well at all.
• 13:40
  That's tough, man. Especially, I can only imagine
• 13:43
  how difficult it was to make all of those two.
• 13:45
  Yeah. And it really effects with your
• 13:46
  head when you're like, this isn't what this thing actually
• 13:48
  looks like, but this is going to look best on camera.
• 13:51
  Like, it's it's just really kind of insane to think about.
• 13:54
  And I even had to think about like, so like if you look at
• 13:56
  like leaves on a tree, when sun shines through it, it almost has
• 13:59
  a glow from within. So they had to get that same
• 14:01
  effect on these leaves. So these vines are all
• 14:05
  practical. The only stuff that's CGI D is
• 14:08
  when they are moving. So like when we see it, like,
• 14:10
  you know, the little, it's like wrapping around them.
• 14:13
  Yeah, when it's wrapping around them, when they're like ringing
• 14:16
  the cell phone or talking, things like that.
• 14:19
  And to get the actors to react just right, like they would
• 14:21
  sometimes like sneak up behind them, like poke them with a
• 14:24
  stick. So that way they jump.
• 14:26
  That's good. Yeah.
• 14:27
  So I think that was, that was all like really, really cool.
• 14:30
  They also I had a lot of work with the special effects.
• 14:34
  There are so many fake legs that are involved in this.
• 14:38
  They are gnarly looking man, they did a great job.
• 14:40
  And Carter Smith gave the give the special effects team a real
• 14:45
  challenge because he wanted to be able to cut Amy's leg, then
• 14:49
  roll her over and cut her back in that scene where they're
• 14:51
  pulling the vines out. He wanted to be able to do that
• 14:53
  all in a single shot and now have cuts taken away.
• 14:55
  And Jason Baird was like, that's not how we normally do it.
• 14:59
  So they had a challenge to try and figure out how to do it.
• 15:01
  And basically they had a fake leg propped up and they had her
• 15:05
  sitting in such a way that they could, you know, cut into the
• 15:07
  fake leg, pull out the vine and then roll her over.
• 15:09
  And she had like a back, like strapped to her that would
• 15:14
  release blood when it was cut and would have a vine inside
• 15:17
  that they could pull out. So they had her like position in
• 15:20
  such a way that they could do all of that without having to
• 15:22
  cut away. Wow.
• 15:23
  Some nifty camera work too, probably helps.
• 15:25
  Yeah, so I just, there was so much that went into this that I
• 15:29
  just, it really fascinating to watch all of love it.
• 15:33
  Also, like another fun little thing is that it was freezing
• 15:38
  cold, which is not fun for the actors, but to make them look
• 15:42
  sweaty, they would spray them with olive oil.
• 15:44
  What the fuck? So that's what they were using.
• 15:46
  Yeah. They're using olive oil to make
• 15:48
  them look sweaty. And they actually use oil in a
• 15:50
  different kind of way too. When they did the amputation on
• 15:53
  Matias, they sprayed the silicone legs with frying oil.
• 15:58
  And they actually had the pan was red hot, So when they
• 16:00
  pressed it up against the stump, it made that sizzling sound and
• 16:03
  burned the prosthetic so it would.
• 16:05
  Look. That's awesome.
• 16:06
  Yeah. Holy.
• 16:07
  Shit man, they did a great job with all.
• 16:08
  This stuff and then so another challenge about shooting on
• 16:15
  location was even though you know, you would think like
• 16:18
  Australia Light all the time, it's not because of where they
• 16:22
  were shooting. There is a mountain, so the sun
• 16:24
  would be behind the mountain by about 2:33 in the afternoon.
• 16:28
  So they would have to sit through night shoots like early
• 16:30
  in the afternoon just because of the way the lighting was.
• 16:32
  That sucks. And it also meant that they had
• 16:34
  to start their day shoots really early in the day.
• 16:36
  Oh man, yeah, that's one of the things you got to look for when
• 16:40
  you do scouting right there. And then also the entire cast
• 16:44
  and crew were very familiar with the book.
• 16:46
  So the movie was announced shortly after the book came out.
• 16:48
  So there was a lot of hype about it.
• 16:50
  And Carter Smith was actually on vacation.
• 16:52
  He said he had the book. He was about 30 pages and he was
• 16:55
  like, this is my vacation book. I'm very excited about it.
• 16:58
  He gets a call from Red Hour Films and they want him as the
• 17:01
  director and he's like, I'm reading it.
• 17:03
  That's. Crazy.
• 17:04
  And then the whole crew, the whole cast, they all read the
• 17:07
  book because there are differences.
• 17:08
  There are quite a few differences between the book and
• 17:10
  the movie, especially in what character actions are taken.
• 17:13
  So they were doing a lot of like, picking up on the
• 17:17
  characters from the books and also from one another and how
• 17:20
  they were having to reinterpret those kinds of things.
• 17:22
  And they were given a lot of room for like, improv and
• 17:25
  interpretation, and they could put their own input into really
• 17:28
  kind of like, adapt those characters the way they needed
• 17:31
  to. Wow.
• 17:33
  So this was definitely like a production of Labor and Love.
• 17:36
  Yeah, it sounds like it. Yeah.
• 17:38
  And they definitely had the right team for this because it
• 17:40
  sounds like they went with like the right attitude and effort.
• 17:42
  Yeah, he said that because they were trying not to sell it so
• 17:45
  much like a straight up horror film because none of them really
• 17:48
  thinks of it that way. They're like, yes, there are
• 17:50
  horror elements, but this is a survival movie, you know?
• 17:52
  And one of the things that they really talked about was like
• 17:55
  everything was every act of violence that happened was like
• 17:58
  actually out of an act of caring, it just going wrong.
• 18:02
  Yeah, I, I heard them talk about that.
• 18:04
  I overheard that part. And it almost felt like they
• 18:07
  were trying to like, not label it a horror movie.
• 18:10
  Like they were like afraid of that label for some reason,
• 18:12
  which I don't think that there's anything wrong with that.
• 18:14
  I mean, it, it is a horror movie.
• 18:15
  Like whether they wanted it to be or not.
• 18:18
  I mean, it ended up being one. And as a horror fan, I fully own
• 18:22
  this as the horror genre, but I get it from where they're coming
• 18:25
  from, where that's a production company that hasn't done horror
• 18:28
  before. Yeah.
• 18:29
  And they were having having trouble getting people involved
• 18:31
  because a lot of people here who are don't take it seriously.
• 18:34
  And Carter Smith was like, but we didn't want those people
• 18:36
  anyway. That's a great attitude.
• 18:38
  Yeah. So that's a lot of facts, a lot
• 18:42
  of fun that was. Really good stuff.
• 18:44
  And I'm ready to start talking about it.
• 18:46
  OK, cool, good, bad, ugly and absurd.
• 18:48
  Yeah, all. Righty All right, so the good
• 18:51
  for this. I like the characters in this
• 18:55
  right here. I think that we have a good
• 18:56
  group of, like, realistic people.
• 19:00
  I think that that really helps you connect with the characters.
• 19:03
  I like how they're all brought there together.
• 19:05
  Like you relate to that whole thing of like, I'm here because
• 19:08
  this is my girlfriend's friend or, you know, whatever.
• 19:11
  Like don't really care about this other guy, but we kind of
• 19:13
  have to be friends based off of the circumstances.
• 19:16
  And, you know, like, it's something you can relate to.
• 19:19
  Yeah. And it kind of adds some like
• 19:21
  depth to like the moments and everything, you know, Like it,
• 19:24
  it puts like if you think about their relationship, you kind of
• 19:27
  like analyze their behaviors and actions a little bit differently
• 19:31
  because they're not, you know, looking at this as like close
• 19:33
  friends or anything. Yeah.
• 19:34
  And I think it's especially interesting when you look at the
• 19:36
  relationship dynamics, like when you see, say, Amy and Eric and
• 19:41
  Stacy and Jeff, like they have a different kind of relationship
• 19:44
  to one another than Jeff and Eric have to each other.
• 19:47
  Because like you, I mean, you can imagine that you're around
• 19:52
  your partner's best friend a lot more than your partner's best
• 19:55
  friend's partner. And I think that's really
• 19:57
  interesting the way they we showed that.
• 19:59
  Yeah, Another thing I, I mean, I, I like the threat in this
• 20:03
  movie, like the vines are really, really creepy.
• 20:06
  And I like that the build up works for this.
• 20:09
  Like, you don't really learn that until like halfway through
• 20:12
  the movie, but you don't really need to because like the way
• 20:15
  that it starts, like they go there and then they're suddenly
• 20:18
  like surrounded by these group of locals that have a completely
• 20:21
  different language. Yeah, they're they're Mayan.
• 20:23
  Yeah, they don't even speak, like, Spanish.
• 20:25
  So like, there's no getting through to them.
• 20:27
  And you're just being held captive there on these ruins.
• 20:31
  And you can see, like, people have had this happen to them
• 20:35
  before. There's like, tents set up at
• 20:36
  the top. And then you can hear your phone
• 20:38
  ringing and, like, there's like, bodies and shit, you know, like,
• 20:41
  it's really good. And then, like when you do get
• 20:43
  that reveal of, like, the vines, especially when it's inside her
• 20:48
  skin and they, like, RIP it out and they just, like, tear it
• 20:51
  out. Oh, my God.
• 20:53
  Is it? It's just like, so visceral.
• 20:55
  It's effective. It hits that like something
• 20:58
  about it, like it kind of like hits your animalistic side.
• 21:03
  I don't know like how to describe that.
• 21:05
  For me, and this held up in the book and I think the unrated
• 21:08
  version did the build up to it a little bit better.
• 21:11
  It's when they find out that the vine is mimicking the phone
• 21:13
  ringing in the, in the R rated version, it's kind of a let
• 21:17
  down. Like we don't have the same kind
• 21:18
  of build up. But in this one, like they're
• 21:19
  really looking, they're searching, they find this dead
• 21:21
  archaeologist and then like they get really close.
• 21:24
  They see divine doing it and then it attacks them.
• 21:27
  And that's a lot more similar to how it is in the book.
• 21:29
  And that's like the moment where I'm like, oh God, this isn't
• 21:32
  just like a hungry plant. It's a mean plant.
• 21:35
  That was one of the things because like, I forgot about
• 21:38
  that part and I was just saying to myself, damn, like, fuck,
• 21:41
  what's his name? Heinrich, his brother.
• 21:44
  He's like, it's got a good battery life that phone has been
• 21:47
  going for. Days.
• 21:48
  And it has been trucking along. Can you imagine if it was me
• 21:52
  though? Yeah, you.
• 21:54
  Yours would. I would know right away if I'm
• 21:55
  still hearing that phone like something's wrong.
• 21:57
  Jesse's phone's gotta be dead by now.
• 22:02
  Yeah. And like, the final good thing I
• 22:03
  have to say is I love the attention to detail, especially
• 22:06
  with, like, their clothing as the movie goes on because, like,
• 22:09
  it starts off and they get, like, a little pieces of it on
• 22:11
  them. But by the end of the movie you
• 22:12
  can see like most of their quotes are just like Mossy.
• 22:16
  Yes, that was actually one of the good things that I wrote
• 22:19
  down was like that attention to detail and the set dressing and
• 22:21
  everything. It's not even just on their
• 22:22
  clothes, but like you'll notice when they're doing the the like
• 22:26
  mini surgery on Stacy, like their hands have the Moss on
• 22:30
  them. Too.
• 22:30
  Yeah, I didn't catch. That, yeah.
• 22:31
  And they don't really have a way to wash it off because they had
• 22:35
  that one rainstorm which was cut out.
• 22:38
  Yeah, that was the thing. Like, you wonder in this movie
• 22:40
  because they make water rationing such a big part at the
• 22:43
  very beginning, but then it's never discussed again.
• 22:46
  Yeah, they get rain and they get more water.
• 22:48
  So that's like a thing that happened.
• 22:50
  But yeah, that attention to detail, I think was really
• 22:53
  great. And then, like we said, talking
• 22:55
  about how they were able to adapt the relationship.
• 22:57
  So here's the thing. And this was something that I
• 23:00
  had to learn and grow with as a person who enjoys books and
• 23:05
  movies, right, is that if you're going to adapt a book to a
• 23:10
  movie, you have to understand that you do not have the same
• 23:13
  length of time to tell the same story.
• 23:14
  Yeah, you've got like 2 hours, 3 hours Max, but that's pushing.
• 23:18
  That's pushing it. It has to be an incredible.
• 23:20
  That has to be an opus, you know what I mean?
• 23:23
  So I like one of the things that you have to do is sometimes you
• 23:26
  give a character action to a different character from the
• 23:29
  movie to the book or from the book to the movie.
• 23:32
  So we can In the book, it's the Greek that falls down.
• 23:36
  Dmitri, he falls down and breaks his back.
• 23:39
  He doesn't speak any English, so they don't know what's going on.
• 23:42
  When they amputate him, they don't have his consent and
• 23:45
  that's a lot more intense. But we've had this build up of
• 23:48
  those different relationships. We've already started to see
• 23:50
  Jeff kind of like rubbing people the wrong way a lot more than
• 23:53
  we've seen in the book. Like there's much more of a
• 23:56
  build up to Jeff being this person that seems almost
• 23:59
  sociopathic in this setting. Whereas if we did it in the
• 24:02
  movie, it goes from Jeff being a little bit bossy to all of a
• 24:05
  sudden just like chopping people's legs off, which is a
• 24:07
  huge jump. Whereas in this we do have
• 24:10
  Matthias, Matthias consent, but then he starts to say no because
• 24:14
  he is feeling it. But that doesn't stop Jeff.
• 24:18
  So we see that devolution, the evolution a little bit better.
• 24:21
  And that's those are the types of changes that you have to make
• 24:24
  in a movie to tell the same heart of the story without, you
• 24:28
  know, having 500 pages of scripts like you would have 500
• 24:32
  pages of a novel. I'm glad that you could make
• 24:36
  that connection because I mean, I can't speak to it, I've not
• 24:39
  read the book, but I did like that part of his character where
• 24:42
  like he's a Med student and he is like the most responsible of
• 24:46
  the group and he feels like he is the one that has to take
• 24:50
  charge. Yeah.
• 24:51
  And he's like making noise decisions.
• 24:53
  And some of them like feel like they have to trust him cuz he's
• 24:55
  like the only someone that can maybe know what he's talking
• 24:57
  about. Because I mean, he's, you know,
• 25:00
  like I get the impression that these people, like the friends
• 25:02
  there are all there like having good times.
• 25:05
  Like they're not taking like school quite as seriously.
• 25:07
  But he's like, he's in Med school.
• 25:09
  So I was like, Oh no, he might be.
• 25:11
  I got to, I got to take Eric's side on this.
• 25:13
  He got into Med school. He had not started yet.
• 25:17
  I exactly. And that's the thing, like, his
• 25:20
  character kind of becomes like a little smug and he's like a
• 25:23
  little entitled. And then he thinks that he's
• 25:25
  like, I don't know. He thinks that he knows best for
• 25:27
  everybody. And I think with Jonathan Tucker
• 25:30
  being our common thread, this is kind of what I was talking about
• 25:33
  last week with Texas Chainsaw was we had Jessica Biel as this
• 25:37
  morally superior character, and there was no levels to everybody
• 25:40
  else in the group. Yeah, we see those levels in
• 25:43
  this group and we see levels within Jeff as a character too.
• 25:47
  Yeah, except I I wouldn't really say any of the other three are
• 25:50
  responsible people. Like none of the other three in
• 25:52
  this situation are responsible, but I think that they have like
• 25:57
  better takes on things. They have a lot more emotional
• 26:00
  maturity. Yeah.
• 26:01
  Like Stacey, you know, like, recognizing that Amy's cheating
• 26:05
  is hell of fucked, but also being like, she's also really
• 26:09
  freaked out because she's been with Jeff for a million years
• 26:12
  and he's about to move across the country.
• 26:13
  Yeah. Like there's an element of
• 26:16
  emotional maturity there that I think is really great.
• 26:19
  So yeah, I just, I think, I mean.
• 26:22
  I wouldn't necessarily call like, you know, right, like
• 26:24
  recognizing cheating and be like, but it's OK because of
• 26:26
  this, it's like a mature. I don't think, no, I'd like, I'm
• 26:30
  not saying that like I think the hand waving it away is really
• 26:33
  great. I'm saying like I feel like it's
• 26:35
  written in a really human way and it's written as not like
• 26:37
  super black and white. Yeah, yeah, I get.
• 26:39
  It. Yeah.
• 26:40
  And I feel like it's also like a realistic situation for people
• 26:43
  that have been best friends for years, kind of like not want to
• 26:45
  see the shittiest side of their best friend, yeah.
• 26:48
  I can get that. And also, yeah, I agree.
• 26:51
  I like this villain. It's just it's this vine.
• 26:55
  We don't understand it. We don't.
• 26:56
  There's a lot of nature that we don't fucking understand.
• 26:59
  And as human beings, we tend to be really arrogant.
• 27:02
  And this is really fucking scary to me.
• 27:05
  And I think Travis will tell you, I don't like vines.
• 27:08
  To this day. I don't like plants that have
• 27:10
  vines. I don't like seeing them around.
• 27:11
  I don't like the vines that crawl up our house.
• 27:13
  I mean, we need to get rid of these.
• 27:15
  Yeah. But you know what I don't like
• 27:16
  on pumpkins? Vines.
• 27:17
  Yeah. OK so you're you disagree what
• 27:20
  they said before. You are terrified of the pumpkin
• 27:22
  vines. Yeah, I'm, well, it's all vines,
• 27:25
  really. OK.
• 27:26
  Yeah. So like, I just, I if nature can
• 27:28
  be a rope, that's just begging for trouble.
• 27:32
  So, yeah, I just, I think that this movie, like, really works
• 27:36
  for me. And I love the book.
• 27:40
  So if you're curious about the book, I would absolutely
• 27:42
  recommend it. I read it probably a dozen times
• 27:45
  when it came out. Oh wow.
• 27:46
  Yeah, alright, well, let's do some bad stuff.
• 27:50
  Let's do some bad. I really didn't have a lot of
• 27:53
  bad things to say about this movie, but there was one thing
• 27:55
  that I was curious. Like it was weird.
• 27:58
  Like the plant kind of picks and chooses like when it wants to be
• 28:03
  a threat just based on when the story needs it.
• 28:06
  It's inconsistent. It's a predator.
• 28:09
  It's a hunter. It is.
• 28:10
  What does it what does it have to hunt?
• 28:12
  The the prey is their trap. They it's not going anywhere.
• 28:15
  Like it's fucking with it. It's playing with its food, but
• 28:18
  like it's not at the same time like it's just it comes.
• 28:22
  Lacrosse is like incompetent, inconsistent.
• 28:25
  It's weird. Like just finish the fucking job
• 28:27
  plant. It's being a Rascal, it's a
• 28:29
  little scamp. It is playing with its food like
• 28:31
  you said. Have you ever seen a cat kill a
• 28:34
  mouse? Yeah, but I think cats are way
• 28:38
  different than plants. I mean.
• 28:40
  You're one of those arrogant humans that would be killed by
• 28:42
  the spine because you think you know we're.
• 28:44
  Surviving this fine. Realistically, nobody's going to
• 28:47
  survive this fine. The only way to survive is just
• 28:49
  not even encountering. You're Heinrich.
• 28:51
  You're gone before the rest of the group even gets there
• 28:53
  because you're like, oh, it's just plant.
• 28:55
  Well, my cell phone fucking rules.
• 28:57
  It's got the best battery life, so I can live with that trade
• 28:59
  off. I mean, I see, that's I, I
• 29:03
  figured you would probably say that, but I mean, you don't see
• 29:07
  like plants being like sentient or anything like that.
• 29:10
  Like they just like they don't have like a mind, like they just
• 29:13
  like act on impulse. That's what makes this scary.
• 29:16
  So like the impulse is like always kill in this case.
• 29:19
  So it's going to kill. You don't see like a fucking
• 29:21
  Venus flytrap just like yapping away over there or anything, you
• 29:24
  know, like it eats just like when something lands on it
• 29:25
  because that's just it's instinct.
• 29:27
  Yeah, but that's what makes these vines scary, is that they
• 29:30
  are mean. That was one of my good points
• 29:32
  that I brought up. They're not just, they're not
• 29:34
  just killer. They're mean.
• 29:36
  Would you, how would you feel if in Halloween there was no like,
• 29:40
  oh, I'm just going to chase Lori and I'm just going to pop that
• 29:43
  in the closet? Like what?
• 29:45
  Michael Myers is not a fucking plant.
• 29:47
  He's a God damn human being. Don't Loomis him.
• 29:51
  You're a you're being Sam Wilmas to him right now.
• 29:53
  You dehumanize that man. You became what you hated.
• 29:57
  I didn't demonize him though. That doesn't matter.
• 30:00
  I'm just. Saying like, look, it's just
• 30:02
  it's not a normal plant. You need to not think of it like
• 30:05
  that. You just, it's what it needs to
• 30:10
  be. That's my whole point.
• 30:12
  It it needs to be. If it needs to be a killer, it's
• 30:14
  going to be a killer. If it needs to be a little
• 30:15
  Rascal, it's going to be Rascal. That's it.
• 30:18
  It's a rascally killer. It's both.
• 30:22
  It's playing with its food. It's having fun.
• 30:24
  OK. It gets no enrichment otherwise.
• 30:26
  Travis. So it has to have the phone.
• 30:28
  Yeah. See, No, I had like a little
• 30:31
  thing in my head when you were talking about the whole little
• 30:35
  thing in my head, I thought. Those are little things.
• 30:40
  They're rarely big things for me.
• 30:42
  They're usually little things, but like the way that you
• 30:46
  described how I get evolved over time and then like the leaves or
• 30:50
  like the flowers became more red.
• 30:52
  I was like, OK, maybe it's like feeding.
• 30:54
  It starts weak and then it gets stronger the longer the humans
• 30:57
  are present. But like I it was pretty freshly
• 31:03
  fed when they arrived because of Heinrich and the archaeologist.
• 31:07
  So I don't think that that's the case.
• 31:10
  I could have given you that out, but they they didn't allow that
• 31:13
  to happen. OK.
• 31:15
  OK, so what's your bad then? My bad.
• 31:19
  Honestly I'm just going to say I I don't like some of the stuff
• 31:27
  that the rated version cuts out. Like it it takes away some of
• 31:32
  the tension from it. And I get 2008 readings for
• 31:35
  different than how we rate movies in 2025.
• 31:40
  But it did take away a lot of the tension from the book, you
• 31:44
  know, and even in this unrated version, there were a couple of
• 31:47
  scenes like we cut out the rain scene and we don't even like
• 31:49
  have a passing mention of it. So it's like you said, we like
• 31:51
  see like the water bottle being passed around and we're like
• 31:55
  they're taking decent sized gulps.
• 31:57
  Like how is there Stillwater? Yeah, I mean, it's not even
• 32:00
  really brought up again though after that one discussion,
• 32:02
  that's the last they mentioned it.
• 32:04
  Yeah. And we don't really get a whole
• 32:05
  lot. Yeah.
• 32:06
  And like, that's the thing too, is that you would expect, like
• 32:08
  with the heat and the direct sun exposure, you'd expect to be
• 32:11
  seeing a lot more effects of dehydration, a lot faster,
• 32:14
  Especially after Jeff had his whole spiel about like each of
• 32:16
  those new type of gallon of water per day.
• 32:19
  If we're sitting on our fat asses like you guys wanted to do
• 32:21
  at the resort. I just assume he said that part
• 32:23
  like off camera. You'd be.
• 32:24
  You'd see see Jeff like piss him directly in his mouth.
• 32:27
  Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.
• 32:30
  I'm surprised he didn't have people like collecting their pee
• 32:33
  to. Like, I know we got plenty of
• 32:34
  water guys, but let's still let's try and pee in each
• 32:36
  other's mouths. He's like really trying to like
• 32:39
  he's like, this is my moment. I can finally do this.
• 32:43
  What is your ugly? Let's see, just like the imagery
• 32:48
  of the vines inside of them. It's some of the most.
• 32:51
  Disturbing shit you'll see. Like seeing it squirm around
• 32:55
  under the skin and anytime they have to like cut open the skin
• 32:58
  and just like yank it out. It's so fucking disgusting.
• 33:03
  My ugly is it's the like, it's the group dynamics.
• 33:09
  And I feel like it's a real, it's realistic, the way
• 33:11
  everything kind of like combusts, but it's ugly to
• 33:15
  watch. And like you've got Jeff who
• 33:19
  will be like, all right, we've got no choice.
• 33:21
  We just have to cut this man's legs off.
• 33:23
  But also they're like, all right, we need to try and come
• 33:25
  up with an escape plan. He's like, no, absolutely not.
• 33:28
  We're not even going to entertain that idea.
• 33:29
  The Greeks will be here tomorrow.
• 33:31
  I liked his whole thing there. He's like, we're American,
• 33:34
  they'll be here. It's like, come on man, they
• 33:36
  don't give a fuck about you. Also, like, how do you know
• 33:40
  anybody's going to know where you went?
• 33:41
  Like, how are they going to know to ask these Greek gentlemen
• 33:45
  who? Does anybody know that you have
• 33:48
  a connection to them? You know what I mean?
• 33:49
  Like, yeah, well, how is this investigation going to work?
• 33:52
  Dmitri, what's their connection? Yeah, but like, how are they
• 33:56
  going to know to start with Dmitri?
• 33:58
  Yeah, I got you. Yeah.
• 34:01
  OK, well then absurd. Probably the most absurd thing
• 34:06
  is that weird hand drop scene for me.
• 34:11
  I just, I don't know why. Why was that the time for that,
• 34:18
  the time and place? I just, it was weird.
• 34:22
  I, I'm surprised it wasn't a deleted scene.
• 34:25
  They kept it in the unrated cut. Like I, I like it for the
• 34:27
  absurdity, but like, just like if I'm actually thinking about
• 34:31
  it, then I was just so bizarre. And one of the other things is
• 34:35
  like how little they protected this one thing that they do not
• 34:40
  want anybody to make contact with these people like have
• 34:45
  absolutely 0 protections. They put a fucking leaf on the
• 34:48
  trail and like, that'll deter. That'll do just fine right
• 34:52
  there. But like, you know, Americans
• 34:55
  and like a German dude and a Greek dude come walking over
• 34:58
  there and like, oh shit, now we just got to surround it.
• 35:01
  And you know, like, why not have like fucking fences or like, you
• 35:04
  know, like just do something, do something.
• 35:08
  Yeah, I, you know, if I saw a trail with like a branch in
• 35:11
  front of it, I'd be like, wow, rain.
• 35:13
  Nature. Yeah.
• 35:15
  Like something like a broken limb, something like that.
• 35:19
  My absurd, and this is one of my favorite things that I laugh my
• 35:24
  ass off every time I watch this movie, is they hear the ringing
• 35:29
  from within the dig site of the ruins.
• 35:32
  And Matthias goes, that's Heinrich's phone.
• 35:36
  And they're like, Are you sure? And he goes, yeah, that's his
• 35:39
  ringtone. I have the same one.
• 35:42
  That's the ringtone that came installed on the phone.
• 35:44
  Dum dum. Yeah, I like to imagine they
• 35:47
  picked it together. It's just like a.
• 35:50
  It's it's the most basic ringtone.
• 35:52
  Yeah. Anybody could have had that,
• 35:54
  especially in 2008. Yeah.
• 35:55
  Although that was the time when people were really getting big
• 35:58
  into Bluetooth and ringtones to each other.
• 36:00
  Oh man, I had personalized ringtones for everybody.
• 36:04
  Yeah, that was like the shit man on school buses.
• 36:07
  I can get it back there. Alright.
• 36:08
  What's your ringtone? Just like, send it to me Just
• 36:11
  back and forth. All right, All right.
• 36:14
  Well, I guess we should rate this thing.
• 36:16
  Yeah. Suppose we should.
• 36:18
  Yeah, I really like this movie and I'm just going to say yeah,
• 36:21
  the unrated cut, definitely the way to watch it.
• 36:23
  Surprisingly, if you can find a way to do that, I recommend it.
• 36:26
  Opt it for me. So I'm going to give it an 8
• 36:29
  1/2. I'm going to give it a nine.
• 36:30
  OK. So we've got a starting average
• 36:33
  of 8.75. Nice.
• 36:35
  All right. So we started off with a woman
• 36:37
  sitting inside of a ruin. She's crying, just calling for
• 36:41
  help. She's trying to use her phone
• 36:43
  that's not working of course, and then pulled Into Darkness.
• 36:49
  So fuck her. We're going to cut to a resort
• 36:54
  instead. And we're going to see Stacey
• 36:55
  beating Jeff and Jen and she says now we're going to play
• 36:58
  war. And he goes, war is not a real
• 37:00
  game. And then she goes, this is your
• 37:02
  rule, who the winner picks the next game.
• 37:04
  I get the feeling Jeff is not a lot of fun.
• 37:07
  He's the swirl wizard. Yeah.
• 37:08
  Like he didn't want to play the game.
• 37:09
  He didn't want to play by his own rules there.
• 37:11
  Yeah, I mean, war is like, it's mostly a game of chance, but
• 37:14
  it's also a game of like quick reactions, like you, just you.
• 37:17
  How's that? Yeah.
• 37:18
  How's that not a real game? Yeah, that doesn't make any
• 37:19
  sense. He because he wants to be able
• 37:21
  to use his intellect. No, he is outsmart everybody.
• 37:24
  Yeah, yeah, They're all just like, chilling, having a good
• 37:27
  time. They're on vacation at a resort
• 37:29
  in. Mexico, I think.
• 37:31
  Yeah, I don't know, but Amy lost one of her earrings.
• 37:36
  Which don't wear like hook earrings in a pool, that's just
• 37:42
  asking for trouble. But it's OK cuz Matthias found
• 37:45
  it. What was he looking for at the
• 37:47
  bottom of the pool? Nobody.
• 37:47
  Knows how did he know this hers was he just like walking around
• 37:50
  did he find this earring and just like doing the laps around
• 37:52
  the pool just. Like over here stole the earring
• 37:54
  and he was waiting to hear her freak out about it.
• 37:57
  Yeah, he's been stalking them this whole week.
• 38:00
  So yeah, they all introduce each other.
• 38:02
  Stacy and Amy are best friends. Jeff is dating Amy.
• 38:06
  Eric is dating Stacy. So they don't actually really
• 38:08
  know each other, but, you know, that's all good.
• 38:11
  Matthias was here with his brother.
• 38:13
  His brother disappeared off with some archaeologist who is going
• 38:15
  to. This ruin is off the map, so
• 38:18
  it's not like, super well known. And Jeff was like, oh, hey, I
• 38:21
  really wanted to go check out some ruins.
• 38:23
  We don't get to see these very often.
• 38:24
  He's like, well, I'm going to go look for Heinrich tomorrow.
• 38:26
  Do you want to come and they end up convincing the others to go
• 38:30
  along to? It's a special room.
• 38:31
  It's because it's off the map and it's one that, yeah,
• 38:34
  uncharted. So that makes it extra appealing
• 38:37
  for the group. Which means that none of these
• 38:38
  people has ever seen a horror movie.
• 38:40
  Yeah, I mean, that's the fucking makings of like it just don't do
• 38:43
  that. Shit situation.
• 38:44
  One thing for an archaeologist to go to an unmapped room,
• 38:47
  that's their job. This is kind of like the 47
• 38:51
  meters down uncaged situation right here, except above ground.
• 38:54
  It's kind of like The Descent. Yeah, this is like a combination
• 38:57
  of those two movies. Yeah, so except this is an
• 39:01
  ascent. Yeah, the ascent, Yeah.
• 39:05
  And then we also get a trio of Greek bubbies splashing around.
• 39:10
  They're gonna come too. But Matthias is not sure that
• 39:13
  they will be sober enough come morning.
• 39:14
  Yeah, so we cut to night time. They're all just kind of sitting
• 39:18
  at the beach. Yeah, it's a beach party.
• 39:21
  And Jeff is a buzzkill. He really is.
• 39:24
  Amy's wanting to dance and he's just like, I'm not feeling it.
• 39:27
  I'm gonna go to bed. But dance with your girlfriend.
• 39:30
  When she wants to dance with you, come.
• 39:32
  On, Come on. Like, even if somebody, I don't
• 39:34
  dance, but if you wanna dance, I'll dance with you.
• 39:37
  Yeah. You know, it's fine.
• 39:38
  It's fun. It's good stuff, but no, he's
• 39:41
  he's a fucking bus. Girl, especially because you
• 39:43
  know you're about to go away to Med school, like do you not want
• 39:45
  to have this as like a good vacation memory with her before
• 39:49
  you're gone and most likely going to break up?
• 39:50
  He's like that episode I don't see.
• 39:52
  I don't see them working in a long distance relationship.
• 39:54
  He's that episode of Seinfeld with Bob Odenkirk where he's
• 39:57
  like, that's the dream of a doctor, to break up with the
• 39:59
  person that you were with whenever you become a doctor.
• 40:02
  Exactly. That's Amy's that girl.
• 40:03
  Like as soon as he's going to be a doctor, he drops her.
• 40:06
  Yep. Except he's already doing it as
• 40:08
  soon as you got accepted in Med school.
• 40:09
  It's like I'm a doctor, technically.
• 40:10
  Yeah, he's like, I don't actually need to do the things
• 40:13
  you want to do. This is our one last hurrah.
• 40:15
  So I can say I did something for you before we break.
• 40:18
  Up. And Amy says, you know what, I'm
• 40:21
  going to get drunk and I'm going to kiss Matthias.
• 40:23
  Yep, Stacy goes and breaks him up because she doesn't want her
• 40:29
  friend to make more life choices.
• 40:31
  I think she's also embarrassed because she had more faith in
• 40:33
  her. And then Erica said me like, all
• 40:35
  right, so bet on if she kisses him or not.
• 40:38
  Yeah. So in the morning Jeff is that
• 40:42
  asshole who goes for an early morning run on vacation.
• 40:46
  Fuck that. Guy on the beach even which is
• 40:49
  higher resistance, it's a harder run.
• 40:51
  Like he didn't even go that that nice ass hotel definitely had a
• 40:55
  gym. I know, yeah.
• 40:57
  He wasn't even. He was too good for the
• 40:58
  treadmill. Fucking had like a like a lap,
• 41:00
  like a track in there, sure, yeah.
• 41:02
  He didn't even just like swim laps in the pool.
• 41:04
  No, he had to. How was how was he not going to
• 41:07
  see him do his exercises? Jeff is the worst.
• 41:11
  Yeah, he is. He bumps into Matthias.
• 41:13
  Matthias. Matthias.
• 41:15
  Yeah, and he's eating breakfast and he gets a map for the ruins
• 41:18
  and he's like, all right, I'll go rally the.
• 41:19
  Troops. Yeah.
• 41:20
  Dimitri is awake and sober. His buddies are not.
• 41:23
  So they're leaving a copy of the map for them to come follow and
• 41:26
  join them later. Yeah, Stacy is trying to get
• 41:29
  Eric to get ready. Amy is super hungover and trying
• 41:33
  to back out. She's like, I just want to stay
• 41:36
  here in the hotel. And at first, Jeff is like, come
• 41:41
  on, this is a once in a lifetime experience.
• 41:43
  Valid. And he goes, don't you want us
• 41:45
  something to take pictures of other than the beach in the
• 41:48
  pool? OK.
• 41:49
  The beach in the pool. The beach in the pool.
• 41:52
  OK, Now you're patronizing. Yeah.
• 41:54
  Yeah, he was. He was butthurt about them not
• 41:57
  wanting to do any adventuring and just like hang out at the
• 42:00
  beach in the pool which is that means when people do on
• 42:02
  vacation. When people do on vacation, look
• 42:03
  I get it. I would love to go see a ruin.
• 42:06
  Not one that's off the map, that seems sketchy.
• 42:09
  But like I would love to go see a ruin.
• 42:11
  But that's the type of person I am on vacation.
• 42:13
  I wouldn't vacation with somebody who is like, I want to
• 42:16
  stay in the resort and then go to a place where I want to visit
• 42:19
  nature. But no, if we if we're going to
• 42:21
  be a resort staying vacation couple, we're going to just go
• 42:25
  to a place where we're fine with staying at the resort.
• 42:27
  That's the point of going. To the resort, don't be.
• 42:29
  Don't be an asshole to your girlfriend because she's got
• 42:32
  different interests than you. You can say, hey, will you
• 42:34
  please experience this thing with me?
• 42:36
  It's important. But you did not dance with her
• 42:38
  last night, so does she really owe it to you?
• 42:43
  So anyways, they're all rallied, they're all ready to go and they
• 42:46
  make it on the bus. They arrive in this town and
• 42:50
  this is where they need to get a further ride to the ruins.
• 42:53
  About 8 kilometers to to the start of their hike, they're
• 43:00
  taking a taxi. That's a truck with a dog.
• 43:02
  That's a good sign. That's a good sign.
• 43:04
  And Stacey and Amy by hats. I like cowboy hats.
• 43:08
  I relate. What do you what do you buy a
• 43:09
  cowboy hat in Mexico? It's sombrero.
• 43:11
  I mean, that's the whole point, right?
• 43:14
  I mean, they're going hiking and I don't feel like a sombrero is
• 43:17
  like ideal for hiking in the woods.
• 43:19
  It protects you from the sun. That's all points.
• 43:22
  A wide brim like the cowboy hat like folds up on the side.
• 43:25
  OK, whatever. You thought about this a lot
• 43:27
  more than that did. Well, I relate to them buying
• 43:30
  the hats. So obviously I thought about
• 43:34
  this. They get there, they have to
• 43:35
  hike another 4 kilometers. Amy's upset nobody told her
• 43:40
  this. She's wearing flip flops.
• 43:42
  Yeah, she is blistered. Her feet are ruined.
• 43:47
  Yeah, she's fucked. The driver doesn't want to take
• 43:50
  them. Yeah, they have to bribe them,
• 43:52
  yeah. Yeah, he's like that place.
• 43:53
  No good. I will take you to this other
• 43:55
  room. Very popular tourist spot.
• 43:57
  And they're like, no. Yeah, so they arrive and they
• 44:01
  have done their hike and they make it to a certain point and
• 44:04
  they notice that there are these children that are just watching
• 44:07
  them off in the distance, which that's fucking creepy.
• 44:09
  What's even weirder is that instead of them going, wow, why
• 44:13
  are their children alone in the woods, they go, oh they must be
• 44:16
  locals. Can you guys help us?
• 44:17
  Yeah, and they just like, stare at.
• 44:20
  They're children. Yeah.
• 44:22
  And then they like look over and they're like, oh, here's a plant
• 44:24
  in the way of this trail. This means this is the way to
• 44:26
  go. Why there are plants in these
• 44:28
  woods? Yeah.
• 44:31
  And like they're like, OK, we must not go this way.
• 44:33
  There's a plant here. Maybe he's like, this is a sure
• 44:35
  sign of trouble and Jeff is like, no, which I hate to side
• 44:40
  with Jeff, but he was. Right with him.
• 44:41
  He was right in this part, right here.
• 44:43
  Yeah. So they move past the plant
• 44:46
  bravely, and they arrive at the ruins.
• 44:50
  And then this man on a horse arose.
• 44:53
  He is a Mayan leader. He is yelling at them.
• 44:57
  They are not speaking any of the same kind of language.
• 45:01
  Which OK, if it's me, if I live in a town or village or whatever
• 45:08
  nearby these ruins, I see it as my duty to make sure these vines
• 45:12
  don't spread. And I also know that there are
• 45:15
  tourists nearby who keep like trying to come to this area.
• 45:18
  Other than just being prepared to fucking murder people.
• 45:22
  Maybe I'm going to learn a couple of phrases like poisonous
• 45:25
  plants. Learned how to say that in
• 45:27
  multiple. Languages, I think the most
• 45:29
  effective thing to do is to just draw.
• 45:32
  Draw like the vines and like like a fucking X or like a death
• 45:35
  sign next to a, you know, like the skull and bones.
• 45:38
  Yeah, you know, I mean, that's universal.
• 45:40
  Right, but instead he comes out blasting.
• 45:42
  With a horse? Yeah, with a fucking gun.
• 45:44
  Just like. They choose.
• 45:47
  They're like, oh, we're being charged to see these ruins, That
• 45:50
  makes sense. Here's money.
• 45:52
  And then Dimitri gets killed. Yeah, cuz he touched the vine
• 45:55
  and he's over there and yeah, boom.
• 45:58
  Yep. Yeah.
• 45:59
  And in the midst of all of this, like he touches the Vine because
• 46:01
  he's trying to help Amy, who is taking photos of this argument
• 46:06
  so that way they can remember it later.
• 46:09
  Going in the scrapbook. As she backs up, she steps into
• 46:12
  the vines. That's when the guy, like,
• 46:13
  really freaks out. Dimitri is like, oh, he does not
• 46:16
  want you taking pictures. Give me your camera.
• 46:18
  And as he's like grabbing the camera, he touches the vines.
• 46:20
  And because he's coming too close to the Mayan man, he kills
• 46:24
  him. You know, and the entire time I
• 46:27
  was thinking to myself like, they really want these guys to
• 46:30
  not be there so they can run away, right?
• 46:32
  What I would do? Take clumps of the vines and
• 46:35
  just throw them at them. I think you you would have to
• 46:40
  realize what was happening early on because Amy does throw a vine
• 46:44
  at a small child later and he gets shot.
• 46:46
  But by that point we have so many people around.
• 46:49
  I think if they tried throwing vines at everybody, like they're
• 46:53
  outnumbered and the people are going to realize what's
• 46:54
  happening really fast and it's just going to.
• 46:56
  I'm fucking Hocking them up there from like the top.
• 46:59
  Like I'm like I'm shielding myself.
• 47:01
  Like snowballs? Dude, yeah.
• 47:03
  Like I it's, it's a strategy. I think that's an effective one.
• 47:07
  OK. And that's, I mean that is a
• 47:09
  strategy. Well, I started off.
• 47:10
  I was thinking like, all right, I'll throw bricks.
• 47:12
  I was like, no, go to the fines. That's the way to do it.
• 47:14
  Yeah, yeah. So they get to the top.
• 47:18
  Like they're basically forced to run to the top because they
• 47:20
  don't want to be murdered. They don't see anybody up there,
• 47:23
  but they do see like tents and supplies, so that's interesting.
• 47:26
  Nobody has signal. Matthias did because he had a
• 47:32
  universal phone, but the Mayan man took it.
• 47:35
  Yeah, I didn't see that exchange.
• 47:37
  Yeah, he was showing the picture of Heinrich to him, but I didn't
• 47:41
  see the phone get taken. Yeah, OK.
• 47:42
  Yeah. Unfortunately, Matthias does
• 47:45
  find Heinrich in this moment. This is one of those scenes that
• 47:48
  was cut out from the theatrical release, but he sees a foot and
• 47:53
  a watch in a pile of vines, and when he pulls back the vines,
• 47:56
  that's his brother and I. Can't believe they cut.
• 47:58
  That, yeah. And then because especially like
• 48:01
  we cut to him having his hands being washed by Jeff because
• 48:04
  they're blistering and they assume that it's like, oh, he's
• 48:07
  having a reaction to the plants or something.
• 48:09
  Yeah, that and that was weird. Maybe it was too graphic, but I
• 48:11
  don't remember that shot being very graphic.
• 48:13
  Yeah. They're not sure what to do.
• 48:17
  Like they're like, do we try and run?
• 48:19
  And just like, no, there's no possible way we can get past
• 48:21
  this single man on a horse that's afraid of this ruin.
• 48:26
  This guy probably went to the same school as Larry Gordon.
• 48:28
  A doctor. Trust me, I'm a doctor.
• 48:30
  We can't even run past these people.
• 48:31
  Yeah, my God, that Larry was would have for sure been Jeff's
• 48:37
  attending. Oh man.
• 48:40
  What a terrible team. Like, that sounds like the
• 48:44
  doctor duos that I had for a while there.
• 48:49
  They're like, OK, well, the Greeks are supposed to join us.
• 48:53
  And they're like, no, those guys, they don't even know,
• 48:55
  like, up from down. They're so drunk the whole time.
• 48:57
  And they're like, well, we're supposed to check out tomorrow.
• 49:00
  They're going to surely know what we're going.
• 49:02
  What? Like, what's happening?
• 49:03
  We're supposed to fly back to the States.
• 49:05
  They'll notice that we're missing.
• 49:06
  We're American. They Jeff is like, all right, no
• 49:10
  drinking water. And Aaron's like, dude, Stacey's
• 49:12
  thirsty. And he's like, we're all going
• 49:14
  to be thirsty soon. You're going to drink my pee.
• 49:17
  You're gonna like it. They hear a phone ringing though
• 49:22
  and it's down in the well, so thankfully they.
• 49:25
  Haven't. And they know it's Heinrich's
• 49:26
  phone because it's the same ringtone.
• 49:28
  Yeah, yeah. So Matthias, he offers to go
• 49:32
  down there to get the phone. Look, I get that they probably
• 49:36
  assumed this was safe because they probably assumed that the
• 49:39
  archaeologist that got there yesterday had just set this up.
• 49:43
  But still, I see something that's been sitting outside
• 49:46
  exposed to the elements rope like that.
• 49:48
  Like I you went on this whole journey with me.
• 49:52
  I had to go get a new thread because the thread that had been
• 49:54
  sitting on my sewing machine rotted from sun exposure.
• 49:58
  Like, why wouldn't you check some of the rope a little bit?
• 50:01
  Because it wasn't even that far. I know it wasn't.
• 50:03
  Even that far, but it was like super fucking frayed.
• 50:06
  Yeah, yeah, they, well, smart doctor man over here.
• 50:10
  Should have thought of that one. Didn't think of that one, didn't
• 50:12
  you? Doctor, not a physicist.
• 50:14
  Yeah. Well, so Matthias that moment
• 50:19
  too, like it's so well shot because you see that moment of
• 50:22
  him being almost suspended mid air before just like falling.
• 50:27
  Yep, Yep, snaps. Falls all the way to the bottom.
• 50:30
  Dude's fucked up. And then Jeff says Amy or Stacey
• 50:33
  needs to go check on him and he was like, why not you?
• 50:36
  You seem not afraid he goes because it takes a man to do
• 50:41
  that sort of thing. Like he's like, I run on the
• 50:44
  beach and I don't want to talk about Eric's physique because it
• 50:48
  makes me a little insecure. But obviously we're the ones
• 50:50
  that can turn the pulley, even though the whole point of the
• 50:53
  pulley is that it's a simple machine and it utilizes
• 50:55
  leverage. So you don't have to be super
• 50:57
  strong to be able to operate it. Yeah.
• 50:59
  But again, Jeff is a doctor, not a physicist.
• 51:01
  He's a. Doctor, he knows, OK?
• 51:03
  He's smart. Yes, and the rope is not long
• 51:07
  enough because the people doing this archaeological dig had just
• 51:12
  enough budget for exactly the right amount of rope to reach
• 51:15
  the bottom. Yeah, so she has to jump down
• 51:18
  and she falls and she lands on some glass.
• 51:22
  Well, it's the glass from her own Lantern that she was holding
• 51:25
  when she jumped, Yeah. That went out.
• 51:27
  It cuts her. They throw down some matches
• 51:30
  which luckily don't land super far away because what the fuck
• 51:32
  would they do otherwise? Yeah.
• 51:34
  And she sees Matthias and he's like, I can't feel my feet.
• 51:40
  And she's like, hey, guys, his back is broken, which they don't
• 51:43
  know that in the book. In the book because the Greek
• 51:45
  doesn't speak any English really.
• 51:48
  She like it's. I think Greek, though he's
• 51:50
  German. Yes, but it's not Matthias that
• 51:54
  goes down. Oh, right, right, right.
• 51:56
  OK, Yeah. So they're like having to do
• 51:58
  this whole like figuring it out, but the whole like he shit
• 52:00
  himself. That's still.
• 52:02
  He shit himself. Yeah, she says it's smell.
• 52:05
  She's like, he says he can't feel his feet and also it smells
• 52:08
  and they're like, like what? And she goes like shit.
• 52:11
  Wow, that's not good. Yeah, at least you know in the
• 52:14
  book like the Greek couldn't hear them like talking about.
• 52:17
  How he? Pooped himself.
• 52:18
  Matthias is just like, he's like, I'm not making any comment
• 52:21
  on this, like I need some dignity.
• 52:23
  Yeah, so this is the part where Amy's like, OK, I'm just going
• 52:28
  to go down there and reason with the people.
• 52:30
  And she goes down there and she tries to talk to them and she,
• 52:33
  like, realizes. No, that's not what happens.
• 52:37
  What happens is Jeff is like, all right, we got to make a
• 52:40
  backboard and pull them up. And Amy's like, absolutely not.
• 52:44
  We're not doing that. You can't move somebody with a
• 52:46
  broken back. And Jeff goes, listen, Amy, I'm
• 52:48
  a doctor. Yeah, and then then Amy's like,
• 52:51
  all right, I'm going to go reason with these Mayans down
• 52:54
  here. Surely they'll care that a man
• 52:57
  broke his back. I mean, they shot another man
• 52:59
  right in front of us. But, you know, broken backs is
• 53:02
  where they draw the line. It's not.
• 53:06
  And in fact, when they're mean to her, she gets frustrated and
• 53:11
  throws a clump of vines and it hits a small child who then gets
• 53:14
  shot right in front of them. It's bad.
• 53:18
  It's real bad. So they agreed to the backboard
• 53:21
  idea and it's really bad. So while she's waiting, Stacy
• 53:25
  kind of tries to find a ringing, but she can't see much and she's
• 53:28
  afraid to look around too much. Which legit?
• 53:31
  In this situation, go for it. Put your fear aside.
• 53:34
  Go get that phone. You need it.
• 53:35
  Her leg also really hurts. She had a huge piece of glass in
• 53:38
  her knee. All right, still.
• 53:43
  Amy comes down there with the backboard and they're like, all
• 53:46
  right, we've got to lift him because there's still not quite
• 53:49
  enough rope. God.
• 53:50
  Yeah, They tried to make like an extension thing.
• 53:53
  It was not enough. And then she's like, all right,
• 53:56
  so we need to move him and keep his back flat so that way we
• 53:59
  don't cause any further breaks and he immediately.
• 54:03
  Let's see, there's no way to do that.
• 54:05
  Like you have to have the stretcher there and just like,
• 54:07
  you know, slowly slide him over on top of it.
• 54:10
  But yeah. They can't do that here, so
• 54:11
  props to the sound department for this 'cause you just hear
• 54:15
  like. God, man, yeah, it's so fucked
• 54:18
  up, but they get him out of there.
• 54:22
  Jeff is he, he doesn't want to move him to a tent to give him
• 54:26
  shelter and coverage. She's like, no, he needs to stay
• 54:29
  right here. It's a we already did too much
• 54:32
  fucking damage by pulling him up.
• 54:33
  We're not going to, we're not going to move him to a tent, and
• 54:36
  most of all, we're not going to move a tent to him.
• 54:39
  No, no. Absolutely not.
• 54:42
  But we do need to keep his legs clean because if if it happens,
• 54:45
  that's how it'll happen. And there's like if what
• 54:47
  happens, he goes, if he dies, it'll be an infection.
• 54:51
  Trust me, Eric, I'm a doctor. So Jeff actually finds Dmitri's
• 54:57
  plane ticket and he's like, hey, he was supposed to go tomorrow
• 55:00
  morning so the Greeks will know for sure that he is not there
• 55:04
  and they'll get suspicious and then they'll come here.
• 55:06
  So we'll be saved. Yes, they also find keys to the
• 55:09
  Jeep that they saw at the beginning of their hike.
• 55:13
  And they're looking for aspirin, which I enjoyed this moment
• 55:16
  because Jeff was like, hey everybody, let's split up, see
• 55:18
  if we can find some aspirin. And they just kind of look at
• 55:20
  him like, how the fuck is aspirin going to help Matthias?
• 55:24
  And he's like, with the blood flow, OK, He's a doctor.
• 55:29
  He's a doctor. That does actually make a little
• 55:30
  bit of sense. So Amy is bandaging Stacy's leg
• 55:36
  inside the tent. And then they lay down and then
• 55:39
  Eric comes in and he lays down and Stacy hand fucks him while
• 55:43
  Amy's just right fucking there. She looks so sad about it too.
• 55:46
  She is so upset that that's like happening in front of me.
• 55:49
  Like, you're my friend, why would you do this?
• 55:50
  Same thing I I would be sad too. And that's why she's like Moody
• 55:54
  and laying outside of the tent. In the morning, Jeff finds
• 55:59
  another body and a vine pile. We don't know who this person
• 56:02
  is. Just just a guy, just somebody.
• 56:05
  Stacy wakes up and she sees the the vine has like curled up into
• 56:10
  onto her leg and into the cut in her leg.
• 56:14
  And that makes me more upset than I can properly articulate.
• 56:20
  Yeah, this is the one part. This scene right here is the one
• 56:23
  that gets me because like, it's just right there and Eric is
• 56:25
  just grabbing and just pulling more and more.
• 56:27
  Out. It just keeps coming out.
• 56:29
  And so I had knee surgery nine years ago, like 9 years and two
• 56:36
  weeks ago to be exact. And I had a nerve block that
• 56:41
  they do to help with like some of this because they do cut
• 56:44
  through multiple nerves in your leg.
• 56:46
  And when the little pouch runs out, you're supposed to pull the
• 56:50
  tube out. And I remember when the pouch
• 56:52
  ran out because my mom had come up to help afterwards and I was
• 56:57
  just like, looking at it. And I was like, I'm supposed to
• 56:59
  pull this out. And like, all I could think it
• 57:02
  was like this scene and like trying to pull this shit out of
• 57:05
  my leg. And I was like, do you want me
• 57:07
  to pull it out? I was like, please.
• 57:09
  I was like I can't handle the thought of doing this.
• 57:11
  Yeah, I don't think I could do that.
• 57:13
  Either I couldn't even watch her doing it.
• 57:14
  I would do that for you, but I don't know if I could do that to
• 57:16
  myself. Yeah, it's, it's absolutely.
• 57:18
  If it like if it had been you, I would be like, I will do this
• 57:21
  for you and I won't make disgusted sounds.
• 57:24
  I will tell you afterwards how gross it was.
• 57:26
  By the way, we're watching the Ruins after this.
• 57:31
  Yeah, all right, So if shit's getting bad.
• 57:34
  Yeah. And another problem is that, you
• 57:37
  know, as this is happening, is he just like, hey, Amy,
• 57:42
  something's wrong. I feel like something's wrong
• 57:44
  now. This should be the first hint
• 57:45
  that maybe he's not completely fair on his.
• 57:47
  Legs. Yeah.
• 57:47
  He's like, I feel something weird on my legs and they're
• 57:49
  like, OK, he's got weird shit on his legs.
• 57:51
  Clearly he has feeling down there.
• 57:54
  And he's like, will you please just pull the blanket back?
• 57:56
  And she pulls the blanket back and the the vines were vining.
• 58:01
  They had vining. Hard A.
• 58:03
  Good portion of his legs they were.
• 58:05
  Way more aggressive to him than they were to her, and his legs
• 58:08
  weren't even fucked up, he just broke his back.
• 58:11
  Yeah, it's, it's bad. They they all freak out and try
• 58:17
  and get like the vines and stuff.
• 58:20
  And then this is where they're also realizing that, like, their
• 58:22
  clothes are starting to like, grow.
• 58:24
  Yeah, yeah, it's it's really gross.
• 58:28
  They hear the ringing again and they're like, all right,
• 58:31
  Matthias is fucked anyway, so we're just going to go take care
• 58:33
  of this phone situation. They send Amy and Stacy down
• 58:37
  with torches and they have to go like they're like partner up,
• 58:42
  stick together, try not to let the vines eat you.
• 58:45
  They go into a cave that's all vine.
• 58:49
  When they get down there, that's where the ringing is.
• 58:51
  And as they're down there, they get really close to where they
• 58:56
  think they hear the ringing body of the archaeologist pops out on
• 58:59
  them. That freaks them out.
• 59:00
  And then they look over and they look into the flowers and they
• 59:03
  see the little lake. They're not antenna cuz they're
• 59:07
  not. They're flowers.
• 59:08
  Yeah, I know what? You're talking about yeah.
• 59:11
  And they're like rubbing up against each other and making
• 59:14
  the yeah. Then they attack and it's like a
• 59:19
  chase scene to get out of this. And I think this is extended too
• 59:22
  in this version cuz I don't remember this being nearly as
• 59:25
  like holy shit. Yeah, it's also weird like the
• 59:29
  the vines just like consume the flame.
• 59:30
  Do these not burn? They are plants.
• 59:33
  Would they not burn? They might like have a different
• 59:37
  burn point they might be able to smother.
• 59:39
  I don't know what they're like water content is.
• 59:43
  Yeah, whatever. Either way, I always.
• 59:45
  Think about it like if you had like a bunch of wet vines like
• 59:48
  from our little like woodsy area back behind our house, we
• 59:51
  probably wouldn't be able to start a fire with that.
• 59:54
  They wouldn't catch immediately anyway.
• 59:55
  I don't know enough to know. OK, I can't say it one way or
• 59:58
  another. You're not a doctor or a
• 1:00:00
  physicist, you're an accountant. That's right, and I'm willing to
• 1:00:03
  admit that I like the shot of them.
• 1:00:06
  When they're being pulled up though, and you can see the
• 1:00:09
  vines just kind of like lunging at them from the well.
• 1:00:13
  Well, anyways, they make it up to the top.
• 1:00:16
  Yeah, and they're, they're really freaked out and they're
• 1:00:18
  not saying what happened at first.
• 1:00:19
  They're just like, we need to get the fuck out of here.
• 1:00:22
  Yeah. So this is the part where
• 1:00:25
  Matthias is getting like, really bad.
• 1:00:27
  So Jeff is like, all right, we're totally cutting his legs
• 1:00:31
  off because he has made it very clear that he cannot feel
• 1:00:33
  anything down there. He has no knowledge of his legs
• 1:00:36
  existing. Any Yeah, they're all like,
• 1:00:38
  really, really horrified at this.
• 1:00:39
  Like, they're like, you absolutely cannot do that
• 1:00:41
  because it's OK. I'm a doctor and Eric's like you
• 1:00:44
  are going to start medical school in a couple of months.
• 1:00:47
  There's a big difference. I love it when he calls him out
• 1:00:49
  because he's like dude. Like, like nobody in the
• 1:00:51
  audience. You're not a doctor.
• 1:00:53
  Yeah. But then they're like, OK, fine,
• 1:00:55
  let's take it to a vote and then.
• 1:00:57
  Stacy's like, I vote to do it, and Eric's like, what the fuck?
• 1:01:01
  And she goes, he's a doctor. And Eric's like, we just talked
• 1:01:04
  about it. And then Matias is like, hey, I
• 1:01:08
  feel like I should get the most important vote.
• 1:01:10
  And I say do it. Yeah.
• 1:01:12
  And so their plan is that they're going to break the bones
• 1:01:17
  and then cut through the nerve that's still there.
• 1:01:20
  And then they're going to cauterize it because when the
• 1:01:23
  vines had, like, attacked him, they they put a tourniquet up
• 1:01:26
  anyway. So like, they don't have to
• 1:01:28
  tourniquet. They just need to make sure that
• 1:01:29
  he doesn't have continued blood loss.
• 1:01:32
  So Jeff starts breaking the bones.
• 1:01:37
  And it is very clear that Matthias is feeling it.
• 1:01:42
  And, you know, he goes through. He does the first leg, cuts it
• 1:01:45
  off, cauterizes it. Matthias is saying, no, no, no,
• 1:01:48
  no, please, no more. And Jeff is like, all right, on
• 1:01:52
  to the second one. And Erica's like, dude, what the
• 1:01:55
  fuck? And he goes, he's just freaked
• 1:01:56
  out because he didn't see it. And these are not the screams of
• 1:01:59
  a person that's like freaked out watching something.
• 1:02:01
  These are the screams of somebody going ow that hurts.
• 1:02:05
  So there is a thing though, the phantom limb situation I think
• 1:02:10
  could apply here. Like you were so used to seeing
• 1:02:13
  that. And like I've seen like people
• 1:02:15
  do experiments of that before, like where like here's your arm
• 1:02:17
  on this side, it's safe. Here's like a fake arm here.
• 1:02:20
  It looks like it's your arm, but like I'm going to hit with this
• 1:02:22
  hammer and you're going to think that you're feeling that pain,
• 1:02:24
  but you actually are not feeling anything.
• 1:02:26
  But I think there's a big difference in how you'd react
• 1:02:28
  from that versus like actually feeling it.
• 1:02:31
  Yeah, probably. Like it wouldn't like you would
• 1:02:34
  realize like after some time that it's not real, I would
• 1:02:37
  think. I don't know.
• 1:02:38
  I've never experienced it. So I like there is like truth to
• 1:02:42
  what he's saying. At least, yeah.
• 1:02:45
  But I think it's also very likely that although he had a
• 1:02:48
  bad back break, it didn't necessarily mean he was
• 1:02:52
  paralyzed. Yeah, no.
• 1:02:53
  And I, I think that that is the case here.
• 1:02:55
  I think that he actually is feeling that stuff and it's
• 1:02:58
  fucked up also. It's way more fucked up in the
• 1:03:02
  unrated part of this. Like you see a lot more of this
• 1:03:05
  play out and it is gnarly. They did a great job on that
• 1:03:08
  fake. They did.
• 1:03:08
  And like they were showing like close up of the prosthetics and
• 1:03:11
  the behind the scenes and there's like pieces of gravel
• 1:03:13
  just like embedded in it. And the, yeah, the Jason Baird,
• 1:03:19
  he was like, and honestly, like the dirtier these got, the
• 1:03:22
  better they looked like. He was so excited about it.
• 1:03:25
  They and yeah, great job on those.
• 1:03:28
  So later that night, Amy is really worried about Stacey
• 1:03:31
  because she is not acting well. She keeps saying that she thinks
• 1:03:34
  there's a vine inside of her, like some of it was left.
• 1:03:36
  And they keep trying to tell her it's fine.
• 1:03:38
  And, you know, Eric's like, I'm worried about her too, but we've
• 1:03:41
  got to find a way out of here. And Amy's like, all right,
• 1:03:44
  great. We need to find a way out of
• 1:03:45
  here. So it's kind of like they're
• 1:03:46
  forming a little alliance. Like, all right, we got to
• 1:03:48
  figure out how to take down Doctor Jeff and also keep Stacey
• 1:03:53
  calm enough to go along with us. But the vines, rascals that they
• 1:03:56
  are, start mimicking their voices and distorting it to make
• 1:04:01
  it sound like they are sexing. Yeah, I wasn't sure.
• 1:04:06
  I thought that maybe like the vine was having some weird
• 1:04:08
  effect because it was inside her head.
• 1:04:10
  But the fact that, like, she actually did hear that, yeah,
• 1:04:12
  it's a different thing, Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:04:14
  And it like, I don't know how like, and I guess hearing you
• 1:04:17
  say that you weren't entirely sure it, this is one of those
• 1:04:20
  advantages of having read the book because that is absolutely
• 1:04:22
  what happened in the book. OK.
• 1:04:24
  Yeah, yeah, I don't think that. I don't think I saw the plants
• 1:04:27
  doing. Yeah.
• 1:04:28
  I don't remember if it was this exact like grouping of people,
• 1:04:31
  but I remember the vines were like distorting like words and
• 1:04:34
  sounds and stuff to kind of like make them fight each other.
• 1:04:37
  Well, that does happen later in the movie too.
• 1:04:38
  Like clearly it does. With her.
• 1:04:41
  So she comes out and she's yelling at them.
• 1:04:43
  She's pissed. This gets Jeff involved.
• 1:04:46
  They're all just like arguing. And in the meantime, Matthias is
• 1:04:49
  just like choked to death by these vines.
• 1:04:50
  Yeah, and before when they got like, his legs cut off, like the
• 1:04:54
  vines, like dragged his legs away.
• 1:04:56
  Which is so. Fucking weird.
• 1:04:57
  Yeah, that's mine. Yeah, it's like Zoe trying to,
• 1:05:02
  like, steal a piece of food. Off the table.
• 1:05:06
  Yeah, then Stacey panics all over again Seeing this.
• 1:05:10
  I love Eric's moment. Here he goes.
• 1:05:12
  Thank God we cut off his legs. Yeah, I know.
• 1:05:15
  Yeah. Cuz now he's just like if he
• 1:05:18
  makes it off of this ruin alive, now he's just like a person that
• 1:05:22
  has helped cut off another person's legs.
• 1:05:23
  He just has to live with that and he's not a doctor.
• 1:05:26
  He's not. No, that's not going to go well
• 1:05:28
  for him. Hopefully he's an accountant.
• 1:05:30
  He'll be fine if that's the. Case so Stacy starts panicking
• 1:05:33
  all over again and she's like look look look, we need to cut
• 1:05:36
  the open. They're definitely vines moving,
• 1:05:38
  I swear to God. This is the part where the vines
• 1:05:41
  start mimicking because it's like she's like saying you're
• 1:05:44
  not listening to me and then just like keeps repeating you're
• 1:05:46
  not listening to me. It's like mocking here almost.
• 1:05:49
  The next morning we see the Mayans are salting the earth
• 1:05:51
  around the ruins, and then they're realizing that birds and
• 1:05:54
  insects don't seem to land there, so these vines have to
• 1:05:57
  have been here for a long time. I think it would have been funny
• 1:06:01
  if they like started setting up like like booths and shit out
• 1:06:05
  there, like attractions for the family inflatables, you know
• 1:06:10
  what I mean? I guess it's just like it's like
• 1:06:12
  a fun time. It's just their block party or
• 1:06:14
  something. If I were to do a parody, that's
• 1:06:15
  what I would do. It's really becomes more like an
• 1:06:18
  amusement park type thing out there, like a fair.
• 1:06:21
  Like we got that one guy selling like inflatable aliens cuz
• 1:06:24
  there's one of those everywhere. Yeah, and there's like a Pokémon
• 1:06:27
  stuffed toys. Out there.
• 1:06:28
  Yeah. So Eric comes out to talk to
• 1:06:33
  Jeff and Stacy and he's like come, come, come and they go
• 1:06:39
  into the tent and he goes Stacy show him.
• 1:06:42
  And this is where we see the vines move.
• 1:06:45
  Around. It's upsetting again in a way I
• 1:06:49
  can't fully articulate. So they're going to do a little,
• 1:06:53
  little mini surgery. You have to go and do some
• 1:06:57
  incisions and they're going to just RIP the vines out.
• 1:07:00
  So they get the one from her leg and then they get the one from
• 1:07:02
  her back. There was a second one in her
• 1:07:04
  leg that they chose not to out loud acknowledge because you can
• 1:07:08
  see it like on her hip area as they're doing the back.
• 1:07:12
  And then she's like, I still feel like they're sending me
• 1:07:14
  like, and Amy's like, no more cutting today.
• 1:07:17
  No more cutting. She goes, no, I feel like
• 1:07:19
  there's more in me. And then we see across her
• 1:07:23
  forehead. So it's like later, I think it's
• 1:07:27
  like the next day or whatever, everybody's asleep and Stacy.
• 1:07:31
  No, it's Eric says he's going to make a run for it that night.
• 1:07:33
  Oh yeah, he's he's done. He's not waiting.
• 1:07:35
  Like nobody's coming. We're getting out of here.
• 1:07:37
  I'm getting out here regardless. So they all agree.
• 1:07:39
  OK. That night Jeff can't even find
• 1:07:41
  a rational argument for this. So they're taking a nap for the
• 1:07:44
  day, and as they're napping, Stacy wakes up and she sneaks
• 1:07:51
  out. She looks for the knife and she
• 1:07:54
  is just cutting and she's just trying to pull these fines out
• 1:07:57
  of herself. And again, this is one of those
• 1:07:59
  things that switched the characters.
• 1:08:00
  And I think it was partially because they had to lick the
• 1:08:03
  abbreviated time to develop, to develop up all of the emotional
• 1:08:07
  relationships between these. It.
• 1:08:09
  I see why they had Stacy doing this instead of Eric.
• 1:08:12
  Yeah, I can see him. Because she's more of a central
• 1:08:15
  figure for more of the characters in this.
• 1:08:19
  So she is like cutting and they all wake up and they just see
• 1:08:21
  her like a wreck and Jeff tries to get the knife from her and
• 1:08:26
  she kind of like turns around and swats out and cuts his hand.
• 1:08:29
  And then Jeff and Eric swap out. And I don't think Stacey
• 1:08:33
  realizes that they had swapped out because Jeff comes for it or
• 1:08:36
  because Eric comes for the knife and she turns around and stabs.
• 1:08:39
  Him. You think she was trying to
• 1:08:40
  actually stab Jeff? I mean, wouldn't you by this
• 1:08:43
  point? Yeah, but like, I don't, I
• 1:08:46
  thought it was just like, like she was obviously blood loss,
• 1:08:51
  like some weird like things are going on in her head.
• 1:08:54
  So it wasn't like a decision like that she really wanted to
• 1:08:56
  do. It was just an accident.
• 1:08:58
  Yeah, no, I think it was just like a reaction.
• 1:09:00
  I think she was trying to just like SWAT again.
• 1:09:01
  Yeah. And Eric was a lot closer
• 1:09:04
  because he was like, Stacey won't hurt me.
• 1:09:06
  She also. Did more in a stab motion than a
• 1:09:08
  splash. Most Yeah, motion.
• 1:09:10
  I really think it's like a turn around, like leave me alone.
• 1:09:12
  Like I think that's what she was going for.
• 1:09:14
  Yeah. And that's not what happened.
• 1:09:16
  You you need to respect the knife people.
• 1:09:18
  Yeah, yeah. And so he dies, and he gets
• 1:09:23
  pulled into the vines. And then Stacy is distraught.
• 1:09:28
  She realizes that she's got so many vines in her.
• 1:09:31
  She begs Amy to kill her. And it was like, I absolutely
• 1:09:33
  can't. And just like I can.
• 1:09:34
  Yeah, I'm. A doctor so you won't feel this.
• 1:09:37
  You don't. You have feelings.
• 1:09:39
  And then instead of using the knife, he just like, takes the
• 1:09:41
  rock and like, bashes her head over and over again.
• 1:09:43
  Yeah. Jesus, man.
• 1:09:45
  So. Jeff and Amy are like, OK, we're
• 1:09:49
  definitely getting away tonight. We'll do it.
• 1:09:50
  So they're doing their little plan here.
• 1:09:52
  They're coming up with a plan. He, just like is gently taking
• 1:09:55
  her best friend's blood and covering her face.
• 1:09:58
  I don't question it at this point.
• 1:10:00
  It's like, OK, like I don't think that this is part of the
• 1:10:01
  plan. I think he's just a fucking
• 1:10:03
  psycho at this point. Yeah, he's just, he's more of a
• 1:10:05
  Rascal than these vines. Yeah, and then we cut to like
• 1:10:09
  the next day and he is carrying her body down as if she's dead.
• 1:10:14
  He starts lecturing these Mayan people and I feel like even them
• 1:10:19
  are like, dude, what is this guy's deal?
• 1:10:22
  Yeah, I don't know, but they're listening.
• 1:10:24
  He's captivating. Somehow He's got, he's got their
• 1:10:28
  attention. Yeah, he's like, he's like, my
• 1:10:30
  name is Jeff. I'm a doctor.
• 1:10:35
  Always wanted to be a doctor. I'm going to be the best doctor.
• 1:10:40
  I'm the only one that matters here.
• 1:10:42
  But I guess if you want to know my girlfriend over there, her
• 1:10:45
  name is Amy. That's their secret keyword.
• 1:10:47
  It's just her name. He goes running, They shoot
• 1:10:52
  Jeff, she gets to the Jeep, she drives off.
• 1:10:55
  Now her driving off, that's where the theatrical version
• 1:10:58
  ends. Yeah, the.
• 1:11:00
  Oh wait, no, it also ends with. The the unrated version ends
• 1:11:06
  with no, I'm talking. About the Greeks.
• 1:11:07
  Showing up. OK, the Greeks end up actually
• 1:11:09
  showing up after all. Yeah, yeah, the Greeks do show
• 1:11:12
  up after the driving off. Now, in the unrated version, her
• 1:11:15
  driving off does still happen. The Greeks do still show up, but
• 1:11:19
  Amy's driving off is a little bit longer because we cut to her
• 1:11:21
  face and we see vines just squiggling their way up.
• 1:11:27
  Then there's like an alternate ending where we see that they
• 1:11:31
  all died. We're at a graveyard.
• 1:11:34
  Yeah, it's the same as that where you see the squiggle there
• 1:11:36
  again and then, yeah, it cuts to a graveyard.
• 1:11:39
  And we see the the graves groundskeeper is like going
• 1:11:43
  around cleaning up, you know, stuff and everything.
• 1:11:46
  And he sees Amy's tombstone, and there is a vine.
• 1:11:51
  Yeah, I like that. That's.
• 1:11:53
  Such a good ending, I wish that they kept that.
• 1:11:55
  In the book Everybody Dies. It doesn't.
• 1:11:57
  It doesn't involve that part. I don't remember how everybody
• 1:12:01
  goes. It's been a while since I've
• 1:12:03
  read the book, but in the book, everybody does die.
• 1:12:05
  I double checked that. Yeah, there's like 3 endings to
• 1:12:08
  this. Like, yeah, those those were the
• 1:12:09
  three endings. Yeah.
• 1:12:11
  So yeah, there there were a lot of different options for how it
• 1:12:13
  ended. I like the unrated version where
• 1:12:15
  it's just like we we don't need confirmation that we died, that
• 1:12:18
  she died. We know she's going to die.
• 1:12:20
  Well, that's not the part that I like.
• 1:12:21
  I like the part that like the vine grew with her body from
• 1:12:24
  there and it looks like it's like a flower that somebody
• 1:12:26
  dropped off. Yeah.
• 1:12:28
  Like, that's a great touch right there.
• 1:12:29
  I like that a lot. OK, so that's it.
• 1:12:33
  OK, I'm keeping mine at an 8 1/2.
• 1:12:38
  Like it's a really, really fucking good movie.
• 1:12:40
  I like this movie a lot. I'm gonna keep mine at a nine.
• 1:12:42
  What would you do to bump yours up just a little bit?
• 1:12:46
  That's tough. I really don't know what I would
• 1:12:48
  do differently with this one. I really don't know man, I would
• 1:12:55
  keep that alternate ending. OK.
• 1:12:57
  Alternate that that that ending was like really, really good.
• 1:13:00
  That thing like it ended it better for me.
• 1:13:04
  We there was one more scene that was cut that I see why it was
• 1:13:10
  cut, but it did kind of give Jeff a little bit of a
• 1:13:13
  personality. Yeah.
• 1:13:14
  Where they're, they were so excited about the rain and Amy
• 1:13:19
  suggests that they do like a celebratory shot of tequila.
• 1:13:22
  And Jeff was like, no, we're going to get more dehydrated.
• 1:13:25
  And I was like, dude, you're such a fucking Buzz Keller.
• 1:13:27
  Yeah, it's like, God, you suck. And then he agrees to do a shot
• 1:13:32
  if Stacy does a shot, and he also agrees to dance.
• 1:13:35
  The funny thing about that is like they're like, OK, he
• 1:13:38
  reluctant only takes a drink, but then he takes like three
• 1:13:40
  more and like what if you finished the whole bottle from
• 1:13:42
  like none of them got the drink because.
• 1:13:45
  And there's also like an extension of him and Amy talking
• 1:13:49
  about the their escape plan and she, you know, was talking about
• 1:13:52
  how she wants to do a road trip with him and, you know, all of
• 1:13:56
  the things they want, you know, for their future.
• 1:13:59
  It ain't working. No.
• 1:14:00
  Sorry, Amy. Even after this event where you
• 1:14:03
  think you could maybe trauma bond?
• 1:14:05
  No, no. OK, so dream sequel.
• 1:14:10
  All right, Dream sequel. Well, I think we pick up from
• 1:14:15
  that alternate ending where the vines have made its way to the
• 1:14:20
  States and at the graveyard. What if somebody's there like at
• 1:14:26
  a funeral, but it's like a funeral for, I don't know, maybe
• 1:14:29
  it's like their brother or somebody who was like a
• 1:14:30
  murderer. So like nobody else wants to
• 1:14:32
  show up to the funeral. So it's just like them, the
• 1:14:34
  priest and like a member of the murder victim's family.
• 1:14:38
  That's like confronting like. So we've got a small setting,
• 1:14:41
  they're in the graveyard, then they see this plant and like
• 1:14:45
  something happens that gets them like trapped, surrounded by
• 1:14:49
  these vines. What if there's it's going to be
• 1:14:51
  some kind of like a nature like a like maybe like a fire or
• 1:14:57
  something that's like got them like surrounded or something, I
• 1:15:00
  don't know. So something happens and they
• 1:15:03
  end up trapped. Yeah, they're trapped.
• 1:15:04
  Here. Yeah.
• 1:15:05
  Yeah. So it's gonna remain a single
• 1:15:07
  location movie. Yes.
• 1:15:08
  Oh yeah, absolutely. That's part of the the scariness
• 1:15:11
  of it. OK, you can make that work.
• 1:15:15
  So Talia, she was pretty sleepy during this.
• 1:15:17
  Yeah, she was pretty sleepy. I think this scares her because
• 1:15:20
  she's allergic to a lot of nature.
• 1:15:22
  She is, but she is also super curious about all that nature,
• 1:15:26
  too. Yeah, she's not afraid to go
• 1:15:27
  sniff it. It's a problem.
• 1:15:29
  That's that's what's scary to her here is she'll sip that vine
• 1:15:32
  and it's just going to grow on her.
• 1:15:33
  Yeah, and it'll probably bark at her.
• 1:15:36
  It'll bark at her. It'll like tease her.
• 1:15:38
  Yeah. So it'll like mock, like the
• 1:15:40
  sound of like a bag of crackers opening.
• 1:15:42
  Oh, my God. She goes running for it.
• 1:15:44
  She's like, God, I'm so hungry. Yeah.
• 1:15:47
  So I think maybe Charlie would give this a nine because it
• 1:15:51
  sounds like Vine. OK, I think Zoe's ultimate
• 1:15:54
  warrior's queer here. I think it's the vines.
• 1:15:56
  Yeah, yeah, Zoe is also a Rascal who just wants to feed.
• 1:16:00
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
• 1:16:02
  OK, right. What would Dom Treto do?
• 1:16:06
  So I've been thinking about this and the whole thing is like he
• 1:16:11
  will swing on vines like in Fast and Furious 8, he's going to get
• 1:16:16
  a car and swing his way off of there.
• 1:16:19
  So are the vines going to become part of their family?
• 1:16:21
  Because they always take the enemy and turn them into part of
• 1:16:24
  the family. Tej and Cypher will like keep a
• 1:16:28
  sample and they'll weaponize it. Yes.
• 1:16:30
  Perfect. Yeah.
• 1:16:31
  But he's that's what I mean. All he needs is like a car on
• 1:16:34
  top, which Vin Diesel isn't walking to the top of the ruins.
• 1:16:37
  He drives to the top of the ruins.
• 1:16:39
  And then Bama Boy and Twinkie wanna take some of the vine and
• 1:16:45
  do some testing with it in space, see if it can grow in
• 1:16:48
  those conditions. Perfect.
• 1:16:50
  That's it. So that's.
• 1:16:51
  I mean, if you throw vines into the equation, Vin Diesel's gonna
• 1:16:54
  swing on them with a car. All right?
• 1:16:56
  That's just the easy answer. Did you?
• 1:16:57
  Say Cipher. Cipher is Shirley's throne.
• 1:17:01
  You. Think it's not Cipher Ramsey.
• 1:17:03
  Ramsey. Yeah.
• 1:17:04
  Ramsey, OK. Yeah.
• 1:17:05
  So yeah, I could see Ramsey and Tej doing some stance.
• 1:17:11
  Yeah, definitely. OK all.
• 1:17:13
  Right, all right, we got to attack one.
• 1:17:17
  OK, this vacation is ruined. That's good.
• 1:17:31
  I was going to like do something dumb like creeping terror or
• 1:17:34
  whatever, but. No, that's great.
• 1:17:36
  Too lame. That's perfect.
• 1:17:37
  I love that vacation's ruined so good man OK.
• 1:17:44
  OK. All right, so I think.
• 1:17:47
  We are. Who did you relate to?
• 1:17:49
  Yeah, that's it. I awaited to Eric, OK, I don't
• 1:17:55
  know. He doesn't at that age.
• 1:17:58
  I think I because like that's like right out of college.
• 1:18:00
  I feel for them. Yeah, they're, they're all about
• 1:18:03
  like 22. That's Jeff's about to go to Med
• 1:18:05
  school. It's implied they're all the
• 1:18:06
  same age. Yeah, I wasn't taking shit that
• 1:18:08
  seriously either. I was just kind of there to
• 1:18:10
  like, I was wanting to have fun, you know?
• 1:18:13
  Yeah, I mean, that's pretty much it.
• 1:18:19
  You don't want to see Jeff D. No, God, I don't relate to Jeff
• 1:18:22
  though. Yeah, I hope I'm not that much
• 1:18:24
  of a buzzkill. No, you just went to you
• 1:18:28
  furthered your ethic. Yeah, education.
• 1:18:34
  God, I guess I'd probably relate to Stacey because I feel like
• 1:18:38
  once I saw 1 vine in me, I would never be able to.
• 1:18:40
  I would never have peace again. Yeah, paranoid.
• 1:18:42
  That would be the same, yeah. Plus, we said that they seemed
• 1:18:46
  like a real fun couple, and I think we're like a real fun
• 1:18:49
  couple. I agree.
• 1:18:50
  Yeah, I I like, I like that. OK, cool.
• 1:18:54
  I've got a review. OK.
• 1:18:57
  And this was actually, this was interesting because a lot of
• 1:19:00
  times when you go to the one star reviews, it's people go
• 1:19:02
  like this may be stupid and you're like, OK, I don't know
• 1:19:05
  what to do with that. But this time I was like, this
• 1:19:07
  movie is different from the book.
• 1:19:08
  And here are the reasons I have problems with that.
• 1:19:10
  So that was actually pretty interesting to work with.
• 1:19:12
  So I've got one of those reviews.
• 1:19:14
  Cool, I respect that kind of take.
• 1:19:18
  This is a little bit longer than I normally do, but they brought
• 1:19:20
  up a lot of good points. That's fine, go for it.
• 1:19:22
  Love the book. The movie is severely lacking
• 1:19:25
  one out of 10. This was rated back in 2021, so
• 1:19:28
  more recent. I guess killer vines aren't easy
• 1:19:31
  to translate onto the big screen.
• 1:19:32
  I've read the book over and over since it came out when I was in
• 1:19:35
  high school. I love it so much that I own 2
• 1:19:37
  copies, a hardcover and a small portable copy.
• 1:19:39
  Many others who I have recommended it to really enjoy
• 1:19:43
  it. OK nerd. 2 copies.
• 1:19:47
  That's why it's so frustrating to see what a failure this movie
• 1:19:49
  was. Which is a shame since the
• 1:19:51
  author helped write most of the script.
• 1:19:53
  He swapped the characters around in the film and removed most if
• 1:19:55
  not all of their back story. I understand a movie cannot
• 1:19:58
  fully embody the essence of a book, but while reading you
• 1:20:00
  become familiar and somewhat attached to the characters,
• 1:20:02
  which allows you to relate with them in a chilling way that
• 1:20:04
  leaves you a bit unsettled when they're being tortured and
• 1:20:07
  killed off by the sentient plant.
• 1:20:08
  It is sentient. I'm not buying it.
• 1:20:11
  I'm not buying it. In the movie I could not bring
• 1:20:16
  myself to care about what happens to these people as I
• 1:20:18
  have 0 emotional investment to them nor do I even gain any
• 1:20:21
  interest in them as they are the most blank character as I've
• 1:20:23
  ever seen in a film besides Twilight.
• 1:20:25
  You ever watch Twilight? They could have discussed the
• 1:20:28
  hardships of no food or drink, missing their families, or
• 1:20:30
  spoken more about their hopes and dreams from when they get
• 1:20:32
  back home. Literally anything besides the
• 1:20:34
  wasted screen time of just staring at each other while
• 1:20:36
  showing limited emotional or realistic relation reactions to
• 1:20:39
  the events around them. What's worse, they not only
• 1:20:42
  stripped the characters of their personality and honestly divine
• 1:20:45
  of its personality in the book, but then shuffled them around
• 1:20:47
  for no discernible reason. It was done in a very first way
• 1:20:50
  that didn't feel natural, especially when their fates and
• 1:20:52
  form of death were also mismatched.
• 1:20:53
  In the book, the Greek is the one who breaks his back.
• 1:20:56
  This creates A haunting experience since we don't know
• 1:20:58
  what's wrong with him right away because he can't speak English
• 1:21:00
  to tell the others how severely he's hurt.
• 1:21:02
  Extra unsettling is the fact that he cannot communicate with
• 1:21:05
  any of them to consent having his legs amputated, creating a
• 1:21:07
  very squeamish and gut wrenching chapter in the book.
• 1:21:10
  The film adaptation removes this horrific factor by making
• 1:21:13
  Matthias the one to fall. They immediately figure out if
• 1:21:15
  Beck is back, and then Matthias begs the other to cut off his
• 1:21:17
  legs. That's only one example of many
• 1:21:19
  things that went wrong and caused this movie to fall
• 1:21:21
  completely flat. I won't even waste my time
• 1:21:23
  explaining how disappointed I was that the vines were
• 1:21:26
  laughable at best rather than terrifying entity described in
• 1:21:29
  the book. And lastly, the fact that Amy
• 1:21:31
  survives is an absolute joke. In the book, there are no
• 1:21:33
  survivors. A very chilling end to a
• 1:21:35
  depressing story. The whole we need a happy ending
• 1:21:37
  for the audience was the final unrealistic bow slapped on top
• 1:21:40
  of this flop of the film. They were going to choose to
• 1:21:43
  allow someone to survive and they should have included the
• 1:21:45
  unreleased ending which was much more haunting and realistic,
• 1:21:48
  showing how deadly and intrusive these vines are.
• 1:21:51
  Overall, I'm disappointed in Ben Stiller and Scott Smith.
• 1:21:54
  How dare you? Just overall, I'm disappointed
• 1:21:57
  in Ben Stiller Scott Smith for failing to create a movie that
• 1:22:02
  even suggests a proper attempt of doing the book any justice.
• 1:22:05
  Translating a far fetched idea onto the big screen is something
• 1:22:07
  that cannot be skimmed on. You have the money to do it and
• 1:22:09
  do it right, but this was not it.
• 1:22:11
  You know, I'm going to start doing that.
• 1:22:12
  I'm going to start like anytime anything's like I don't agree
• 1:22:16
  with the decision to movie. Why did you do this, Ben
• 1:22:18
  Stiller? I'm so disappointed in Ben
• 1:22:20
  Stiller. I think, yeah, I think some of
• 1:22:24
  those like deleted scenes in the alternate ending and the stuff
• 1:22:27
  we got in the unrated version, I think would have helped address
• 1:22:30
  some of those those concerns. Yeah, I can see that.
• 1:22:32
  And like I said, I'd need to reread the book to like, really
• 1:22:36
  analyze some of the decisions they made to switch around
• 1:22:39
  because I agree in the book it is absolutely like gut
• 1:22:43
  wrenching. All of the stuff that happens
• 1:22:45
  with Dmitri, when he falls and breaks his back, it's
• 1:22:47
  horrifying. I don't know how well it would
• 1:22:50
  translate to screen. That's the thing I like, I can't
• 1:22:53
  speak to that 'cause I haven't read the book, but from what
• 1:22:56
  I've heard from you and that person, like I can like, that
• 1:23:00
  does sound interesting. Like the language barrier there,
• 1:23:02
  something's wrong. You don't know what's wrong.
• 1:23:04
  That is scary. But I also agree with what you
• 1:23:06
  were saying before, like you need to be able to move that
• 1:23:09
  story because this is a movie. We got less time.
• 1:23:11
  Like if you make it Matthias then like we can get past that
• 1:23:15
  point quicker and it still has most of the effect.
• 1:23:18
  Yes, and it it also helps with other other characters
• 1:23:21
  developments as well. And I think that like if you
• 1:23:25
  know, we had it from a non book reader's perspective watching
• 1:23:28
  this movie and we see the Greek person would be like, wow, they
• 1:23:31
  just went straight to cutting this man's legs off.
• 1:23:33
  It would, I just don't think it would have translated as well
• 1:23:36
  because Jeff is cold and calculating in this moment and
• 1:23:39
  it really does come across as a lot more psychotic.
• 1:23:42
  If he does anything, yeah, that's like super psychotic.
• 1:23:44
  If they like, bring them. All right, The legs are getting
• 1:23:46
  out of here. Which you can have a lot more
• 1:23:48
  back and forth in the book. And it's just one of those
• 1:23:51
  things, and I get it. I am a book person for sure.
• 1:23:55
  But if you want to be a book in a movie person, you have to
• 1:23:58
  learn to kind of critically analyze why these changes are
• 1:24:01
  made. And if there are some that seem
• 1:24:04
  frivolous, absolutely call that out.
• 1:24:07
  That's fair. But, you know, sometimes they're
• 1:24:09
  not frivolous. Yeah.
• 1:24:11
  So. I mean, I'm sure the author of
• 1:24:13
  the book had his reasons for making these changes.
• 1:24:16
  Yes, I don't think anybody could be more attached to the
• 1:24:19
  characters than him. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:24:21
  Yeah. So all right.
• 1:24:23
  Well, whatever. I mean, those makes sense.
• 1:24:26
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:24:27
  Well. I really wish, I really wish
• 1:24:29
  Scott Smith had been part of the special features because they
• 1:24:32
  even had like a section in making The Ruins, Yeah, where
• 1:24:36
  they were talking about the differences between the movie
• 1:24:39
  and the book. It's weird that he wasn't, Yeah,
• 1:24:41
  brought in on that. Yeah, it is.
• 1:24:43
  It's a little bit. I would have liked to hear some
• 1:24:45
  of his rationale for things. OK, well let's see what other
• 1:24:49
  people think about this movie. I see.
• 1:24:52
  Yeah. All right, so let's start off
• 1:24:54
  with Lord Zombie, who says I don't care what anyone says,
• 1:24:58
  this was a good movie. So is this like a this movie
• 1:25:01
  have a reputation for not being good?
• 1:25:03
  It's I mean it's kind of got like mid reviews.
• 1:25:06
  It's a 5.9 on ITV. That's just shocking to me.
• 1:25:08
  I've always thought it's good. Again, I really think it comes
• 1:25:11
  from people who read the book and can't handle the differences
• 1:25:15
  between the book and the movie. OK, so he goes on to say the
• 1:25:19
  start was so so, but after they hit the ruins it got pretty
• 1:25:22
  good. The idea of the killer plants
• 1:25:24
  was pretty cool. I say give it a chance.
• 1:25:26
  That rhymed. Good job.
• 1:25:28
  Hey, way to go Salty Solo says. The Lexine always gets me crazy.
• 1:25:34
  Can't believe they just cut the leg that way.
• 1:25:36
  Yeah. That is so fucking gnarly.
• 1:25:38
  Yeah, that one. Like both Lexines, honestly.
• 1:25:42
  Yeah, I was going to say which one.
• 1:25:43
  Yeah, Matthias is big time, and also big time for Stacy's.
• 1:25:48
  That one is gnarly. And then Marnie, who says it's
• 1:25:52
  OK. Oh, OK.
• 1:25:53
  Right there on the IMDb yeah, line right there.
• 1:25:57
  And that's, you know, that's good.
• 1:25:58
  We got all of the. Yeah, the I got the full range.
• 1:26:01
  Yeah, we did. We hit it.
• 1:26:03
  All right. Well, thanks everybody for
• 1:26:04
  dropping the reviews. Absolutely.
• 1:26:05
  Yeah, definitely appreciate that.
• 1:26:07
  We had a lot of fun with this movie.
• 1:26:09
  We hope you guys did too. Next week we are discussing
• 1:26:13
  Smile. Yeah, smile.
• 1:26:15
  So be happy. Oh boy, yeah.
• 1:26:18
  You don't have a choice, you have to smile, which is just how
• 1:26:20
  that goes, unfortunately. I know for a fact you can watch
• 1:26:23
  this on Paramount. I'm pulling up the list just to
• 1:26:26
  double check. OK, so right now it's streaming
• 1:26:29
  on Paramount Plus, Netflix, Prime Premium, or you can rent
• 1:26:33
  it from YouTube, Google Play, Apple TV or Fandango at home.
• 1:26:36
  Yeah, so check it out if you haven't seen it.
• 1:26:39
  Definitely recommend giving that one.
• 1:26:40
  A watch. It's a really good one,
• 1:26:41
  honestly. Like we I thought it looked
• 1:26:44
  stupid based on the trails were like, oh man, it's a demon that
• 1:26:47
  smiles at you. And like, I think part of that
• 1:26:49
  to blame is the Blum House. Truth or dare?
• 1:26:53
  Yeah, well, yeah, they they fucked that one up.
• 1:26:56
  But it's actually really good. Maybe.
• 1:26:59
  Yeah, it's. Really good, yeah, give it a
• 1:27:01
  chance if you've just kind of been deterred by the premise,
• 1:27:05
  like and. If you need more prompting, I've
• 1:27:08
  got 2 words for you, Kyle. That's right, he is in that
• 1:27:13
  movie, yes. Yeah.
• 1:27:14
  OK. We want to go ahead and thank
• 1:27:17
  our Patreons, our Bubbies. Yeah, thank you guys.
• 1:27:19
  Bubbies. We have Joe.
• 1:27:20
  Freakatron. Pass is his name amber Michael
• 1:27:24
  Tyler or zombie Chad Johnny and Jason Papa Thanks everybody for
• 1:27:30
  being patrons. We really, really appreciate the
• 1:27:32
  support. You guys are the best and you
• 1:27:34
  help us do this and support the show and.
• 1:27:38
  Support the Trevor Project with our our June earnings.
• 1:27:41
  Donation. Yeah.
• 1:27:43
  So thanks everybody for doing that.
• 1:27:44
  If you are unable to do that, we totally get it.
• 1:27:47
  But there's all kinds of ways you can help the show.
• 1:27:50
  You can rate US on whatever platform you listen on.
• 1:27:53
  You can share episodes. You can just let anybody know.
• 1:27:58
  You know, if anybody's into the ruins, send them this episode.
• 1:28:01
  Yeah. But yeah, it's super easy and we
• 1:28:05
  appreciate any little thing that we get from you guys, so thanks.
• 1:28:07
  Absolutely yes, if you want to show sport in other ways, just
• 1:28:12
  by rating, review and subscribing.
• 1:28:14
  And following us on social media is another one that helps too.
• 1:28:18
  We are on Instagram and threads at least favorite scary movie
• 1:28:21
  podcast. We're on blue sky at
• 1:28:22
  leastfavepod our websites. What's your least favorite scary
• 1:28:24
  movie.com? You can e-mail us at least
• 1:28:26
  favorite scarymovie@gmail.com. That's right.
• 1:28:28
  All right. Thanks everybody.
• 1:28:29
  We'll catch you guys next week. Until then, bye.
• 1:28:44
  Hold on one second. That's Italian.
• 1:28:45
  Was out there walking around.