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  Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on
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  Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to our Labor Day night program, George NOORI
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  Speaker 2: with you, Jeff Bland, You're back with us. Author, podcaster,
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  Speaker 2: great storyteller, adventurer and explorer of the unexplained. He's written
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  Speaker 2: more than a dozen books that have been published in
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  Speaker 2: six languages, and as an Emmy nominated host, writer and producer. Jeffery,
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  Speaker 2: you hit a home run with Wicked Strange. Welcome back, Thanks, George,
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  Speaker 2: so good to be back with you. How did you
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  Speaker 2: get the idea to write this one about New England?
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's New England's home. And you know, long ago
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  Speaker 3: when I started researching the paranormal ghosts and haunted places,
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  Speaker 3: I think I fell into the trap of thinking all
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  Speaker 3: the cool places are far away from me. And then
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  Speaker 3: you realize wherever you live is far away from most
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  Speaker 3: of the world. And so I started to kind of
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  Speaker 3: look at my own backyard and just started uncovering so
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  Speaker 3: many great stories. And when you're local, you know you
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  Speaker 3: can just get in deeper because these are your name.
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  Speaker 3: And so it started with a TV show on PBS
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  Speaker 3: called New England Legends that turned into a podcast of
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  Speaker 3: the same name, and what's great is, over time, George,
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  Speaker 3: a whole community sort of evolved of people emailing me saying, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: in my town, we've got this strange story, and what
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  Speaker 3: about this strange story? And I've now collected hundreds and
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  Speaker 3: hundreds of them, and from there it was just sort
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  Speaker 3: of natural to put together a very weird book.
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  Speaker 2: The photography in the book absolutely stunning.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Frank Grace. He is amazing. So Frank and
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  Speaker 3: I started doing a Haunted New England calendar, an annual calendar,
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  Speaker 3: thirteen years ago and we've done one thirteen years in
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  Speaker 3: a row. And he tells a whole story with a
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  Speaker 3: photograph and I'm so in awe of what he can do.
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  Speaker 3: And when we first met, he said, oh, I love
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  Speaker 3: your stories, and I said I love your photography, and
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  Speaker 3: a relationship was born. So the calendar has now turned
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  Speaker 3: into the book and it was just such a pleasure
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  Speaker 3: to work on.
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  Speaker 2: New eng One consists of Connecticut, Massachusett, It's New Hampshire,
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  Speaker 2: Rhode Island, Vermont, Maine, a number of states.
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  Speaker 3: Right, yep, all Sex, that's it.
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  Speaker 2: Where were the Witches Salem? Right?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 3: Well, yes, of course, everyone knows Salem, believe it or not.
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  Speaker 3: Though Connecticut had witch trials decades before Salem. They had
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  Speaker 3: executed a dozen people over time from various towns. Unlike Salem,
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  Speaker 3: where it was sort of a craze all at once
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  Speaker 3: over the span of a few months, Connecticut, it was
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  Speaker 3: happening in pockets and they sort of hit it better.
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  Speaker 3: But there's witches in pretty much all the New England states.
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  Speaker 3: We just know the most about Salem because it got
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  Speaker 3: so much attention, But the stories are similar, you know,
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  Speaker 3: where you've got people that were sort of outliers in
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  Speaker 3: the community that were persecuted, and it really was more
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  Speaker 3: about a power grab and a land grab as opposed
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  Speaker 3: to fighting someone with magical powers.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Well andrew with us. His website is his name.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about his latest book called Wicked Strange, which
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  Speaker 2: is available now. Jeff, isn't it George?
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  Speaker 3: The book came out twelve minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Ago and Tim did it perfectly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is it, so thank you, thank you for
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  Speaker 3: letting me launch it here.
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  Speaker 2: The evolution of the book was based on the TV
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  Speaker 2: show right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So, as you know, when TV shows are very
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  Speaker 3: expensive to make and they take a lot of time
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  Speaker 3: and between permits and everything else. And so when we
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  Speaker 3: were working for PBS, we funded it ourselves, myself and
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  Speaker 3: my producer partner, Tony Dunn. We were paying for it ourselves.
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  Speaker 3: PBS really doesn't pay us anything. They would just air it.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, man, I wish we could do more
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  Speaker 3: of these stories, you know, without with all the time
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  Speaker 3: and expense. And so that's how the podcast was born
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  Speaker 3: and that became a weekly thing called the New England
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  Speaker 3: Legends Podcast, and that's when the things that's when things
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  Speaker 3: really took off because at that point you can just
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  Speaker 3: be a lot more prolific. And the podcast it's short,
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  Speaker 3: you know, they're like ten to fifteen minutes scripted stories.
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  Speaker 3: And what I what I want to know is how
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  Speaker 3: did we get here? Why do we talk about this
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  Speaker 3: building being haunted? Why do we talk about those woods
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  Speaker 3: having a strange creature or this spot being a hot
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  Speaker 3: spot for UFOs? And to answer that, you have to
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  Speaker 3: go back in time. You just you have to start
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  Speaker 3: looking backwards what was here before today and before that
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  Speaker 3: and before that, and you can start to piece together
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  Speaker 3: a picture that's really that really paints a whole portrait
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  Speaker 3: of your community of where you live, and you realize
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  Speaker 3: we're all a byproduct of where we live. We're a
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  Speaker 3: byproduct of everything that happened before us, and these these
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  Speaker 3: strange events, these unexplained events, are kind of like the
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  Speaker 3: crutons in the salad.
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  Speaker 2: Jeffrey, how many of these stories came from your work
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  Speaker 2: as opposed to people who wrote.
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  Speaker 3: You oh goodness, well zero, It was all people who
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  Speaker 3: who I mean, I researched it, but someone would say like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: did you hear about this weird grave in Bridgeport, Connecticut?
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  Speaker 3: And then I would go and look into it. So
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  Speaker 3: I looked into all of them. But you know, of course,
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  Speaker 3: growing up where I have, I mean, I was born
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  Speaker 3: in Massachusetts. I grew up in Sandy Hook, Connecticut, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, we had our legends that we heard about,
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  Speaker 3: and that's where I started with the ones I heard
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  Speaker 3: about since the time I was a kid. But from
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  Speaker 3: there it just grows and grows, and as you know,
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  Speaker 3: once you start going down the rabbit hole, there's no stopping.
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  Speaker 2: What are some of your favorite stories in the book?
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  Speaker 2: Wicked Strange?
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  Speaker 1: So?
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  Speaker 3: I was raised Catholic in the interest of full disclosure,
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  Speaker 3: and went to church every week and the whole thing,
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  Speaker 3: and then sort of got away from it around, you know,
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  Speaker 3: after becoming an adult. And you know, my mom would
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  Speaker 3: get upset by that, and I'd joke, you know, Mom,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to go to church because I'm afraid
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  Speaker 3: lightning would strike and I don't want anyone innocent to
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  Speaker 3: get hurt. And that was a joke, and she didn't
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  Speaker 3: find it very funny. Anyway. There's this cemetery in Bridgeport, Connecticut,
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  Speaker 3: and there's a there's an old grave from seventeen seventy one,
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  Speaker 3: and the epitaph reads, and I quote, here lies buried
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  Speaker 3: the body of mister David Sherman, who was killed lightning
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  Speaker 3: in the House of God at public worship on the
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  Speaker 3: twenty eighth of July seventeen seventy one and the thirty
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  Speaker 3: fifth year of his age. And I read that and
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  Speaker 3: I went, are you kidding? He was killed by lightning
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  Speaker 3: in church? And then I started to dig into it,
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  Speaker 3: and it turns out two people were killed that day,
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  Speaker 3: and another man had his shoe torn off by the
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  Speaker 3: lightning strike. And I've discovered the secret to immortality. George,
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  Speaker 3: you need to have a really crazy, memorable funny epitaph
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  Speaker 3: on your headstone, and we will be talking about you
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  Speaker 3: for centuries.
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  Speaker 2: I'll pass.
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  Speaker 3: Fair enough.
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  Speaker 2: That is unbelievable.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, right there and there it is, right
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  Speaker 3: there in stone, killed by lightning in the House of God.
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  Speaker 2: Right through the church, right through the church.
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  Speaker 3: It turns out the church had yet to put up
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  Speaker 3: a lightning rod, and two people paid with their lives
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  Speaker 3: and one guy lost a shoe.
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  Speaker 2: Come, I've being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much, that's how it goes.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I always think that the outliers, right, that's that's where
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  Speaker 3: we that's where we earn our living, you know, we
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  Speaker 3: earn our living, and not the middle but the very
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  Speaker 3: fringes of what happens, the kind of stuff that sometimes
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  Speaker 3: defies explanation but also begs a lot of questions. And
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  Speaker 3: that's what I love about this stuff. I love the
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  Speaker 3: fringy stuff that makes us say, like, well, maybe there's
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  Speaker 3: something more to it. And I think usually there is.
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  Speaker 2: How many stories Jeff did that make the book?
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  Speaker 3: So there's seventeen from each of the six states, so
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  Speaker 3: one hundred and two to be exact.
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  Speaker 2: That made the book.
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  Speaker 3: That made the book.
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  Speaker 1: Oh and the.
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  Speaker 2: Podcast, how many did did not make it?
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  Speaker 3: So in our podcast we've already covered four hundred and twelve. Wow,
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  Speaker 3: so and growing so. And then you know, there's the
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  Speaker 3: stories you gather here and there. I do one every
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  Speaker 3: week now, and it's it's at one point I was
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  Speaker 3: worried I was going to run out, But I'm not
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  Speaker 3: worried anymore, as this thing just sort of grows on itself.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I like everything weird, not just ghosts
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  Speaker 3: and hauntings, but UFO sites, roadside oddities, when someone just
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  Speaker 3: decides to put something up because they just want to
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  Speaker 3: leave a mark somewhere. These kind of things just I
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  Speaker 3: think make a community all the more interesting.
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  Speaker 2: At what point did you turn Frank Grace loose to
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  Speaker 2: take pictures so?
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  Speaker 3: Well? It started back when we met. Frank and I
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  Speaker 3: met at the haunted Lizzie Borden House in Fall River, Massachusetts,
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  Speaker 3: and I had seen his work online. I knew he
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  Speaker 3: was going to be there and I hadn't met him yet,
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  Speaker 3: and I walked up and I just said, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 3: you're Frank Grace. It's so great to meet you. And
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  Speaker 3: he was literally like hunched over taking a picture inside
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  Speaker 3: the house. At the time, and I said, I just
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  Speaker 3: think you're so talented. And he pointed to the shutter
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  Speaker 3: button on his camera and he said, I just pushed
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  Speaker 3: this button. The camera really does most of the work.
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  Speaker 3: And at that point I figured we were probably going
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  Speaker 3: to be friends. And then we started talking about the
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  Speaker 3: calendar and that's what started it. And now we've gone
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  Speaker 3: on road trips together all over and he's always up
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  Speaker 3: for a ghost hunt or whatever's going on. He brings
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  Speaker 3: his camera. He tells his stories that way, and I
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  Speaker 3: do it with words.
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  Speaker 2: Did Lizzie Borden get acquitted?
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  Speaker 3: She did. The all male jury said there's no way
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  Speaker 3: a woman could have committed a crime like that. And
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  Speaker 3: that's one of those stories that I mean, think about
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  Speaker 3: how weird. There's a nursery rhyme here in Massachusetts. You know,
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  Speaker 3: the children sing it, Lizzie Borden took an axe and
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  Speaker 3: gave her mother forty wax, and when she saw what
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  Speaker 3: she had done, she gave her father forty one. They
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  Speaker 3: would sing that during her trial, the little kids outside
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  Speaker 3: dancing in a circle when you run out of ring
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  Speaker 3: around the rosie we have. We can be just as
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  Speaker 3: macabre with Lizzie's trial that was You have to remember
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  Speaker 3: that was eighteen ninety two, which was not the Dark Ages.
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  Speaker 3: That was fairly modern times, and it was well covered
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  Speaker 3: by the papers and such a head scratcher. I've been
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  Speaker 3: in that house so many times now when you stand
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  Speaker 3: at the crime scene and you realize there was no
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  Speaker 3: sign of forced entry, nothing was stolen, nothing was disturbed,
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  Speaker 3: and literally the victims were killed, you know, without a struggle.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you don't have to be a CSI expert
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  Speaker 3: to know they knew whoever killed them, that they knew
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  Speaker 3: them like that, they knew their killer. And Lizzie was
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  Speaker 3: really the most obvious, but it's also possible she might
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  Speaker 3: have had some help. This case still haunts us because
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  Speaker 3: two people were murdered and no one was ever punished
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  Speaker 3: for that, and that's something that shakes us up. We
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  Speaker 3: don't like it.
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  Speaker 2: What did Lizzie contend happen to them?
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  Speaker 3: She says, in the span of about fifteen minutes, she
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  Speaker 3: went out back to pick some pears from their tree
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  Speaker 3: and then go into their barn and get some weights
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  Speaker 3: for a fishing trip she had coming up, and in
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  Speaker 3: that time, someone mysteriously slipped into their house, murdered her
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  Speaker 3: father Andrew while he was napping on the sofa in
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  Speaker 3: the sitting room, and then what's that for no reason? Right, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and then went up with an axe violently over and over,
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  Speaker 3: and then went upstairs and killed her stepmother right on
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  Speaker 3: the floor. She was making the bed in the one
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  Speaker 3: of their bedrooms, and so she came in, said she
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  Speaker 3: found them, and then called for help. So in that
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  Speaker 3: fifteen minute period, someone just did that brutally and left.
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  Speaker 3: That's what that was her alibi. I was out back
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  Speaker 3: getting pairs and fishing in some fishing weights.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff, what do we know about Lizzie Board Who was she?
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  Speaker 3: Well, we know she never married. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: speculation about her sexuality that maybe you know, that was
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  Speaker 3: a time where you you couldn't really be out if
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  Speaker 3: you were, you know. And so she she was acquitted.
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  Speaker 3: She became sort of famous, well she was famous, but
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  Speaker 3: also infamous, as these sort of characters go. She mingled
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  Speaker 3: in a lot of different circles, and then she and
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  Speaker 3: her sister eventually bought a much larger house about a
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  Speaker 3: mile away from their former home in Fall River, and
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  Speaker 3: and she pretty much spent the rest of her days
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  Speaker 3: in infamy.
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  Speaker 2: I had a guest on last week who goes to
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  Speaker 2: cemeteries for for lot. You've got a number of cemetery stories,
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  Speaker 2: don't you.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. I call it a cemetery safari when
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  Speaker 3: we go to some of these various boneyards, because like
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  Speaker 3: I said, there's there's First of all, every grave has
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  Speaker 3: a story to tell. I think some some really command attention.
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  Speaker 3: There's there's this one cemetery in a little town called
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  Speaker 3: New Haven, Vermont, not to be confused with the one
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  Speaker 3: in Connecticut. And in Evergreen Cemetery, there's this this mound
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  Speaker 3: and it's a it's a pretty little cemetery, well taken
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  Speaker 3: care of, but this one mound sticks out and there's
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  Speaker 3: no marker on it except at the top there's a
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  Speaker 3: square and when you look down, there's a window. And
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  Speaker 3: the window looks down six feet to the h to
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  Speaker 3: the crypt of doctor Timothy Clark Smith, who had a
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  Speaker 3: horrible case of tafaphobia and tapaphobia is the fear of
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  Speaker 3: being buried alive. And the extent that he went to
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  Speaker 3: to make sure he would not be buried alive was
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  Speaker 3: just epic. Not just the grave with the window, but
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  Speaker 3: He had a casket with a glass glass top on it,
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  Speaker 3: and he wanted a hammer and a chisel placed in
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  Speaker 3: his hands should he wake up in that casket, need
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  Speaker 3: to chisel his way out. And then, of course he
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  Speaker 3: designed the grave with a window, which became a tourist attraction,
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  Speaker 3: attracting sometimes twelve and fourteen people a year to this
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  Speaker 3: little cemetery in the middle of Vermont.
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  Speaker 2: You heard the story of the guy who too, had
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  Speaker 2: an obsession with being buried alive, convinced that if he died,
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  Speaker 2: he really wasn't dead, and that he'd wake up in
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  Speaker 2: his casket panicking. So he told his family, when I die,
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  Speaker 2: put a cell phone in the coffin with me so
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  Speaker 2: I can call for help. And they went, Dad, that's
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  Speaker 2: a waste, He said, please insist. So one day he died,
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  Speaker 2: They put him in a coffin, put the cell phone
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  Speaker 2: in there. The family argued about it, but they did.
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  Speaker 2: They buried him. Well, he wakes up, Jeff in the coffin, panicking,
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  Speaker 2: reaches around, feels the cell phone, turns it on. It
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  Speaker 2: says no service.
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  Speaker 3: That's a joke, of course, how would you know, How
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  Speaker 3: would you know? Use that would tell the tale I
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  Speaker 3: love it. Yeah, I know, we all have strange, strange
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  Speaker 3: fears of But you know, also Timothy Clark Smith was
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  Speaker 3: a medical doctor, and this was about the time when
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  Speaker 3: embalming started to get to be all the rage. So
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  Speaker 3: there was a whole slew of patented devices to keep
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  Speaker 3: you from being buried alive, like a rope that would
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  Speaker 3: be attached to your hand that would lift a flag
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  Speaker 3: if you pulled it from underground, or a bell where
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  Speaker 3: you could ring the bell to call for help if
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  Speaker 3: you were buried alive. But once embalming became all the fashion,
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  Speaker 3: even regular folks like us started to figure out like, well,
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  Speaker 3: if you've replaced all my blood with, you know, a
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  Speaker 3: cocktail of chemicals. If I wasn't dead before, I probably am.
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  Speaker 2: Now what would you say? Is one of the most
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  Speaker 2: bizarre stories in the book.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so there is an Egyptian prince buried in Vermont.
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  Speaker 3: This prince happened. Yeah, that's that's a that's a great story.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So, so the Egyptian prince died in the year eighteen
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  Speaker 3: eighty six BC and his name was amanhir Kpaeschev. And
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  Speaker 3: what happened is in the late eighteen hundreds. The world
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  Speaker 3: had Egypt fever. As these the pyramids were being unearthed,
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  Speaker 3: and they were unearthing crips, and everybody wanted a mummy.
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  Speaker 3: Mummies were starting to be pulled from the ground and
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  Speaker 3: sent all all over the world. Young emon her Kopachev
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  Speaker 3: was just two years old, and his little carcass was
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  Speaker 3: removed from Egypt and it was put on a boat
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  Speaker 3: and it was sent eventually over to New York, where
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  Speaker 3: then it made its way up to Middlebury, Vermont, to
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  Speaker 3: a guy named Henry Sheldon who had a Vermont history museum.
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  Speaker 3: He wanted a mummy. The thing is, when they were
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  Speaker 3: buried in Egypt, the air is so arid, the ground
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  Speaker 3: is dry. It preserves the mummies. But as soon as
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  Speaker 3: they leave that environment and they get into the moist
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  Speaker 3: air of like an ocean going vessel and so on,
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  Speaker 3: you know, decomposition picks up right where it left off.
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  Speaker 3: And so by the time it got to Middlebury, Vermont,
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  Speaker 3: it was sort of a mess, and Henry Sheldon put
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  Speaker 3: it in the attic and everybody forgot about it for years,
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  Speaker 3: and then he died, and so it was decades later
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  Speaker 3: when the museum curator, George Meade discovered this in the attic,
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  Speaker 3: and it didn't sit right with him. He said, this
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  Speaker 3: is a human being. This is not just some artifact
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  Speaker 3: or something to gauk at. This was a human being.
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  Speaker 3: And so he gave up some of his family plot
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  Speaker 3: space and they agreed, and they buried the remains of
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  Speaker 3: this Egyptian mummy with a headstone with with you know,
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  Speaker 3: some hieroglyphs on it and everything. And so you've got
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  Speaker 3: this ancient Egyptian mummy buried in this sea of cemetery
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  Speaker 3: right in the middle of Vermont.
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  Speaker 2: How many stories do you have in there?
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  Speaker 3: Are one hundred and two?
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  Speaker 2: Fantastic love Yeah, oh.
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  Speaker 3: Gosh, you know, yes, and for so many different reasons.
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  Speaker 3: Like I said, this is this is the weird stuff.
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  Speaker 3: We're living in a time when our towns get to
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: look a lot alike, you know, the box stores and
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: the chain restaurants and the strip malls and so on.
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  Speaker 3: But these legends are what still make our communities unique,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: and we only share them with people we trust. You know,
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: if someone comes to your town and says, oh, you know,
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: what's weird around here, you might look at them a
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: little slant, you know, just cock eyed and say, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not talking about that, but if someone you know
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: approaches and you connect in some way, maybe you would
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  Speaker 3: share it because these are the things that we know.
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  Speaker 3: Some people laugh at us for talking about a haunted
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  Speaker 3: building or a cursed grave or something like that, but
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  Speaker 3: we also know there's something to it, and there's something
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  Speaker 3: to it because these stories endure, they stick around, and
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: no matter what logic may tell you, we still talk
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: about it. I think because someone's still experiencing something.
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