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Scaling AI Rocketships: ElevenLabs’ Mati Staniszewski & Lovable’s Anton Osika

This one’s a treat: two AI-native CEOs building some of the world’s fastest-growing startups from outside of Silicon Valley.

Mati and Anton are navigating a world that’s moving 10X faster than it was when I was CEO of HubSpot. We dig into the realities of what it’s like scaling today: managing co-founder relationships when you're the only person you can complain to, delegating while staying in founder mode, building exec teams that blend experience with homegrown talent, and why lightweight planning rhythms are key when the AI tech stack changes every six months.

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