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Steve Price | 22 November · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve Price. Good evening, Welcome to Friday Night.
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Speaker 2: It's great to be back after celebrating my mum's ninetieth birthday.
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Speaker 2: How wonderful is that in Adelaide last weekend. Had a
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Speaker 2: great time thanks to Caroline Marcus first stepping in and
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Speaker 2: I enjoyed the road trip between Melbourne and Adelaide and
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Speaker 2: back again. Great to see the wheat growers around places
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Speaker 2: like Horsham in the Wimmera crops are all harvested, silos
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Speaker 2: are full and I'm told a bump a season not
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Speaker 2: just in Victoria but in New South Wales as well.
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Speaker 2: I guess we put that down to global warming and
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Speaker 2: climate change. Coming up on the program this Friday, we're
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Speaker 2: going to dig into this idea that Australia's Future Fund
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Speaker 2: could be used to invest in housing and energy projects.
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Speaker 2: The former Treasurer at Wayne Swan thinks it's a good idea,
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Speaker 2: which means it probably isn't. Also on the program tonight.
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Speaker 2: Luckily for me, my children were born just before social
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Speaker 2: media swamped the world and are now well past the
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Speaker 2: age of sixteen. But I've got to say I can't
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Speaker 2: work out how this new social media law for under
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Speaker 2: sixteens will actually work. I'll chat with the panel about that,
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Speaker 2: see if we can work out exactly whether it will work.
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Speaker 2: And Friday regular Australia's most awarded cartoonist Mark Knight, He'll
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Speaker 2: be right here in the studio. He is going to
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Speaker 2: have five of his best from this week. But let's
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Speaker 2: get stuck into it first up. As we all know,
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Speaker 2: history has an uncanny knack of repeating itself. Take this
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Speaker 2: week's shock decision by Federal Treasurer Gentleman Jim Charmers from
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Speaker 2: Queensland that he thinks it would be a good idea
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Speaker 2: to change the priorities of Australia's Future Fund and the
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Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty billion dollars sitting in that war
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Speaker 2: chest now hands up. When any of us had more
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Speaker 2: than a passing thought about the Future Fund, those with
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Speaker 2: long memories and a vague interest in politics and finance
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Speaker 2: would remember it as an offset account, if you like,
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Speaker 2: set up to make sure we could pay the inflated
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Speaker 2: defined benefit pensions of veteran politicians and High Court judges
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Speaker 2: and senior public servants and the like. It was established
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Speaker 2: by the Howard government. They put a sixty billion dollar
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Speaker 2: seed Fund into it from a Costello Peter Costello budget.
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Speaker 2: He went on to chair the fund after he left politics.
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Speaker 2: And given it's turned sixty billion, this is the fund
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Speaker 2: into two hundred and thirty billion, or you'd say, good job,
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Speaker 2: well done. Subsequent labor governments in Canberra think rud Gillard, Rudd. Well,
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Speaker 2: they let the financial experts in charge do their thing.
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Speaker 2: Until now Jim Charmers, in the shadow of an election
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Speaker 2: and the prospect of being the only first term government
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Speaker 2: to lose an election since the nineteen thirties, suddenly thinks
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Speaker 2: he knows better than those investment experts and that perhaps
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Speaker 2: national priorities like housing, green energy products projects and giant
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Speaker 2: infrastructure spends they should be looked at seriously. How is
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Speaker 2: investing in giant infrastructure progress going in Victoria for a
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Speaker 2: labor government. How are large investments in green hydrogen going
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Speaker 2: or the Aussie made solar panels in the Hunter Valley.
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Speaker 2: Then today, of course, outcomes one of our worst ever treasurers,
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Speaker 2: the efore mentioned Wayne Swan on the Today Show saying
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Speaker 2: nothing to see here.
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Speaker 3: The fact is the government has not changed the mandated
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Speaker 3: investment return at all, and that is the critical point.
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Speaker 3: I think Australians want their money invested in this country
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Speaker 3: if they can get the required return. And what's wrong
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Speaker 3: with saying that there are some national priorities. This has
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Speaker 3: just observed political criticism in the lead up to the
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Speaker 3: next election. Nothing more, nothing.
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Speaker 2: Less, good luck with labor getting a guaranteed return. Swan
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Speaker 2: calls criticism of the idea absurd. Nothing wrong with pouring
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Speaker 2: money safely locked away for things like the grid, the
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Speaker 2: energy grid. You know that that's the one. The grid
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Speaker 2: we have to completely rebuild from scratch to connect new
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Speaker 2: wind and solar at the cost of billions of dollars.
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Speaker 2: Great investment. Wayne, If that's such a great idea, why
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Speaker 2: isn't private enterprise, Why aren't they doing it? Or why
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Speaker 2: don't you go to our fund of choice? And come on,
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Speaker 2: who would you believe in talks about a sovereign fund,
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Speaker 2: Wayne Swann or John Howard and Peter Costello. John Howard
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Speaker 2: called the ideal fiscal vandalism. Costello said it wasn't meant
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Speaker 2: to be a political slash fund. Now give me those
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Speaker 2: two any day. I mentioned history repeating itself back in
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Speaker 2: Busted Broke Victoria. During the labor governments of the nineteen eighties,
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Speaker 2: John Kan and Joan kerner Or they funded and established
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Speaker 2: something after the Liberals first set it up, called the VEDC.
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Speaker 2: It was the Victorian Economic Development Fund to tip taxpayer's
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Speaker 2: money into various projects. It went broke, along with many
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Speaker 2: of the companies gifted grants and loans. They approved loans
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Speaker 2: of two hundred and thirty million dollars, which speak money
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Speaker 2: back then, and they then proceeded to write off one
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Speaker 2: hundred and ten million dollars. Victorian labor back then had
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Speaker 2: fifty billion dollars of debt and a two billion dollar
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Speaker 2: interest bill. Does that sound familiar today? The same state Victoria.
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Speaker 2: Just start adding zeros predicted debt this financial year somewhere
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Speaker 2: between one hundred and eighty seven and two hundred billion dollars,
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Speaker 2: with annual interest payments of nine point four billion or
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Speaker 2: and don't fall off your chair, twenty five million dollars
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Speaker 2: a day every day in interest. As I said, history
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Speaker 2: has a very funny way of repeating itself. Well, let's
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Speaker 2: break this down. No better person to talk to than
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Speaker 2: Judo Bank chief economic advisor, our role mate, Warren Hogan. Warren,
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Speaker 2: I mean, labor doesn't really have a great track record
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Speaker 2: of investing these sorts of funds. I mentioned the VEDC.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of what Jim Charmers is announced.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Hi Steve, thanks for having me on the show. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: it's look at such as the Labor Party. Governments generally
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Speaker 4: don't and particularly when the decisions are made behind closed doors,
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Speaker 4: which many of these so called industry policy decisions are.
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Speaker 4: So look, I'm a bit concerned about the precedent it
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Speaker 4: sets and the direction It.
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Speaker 5: Looks reasonably harmless.
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Speaker 4: That is this investment mandate defined as what they've got
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Speaker 4: to return that's four to five over CPI plus these
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Speaker 4: areas of national priority, some of which they're already investing in.
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Speaker 5: But where does that go next?
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Speaker 4: So it isn't a great sort of trajectory that is
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Speaker 4: government directing resources in our economy where we've had forty
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Speaker 4: years where we know that that is not the way
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Speaker 4: to do it. That the private sector is best placed
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Speaker 4: to know where to direct resources.
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Speaker 2: If there are things to invest in projects, whether they
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Speaker 2: be big infrastructure or as Charmers mentioned, housing, and you've
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Speaker 2: got to guaranteed for five percent return, wouldn't private enterprise
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Speaker 2: be doing that investing?
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Speaker 4: Well, they most likely would, although there are some examples
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Speaker 4: where that may not be the case. And of course
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Speaker 4: the Future Funders said that they will still have the
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Speaker 4: primary judgment around investing as the risk adjusted return, but
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Speaker 4: you know that's a bit ambiguous too. So look, I
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Speaker 4: think the issue here is what is the Future Fund
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Speaker 4: for and is it to be used as a way
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Speaker 4: to direct resources to the government of the day's long
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Speaker 4: term desires And that seems to be where we're going,
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Speaker 4: and I don't think it is what it was set
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Speaker 4: up for at all, and that's the contradiction. But more
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Speaker 4: generally speaking, we don't want governments with industry policy making
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Speaker 4: decisions on investments in the cabinet room.
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Speaker 5: You know, I think there.
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Speaker 4: Is a role for industry policy, but it's got to
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Speaker 4: be transparent, it's got to be clear objectives, and the
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Speaker 4: private sector's got to be involved in the governance of it.
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Speaker 4: And that is not what we're seeing from this government.
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Speaker 4: We're seeing the cabinet leading the way and decisions being
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Speaker 4: made out of the blue.
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Speaker 2: And of course now we have I mean, I'm sure
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Speaker 2: he's doing a good job, but we've got in charge
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Speaker 2: of this Greg Combo, former boss of the ACTU, obviously
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Speaker 2: a labor politician. I mean, can we trust that board
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Speaker 2: that now runs the Future Fund to run it the
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Speaker 2: way it's been run. I mean, with your assessment, Warren b.
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Speaker 2: Turning sixty billion into two hundred and eighty billion over
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Speaker 2: what is it, twenty years is not a bad result.
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Speaker 5: It's an exceptional result.
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Speaker 4: And part of it is because the Future Fund has
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Speaker 4: been able to go and hire some of the best
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Speaker 4: people in the investment business, and you see it in
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Speaker 4: the returns, you see it in their way they talk
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Speaker 4: about what they're doing, and it's all part of a
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Speaker 4: culture that's been put together in the Future Fund over
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Speaker 4: this period of over ten years of excellence. And of
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Speaker 4: course that's the thing that's at risk. It is if
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Speaker 4: you do have a fundamental change in the way the
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Speaker 4: board interferes with the management and the staff of the
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Speaker 4: Future Fund, then that can undermine not only the good
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Speaker 4: culture and the good decisions that come with it, but
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Speaker 4: it could see the loss of good quality people. And
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Speaker 4: the Future Fund has been attracting some of the best
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Speaker 4: in the world to come and work for them.
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Speaker 2: So to listen to Jim Chalmers, he's defended this idea today,
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Speaker 2: have a listen.
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Speaker 6: There will always be people who pretend that the economy
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Speaker 6: is exactly as it was in two thousand and six,
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Speaker 6: or that the opportunities and challenges in our economy aren't evolving.
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Speaker 6: It's not especially unusual in the international context for governments
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Speaker 6: to communicate their economic priorities and ask that sovereign wealth
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Speaker 6: funds factor that into their decision making Warren.
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Speaker 2: It sets up an interesting argument, doesn't it in the
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Speaker 2: election campaign that might be March or May, because the
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Speaker 2: opposition's already said we're not going to change it, We're
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Speaker 2: going to leave it as it is. It's a bit rich,
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Speaker 2: is it not of charmers to make the argument that, ah, well,
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Speaker 2: all the opposition to doing is wanting to stay how
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Speaker 2: it was and it will always be that way. But
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Speaker 2: you and I have said they've done a pretty good job,
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Speaker 2: so why fix something that's not busted.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think that's very good point, because the
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Speaker 4: Future funder has done a great job, as we've talked about.
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Speaker 4: But it actually is this broader issue of industry policy
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Speaker 4: and about the deployment of government resources to support ostensibly
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Speaker 4: the private sector and the building out of priorities, whether
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Speaker 4: it's around energy or other important industry, food and grocery.
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Speaker 4: There's a whole range of different critical industries we can
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Speaker 4: talk about. But the issue is is the governance structures
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Speaker 4: around it and how you do it.
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Speaker 5: And you need to have this directed.
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Speaker 4: Not by cabinet, not by the Treasurer of the PM's offers,
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Speaker 4: but by an independent, transparent process made up a private sector,
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Speaker 4: but bureaucrats the lot and that's the issue at stake
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Speaker 4: here and I think that's the issue that needs to
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Speaker 4: be debated. I think we need to do industry policy.
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Speaker 4: We need to be modest and we need but we
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Speaker 4: need to be transparent. And unfortunately what we see with
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Speaker 4: the Future Made Australia and this decision on the Future Fund,
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Speaker 4: I don't think it's transparent.
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Speaker 2: I you know, you don't have to look fard to
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Speaker 2: see a labor government that can't manage money. The Attorney
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Speaker 2: in Victoria today the independent report out looking at Victoria's debt,
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Speaker 2: suggesting it's going to be somewhere between one hundred and
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Speaker 2: eighty seven and two hundred billion dollars by the end
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Speaker 2: of the financial year twenty five and that's going to
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Speaker 2: include Victorian taxpayer is paying twenty five million dollars a
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Speaker 2: day Warren just in interest. I mean, those figures are
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Speaker 2: just mind blowing.
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Speaker 1: They are.
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Speaker 4: And we've come from a world where our states had
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Speaker 4: extraordinarily strong balance sheet. It's very low debt and the
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Speaker 4: capacity to invest. And of course if they're investing in
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Speaker 4: infrastructure and things that will deliver a stronger and bigger
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Speaker 4: economy and the tax revenues that come with it, then
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Speaker 4: it's fine. But the problem is in the Victorian's case,
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Speaker 4: only some of this debt and these deficits are being
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Speaker 4: driven by investment. The problem we've got in this country
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Speaker 4: is that the size of government is to put it
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Speaker 4: a no simpler way out of control. And this isn't
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Speaker 4: about investment. This is the recurren spending of government, and
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Speaker 4: this is where you do not get a return over
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Speaker 4: the long term and you end up with the potential
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Speaker 4: for a debt crisis, higher interest rates, weaker currency and
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Speaker 4: of course inflation could also be part of this. So
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Speaker 4: I think the Victorian government's really done its dash and
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Speaker 4: they're going to have to consolidate, which means they're not
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Speaker 4: going to be investing once this wave of infrastructure projects
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Speaker 4: has been done at the very least and let's hope
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Speaker 4: we don't get them to any trouble as well, with
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Speaker 4: a financial crisis around the world making it hard for
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Speaker 4: them to fund that debt.
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Speaker 2: I was talking to a senior coalition politician in Victoria
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Speaker 2: and they're very fearful that the ratings agencies Warren are
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Speaker 2: going to again downgrade Victoria. What would that mean if
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Speaker 2: Victoria's already paying twenty six million a day off on
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Speaker 2: the debt would what does a downgrade do to that repayment?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well it does. It pushes up the cost of money.
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Speaker 4: And the reality is the financial markets where the Victorian
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Speaker 4: government raises that money that debt is already doing it
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Speaker 4: and it costs the Victorian people more to raise money
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Speaker 4: than it would if they had lower debt. So if
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Speaker 4: you get a formal downgrade, that adds to that momentum
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Speaker 4: for higher interest rates on Victorian government debt and a
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Speaker 4: higher interest bill. And of course eventually there's a tipping point,
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Speaker 4: which may or may not occur, but if it does,
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Speaker 4: that's where you get the crisis point. And Victoria has
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Speaker 4: seen this before and they have to go back to
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Speaker 4: the early nineties for the kind of trouble they got themselves.
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Speaker 5: Into then.
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Speaker 1: Just finally interest rate cut. What month.
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Speaker 4: There's no interest rate cut, Steve, I don't know why
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Speaker 4: this country is fascinating with interest rate cuts. The interest
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Speaker 4: rate in this economy is not high enough to deal
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Speaker 4: with the inflation we've got, and this government's very lucky
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Speaker 4: we haven't had a hike. The RBA is showing extreme patients,
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Speaker 4: so there's no cut, and if we do get one,
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Speaker 4: it won't be for at least a year.
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Speaker 5: The risk of courses at the Reserve Bank may have
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Speaker 5: to raise rates.
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Speaker 4: Sometime next year because the inflation's too high, the government
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Speaker 4: spending too much money, and this cost of living crisis
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Speaker 4: won't go away with this level of interest rates.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not great Friday news for us, but always
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Speaker 2: a pleasure to catch up with you, Warren. Warren Hogan
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Speaker 2: there from, of course, joining us, telling us not any
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Speaker 2: good use. Sadly, let's go to Queensland now suspended Townsville
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Speaker 2: mirror up there but called Troy Thompson. This is the
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Speaker 2: guy who wants to clear his name after the state
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Speaker 2: governments spended him for a year.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: Thompson is the subject of a Crime and Corruption Commission
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Speaker 2: investigation into whether he misled voters during the election period
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Speaker 2: about his military history. Let Spring and Spring of the
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Speaker 2: military our Friday regular form of Queensland Premier Campbell Newman,
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Speaker 2: someone who was a member of the military. What do
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Speaker 2: you make some sense of this all for me? What's
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Speaker 2: going on in Townsville?
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Speaker 7: Well, it's quite extraordinary, Steve, just recapping, as you've said,
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Speaker 7: We've had an election for local government across Queensland in
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Speaker 7: March this year.
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Speaker 8: This gentleman has been elected.
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Speaker 7: Subsequently, there's been criticism and accusations that a whole range
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Speaker 7: of things that he said in terms of his CV
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Speaker 7: weren't actually true. That's the allegation, and there's been in
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Speaker 7: the Townsville community huge backlash. I think the politics of
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Speaker 7: it are pretty clear that my understanding is that people
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Speaker 7: really don't think this bloke should be fulfilling the old
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Speaker 7: I'm just expressing the opinion I've heard from many locals.
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Speaker 8: Now the question is what do you do about it?
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Speaker 1: Now?
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Speaker 7: The former Labor government sort of agonized over the whole thing,
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Speaker 7: and there was a Crime and Corruption Commission investigation is
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Speaker 7: supposedly happening. But then in the last sort of forty
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Speaker 7: eight hours, the Minister for local government here has announced
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Speaker 7: that he has voluntarily sort of gone into this sort
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Speaker 7: of suspension for twelve months. But you know what, they're
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Speaker 7: going to pay him two hundred and fifty grand to
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Speaker 7: not be the mayor for a year. I mean, go
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Speaker 7: figure that, mate. Look, I think frankly, and it would
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Speaker 7: have been expensive, but the government probably should have introduced
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Speaker 7: special legislation amend of the Local Government Act and actually
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Speaker 7: had another election in Townsville, at least for the mayor,
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Speaker 7: if not for the whole council. Sorry you counselors, that
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Speaker 7: you'd be dragged into that. But at least then democracy
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Speaker 7: has served. The people get to actually have a say
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Speaker 7: about who they really want their city to lead their
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Speaker 7: city and Townsville is a very important regional city in
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Speaker 7: this nation and they deserve to have a clear direction
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Speaker 7: over the next twelve months, not be in some sort
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Speaker 7: of limbo land.
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Speaker 2: Well, he's denied any wrongdoing, but I mean you think
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Speaker 2: about it. I mean, you've spent your time in the military.
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Speaker 1: I mean.
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Speaker 2: In a garrison town like Townsville, that's probably one of
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Speaker 2: the worst things you could potentially do.
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Speaker 1: If indeed that's what he's done.
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Speaker 7: Well, look, that's exactly that the point stave that there
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Speaker 7: is very strong negative sentiment towards him in Townsville. And
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Speaker 7: by the way, David christ of Foley, the Premier, who
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Speaker 7: comes from that part of the world, said a quote
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Speaker 7: in the paper has said that the mayor's position was untenable.
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Speaker 7: I would agree with that, and I think that's where
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Speaker 7: the former Labor government were. But why do you let
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Speaker 7: someone have a twelve month sort of suspension sent to
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Speaker 7: the back bench if you like, you know, sent to
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Speaker 7: the into the bleachers the buck, but you're pay them
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Speaker 7: a quarter of a million dollars to do that. While
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Speaker 7: they're don't like it's is it untenable or not? I mean, like,
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Speaker 7: I just think it's it's really strange the way that
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Speaker 7: they're dealing with this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and especially given that they're a new government and
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Speaker 2: they can, you know, you can be seen to be
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Speaker 2: tough on issues like that and just get on with it.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of that, you know, they've done some digging around
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Speaker 2: now and surprise, surprise, and incoming government finds, oh well,
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Speaker 2: we've got staggering cost blowouts on six major Queensland health projects.
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Speaker 2: Taxpayers are going to bear the brunt of it. One
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Speaker 2: point thirty seven billion dollar increase on the stealthily disguised
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Speaker 2: works by Labor. No one should be surprised that you're
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Speaker 2: going to find this stuff buried away.
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Speaker 1: You're just not surprised by that, are you.
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Speaker 7: Well, I'm not surprised. And it was particularly deceitful because
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Speaker 7: it was portrayed prior to the election as sort of
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Speaker 7: enhancements in the scope of these various hospitals around the state.
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Speaker 7: And what we find is that yes, there might be
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Speaker 7: a kitchen here or some administrative bit there, bolt on,
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Speaker 7: but it actually in terms of medical clinical outcomes, you know,
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Speaker 7: more beds, etc.
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Speaker 8: You can forget that, Steve. And why has it happened?
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Speaker 7: It's because of this sweetheart wrought deal that we've spoken
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Speaker 7: about on this program in the past, which is this
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Speaker 7: thing called BEEPIC Rest Practice Industry Code or Conditions, which
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Speaker 7: is really really a sort of an anagram for great
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Speaker 7: Big CFME. You wrought a dirty deal between the Labor
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Speaker 7: Party and the CFMEU to feather bed construction projects across
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Speaker 7: Queens and which leads to terrible productivity and has seen
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Speaker 7: all sorts of government project costs just go through the roof.
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Speaker 7: And one of the great things that are Christo Foley
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Speaker 7: Government's done in the last two weeks is actually that's it,
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Speaker 7: no more b pick. We need to actually get control
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Speaker 7: of how these projects are delivered.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got real doubts about the crackdown on the
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Speaker 2: CFMU anywhere. I'm just not sure it's actually happening. Let's
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Speaker 2: go federal. I know you're a great defender of freedom
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Speaker 2: of speech. This misinformation bill the government's tried to ram
20:21
Speaker 2: through the Senate looks like the Greens are not going
20:24
Speaker 2: to vote for it and the Coalition is certainly not
20:26
Speaker 2: going to vote for it, so it won't get up.
20:28
Speaker 2: But when you look through the detail of what detail
20:32
Speaker 2: there is, there's really major questions surrounding the effect on
20:36
Speaker 2: free speech. And I'm giving someone like Akma the job
20:40
Speaker 2: of explaining or deciding what is acceptable information and what
20:46
Speaker 2: is disinformation.
20:47
Speaker 1: I don't have it. They ever thought they were going
20:48
Speaker 1: to get away with this.
20:51
Speaker 7: Well, Steve, they almost did, because of course it has
20:54
Speaker 7: passed the lower House and has gone through to the Senate.
20:58
Speaker 7: And thank goodness that the Coalition finally clearly said what
21:04
Speaker 7: they stood for and they were going to oppose, and
21:06
Speaker 7: then successively we saw a series of independent senators come
21:13
Speaker 7: on board, and now the Greens for frankly fairly dubious
21:18
Speaker 7: reasons because they actually fundamentally they actually do support this legislation.
21:24
Speaker 7: But we got to a point where it looks like
21:26
Speaker 7: it's going to go down. But it's also interesting to
21:29
Speaker 7: note some last few hours it's appeared in the Australian
21:33
Speaker 7: newspaper that the United States and the new administration, senior
21:38
Speaker 7: figures in the new administration to.
21:40
Speaker 8: Come in January.
21:42
Speaker 7: The Trump administration is saying that they're deeply concerned about
21:45
Speaker 7: Australia being trying to Australia trying to censor the Internet globally.
21:50
Speaker 8: And that is true.
21:51
Speaker 7: And I just say this, and I've never said anything
21:55
Speaker 7: like this in my life before, but if this had
21:58
Speaker 7: got up, I'd be on your program calling for the
22:02
Speaker 7: Trump administration to put extreme pressure on our own government.
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Speaker 8: To actually get this overturn. It's that bad. It is sinister,
22:10
Speaker 8: it is Orwellian. It is the building. It is one
22:13
Speaker 8: of the building blocks of the police state. It never
22:15
Speaker 8: should have been put up.
22:17
Speaker 7: And if I just segue quickly, just as bad almost
22:20
Speaker 7: as this under sixteen social media ban, because what that
22:24
Speaker 7: means it's not just about kids under sixteen.
22:27
Speaker 8: It means that all of us must be ideed.
22:29
Speaker 7: If we want to have a social media account, no anonymity,
22:33
Speaker 7: no ability to actually have a potshot at a politician
22:37
Speaker 7: or a public figure and actually be anonymous. And when
22:41
Speaker 7: I post on the Internet, I get a torrent of abuse.
22:45
Speaker 7: And I have never sought to find silence my attractive.
22:49
Speaker 1: So it's good.
22:50
Speaker 7: So it's good enough for me, good enough for you, mate.
22:52
Speaker 7: Then look we can all live with it. We can
22:54
Speaker 7: be grown up, so we can be robust. We don't
22:56
Speaker 7: need this sort of law in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Cam when you mean, I share your views on both
23:02
Speaker 2: of those things. We'll talk about a panel about the
23:04
Speaker 2: under sixteen issue in social media. Thank you mate, I'll
23:06
Speaker 2: see you next week coming up after the break. It's
23:09
Speaker 2: been a massive week of headlines and who better to
23:12
Speaker 2: break it down for us than Australia's most awarded and
23:15
Speaker 2: favorite cartoonist, Mark Night. He joins me in the studio next,
23:19
Speaker 2: plus Chris Bowen's nuclear embarrassment that's put Australia last in
23:23
Speaker 2: the global energy race.
23:25
Speaker 1: All to come.
23:29
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. Steve Price with you on
23:31
Speaker 2: a Friday night. That wouldn't be Friday without our next
23:34
Speaker 2: special guest. It's been another huge week of news. We've
23:37
Speaker 2: got the headlines, you've got the stories, you've got the
23:39
Speaker 2: opinion pieces written by boring people like me. But you'd
23:43
Speaker 2: much rather go through the week with our favorite cartoonists,
23:46
Speaker 2: the most awarded cardshoonest in Australia. I was about to
23:49
Speaker 2: say the World Mark, Knight and.
23:51
Speaker 1: Universe a little bit of exaggeration. There's nothing wrong with that.
23:54
Speaker 1: Sound like Donald Trump.
23:55
Speaker 2: You are on fire, my friend, because you've got so
23:58
Speaker 2: many great characters to draw. I mean, you know, when
24:02
Speaker 2: Trump gets re elected, you go, oh, thank you.
24:05
Speaker 1: That team he was putting together. I did a cartoon
24:08
Speaker 1: this week. We may show it, and I just put
24:10
Speaker 1: them all on the back of Elon's cyber truck and
24:14
Speaker 1: they're just on a hay ride to Hell to to Washington.
24:19
Speaker 2: Here were going to start with, So that's the cyber
24:22
Speaker 2: truck that Elon tries to flog around the world.
24:25
Speaker 1: That's right, yes, quite well. You've got the statue of
24:30
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a three seed the mark all
24:32
Speaker 1: it is now and she's up the big well in
24:36
Speaker 1: the back of course, you've got Bobby Kennedy Junior and
24:40
Speaker 1: the other bloke, Matt Gates. He actually fell out of
24:43
Speaker 1: the truck today. Before he jumped out, I had a
24:47
Speaker 1: bit of a strange background. He's an interesting I was
24:49
Speaker 1: hoping he was going to get up because he was
24:51
Speaker 1: just the material on him would be incredible. But that's great.
24:54
Speaker 1: I mean, Elon's giving you an extra edge there. Now
24:57
Speaker 1: the future Fund.
24:58
Speaker 2: We've got gentleman Jim Arms, and he's suggesting that Peter
25:02
Speaker 2: Costello's future Fund that's gone from sixty billion to two
25:06
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty billion. Yep, he might get his hands
25:08
Speaker 2: on it. You portrayed, am I seeing Raiders of the
25:12
Speaker 2: Lost Arch here?
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Speaker 1: Well, when I heard about you know, when you get
25:16
Speaker 1: these ideas for cartoons, you hear a word, and I
25:19
Speaker 1: heard the word raid and I just went bing that
25:21
Speaker 1: and it works. That whole cartoon just drew itself in
25:24
Speaker 1: about one word, a one word in a nanosecond in
25:27
Speaker 1: my brain and I just had to copy it down yesterday.
25:29
Speaker 1: But yeah, look there he is. There's the golden idol
25:32
Speaker 1: that how many billion did you say? Well, it started
25:35
Speaker 1: at sixty it's now two hundred and eighty billion. Okay,
25:37
Speaker 1: so you want to get your hell. Yeah, and as
25:41
Speaker 1: we know in the movie, when he took the idol
25:43
Speaker 1: off the stand, what happened, Well, you know that may happen.
25:46
Speaker 1: Remember what happened, Well, everything came crashing down.
25:52
Speaker 2: Your other big cuts in this week featured my favorite
25:56
Speaker 2: former Prime minister Kevin Rudd.
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Speaker 1: Oh you know, I've had a bit of time together.
26:00
Speaker 1: Thank god, Kevin's back. Kevin's back, and you drew him
26:04
Speaker 1: with a he's got his foot in his mouth that
26:08
Speaker 1: he had a habit of just mouthing off about Donald Trump.
26:11
Speaker 1: I think he thought Donald Trump was washed up and
26:13
Speaker 1: finished so he could go for health leg idiot. Yeah,
26:17
Speaker 1: And now unfortunately Donald Trump is the president elect and
26:22
Speaker 1: Kevin's going to have to work very closely with him.
26:24
Speaker 1: Can you imagine being in the room the first time
26:26
Speaker 1: Kevin wanders into the over office, say can we have
26:29
Speaker 1: a chat about it? Aucas? And then really they'll be
26:31
Speaker 1: on hands and knees. You know, Trump was talking to
26:34
Speaker 1: his chief of staff there she's in, yes, a new boss,
26:37
Speaker 1: and he's asking her what, well, yes she is, I
26:41
Speaker 1: guess interpreting Kevin with his foot in his mouth what
26:44
Speaker 1: he's actually saying which is Kevin's great line. I'm Kevin
26:47
Speaker 1: and I'm here to help.
26:48
Speaker 2: And of course Donald Trump, when asked by Nigel Garage
26:51
Speaker 2: about what some of thinks Kevin had said, Donald Trump's
26:55
Speaker 2: quote was, I don't think he's the brightest.
26:57
Speaker 1: Bolb No, so that's going to go now.
27:01
Speaker 2: Anthony Aberanezi, he's been on the jet again. He's over
27:04
Speaker 2: in Peru and then he went to Rio de Janeiro
27:07
Speaker 2: G twenty. He's had a bit of a meeting with G.
27:09
Speaker 2: How have you loved the panda?
27:15
Speaker 1: The gentle panda? But let me tell you, pandas have claws,
27:18
Speaker 1: and Australia has been on the receiving end of the
27:20
Speaker 1: pandas clause when it ripped away all our exports. What
27:24
Speaker 1: is twenty billion in exp red wine, red wine, all
27:27
Speaker 1: that beef. But now we're the best of friends. But
27:30
Speaker 1: as you can see in the cartoon, Albow is bearing
27:33
Speaker 1: the scars of our sort of downtime relationship with China.
27:36
Speaker 1: But it's all good now, apparently, and we're back to
27:39
Speaker 1: a big, cuddly panda bear. Albo seems to be shrinking
27:42
Speaker 1: in size the more time you drawing. I'm just mirroring
27:46
Speaker 1: his opinion polls.
27:48
Speaker 2: There was a very serious one this week. I thought
27:50
Speaker 2: it was absolutely outrageous that the window launches for kiddies
27:55
Speaker 2: for Christmas. The pro Palestinian protests, so they turn up
28:00
Speaker 2: and stopped that from happening.
28:02
Speaker 1: That's brilliant, Thank you mate. The Grnch, I mean the
28:06
Speaker 1: grinch in a Kefia I thought was a good look,
28:09
Speaker 1: because who hassles innocent children in looking into my Christmas
28:16
Speaker 1: window and say that they are unsympathetic and unsensitive to
28:20
Speaker 1: kids in Gaza? I mean, how dumb is that?
28:24
Speaker 2: It is pretty dumb. And the final one the V exams.
28:27
Speaker 2: This is a particularly good story broken by Susio Brian
28:30
Speaker 2: and the hero Ripper story where it turns out that
28:33
Speaker 2: the practice notes the same as the exam.
28:38
Speaker 1: What have we got here? I can't read that? Well?
28:40
Speaker 1: This is the kids in the examination room. And of
28:43
Speaker 1: course one is saying even before we start, I think
28:46
Speaker 1: I know who's failed their VC exam this year, and
28:48
Speaker 1: of course it was the Victorian Curriculum authority. They failed
28:53
Speaker 1: big time and she resigned. Kylie did yeah.
28:57
Speaker 2: And my column this week's about the demise of the
28:59
Speaker 2: talk radio giants, Laws and Jones and Hadley and Ripping column,
29:04
Speaker 2: rad and Neil Mitchell, a lot of them.
29:07
Speaker 1: I couldn't but help not draw Alan Jones for this column.
29:10
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet, but are going to be impressed.
29:13
Speaker 1: It's a bit of fun. Great to see you. Good
29:15
Speaker 1: on your buddy.
29:16
Speaker 2: You to see you soon. Mark Knight, make sure you
29:17
Speaker 2: catch him in the Herald Sun. Now still to come
29:20
Speaker 2: on the program tonight. What is Labour's problem with nuclear energy?
29:23
Speaker 2: The message from the COP twenty nine on the power
29:26
Speaker 2: source was clear, but somehow Australia just doesn't get it.
29:30
Speaker 2: Shadow Environment Minister John o'dunham. He'll join me next plus
29:33
Speaker 2: later with my panel. Kyle Sandlands, he's at it again.
29:36
Speaker 2: He's bragged about how he can broadcast explicit, filthy, rotten,
29:40
Speaker 2: awful content on breakfast radio. All that's still to come.
29:48
Speaker 2: Steve Price with you, Welcome back. Great to be with
29:50
Speaker 2: you on a Friday night. Tanika de Giorgio coming up
29:53
Speaker 2: at the top of the hour and I'll have the
29:55
Speaker 2: panel coming up shortly. I want to have a really good,
29:58
Speaker 2: long discussion about this side that you can ban under
30:01
Speaker 2: sixteen year olds from all sorts of social media. I
30:04
Speaker 2: just don't know how it can work, and I just
30:06
Speaker 2: wonder whether it's not the shouldn't it be the parents
30:10
Speaker 2: who are controlling what the kids see you and do
30:13
Speaker 2: on social media?
30:13
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm out of touch.
30:14
Speaker 2: Maybe you know, my children are older than this and
30:17
Speaker 2: I don't have to deal with it. But we'll talk
30:19
Speaker 2: to the panel about that. But thanks to labor, Australia
30:22
Speaker 2: is now falling behind as we know in the global
30:24
Speaker 2: energy race. Now, Chris Bowen, Environment Minister, flew over there
30:28
Speaker 2: on the government jet. Presumably he was at top twenty nine.
30:32
Speaker 2: He was at these talks this week. Now, our climate
30:35
Speaker 2: warrior rejected a nuclear energy pact with our Orchestral Eyes
30:39
Speaker 2: and thirty other countries. They all signed up. We said no, no,
30:42
Speaker 2: not for us. It's been labeled an embarrassment. Joining me
30:45
Speaker 2: now a shadow Environment Minister, Jonathan Dunham, Great to see
30:50
Speaker 2: you again. What's Chris Bowen know that the rest of
30:53
Speaker 2: us don't.
30:56
Speaker 9: Well, I think he knows how to ideologically pursue green
31:00
Speaker 9: votes at the expense of good common sense policy.
31:03
Speaker 1: I think that's what he knows.
31:04
Speaker 9: Steve and frankly we're the ones who are going to
31:06
Speaker 9: be paying the price. I mean, talk about cutting your
31:08
Speaker 9: nose off to spite your face when it comes to
31:11
Speaker 9: having all tools at your disposal to do the right
31:14
Speaker 9: thing by the people you represent. Goes to Kopp stands
31:18
Speaker 9: in the corner while everyone else gets about their business
31:20
Speaker 9: and signs up to good common sense policy, and we
31:23
Speaker 9: reject it for reasons that remain unknown to us. Spurious
31:27
Speaker 9: evidence which is selective and incomplete around what they claim
31:32
Speaker 9: to be the cost of nuclear. And we will have
31:35
Speaker 9: more to say about what we believe to be the
31:36
Speaker 9: cost of nuclear in the near future, and I think
31:38
Speaker 9: your views will be very interested in the facts around
31:41
Speaker 9: the matter as opposed to what labor are saying. All
31:43
Speaker 9: the while, our omissions are going up. So our climate warrior,
31:46
Speaker 9: Chris Bowen has failed that his core task are bringing
31:50
Speaker 9: emissions down. And people are paying more than a thousand
31:53
Speaker 9: bucks on average per power bill than they were when
31:57
Speaker 9: they came to government. So he's failing on all counts
31:59
Speaker 9: and he's doing doing nothing about it except pursuing green
32:02
Speaker 9: votes at the expense of everyone's power bills.
32:06
Speaker 2: Well, forgive the pun, but the embarrassment went nuclear because
32:10
Speaker 2: his counterpart from the UK, I think John ed Milliband
32:14
Speaker 2: actually had us signed up to this thing when he
32:17
Speaker 2: announced it and then had to withdraw that statement because
32:21
Speaker 2: Chris Bohen said, no, no, mate, we don't want to
32:23
Speaker 2: have anything to do with this.
32:27
Speaker 9: It's a concern when an extremely left wing UK government
32:32
Speaker 9: thought that perhaps the Australian Labor Party might be okay
32:35
Speaker 9: with this, and then learnt that perhaps even albow and
32:38
Speaker 9: Bowen were further to the left on this issue and
32:41
Speaker 9: lacking any common sense at all. I reckon, I am
32:43
Speaker 9: pretty surprised when that happened, but again, what an embarrassment.
32:47
Speaker 9: We are a developed nation and we should be doing
32:50
Speaker 9: the best we can to drive down power prices to
32:52
Speaker 9: attract investments so people do things like manufacture here and
32:56
Speaker 9: people can pay their power bills. Ed Milliban gets it,
32:59
Speaker 9: kir Star seems to get it. But Anthony Albernezi and
33:03
Speaker 9: Chris Bowen and the rest of the Green Zealots in
33:05
Speaker 9: this government that are driving our economy to ruin just don't.
33:09
Speaker 7: Well.
33:09
Speaker 2: I think you know, normal Australians when they hear this,
33:12
Speaker 2: they go, well, hang on a minute. We've got a
33:14
Speaker 2: nuclear reactor at Lucas Heights which does medical work. We've
33:18
Speaker 2: signed up to an agreement where we're going to service
33:21
Speaker 2: nuclear powered submarines, And you had Anthony Alberansi and Richard
33:27
Speaker 2: Miles in Perth launching that saying, oh, well, we've just
33:30
Speaker 2: had a tour of one of these nuclear subs. They're fantastic.
33:34
Speaker 2: They're going to form the backbone of the defense of
33:36
Speaker 2: our country. You're going to have, presumably at some point,
33:39
Speaker 2: John O, either in your harbor, down in Hobart or
33:42
Speaker 2: in Sydney Harbor, one of these nuclear submarines parked there.
33:46
Speaker 2: What would sign in that piece of paper would have
33:49
Speaker 2: actually what difference would it actually have made.
33:54
Speaker 9: Well, other than it would contradict their absolute ideological opposition
34:01
Speaker 9: to nuclear because they've said, no, we're definitely not going
34:05
Speaker 9: to do it. It's off the table. We're not pursuing
34:07
Speaker 9: it for a range of spurious reasons that actually don't
34:09
Speaker 9: stand up to scrutiny. So they want it to be
34:12
Speaker 9: at least consistent in their idiocy. But the fact is,
34:16
Speaker 9: as you say, look at Orcust, look at what the
34:19
Speaker 9: subs actually tangibly mean, we are going to have members
34:22
Speaker 9: of our navy sleeping next to, in effect, nuclear reactors
34:27
Speaker 9: for long periods of time defending our marine borders, maritime borders.
34:33
Speaker 9: And that's okay. And as you say, they'll be tying
34:35
Speaker 9: up at the harbor here in Hobart to resupply, and
34:39
Speaker 9: as they patrol around the country other harbors in other
34:41
Speaker 9: major population centers, that's fine. But in terms of generating
34:45
Speaker 9: energy for domestic consumption and manufacturing, etc. Somehow there is
34:51
Speaker 9: some ideological line you cannot cross. And it doesn't make sense.
34:55
Speaker 9: Even my kids get it. So they're not even out
34:57
Speaker 9: of high school yet. So I don't know what our
34:59
Speaker 9: prime minister, and is any gy minister and the entire
35:01
Speaker 9: cabinet are doing other than driving us to ruin.
35:05
Speaker 2: Still on green energy, John, we've got the leading energy expert,
35:09
Speaker 2: this guy, Matt Rennie. The government's renewable energy plan. He
35:13
Speaker 2: says could cost more than wait for it, six hundred
35:17
Speaker 2: billion dollars as delays, you know, plague the path to
35:22
Speaker 2: net zero. I mean, that's a huge cost. But we
35:25
Speaker 2: still have Anthony Obneasy and Chris Bowen and all of
35:29
Speaker 2: the rest of them say, oh, nuclear is too expensive,
35:31
Speaker 2: we can't go down that track. It's no good.
35:36
Speaker 1: Yeah.
35:37
Speaker 9: So this is exactly right. And so the Frontier Economics Report,
35:40
Speaker 9: which revealed this additional five hundred billion dollars half a
35:44
Speaker 9: trillion dollars of expenditure associated with their transition to renewables,
35:50
Speaker 9: which isn't going to be paid for by the money
35:53
Speaker 9: tree down the bottom of the garden near the unicorn paddock.
35:55
Speaker 9: He's going to be paid for by the users of
35:57
Speaker 9: the electricity system in our country, your viewers, my family,
36:02
Speaker 9: all of us. We're going to pay that bill. It's
36:05
Speaker 9: ridiculous that they think we can just suck that up
36:07
Speaker 9: and that they don't need to be honest about it.
36:10
Speaker 9: Yet this week in the Senate where I was, you
36:12
Speaker 9: had ministers sprooking cheapest cleanest available form of energy the
36:18
Speaker 9: renewable grid. Now, yeah, sure, I get the point. We
36:20
Speaker 9: don't have to pay for the sun to generate solar
36:22
Speaker 9: and wind to generate wind, but you've got to erect
36:25
Speaker 9: the infrastructure to generate the panels and the windmills. Then
36:29
Speaker 9: you've got to have the infrastructure to get it to
36:31
Speaker 9: where you need it, and that comes at great cost
36:33
Speaker 9: as well. Hence this five hundred billion dollar additional on
36:36
Speaker 9: top of the one twenty so over six hundred billion
36:38
Speaker 9: dollars in cost which they've hidden from Australian so they're
36:42
Speaker 9: not being honest about it, as you say. They point
36:44
Speaker 9: out that nuclear has a cost attached, but they won't
36:48
Speaker 9: be honest about their own costings, which is just duplicitous.
36:54
Speaker 1: John. I don't know why, but I was listening to
36:56
Speaker 1: ABC News radio this morning.
36:57
Speaker 2: I heard a story about how the New South Wales
37:00
Speaker 2: wheat crop is a record yield and they're getting huge
37:04
Speaker 2: amounts of money for the quality of the wheat. I
37:06
Speaker 2: did a road trip between Melbourne and Adelaide and back
37:09
Speaker 2: last week through the Wimmera Horsham.
37:12
Speaker 1: All the silos full.
37:13
Speaker 2: There was wheat everywhere, trucks everywhere. Must be global warming
37:17
Speaker 2: or climate changement.
37:22
Speaker 9: Well maybe there's a benefit to these sorts of things.
37:25
Speaker 9: I mean, if you do listen to the zelots out there,
37:28
Speaker 9: of course, and I oven heard I think Nick McKim
37:30
Speaker 9: refer to the planet being baked just this week in
37:34
Speaker 9: the Senate, the Green senator from Tasmania. I mean, this ridiculous,
37:38
Speaker 9: alarmist language is if we're not going to be able
37:40
Speaker 9: to grow vegetables and crops to feed ourselves, that livestock
37:44
Speaker 9: are going to be sizzling in the paddocks. It's ridiculous. Yeah,
37:47
Speaker 9: it's a warm day today. But I'll tell you what
37:49
Speaker 9: I think things seem to be going well. This pursuit
37:52
Speaker 9: of net zero, blindly not taking account of anything else,
37:56
Speaker 9: cost to the consumer, cost in terms of erecting transmission networks, etc.
38:02
Speaker 1: He is bad policy.
38:03
Speaker 9: Making sure we should do everything we can to minimize
38:07
Speaker 9: our impact on the environment. I've got no objection to that.
38:10
Speaker 9: But when it is not based in science or fact,
38:13
Speaker 9: and you don't take into account social and economic consequences
38:16
Speaker 9: of these decisions, you are a bad government. And that's
38:19
Speaker 9: what this government is.
38:22
Speaker 2: Good to catch up with you, We'll talk to you
38:24
Speaker 2: again shortly now. Coming up the new South Wales premiers
38:27
Speaker 2: skating attack on those vandals who went on an anti
38:30
Speaker 2: Israel rampage in the eastern suburbs of Sydney this week,
38:34
Speaker 2: plus billionaire Elon musk ways in on the alb and
38:37
Speaker 2: easy government's social media ban. I'll bring you that after
38:41
Speaker 2: this quick break. Welcome Act Price with you. It's Friday
38:47
Speaker 2: Panel time. Joining me as usual is Small Business Women
38:50
Speaker 2: Australia's CEO, Amanda Rosa. Was great to catch up with
38:53
Speaker 2: her and Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand.
38:56
Speaker 1: Joe how's your podcast going.
39:00
Speaker 10: It's going fantastic, Thank you very much, mister Price. In fact,
39:04
Speaker 10: we predicted this week the departure of Matt Gates, which
39:08
Speaker 10: I know we're getting to later on. So we predicted
39:10
Speaker 10: Donald Trump will win and Matt Gates will go.
39:13
Speaker 1: So we're two for two so far. Where do we
39:17
Speaker 1: find it?
39:20
Speaker 5: It is the real.
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Speaker 10: Story with Joe Hildebrand, and you can find it wherever
39:23
Speaker 10: you get your podcast. Thank you very much for asking.
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Speaker 2: That's okay, we've got to plug our guests now, Amanda,
39:29
Speaker 2: you've got a podcast.
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Speaker 11: No I don't, but Joe, I expect to be invited
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Speaker 11: on yours.
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Speaker 10: Exactly to see yourself booked for next week.
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Speaker 2: Done, Let's talk about the situation in the eastern suburbs
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Speaker 2: of Sydney. I just can't believe what unfolded in Willara
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Speaker 2: across the last couple of days. Chris Min's the premiere
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Speaker 2: in New South Wales. He's come out and sent, you know,
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Speaker 2: sent what has called a stern message to the people
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Speaker 2: who torched that car and to faced all sorts of
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Speaker 2: gates and fences and stuff. He is the premier on
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Speaker 2: what he said today.
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Speaker 12: I want to make it clear that both the police
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Speaker 12: and the New South Wales government will throw the book
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Speaker 12: at anyone who is attempting to racially vilify, intimidate, or
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Speaker 12: enact anti Semitic violent acts on members of our community.
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Speaker 2: So he visited a synagogue, Amanda, But I don't even
40:21
Speaker 2: think he was quite strong enough. I mean, I like
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Speaker 2: Chris Mins. I think he's a pretty good operator. But
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Speaker 2: they've got to now go to the police and say, right,
40:29
Speaker 2: those streets and you two both know that that part
40:32
Speaker 2: of Sydney as well as anyone those streets will be
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Speaker 2: full of CCTV cameras we would all expect, will be
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Speaker 2: not an arrest of whoever was involved in this pretty quickly.
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Speaker 1: Amanda.
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Speaker 11: Well, well, there's two things here. Firstly, hopefully this opens
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Speaker 11: up a discussion with politicians to look into this type
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Speaker 11: of behavior across the actual state. So this has been happening,
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Speaker 11: I think, behind the scenes for a lot of different
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Speaker 11: cultures and religions, and it's been you're not really talked about.
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Speaker 11: So this is a really great opportunity to say, actually,
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Speaker 11: this is disgusting and it shouldn't be happening. But the
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Speaker 11: second thing which is of concern is that as you
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Speaker 11: can see through our justice system, a lot of people
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Speaker 11: do get charged and arrested for you know, for being violent,
41:17
Speaker 11: DV whatever it is, but then they get lead out
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Speaker 11: on bail. So if we keep repeating doing that, regardless
41:23
Speaker 11: of the crime, if people are allowed to go back
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Speaker 11: out onto the streets for long periods of time, and
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Speaker 11: mind you, often they're repeat offenders, that's sending a message
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Speaker 11: that it's okay, you'll get away with it, which only
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Speaker 11: encourages this behavior to continue.
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Speaker 2: Joe, this is a national problem. Obviously we've seen issues
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Speaker 2: with MP's offices and there's been all sorts of radicals
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Speaker 2: on the streets in Melbourne, but that's the worst that
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Speaker 2: I've seen in Sydney and we can trace it all
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Speaker 2: the way back to October eight last year when what
41:52
Speaker 2: happened on the steps of the Sydney Opera House. No
41:55
Speaker 2: one in government and in police really, I don't think
41:59
Speaker 2: realize what that was going to set off.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's right, and look, I think to be fair
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Speaker 10: to Premier Chris Mins, he has been trying to toughen
42:09
Speaker 10: up whatever laws necessary to make sure that this is
42:12
Speaker 10: not just treated like another act of vandalism. When you
42:15
Speaker 10: look at what happened in Nazi Nazi Germany less than
42:19
Speaker 10: a century ago. You know how quickly and specifically this
42:23
Speaker 10: type of hatred can escalate. And I would just say
42:27
Speaker 10: that this just puts the lie to that outrageous claim,
42:31
Speaker 10: that pathetic claim by the left being extremists who provide
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Speaker 10: a fig leaf of legitimacy for these sorts of actions
42:38
Speaker 10: by saying, oh, no, we're not anti Semitic, We're just
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Speaker 10: anti Zionist, or we're just anti Israel. Well, if you're
42:44
Speaker 10: not anti Jews, why is it the Jewish neighborhoods, the
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Speaker 10: Jewish communities.
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Speaker 5: That you're targeting.
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Speaker 10: Why are you going specifically be it in Melbourne, you know,
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Speaker 10: in Corefield, be it Josh Burns's electorate office, be it
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Speaker 10: in Sydney, in the eastern suburbs of the city. I mean,
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Speaker 10: they weren't chanting, you know, where's the Israelites? Where are
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Speaker 10: the Zionists? On the streets of the Opera House, in
43:09
Speaker 10: front of the Opera House, they were chanting, where's the Jews?
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Speaker 10: And yet there still is this ridiculous baar faced or
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Speaker 10: wellyan lie that in fact, this has nothing to do
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Speaker 10: with andy Semitism, It has nothing to do with being
43:20
Speaker 10: andy jew it's just a sort of political debate. Well,
43:24
Speaker 10: if it's a political debate, why are they coming around
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Speaker 10: to the houses of people based on their ethnicity. It
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Speaker 10: is an absolute disgrace and we need to snuff it
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Speaker 10: out before it gets any worse.
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Speaker 2: And Amanda, we've seen targeted attacks on small cafes and
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Speaker 2: restaurants there. It was that Jewish owner of a cafe
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Speaker 2: also in the Eastern suburbs of Sydney that had his
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Speaker 2: ohole front of his business absolutely covered in graffiti. And
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Speaker 2: you know that was the way that ended up. Was
43:54
Speaker 2: good because his customers can continued to turn up when
43:57
Speaker 2: you see stickers on the windows of shops. As Jojas said,
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Speaker 2: you as well go back to nineteen thirty Germany.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's really sad that we live in a time
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Speaker 11: where people are attacking the small business community, attacking actual
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Speaker 11: homes and children, and just because of what they choose
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Speaker 11: to believe, and just because of who they are and
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Speaker 11: how they identify. We've seen this across so many cultures
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Speaker 11: and faith and it's absolutely appalling, and in particular with
44:25
Speaker 11: this poor small businesses. What I'd like to say to
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Speaker 11: people is if it's happened to a small business near you,
44:30
Speaker 11: whether it's now or in the future, make sure you
44:33
Speaker 11: do what you can to support them, especially coming up
44:35
Speaker 11: to Christmas time. Support small business over big business every
44:39
Speaker 11: chance you get.
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Speaker 2: I need to help with you two youngsters on this
44:43
Speaker 2: social media thing, the under sixteen idea that we're going
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Speaker 2: to put a law through the Parliament and every kid
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Speaker 2: under sixteen is not going to be able to go
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Speaker 2: on anything. But TikTok elon Musks weighed in on this
44:54
Speaker 2: whole thing. He says, you know, it's going to ban
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Speaker 2: people under the age of sixteen. We're trying to censor
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Speaker 2: the Internet. He's probably right, and what he said start
45:04
Speaker 2: with you, Joe. You and I are very similar in them.
45:07
Speaker 2: We look at the practical way that something like this
45:10
Speaker 2: can happen. How is passing a bill like this going
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Speaker 2: to stop kids getting around it?
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Speaker 10: Look, it certainly won't one hundred percent. What it will do,
45:23
Speaker 10: I think is make it much much easier for parents
45:26
Speaker 10: to police it. They can say simply to their kids
45:29
Speaker 10: that it's illegal, it's against the law for them to
45:32
Speaker 10: be looking at this stuff. And that does make kids,
45:34
Speaker 10: I think stop and think those who are really determined
45:36
Speaker 10: to get around it will do there will be there's
45:39
Speaker 10: a big difference for anyone with kids my age, who
45:41
Speaker 10: are all under sixteen. They're obsessed with YouTube at the moment.
45:44
Speaker 10: Whether that is then classified as social media, I think
45:47
Speaker 10: that could cause some issues. It's not the content that
45:50
Speaker 10: I think bothers most parents, or even the screen addiction,
45:53
Speaker 10: which is its own kind of problem. But what's really
45:56
Speaker 10: concerning about social media is that interaction that you're completely
45:59
Speaker 10: open and vulnerable to anyone with the worst possible, most
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Speaker 10: malevolent intentions anywhere in the on the planet, anywhere in
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Speaker 10: the world, and that they can just hound you and
46:09
Speaker 10: harangue you. And we've seen trolling on Twitter. You know,
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Speaker 10: it's bad enough for adults, let alone the sort of
46:14
Speaker 10: bullying we've seen drive kids to take their lives. So
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Speaker 10: I think this is just a sensible, practical way to
46:22
Speaker 10: send a very clear message that these things are inappropriate
46:25
Speaker 10: for kids. It makes parents, makes it easier for parents
46:28
Speaker 10: to enforce their own rules because I'm terribly soft and
46:30
Speaker 10: I'm hopeless, and I need to outsource it to the government.
46:33
Speaker 10: And I think it should be seen very separately as
46:35
Speaker 10: well to the Misinformation Bill, which will be left to
46:38
Speaker 10: quietly die in the Senate, I.
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Speaker 1: Think, Amanda.
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Speaker 2: I mean the critics of this idea is so that
46:45
Speaker 2: you know what the government really wants is for us
46:48
Speaker 2: all to have to register our social media practices with
46:53
Speaker 2: some sort of I presume it will be a log
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Speaker 2: on code, and so then they'll know what everyone is
47:00
Speaker 2: doing on their social media device. Does that argument fly
47:05
Speaker 2: with you? Do you worry about that? And can you
47:07
Speaker 2: see this idea of work now?
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Speaker 11: I don't think it'll work. I do think it's a
47:11
Speaker 11: backdoor way for everyone to have a digital id online
47:15
Speaker 11: to be able to register, and it'll extend to other things.
47:19
Speaker 11: I just want to comment that I don't think we
47:20
Speaker 11: should ever ever say our government should be in charge
47:25
Speaker 11: of any decision that our children make, or govern our
47:27
Speaker 11: children in any capacity. I think parents should hold on to
47:29
Speaker 11: that right because the second you start letting go of
47:31
Speaker 11: parts of it, they'll end up taking a lot more
47:33
Speaker 11: of it. But also I just want to bring up
47:35
Speaker 11: the point that Joe mentioned about because it's leg illegal
47:38
Speaker 11: to do it and there's legislation, it gives parents an
47:41
Speaker 11: opportunity to say, hey, that's illegal, but our youth crime
47:44
Speaker 11: stats beg to differ. There's skyrocketing and through the roof.
47:48
Speaker 11: Kids are doing so many things right now that are illegal,
47:51
Speaker 11: and that hasn't worked. So maybe legislating something won't work.
47:55
Speaker 11: We need to actually educate parents and help them and
47:58
Speaker 11: give them the tools to be to say to the kids,
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Speaker 11: this is not good for you.
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Speaker 2: Joe, just briefly, you tip that Matt Gates would go
48:07
Speaker 2: perhaps Donald Trump should read his CV's a bit a
48:10
Speaker 2: bit more clearly.
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Speaker 10: I actually think that this is part of Donald Trump's
48:16
Speaker 10: incredible sort of artfulness, that that people who turn their
48:19
Speaker 10: noses up to him and think they're smarter than him
48:22
Speaker 10: constantly miss Donald Trump. Is that a master of showbiz?
48:25
Speaker 10: He basically did the old hat trick, the rule of three.
48:28
Speaker 10: He needed to get Pete Hegvest from Fox News up.
48:32
Speaker 10: He definitely needed to get RFK Junior up, who was
48:34
Speaker 10: the most controversial pick and was going to face some
48:38
Speaker 10: severe headwinds and resistance.
48:39
Speaker 1: So what is it.
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Speaker 10: Dow who more controversial than RFK. Dangles that in front
48:45
Speaker 10: of everyone. Everyone gets outraged about that. He goes, oh
48:47
Speaker 10: my god, he says, all right, Meanwhile, he's happy with
48:52
Speaker 10: RFK on the plane.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, good on you. Joe, thank you very much, Amanda,
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Speaker 1: thank you. Danika is up next.