Latest / The Front / Is Trump's Gaza 'ceasefire' for real?
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- 0:03Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.
- 0:06Speaker 1: It's Thursday, July three, twenty twenty five. Fijian military personnel
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- 0:47Speaker 1: is live now at the Australian dot com dot au.
- 0:55Speaker 1: Peace in the Middle East, Donald Trump seems to think
- 0:58Speaker 1: he's got it sorted. Ben Jamin Nettania, who is heading
- 1:01Speaker 1: to the White House and the deal maker in chief,
- 1:04Speaker 1: says they'll have a deal today. On the Front are
- 1:07Speaker 1: correspondents Joanni Bishan and Liam Mendez on the new push
- 1:11Speaker 1: for a ceasefire. There's been conflict in the Middle East
- 1:18Speaker 1: for a couple of thousand years now, the Romans, the Crusaders, Jews, Christians, Muslims,
- 1:25Speaker 1: and now Donald Trump.
- 1:28Speaker 2: Israel has agreed to the necessary conditions to finalize the
- 1:32Speaker 2: sixty days ceasefire. I hope for the good of the
- 1:36Speaker 2: Middle East that Hamas takes this deal, because it will
- 1:40Speaker 2: not get better, it will only get worse.
- 1:44Speaker 1: That was an Ai voice reading the president's social media post.
- 1:49Speaker 1: The deal maker in chief says he's got a deal,
- 1:52Speaker 1: or he's going to get a deal, or there's a
- 1:54Speaker 1: deal to be done.
- 1:56Speaker 3: How far were you going to be with Matt Yahoo
- 1:58Speaker 3: about ending the war? And he wants it to He's
- 2:02Speaker 3: he wants to tend to but is there a point
- 2:05Speaker 3: where you're told not Yahoo, Like you've got to endless
- 2:07Speaker 3: Now you've got to stake a he wants to.
- 2:10Speaker 1: I think we'll have a deal next year, that's right.
- 2:13Speaker 1: Benjamin Netanya, who the Israeli Prime Minister, is heading to Washington,
- 2:17Speaker 1: d C. Early next week and says he'll be meeting
- 2:20Speaker 1: with Trump, Vice President j d Vance, and top dogs
- 2:24Speaker 1: Marco Rubio, Pete Hegseth and Steve Wikoff. He's the former
- 2:27Speaker 1: property developer and Trump buddy who's been leading negotiations for
- 2:32Speaker 1: Mideast peace.
- 2:36Speaker 3: Can't be in there, and.
- 2:38Speaker 2: Then I see vance in the skirts.
- 2:40Speaker 3: Look at the Michael Rubil.
- 2:44Speaker 1: It's been a hell of a month, a twelve day
- 2:46Speaker 1: shooting war with Iran, American strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities,
- 2:51Speaker 1: civilian deaths in Gaza at food distribution sites. Donald Trump swearing.
- 2:56Speaker 2: We have we basically have two countries that have been
- 2:59Speaker 2: fighting so long and so hard that they don't know
- 3:02Speaker 2: what the fuck they're doing. Do you understand that?
- 3:06Speaker 1: And now maybe peace on the ground in Israel. Our
- 3:11Speaker 1: correspondents Joanni Bishan and Liam Mendez are just getting used
- 3:15Speaker 1: to life outside the bomb shelter. Liam, what's life like
- 3:20Speaker 1: in Tel Aviv these days?
- 3:22Speaker 4: Well, it's been like night and day compared to when
- 3:27Speaker 4: Israel was at war with Iran. About an hour after
- 3:31Speaker 4: the ceasefire was announced, things just completely changed. At first,
- 3:35Speaker 4: before the ceasefire, all of Tel Aviv was empty. It
- 3:38Speaker 4: was amazing, almost in a way where we could get
- 3:41Speaker 4: a park very easily. We'd get from one hour of
- 3:44Speaker 4: town to the other in a matter of ten to
- 3:47Speaker 4: twenty minutes, that's how empty it was. It was like
- 3:50Speaker 4: Covid again. But then an hour into the ceasefire, everyone
- 3:55Speaker 4: came out, it was impossible to get a reservation at
- 3:58Speaker 4: a restaurant. It's quite remarkable to watch everyone just emerge
- 4:03Speaker 4: out of the bunker and resume life and go back
- 4:06Speaker 4: to normal, you know, after being through what was very
- 4:09Speaker 4: traumatic twelve days. We saw a lot of people genuinely
- 4:15Speaker 4: terrified and panicking when the air raid tyrants would go off,
- 4:19Speaker 4: and when people would file from the beach or from
- 4:22Speaker 4: the streets into an air raid shelter. And then all
- 4:26Speaker 4: of that sort of disappeared. It went into the distance,
- 4:30Speaker 4: and it seems like everyone's just forgotten about it.
- 4:36Speaker 1: Only something that hasn't changed is the hostage situation. There
- 4:40Speaker 1: are still about fifty hostages remaining in Gaza of the
- 4:44Speaker 1: two hundred plus who were taken by Hamas back in
- 4:47Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. What's happening with those hostages and what
- 4:51Speaker 1: do you think their fate is going to be if,
- 4:53Speaker 1: as Donald Trump is saying, we get some kind of
- 4:57Speaker 1: deal next week.
- 4:58Speaker 3: Well, it's extremely depressing to think we currently have fifty
- 5:01Speaker 3: hostages that are being held in Gaza, but not all
- 5:04Speaker 3: of them are alive. The estimation is that roughly about
- 5:06Speaker 3: twenty three or thereabouts still living and the rest bodies
- 5:11Speaker 3: that are being held by Ramasen that itself is so
- 5:13Speaker 3: abhorrent to think about that this terrorist organization is holding
- 5:16Speaker 3: the bodies of people, and around Tel Aviv and around
- 5:19Speaker 3: the rest of Israel, you'll walk around and you'll see
- 5:21Speaker 3: the posters that are calling for the living hostages to
- 5:24Speaker 3: come back, but they're also posters for those who have died.
- 5:27Speaker 3: And they didn't die in captivity, although some of them did.
- 5:30Speaker 3: Some of them died on October seven, and ramas has
- 5:32Speaker 3: just been holding their bodies for almost two years. So
- 5:34Speaker 3: the families have no eeed to agree for them, and
- 5:37Speaker 3: it's truly an appalling situation that they're still there. But
- 5:40Speaker 3: I guess what the hostage families here have been saying
- 5:44Speaker 3: is that the ceasefire that was managed to be broken
- 5:47Speaker 3: with Iran that presented an opportunity for further negotiations and
- 5:52Speaker 3: discussions over the hostages in Gaza. In fact, what the
- 5:55Speaker 3: hostages and families for them, that's the organization that advocates
- 5:58Speaker 3: for families here. What that forum one we're saying is
- 6:00Speaker 3: that the ceasefire with Iran was a missed opportunity to
- 6:04Speaker 3: broker a further deal to get the hostages out, and
- 6:07Speaker 3: that the ceasefire with Iran should have been predicated on
- 6:10Speaker 3: such a deal. It shouldn't have been a ceasefire that
- 6:12Speaker 3: only focused on stopping the ballistic missiles coming into Israel.
- 6:16Speaker 3: The hostages should have underpinned those talks the entire time,
- 6:19Speaker 3: So at this stage it wouldn't appear as though people
- 6:22Speaker 3: on the ground think that there's much hope of getting
- 6:24Speaker 3: the hostages out through a military campaign. That's been the
- 6:27Speaker 3: government's position from the start that military campaigns are what
- 6:31Speaker 3: provide the leverage for the Israeli government to negotiate the
- 6:34Speaker 3: hostages released. But what we know is that the hostages
- 6:38Speaker 3: get out through agreements. In the main, some hostages have
- 6:41Speaker 3: been released through rescue operations, but the numbers are very small,
- 6:45Speaker 3: and the hostage families here are saying that the only
- 6:47Speaker 3: way they'll get their loved ones back is through a deal,
- 6:50Speaker 3: and that's what the hope is now.
- 6:52Speaker 1: Moving forward here in Australia, we see a lot of
- 6:56Speaker 1: distressing footage of humanitarian suffering in Gaza, people who are
- 7:01Speaker 1: hungry and queuing up at distribution centers for aid. The
- 7:05Speaker 1: Israeli Defense forces have admitted that some of the people
- 7:09Speaker 1: seeking aid were killed by Israeli troops. What's going on
- 7:12Speaker 1: as far as we can tell, Yonian and why is
- 7:15Speaker 1: this so difficult?
- 7:17Speaker 3: Well, what appears to be going on is that the
- 7:19Speaker 3: distribution of aid has been shambolic. It's high risk and dangerous.
- 7:25Speaker 3: We know that there's no screening process for the Palestinians
- 7:29Speaker 3: who are rightfully queuing up for food at those aid
- 7:32Speaker 3: distribution centers, and what that means is that mixed within
- 7:35Speaker 3: the crowds of ordinary people are members of Hamas. And
- 7:39Speaker 3: what we also know is that the IDF has made
- 7:41Speaker 3: admissions to several dozen people having been killed. They've admitted
- 7:46Speaker 3: to mistakes, grievous grievous mistakes in the process of distributing
- 7:51Speaker 3: that aid. And what we've had in the last few
- 7:53Speaker 3: days is the IDF updating its protocols and instituting a
- 7:59Speaker 3: range of new infant structure around the delivery of aid,
- 8:01Speaker 3: to include signage and directions and concrete barriers to allow
- 8:07Speaker 3: for the better flow of the human traffic in the
- 8:09Speaker 3: area in order to access the aid distribution. And the
- 8:12Speaker 3: hope is that moving forward this will be cleared up
- 8:15Speaker 3: and the food that is available to be delivered into
- 8:17Speaker 3: Gaza can actually reach the people who need it.
- 8:24Speaker 1: Coming up more from our Middle East correspondents Joanni Bishan
- 8:27Speaker 1: and Leam Mendez. Liam, You and Yonni have been traveling
- 8:43Speaker 1: around the country talking to ordinary Israelis as you complete
- 8:47Speaker 1: your reporting of this story, do you get a sense
- 8:50Speaker 1: from Israelis since Donald Trump has started talking about peace
- 8:54Speaker 1: that they are hopeful, more hopeful now than perhaps they
- 8:57Speaker 1: were before the Iran War broke out.
- 9:00Speaker 4: There is definitely a sense of hope. But one theme
- 9:03Speaker 4: that keeps coming up is that the Israelis are just
- 9:07Speaker 4: locked into the fact that these wars come up every
- 9:11Speaker 4: six to eight years. There's an expectation that people need
- 9:14Speaker 4: to be ready for either a terrorist attack or some
- 9:16Speaker 4: sort of attack. Someone was saying to me a couple
- 9:19Speaker 4: of days ago that they are constantly on the lookout
- 9:22Speaker 4: for someone that's trying to kill them. The Israelis are
- 9:25Speaker 4: living in this constant state of peril where they are
- 9:29Speaker 4: just waiting for when is the next siren going to happen.
- 9:32Speaker 4: For the first time in a week since the ceasefire,
- 9:34Speaker 4: we had an alert go off preparing us for a
- 9:37Speaker 4: potential attack. Now, a ballistic missile from Yemen, a single
- 9:41Speaker 4: ballistic missile was intercepted by the IDEF yesterday. But there
- 9:46Speaker 4: is never a true sense of peace and quiet that
- 9:49Speaker 4: we're so used to having back at home. People are
- 9:52Speaker 4: still on edge, and it's a fact of life that
- 9:55Speaker 4: Israel is going to be at war with at least
- 9:59Speaker 4: one neighbor at any point in time.
- 10:05Speaker 1: On Benjamin Nettanna, who's on his way to Washington, we
- 10:08Speaker 1: can only assume that he'll have an Oval Office meeting
- 10:11Speaker 1: with the President and JD. Vance and the other top brass.
- 10:15Speaker 1: Some of those meetings haven't gone so well for the
- 10:17Speaker 1: foreign leaders who've put themselves up. What do you think
- 10:20Speaker 1: it tells us that Benjamin Nettanna, who is agreeing to
- 10:23Speaker 1: go to Washington at this stage, does this mean that
- 10:26Speaker 1: a deal is actually in the office.
- 10:28Speaker 3: Well, I think, first of all, I'd say that Benjamin
- 10:30Speaker 3: nettannia who is a very shrewd and very savvy politician.
- 10:33Speaker 3: So I'm not expecting to see any scenes, as we
- 10:36Speaker 3: might call it, in the Oval Office like we saw
- 10:38Speaker 3: with Vladimir Zelenski of Ukraine. I'm not too sure as
- 10:41Speaker 3: yet how people should read this visit to Washington. On
- 10:45Speaker 3: the one hand, we've had Donald Trump quite insistently and
- 10:48Speaker 3: quite typically getting on truth social and calling for a
- 10:51Speaker 3: ceasefire to occur as soon as possible, and effectively imploring
- 10:55Speaker 3: the Israeli Prime Minister to acquiesce to that. There is
- 10:58Speaker 3: a school of thought that says that Netna, who could
- 11:02Speaker 3: viably agree to some sort of ceasefire deal because he's
- 11:05Speaker 3: in such a strong position politically in Israel, given the
- 11:08Speaker 3: successes that occurred in Iran, so he could agree to
- 11:11Speaker 3: a cease fire, even if it means causing some degradation
- 11:14Speaker 3: of his coalition here. On the other hand, I think
- 11:18Speaker 3: it's also worth considering that there have been many opportunities
- 11:22Speaker 3: to rake over the coals of a cease fire and
- 11:26Speaker 3: they have mounted to nothing. And it's worth examining another
- 11:30Speaker 3: aspect of this, which is that Benjamin Netna, who is
- 11:32Speaker 3: currently on trial here in Israel, a criminal trial, and
- 11:35Speaker 3: he was due to give two days of evidence this week.
- 11:38Speaker 3: In fact, his legal team had called for that evidence
- 11:41Speaker 3: to be postponed on security grounds and diplomatic grounds of
- 11:44Speaker 3: the highest order. A judge rejected that claim, asking for
- 11:48Speaker 3: further evidence, and in response, Benjamin Netanya, who turned up
- 11:52Speaker 3: to the court on Sunday with no less than the
- 11:56Speaker 3: head of the Mossad, David Barnaya and the head of
- 11:59Speaker 3: IDF Intelligence, And after they gave evidence in a closed court,
- 12:03Speaker 3: the judge agreed to postpone his evidence by a week
- 12:06Speaker 3: and we'll hear further evidence next week to put that
- 12:08Speaker 3: off as well. So I think people should keep that
- 12:11Speaker 3: in mind when BB goes to visit Donald Trump. There
- 12:14Speaker 3: has been a war with Iran and there is going
- 12:17Speaker 3: to be a meeting of minds there in Washington, and
- 12:20Speaker 3: I think top of the agenda will be discussions about
- 12:24Speaker 3: regional security and the potential for further operations to take
- 12:27Speaker 3: place in light of what's just occurred. So I think
- 12:30Speaker 3: there's hope that there may be talk of a ceasefire,
- 12:32Speaker 3: but the suggestion is that there could be broader security
- 12:35Speaker 3: discussions that are going to take place.
- 12:37Speaker 1: To Leam Mendez and Johanni Vashan are in Israel for
- 12:50Speaker 1: The Australian. You can check out their reporting live at
- 12:53Speaker 1: the Australian dot com dot au