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O-Zone Podcast: Dan Pompei · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast, presented by by Star Credit
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  Speaker 1: with Jaguars senior writer John Osan. All right, welcome to
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  Speaker 1: this week's Ozone podcast. We're here at the NFL Owners
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  Speaker 1: Meetings two edition at the Got Breakers in Palm Beach,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm joined today by somebod. I'm looking forward to
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  Speaker 1: talking to Uh because of his NFL knowledge, but also
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  Speaker 1: because of his intimate knowledge of Jaguars head coach Doug Peterson.
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  Speaker 1: We're joined by Dan Pompey of The Athletic, a longtime
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  Speaker 1: NFL writer, one of the best around, who also co
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  Speaker 1: wrote Doug Peterson's book Fearless. And after that lengthy introduction, Dan,
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  Speaker 1: we appreciate you joining us today. It's good to be
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  Speaker 1: with you. John. Always enjoy talking a little football with
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  Speaker 1: you and talking a little Jaguars. I think it's uh
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  Speaker 1: kind of an exciting new era in Jaguars football with
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  Speaker 1: with Doug Peterson. Sarah's will, well, that's for sure, that's
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  Speaker 1: for sure. What did you, Uh? And we'll get into
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  Speaker 1: what you learned about Doug Peterson, but maybe tell Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: fans um you know your nutgraph, if you will, your
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  Speaker 1: summary of Doug as a as a leader person that
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  Speaker 1: you learned from writing his book. Well, I think there's
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  Speaker 1: a few things about him that stand out to me.
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  Speaker 1: The first is, um, you know, he would rate is
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  Speaker 1: high on the EQ scale as any head coach. So
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  Speaker 1: to me, that's probably something that's become increasingly important to
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  Speaker 1: a head coach to be able to relate to people
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  Speaker 1: and kind of uh understand where they're coming from and
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  Speaker 1: push the right buttons. And I think that's you know,
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  Speaker 1: he does adds as well as anybody. And then the
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  Speaker 1: other thing is, you know, you look at, uh the
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  Speaker 1: experience level that he has in the league as a quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: all the different people and systems programs he's been exposed to,
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  Speaker 1: and how that blends into the person he is and
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  Speaker 1: his ability to put together a playbook and a game
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  Speaker 1: plan that brings out the best in the athletes around him,
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  Speaker 1: the personalities around him. Um, he's got a willingness to
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  Speaker 1: take risks, and UM, I think he's got a great
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  Speaker 1: feel for quarterback development and how to how to uh
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  Speaker 1: develop a team really how to bring out um young
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  Speaker 1: players best abilities and how to find ways to uh
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  Speaker 1: make them advance in his program. So, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: know that's a mouthful there, but I think, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot about Doug Peterson that's pretty impressive to me. Um,
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  Speaker 1: there's a kind of things I want to get to.
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  Speaker 1: But uh, I guess the writer junkie in me is
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  Speaker 1: fascinated by how the pro says work. You guys wrote
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  Speaker 1: this book right in the Super Bowl, we did, and
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  Speaker 1: that means he wasn't sitting around at the beach with
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  Speaker 1: a lot of free time. So how good was he
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  Speaker 1: as a writing partner as a subject, because there's huge
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  Speaker 1: swaths of time you need to get from him as
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  Speaker 1: he's still preparing and doing his job. He was great,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And we had three major interview times. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Two of them were we spent weekends together in the Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 1: I went out to Philadelphia and spent an entire weekend
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  Speaker 1: with him twice. Uh. And then the third time was actually,
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  Speaker 1: oddly enough, at this very hotel at the NFL meetings
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  Speaker 1: that year. We came, I came down here and spent
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  Speaker 1: some time here. And then after that it was a
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  Speaker 1: lot of phone calls and texts or you know, emails
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  Speaker 1: or that kind of thing. So no, it's his book
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  Speaker 1: that can be an invasive thing, even if he's involved
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  Speaker 1: with it, and it sounds like he was. He sort
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  Speaker 1: of guided and easy to work with person, no question,
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  Speaker 1: he was well, he was on board with the project,
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  Speaker 1: you know. So if he wasn't on board, it wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have worked, you know, because he had to really give
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  Speaker 1: freely of his time and you know himself. Really I
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  Speaker 1: had to tell his story and you know, do it
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  Speaker 1: without holding back. And he did that and it was
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  Speaker 1: it was a really enjoyable process. It was a difficult
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  Speaker 1: process from the standpoint of uh, you know, it consumed
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  Speaker 1: me for a long period of time and uh, but
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  Speaker 1: it was you know, it was good to be done
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  Speaker 1: with it that way, no doubt. You mentioned something about
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  Speaker 1: him at the very top that has fascinated me for
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  Speaker 1: a while, Uh, in terms of what it takes to
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  Speaker 1: be NFL coach these days. And I go back to
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  Speaker 1: it because he said, Doug's really good at it. But
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  Speaker 1: it really has become a job that I think is
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  Speaker 1: perhaps more about e Q, about relationships. It is about
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  Speaker 1: XS and and you can be a successful head coach
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  Speaker 1: without being a great x as and those guy. If
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  Speaker 1: you've got that point, Um, do you agree with that?
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  Speaker 1: And how you know? I guess to reiterate, Doug's really
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  Speaker 1: strong in that area. Yeah, no question. You know, there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of things obviously that go into being a
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  Speaker 1: successful head coach. Uh. And you know, I would never
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  Speaker 1: minimize the importance of strategy, but I think, um, that's
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  Speaker 1: something that you know, Uh, if all you've got his strategy,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you can be successful put it that way.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, you know Doug has the strategy part, Annie
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  Speaker 1: has the e Q part, and um, you know, as
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  Speaker 1: as the game changes, as people change, as different things evolve,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's more important than it used to be.
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  Speaker 1: And it's funny because you know, you normally when you
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  Speaker 1: see a head coach change, you see the pendulum swings
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  Speaker 1: all the way. You know, it doesn't go halfway. And
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  Speaker 1: certainly that's what happened in Jacksonville, where you know, there
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  Speaker 1: were problems with the way that urban Meyer related to
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  Speaker 1: players and people around him, his employees and coaches everything.
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  Speaker 1: And and now I think you will never have those
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  Speaker 1: problems with Doug. How well did you know did you
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  Speaker 1: know him before the book? And what was your biggest
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  Speaker 1: thing that you learned in and I working with him
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  Speaker 1: about him as a coach, well, um, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: did not know him well before the book, so it
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  Speaker 1: was kind of an education uh to me too in
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  Speaker 1: terms of who he was. Um, I would say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the biggest, the most interesting thing to me was talking
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  Speaker 1: about some of his playing career and how you know
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  Speaker 1: he had uh been on the fringes of an NFL
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  Speaker 1: roster for so long and what that was like and
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  Speaker 1: you know, being uh you know the second banana in
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  Speaker 1: Green Bay to Brett Farve and to Dan Marino in Miami,
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  Speaker 1: and you know what happened in Philadelphia where he thought
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  Speaker 1: he was going to be the start at one point
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  Speaker 1: as a quarterback and he was supposed to be the
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  Speaker 1: starter and they kind of pulled the rug out from
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  Speaker 1: under him and that didn't happen. So um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he he kind of experienced almost everything you could experience
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  Speaker 1: as a player, and you know, lasted for a long
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  Speaker 1: time with without ever really you know, breaking through as
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  Speaker 1: a major you know, contributor in terms of being a starter. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And I think you know, from that Kapbard seat, it
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  Speaker 1: really enabled him to kind of soak in a lot
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  Speaker 1: of knowledge and experience through other people, and I think
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  Speaker 1: it helped him become a coach. I think backups are
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  Speaker 1: typically better head coaches than starters as they get to
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  Speaker 1: JA I think is they're just they get it, they've
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  Speaker 1: been through it, and they've had to learn it, had
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  Speaker 1: to be smart when they're playing. Yeah, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: think a lot more backups tend to go into coaching
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  Speaker 1: than starters. I don't know, you know, if that side
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  Speaker 1: of necessity or their mentality is different or what. But
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  Speaker 1: they didn't make as much money. They didn't make that
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  Speaker 1: was the necessity for But I think certainly, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you have to have that passion otherwise it's not gonna work.
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  Speaker 1: And you know a lot of backups do seem to
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  Speaker 1: have that that passion. Certainly he does, and you know
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  Speaker 1: it's it's come out in his coaching career. And then
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  Speaker 1: you know the other part of him too is how
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  Speaker 1: he's been able to learn as a coach, you know,
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  Speaker 1: from Andy Reid and then also all the other coaches
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  Speaker 1: that he's worked with who have been you know, some
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  Speaker 1: Hall of fame caliber head coaches. Did you talk to
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  Speaker 1: him at all when he was away from it for
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  Speaker 1: a year, Yes, yeah, we talked a little bit. What
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  Speaker 1: was uh, I guess the question to be did you
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  Speaker 1: sort of know at some point he was gonna want
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  Speaker 1: to get back into it, didn't Yeah, I think that
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  Speaker 1: was he was gonna get back in as soon as
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  Speaker 1: he could, you know, uh, from the beginning, and um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think the year off was good for
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  Speaker 1: him and he probably something that helped him personally as
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  Speaker 1: well as professionally. It came really at a good time
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  Speaker 1: in his life, you know, when he had some things
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  Speaker 1: going on in his life, and um, but yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: was he was ready to come back this year. And
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  Speaker 1: I always thought, you know, he'd be the first guy
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  Speaker 1: in line to get a job. Uh. Certainly he was
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  Speaker 1: one of the first. Was he the first interview in Jacksonville?
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  Speaker 1: I think he was. Yeah, So so that tells you something.
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  Speaker 1: And then he had another uh number of other opportunities
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  Speaker 1: as well, and uh, you know, it doesn't surprise me
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  Speaker 1: that he's back in How did uh you mentioned? And
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  Speaker 1: one of the funniest things in the book was probably
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  Speaker 1: how he each year with Green Bay once he was
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  Speaker 1: gonna come back, and then they'd call him late in
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  Speaker 1: the process and be like, how many people did you
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  Speaker 1: really call before? Maybe you know and very honest about that,
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  Speaker 1: but uh, do you think that shaped maybe how he
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  Speaker 1: deals with players and Doug Morrow and he was the
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  Speaker 1: coaching Jack's we talk about. Getting released helped shape how
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  Speaker 1: he dealt with players and being able to deal with
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  Speaker 1: all all that was a player. I would think Doug
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  Speaker 1: has a compassion, mean, Doug Peterson has a compassion and
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  Speaker 1: a appreciation for everybody on that roster. Well, I think
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  Speaker 1: it's certainly, uh increases your sensitivity to what it's like
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  Speaker 1: to being a fringe player or a player who you
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  Speaker 1: know could be cut, or a player who isn't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: the one that everyone's lining up for. And um, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he he understands what it's like to be, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the the fiftie player on a roster. But I think
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  Speaker 1: he also understands what it's like to be Dan Marino
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  Speaker 1: because that far as meeting, yeah, he was there with him.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, that's the unique perspective that he has
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  Speaker 1: a very few people in the coaching business. Half what's
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  Speaker 1: the you know, coaching trees sometimes can you can be
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  Speaker 1: a little overplayed, but there's such a connection there with
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  Speaker 1: the Andy Reid and such a lineage there. Um you
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  Speaker 1: sort of basic question, but any similarities that you see
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  Speaker 1: or what is Read's biggest influence ben on Doug or
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  Speaker 1: is there may be just too many to name one
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  Speaker 1: because they were so close. Well, I think it's, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the system is the main thing, the offensive system, the
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  Speaker 1: respect for the way they treat people, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: Andy is known for many many years as a as
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  Speaker 1: a coach who treats people well and as a genuine
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  Speaker 1: interest and the people around him and uh, uh, you
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  Speaker 1: know he's I think Andy is a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: low key than Doug. I think, you know, the personalities
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  Speaker 1: are definitely different in their styles of of coaching really
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  Speaker 1: are different. But I think, you know, the root of
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  Speaker 1: what they are offensively is the same and that's kind
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  Speaker 1: of what they really share more than anything. And it
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  Speaker 1: just so happens that, you know, they both are a
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  Speaker 1: real people person people people. I guess I would say,
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  Speaker 1: who who can relate to everyone on the roster in
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  Speaker 1: the building? What's your impression of Obviously he's passionate about her,
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  Speaker 1: he would have taken it, but um, you know, his
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  Speaker 1: fire I assumed still burns. And what you can tell
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  Speaker 1: you knew him right after the super Bowl. It's now
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  Speaker 1: five years later. Uh, it's still young at heart for
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  Speaker 1: the you know, for lack of a better way to
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  Speaker 1: put that, but you still see the firing. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we talked about that in the in the interviews after
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  Speaker 1: the super Bowl, about how consumed he was was trying
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  Speaker 1: to get back that following year and how you know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the super Bowl was still fresh in his
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  Speaker 1: mind and he was, uh doing all kinds of things
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  Speaker 1: to try to get the team to forget about the
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  Speaker 1: super Bowl move on from the super Bowl. And it's
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  Speaker 1: not always easy to do. You say it, but it's hard.
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  Speaker 1: It's to me, it's one of the most difficult things
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  Speaker 1: to do in all sports. And of course, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they struggled to get past some of the Super Bowl things,
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  Speaker 1: is most Super Bowl winners do. And uh, but it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't for lack of effort on his part, because he
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  Speaker 1: did a lot of things to try to make the
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  Speaker 1: team enter kind of a different phase and put themselves
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  Speaker 1: in a different mindset. And uh, you know, I I
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  Speaker 1: really think if you went back and asked him, he'd
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  Speaker 1: probably say a lot of the things worked pretty well.
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  Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, the Eagles weren't able to sure
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  Speaker 1: capture the heights that they were the year they won
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. They had been a bit of a
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  Speaker 1: miracle team in the playoffs, and it's sometimes hard to
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  Speaker 1: recapture magic. So I mean, no question they were. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, arguably the most unlikely super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: winner in many years, you know, because I mean they
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  Speaker 1: here they had people forget this, but Carson Wentz was
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  Speaker 1: an m VP candidate in December when he went down
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  Speaker 1: the front runner. Yeah. Yeah. And and then you know,
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  Speaker 1: then you've got a guy come off the bench who
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  Speaker 1: was basically rejected by a number of other teams, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, arguably played better than once was playing. And
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  Speaker 1: I mean that that just doesn't happen, you know. And
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  Speaker 1: they had a lot of other adversity too, that they
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  Speaker 1: overcame a lot of other injuries, and then you know,
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  Speaker 1: look at what they're going against, and you know, I
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  Speaker 1: mean it just was a completely, uh almost unrealistic ask
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  Speaker 1: for them to be super Bowl champs that year, and
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  Speaker 1: they did it. What. Um, there's a couple of final things. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I ain't the fascinating thing to me about his Eagles tenure.
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  Speaker 1: And I asked this for Jaguars listeners because I think
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  Speaker 1: it will apply at some point. He was remarkably good
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  Speaker 1: to me at dealing with adversity. All three of his
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  Speaker 1: Eagles teams, even the ones after the Super Bowl team
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  Speaker 1: had to overcome difficult starts late December runs where people
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  Speaker 1: has sort of counted them out. So he seems to
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  Speaker 1: thrive in that sort of situation keeping a team together.
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  Speaker 1: Is that the right read and what makes him good
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  Speaker 1: at that? Well, yes, I think he is good at that,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that's definitely part of it. But I
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  Speaker 1: think that the bigger issue that stands out to me
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  Speaker 1: is he's been good at getting a team to peek
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  Speaker 1: at the right time. So you know, um, what happens
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  Speaker 1: in September or October sometime has been a little out
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  Speaker 1: of his control, whereas what's happened in December has been
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  Speaker 1: more of a reflection of some of the buttons he's
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  Speaker 1: pushing and some of the ways that he prepared his
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  Speaker 1: team to be ready to answer the bell when the
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  Speaker 1: games mean the most. And I think, um, that's something
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  Speaker 1: that definitely has been a trademark of his teams and
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  Speaker 1: his coaching style. That would expect for it to continue
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  Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. Where does that come from? Is that Jimman?
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  Speaker 1: It's an unfair question it comes from everything he experienced.
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  Speaker 1: But is that more being an ex player or is
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  Speaker 1: it happens to be his gift it's what he's good at. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a combination of his life experiences, coaching experiences,
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  Speaker 1: playing experience, and um, you know, I think being a
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  Speaker 1: player probably certainly is a part of it, because he
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  Speaker 1: knows what a player feels in his body, and he
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  Speaker 1: knows you know, what the grind is like and what
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  Speaker 1: the roller coaster is like, and you know how to
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  Speaker 1: come up from out of the dips and turns and
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  Speaker 1: how to gain momentum at the right time, and um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he understands that sometimes what you do in
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  Speaker 1: April and June, uh, in August has an impact on
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  Speaker 1: what you're doing in December or maybe even January and February. How. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: couple final things. How do you think he'll fit And
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  Speaker 1: where do you see Trevor Lawrence benefiting from him? And
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  Speaker 1: how do you see Trevor Lawrence this year? Yeah? I
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  Speaker 1: would expect that Lawrence would take a big leap this year, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: especially if they continue to to build around him as
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  Speaker 1: they have. You know, obviously they've taken the approach that uh,
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  Speaker 1: this team can compete. Now. You know, you don't spend
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  Speaker 1: the kind of money but they have spent in free agency.
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  Speaker 1: If you think you're rebuilding or you're taking a slow
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  Speaker 1: play into contention, you know they're they're they're all in.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, uh, if that continues. You know, obviously
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  Speaker 1: they've got a big draft coming up with a lot
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  Speaker 1: of possibilities there. You know, if they could add some
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  Speaker 1: some weapons there that would help him. I think, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't just mean that on one side of
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  Speaker 1: the ball. You know, you obviously if if you improve
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  Speaker 1: your defense, you help your quarterback too. So yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think that he's going to take a big step. I'll
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  Speaker 1: be really surprised he does not take a big step
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  Speaker 1: this year. You know, I known you a long time,
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  Speaker 1: and you've obviously known a lot of NFL head coaches.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it words in your not, but
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  Speaker 1: it seems like, even beyond the book, you respected like Doug. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think that that's definitely fair. I think, uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's a matter of fact. Uh, my wife is here
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  Speaker 1: with me, and she met him for the first time
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  Speaker 1: last night, bumped into him, and and uh she walked
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  Speaker 1: away saying, what a nice guy. You know, he he
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  Speaker 1: has that spreditative every head coach. She mats, No, she
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  Speaker 1: she has not said that, but I won't tell you
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  Speaker 1: the one. She hasn't said that, but but yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think he has that impact on just about everybody. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure that most of you guys, when you've met him,
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  Speaker 1: you kind of had the same impression of him, and um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think uh where you know, you might
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  Speaker 1: say that's not important, but it is important because you're
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  Speaker 1: in a position where you're impacting people, and you're asking
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  Speaker 1: people to do things for you and see things your
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  Speaker 1: way and work with you. And you know, when you've
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  Speaker 1: got that kind of personality where people like you and
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  Speaker 1: appreciate you and want to please you, it means something. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea about that personality. It's not mine,
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  Speaker 1: but I'll trust you when it comes to Doug Dan Pompey,
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  Speaker 1: we're taking enough, enough, enough of your time. I always
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  Speaker 1: appreciate your insight, long one of the best NFL writers.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for joining in the own podcast. Okay my pleasure,
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  Speaker 1: Jaasaank you appreciate you, buddy.