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Sometimes There's Side Eye - Episode 5: Doodles · Sometimes There's Side Eye

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  Welcome to sometimes their side. I a podcast about two friends,
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  having real and unfiltered conversations about dogs and
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  people listened. As we talk about our lives, with
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  dogs, training Behavior, share some laughs.
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  And a lot of banter, I'm Heather, I'm Christy and today
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  we are talking about Doodles in America, America justice.
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  But before we get started, if you haven't already, go ahead
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  And we also have an Instagram now at sometimes their site.
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  I so check us out there. We will have content coming soon
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  as well. So shall we get into Doodles?
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  Oh my, so first of all, let's just say, we are not going to be
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  hating on Doodles in this podcast, so I'm taking that
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  breath. Just like in everything, we're
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  asking you to consider lots of different angles that Strum come
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  to your own conclusions and move forward with that, but we're
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  just going to throw a couple different things to think about
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  when it comes to Doodles at you. So so you know, just sit down
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  have a little. Listen, my dear bread upbringing
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  is crying a little swan song, but at the same time, I'm
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  looking around and I'm saying, hey, the market has spoken
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  people want Doodles? Yeah, I've had several through
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  my training program. Am and people are really, really
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  passionate about them. Probably as passionate as I am
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  about Rottweilers, I mean, to be honest.
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  And so I think we all just need to maybe simmer down a little
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  bit and have a conversation and a little food for thought.
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  And we're going to let Christy take it away because she's our
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  resident doodle expert. I am not a resident to do expert
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  but my best friend. Does have a doodle a
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  Labradoodle? I would say that kind of started
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  me on the Journey about learning about Doodles and Heather.
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  To an extent to because Michelle needed some help.
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  She absolutely did not want to go to a backyard breeder.
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  She didn't want to contribute to animals dying in a shelter just
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  because she wanted a certain breed of dog.
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  She wanted to be careful about her selection, but she also had
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  a lot of requirements that we're not out of line.
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  And so, a lot of times people would tell me.
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  Well, there is no justification for getting a doodle.
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  And then I would say, well let's let's Talk about my best friend
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  who does have dog allergies. So she does need a
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  hypoallergenic dog. She's not as experienced in dog
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  ownership. This is her first dog as in the
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  doll, so she does need a breed. That is more willing to work
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  with her a little more forgiving.
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  A Pit Bull is not the, the brown sugar or goodness.
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  Lucy takes advantage of her all the time like she's allergic.
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  To Lucy. Lucy wants to sit on her lap and
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  the Jeep. When we went on a hike, remember
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  Lucy crawled in her lap? And she just said, oh, Lucy,
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  could you maybe get back? No.
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  Okay. You can just stay here,
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  meanwhile. She's like, freaking out then,
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  huh. And meanwhile, I'm like, Lucy.
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  Get in the back. That's a point that you don't
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  sit up here. Let's hope we needed a breed,
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  that would work with somebody who's a little softer and that's
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  not in a bad way. That's just right.
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  And can I interject and say that?
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  That? Yeah, Michelle spent so many
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  hours. Having conversations with me as
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  well about dogs on kayaking trips.
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  Yes, he was so inquisitive about just dog ownership in general,
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  so I hate when people just assume.
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  Oh, they got a doodle, they know nothing.
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  It's like, she didn't make a rash decision.
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  She really thought this through for months, and months and
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  months and she sought out information.
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  She looked at different options. She went and visited a purebred
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  breeder. I mean, she did so many
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  different things that we all, you know, when we say the whole,
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  quote doing it right thing, she did it right?
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  She did everything that we asked people to take the time to do.
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  So I just wanted to interject and say this wasn't some Flippin
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  trash. Oh she just went by to Doodle.
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  No, it was not like that at all. So anyway, carry on right?
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  So I went with her, we looked at Portuguese water dogs Which she
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  loved as well. But the breeder that we went to
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  did not have any more copies and they were never going to
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  selected. Let's be honest.
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  And they were all together was. Yeah, there was definitely a
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  wall that one up and I'm not sure why, but we definitely both
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  felt that at the end. It was going well.
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  And then it was suddenly like no, you're not the right well to
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  have a dog but she met the dogs of the Doodles, the labradoodles
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  from the breeding program, before she ever selected a
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  breeder she learned Out the coats and and just so you know
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  if you're not familiar there are I won't get into all of it but
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  f1's F2. So all these numbers and letters
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  and she could tell you yeah. Michelle could tell you all
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  about it. I just kind of tune my brain out
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  and was like, yeah, that's not information.
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  I want or need to know. But she did love you.
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  Yes. So Michelle smart and she can
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  contain that information in her brain.
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  I just knew I didn't have enough room to in my brain.
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  And that's he's like, I am checked out mean, oh, so is that
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  what you do when I start talking about pedigrees and Rottweilers?
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  You're just like, hey check little bit.
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  Oh wow! Yeah shit!
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  Okay guys, listen, but I just note it that's just terrible
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  formation of contains. It's all pedigree.
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  Do not talk to Kristen about pedigrees ever learned.
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  A lot about pedigrees know by talking to you, but I could
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  never tell you who did, like, who bred to what dog like which
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  you will tell. And detail.
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  I mean, sometimes I don't remember to be fair, I'm not
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  that young anymore. But yeah, so Michelle did all
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  this amazing research. She found out at World level,
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  the dogs are hypoallergenic. So just so you know, if you're
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  thinking about a Labradoodle, if your friend has a lab and they
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  found a poodle to mix it with just decided that they're gonna
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  sell the puppies. Now there's a good chance that
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  that dog will not be hypoallergenic.
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  Yeah, you have tasty cakes for all.
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  That's done eating. Yeah it takes several breathe.
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  Things of Labradoodle to Labradoodle before it becomes
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  that all of the puppies, in the litter are hypo that has to be
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  the right selection with the right genetics to make that
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  happen. You can't just automatically.
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  Say well I have a Labradoodle here and I have a Labradoodle
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  there. They have to have correct
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  genetic makeup as if I sell my car.
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  If you have to labradoodles, it'll increase your chances like
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  more of those correct will be hypoallergenic.
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  But not all of them, right? And until you get into a certain
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  amount, it I think it's something like five breeding,
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  steep or so, I don't know, but that's beyond me.
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  But they do. They are hypoallergenic to a
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  degree, but you have to know and your breeder should be educated
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  on that. Absolutely.
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  And Michelle did not know when she's very first started.
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  She like the rest of us just assumed that labradoodles were
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  hypoallergenic, and her breeder spent a lot of time educating
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  her. Her what it means for
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  hypoallergenic and why she selects the dog, she selects in
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  the breeding program, she also let us meet dogs in the breeding
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  program to make sure Michelle was not allergic to those dogs
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  because she said, hey I just want to make sure before I get
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  attached to a puppy. I just want to kind of like rub
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  my arms around and make sure I'm not having allergies to these
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  dogs and it went really well. The dogs win that were
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  wonderful. And immediately, like, I love
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  the dogs, I love Michelle. All stock.
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  I also know that this is not the right breed for me as well
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  saying barking barking hurts my nerves legitimate me, it hurts
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  my nervous system when dogs bark.
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  And so if you see me cringe, when the dog barks, that's
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  usually why, because it's shooting pain through my whole
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  nervous system, operator, but whatever.
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  And I loved her. But his part is, is more like a
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  well justifying. Taters not like I sit bullshit,
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  no, but I do get what you're saying.
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  Saying, because even probably five years ago, like, my doodle
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  hate was Hardcore. You know, I've evolved and
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  changed and whatnot and a piece of that is Michelle's journey
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  and watching her go through everything with you.
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  Having your guidance and us having conversations that turned
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  into apparently now a podcast because this is literally the
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  kind of shit that we would talk about questioning like really
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  where it started. It's really yeah, where the seed
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  was planted. Just talking about things like
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  well what if someone is breeding these really nice family dogs
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  and it's a doodle and people want them and they're living
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  these great full lives. The dogs are not ending up in
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  the shelter system and the person's doing Health testing.
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  I'm sitting back going. Well how do I have a problem?
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  Like why do I really really at my court?
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  Have a problem with this and now that I've spent more R time with
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  Doodles for me personally. I'm like you the they're not for
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  me. I don't find them aesthetically
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  pleasing. I don't find them.
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  No, I understand and I don't find them behaviourally
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  appeasing. To me, I find them easy to train
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  everyone. I've had through my program has
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  been very easy to train, it's just not my cup of tea, but then
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  again, neither is a Labrador or A toy poodle or soon mouth about
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  those labs. I know, right?
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  There's so many breeds that are not my cup of tea, so amazing
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  dogs. Yeah, that are amazing dogs for
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  other people. So I just want to qualify like,
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  oh no, thank you on the Doodles at this point.
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  I'm just like, it's not for me, clearly for Michelle.
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  Her and her dog are obviously a match made in heaven and she
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  loves her more than anything. On the earth and like best
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  friends. And that's what she said.
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  She said I just want a best friend like in dog, poop.
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  What we want. We just want owners and dogs to
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  have a joyous relationship and life together.
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  That is what we want. So if that's our goal and for
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  Michelle, that's a doodle who I just want to call a doodly-doo.
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  There you go. Yeah, absolutely.
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  And I have to say there's a demand for the breed Her reason
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  we're not meeting that demand in other places like yeah, with
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  working dogs and with great because I brought wheeler is not
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  for everyone, just like the lab is not the right fit for me.
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  It's no different. It is absolutely no different.
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  And we want people to choose a dog that is the right fit for
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  them. Absolutely.
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  Yeah. I will say that.
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  I tried to find Michelle. She was very open to going to
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  the shelter, and so, I did try to find her.
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  Labradoodle in the shelter for over how many for over a year.
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  Did you find Kristy? I think I found a total of four
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  in about a year and a half. Even with me volunteering at the
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  shelter. Yeah, and getting the inside
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  scoop on certain dogs, they were snatched up before she could
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  even get to the shelter or there were pretty severe behavioral
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  problems that I would say I'll send it to you but I don't think
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  this is the right guy and then Did find two, two options
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  through rescue but they were the same price as what she paid
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  through a breeder. Yeah.
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  And they did not come with health clearances.
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  Yes or her. Breeder does test the parents
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  for common ailments in in the lab reads and the poodle breed.
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  So yeah, hold on to your hats right now.
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  This breeder is testing for help clearances.
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  Yeah, it's doing. There are there are breeders out
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  there. You are doing Health testing, so
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  erect. And when I when we talked, I
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  said if it were me for the same exact price, I would want to
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  know, the parents of the dog. And I would want to know the
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  health testing if I had that option rather than just paying
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  the same price just to say, I rescued a dog.
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  Yeah, I'm always gonna say rescue, rescue rescue but if
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  it's the same price and you can have background and you can have
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  and she had the allergy stuff. She's a first-time dog owner.
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  Like there were a lot of elements there.
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  Yeah and I will say the nice thing.
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  Is she stayed in touch with her reader?
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  If she has questions she's able to contact her breeder and she
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  has contacted her breather about things but breeder recommended
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  trainers. So there's an ongoing
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  relationship by. No means does everyone who has
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  purchased from this reader have that but she is willing to have
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  that. Yeah, yes, her purchasers.
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  Which is mind-blowing to me, because I did not.
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  No, not me. Because that's the way it's
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  supposed to be. Well, I know that's the way it's
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  supposed to be but I had been told for so long that you would
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  only find Backyard breeders. Only people who were only in it
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  for the money. There were no good players when
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  it came to Doodles and I think there's a lot of bad players in
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  the field but there's some good ones to us.
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  And there's some people who are really trying to organize
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  Doodles in general to create a sort of network.
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  Work, I guess you would say just like Rottweilers have a national
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  breed club and then have Regional breed clubs so on and
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  so forth. There are people are, who are
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  trying to create and successfully creating the same
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  sort of support for Doodles in the u.s., I don't know about
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  outside of the US, but for here, in the US.
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  And so we have people who are extremely passionate, and they
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  really are trying to create the same sort of systems, In the way
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  of support and education, push for health clearances, push for
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  ethical breeding push for reputable breeding.
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  All these different things just like we have from the purebred
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  people. At the end of the day.
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  Do we have to talk about where purebreds came from the first
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  person who had, what was called a Rottweiler, didn't ever
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  Rottweiler being worried? You know, and I get it.
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  Oh what's their purpose was it? You know what my argument is?
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  Their purpose is to be a freakin family pet to That's their
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  purpose as we move away from some of the.
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  I mean, we don't need dogs for jobs at this know.
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  Some people still do right? But not every dog needs a job.
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  I mean, Lucy's job is to be entertaining.
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  Make me laugh. Well, and, and if you were to go
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  and enjoy life, right? You know, that's her job.
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  I think outside of the purebred, the show, and the the
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  competition world. Yeah, I think we need to realize
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  that 90% of house. Holds are looking for a, an
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  additional family member just to hang out with not to enter into
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  competitions or two ago. Two shows with.
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  Yeah, the demand is is for a family pet this.
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  Yeah, a lot for a lot of people majority and the thing is if
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  you're like, oh I still hate Doodles, then don't buy one.
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  I mean, but like look, that's what people, like, choose their
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  own breed, right? Can you imagine if somebody told
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  me, you Like the Rottweilers, the absolute absolute dog for
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  you, but you absolutely can never have one.
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  No, it's not. Okay, I'm be like 90 wolf will
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  get some backlash on he saying, let people get the breed that
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  they want. Because the other argument is
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  there not a breed? Yeah.
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  Well, we don't care about that, right?
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  Like can we just have an easy conversation?
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  That's not what dogs be divisive?
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  Yes. Yeah there's so much of this
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  world that is so So divisive, let's just let people choose the
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  right dog and the right fit for them and give them the education
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  to do that. When they ask for our input.
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  Yes. Be prepared to give them that
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  information and give them other Alternatives.
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  Be prepared to answer some of those questions for them.
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  I know Heather answers a lot of questions about grooming that
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  comes up a lot in the doodle breeds.
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  So, one of the things that I think needs to be talked about
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  in It's to Doodles and really any dog that needs regular
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  grooming is that doesn't just mean.
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  Once every six weeks, you pop your dog onto a mobile grooming
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  truck and that's the end of your responsibilities.
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  If you have a dog that has grooming, true grooming needs,
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  then one, you need to be training that dog on how to be
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  comfortable with those needs so that can be anything from
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  brushing to clip. Purrs to a hair dryer.
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  You know, any of those type of requirements that's something
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  that needs to be ongoing so that they can be comfortable
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  throughout their life. When I have doodle clients come
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  to me, one of the first things in the training is pop them on a
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  grooming table. I guess that comes from my
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  background with my mom being a groomer when I was a kid, it
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  just makes sense to me. It goes Way Beyond just nail
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  trimmings for any dog that has to go to a groomer.
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  I think that the doodle groomers who Are quote doing it, right?
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  Or doing a good job of explaining these things to
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  owners. I know that Michelle got a
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  really good education on it and that needs to follow through.
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  It's something that needs to really be talked about and I
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  don't think that it's an area where we should use that as an
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  excuse to, then shame Doodles because there's plenty of breeds
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  that need consistent grooming brushing etc for them to be
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  happy healthy dogs. Let's instead flip it around.
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  Around and say, hey, it's great for this, dog, owner to have a
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  proper education on what this dog screaming is going to
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  require a long-term and that way everybody can be prepared
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  because it's also a financial expense grooming is not cheap
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  and it's something that you need to expect and take into account
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  for the longevity of your dog and then also finding a good
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  groomer. You need to be looking for a
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  good groomer. Not one week before you need
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  your dog to be groomed you. Looking for a good groomer, like
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  before that puppy ever, even comes home.
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  Just like, we talked about the support system and our last
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  episode for puppies if you are getting a doodle puppy, one of
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  the things that or any breed that is coated needs.
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  Regular grooming. One of the things that should be
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  on your support list is for a regular rumor.
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  That is something you will need for the lifetime of the dog and
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  I think just to be totally honest there's a lot of rumors
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  that don't accept Doodles anymore.
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  Fortunately so I think it would be important then to also know
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  how the groomer feels about Doodles in jail because even if
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  they allow them but they're like hey dude I was like that's not
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  where if I have a breed of dog that is allowed to go somewhere
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  but that person is like but I hate your breed right?
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  Like, that's not where I want my date.
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  I wouldn't take Tiago trainer that hates Rottweilers.
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  Yeah, say I wouldn't take Lucy to the trainer who hates
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  pitbulls you know or a veterinarian that hates right
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  Wells and I think probably in my opinion what happened was a lot
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  of those breeds that require regular grooming our specialty
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  Breeze like a Wheaten Terrier or a a Portuguese water.
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  Dog breeds that people know people who buy those breeds
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  know. Those are educated.
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  Yeah, educated beforehand and I think people got really excited
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  about Doodles and there's a lot of backyard breeders in the just
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  like every breed didn't educate. People.
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  Yeah, on on that. So they went into it and all of
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  a sudden. Now there's all these Tangles
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  and their dog and their dog of course is reactive and that is
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  being groomed because it's matted and and so I think as we
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  are here with a world of Doodles, let's just make sure
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  that they are as educated as any other breed.
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  Yeah, no chance for giving. Yeah.
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  Yeah. If you have a non-shedding breed
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  your you need to be brushing W. Tell me every day.
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  Yeah. And if you reach new curving,
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  and if you don't want to make the investment in the every
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  six-week grooming, you better take some grooming classes and
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  you better learn how to groom your own dog.
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  I do have friends who have learned themselves, how to groom
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  their chosen breed because they want to be able to do it
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  in-house and they don't want the expense and all that.
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  So they took it upon themselves to take grooming classes so that
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  they can groom their own dog. And that really is a thing.
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  Just a little sidebar. I I tried To groom Jenny Christy
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  Bertrand, Jenny, that's the black devil, everybody.
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  This is how to the next level. If you follow it, did not go.
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  Well, I just wanted to trim her up a little.
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  She was she said almost lat and like they were pillows of hair.
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  Just rolled it with black fur, right?
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  Black for everywhere and she had an undercoat and my book at
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  Jenni looks like a little Perky kind of mix.
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  Yes. And she thought there was nobody
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  to hold her. So I just find myself with no
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  idea what I was doing. Okay, to groom her with like
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  really cheap razor. You guys is very bad.
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  It looked like a drunk monkey. Shaved, her, my friend's
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  daughter goes, who was like three at the time was like, oh,
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  you did not do a good job, who is very bad, so grooming Is
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  harder than it looks guys. So if you're thinking, I do that
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  for people who take a class, okay?
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  Do not take McNeely. That is not the glass.
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  No, no, I was so convinced I could do it, and it was so bad
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  guys, so bad. Okay, that was a little sidebar,
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  that was frigging hilarious. Okay, so we're going to groom
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  are Doodles. Yes, we're going to educate
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  doodle owners on grooming being required and not be jerks about
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  it. Also, if you see someone who is
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  coming to training with their doodle or they are at a sports
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  competition with their doodle, can we not heat, please?
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  These people love their damn dogs, just like the rest of us.
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  They are out doing something with their dog, and we can't on
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  one side, say people don't do enough for Paragons, they don't
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  enrich their dogs, they don't blah blah blah their dogs.
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  And then on the other side have somebody out.
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  Out with a dog that isn't our choice and then be like, oh my
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  God. Why is it doodle there?
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  It's like, can we all just do damned if you don't.
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  Yeah. Can we all just get along and
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  just be there to support each other?
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  You don't have to love their doc.
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  That's okay that I'm not asking you to but just ask allowed to
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  give them up. Yes.
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  Yeah. And also I personally was at a
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  training event and everyone. There was a very unruly dog.
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  The back that everyone had pegged as a doodle and I mean,
• 24:18
  everyone was talking crap about this stock and so there were
• 24:21
  several of us helping us extra hands.
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  And everyone's like, oh, that doodle, oh that dude.
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  And I walked up and I heard everyone and I go you guys
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  realize that's not actually a doodle, right?
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  And I like, oh yeah, Doodles are still misbehaved.
• 24:34
  I said that's a Portuguese water, dog.
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  And it is unruly and it is having a fit but it's also a
• 24:40
  puppy. And also, what's happening?
• 24:43
  Now also, regardless of what it was that person needed support
• 24:46
  and that dog needed support. We didn't need to sit and talk.
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  Smack. Yeah.
• 24:51
  Who cares what breed it is? Like, let's just help them
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  because we have all had moments. Where our dogs even, perfect
• 24:58
  Tiago has not shown his best. Not tell lies about Tiago.
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  I know right on his sixth birthday.
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  Like what a dick am? I happy birthday.
• 25:08
  Tiago, Tiago 6. But really, just one and we're
• 25:12
  aging him. Okay.
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  So, what's the whole point of this whole thing?
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  What is whole point of this whole thing?
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  I think the point is, if we Shane people, we push them into
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  making the absolute worst decision which in our eyes would
• 25:26
  be going to an indiscriminate breeder who has just thrown some
• 25:30
  dogs together. Not educating not selling on
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  contract, not taking the dog back.
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  If there's a problem instead, can we educate and guide people
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  to a more informed choice? That would be in any breed a
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  breeder. Who is following some guidelines
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  that we would, you know, in quotation marks consider, right?
• 25:52
  Yeah. And just because it's not the
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  breed for you. That's okay.
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  Yes. Okay, if you see a doodle on the
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  street, we are not asking you to run up to that person and go, oh
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  my God, your natal. We're just asking you to not
• 26:08
  scoff at them to not judge them, or to be rude to them.
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  If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at
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  all. How about that?
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  How about that? Yeah, a lot of people just love
• 26:19
  the dogs that they have. That's all I want to do with my
• 26:22
  pit bull. Fuck.
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  Yeah. I've heard it so many times that
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  I shouldn't have gotten a pitbull.
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  I will pit bull. Let's not just let's not
• 26:30
  transfer that onto Doodles. That's not the real Slim is
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  that. Yeah, let's just, let's learn
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  from our past mistakes and realize like, hey let's not
• 26:40
  judge a whole breathe, don't be judgy bitches.
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  Don't move. We never judge any seat.
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  All right, so we're wrapping it up here.
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  Yeah, we're trying. If anything, we have given you a
• 26:52
  little food for thought. If you liked this episode,
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