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Lesbian Robot Dogs of the World...Unite! · Armstrong & Getty One More Thing

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  Speaker 1: Lesbian robot Dogs of the World Unite. It's one more thing.
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  Speaker 2: Thing, lesbian robot dogs.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's the short version. During the show, we talked
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  Speaker 1: about this paper, this academic paper that just came out
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  Speaker 1: that has caught people's attention, and folks sent us a
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  Speaker 1: link to just the beginning of it, which is the abstract.
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  Speaker 1: I guess it describes what the paper is. But to
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  Speaker 1: actually get access to it either had to pay a
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  Speaker 1: fee or have a sign on, and one of our
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  Speaker 1: beloved listeners is accessed it and got us the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the title of this Some bitch Queer Canine Becomings
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  Speaker 1: Lesbian Feminist cyborg Politics and Interspecies Intimacies in Ecologies of
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  Speaker 1: Love and Violence.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, they have to be trolling that I know.
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  Speaker 1: It's by Chloe Diamond Lenau, who is an actual professor
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  Speaker 1: at Eastern at the American University, which is in New
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  Speaker 1: York or somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: That sounds as one hundred percent as crazy as those
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  Speaker 2: fake papers that James Lindsay and his friends put out, yes,
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  Speaker 2: which which makes his point that things are so off
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  Speaker 2: the rails that you can't tell the difference between something
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  Speaker 2: that's real and what's not.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exaggeration is completely impossible. God you can do is
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  Speaker 1: what they did, and that's like equal the insanity, except
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  Speaker 1: yours is completely fake. But nobody can tell which makes
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  Speaker 1: the point. But you know, I feel like I ought
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  Speaker 1: to read the abstract, but it's so long. I'll hit
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  Speaker 1: you with it because Jack said, I, you know, it'd
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  Speaker 1: be interesting to get that whole paper and see how
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  Speaker 1: much sense it made on any level. And you're right.
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  Speaker 1: But so here's the abstract. This article offers a queer
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  Speaker 1: lesbian feminist analysis attuned to lesbian, queer trans canine relationalities.
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  Speaker 2: And that really sounds like chicks having sex with dogs?
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  Speaker 2: Is it not beastiality?
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  Speaker 1: I just I can't believe they're expecting me to plo
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  Speaker 1: through another queer lesbian feminist analysis to into lesbian queer
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  Speaker 1: trans canine relation analities.
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  Speaker 3: I just want to let you know this chick's pronouns
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  Speaker 3: are she. They.
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  Speaker 2: I like that.
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  Speaker 1: I like your your activist pieces of crazy ass Marxist garbage.
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  Speaker 1: Who who throw you the curveball of she? And you're
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  Speaker 1: thinking her? But no, no, I use she and they.
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  Speaker 2: If you call me her, I will be insulted.
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking at her Facebook, her profile picture is a
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  Speaker 3: purple fist with a banner that says, professor of lesbian
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  Speaker 3: dance theory.
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  Speaker 1: I don't mind watching lesbian's dance. That's my only theory.
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  Speaker 2: And somebody who makes a living doing that, yes, gets
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  Speaker 2: paid dance theory.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, to indoctrinate children into this incoherent gobbledegook of theory. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So I just that was like that was first sentence. Specifically,
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  Speaker 1: the article places queer and lesbian ecofeminism in conversation with
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  Speaker 1: Donna Harroway's work on the Cyborgan companion species to theorize
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  Speaker 1: the interconnected queer becomings of people, nature, animals, and machines
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  Speaker 1: amidst ecologies of love and violence in the twenty twenties.
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  Speaker 1: It takes two key case studies as the focus for analysis. First,
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  Speaker 1: the state instrumentalization of dogs and robot dogs for racialized
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  Speaker 1: and imperial violence. Oh, you got a little race in
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  Speaker 1: there too. I didn't see that coming. I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: got lesbian robot dogs. You wouldn't think there's time to
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  Speaker 1: work race in But that's where you'd be wrong. Let's see.
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  Speaker 1: In the second I'm sorry. In the first article, did
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  Speaker 1: I say that already? The article traces how dogs are
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  Speaker 1: weabonized as tools of state violence and proposes a queer
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  Speaker 1: lesbian feminist critique of white supremacy and militarization that can
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  Speaker 1: also extend to a critique of the violence committed through
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  Speaker 1: and toward the dogs. In the second whoop, the article
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  Speaker 1: analyzes how within lesbian, non binary and trans dog intimacies
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  Speaker 1: got to stop there, don't we again?
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  Speaker 2: They're having sights with dogs? Get to the fun part.
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  Speaker 2: Really just started discussing that.
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  Speaker 1: Transdog intimacies does Does that mean like transgender dogs? That's
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  Speaker 1: like a former boy dog who's now an alleged bitch.
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  Speaker 1: I prefer to use the technical term.
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  Speaker 2: I was taking it as the interactions between trans people
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  Speaker 2: and dogs.
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  Speaker 3: See I was with Joe. I sounded like a trans
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  Speaker 3: dog to me.
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  Speaker 1: In the second the article analyzes how within lesbian, non
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  Speaker 1: berry binary and transdog intimacies, dogs help articulate I think
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  Speaker 1: you're right, Jay, queer gender sexuality and kinship formations and
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  Speaker 1: as such, queer worlds for gender sexual and kin becomings.
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  Speaker 1: Entanglements of violence and love in these queer dog relationalities
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  Speaker 1: provide insights into the complexities of queer and lesbian feminists,
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  Speaker 1: feminist world building, and finally, lesbian and queer feminist cyborg
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  Speaker 1: politics can help theorize the potentials and challenges of these interspecies.
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  Speaker 2: And so I'm going to take at least a shot
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  Speaker 2: at what I think this is.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate the cyborgs in the end because it was.
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  Speaker 3: Wondering where the hell where did they come from?
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  Speaker 1: I would be back you remember that that was great.
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  Speaker 2: I think they believe that that because of our systemic
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  Speaker 2: racism and culture, dogs are raised in such a way
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  Speaker 2: to not be friendly to the trans lesbian community, and
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  Speaker 2: they have some concern that the robot dogs that are
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  Speaker 2: coming our way are going to be the same. And
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  Speaker 2: then when you end up with robot people like cyborgs,
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  Speaker 2: now you're going to have the robot dogs who are
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  Speaker 2: home transphobic, poorly treating the robot humans.
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  Speaker 1: What.
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  Speaker 2: That's my guess that what this paper is about. The hell.
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  Speaker 1: I think you may number one. I am impressed.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I admire you even being able to
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  Speaker 3: some analyze that.
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  Speaker 1: I think you may be one notch off. And I'll
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  Speaker 1: repeat the lessons lesbian in queer feminist cyborg politics can
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  Speaker 1: help theorize the potentials and challenges of these interspecies entanglements. Well, no,
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  Speaker 1: I think yeah, so so the relationship of a trans
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  Speaker 1: person with a dog, robot or otherwise can.
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  Speaker 2: Dogs are being raised to be transach and they're concerned
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  Speaker 2: that when we have robot dogs and robot people it
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  Speaker 2: will continue. Then we'll have transphobic robot dogs. How are
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  Speaker 2: you trans if you're a robot though a person? What
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  Speaker 2: difference does it make once you're a robot?
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  Speaker 3: What are we talking about?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm with, Kenny. I'm reminded of
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  Speaker 1: you know, you get somebody who's like a complete psychopath
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  Speaker 1: and does all these weird things, and people say, what
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  Speaker 1: were they thinking? No, no, you can't come up with
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  Speaker 1: a rational explanation for the irrational. You're wasting your time.
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  Speaker 2: You gotta pick out Michael.
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  Speaker 1: No, I was just thinking, this is why I took
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  Speaker 1: aerobics in college. Yeah, bowling, all right, I'm just going
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  Speaker 1: to pick a sentence or two at random. At the
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  Speaker 1: same time, it offers a model for a postgender world
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  Speaker 1: that can be ironically blasphemous and subverts its origins in
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  Speaker 1: the appropriation of women's bodies in a masculinist orgy of war,
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  Speaker 1: and other oppressive traditions, including the tradition of racist, male
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  Speaker 1: dominated capitalism, the tradition of progress, the tradition of the
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  Speaker 1: appropriation of nature is a resource for the production of culture,
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  Speaker 1: the tradition of reproduction of the self from the reflections
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  Speaker 1: of the other. One thing they sought to spend more
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  Speaker 1: time studying is grammar like throwing a period now and again, right,
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  Speaker 1: so I can break it down by phrase, masculinist orgy
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  Speaker 1: of war.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good band.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw them at the Warfield San Francisco.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, wow.
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  Speaker 3: I she wrote this out and then threw it into
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  Speaker 3: chat GPT and just said, make this as wordy and
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  Speaker 3: confusing as humanly possible.
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  Speaker 2: I would love to take a class with one of
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  Speaker 2: these people.
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  Speaker 1: Love it.
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  Speaker 2: God, I gotta see if I can take a class, like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure my universe sty has this sort of stuff
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  Speaker 2: in the town I live in, UC Davis. Take one
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  Speaker 2: of these classes and ask sincere sounding questions like just
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  Speaker 2: fully indulge their bullshit. Oh my god, you've really hit
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  Speaker 2: something here with me. The masculine orgy of war or
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  Speaker 2: whatever that phrase was expound on that for me with you.
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  Speaker 2: Just let them go on with their right.
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  Speaker 1: What's revealing about this and so interesting and odd is
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  Speaker 1: that this is again, I just picked another sentence at random.
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  Speaker 1: In doing so, the article develops a queer and lesbian
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  Speaker 1: feminist approach to living in coalition with the more than
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  Speaker 1: human with attention to what Stevens and Sprinkle name in
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  Speaker 1: this journal issue is cosensing an ethical embodied motive relating
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  Speaker 1: to the earth. It's the tune of the sensorial and
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  Speaker 1: activated through the erotic playfulness and joy. Every single sentence
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  Speaker 1: is so I mean, just stuffed full of jargon. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it can mean whatever they say it means, or mean
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  Speaker 1: nothing at all.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so happy to have become tutored by James Lindsay
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  Speaker 2: and his books and his tweets about how this is
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  Speaker 2: on purpose to make you feel dumb, because I no
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  Speaker 2: longer feel dumb when I hear this stuff. I realize
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  Speaker 2: you're trying to You're trying to, you know, pull the
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  Speaker 2: wool over my eyes by using a bunch of phrases
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  Speaker 2: and words that don't mean anything or only mean something
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  Speaker 2: to you and make me feel dumb. So I'll sit
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  Speaker 2: here and listen to this crap, right, and I don't
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  Speaker 2: feel that way anymore, which is good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it almost becomes a riddle. All right, what are
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  Speaker 1: they talking about? I'm reminded, you know, we got we
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  Speaker 1: did not get enough mileage out of the cliff that
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  Speaker 1: came out. Might have been during the crazy Columbia demonstrations
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  Speaker 1: like last winter, in which one of the leaders of
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  Speaker 1: the up with terrorism, which is actually just down with
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  Speaker 1: Western civilization. All of this boils down to tearing down
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  Speaker 1: Western civilization. And this gal, because of course it's an
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  Speaker 1: angry woman, was saying, you've learned your colonialist theory and
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  Speaker 1: your gender theory, and your queer theory and your Marxist
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  Speaker 1: theory or whatever. It's time to take all of your
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  Speaker 1: theories and put them into action. And that was a
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  Speaker 1: really good kind of summary what all of this is,
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  Speaker 1: All of those wackadoodal theories that fall under critical theory
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  Speaker 1: are all just different ways to attack Western civilization and
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  Speaker 1: bring it to its knees so you can infiltrate it
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  Speaker 1: and usher in your Marxist utopia. And all of this
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  Speaker 1: stuff is what that looks like inside the sausage factory.
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  Speaker 2: Shuh, I tell you this. I ain't gonna pay for
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  Speaker 2: my kid to sit in one of those classrooms and
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  Speaker 2: learn that crap. It ain't gonna happen. If they somehow
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  Speaker 2: decide they really want that, they'll have to take out
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  Speaker 2: a loan or figure it out on their own.
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  Speaker 1: One more, Just one more, can I please? Lesbian feminism
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  Speaker 1: integrated with queer ecofeminism, animal studies and critical posthumanisms provide
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  Speaker 1: tools to rethink non heteropatriarchal relations across more than human realms.
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  Speaker 1: Queer ecofeminism involves liberating the erotic alongside nature queers and women,
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  Speaker 1: challenging the hierarchical dualisms that link mind, body, reason, emotion, man, woman,
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  Speaker 1: you can't bipoc human, animal, nature, culture and heterosexual queer.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost impossible to believe it's real. It's almost impossible
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  Speaker 2: to believe it's real.
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  Speaker 3: I'm convinced for being trolled.
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  Speaker 1: By this she they I can believe that somewhere in
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  Speaker 1: a marria there's a crazy old man tunelessly playing the
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  Speaker 1: saw you ever seen anybody playing? I can believe that
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  Speaker 1: and accept it. The idea that someone's paying them to
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  Speaker 1: do that and they have tenure. That's where it gets
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  Speaker 1: crazy to me. And that's what this stuff is.
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  Speaker 2: The most important thing we learned from today's podcast that
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  Speaker 2: the purple fist represents what Katie.
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  Speaker 3: Oh sand circulat.
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  Speaker 4: Break Yeah, professor of lesbian dance theory. Yes, the purple
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  Speaker 4: fist is lesbian dance theory. Or as Joey said, your
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  Speaker 4: Scornchy's too tight around your wrist, you mind.
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  Speaker 3: Crutchy's too tight.
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  Speaker 1: Bad mittens another easy three units instead of this crap.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's it.