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The Kenny Report | 14 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks ed tonight.
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  Speaker 1: The energy crisis and AI is the alban Easy government
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  Speaker 1: smart enough to make sure we have enough reliable electricity
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  Speaker 1: for data centers. I think you know the answer. Shadow
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  Speaker 1: Energy Minister Dan teen will join me. And surprise, surprise,
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  Speaker 1: with all this national energy self harm going on, a
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  Speaker 1: new pressure group has sprung up to push for cheap electricity.
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  Speaker 2: I'll check in with them.
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  Speaker 1: The United Nations finally calls out Hummus for commandeering aid
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  Speaker 1: meant for Palestinians in Gaza. After years of blaming Israel,
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  Speaker 1: we get a little outbreak of truth.
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump is done with talking to Iran.
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  Speaker 1: I'll look at the latest with Kristen Tate in the
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  Speaker 1: US and with One Nation soaring in the polls in Victoria,
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  Speaker 1: where their next electoral contest awaits. I'll check in with
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  Speaker 1: Tim Blair, Stephen Senter Tempo and su'brien. Thanks to James
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  Speaker 1: Tomorrow for filling in last night. It's good to be back.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get on with it.
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  Speaker 2: Look, before we.
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  Speaker 1: Get into this other stuff, I've just got to mention
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  Speaker 1: Cricket Australia, Australia Day and the National anthem.
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  Speaker 2: This stuff, when you think.
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  Speaker 1: About it, is just so bizarre as to be almost unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: A kerfuffle about whether to play cricket on Australia Day.
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  Speaker 1: It's our national day, it's summer, it's a long weekend.
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  Speaker 1: We love a bit of international cricket on Australia Day.
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  Speaker 1: But someone somewhere, or a bunch of them over time
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  Speaker 1: wanted to be woke or something and it stopped. But
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  Speaker 1: now we get a Big Bash Final. It's not really cricket,
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  Speaker 1: but it's a bit of fun and it's something significant
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  Speaker 1: on our national day, and we get this cricket. Australia
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  Speaker 1: had no immediate plans to play the national anthem because
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  Speaker 1: it's not traditionally part of the Big Blash Final, and
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  Speaker 1: there are also cultural sensitivities around it, cultural sensitivities around
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  Speaker 1: a country singing its national anthem. If you can't sing
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  Speaker 1: your national anthem, then you can't be much of a country. Next,
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  Speaker 1: they want to do away with borders, but of course
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  Speaker 1: plenty of wanted to do that in the past, haven't they.
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  Speaker 1: This nonsense needs to be dispensed with. We need to
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  Speaker 1: reclaim our national pride and our common sense no wonder
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  Speaker 1: one nation is surging in the polls as a reaction
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  Speaker 1: against this established idiocy. Here's the national cricket team in
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  Speaker 1: sensible times, Australia, our country, A team for Australia, singing
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  Speaker 1: the national anthem for Australia.
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  Speaker 2: It's about as.
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  Speaker 1: Controversial as vegemide on toast. I mean, if you want
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  Speaker 1: some cultural sensitivity, how about we look at the way
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  Speaker 1: our test team likes to celebrate victory with an anthem
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  Speaker 1: of their own.
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  Speaker 3: So please at the counter three.
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  Speaker 2: We'll sing this loud and proud and make sure we
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  Speaker 2: enjoy this point.
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  Speaker 1: A native of our native land, Australia u efing beauty.
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  Speaker 2: Is that culturally sensitive?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I can tell you it's right
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  Speaker 1: and everyone with any sense in this country would agree
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  Speaker 1: with it, whether they're indigenous born here or an immigrant.
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  Speaker 2: Cricket Australia ought to.
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  Speaker 1: Change its name. Perhaps it's clearly ashamed of Australia. Perhaps
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  Speaker 1: you should escape all the history wars just call itself
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  Speaker 1: Cricket Gondwana Land. Even the United Nations has finally been
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  Speaker 1: forced into accepting and reporting the reality of what's happening
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  Speaker 1: in Gaza, turning the anti Israel narrative on its head.
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  Speaker 1: I'll show you that in a moment, but first let's
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  Speaker 1: look at how the Bondai Royal Commission has been sitting
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  Speaker 1: in Melbourne this week examining anti Semitism on university campuses. Now,
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  Speaker 1: as you know, our unis have been hotbeds of anti
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  Speaker 1: Israeli and pro Palestinian protests. The protesters have ignored the
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  Speaker 1: facts that have promulgated lies, and we've seen their so
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  Speaker 1: called political protests turning rapidly into anti Israeli and anti
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  Speaker 1: Jew hatred. Here's some coverage from Channel nine yesterday that
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  Speaker 1: starts with the perspective.
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  Speaker 2: Of a Jewish student from A and U in Canberra.
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  Speaker 4: I felt very physically unsafe when people would laugh, ho
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  Speaker 4: leer at me and say look at the baby killer,
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  Speaker 4: look at the genocide supporter.
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  Speaker 5: A tutor and PhD candidate at the University of New
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  Speaker 5: South Wales says he lost work there after reporting students
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  Speaker 5: for performing Nazi salutes, later reinstated after going to the
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  Speaker 5: Fair Work Commission.
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  Speaker 6: I stopped reporting them, even though I knew that it
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  Speaker 6: was so important to report anti Smitk incidents.
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  Speaker 3: I was scared that I was going to be fired again.
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  Speaker 1: So much of this hatred is inflamed by ignorance and lies.
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  Speaker 1: The students ran about apartheid in Israel, which is absurd.
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  Speaker 1: Israel as the most multicultural country in the Middle East,
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  Speaker 1: the only true democracy, one of the few places you
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  Speaker 1: can see Muslims, Jews, Christians, and atheists living side by side,
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  Speaker 1: along with gays, straits, socialists, capitalists, and people of every
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  Speaker 1: skin color and ethnic background. The protest has also rant
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  Speaker 1: about genocide, again an absurdity given the Palestinian population in
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  Speaker 1: Israeli territory has been growing faster than the.
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  Speaker 2: Rest of the Israeli population over time, and.
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  Speaker 1: Even in Gaza, after two years of intense war, official
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  Speaker 1: figures show the population has only fallen by about one
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  Speaker 1: hundred thousand people, the same number of people who have
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  Speaker 1: been able to leave Gaza. Another part of the false
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  Speaker 1: narrative has been that Israel has been targeting civilians in Gaza,
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  Speaker 1: when in fact, it has provided warnings and safe passages
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  Speaker 1: continuously to keep civilian casualties to a minimum like no
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  Speaker 1: other war has seen before. The protesters have also accused
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  Speaker 1: Israel of failing to deliver enough aid, when there has
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  Speaker 1: been evidence all along clear filmed evidence, along with eyewitness
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  Speaker 1: accounts that HUMAS has been the problem. Its heavily armed
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  Speaker 1: terrorists have been steering and commandeering aid from the Palestinian
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  Speaker 1: people to use it for its own terrorists, to stock
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  Speaker 1: pilot and to sell it at extortionate prices to fund
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  Speaker 1: its terrorism. Well, the United Nations, which as you know,
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  Speaker 1: has so often blamed Israel for all the ills in Gaza,
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  Speaker 1: has finally been forced to admit reality. The Deputy Aid
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  Speaker 1: Coordinator for the Middle East has strongly condemned the recent
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  Speaker 1: obstruction of humanitarian operations in Gaza by the de facto authorities,
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  Speaker 1: as they call them, saying they endangered humanitarian personnel, intimidated
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  Speaker 1: workers delivering life saving food assistants, and disrupted life saving
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  Speaker 1: humanitarian operations.
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  Speaker 2: The UN said humanitarian.
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  Speaker 1: Workers were forced to halt food distributions after armed personnel
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  Speaker 1: affiliated with the de facto authorities. There goes the de
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  Speaker 1: facto authorities again. These de facto authorities forcibly entered the
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  Speaker 1: food distribution point in North Gaza and a World Food
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  Speaker 1: Program warehouse, and they assaulted truck drivers delivering humanitarian supplies. Importantly,
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  Speaker 1: the UN says these incidents are not isolated. Of course
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  Speaker 1: they're not isolated. We've been talking about them and showing
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  Speaker 1: them here for years.
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  Speaker 2: And it's the United Nations.
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  Speaker 1: That has repeatedly failed to criticize what it calls the
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  Speaker 1: de facto authorities, which you and I would call the
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  Speaker 1: Hummas terrorists. The UN has always blamed Israel instead. And
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  Speaker 1: just in case you're in any doubt about the role
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  Speaker 1: of Hummas and how the world media wants to blame
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  Speaker 1: Israel instead, have a look at this exchange. When the
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  Speaker 1: UN spokesperson spoke about this latest statement.
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  Speaker 7: He wasn't referring to various oren militious, referring is You
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  Speaker 7: should read this statement. He was referring to the He
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  Speaker 7: was referring to the de facto authorities who are in control.
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  Speaker 8: She means Israel.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I want to undersetand.
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  Speaker 7: No, I think it does not mean Israel. I would
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  Speaker 7: take it as meaning Hummas.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Hummus, they are your problem. Who would have thought it? Hey,
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  Speaker 1: a bloodthirsty Islamist terrorist group that deliberately started the war
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  Speaker 1: by slaughtering twelve hundred people and taking more than two
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  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty one hostages, including eighty five of them
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  Speaker 1: being killed and among them women and children. Who would
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  Speaker 1: have thought that this terrorist outfit that still attacks Israel
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  Speaker 1: and perpetuates the suffering of its people, that still executes
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  Speaker 1: any Palestinian dissenters who would have thought that Hummas would
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  Speaker 1: be the problem hey or the UN just this once
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  Speaker 1: and after all this finally calls out Hummas for denying
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  Speaker 1: aid to the Palestinian people.
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  Speaker 2: Were wonders. Never cease.
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  Speaker 1: It's about time the protesters and most of the media
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  Speaker 1: caught up to Now AI is all the rage and
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  Speaker 1: the Prime Minister is going to deliver a major speech
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  Speaker 1: on AI tomorrow. This government needs all the artificial intelligence
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  Speaker 1: it can get because it sure lacks the organic variety.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, think about how they want AI companies to
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  Speaker 1: spend big money on data centers in Australia. Great idea,
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  Speaker 1: except the data centers need two things. The alban easy
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  Speaker 1: Labor government has set about undermining abundant water supplies.
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  Speaker 2: And cheap, reliable energy.
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  Speaker 1: On Channel seven on Sunday night, they showed one of
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  Speaker 1: the downsides of data centers in suburban Melbourne.
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  Speaker 8: And they didn't imagine this.
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  Speaker 9: You can certainly smell it, you notice it as you're walking.
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  Speaker 3: Past and off times.
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  Speaker 10: They do it at night, and you can be lying
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  Speaker 10: in bed and you can smell big waft of diesel
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  Speaker 10: fumes go.
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  Speaker 3: Through the house, which isn't terribly pleasant.
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  Speaker 11: Data centers rely on backup diesel generators that are regularly tested.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, diesel fumes not what anyone wants in these days
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  Speaker 1: of clean air and clean energy, is it? But why
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  Speaker 1: do they need diesel generators? Well, that's obvious, isn't it.
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  Speaker 9: Well, data centers should operate twenty four seven, and any
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  Speaker 9: disruption can be very costly.
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  Speaker 12: And there might be disruption in the power sources, right,
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  Speaker 12: we can have power outages if that happens.
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  Speaker 3: Diesel generator chicksine.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, our expensive and increasingly renewables fuelled energy grid is
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  Speaker 1: becoming more and more unreliable.
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  Speaker 2: Who wants data.
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  Speaker 1: Only when the wind blows or the sun shines, or
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  Speaker 1: only while your expensive batteries hold out? Data centers need electricity,
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  Speaker 1: lots of it. They need reliable electricity twenty four to seven,
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  Speaker 1: which is why, as I've mentioned before, the infamous three
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  Speaker 1: Mile Island nuclear plant in Pennsylvania, not too far from Washington, DC,
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  Speaker 1: is about to be fired up to look after Microsoft's
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  Speaker 1: data center needs to many.
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  Speaker 2: It means nuclear disaster.
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  Speaker 13: Nineteen seventy nine, it was the site of the worst
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  Speaker 13: nuclear accident in US history. But let's keep in mind
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  Speaker 13: nineteen seventy nine was like a long time ago. Right now,
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  Speaker 13: there's just this insatiable demand for electricity from the big
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  Speaker 13: tech companies.
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  Speaker 2: It's for AI. It's all for AI.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 2: A while ago they're.
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  Speaker 13: Like, we want nuclear because it's clean, it's going to
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  Speaker 13: help us save the world from climate change, and that
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  Speaker 13: sort of was a little bit of a motivation. But
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  Speaker 13: really the motivation now it's from tech, it's from AI.
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  Speaker 13: It's because they're money involved.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and another nuclear plant is being reopened by Google
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  Speaker 1: in the Midwest. Nuclear is the obvious power source for
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  Speaker 1: reliable and affordable energy without carbon emissions. Yet in Australia
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  Speaker 1: it remains illegal, even though we export uranium so that
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  Speaker 1: other countries can have the benefits of nuclear power. Our
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  Speaker 1: government argues nuclear is not commercially viable something our own
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  Speaker 1: billion dollar a year exports.
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  Speaker 2: Put the light to just more.
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  Speaker 1: Evidence of our ongoing national energy self harm. Our energy
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  Speaker 1: rich nation blessed with more coal, gas and uranium than
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  Speaker 1: we could possibly use. This nation that's a leading exporter
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  Speaker 1: of coal, gas and uranium, has made a policy choice
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  Speaker 1: under the alban easy labor government that aims not to
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  Speaker 1: use these three energy sources into the future. And so
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  Speaker 1: we have expensive energy and unreliable energy, and we undermine
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  Speaker 1: our economy, our people and our future. What geniuses bring
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  Speaker 1: on the wind powered AI revolution a contradiction in terms
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  Speaker 1: if ever I heard one. Let's stay on energy and
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  Speaker 1: catch up with Dan. She and the shadow Energy minister
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  Speaker 1: joining us live from Western Victoria. Good to talk to you.
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  Speaker 2: Dan. Let's cut straight to the chase here.
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  Speaker 1: If we want data centers and to be part of
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  Speaker 1: the AI revolution across economies globally, we need more electricity
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  Speaker 1: and more reliable electricity.
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  Speaker 2: And preferably more affordable electricity.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just as it's incontrovertible, isn't it.
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  Speaker 9: Everything you said in your introduction, Crease is absolutely spot on.
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  Speaker 9: It is extraordinary that this government that says it's committed
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  Speaker 9: hand on heart to getting to net zero by twenty
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  Speaker 9: fifty onets to do everything it can to reduce emissions
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  Speaker 9: and to solve climate change, will not look at nuclear
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  Speaker 9: when the rest of the world is there is a
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  Speaker 9: nuclear in naissance taking place in the US, in China,
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  Speaker 9: in Europe, and yet here we will send uranium and
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  Speaker 9: the Prime Minister will sign a deal with a straight
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  Speaker 9: face to send uranium to India and herald it from
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  Speaker 9: the rooftop, and yet he will not even allow the
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  Speaker 9: band to be lifted here for us to test whether
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  Speaker 9: it is commercially viable for us to use it here
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  Speaker 9: in Australia. And can I say when it comes to
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  Speaker 9: data centers, they're solving the water issue the latest technology,
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  Speaker 9: they're self cooled and they're solving the water issue. What
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  Speaker 9: they cannot solve for is the energy issue, and we're
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  Speaker 9: going to sea prices continue to rise here in Australia
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  Speaker 9: unless we can find more abundant sources of energy, and
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  Speaker 9: that means to start with using our own coal, our
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  Speaker 9: own gas, providing the opportunity for us to use our
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  Speaker 9: own uranium. And then where you can and where it's
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  Speaker 9: the right place and the right time, obviously use solar
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  Speaker 9: and use win. But if we don't have that base
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  Speaker 9: load power, forget about data centers and AI which are
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  Speaker 9: going to power the jobs of the future, especially for
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  Speaker 9: our young people here in this nation.
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  Speaker 1: This is the point I want to focus on a
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  Speaker 1: little bit because I don't think enough people understand this
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  Speaker 1: very obvious point. Certainly not enough people in federal cabinet
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  Speaker 1: in the Labor Party understand this point, and that is
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  Speaker 1: that our whole modern economy is based on cheap, reliable energy.
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  Speaker 2: The only reason Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Has been able to develop all the wonderful things we haven't,
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  Speaker 1: certainly any manuift factoring industry, was because we've had cheap
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  Speaker 1: reliable energy that's helped us overcome the tyranny of distance,
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  Speaker 1: among other things.
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  Speaker 2: Now we've undermined our own.
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  Speaker 1: Manufacturing and our own economic success in the last couple
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  Speaker 1: of decades by making that electricity much more expensive and
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  Speaker 1: increasingly unreliable. This AI revolution, which we know is going
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  Speaker 1: to change the way the world operates economically, we'll just
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  Speaker 1: miss out on that completely if we don't get back
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  Speaker 1: on track with affordable energy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely right.
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  Speaker 9: And you know my home state of Victoria, brown coal
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  Speaker 9: built the manufacturing sector here which powered this state and
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  Speaker 9: made it the greatest economic state in the nation. Now, sadly,
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  Speaker 9: what the Andrews and Allen government have done to it
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  Speaker 9: is killed that source of cheaper energy and manufacturing here
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  Speaker 9: in Victoria sadly has struggled ever since. And that's what's
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  Speaker 9: happening nationally. And if we want to be part of
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  Speaker 9: the future, we have to get back to providing affordable
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  Speaker 9: energy for our manufacturing base. And the way that development
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  Speaker 9: is occurring with AI is quite extraordinary, and they're now
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  Speaker 9: looking at what they call real AI, where they'll use
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  Speaker 9: artificial intelligence to help with advanced manufacturing. Now, if we're
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  Speaker 9: not part of that, you can forget us, forget about
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  Speaker 9: us catching up when it comes to our manufacturing sector
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  Speaker 9: and growing the industries.
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  Speaker 3: Of the future. We will just miss out.
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  Speaker 9: Young Australians will miss out, and all because of pure
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  Speaker 9: ideology and lies. Chris Bowen is out today again saying
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  Speaker 9: we shouldn't look at nuclear because all the modeling has
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  Speaker 9: been done, which says it's too expensive. Well I call
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  Speaker 9: that out for two reasons. One, if that's the truth,
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  Speaker 9: then lift the ban and let the market test it
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  Speaker 9: for one.
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  Speaker 3: And the second thing is change you're.
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  Speaker 9: Modeling, because all you're modeling fakes in Labour's eighty two
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  Speaker 9: percent renewable target by twenty thirty and net zero by
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  Speaker 9: twenty fifty. Take that out and then do your modeling
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  Speaker 9: on what's the best form of providing cheap, affordable and
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  Speaker 9: abundant energy in this nation, and your models would spit out.
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  Speaker 3: Something entirely different.
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  Speaker 9: It's all fabricated, it's all driven by ideology, and it's
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  Speaker 9: sadly going to hurt the future of this nation.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean they're modeling so that our power prices would
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  Speaker 1: be two hundred and seventy five dollars lower than they
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  Speaker 1: were five years ago, and in fact there are one
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars more expensive.
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  Speaker 2: So you can forget their modeling.
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  Speaker 1: I think the critical question of this, and somehow we
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  Speaker 1: need to get most Australians thinking about this, and that
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  Speaker 1: is not whether it's a choice between reliable, affordable renewable
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  Speaker 1: energy or coal or nuclear. It's a matter whether they're
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  Speaker 1: renewables model is actually achievable because no other country has
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  Speaker 1: done this, and no other country is even attempting to
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  Speaker 1: do this. The closest you could come to in terms
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  Speaker 1: of a decent modern economy without mountains of the hydropower
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  Speaker 1: would be Germany, where they tried to go down this
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  Speaker 1: path and they're already backtracking. They're all ready looking at
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  Speaker 1: extending the nuclear and coal and they have the life
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  Speaker 1: saving connection from France of nuclear power.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the point is, there's not a.
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  Speaker 1: Reputable expert who says that Labour can even deliver their plan,
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  Speaker 1: no matter how expensive it would be.
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  Speaker 9: You're absolutely right, and all everything points to the fact
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  Speaker 9: that they're going to fail every single target that they have.
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  Speaker 9: They're not going to achieve eighty two percent renewables by
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  Speaker 9: twenty thirty. There's not an expert in this country who
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  Speaker 9: says that they will. And even Chris Bowen, when it's
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  Speaker 9: put to eat, sort of stammers and stutters and cannot
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  Speaker 9: give a honest answer on that because he knows it's
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  Speaker 9: simply not true. And this is an ideological experiment that
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  Speaker 9: they're carrying out which is going to hurt us as
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  Speaker 9: a nation. And the sooner they come to terms with
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  Speaker 9: that and change course and pursue energy abundance. That's what
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  Speaker 9: China's doing, That's what the United States is doing, that's
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  Speaker 9: what Germany is doing.
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  Speaker 3: Now they've done a big u turn.
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  Speaker 9: They are pursuing gas like there is no tomorrow, plus
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  Speaker 9: looking to whether they can reboot their nuclear facilities. I mean,
• 21:35
  Speaker 9: everywhere else they know it's energy abundance, Yet here we
• 21:40
  Speaker 9: are still pursuing this blanket ideological.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Approach and it's so so damaging.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Well, the law is so obvious because Chris Bowen likes
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: to tell us, along with Anthony Albanezi and the rest
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: of them, that renewables are the cheapest and most affordable
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: and reliable.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Path to emissions free energy in the future. And if
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: they really belie believe that, they just need to.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Point to one other country that is going down this path,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: and they cannot point to one. No other country is
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: as stupid as Australia.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable. Thanks for joining us down team, will keep in touch.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: It is unbelievable what we are doing to ourselves on
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: energy in this country.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Point out another country that is getting rid of all
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: its reliable and affordable energy and trying to pretend it's
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: going to power itself on renewable energy and batteries, governments,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: subsidized batteries. No other country is trying it, No other
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: country is mad enough.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Yet Chris Bowen, Chris Bowen, that genius. He's going to
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: do it to you and this country. Give me a break.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Tim Blair who joins us from Victoria
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Every week and he writes to the Daily Telegraph. I
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: wasn't going to talk energy with you initially, Tim, but.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I know you just be a I mean, how nuts
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: can this country be and why can't we just lift
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: our and asked for where is where's the other country
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: jumping off this cliff?
• 23:04
  Speaker 14: Well, maybe we're looking at it the wrong way, Chris.
• 23:07
  Speaker 14: Maybe our friends on the left and in labor, maybe
• 23:12
  Speaker 14: they don't think that they're getting it wrong here. Maybe
• 23:15
  Speaker 14: they don't think that, you know, that bringing us a
• 23:18
  Speaker 14: total lack of power through solar and wind is a
• 23:20
  Speaker 14: bad thing. Maybe that's their intention. Maybe they're getting rid
• 23:24
  Speaker 14: of coal and banning nuclear and getting rid of any
• 23:27
  Speaker 14: potential even nuclear future. Maybe they're doing it because they're
• 23:31
  Speaker 14: too good, because they work. They'd rather have a crap
• 23:35
  Speaker 14: future for god knows what, only reasons, but that's apparently
• 23:39
  Speaker 14: what they're aiming to give us.
• 23:41
  Speaker 8: Work it out.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that theory could work, because if
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: we're all unemployed and sitting around campfires, no one would
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: join a union and their whole funding model would be
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: falling over.
• 23:52
  Speaker 14: Sounds like Canberra to me.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: But yeah, now you're column today looking at kemmy bad
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: knock in the UK. I thought it was pretty interesting because,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: to be honest, I thought she started off pretty soft.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: But there's no doubt that she's providing a strong alternative now.
• 24:08
  Speaker 14: She's come up with a great way of getting around
• 24:11
  Speaker 14: a problem which is also troubles the Coalition in Australia.
• 24:15
  Speaker 14: They've got to come out strongly now on a bunch
• 24:17
  Speaker 14: of issues that they've waiven on, especially things like climate
• 24:19
  Speaker 14: for example, where they've previously been all know, yay for
• 24:23
  Speaker 14: you know, ridiculous things that don't work, as we've just discussed.
• 24:27
  Speaker 14: But the problem is that they're having been in that
• 24:31
  Speaker 14: camp for so long to reverse course makes them look
• 24:33
  Speaker 14: a bit sort of you know, soft and wishy wash here,
• 24:36
  Speaker 14: and they may go back the other way. So her
• 24:38
  Speaker 14: solution to this, and I think it's terrific. She's not
• 24:41
  Speaker 14: going to let any pro climate change activist people run
• 24:46
  Speaker 14: for the Conservatives in the next UK election if they
• 24:49
  Speaker 14: don't recant on their previous ridiculous you know, I guess
• 24:53
  Speaker 14: you'd call them bow and escort turnbull like views. They're gone,
• 24:57
  Speaker 14: and that I think is a great way of dealing
• 24:59
  Speaker 14: with the problem. Those sort of people, you just can't
• 25:02
  Speaker 14: run them removed on the right direction.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because in your column you're reminded us of perhaps
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: the alternative point of view that was once put by
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Malcolm Turnbull. I will not lead a party that is
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: not as committed to effective action on climate change as
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I am.
• 25:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I suppose in the end he didn't lead that party,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: but then he didn't lead it again either, And by
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: contrast his Kevy bad Knock now.
• 25:30
  Speaker 15: That zero by twenty fifty is impossible. We have to
• 25:34
  Speaker 15: get real. Anyone who has done any serious analysis knows
• 25:39
  Speaker 15: it cannot be achieved without a significant drop in our
• 25:43
  Speaker 15: living standards or worse by bankrupting us.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: This is a killer point, tim This is what I
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: always want to come back to, because everyone says they
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: love renewables. I mean, who wouldn't want renewables if they
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: were reliable and last forever and do everything that there's
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: prom But we know it can't happen.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: We know this net zero world is not happening. So
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: who are we kidding?
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Who are Keevy Badknock's not going to allow anyone to
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: run that lie anymore on behalf of her party.
• 26:12
  Speaker 14: Absolutely, it's a very powerful argument to use about living standards.
• 26:16
  Speaker 14: And about nations going bankrupt, because it brings into very
• 26:20
  Speaker 14: sharp focus. I think the fact that so many activists
• 26:22
  Speaker 14: on the left who want net zero are economically insulated
• 26:26
  Speaker 14: themselves by virtue of their own wealth. They are very
• 26:29
  Speaker 14: rich people like Turmbul, like certain commentators in the ABC,
• 26:34
  Speaker 14: like various people around who are always going on about
• 26:38
  Speaker 14: climate change online. They tend to be in the very
• 26:42
  Speaker 14: upper levels of wealth. So it's not going to hurt
• 26:44
  Speaker 14: them too much. If, for example, we introduce penalties to
• 26:48
  Speaker 14: international flight, you know you could, or for example, electric
• 26:52
  Speaker 14: cars cost a great deal more substantially more than their
• 26:54
  Speaker 14: petrol or diesel equivalents. Doesn't matter to them. It's just
• 26:58
  Speaker 14: a few coins behind the couch. But for ordinary people,
• 27:01
  Speaker 14: that's where it really hits you. And I think if
• 27:05
  Speaker 14: more local politicians, especially go with the chemi bad knock line,
• 27:09
  Speaker 14: I think that would be it would be helpful to
• 27:12
  Speaker 14: the debate because it we'd clarify what's at stake your
• 27:14
  Speaker 14: living standards.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Now, Chim, I'm a bit loath to bring up this
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: next topic because I know you do your wonderful work
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: from home, and then you study showing that people who
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: work from home put on the put on the kilos.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: They put on the kgs. It's not good for your health.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Have you checked the waistline lately.
• 27:34
  Speaker 14: Well, I'm going against the trend. I've lost a few kilos,
• 27:37
  Speaker 14: so I'm doing well. I think the key to successfully
• 27:40
  Speaker 14: working at home, and that's not just personally successful, but
• 27:44
  Speaker 14: also for whoever's fortunate enough to employ the gainful work
• 27:48
  Speaker 14: at home individual. The key is massive discipline. Chris, You've
• 27:51
  Speaker 14: you've got to be alert to all the opportunities and
• 27:54
  Speaker 14: knuckle down and put in a solid eight maybe sometimes
• 27:57
  Speaker 14: even ten minutes a day.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Of exercise.
• 28:05
  Speaker 15: Thanks.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Catch up with you later and week.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Tim Blair there, get onto the Daily Telegraph website to
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: read all of his stuff and the other news court
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: websites of course around the country.
• 28:14
  Speaker 8: We had to take a break.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I want to continue on this discussion about our national
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: energy so far because there's a new group strung sprung
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: up that's pushing drastically across the nation for affordable energy. Okay,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: let's get back to the energy crisis and we all
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: remember this lie, this broken promise from labor before the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two election.
• 28:39
  Speaker 16: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Reducing power prices by two undred and seventy five dollars.
• 28:45
  Speaker 10: By twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars
• 28:48
  Speaker 10: a year.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Completely false and unachievable, of course, and retail prices have
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: kept rising.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: They rose by twildred and seventy five dollars.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Instead, and then another twi undred and seventy five dollars,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: and then another and another. Well, a new campaign has
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: now been launched. It's called Affordable Energy Australia. They're circulating
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: a petition calling on Australia's leaders to prioritize affordable and
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: reliable energy. Who would have thought something so basic as
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: that required a petition. You can sign the petition by
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: scanning the QR code on your screen.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I'll put that up again at the end of this segment.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: But let's bring in Zoe Hilton, who's joined us before
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: to discuss energy issues and she's now heading up this campaign.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again, Zoe. Thanks having why the campaign?
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Why is it so important to remind people of the
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: need for affordable energy?
• 29:37
  Speaker 17: Yeah, I think energy policy has been failing Australians for
• 29:40
  Speaker 17: too long. We need to put affordability back of the
• 29:43
  Speaker 17: central discussions. And we've seen the stats on this. One
• 29:46
  Speaker 17: in five Australian households are in energy hardship or on
• 29:49
  Speaker 17: the brink of energy hardship, and the same number are
• 29:52
  Speaker 17: struggling to put food on the table. One in five
• 29:54
  Speaker 17: cannot have steady meals. They are skipping meals due to
• 29:58
  Speaker 17: financial strain. And I think the two are very much
• 30:01
  Speaker 17: related because when you look at grocery prices, that all
• 30:04
  Speaker 17: feeds into the energy conversation because you've you've got diesel prices,
• 30:07
  Speaker 17: you've got the price for dreading the food. Like everything manufacturing,
• 30:12
  Speaker 17: it all comes down to the cost of energy. The
• 30:14
  Speaker 17: cost of energy is the cost of everything, and so
• 30:17
  Speaker 17: that has to be the set of the conversation. We
• 30:18
  Speaker 17: have to bring back affordability, not ideology. We need engineering,
• 30:22
  Speaker 17: we need economics, we need affordability.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Look, everybody knows about the cost of living crisis. Everybody
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: talks about energy is such a huge input to that,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: as you say, apart from your household bills, input into
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: all your daily groceries and the like.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Just focus on that.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: A little bit more before I broaden it, because we
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: all know about it. People are really hurting.
• 30:41
  Speaker 15: Now.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: The government must understand this because they were promising four
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: years ago to reduce power bills by two hundred and
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: seventy five, but on average that actually increased them by
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: more than one thousand dollars from that figure.
• 30:53
  Speaker 17: Yes, yeah, it has increased one thousand dollars more than
• 30:56
  Speaker 17: was promised for some consumers, which is really concerning. And
• 31:00
  Speaker 17: and honestly though, this goes back even further than that,
• 31:02
  Speaker 17: Like if we go back to the mid two thousands,
• 31:04
  Speaker 17: we're now paying two hundred and twenty percent more than
• 31:06
  Speaker 17: we were paying in two thousand and four. And so
• 31:09
  Speaker 17: this has just gone on for far too long, and
• 31:10
  Speaker 17: we just need governments to put affordability at the center
• 31:14
  Speaker 17: and to stop trying to meet unachievable targets and the
• 31:17
  Speaker 17: subsidies that is only going to drive up prices.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: It makes me.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Laugh when I hear government ministers talk about the electricity market.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Let the market the side.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: There is no free market in electricity is completely distorted
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: by the government subsidies and preferences for renewable energies and
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: subsidies for batteries and all the rest of it, and
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: trying to phase out fossil fills. But the point I
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: wanted to get your thoughts on was the broader point
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: about the economy, sure household pressure that I don't No
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: one wants to underplay the importance of families and people
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: on fixed incomes not being able to pay their bills.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: And how horrible that is. But it undercuts our whole economy.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: The whole system, jobs and free prize and the hospitals
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: and schools. It's all built on affordable and reliable energy
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: and we're undercutting that.
• 32:07
  Speaker 17: Yeah, it is really concerning because when you think about hospitals,
• 32:10
  Speaker 17: critical infrastructure, if we don't have reliability as well, that's
• 32:13
  Speaker 17: really really scary.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: One of the jobs their manufacturing. How are we going
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: to have.
• 32:19
  Speaker 17: We have lost thirty nine thousand, four hundred manufacturing jobs
• 32:23
  Speaker 17: in two years, the last two years alone. And it's
• 32:27
  Speaker 17: happening in all the other countries that are trying to
• 32:29
  Speaker 17: go down the path that we're going down. The same
• 32:30
  Speaker 17: thing is happening. I've just been in Germany. They are
• 32:33
  Speaker 17: the industrial powerhouse of Europe and they are destroying their
• 32:36
  Speaker 17: industrial base. Forty percent of companies are now looking to
• 32:39
  Speaker 17: offshore operations because their prices are too high, because they
• 32:42
  Speaker 17: have tried to go down the same path of building
• 32:44
  Speaker 17: intermittent energy sources and using those and blowing up their
• 32:48
  Speaker 17: power plants that we're providing this twenty four seven reliable power.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mentioned earlier.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I think that's the only comparable country when you're looking
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: for a for a modern economy looking to do this,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: and that they haven't gone as far Australia. They've already
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: hit those problems and they're trying to wind it back.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: And they've also had that power leading from France, which
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: is kind of handy. We're self contained. It's a hell
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: of a worry. You don't want to be partisan on
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: this as a group. You don't want to play party politics.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: And it's easy to point back just a few years
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: both major parties, the Coalition and Labor signed up to
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: net zero. The Coalition have come back from that. Now
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: it's the current government. It's their policies that are a
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: massive impediment. Now they ban nuclear for a starters and
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: they're still committed to net zero bout twenty fifty.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Can they achieve that?
• 33:36
  Speaker 17: I think if you ask any sensible person with an
• 33:39
  Speaker 17: answer by twenty fifty, you can be achieved. They'll just
• 33:41
  Speaker 17: tell you that's ridiculous. That's not going to happen. And
• 33:44
  Speaker 17: I think really it comes down to you, even if
• 33:47
  Speaker 17: we could do that with our electricity system, replacing liquid fuels,
• 33:51
  Speaker 17: replacing diesel and petrol, that's just not going to happen.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: As cultural emissions as well, how yes.
• 33:56
  Speaker 17: How are you going to do all of that? And
• 33:58
  Speaker 17: even when we look at the government's plan, the still
• 34:00
  Speaker 17: wanting to build gas like, they're still wanting to have
• 34:02
  Speaker 17: gas running and then we'll figure out some way of
• 34:05
  Speaker 17: you know, getting rid of those emissions somehow, but no
• 34:07
  Speaker 17: one really knows exactly how that's going to work. It's
• 34:09
  Speaker 17: all a plan on paper. But I think yeah, in
• 34:11
  Speaker 17: terms of the part is an issue. Really this is
• 34:13
  Speaker 17: something that should be by partisan. I think every single
• 34:16
  Speaker 17: party should have affordability at the center. That is what
• 34:19
  Speaker 17: we are calling for. We are not pro one party
• 34:21
  Speaker 17: or the other. We are pro affordability being at the center,
• 34:23
  Speaker 17: keeping all the options on the table. That is what
• 34:26
  Speaker 17: Australians deserve.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Zoe.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I appreciate Zoe Hilton there for this group, which is
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: called Affordable Energy Australia.
• 34:35
  Speaker 8: Have a look at the.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Petition there.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: We call on Australia's leaders to prioritize affordable and reliable energy.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: It shouldn't be too hard as what I all say
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: they want, but we've got to make them do it.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: If you hold your camera up to the screen and
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: get that QR code, you can sign up to that
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: petition to help put pressure on them on this very issue.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: We better take a break.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: After the break, we'll look at it International affairs with
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump, but he's done talking with Iran.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Open conflict in the Middle East again. I'll get the
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: lightest with Kristen titan.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Oh across to Kristen tight in Boston in the US
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: and just to my member first, the US has launched
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: a third knot of strikes against Iran, and he's the lightest.
• 35:20
  Speaker 16: From Fox News, President Trump says the military blockade of
• 35:24
  Speaker 16: the Straight offour Moves is officially back on, with plans
• 35:28
  Speaker 16: for the United States to charge a twenty percent toll
• 35:31
  Speaker 16: on eligible cargo.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: We're going to guard it, and we're gonna get paid
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: for guarding it a lot of money.
• 35:35
  Speaker 16: The escalation comes as both sides insists they're in control
• 35:39
  Speaker 16: of the critical waterway that transits about a fifth of
• 35:41
  Speaker 16: the world's oil. The US launching a new wave of
• 35:45
  Speaker 16: strikes Monday on dozens of sites in response to Iranian
• 35:48
  Speaker 16: attacks on container ships over the weekend. The US military
• 35:52
  Speaker 16: also unleashing a new kind of weapon, sea drones, Sentcom
• 35:56
  Speaker 16: releasing this footage of three Corsair unmanned vessels blowing up
• 36:00
  Speaker 16: in Iranian ship maintenance facility housing a submarine.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: This stays fire. As you know, who has been on
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: again and off again.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: But as I put to Christian, this looks like an
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: all aut conflict again. And the President has obviously decided
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: the time for talk is over.
• 36:17
  Speaker 11: Yeah, we're officially back at war. According to President Trump,
• 36:20
  Speaker 11: he has reset the clock. We have another sixty day
• 36:23
  Speaker 11: clock that his administration is able to use military in
• 36:28
  Speaker 11: the region without congressional approval.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: We have been launching.
• 36:32
  Speaker 11: Additional strikes against Iran today because they had, you know,
• 36:36
  Speaker 11: violated the the ceasefire agreement that was put in place
• 36:40
  Speaker 11: in June. So you know, this is just dragging out.
• 36:44
  Speaker 11: It's clear now that this was never going to be
• 36:46
  Speaker 11: a war that would just last a couple of weeks
• 36:49
  Speaker 11: or even a month or two. This could get very lengthy,
• 36:53
  Speaker 11: and you know, to echo your comments last week, Chris,
• 36:57
  Speaker 11: it really seems like President Trump is at a point
• 37:00
  Speaker 11: here where he needs to make a decision either take
• 37:03
  Speaker 11: care of this problem swiftly with bold action, or walk
• 37:06
  Speaker 11: away and be done with it. The American people, I
• 37:10
  Speaker 11: talk to a lot of them on both sides of
• 37:12
  Speaker 11: the aisle, They are really kind of feed up with
• 37:15
  Speaker 11: this conflict. They want to get back to those domestic issues,
• 37:19
  Speaker 11: but this is looking like it could turn into quite
• 37:21
  Speaker 11: a quagmire if something isn't done soon.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the President, as I said all along,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: you can't get a rational deal with the Iranians. People
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: have been trying that for decades. He even mentioned overnight
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: that people have been negotiating with Iran for forty seven years,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: has got nowhere.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Let's have a listening a little bit more from the President.
• 37:41
  Speaker 12: They made a deal, they broke it probably ten times.
• 37:45
  Speaker 12: We have them in a position that they don't have
• 37:48
  Speaker 12: any military. This is not a thing they can do
• 37:51
  Speaker 12: about it. All they have is fake news. Because they
• 37:53
  Speaker 12: have the fake news, would rather see us lose the
• 37:56
  Speaker 12: war than win the war, which is really craziness, which
• 38:00
  Speaker 12: has really treated to us in a second way.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Christian, I got to say, like what Donald Trump
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: is hard to keep up with. But the basic proposition
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: of dealing with Iran once and for all is something
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: that I support for the Middle East and for global
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: peace and security.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: But his idea of levying a toll on all the.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Seafaring traffic through the Strait of Forms and the fact
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: that Iran has no military, well, they've shown a capability
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  Speaker 1: to hit back strongly in recent months. So this, as
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: you say, could get worse for the American public, not
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: to mention the rest of the world.
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  Speaker 11: Yes, And what's increasingly frustrating about this is if you
• 38:42
  Speaker 11: talk to normal Americans, they still can't tell you what
• 38:46
  Speaker 11: success in that region looks like. What does it mean
• 38:49
  Speaker 11: to actually deal with this problem at this point? The
• 38:53
  Speaker 11: administration right now is telling us that it means reopening
• 38:56
  Speaker 11: the street of Warmos. I mean that was open before
• 38:59
  Speaker 11: we started this conflict. A lot of Americans are starting
• 39:03
  Speaker 11: to believe that the juice was not worth the sweeze here.
• 39:06
  Speaker 11: So this problem really needs swift, decisive action. And hopefully
• 39:10
  Speaker 11: Trump has learned his last and that negotiating with these
• 39:12
  Speaker 11: people is not going to get him anywhere.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean the three aims at the outset were,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: of course, to stop Iran exporting terrorism, to end its
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: nuclear weapons program, and to deliver regime change. Now none
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: of those objectives has been achieved as yet, although certainly
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Iran is less capable of exporting terrorism to the region
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: around the world that it has been for a long while.
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  Speaker 2: We will see.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: But the decisive action occurring militarily as we speak. Let's
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: go back to American politics, and it's been dramatic, a
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: dramatic few days when it comes to health. Of course,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: the sudden death of Republican Senator for South Carolina Lindsey Graham.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: And he's going to be replaced in the short term
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: by his sister until there's a a replacement for him
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: at the midterm elections.
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  Speaker 2: He's his sister, Darlen.
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  Speaker 18: Pit is such a privilege to get to finish some
• 40:07
  Speaker 18: of his important work. And I promise to work hard
• 40:10
  Speaker 18: over the next several months to support the president and
• 40:14
  Speaker 18: carry forward the efforts of my brother.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: DEI Lindsay Graham's sister there, she'll hold the job only temporarily.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: There'll be a full time replacement elected in the midterms.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: But another Republican Senator from Kentucky, Mitch McConnell, an older man.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: He's suffered a heart attack, and he's even published photos
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: of himself with the paper of the day to prove
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: that he's alive and show everyone that he intends on
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: returning to Congress.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Kristen, Yeah, that's right.
• 40:44
  Speaker 11: We've had two major health issues in her publican party.
• 40:49
  Speaker 11: The death of Lindsey Graham took everybody by surprise. It
• 40:52
  Speaker 11: was a very quick and sudden death after an apparent
• 40:54
  Speaker 11: heart failure of some sort. There are lots of people
• 40:57
  Speaker 11: online right now celebrating his death because he was called
• 41:00
  Speaker 11: a warhawk and all of this. But you know what,
• 41:03
  Speaker 11: Chris Lindsey Graham was an American patriot. I had the
• 41:06
  Speaker 11: pleasure of meeting him very briefly one time. I know
• 41:09
  Speaker 11: lots of people who have met him multiple times who
• 41:12
  Speaker 11: knew him. He was a funny, well liked person on
• 41:16
  Speaker 11: a personal level, just a great human being, someone who
• 41:19
  Speaker 11: cared about this country, even if you disagreed with him
• 41:22
  Speaker 11: on certain policies. So rest in peace, Lindsay Graham.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: He will be missed.
• 41:28
  Speaker 11: He was a party man. He was out there campaigning
• 41:31
  Speaker 11: with other Republicans like Blake Masters, who he didn't always
• 41:34
  Speaker 11: agree with great American Patriot, he'll be missed. And with
• 41:37
  Speaker 11: Mitch McConnell. He's desperate to prove he's alive. I pray
• 41:41
  Speaker 11: and hope he really is. The speedy recovery to him.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: We need him in the Senate.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Kristen Isaiah, thank you very much.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Chris Christ and tight there in the US.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Coming up, we'll talk about one nation soaring in the
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: polls in Victoria.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Steven Senta Tampa and Susie I.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Brown join me. Let's get onto our Tuesday panel of course.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: With Susi O'Brien from News Corps he's the National Education
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: editor with the News Court Papers, joining us from Melbourne
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: and steven Senter Tampa Radio two. I will see breakfast
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: host in Canberra. Thanks both of you for joining us again.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I'm a little bit staggered, Susie by a pole published
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: in the nine media papers today that show sixty one
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: percent of people support a plan or the policy objective
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: of reducing the price of housing cheap as creepers. I
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: guess they're answering thinking everybody else's house is going to
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: go down in price except mine.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: I guess it depends if you're buying or selling in
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: terms of what you want the house prices to do.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: But it's quite interesting there's quite a gap, like seventy
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: three percent of those who support house prices falling voted
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: for labor, but fifty five percent for one nation, which
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: shows that across the board there does seem to be
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: support for this move. And the government was counting on that.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: They knew there would be accusations of sneakiness and lying
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: straight after the budget, but it does seem to have
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: betted down which day as I say, we're counting on.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think is better down. I think they're
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: in a world of pain over their broken promise. And
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: the interesting thing here though, is that this is an
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: undeclared policy Stephen. And it looks like the labors by
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: their actions, looks like they're trying to suppress the price
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: of houses, send the housing prices backwards. But they say
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: that's not their intention. And again they point to modeling.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: They've always got modeling. They say, it's just going to
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: slow down the increase in prices. Bumpcome, it's pushing prices down.
• 43:46
  Speaker 8: Is it reputexis modeling? Who knows?
• 43:48
  Speaker 10: Look, Chris The reality is, though, if you want to
• 43:50
  Speaker 10: make housing more affordable, the prices have to come down.
• 43:53
  Speaker 10: And I've been saying for the last probably fifteen years
• 43:55
  Speaker 10: that the housing market has been too hot and it's unsustainable.
• 43:59
  Speaker 10: So I think most people have probably come to terms
• 44:02
  Speaker 10: with that. Now, whether or not you think it's a
• 44:05
  Speaker 10: good thing or not is going to depend on when
• 44:07
  Speaker 10: you actually got into the property market. If you've owned
• 44:09
  Speaker 10: a property for thirty years, a ten percent decrease or
• 44:12
  Speaker 10: even a twenty percent decrease in your house price is
• 44:15
  Speaker 10: not actually going to affect your equity. But if you
• 44:18
  Speaker 10: bought into the market during COVID, when money was effectively free,
• 44:22
  Speaker 10: you are going.
• 44:23
  Speaker 8: To be in a world have hurt at the moment.
• 44:25
  Speaker 10: So, I mean, it's almost like a tailor of two cities,
• 44:27
  Speaker 10: and it always is. We are in a two speed
• 44:29
  Speaker 10: economy to an extent. But the reality is that there
• 44:32
  Speaker 10: are going to be some people that won't really be
• 44:34
  Speaker 10: affected by this. And yes, it may help some people
• 44:37
  Speaker 10: get into the market because property prices have dropped off
• 44:40
  Speaker 10: a bit, but there's.
• 44:41
  Speaker 8: A lot of people that are going to go into
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: negative equity.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Now, yeah, yeah, this is the thing I just don't
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: think it's just not good for the economy.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: We all want better affordability.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: But I'd be looking at supply and cutting all the
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: unnecessary government costs rather than just seeing people's existing assets
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: depreciate recipe for the.
• 45:01
  Speaker 8: More supply will do that as well.
• 45:03
  Speaker 10: I mean, you put more supply into the market and
• 45:05
  Speaker 10: it will leave the market out too, So I mean
• 45:07
  Speaker 10: it's a double edged sword.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we will see. I wanted to move
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: on to another polot.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't like polling too much, but there's
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: a couple of poles that interesting me today. And so
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: this one's about devoting intention in Victoria, and that's staggering
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: to see one nation now heading above not just a
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: coalition but labor as well, very unpopular state government.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: There an election in November.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I was down in Victoria just a couple of weeks
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: ago speaking to people who.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Were switching to one nation.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: They seem to be undeterred by the fact that one
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: nation hasn't even picked all its candidates yet.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, who leads one nation in Victoria? Who would
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: be premier?
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: No one cares about who would be the member of
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: their local electorate. Nobody knows yet they're still telling the
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: pollster one nation number one.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're in a very strange position here, so where
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: the preferred party does have any candidates, and really does
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: it's pretty scant on policy. And so what's going to
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: happen is that surely you would have to think that
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: that strong one nation vote will eventually end up at
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: the coalition and certainly two party preferred. The coalition is
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: leading a head of labor. Now they need to pick
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: up sixteen seats and not win, not lose one seat
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: in order to win the election. And that's going to
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: be a big ask, it really is. But you know,
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: one nation could just swing it their way.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good lord, good lord. It is bizarre. No candidates
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: in place. You want to get rid of that labor government.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: The only thing that could save labor is the right
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: of center vote fracturing in this way, we'll see. Let's
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: have a listen to Angus Taylor who said this about
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: one Nation on two GB today.
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: Ninety five percent of that speech was against labor and
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: how they're wrecking this country. But I do what I
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: say what I say about one nation with a heavy heart. Frankly,
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: I say it with a heavy heart. Why, well, the
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: reason well, because I know many of the good people
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: I want voting.
• 47:10
  Speaker 8: For us I have, So you're inflicted when here.
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: I am not conflicted, and I'll tell you why. Because
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: they do not have a plan for the future of
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: this country.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Angus Taylor there with ben Fordham. Now, Stephen, this
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: is a big conundrum for Angus Taylor and how much
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: does he just attack labor and have an alternative policy
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: platform and how much does he attack one nation. I
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: had a long chat to him about these issues yesterday.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: In reality, he's got to do a bit of both, right, Well,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: well does he though?
• 47:43
  Speaker 10: I spoke to him half an hour after that interview
• 47:45
  Speaker 10: with ben Fordham on my program and he said, well,
• 47:47
  Speaker 10: I'm not talking about one nation, you are, when the.
• 47:50
  Speaker 8: Reality is that he is. And I think just ignore them.
• 47:52
  Speaker 10: If you give one nation enough rope, they'll hang themselves
• 47:55
  Speaker 10: because they don't have policies, they don't have candidates, they
• 47:57
  Speaker 10: don't have all of those things you need to win
• 47:59
  Speaker 10: an election. And I speak to people with inside one
• 48:01
  Speaker 10: Nation they say it's an absolute shambles from an organizational perspective,
• 48:05
  Speaker 10: so their ability to fight an election is almost non
• 48:08
  Speaker 10: existent as well. But he needs to be out there
• 48:11
  Speaker 10: pushing that alternative policy and maybe ignore the culture wars
• 48:15
  Speaker 10: a little bit.
• 48:16
  Speaker 8: Yes, some of that's important.
• 48:18
  Speaker 10: But get on to talk here about the economy and
• 48:20
  Speaker 10: how he's going to fix the economy. How is he
• 48:22
  Speaker 10: going to make housing more affordable?
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 48:24
  Speaker 8: The only answer I had.
• 48:25
  Speaker 10: When I asked him that, well, exactly, but the only
• 48:28
  Speaker 10: answer you had was how are you going to make
• 48:29
  Speaker 10: housing more affordable? Is well, we'll bring less people into
• 48:31
  Speaker 10: the country. But there's got to be more to it
• 48:33
  Speaker 10: than that.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: We are just a bit out of time. But quickly
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: to get thoughts from you on both on this. What
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: sort of.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: A completely conflicted country are we, SUSI When we think
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: is culturally sensitive to sing our national anthem on our national.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: Day, I think they should play cricket on Australia Day.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: We should sing the national anthem on Australia Day. And
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: sure there should be a welcome to country or something
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: like that, but yes, we definitely should be singing the anthem.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I reckon you're going to say, I'll allow you to that, Stephen.
• 49:04
  Speaker 10: It's only drive through cricket and its culturally insensitive to
• 49:07
  Speaker 10: me not to play the national anthem.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Spot on, spot on thanks for joining us again. Stephen
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: and Susie will catch you next week. Play the cricket,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: sing the anthem, love the country, Watson all make it bigger, better.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: In the future. Thanks for joining me. I'll be back
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: tomorrow night. He's Jamie Rodgers with Kredlin.