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The Iowa Bears? Stadium updates, analysis, takes and more · Da Windy City Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to the Winni City podcast presented by fan cited that is Alex Shapiro.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I am Kenneth Davis and this is where in the world is the business stadium.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Where will the bears land?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Will it be portage?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Will it be Gary?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Will it be Hammond?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Will it be Iowa?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Will it be Chicago suburb of Arlington most likely?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Or will it be where they probably should be in that is somewhere along the lake front?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yes, I know it takes you 90 minutes to get out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's gonna take you about the same time anywhere wherever they live.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At this point, go to St. Louis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: St. Louis needs a football team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That yeah, not ours, we gave them one already we gave them one already they can be they can be on they could be on the Illinois side of the river.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to put them in East Saint, the East Saint.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's where they're parted from.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Isn't Luther Barton.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That doesn't mean the bears need to be in East Saint.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For anybody doesn't know the Arizona former Phoenix Cardinals, which were in St. Louis, were here in Chicago initially.
1:06
[SPEAKER_03]: They played in what the Commissities field, which was torn down and across the street from.
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[SPEAKER_03]: G-rate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is this known?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so the bears hit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Chicago had two football teams for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's I think is more one of the longest rivalries also within NFL to go on with bears.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Packers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But no, we're not giving St. Louis our only football team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's still the Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, if they're the Chicago Bears in Iowa, if they're the Chicago Bears in Hammond, if this is Chicago Bears in Ireland tonight, why can't they be the Chicago Bears
1:43
[SPEAKER_03]: because it would take bears fan what four and a half hours to get to games.
1:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, this is why for instance, like Gary or Hammond wouldn't be as crazy because you, there are express what, and one like, it doesn't one thing about Indiana.
1:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Indiana in Chicago land, Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because when you go, you're not letting it go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because if you have to drive,
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[SPEAKER_03]: through Indiana and you're going south or you're coming up north.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like an obstacle course on their highways.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But Northwest Indiana is brand new, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's steak.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They read it that in the last five years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That that that thing is flowing right there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But like friends is where I live that I rent some weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's when you're in trouble.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but um, I mean, definitely Hammond.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, first is Hammond.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I went to, I basically went to high school at Hammond, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I can get to Hammond in seven minutes, damn near.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's how close Hammond is to the east side of Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, Hammond would be nothing, and my heart, I wouldn't like to hear, and it would be like just, you know, silly bar talk.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what we go to football team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess that's great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If that's what you want to say.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But of course, the bears are going to Arlington Heights.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know you wanted to talk about the portage Indiana situation with their special district that they're creating.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So go ahead, Alex.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, first, I was obviously kidding about the East St. Louis bears, but it is just hilarious.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How this thing has developed with now, Iowa entering the equation, Iowa just seems like, hey, you know what, hats off Iowa for throwing your hat in the ring?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why, why the heck not, but it is interesting as the Indiana situation has developed that maybe we could talk about a few of the key differences.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The first one, so Indiana has basically been putting together this bill that would allow for the financing and constructing of this mega sports complex.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, that from a tax finance situation from an investment situation in terms of like how much capital the bears after F to pay would be very agreeable for the bears.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It would be a lot cheaper for the bears.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That goes without saying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What's interesting, though, and a huge enormous key difference is that the bears would not own this stadium.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They would not be the owners of this project, and they would have to rent out the stadium just like they do right now from the city of Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So for those who don't know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: the city of Chicago owns soldier field and they have a lease with the Chicago bears and the bears pay rent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if and when the bears end that lease early, it's some, it's some time in the mid 2030s or early 2030s, 2033 off the top my head, they're going to have to pay some
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[SPEAKER_02]: When the bears, when Maddie Burflos came to town and said, we need to figure out this grass.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's talking with the city of Chicago about fixing the grass.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All the concerts that are happening,
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[SPEAKER_02]: at soldier field, the bears don't make any money off that that the city of Chicago is doing that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the idea of owning it is that now since the bears would own their stadium, they would get all the revenue from the concerts from the final fours, from the hockey games, et cetera, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then they would lose out on that upside.
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[SPEAKER_02]: from Indiana, because once again, they would be renters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They would not be owners.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So would it be cheaper and potentially easier for them to get into this place?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, probably.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But they lose a lot of that upside from now on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But there's, I think Alex, they will pay rent and they can own it after a certain amount of time, though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, after they pay off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I believe, yeah, I believe it is,
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[SPEAKER_03]: And this is from the trip, the bill will require a national football lead team to enter into a lease for the state in for at least 35 years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: After the term of the lease, the lease see would have the option to purchase the capital improvement for $1 if certain conditions are met.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I believe that stadium, I believe that how long is that lease at their second?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It would be a 35-year lease, but not that lease is over.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're already looking at their next stadium.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they didn't make it 30 years in Silverfield.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, yes they did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wait, they moved in the sort of, yes they did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Silverfield.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They moved into a 1970.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm going to tell them not push renovations.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm talking about push renovations.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll be okay, but I'm just saying like, I mean, but if you think about it, still at some point, it's not to, again, this is just me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is, it's not to build a whole new stadium.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, for instance, I would hope that the stadium they would build,
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[SPEAKER_03]: you can renovate it at some point.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Instead of we got to go to a whole other place and do this all over again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That doesn't even make, I mean, I would say it doesn't make fiscal stance, but if someone else is going to do it for you, hey, he does make fiscal stance, but I would think at that point still.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But okay, hypothetically, say this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They own that, at that point, after 35 years, they own the land, and they can do whatever they want as far as, you know what, we can go to soldier field and play for a season like they went to Champaign or Banner, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then, because that's another, I've never even said this, I'll not never cross my mind.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you just put this in my head if the bears have to again renovate went not if when whatever new stadium is built has to be renovated You know one place they can go and play and they don't have to go down state they can take their ass to soldier field because soldier field It's then gonna go in they're not gonna rip it down You know what I'm saying like so it's always gonna be an option to play games at soldier field depending on something happening
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm saying, but again, it's the option with that for them to lease the land.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know that most fiscal sense is of course, Arlington.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You own the land.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You have this space.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's in northern suburbs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot of bear's fans, a lot of money in northern suburbs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You wouldn't have to come to the city.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I will say, I do think at some point, and I know bear's fans are, there's the most rabbit fan base in Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and do the fact that the limited amount of games they have, it's never really the risk of losing games, losing capital when they're bad.
8:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, fans may not show up, but those PSLs and those tickets have been sold.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, they're still capitalizing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It may be hurting them when it comes to beverages and things like that, you know what I'm saying, when it comes to food, and not being able to sell that stuff if there's less people in the stadium.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But to me, of course, I think the city is always the best place because it just makes the most sense to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I've grown up driving down Lake Shodra in my entire life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's right there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And to think that they're not going to be there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I know people say, why do you care?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just a part of my history.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's part of being a kid with my dad.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and the bears always being right there and taking it for granted in some cases, um, that the bears are always right there, but of course, I think Governor Prisker, um, has made had conversations I know when, um, Roger Gideo NFL Commissioner was in town, allegedly, they supposedly they met.
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[SPEAKER_03]: to talk about a couple of things as far as infrastructure and perhaps what the state will do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the state has because of the pressure that the bears of Evgenda with this Indiana leverage play.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It seems like they're going to get more help when it comes to building bears king them out in our own designs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so as a reminder for what the bears have said they will do and what they are asking for as it relates to any stadium inside of Illinois, they have basically said we will build the stadium ourselves.
10:14
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're not asking for any public money, any tax dollars, any help building the stadium.
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[SPEAKER_02]: what they want help with is the infrastructure around it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that might be redeveloping the land so they can put up a hotel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That might be redeveloping and redistricting areas so that they could put up bars and restaurants.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that, as you said, also involves the infrastructure adding, they already have a metro stop out there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But hey, can we add more so that it can accommodate more people?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can we add some parking lots?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can we add some more lanes on the highway?
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[SPEAKER_02]: How do we change the ingress and egress to make sure that traffic isn't an issue?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because right now, I'm pretty sure traffic would be an issue if people tried to drive, if you have 70,000 people trying to drive down there for a game, that would be an issue.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they won't help with that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's pretty reasonable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that there has been a recognition that like yes, it is reasonable to ask for the help with the infrastructure, ask for the help for the stuff that is not the stadium.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The biggest, biggest issue has always been and remains property tax certainty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The bears want to know what their property taxes are going to be when they tear this, they already tore the sucker down and they had to find it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was fight to the nail for.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was for tax purposes, too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I was like, get that bill for a second.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To reduce the value of that thing, so that you're paying less property taxes on a thing because it's a vacant lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So hey, what are the property taxes going to be?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's a big lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, what are the property taxes going to be while we're building it, et cetera, et cetera.
12:07
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's been a big big sticking point, but according to a lot of reporting out there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: with all of this pressure from Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And now Iowa is really, I was doing it for Lewis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That the bears in the state of Illinois are getting closer because if you ask me, I agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There is a certain nostalgia to having the bears on the lakefront.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That exterior shot, that blip shot of soldier field by the lake and bam, there's the museum campus.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And out in Arlington Heights, it's going to look like every other stadium complex that has been put in a suburb somewhere, of which there are many, many, many, many across the country, these suburban stadium complexes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you lose some of that Junicequat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But from a financial standpoint, it just seems like an opportunity and I felt this way from start to finish even when Indiana made this big push with this bill that was going to help them build a mega complex, the opportunity to own it, to own the thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And to build bears kingdom to me is just too hard to resist when by the way, they already bought the thing and what are you going to do are you going to are you going to sell Arlington park for pennies on the dollar because you already raised it and I guess I guess I just eat that L they could just eat that on say you know what this was a mistake we're moving out of our lives we're cutting bait.
13:47
[SPEAKER_03]: But, well, think about the racetrack wasn't going to be used anymore.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it wasn't like tearing down the racetrack that you were going to put back in the use.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Also, most stadiums aren't owned by the owners.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like Jerry doesn't own Jerry World.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like a lot of those stadiums, it's sweetheart deals that the owner still, really it's, do you have control of the stadium?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's the real thing that you're seeing, like when you talked about the grass and the city being in charge of that, what you wanna have is, you know what, even just some tax-wise is kind of cozy, but yeah, the city you had it, but we control what happens to your, basically, so it's basically ours.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of places have that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm with you, I would have bought,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Listen, city would have told me, so it just feels so long ago, and then it makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, like, especially how corrupt Chicago is, you think I can't get some politicians on my side to give them to move that over into my life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I bet I bet financially it benefited them.
14:44
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because they did, they were things that as far as upkeep that they didn't have to worry about paying for it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So if that way, hey, okay, and we only use it so many times a year think about like hypothetically and that's another thing where it's like, okay, this Arlington Heights thing, can you make it a destination?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Which I'm not saying it can't because initially it's going to be brand new.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be nice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's going to be a destination because people are going to want to go see it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But one, if your anchor tenant is bad.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, the bears look like they're not going to be bad.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If Ben Johnson stares their head coach and Caleb becomes who we think and hope Caleb will become.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Dennis Allen doesn't leave.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But if you keep that, bears look like they're gonna be good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So then that place is gonna be a place where bears fans turn out because bears fans will turn out.
15:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I was listening to Wattled Sylvie think last week and they were on this funny because people were talking to them like, you guys, what they're my hardest is because it's closer to you.
15:45
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're like, yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if you want them closer to Indiana because it's closer to you, that's fine with me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, yeah, that makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Me, Indiana will be closer for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: for us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean like that's even from where you're at.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're just talking about a ride on a Dan Ryan and then you bust a left and you're right there basically, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, but again my heart of hearts and again it's just my desire and no one cares what I think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and that's quite fine with me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I, I want them to stay on the lake for I did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I enjoy the images that were put up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, the renditions that were made of how it would look.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think about Ted Phillips and how he must, I would say secretly, but he probably is not secretly within a house, I mean, of the, um, McCaskey family, how he must talk, it's crazy about Kevin Warren for flipping the switch.
16:41
[SPEAKER_03]: When he had the Arlington thing going and then Kevin Warren went to go to Chicago and they went back to Arlington and I'm sure Teflips is like, I told you, right, and it is what it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, because you have the advisor that did it and then stepped away and then you have the new guy coming in and is like, let's put him in the city of the Chicago Mayor, Brandon Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I saw him on the television the other day saying it still should be in Chicago.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's now, it's not going to be the same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: his brand judge and say, let him leave.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to be the mayor that let the bears out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Look, there's walk, right?
17:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, guess what?
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[SPEAKER_03]: He, as far as when they actually leave, he won't be probably the mayor that they walk away on that shovels in the ground.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, when they leave, probably not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So.
17:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, man, the salt isn't salty in the streets, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just saying it's salt.
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[SPEAKER_03]: First, any Chicago man, you know, and again, it's not putting this up right in Johnson, but when daily, you know, in daily was out when the salt trucks wasn't presoulton.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, when there's not been presoulton going on and I don't know who's telling you how this works, but man, these streets have had not been taken care of in the one at a time and what things Chicago was to do not play about.
17:52
[SPEAKER_03]: I will say this, the pot holes have been been fixed quickly for winter time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: because if you live in Chicago and it gets cold and the old pot hole gets popped out because it constricts and now you have this deep hole and I've had to hit some holes and a week and a half later it's I'm I'm shocked.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm I'm grudge on drive run away.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wait, that's filled in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I will give props.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's your ultimate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's that's your ultimate man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will look, you got to get props here, Alderman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, look, I've seen it in different places.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's just not where I live on the east side.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've seen it further through the parks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, just, I've seen, it's, I've seen it where it's like, hold on, okay, usually this doesn't get fixed.
18:33
[SPEAKER_03]: So I want to give, I want to give that.
18:34
[SPEAKER_03]: But the salt trucks aren't pre-salting, but yeah, I would love if the bears remained on the lakefront.
18:41
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a beautiful thing to know.
18:45
[SPEAKER_03]: During the winter time, there's no chance of another football team coming in there.
18:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody, bears aren't going to allow it to happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They call it cardinals, bring them back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: still control if another team can come into their territory and they're not going to say yes regardless of their in Indiana Chicago or all of the highs they're not going to say yeah bring in competition please bring that abs team in so that we they can still money from what that's still will take money away divert money from our coffers but yeah Alex anything else as far as the where you you said of course you prefer the subject the museum campus really what
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[SPEAKER_03]: you prefer the museum campus.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Any other thoughts as far as the bears and what may take place in the future when it comes to their stadium?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, my personal preference aside from the jump.
19:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Our LinkedIn Heights has made the most sense.
19:39
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to figure out the money and that has obviously been more difficult than they thought it might be.
19:47
[SPEAKER_02]: In terms of the property taxes, Allington Heights remains the best option for the Chicago Bears.
19:55
[SPEAKER_02]: And bottom line, I have been steadfast in my belief that Allington Heights is where the bears are going to end up.
20:02
[SPEAKER_02]: It simply makes too much sense.
20:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to say this to you talked about pennies on the dollar with what they can do with that property.
20:09
[SPEAKER_03]: They could also have someone that wants to renovate or do something on the land and maintain partial ownership of it.
20:17
[SPEAKER_03]: So they could make money off of the property because there's one of these landlords.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm still partially owner and even if you even look at the thing we talked about as far as the sports district out in Indiana and after 35 years, they can buy it from you, you could have a set up similar to that or depending on if it's, if it becomes valuable, it's another asset for family that, unlike a lot of these families that own teams, all the bears owner of the bears, they don't own home depot, you know what I'm saying lately wealthy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you know, so it can actually be something that is used to, oh, we have the team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We have the great stadium deal and we have whatever the hell is out there in Arlington that we have some ownership in too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But as you said, wherever the hell's going to be in Arlington will be the new stadium for the Chicago Bears.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's basically a fair to complete.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're not going to Indiana and that damn sure not going to Iowa.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Also,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Alex, what's since you're hanging out with people from the urban environment, when we say East St. Louis, we just say East St. Louis, we don't put the link on it.
21:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just East St. Louis, you definitely don't want to end up with no salt don't East St, but you probably don't want to end up in East St, it's like banging a little right.
21:49
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's transition over to something that's going on with the Bears team.
21:56
[SPEAKER_03]: We, of course, know that Declan Doyle has become the offensive coordinator for the Baltimore Ravens, which again, one thing that we had talked about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: was what was going to happen and was it going to be a situation where, um, what's his name?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Passagant Coordinator Taylor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Press Taylor.
22:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Press Taylor will become the bear's office of coordinator.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The guy that does the work throughout the week.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Four bears had coach Ben Johnson since he is the play caller and press Taylor has been bumped
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[SPEAKER_03]: So now the question will be, who will be the passing ink coordinator if they keep that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And remember the bears are supposedly bringing in a will-lawing from Boston College who played a college ball with
22:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Bears hit coach Ben Johnson Hughes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was Seabrible leave and Ben Johnson was a backup quarterback.
22:53
[SPEAKER_03]: We talked about of course Eric Biemany being gone and them replacing him with former assistant Eric Studtsville as the the running back coach
23:06
[SPEAKER_03]: But your thoughts on the bears with a lot of offensive transition and again, this is one of the best things that we've always feared.
23:15
[SPEAKER_03]: What happens if bears are good and offensive coordinators and you think about like you lost and you really went in on this well, you lost Eric B. and you lost Beckland Doyle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right, and unfortunately everybody and I think sometimes they may bite the bears in about a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But unfortunately, that's going to happen when you have what looks like one of the best play colors and perhaps innovators in a fail as a young head coach in Ben Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, but the best part is you keep Ben Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, they see people are going to, let's say, Declan Dolpe does well.
23:50
[SPEAKER_03]: The bear is gonna lose off its coordinate as like as they're the ramps.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, like, and again, hey, does it hurt Sean McVay?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, I'm sure he would like to keep guys around, but Sean McVay has been sniffing, if not winning a Super Bowl, he's been sniffing around it often.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We talked about it here already, that rebuild after Aaron Donald retired.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We thought we'd take longer and they weren't right there almost at the Super Bowl again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they would have been a team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think Seattle,
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[SPEAKER_03]: could have still a definitely won it, but they would have been a team, but they got bad vibes, they got my Seattle, they were going to beat the Patriots, you know, like the, they, they would have made the Patriots with a score a little bit more, but they were going to beat the Patriots, but this is a situation when you have a premium office of play caller, people going to pick a street, and even though like, does he have a tree, like Declan Doyle was with him for a year, all right, like, like the interesting thing,
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[SPEAKER_03]: will be guys that have been here for a couple of years and really been in part of the system when we see them leave because I mean, I think Declan Doha will definitely help to Ben Johnson.
24:55
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, um, I don't know the intricacies of with them not coming in together like if they both were with each other in,
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[SPEAKER_03]: with the lines and he was, let's just say he was passing game coordinator.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So he's been in Ben Johnson with Ben Johnson all this time and Ben Johnson perhaps leaned on him even more again, not knowing how much Ben Johnson leaned on Declan Doyle, but you get what I'm trying to say when someone's doing something well and you know here, I can give this to you.
25:23
[SPEAKER_03]: You've been doing it together for three years and you lose that person.
25:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a bit more difficult than somebody you're just getting to know and they're already gone.
25:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
25:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
25:33
[UNKNOWN]: So
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[SPEAKER_02]: Press Taylor, we talked about it a couple of episodes ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a guy who is really just gonna help Ben Johnson organize his thoughts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Declan Doyle was he a voice in that room and he bring ideas to the table.
25:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course he did.
25:49
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is Ben Johnson's offense.
25:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Ben Johnson is the play caller.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is his support staff.
25:56
[SPEAKER_02]: You mentioned it was Sean McVay, right?
25:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, the Sean McVay take a step back when his offensive staff leave, calcium and as an addon offensive coordinator to billion years.
26:05
[SPEAKER_02]: But when Clint Kubiak leaves, does he miss a beat?
26:09
[SPEAKER_02]: When does he miss a beat?
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[SPEAKER_02]: When does he miss a beat?
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[SPEAKER_02]: When these guys,
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[SPEAKER_02]: lose their offense according to Andy Reed and the chiefs when Matt Naggy leaves when Eric Oh, no, no, the chiefs miss a beat.
26:23
[SPEAKER_03]: No, yeah, when Eric gave me left, they did actually kind of start because that's when it got to.
26:28
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going on a streak of one win, I mean, of one score victories and all of that.
26:32
[SPEAKER_03]: So it did actually impact them to a degree.
26:35
[SPEAKER_02]: But they were still winning super balls and they were still one of the best teams they have seen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And
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[SPEAKER_02]: every single year.
26:43
[SPEAKER_02]: No, my point remains is the bears will be fine.
26:48
[SPEAKER_02]: And what was really important for the bears is again, to get a guy who Ben Johnson can trust, a guy who knows what Ben Johnson wants.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Press Taylor was already in that building, as you said, already
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[SPEAKER_02]: He knows the drill, he knows what Ben Johnson is looking for, he knows what kind of help Ben Johnson needs.
27:11
[SPEAKER_02]: So now, yes, well, he got a pay bump, will he get more responsibilities, a thousand percent, but
27:18
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's still going to be Ben Johnson's offense and it's going to be still going to be Ben Johnson calling the place.
27:23
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't expect this to be this huge massive thing like they're still going to run the ball with whoever they're running back.
27:31
[SPEAKER_02]: So are they're still going to have this Caleb Williams doing under center and play action stuff off of that.
27:37
[SPEAKER_02]: They're still going to have him rolling out will there be a couple cuby draws some extra cuby draws maybe press Taylor will have his voice will grow will grow in that room.
27:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, but it's still Ben Johnson's show.
27:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you mentioned, uh, long, it's just really interesting.
27:54
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's again.
27:54
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a guy who Ben Johnson knows.
27:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And that boss in college to the NFL pipeline, that boss in college and the, the Bears connections, just continues.
28:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Ryan polls a boss in college guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They have gone to that well time and time again as a trapelo boss in college guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um,
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, you know, this is just it's interesting that after Ben Johnson really got out of his comfort zone when he built his first staff brought in a lot of guys he was not connected to which I think was very commendable it's probably a scary thing to build a staff of guys who you don't really know now goes a little bit more into his comfort zone with these hires.
28:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I mean, but that's also a good thing to a degree and even on the flip side, that was a lot on the defensive side, but now that you know how it is as a head coach having a year, it makes sense to now, in some cases, look for perhaps like mind it, but also people that have variations that can add to you as you go into 201 from 101.
29:07
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's that if there's a healthy again this year, particularly offense, and you're talking about what 201 may look like with the running the running game ahead of schedule.
29:17
[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, if Caleb can improve his completions, that'll be a discussion down the line for us to have on here you would think I'm not saying now he's going to leave the league in completions, but he shouldn't be the worst.
29:27
[SPEAKER_02]: when it comes to completions and I'm wondering around 65% that's here.
29:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think something that you also said, some episodes ago, now you know what he likes.
29:38
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, so now we can we can picture that more often and work going perhaps why he doesn't like something and and improve that or tweak that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: something that he becomes confident in.
29:50
[SPEAKER_03]: So again, it's a great thing to have the guide that we never had as a bear's hit coach and that is an offensive with skit and we look forward to seeing how it moves forward.
30:02
[SPEAKER_03]: Moving forward Alex, anything else you want to add?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you have an extra point?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, sir.
30:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I do have an extra point.
30:08
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll bring an extra point to the table.
30:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I've mentioned before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My wife and I go in through Oscar nominated films before the Oscars begin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just something fun to do when our son goes to bed early and we got time on our hands.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and we watched our first documentary of the year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: kind of makes the angry and sad all the same time.
30:38
[SPEAKER_02]: That film was the Alabama solution, which I believe you can find on HBO basically talking about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: a number of truly awful things that happen inside Alabama prisons and the people up top pulling the strings and doing really nothing about it because Alabama problems need Alabama solutions and trying to swat away federal agencies from sticking their nose in it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and swatting away federal agencies from figuring out what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And having real justice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, if you would like a film about criminal justice that'll make you mad, we'll make you upset and we'll shine light on a real problem happening in
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[SPEAKER_02]: Alabama, Alabama solution, hell of a film brought to you by the guy who did the jinx, the jinx another great series for HBO.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The footage that these guys get and I'll wrap up with this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What's really incredible about what these filmmakers do is they obviously did an incredible job building sources and building trust.
31:48
[SPEAKER_02]: with these inmates inside these Alabama prisons and it's a handful of Alabama prisons and basically the almost entirely
31:58
[SPEAKER_02]: The film is shot on FaceTime or shot with these iPhone videos or phone videos, rather not necessarily iPhone, but phone camera that the inmates themselves are recording because everybody inside a prison has a phone and they get into that as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the access, the character building, the trust building, the source building, the story telling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: is extremely powerful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're looking for a documentary, recommend the Alabama solution.
32:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, out in the, my extra point on the ladder note, it hit me.
32:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think we've talked since, uh, I went to that concert last week.
32:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, Tony Braxton.
32:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Julie with Tony Braxton is first you need off with new addition and boys to men then we get to Tony Braxton was good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Tony Braxton has lupus so you could tell that her first her voice is still immaculate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone's voices except Sean from boys to men to her degree and I don't know if it's an audio issue.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I know when Brandy and Monica was here, and I don't know if maybe some audio person has changed at the UC, but it seemed like boys to mention some time couldn't hear themselves or something, and particularly someone group this, it's all about harmonies.
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[SPEAKER_03]: New dishes was really spectacular.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This new dish in concert was better than the one I went to with them, Jodacy and Charlie Wilson and Charlie Wilson and Charlie Wilson.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mark the stage up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: in Casey.
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[SPEAKER_03]: New edition was better.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They were more energetic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The show, how was set up was a lot better, how the show, how quickly they switched between either voice to men in New edition or a mixture of both one of Tony's Braxon songs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They had on the jumbo screen voice to men singing the harmonies.
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[SPEAKER_03]: when Ralph Tresma, at least angered of New Edition, did some of his solo stuff, one of his solo songs, voiced him, men back to him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm sure for them, it's a big deal.
33:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Being like, yo, we got to be basically new addition with Ralph Tresma.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So times they were all on stage together, but like, Bob Brown, you know, and it is an act.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, one, he is out of shape, but it's one of those things is like they play into it, but he can't move like the rest of them, but how well,
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[SPEAKER_03]: of the members of New Edition, the any heartbreak new edition.
34:18
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's Sans Bobby Brown, how well they're all moving.
34:21
[SPEAKER_03]: And I felt like this as far as Ralph Treswell, and this is, I've seen him twice live, but even on television was one of his best performances.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He sounded so good.
34:31
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a really good concert.
34:32
[SPEAKER_03]: I would have, if I knew it was gonna be that good, I probably would have got closer seats.
34:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Because we were just not like me kind of like because we were we were going to look to kind of get a box, but they want to like six plus 600 plus per person, and it was like, dude, no, it's well, that's well, it's for taxes it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we're talking about 1350 probably after you pay for taxes or whatever.
34:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not paying that.
34:58
[SPEAKER_03]: But it was like, okay, a couple weeks out and we were looking, me and Demaz and we found some seats just to say, let's just go in the house, being a house and check it out.
35:08
[SPEAKER_03]: So it was a great show if they're coming to a city near you, I would check it out if I were you if you enjoy any of those groups, but you had a great time having a hanging out with, you know, saying my guy, his wife, and the old lady.
35:21
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, great times.
35:23
[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, sometimes, you know, you just need a little bit of relief.
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[SPEAKER_03]: everything is going on out here in the world and Alex and I always appreciate you out if you got something to say before we get out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So actually, Pearl, I am Kenneth Davis.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is the Wendy city podcast and we will see you on our next episode.