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Hear it! Mom fights back, beats up man trying to carjack minivan and kids · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: To all of you joining us at Crime Online and
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. It is Christmas Eve, and I want to
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Speaker 1: and now is one of my greatest blessings. Merry Christmas.
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Speaker 1: I am writing a book and I've been pouring over
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Speaker 1: facts and statistics and this name popped up, Dorothy Baker.
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Speaker 1: And when I read her story, I have to share
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Speaker 1: it with you. It could just save your life. How
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Speaker 1: many times have I walked into the Ecorts as I
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Speaker 1: call every single drug store I go into, whether it's
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Speaker 1: Write eight or walk Rains or CBS, I call it
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Speaker 1: all the Eckert. We were going into Eckert. So we
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Speaker 1: came out and I realized I had not watched my
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Speaker 1: car and I couldn't believe that I had done that.
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Speaker 1: How many times moms have you done that? Dads? Well,
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Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker came out of the CBS, took off with
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Speaker 1: her two little boys, and was attacked Crime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. It was just an ordinary Friday afternoon. The
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Speaker 1: mother walked out of CBS with her two kids. She
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Speaker 1: put them in the backseat of the vehicle, even though
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Speaker 1: her locks didn't always work, she never even imagined that
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Speaker 1: somebody could be hiding in the back. You don't come
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Speaker 1: after people with kids. And I told him that he
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Speaker 1: messed with the wrong which that wrong which is named
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Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker. Because of her quick thinking, two year old
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Speaker 1: Jaden and five year old Xavier are safe tonight. They
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Speaker 1: were all shopping at CBS when police said fifty four
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Speaker 1: old Ismael Martinez hidden their unlocked van. He popped up
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Speaker 1: out of the back seat and said that if I
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Speaker 1: didn't want my kids to get hurt, that I would
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Speaker 1: do exactly what he said. Don't mess with Texas, or
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Speaker 1: at least a Texas mommy. I Nancy Grace, this is
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Speaker 1: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us and with
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Speaker 1: me right now to tell the story herself. She lived
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Speaker 1: to tell the tale the mom who not only fought
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Speaker 1: back against a carjacker, she put him in the hospital.
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Speaker 1: I could not be happier, Dorothy Baker. Welcome. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us, and thank you for having me.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Dorothy Baker. I appreciate your long pause
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Speaker 1: when you said he missed with the wrong, which, but
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Speaker 1: I want to hear the whole story. From the very beginning.
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Speaker 1: First of all, you're going to the CVS. Was it
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Speaker 1: in broad daylight? It was, Yes, it was broad daylight.
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Speaker 1: What time of the day was it? It was towards
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Speaker 1: the morning. It was probably around time o'clock that morning. Dang,
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Speaker 1: I mean also joining me crime online dot com investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter Nicole Parton, juvenile judge and lawyer, founder of Childcrimewatch
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Speaker 1: dot com. Ashley Wilcott, hit show host, investigation Discovery Fatal Vows,
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Speaker 1: doctor Brian Russell, and forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, author
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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet, forensics professor Jacksonville State University.
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Speaker 1: It's hard to believe, Ashley Wilcott. First thing in the morning,
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Speaker 1: coming out of the CVS, you gotta be ready for
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Speaker 1: a PERV in the back. See to your car. That's
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Speaker 1: kind of hard to take in. Can you imagine? And
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Speaker 1: you have a two year old and the five year old,
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Speaker 1: which of us wouldn't freak out? And you don't imagine that,
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Speaker 1: you'd think that would never happen to you, And you
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Speaker 1: know here she gets in the car and look who's
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Speaker 1: hidden in the car. Well, don't mess with Texas. I
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Speaker 1: just can't save it enough. Baytown Mom Dorothy Baker takes
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Speaker 1: two of her six children You deserve a metal lady
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Speaker 1: with her to CVS. When she got back in the
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Speaker 1: car with her children, a PERV is hiding inside with
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Speaker 1: a knife. So Dorothy, you go into the CVS and
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Speaker 1: you come back. You've got you two little boys. What happened? Then?
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Speaker 1: I got him in the car. We went through the
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Speaker 1: driver's side, front seat, and I had him climb over
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Speaker 1: the seat and my five year old was buckling up
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Speaker 1: my two year old and we take off. And what
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Speaker 1: kind of car is it? It was a It was
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Speaker 1: a dodged Grand Caravan. It was a minivan. So you
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Speaker 1: have a minivan like me? Okay, as I always say.
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Speaker 1: Lucy asked me the other day, Dorothy, Mom, orre we
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Speaker 1: ever get in a new car? I said, no, never.
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Speaker 1: This is our car for the rest of our life.
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Speaker 1: We call it the war Wagon. So you're getting into
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Speaker 1: a van and you all get in on the driver's side. Now,
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Speaker 1: does it have one of those instant door openers where
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Speaker 1: you just push the button and it opens. No, it
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Speaker 1: didn't have that. But my key fob, I guess there
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Speaker 1: was some kind of deep factory default or something like
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Speaker 1: that or defect. And when you impress so the key
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Speaker 1: fob to lock the doors, the doors looked locked, but
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Speaker 1: they didn't always lock. And I wasn't Yeah, I wasn't
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Speaker 1: aware of that. M Jackie Hammard here in the studios
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Speaker 1: saying that happened to her. So you all get in,
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Speaker 1: We do that too. I like everybody to get in
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Speaker 1: on one side because I try to park on the
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Speaker 1: side where there's not the traffic. So we get in
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Speaker 1: on the side without traffic. So we also all get
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Speaker 1: in on one side. So they get in Dodge caravan
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Speaker 1: on your side, the driver's side, and I'm pretty sure
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Speaker 1: that you did not go and search the far back
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Speaker 1: and you get in. They put on their seat belts,
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Speaker 1: and then what happened. I drive away and my son,
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Speaker 1: my oldest boy, decided that he was gonna unbuckle a
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Speaker 1: seatbelt to try to get the donuts, and I told
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Speaker 1: him to sit down. Wait a minute, how do donuts
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Speaker 1: get into this? Where were the donuts? We had actually
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Speaker 1: saw the man at Kroger's right across the street. I
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Speaker 1: went to Kroger's first. You saw him at Kroger, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And I was walking into Kroger's because um, I was
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Speaker 1: going to grab a few items and then turn in
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Speaker 1: a red box DDD. And did you say Krogers with
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Speaker 1: an S on the end? Yes? See? Okay, no boy,
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Speaker 1: I thought nobody did that. But everyone in my hometown
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Speaker 1: of Making, Georgia either says Kroger's or the Krogers. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so I say it too. I have been corrected. All right,
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Speaker 1: So you see this guy in kroger All right? Then
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Speaker 1: what happened? Um? Well, when I first saw him, I
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Speaker 1: had to pass by him. I thought maybe he might
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Speaker 1: have been a worker. But um like the feeling that
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Speaker 1: I got when I saw him, my whole body just
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Speaker 1: kind of moved away from him, like I don't need
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Speaker 1: to be around him. He had a very bad vibe,
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Speaker 1: if if you can believe that. Hold on right there.
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Speaker 1: I hate to keep interrupting you, Dorothy Baker, but you're
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Speaker 1: just giving me so much information. I'm like drinking from
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Speaker 1: a fire hydrant. Hold on, hold on, doctor Brian Russell,
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Speaker 1: lawyer and psychologist, and you and all your degrees. Very
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Speaker 1: often I think you pooh poo me when I say
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Speaker 1: people have a gut reaction and I say that quote
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Speaker 1: hunch is bred born of thousands of years of evolution.
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Speaker 1: Things that you notice that you may not even realize
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Speaker 1: you notice. I mean, we're not at the top of
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Speaker 1: the food chain for nothing, doctor Brian. Okay, so there's
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Speaker 1: something about this guy that rubs her the wrong way
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Speaker 1: that she just physically wanted to get away from him
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Speaker 1: in as she says Krogers, what about that, Doctor Brian,
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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with anything that you just said. I
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Speaker 1: don't poop pooh that at all. And I love this woman.
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Speaker 1: I love this woman. I think she's a hero. And
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Speaker 1: I think you know, anybody who thinks that there's anything
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Speaker 1: wrong with this or God forbid, as we've seen in
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Speaker 1: a couple of similar cases where people think, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: we have to we can't have vigilanias and we have
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Speaker 1: to file some charges against this woman. Come on, the
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Speaker 1: laws should be. It should be that you try to
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Speaker 1: carjack a woman and her kids, she gets to run
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Speaker 1: you down. Hey, long story short, this is self defense
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Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: She says. Martinez waved around a large night He directed
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Speaker 1: her through nearby neighborhoods, demanding she stopped at an ATM.
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Speaker 1: Baker kept driving, but used one hand to try to
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Speaker 1: call nine Wall one. He climbed over the seat on
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Speaker 1: top of me, and he was trying to get my phone.
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Speaker 1: When Baker refused, she says, Martinez got violent, slashing her
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Speaker 1: chest and biting her hand, and I took my fist
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Speaker 1: and I hit him in the face and I told
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Speaker 1: him to get out of my car. Once he got out,
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Speaker 1: this mother rebbed her engine. Before she knew it, her
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Speaker 1: would be attacker was screaming from underneath her car. I
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Speaker 1: didn't mean to run him over. I was just trying
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Speaker 1: to stop him so he didn't hurt anybody else. Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Martinez was lifelighted to a Memorial
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Speaker 1: Hermann Hospital with serious injuries, and that's what matters. You
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Speaker 1: are hearing katrktvs Poujia Lodia talking about superstar Dorothy Baker
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Speaker 1: who saved her two little boys two of six. I
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Speaker 1: might actually needs a medal for that. You were just
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Speaker 1: hearing Charles Flugians talking right now with us Dorothy Baker.
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Speaker 1: Dorothy goes into CVS with two of her little boys,
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Speaker 1: ages two and five. I believe comes out, gets in
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Speaker 1: the car she thought her Dodge caravan was locked. It wasn't.
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Speaker 1: They all get in, they drive off, and suddenly this
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Speaker 1: PERV that she had just spotted in Kroger emerges from
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Speaker 1: the backseat. That's what I want to talk about, Dorothy again,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. How did you first
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Speaker 1: realize this freak was in your car? What I told
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Speaker 1: my five year old son at the time. He got
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Speaker 1: up to get some donuts and I told him to
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Speaker 1: sit down. Well, when he went to sit back down,
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Speaker 1: he actually saw the guy and he said, hey, who
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Speaker 1: are you? Oh my stars, and I looked in my
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Speaker 1: rear view mirror and that's when he grabbed my son
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Speaker 1: and put the knives in my son's throat. Dorothy, right now,
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Speaker 1: I have got chills on both of my arms and legs.
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Speaker 1: Just I remember one time John David had had a
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Speaker 1: blow to the head on a basketball court, a really
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Speaker 1: bad one. He was in the spital for four days
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Speaker 1: and we thought he was okay. Then about two or
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Speaker 1: three weeks later, I was putting him in Lucy to
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Speaker 1: bed and he went, I see two mommies. And I'll
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Speaker 1: never forget that feeling, because I thought, oh, my stars,
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Speaker 1: he's got a slow bleed to his brain. Luckily that
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Speaker 1: is not what happened, but that moment you hear that
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Speaker 1: sentence and it sticks with you forever, and you heard
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Speaker 1: your little boy say, hey, who are you? And then
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Speaker 1: what happened? Um? Well I was I was kind of shocked.
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Speaker 1: I gasped and um. The first thought in my head,
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a knife to your son's throat.
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Speaker 1: First thought in my head was Bill Panicum, because I
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Speaker 1: knew if I if I panic, none of us were
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Speaker 1: getting out of their life at all. There there was
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Speaker 1: no way. Um. My second thought was he really messed up.
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Speaker 1: You don't You don't mess with my kids at all.
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Speaker 1: So um, I but at that point, you're are you
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Speaker 1: actually you're driving and he's in the back or the
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Speaker 1: middle state with a knife to your son's throat. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: what did he say? I asked him? I said what
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Speaker 1: do you want? And he said, UM, you're gonna do
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Speaker 1: what I what I tell you to do, or your
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Speaker 1: kids are gonna get hurt. And I said, um, so
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Speaker 1: what do you want? He said, I need some money
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Speaker 1: and I said I don't have any cash on me.
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Speaker 1: He said, well, you're going to figure out how to
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Speaker 1: get it. Or your kids are gonna get hurt. And
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Speaker 1: I said, okay, okay. At this point, were you in
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Speaker 1: the parking lot or were you on the highway? No?
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Speaker 1: I was. I was actually driving through the neighborhood almost
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Speaker 1: to my house and um almost stars, Thank goodness, you
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Speaker 1: didn't get all the way to your house and he
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Speaker 1: gets in your house. So then what happens? No? Um,
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Speaker 1: I turned away and my first thought was to go
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Speaker 1: back to Kroger's because it's a populated area. I knew
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Speaker 1: I needed to get around more people because I'd have
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Speaker 1: a better chance and my kids would have a better
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Speaker 1: chance at surviving the situation. But then he told me
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Speaker 1: not to go back to Kroger's. So he figured out
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Speaker 1: what you were doing. I mean, Joe Scott Morgan, you're
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Speaker 1: the forensics expert. She's driving, she's got another child, and
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Speaker 1: he's got a knife to the little boy's throat. I mean,
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Speaker 1: what could she do at that point she's driving. I
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Speaker 1: mean if she tried to jump out of the car,
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Speaker 1: he could kill the boy, or the car could be,
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Speaker 1: you know, just take on a life of its own
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Speaker 1: and kill everybody in it. And yeah, you're kind of
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Speaker 1: in a lose lose situation here. I am absolutely amazed
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Speaker 1: by this woman's bravery and just how cool she is
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Speaker 1: in this moment. Tom, But I think that that that
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Speaker 1: cool that she here is kind of a steely vengeance.
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Speaker 1: It's about to be visited upon this guy to crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigate a reporter Nicole Parton, And all
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Speaker 1: of this started at the local CVS across the street
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Speaker 1: from Kroger, right, something that most of us, as moms
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Speaker 1: do weekly. We go out to a local area. We
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Speaker 1: think we're safe, we think we're shopping, we think everything's
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Speaker 1: gonna be okay. We go out and we're suddenly attacked.
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Speaker 1: It can happen to any of us at any time. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: what's so amazing is a she lived, but ba was
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Speaker 1: she first saw this guy in Kroger. She knew too.
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Speaker 1: She felt physically moved to just get away from him. So, Dorothy,
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Speaker 1: here you are. You're back in your neighborhood. He's got
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Speaker 1: a knife to your son's throat. He tells you don't
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Speaker 1: go back to Kroger. What do you do? I keep
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Speaker 1: him talking, I keep looking at my rear view mirrors.
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Speaker 1: I'm driving, I slow down my speed. I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: only twenty miles and dollars through neighborhood. But I slow
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Speaker 1: down significantly. I'm creeping, probably going about ten maybe fifteen
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Speaker 1: miles an hour, because I need as much time as
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Speaker 1: possible to assess how I'm going to give him away
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Speaker 1: from my kids and up into the front seat with me.
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Speaker 1: That's my only objective at this particular time. I need
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Speaker 1: him away from my kids. And he's given me directions.
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Speaker 1: Oh he's giving you directions. You know another thing, Dorothy
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Speaker 1: Baker or Texas mom. He only you only saw him
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Speaker 1: because your son said, hey, who are you? He was
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Speaker 1: back there. I guarantee you trying to get to your home,
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Speaker 1: and the Lord only knows what would have been unleashed
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Speaker 1: if this guy had gotten into your home with you
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Speaker 1: and your children had gotten you in there. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to this. The men in her van, police say
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Speaker 1: was Ismael Martinez. He threatened Baker and her kids with
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Speaker 1: a knife. He was looking for two hundred bucks. I
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Speaker 1: told him I didn't have any cash, and he said
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Speaker 1: I'd better figure out a way to get some or
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Speaker 1: he was gonna hurt my kids. Baker knew she had
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Speaker 1: to act fast. Martinez. She said climbed into the front
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Speaker 1: seat and was standing in the middle attacking her while
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Speaker 1: she drove as kprctv's Jennifer Bauer, how did he get
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Speaker 1: from the back up to the front seat, Dorothy. When
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Speaker 1: he was giving me directions, he asked me to take
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Speaker 1: a left on a street on East Jams and that
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Speaker 1: left turn would have more than likely ended our lives.
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Speaker 1: And I know this. He wanted me to go to
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Speaker 1: an ATM at a gas station that was very rarely
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Speaker 1: ever used. There wouldn't have been any way for me
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Speaker 1: to get help it. It's mostly abandoned during the day
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Speaker 1: except for the cashier either. I didn't even know if
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Speaker 1: the cameras worked. And all I thought was, I'm not
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Speaker 1: leaving you in the kids in the car with my kids.
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Speaker 1: You're not going to get out and follow me into
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Speaker 1: the into the gas stations. So this is not going
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Speaker 1: to work. So instead of making that left, I made
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Speaker 1: a right, and he got mad, asked me if I
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Speaker 1: was crazy. He said, lady, are you crazy? You're trying
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Speaker 1: to get your kids hurt. Well, as he's saying that,
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Speaker 1: he's climbing over the seats and into the front seat
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Speaker 1: with me. And that was all that mattered to me
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Speaker 1: at the time. Why was that all that mattered to you?
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Speaker 1: Because he was away from my kids. Yeah, I can't
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Speaker 1: do anything. I can't I can't help my kids if
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Speaker 1: he's right there by my kids. I can help my
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Speaker 1: kids better if he's away from me. So that lands
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Speaker 1: him right beside you in the front seat with a knife.
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Speaker 1: Clime Stories with Nancy Grace demanded her VAM. Police say
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Speaker 1: was Isabel Martinez. He threatened Baker and her kids with
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Speaker 1: a knife. He was looking for two hundred bucks. I
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Speaker 1: told him I didn't have any cash, and he said
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Speaker 1: I'd better figure out a way to get some or
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Speaker 1: he was gonna hurt my kids. Baker knew she had
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Speaker 1: to act fast. Martinez, she said, climbed into the front
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Speaker 1: seat and was standing in the middle, attacking her while
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Speaker 1: she drove. So you managed to get him away from
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Speaker 1: the children when you take that right turn, when he
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Speaker 1: ordered you to take a left to a pretty much
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Speaker 1: I want to say, rural, but deserted to an atm
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Speaker 1: where hardly anyone goes at a gas station. You didn't
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Speaker 1: want to do that. I can't believe you had the
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Speaker 1: wherewithal to turn right, and he jumps in the front
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Speaker 1: seat with you and a knife and attacks you. Dorothy Baker,
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Speaker 1: What happened while I'm I mean before that, while I'm driving,
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to dial nine one one without him seeing
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Speaker 1: me with my phone. And when he ends up jumping
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Speaker 1: into the climbing over the seats and into the front seat,
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Speaker 1: he saw me with my phone and he tried to
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Speaker 1: get it, and I moved my hand, but I hit
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Speaker 1: my hand on the door and my phone dropped in
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Speaker 1: between the door and the seat, and he's trying to
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Speaker 1: get it. I'm trying to drive, and when he realized
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Speaker 1: he couldn't get it, that's when he tries to slit
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Speaker 1: my throat. And I'm fighting him, trying to drive, and
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Speaker 1: my kids are screaming in the back seat. I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to keep the knife away from any part of my body.
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Speaker 1: And I see a telephone pole on the right hand
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Speaker 1: side of the road, and my first thought is he's
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Speaker 1: not wearing a seatbelt. If I hit that pole, if
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Speaker 1: I go fast enough, he'll go through the windshield. If
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Speaker 1: if I don't go fast enough, he'll at least hit
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Speaker 1: his head hard enough to where he maybe dazed. And
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Speaker 1: I can fight him off and finished talking to or
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Speaker 1: calling ninety one do something. So I swerve up into
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Speaker 1: the grass man Dorothy tom Crais could use you on
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Speaker 1: mission impossible. So you have the wherewithal. I can't believe this.
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Speaker 1: You have the where with all. This guy is trying
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Speaker 1: to slit your throat. As a matter of fact, he
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Speaker 1: slashes you all the way across your chest, over your heart.
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Speaker 1: You have the wherewithal to think there's a telephone pole
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Speaker 1: we all have on our seat belts. He doesn't. How
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Speaker 1: did you keep the knife away from your neck. I'm
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Speaker 1: driving with one hand and I'm constantly switching hands depending
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Speaker 1: on where the knife was. I was constantly switching hands,
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Speaker 1: keeping my hand one hand on the steering wheel and
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Speaker 1: the other hand fighting. Really it was my right hand
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Speaker 1: because I'm I'm right handed, so I was mainly using
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Speaker 1: my right hand to fight him off. And I managed
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Speaker 1: to push him, and so he went for your throat.
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Speaker 1: He went for your throat with a knife. He went
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Speaker 1: for my throat first and then tried my side and
21:48
Speaker 1: then my legs. He was trying to do some damage.
21:51
Speaker 1: He was not just messing around. So so how he
21:57
Speaker 1: slashed you all the way across your chest. At the
22:00
Speaker 1: time when you were slashed with the knife across your chest,
22:03
Speaker 1: over your heart, did you even feel the pain or
22:06
Speaker 1: were you in shot? What happened? I didn't feel anything,
22:10
Speaker 1: but I thought bigger and better, better than you have
22:14
Speaker 1: tried to end me. And it's not going down like this.
22:19
Speaker 1: So when so you make for the telephone, thank you?
22:24
Speaker 1: And I missed it. I was mad, but I slammed
22:28
Speaker 1: on the brakes and it kind of gave him, gave
22:33
Speaker 1: enough momentum where I could push him into the passenger
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Speaker 1: seat and I put it in park and I'm and
22:39
Speaker 1: I'm now I'm earnestly trying to get his knife away
22:42
Speaker 1: from him. It wasn't just the knife. It wasn't just
22:46
Speaker 1: the knife attack. Listen. She struggled to get the knife
22:49
Speaker 1: away and says Martinez bitter. She has the marks on
22:52
Speaker 1: her hand to prove it. When I managed to push
22:54
Speaker 1: him off, landed with his back against my passenger seat,
22:57
Speaker 1: and that's so when I took my fist and I
22:59
Speaker 1: punched him in the face and I told him to
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Speaker 1: get out of my car. Martinez did, and while he
23:03
Speaker 1: ran away, Baker hit him with her car. That wasn't
23:06
Speaker 1: my intention. I was trying to stop him so he
23:09
Speaker 1: didn't hurt anybody else, and he messed the throng woman.
23:13
Speaker 1: And you don't come after a woman with kids. I
23:16
Speaker 1: just can't even take in Ashley Walcott, everything she's saying.
23:20
Speaker 1: You get in your car from CVS in the middle
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Speaker 1: of it, it's ten in the morning, and drive off.
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Speaker 1: And only when your son unlocks the seatbelt and tries
23:31
Speaker 1: to get in the back to get the donuts and says, hey,
23:33
Speaker 1: who are you do you find out a PERV is
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Speaker 1: in the back with a knife, grabs your son, holds
23:41
Speaker 1: it to his throat and demands money. It's like a
23:48
Speaker 1: horrible movie. Ashley. Yeah, you can't even imagine the shock
23:51
Speaker 1: that you would experience. But I would say this a
23:52
Speaker 1: couple of things water Ball. First of all, I'm a
23:55
Speaker 1: Texas girl, and I'm so proud of this lady because
23:57
Speaker 1: this is amazing. Second of all, which of us is
24:00
Speaker 1: parents wouldn't do whatever we have to to protect our children.
24:03
Speaker 1: I think that's the significant piece here. She had two
24:05
Speaker 1: children in the car. You're gonna do whatever it takes
24:08
Speaker 1: as a mama bear to protect your children, and she
24:11
Speaker 1: was brave enough to do it to Brian Russell, doctor
24:14
Speaker 1: Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist, host of id's Fatal Vows. I
24:18
Speaker 1: mean you brought up some people will call this vigilante justice.
24:22
Speaker 1: I say its self defense, no jury in their first
24:25
Speaker 1: of all, any prosecutor that put this lady up to
24:27
Speaker 1: the grand jury to get her indicted for running the
24:29
Speaker 1: guy down, he would be voted. He she would be
24:32
Speaker 1: voted out of office next term, and a jury would
24:36
Speaker 1: laugh the prosecutor out of court. No way. She needs
24:39
Speaker 1: a medal, not a felony charge of running the guy down.
24:43
Speaker 1: I'm glad she ran him down, Brian and too. And
24:46
Speaker 1: this is something that you know, you and I have
24:48
Speaker 1: talked about before. I can't understand how anybody listening to
24:53
Speaker 1: this could see it differently than that. But unfortunately that
24:57
Speaker 1: you know, I'm continually amazed in this country that there
25:01
Speaker 1: are people who will see this and go, well, we
25:03
Speaker 1: can't have that. We're gonna have to make a statement
25:07
Speaker 1: here that we're not going after people on our own
25:10
Speaker 1: taking the launch our own hands. Come on, give me
25:13
Speaker 1: a break. This woman's a hero. I'll give her a
25:15
Speaker 1: medal and be done with it. What I'd to say
25:17
Speaker 1: about that is b s. And that's a very technical
25:19
Speaker 1: legal term. Joseph Scott Morgan. Uh, she this case will
25:24
Speaker 1: be laughed out of court if somebody try to put
25:25
Speaker 1: a charge on Yeah, and uh, particularly amongst our friends
25:29
Speaker 1: in Texas. Uh, I can I can see, I can
25:33
Speaker 1: see them laughing the sky or gal out of the
25:36
Speaker 1: out of the courthouse if they try to bring this
25:38
Speaker 1: before grand jury for an indictment. Um. Again, I am
25:42
Speaker 1: amazed at what she was doing. Look, vigilanteism to me
25:47
Speaker 1: is like you make a plan, you go out and
25:49
Speaker 1: you you know, you go out and take revenge. This
25:51
Speaker 1: woman is acting, She is acting her her you know her,
25:55
Speaker 1: her her heart is pumping, she's thinking about fighting flight,
25:59
Speaker 1: and she's gonna do whatever she has to do to
26:02
Speaker 1: protect her babies. And that's what this is all about. Guys.
26:05
Speaker 1: Ismail Martinez gets a knife and gets into Dorothy Baker's
26:10
Speaker 1: backseat and waits, waits like a wolf, like a fox,
26:15
Speaker 1: like a coyote, for her and her little boys to
26:17
Speaker 1: get back in. Well, she turned the tables on him, Dorothy.
26:22
Speaker 1: After this guy bit, you attacked, you hit, you try
26:27
Speaker 1: to slice your throat, your legs sliced across your heart
26:31
Speaker 1: and your chest, you punch him in the nose and
26:35
Speaker 1: somehow forced him out of the car. Then what happened, Well,
26:40
Speaker 1: he when he bit in my hand, he was he
26:42
Speaker 1: was trying to get me to let go of his
26:43
Speaker 1: knife because I had his knife by then. Um, and
26:46
Speaker 1: I've got the scars on my hand to to prove. Wait,
26:48
Speaker 1: you manage to disarm Ismail Martinez. You got the knife
26:53
Speaker 1: away from knife away from him, and and that's why
26:56
Speaker 1: you bit my hand. He did you punch him in
26:58
Speaker 1: the face? I did? Did you punch in the fact?
27:01
Speaker 1: I where did it land? I hope in the nose
27:03
Speaker 1: because that really hurts. I had the knife in my
27:06
Speaker 1: right hand and he bit my hand, and when he
27:08
Speaker 1: realized that I wasn't going to let go, he just
27:11
Speaker 1: kind of looked at me, and I switched the knife
27:14
Speaker 1: from my right hand to my left hand and I
27:17
Speaker 1: just pulled off and punched him square in the jaw.
27:20
Speaker 1: And he looked at me shocked. Yeah, this whole thing
27:24
Speaker 1: had totally gone sideways for him. Listen, today, a family
27:28
Speaker 1: is safe because of one mother's brave act. You don't
27:31
Speaker 1: come after people with kids. And I told him that
27:34
Speaker 1: he messed with the wrong which Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
27:55
Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker and her two young children were shomping at
27:58
Speaker 1: a CBS and they Texas when police say fifty four
28:02
Speaker 1: year old Ismael Martinez hid in Baker's unlock van. He
28:06
Speaker 1: popped up out of the back seat and said that
28:11
Speaker 1: if I didn't want my kids to get hurt, that
28:14
Speaker 1: I would do exactly what he said. I didn't mean
28:16
Speaker 1: to run him over. I was just trying to stop
28:19
Speaker 1: him so he didn't hurt anybody else. That's her story
28:22
Speaker 1: and she is sticking to it. You're hearing kat r
28:27
Speaker 1: KTVs Poujia Lodia speaking with our superstar Dorothy Baker, who
28:31
Speaker 1: was with us right now. A carjacker sneaks into Mommy's
28:36
Speaker 1: car as she's in the Echards as I call it,
28:38
Speaker 1: the CVS where there are two little boys, two of six.
28:41
Speaker 1: When they get back in the car, he's hiding in
28:44
Speaker 1: the back seat with a knife. But not only did
28:48
Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker manage to punch him in the face, she
28:52
Speaker 1: wrestled the knife away from Ismael Martinez, kicks him out
28:56
Speaker 1: of the minivan and then whoopsie runs over him. So
29:03
Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker, when all of this is happening and with
29:06
Speaker 1: me right now from Baytown, Texas, Dorothy Baker, what are
29:09
Speaker 1: your boys doing during all of this? Um? At some point,
29:15
Speaker 1: my my youngest at the time, he was he had
29:19
Speaker 1: stopped crying. UM. And my five year old he actually hid.
29:24
Speaker 1: He really didn't, he didn't do much anything. He was
29:28
Speaker 1: in shock. I mean when when the guy grabbed him,
29:32
Speaker 1: I could see like all the life go out of
29:35
Speaker 1: my son's face. Uh. So that was that was not
29:38
Speaker 1: a good uh, not a good feeling. So um. But
29:43
Speaker 1: my kids they were they were safe and they didn't
29:46
Speaker 1: get hurt. There was no no cuts on them, no,
29:49
Speaker 1: no nothing. Well, let me ask you, this one goes
29:51
Speaker 1: into basically shock mode. Which one was in shocking? Which
29:55
Speaker 1: one was screaming his head off? My two year old
29:57
Speaker 1: he was the one in the car seat screaming. And
30:00
Speaker 1: my older boy, that five year old, he was the
30:03
Speaker 1: one that went into shock. To Dorothy Baker joining me, Now,
30:07
Speaker 1: do you remember the moment you hit the gas and
30:10
Speaker 1: mowed him down? Yeah, I do. I was watching him
30:13
Speaker 1: run away, And what went through my head was he
30:17
Speaker 1: was he was at Kroger's. He was close enough to
30:21
Speaker 1: walk there. He didn't have a vehicle. He had a
30:23
Speaker 1: knife this time. What happens if I see him next
30:25
Speaker 1: time and he has a gun and I have all
30:27
Speaker 1: my kids, or what happens if there's a mother who
30:32
Speaker 1: doesn't it isn't going to be able to help her kids,
30:36
Speaker 1: and she panics and she's got a baby, and he
30:39
Speaker 1: goes after her. And I thought to myself, I'll be
30:43
Speaker 1: barned if I'm gonna let that happen and watch him
30:48
Speaker 1: walk away. And my intention was as he was running away,
30:52
Speaker 1: was I went after him, and I had my door
30:56
Speaker 1: to where I was going to open it and hit
30:58
Speaker 1: him with it, and and we were. When I was
31:01
Speaker 1: driving behind him, he made a swerve and I had
31:07
Speaker 1: sped up just right then at I guess, the perfect time,
31:11
Speaker 1: and I heard him hit my tires. And the only
31:16
Speaker 1: thing I thought after that was, oh my god, I'm
31:18
Speaker 1: going to jail because I just killed this man. What's
31:22
Speaker 1: going to happen to my kid? Dorothy, at that time,
31:25
Speaker 1: you had no idea that this guy had already done
31:30
Speaker 1: hard jail time on a rape conviction. No, I didn't
31:33
Speaker 1: know he was stalking you at the grocery store. Didn't
31:38
Speaker 1: matter that you had two little children. He got in
31:41
Speaker 1: your car with a knife, knowing you would get back in.
31:44
Speaker 1: He knew which car you got out of. He watched
31:47
Speaker 1: you leave Kroger and grow across the street. He followed you,
31:51
Speaker 1: He got into your car and was waiting on you.
31:56
Speaker 1: I think the whole ATM thing was a ruse. He
32:00
Speaker 1: was after you or your children. To Nicole Parton joining
32:06
Speaker 1: me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Martinez had already
32:10
Speaker 1: done hard jail time for rape. What happened to him
32:14
Speaker 1: after he gets run down by Dorothy? That's true. This
32:17
Speaker 1: guy obviously no saint, a sexual offender. He had been
32:21
Speaker 1: jailed on this rape conviction, but thanks to Dorothy, not anymore.
32:26
Speaker 1: He of course was injured. He was air flighted to
32:29
Speaker 1: the hospital where he was going to be charged once
32:32
Speaker 1: he was released from the hospital, pending the outcome. So
32:37
Speaker 1: this guy was life flighted. Yes, he was in serious
32:39
Speaker 1: condition for some reason. I'm not crying. Dorothy Baker with us, Dorothy,
32:49
Speaker 1: when you got your children home and they were safe,
32:55
Speaker 1: what did they want to know? What were their questions? Well,
32:58
Speaker 1: the two that were with me, they didn't really have
33:00
Speaker 1: any The other ones they were they were making sure
33:04
Speaker 1: that we were okay. You know, they they saw the
33:07
Speaker 1: cuts and they asked me if I needed to go
33:09
Speaker 1: to the hospital. You know, if I was okay, if
33:13
Speaker 1: we just kind of um hugged and and we're happy
33:19
Speaker 1: that everybody was was safe. In the month, the weeks
33:23
Speaker 1: and months that followed the incident, How did that affect
33:28
Speaker 1: your boys? Um? They were very reserved and Um, even
33:32
Speaker 1: to this day, my two year old, UM, UM, he's
33:37
Speaker 1: very weary about people. He doesn't he doesn't like anybody. UM.
33:41
Speaker 1: So if he, if he does, it's it's almost a miracle. Um,
33:48
Speaker 1: he's he's very quiet at school. Um. Even my ten
33:52
Speaker 1: year old, he's he's very quiet. And there we just
33:57
Speaker 1: basically stayed for ourselves, honestly. Um. They go to school,
34:01
Speaker 1: I go to work, they come home, and that's that's
34:04
Speaker 1: pretty much the extent of our our lives. Do you
34:08
Speaker 1: feel that it changed your life? Um? Yeah, it did.
34:12
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not something that you want to ever
34:17
Speaker 1: go through. Lucky for me, I'm a I'm a chronic
34:21
Speaker 1: over overthinker and over analyzer. So I put myself in
34:28
Speaker 1: certain scenarios and try to figure out what I would
34:30
Speaker 1: do if this would happen, And mainly The conclusion that
34:35
Speaker 1: I always come to is if I panic, I'm not
34:38
Speaker 1: going to survive any of the situations. And that's one
34:43
Speaker 1: thing that you know, I want other people to understand,
34:47
Speaker 1: is that no matter what happens, if you panic, it's
34:51
Speaker 1: going to make a situation worse. You have to stay
34:54
Speaker 1: calm and clearheaded so you can think logically about what's
34:59
Speaker 1: going to happen, what you can do to get out
35:02
Speaker 1: of the situation. UM. That's that's the most important thing.
35:06
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's not something that you you ever
35:11
Speaker 1: think could happen to you. UM. Has it changed the
35:15
Speaker 1: way that you behave or how you travel, or how
35:20
Speaker 1: you go around with your children? It is, UM, it
35:24
Speaker 1: always did. I didn't drive my van and I actually
35:28
Speaker 1: got rid of it. UM. I still to this day,
35:31
Speaker 1: UM will not let my kids in the car until
35:33
Speaker 1: I've looked in the car. UM. I I'm always very
35:38
Speaker 1: um observant of my surroundings and the people around me. UM.
35:44
Speaker 1: I watch if they're following me, or if they're going
35:46
Speaker 1: in the same direction. UM. If I feel like someone's
35:50
Speaker 1: following me, I'll make detours to see things like that.
35:55
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's made me very very untrusting of people.
35:59
Speaker 1: Just so you know, I have done a little research
36:01
Speaker 1: on Ismael Martinez. The same Ismael Martinez was sentenced to
36:10
Speaker 1: thirty years on aggravated robbery. He also had possession of
36:18
Speaker 1: an illegal substance, arson, burglary in the building, and rape.
36:26
Speaker 1: On the rape charge, he had gotten forty years, but
36:29
Speaker 1: he was out and about when you look back on this,
36:35
Speaker 1: Dorothy Baker, what do you think I think if I
36:38
Speaker 1: would have made that left turn, I think he would
36:42
Speaker 1: have put to murder. To be honest with you, I don't.
36:46
Speaker 1: I don't think he had any intention of allowing me
36:50
Speaker 1: or or my kids to go free. Dorothy Baker saved
36:55
Speaker 1: not only her life, but the lives of her two
36:57
Speaker 1: little boys, and hopefully her story we'll save other lives.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray's crime story, signing off Goodbye friend,