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Missing Lori Paige, 12, Body Found, Arrest Made · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know some cases you
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  Speaker 1: never get over, and that's how I feel about a
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  Speaker 1: little girl who went missing.
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  Speaker 2: In the last days, we have recovered Laurie's remains and
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  Speaker 2: we have arrested the person responsible.
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  Speaker 1: Little Lorii Page has been found dead, her father charged
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  Speaker 1: in her murder. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: June third, twenty twenty three. Lori Page is reporting missing
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  Speaker 2: by her father, Andrew Wilie, and at that time he
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  Speaker 2: claimed she left home with her backpack sometime in the
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  Speaker 2: night while he was at work.
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  Speaker 1: We worked so hard to find answers in the Lorii
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  Speaker 1: Page disappearance. This sweet, sweet little girl goes missing out
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  Speaker 1: of the Tallahassee area. No one was covering the case.
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  Speaker 1: We contacted TALLAHASSEEPD over and over and over again. We
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  Speaker 1: got no help. We couldn't find witnesses, no one seemed
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  Speaker 1: willing or interested in covering her disappearance. But we tried anyway.
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  Speaker 1: We covered the disappearance of Lorii Page and tried desperately
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  Speaker 1: to get answers, hoping that somehow we would find her.
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  Speaker 1: Many of us holding out hope that she had run
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  Speaker 1: away and was in another state. And now we have
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  Speaker 1: the answer, not the answer we wanted, but an answer.
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  Speaker 1: Lorii Page's body has been found. How did it all start?
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  Speaker 1: This little girl goes missing June three, Let's see Jane, July,
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  Speaker 1: augu September, October, November, December, January, February. Where is this
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  Speaker 1: beautiful twelve year old girl? Laurie Page out of Tallahassee, Florida.
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  Speaker 1: Got a lot of questions about this investigation, but most important,
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  Speaker 1: where is she? This is how the whole thing starts.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to lit Laura Varbel.
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  Speaker 3: She was reported missing to us on June third by
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  Speaker 3: her father with very missed information. So dad works overnight.
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  Speaker 4: He is a.
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  Speaker 3: He works in our correctional correctional facilities, so he leaves.
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  Speaker 3: He left the night late the night before, returned the
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  Speaker 3: next day after his shift, and she was gone. And
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  Speaker 3: this was not abnormal, like she that was their regular pattern.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let me clarify what Lieutenant Varbal is saying. After
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  Speaker 1: I started investigating this case, I learned when she says
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  Speaker 1: that's not abnormal, she doesn't mean that the girl is
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  Speaker 1: gone is not abnormal. What was not abnormal is the
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  Speaker 1: dad works a night shift. Mom's out of the picture.
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  Speaker 1: Dad has the twelve year old girl. He works a
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  Speaker 1: night shift and then he comes home and she's there
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  Speaker 1: with me an all star panel. But first I want
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  Speaker 1: to go to a special guest who has emerged as
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  Speaker 1: an unlikely hero in this scenario. Margie Summers, peara professional
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  Speaker 1: at Griffin Middle School, very close with the little girl,
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  Speaker 1: Laurie Page, who was missing just twelve years old. Margie
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  Speaker 1: Summers knows Laurie very well and she is the one
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  Speaker 1: who actually went out and organized a search for Laurie
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  Speaker 1: on Facebook. Margaret Adams Sommers, Miss Summers, thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. First of all, I want to address
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  Speaker 1: us the home situation, because you know, like we all know,
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  Speaker 1: that when a child goes missing or a child is killed,
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  Speaker 1: it's very likely someone in the family. And the first
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  Speaker 1: place you look are the male family members. You look
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  Speaker 1: at the dad, the stepdad, the boyfriend, the living the
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  Speaker 1: older brother, the ex boyfriend, anyone connected to that family.
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  Speaker 1: What can you tell us about their living situation. I
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  Speaker 1: know that about a.
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  Speaker 5: Year prior to her disappearance that her mother brought her
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  Speaker 5: to the father and basically left her with her father.
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  Speaker 5: At that point, her father was somewhat new to parenting,
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  Speaker 5: but the two of them were making a go of it.
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  Speaker 1: It's my understanding that she was doing really well with
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  Speaker 1: her father, never missing school upbeat. Is that true?
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  Speaker 5: That is very accurate. And when I later learned that
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  Speaker 5: there were issues, I was actually surprised she.
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  Speaker 6: Was so.
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  Speaker 4: Together at school.
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  Speaker 5: I just want to guess that she was struggling with
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  Speaker 5: is she's at home?
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  Speaker 1: Let me go straight out, speaking of irreparable harm caused
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  Speaker 1: by moms and dads in your youth, Doctor Bethany Marshall
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  Speaker 1: is joining us or now psycho analyst joining us out
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  Speaker 1: of LA at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, we
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  Speaker 1: need some help.
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  Speaker 6: When the one person who is entrusted with taking care
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  Speaker 6: of you, making sure you're safe in this world, making
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  Speaker 6: sure your hair is comb there's breakfast on the table,
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  Speaker 6: the person who's supposed to have a secure attachment with
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  Speaker 6: the father, when that person cannot hold on to their
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  Speaker 6: relationship with the child, she's perhaps antagonistic with the father.
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  Speaker 6: That really destroys a child's world. And I'm going to
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  Speaker 6: tell you something about this little girl. Her primary attachments
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  Speaker 6: were with her father and with her schoolmates. I just
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  Speaker 6: now the little bit I've heard on this show tells
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  Speaker 6: me that this is not a runaway to somebody who
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  Speaker 6: had attachments in their immediate circle. Runaways are children who
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  Speaker 6: have such a huge amount of trouble in their home
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  Speaker 6: that their primary attachments are with strangers. And that's not
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  Speaker 6: the case here.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly where I was headed at Doctor Bethany. Once again,
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  Speaker 1: you've read my mind. Margie Summers is with us, who
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  Speaker 1: again has turned into a very unlikely hero. She is
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  Speaker 1: the one that has organized the search for little Lori page.
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  Speaker 1: She is the one being heard on media speaking out
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  Speaker 1: about a girl gone, a little girl gone. Now you know, Margie,
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  Speaker 1: I called hunting for information about this girl, and no
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  Speaker 1: matter how many times I called, it seems as if
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  Speaker 1: police didn't want to speak publicly. Isn't that unusual? But
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  Speaker 1: I did notice after I started investigating the case myself,
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  Speaker 1: suddenly things started changing and moving.
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  Speaker 5: What happened, Margie, I think your phone calls may have
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  Speaker 5: made a difference, and they may have realized that, hey,
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  Speaker 5: this is a big deal. Eight months is too long, Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: And I think somebody just needed to draw some attention
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  Speaker 5: to that so that the startling fact that she'd been
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  Speaker 5: gone eight months would shine through again.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what have they done since I started poking around?
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  Speaker 5: From what I understand, They've added a whole lot of
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  Speaker 5: resources to the case, additional detectives. They're doing a lot
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  Speaker 5: more legwork. They're starting over from the beginning, so it's
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  Speaker 5: almost like the whole investigation has kicked off in high gear.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I wish this had happened eight months ago. But
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  Speaker 1: to the TELEHASSEPD, we would love for you to join
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  Speaker 1: us and help us find Lorie Page. The whole reason
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  Speaker 1: I was working up to the fact that she had
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  Speaker 1: stability with her father is to dispel the idea that
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  Speaker 1: she has gone run away and is voluntarily staying away
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  Speaker 1: from home in school, isn't it true, Margie sommers that
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  Speaker 1: she was doing well at school and seemingly happy with friends.
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  Speaker 5: I would say she was doing well at school. I
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  Speaker 5: never saw her with any particular friends, but she was
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  Speaker 5: so driven and so focused on school. It was almost
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  Speaker 5: like she didn't see school as a social environment. She
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  Speaker 5: thought as a very serious learning endeavor. She would literally
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  Speaker 5: run from one class to the next, even though it
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  Speaker 5: was across the hallway, just to make sure she wasn't party.
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  Speaker 2: Summer of twenty twenty three to early twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 2: detectives pursued hundreds of leeds across state lines. Laurie is
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  Speaker 2: never located, and the story provided by Wiley begins to
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  Speaker 2: show inconsistencies.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace in the Last Days Heartbreak,
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  Speaker 1: The search for Lori Page is over. The Tallahassee Police
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  Speaker 1: Chief Lawrence Ravel announced that the PD has recovered the
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  Speaker 1: remains of Lorii Page after a prescribed burn revealed her
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  Speaker 1: remains in a remote brush covered area of Thomas County, Georgia. Quote.
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  Speaker 1: I told you two years ago we would find Lori
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  Speaker 1: and we would bring her home. Yes, it was about
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  Speaker 1: two years ago that we begged the police department to
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  Speaker 1: help us find Lori, and I believe she was found
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  Speaker 1: by a prescribed burn of oberbrush found basically accidentally arrested
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  Speaker 1: Laurie's father, thirty six year old Andrew Wiley, who originally
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  Speaker 1: reported her missing. After investigators pursued hundreds of leads in
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  Speaker 1: multiple states. They say in an exhaustive investigation, he has
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  Speaker 1: been charged with second degree murder. What happened when Laurie disappeared.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to Lieutenant Laura Varble.
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  Speaker 3: She was home by herself. He had He had worked
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  Speaker 3: nights since she had come to live with him, and
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  Speaker 3: she would always be home while he worked his overnight shift.
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  Speaker 3: It was a quadruplex, so it's like a there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of little place and there, I mean, there is
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  Speaker 3: a there was a neighbor reference obviously for her, an
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  Speaker 3: adult person that if she needed something, she had somebody
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  Speaker 3: to reach out to.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, to Chris mc dunn and joining US, director the
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  Speaker 1: Cold Case found Foundation, former homicide detective. I found him
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  Speaker 1: on his YouTube channel, The Interview Room. Chris McDonald, thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much for being with us. Does it irritate
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  Speaker 1: you as much as it irritates me that this child
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  Speaker 1: had been labeled a runaway? You know how many cases
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  Speaker 1: I've covered where the child was first designated a runaway
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  Speaker 1: and they end up dead one, Nancy.
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  Speaker 7: I mean in this situation, obviously, you know, twelve year
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  Speaker 7: olds they just don't disappear. They can you know, sometimes
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  Speaker 7: circumstances they do run away. However, in this particular case,
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  Speaker 7: if we look at it, you know, from a thirty
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  Speaker 7: thousand foot view, you've got to take into consideration. When
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  Speaker 7: we talked many times on your show about this the
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  Speaker 7: victim risk continual and when you look at that this
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  Speaker 7: child falls within a medium risk in relationship to the
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  Speaker 7: totality of her life circumstance.
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  Speaker 1: With that, I don't even know what you're saying. She's
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  Speaker 1: a medium risk in totality with her life circumstances. What
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  Speaker 1: in the hey are you saying? Can you listen? I
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  Speaker 1: feel like I'm hearing someone read a police report. Please
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  Speaker 1: dummy down for me. What are you saying?
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  Speaker 7: So, what you do is you have like an L
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  Speaker 7: like an L shaped risk continuum, and on one side
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  Speaker 7: you write environment, situation, circumstance. On the bottom you'll put low, medium,
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  Speaker 7: and high risk. The lower to the left the child's
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  Speaker 7: daily activities to hire the opportunity is for a suspect
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  Speaker 7: and or somebody in her environment.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I do still do you know what he's saying? Okay, again,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know what you're saying. Let me try to
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  Speaker 1: interpret and regular people talk. Okay, Chris McDonough, Are you
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  Speaker 1: saying that she was at a low risk for being
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  Speaker 1: a runaway?
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  Speaker 7: No?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, See, I did not have any idea what you're
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  Speaker 1: saying medium category for what.
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  Speaker 7: For potentially somebody luring her out of the home through
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  Speaker 7: an internet situation, through anything.
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  Speaker 1: So at medium risk for kidnap or luring? Is that
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  Speaker 1: what you're saying?
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  Speaker 7: Luring?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, medium risk because of what? Because just so you know,
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  Speaker 1: we have learned that she did not have a social
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  Speaker 1: media profile, she was not online.
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  Speaker 7: Well, that's not uncommon for somebody to within the family
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  Speaker 7: to say, well, wait a minute, you know, she could
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  Speaker 7: have had a phone, she could have had access to
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  Speaker 7: her friends. There could have been a variety of circumstances.
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  Speaker 7: That's why I'm saying, you take a look at her environment,
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  Speaker 7: the totality of her environment. Who are our friends, what
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  Speaker 7: access points to the internet does her father or friends have?
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  Speaker 7: And those are kind of things that kids.
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  Speaker 8: You know, you know more than anybody when I've raised
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  Speaker 8: four of them, they sometimes use their friends stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the only thing that raises a risk in my
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  Speaker 1: mind is the fact that her dad had to work
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  Speaker 1: over not in mom's not in the Patriot she had
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  Speaker 1: recently moved to the area. I guess, Margie Summers, it
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  Speaker 1: was over a year ago.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, it was approximately a year earlier. I think it
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  Speaker 5: may even have been August, so the beginning of sixth grade.
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha listen to this, guys.
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  Speaker 3: She was recently recently moved to the area to live
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  Speaker 3: with dad. She had been with dad for about a year.
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  Speaker 3: She has had a lot of things happen in the
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  Speaker 3: course of her life, so there could be several reasons
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  Speaker 3: with regards to her background. We just really can't speculate
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  Speaker 3: as to which that could be.
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  Speaker 1: To doctor Bethany Marshall, I want to follow up on
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  Speaker 1: what we're hearing the lieutenants say about having had a
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  Speaker 1: tough time of it starting these school is hard enough
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  Speaker 1: on its own. Then your dad is gone. You get
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  Speaker 1: home in the afternoon and your dad leaves to go
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  Speaker 1: to work. So she's there by herself, probably musing about
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  Speaker 1: whatever happened during the day, maybe being homesick. So that's difficult, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: That's profoundly difficult. You know how much time you spend
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  Speaker 1: with your kids processing the events of the day, and
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  Speaker 1: imagine there's no one there to process the events of
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  Speaker 1: the day with her. So if she is falling prey
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  Speaker 1: to some other person outside the house, there's no one
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  Speaker 1: for her to attach to in the house to steady her,
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  Speaker 1: to help make sense of her experiences.
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  Speaker 4: And the world is down even further.
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  Speaker 6: This is a little girl who ran from class to
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  Speaker 6: class even if the other class was across the hallway.
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  Speaker 6: This tells me she was a good little girl. Good
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  Speaker 6: girls are victims, right, little girls who can't say no.
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  Speaker 6: So she's going to be huh angree four attachments. Anybody
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  Speaker 6: who gives her love, Anybody who says they can fulfill
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  Speaker 6: her needs. Anybody who says I'll keep you safe, I
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  Speaker 6: know you, I know you better than your own parents.
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  Speaker 6: She's going to gravitate to those people because she is
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  Speaker 6: like a thirsty little plant. Every little drop of water
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  Speaker 6: is going to make her spring to life, even if
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  Speaker 6: it's from a predator.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me now is high profile family lawyer joining us
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  Speaker 1: out of North Carolina now at Triangledivorcelawyers dot com. Kathleen Murphy.
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  Speaker 1: Before you tell me what you think, I want you
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  Speaker 1: to hear this, take a listen to Sidney Sumner crimeonline
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  Speaker 1: dot com.
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  Speaker 9: When police began looking into the disappearance of twelve year
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  Speaker 9: old Lori Page, detectives started by looking for her digital footprint.
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  Speaker 9: But Loriipage has no digital footprint. She's not on social media.
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  Speaker 9: Old school methods are being used to find the middle schooler,
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  Speaker 9: knocking on doors and talking to neighbors, putting up flyers
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  Speaker 9: with her name in personal details, sharing information with neighboring
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  Speaker 9: police agencies, and asking the public for help.
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  Speaker 1: Knowing that, according to police, there was no digital footprint.
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  Speaker 1: She's not on a snapchat, she's not on install They
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  Speaker 1: can't find her anywhere. But we do know there was
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  Speaker 1: a computer in the home. We know that because cop
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  Speaker 1: said that, but yet no digital footprint. What does this
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  Speaker 1: mean to you, Kathleen.
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  Speaker 4: It means to me that the police have not gotten
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  Speaker 4: that computer and looked at it carefully. It also means
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  Speaker 4: to me that the police have not fully investigated this case.
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  Speaker 4: Twelve year olds are going to find a way to
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  Speaker 4: connect with somebody that makes them feel good. They're going
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  Speaker 4: to have that reach out. And if she's alone for
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  Speaker 4: a significant amount of the evening and nighttime and she
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  Speaker 4: has a computer, WHI has access to the computer? I
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  Speaker 4: wonder if the police have reviewed that computer.
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  Speaker 1: Good question, Margie Summer or would did the school have computers?
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  Speaker 1: Could she access a computer at school?
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  Speaker 5: Matter of fact, Nancy, all of the kids at our
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  Speaker 5: school are issued computers. And they maintain those computers with
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  Speaker 5: them and take them home at night, charge them and
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  Speaker 5: bring them back to school each and every day. Every
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  Speaker 5: student at Griffam Middle School has a chromebook.
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  Speaker 1: So she did have a computer. Has that computer been found, Largie?
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  Speaker 5: I do not know the answer to that.
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  Speaker 1: Wouldn't they return it to the school?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, she would have checked it in at the end
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  Speaker 5: of the year, and I'm quite certain that she did
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  Speaker 5: because justice the kind of student she was. I also
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  Speaker 5: wanted to mention, based on what your other guest said
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  Speaker 5: regarding her self esteem, I know that Laurie received result
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  Speaker 5: of a negative test score. She was absolutely distraught and
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  Speaker 5: feeling terrible about her test score. She is the only
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  Speaker 5: student that I've ever had to say, Laurie, it's not
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  Speaker 5: that serious. It just means we're going to have to
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  Speaker 5: help you in this one area. Other students, to get
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  Speaker 5: them even interested in their test score is a bit
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  Speaker 5: of a chour, but not Lorie. She took that low
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  Speaker 5: score very much to her and I was actually concerned
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  Speaker 5: about how sad she was regarding that test.
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  Speaker 1: That just breaks my heart. It breaks my heart with
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  Speaker 1: me right now, Megan crying. Director Communications at Child Help
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  Speaker 1: one thing, helping children. Megan, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: When I think of this little girl twelve, so upset
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  Speaker 1: about a bad grade and now she's missing, and she
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  Speaker 1: was immediately described as a runaway, a child that's that
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  Speaker 1: upset about one bad test, I just don't see her
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  Speaker 1: running away.
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  Speaker 10: I don't see it either, Handy, and thank you for
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  Speaker 10: having me when I hear we see children like this
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  Speaker 10: a lot, and that tells me that she's felt said
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  Speaker 10: about a brave it's a perfectionist. It's one way to
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  Speaker 10: get her mother's approval. Keep peace in the family, as
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  Speaker 10: there's been a lot of discoord And like you said,
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  Speaker 10: she's a baby, she's twelve. She cannot sustain eight months
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  Speaker 10: by herself.
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  Speaker 1: In the last days, a heartbreaking in to a search,
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  Speaker 1: to an investigation that we launched into the disappearance of
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  Speaker 1: a beautiful young girl, Lori Page out of the Tallahassee area.
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  Speaker 2: February second, twenty twenty four. A phone is sees from
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  Speaker 2: Miley's residence. A forensic analysis and covers questionable Internet searches,
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  Speaker 2: including queries about remote areas with bodies of water in
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  Speaker 2: Alabama and Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: What happened when Laurie went missing, Doctor Bethany Marshall. When
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  Speaker 1: the mom tells us that how scared the child is,
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  Speaker 1: she's afraid of the dark, she doesn't like the outside.
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  Speaker 1: She loves to eat, she loves the meals. What none
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  Speaker 1: of this makes sense with the phrase this little girl
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: just took off, I'm just not buying it.
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: No, none of it makes it.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Remember, Doctor Bethany, when she disappeared, it was nighttime. What
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: do you think this little child, the old girl is
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: going to go out and take an aber That did
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: not happen.
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: No, and her knows her daughter, right, I mean, who
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: guess would know her than her own parents. However, one
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: thing concerns me, and that is that the mother is
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: talking like a police detective, not like somebody who's concerned
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: about her daughter.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: Now, I'm not.
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: Saying she's not concerned, because she might be shocked, dissociated,
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: unable to express her love. On the other hand, a mother.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Who's this methodical, in detached, I'm going to defend the mother. Really,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: all I care about is finding the girl. I don't
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: care who did what when I want to find Laurie.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: In defense of what the mother is saying, she's extremely
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: defensive and angry that the police and others have just
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: written Laurie off as a runaway. Take a listen to
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: what missus Brosey, the mom, has to say about her
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: daughter being labeled a runaway.
• 22:30
  Speaker 11: The police report said that she ran away and there's
• 22:34
  Speaker 11: no reason why they believe that she was taken. And
• 22:37
  Speaker 11: that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Because you
• 22:41
  Speaker 11: can voluntarily leave under manipulation of circumstances. So whether she
• 22:49
  Speaker 11: voluntarily left or not, she's a child. What rights do
• 22:54
  Speaker 11: children have to move around if they please? Can she
• 22:58
  Speaker 11: get in the car voluntarily drive? Now your block, because
• 23:04
  Speaker 11: just as sure as she gets in a car and
• 23:05
  Speaker 11: starts to drive it, that's going to be a problem.
• 23:08
  Speaker 11: But when she voluntarily leaves and is missing like this
• 23:13
  Speaker 11: doesn't make sense things that don't make me sense. It
• 23:15
  Speaker 11: made me upset. I get irritated. Where is lori page?
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: See what I mean, doctor Bethany. She's responding to her
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: daughter being called a runaway and it doesn't make any.
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: Sense, you know, Nanthy, I completely retract my comments from before.
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: She's sounding like a police detective. Because there are no
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: detectives helping her. She's having to think this entire thing
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: through herself. And she makes the most excellent point. Even
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: if a child walks out of the house to a stranger,
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: that's not voluntary. It's never voluntary when a minor leaves
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: the house and never returns. So this poor mother is
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: falling back on her own psychological and mental resources to
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: find her own child. Can you imagine as John David
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: or Lucy went missing and you had to be the detective.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: You know another thing, Doctor Bethany, I think that she's doing.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I'm certainly no shrink. I want everybody else on the
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: panel to jump in on this. She's methodically as best
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: she can, going through Well, she left a twelve year old, Well,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: who's going to feed her? What is she going to eat?
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: She's afraid of the dark. She wouldn't have done that.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: What does she get in the car? She's not going
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: to drive. I mean she's going through all these permutations
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: and possibilities and ruling them out. And I have found
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, that when you're faced with this horrible happening,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: you try to make sense, You try to apply logic
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: to an illogical situation, and it doesn't work, and it
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: gets harder and harder and more difficult. And that's what
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I hear the mom doing.
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: You know, I agree with you, And you know part
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: of being a mother is something called maternal preoccupation. And
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: what that means is, no matter where your child is,
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: no matter who's taking care of your baby, you're thinking
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: about them all the time. Now, imagine your child is missed.
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: That's going to be thinking about your child in a
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: desperate kind of way. I like your use of the
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: word permutations. She's trying to think of every single possibility.
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: But not only that, these are rebuttals.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, you're right. What about it? Megan crying? You're hearing
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall. Do you agree or disagree?
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: Well, yes, the mom got a control, She has no control, right?
• 25:22
  Speaker 10: Can you imagine I have two children not knowing where
• 25:25
  Speaker 10: they are and for eight months. I mean we're coming
• 25:27
  Speaker 10: up on a year.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: What the mom is saying right now makes a lot
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: of sense to me, guys. Also the specter of a
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: mother's and father's worst nightmare. Take a listen to what
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: the mom is, Brasi says.
• 25:42
  Speaker 11: Tala hassee has some of the worst sex trafficking in
• 25:45
  Speaker 11: the state. And it's twenty minutes of Georgian So yes, yes,
• 25:53
  Speaker 11: I'm concerned, very concerned.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Joining me, Nicole Parton Crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter. Isn't
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: it true that we have learned the night before she
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: goes missing, she and her dad we're at home as normal,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: watching TV. No problem, correct.
• 26:10
  Speaker 12: That is correct?
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, Sam. Now he then goes to work, and there
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: are witnesses that saw them there together chilling and watching TV.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Everything was fine, yes, no, yes, correct. Then he goes
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: to work as usual at a nearby prison facility, and
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: he works at a CI correctional institute. He goes to work,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: everything's fine, locks the door, she's there. He comes home
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: the next morning and she's gone.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: March twenty twenty four is more consistencies than Wiley's statements
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: are identified, and new information about his relationship with Laurie emerges.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Detectives shift their focus more heavily towards Wiley.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Crime stories. With Nancy Grace, the remains of a beautiful
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: little girl, Lori Page have been found. What let up
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: to her disappearance? Nicole Parton, There was one unusual circumstance
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: that happened the night before, early in the evening. Didn't
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the mom show up at the house and that upset Laurie.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: She did.
• 27:25
  Speaker 12: The mom showed up at the home and there was
• 27:29
  Speaker 12: an altercation to the point that her father, being protective,
• 27:33
  Speaker 12: called the police and said, can you police come out
• 27:36
  Speaker 12: and remove the mother from the home. The police were
• 27:39
  Speaker 12: not at their home all of the time. This was
• 27:41
  Speaker 12: one incident where the mom showed up. The father did
• 27:44
  Speaker 12: the right thing, called authorities and said, there's an altercation,
• 27:48
  Speaker 12: my daughter is upset, and the police came out and
• 27:51
  Speaker 12: asked the mother to remove herself from the home.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy joining me, high profile family lawyer. I'm sure
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: this is not the first time you've seen trub against
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: warring exes and the child is the casualty.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: And these children at age twelve start to find their voice.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: They haven't quite found their voice, but they don't like that.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: They're going to want.
• 28:15
  Speaker 13: To be to a judge, be to their teachers, and
• 28:19
  Speaker 13: speak out about what they should not be subjected to.
• 28:23
  Speaker 13: And this little girl probably saw something that traumatized her.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Margie Summer's with US paraprofessional Griffin Middle school, who knows
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Laurie very well? What do you make of it?
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: I believe that it was an upsetting incident because the
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: cops never showed up at their house. For the cops
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: to even have to be called would have been traumatic
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: in and of itself. And I'm sure after that happened,
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: I'm sure her mind was whirling and she was trying
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: to figure out what to do and how to take it.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: She turned to a stranger. Maybe she turned to a
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: stranger to process the experience, or somebody was already predating
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: on her, and at this point she had nobody to
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: process it with, which made her incredibly vulnerable to anybody
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: who showed love and wanted to talk to her.
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: I feel like Laurie may have been overwhelmed. Even the
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: bad grade she got on the standardized test overwhelmed her,
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: and the burden of it was far too great for
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: what's normal. And I'm sure the burden of what she
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: just saw and maybe even felt responsible for would have
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: weighed heavily on her. And I know sometime here they're overwhelmed,
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: they flee that feeling of being overwhelmed.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Doctor Bessy, what do you make of that?
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: I think what's happening with twelve year olds is that
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: they're slowly reassigning their attachments outside of the home, and
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: this serves the biological function of preparing them to leave
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: home when they're seventeen, eighteen or nineteen, so already they're
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: looking outside the house. But this little girl, her primary
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: interest was with her parents. And you can imagine your
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: parents fighting, and the idea kids blame themselves whenever the
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: parents fight, whenever a parent's neglectful or abusive. I'm not
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: saying these parents were.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I hear you, and I would love the opportunity to
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: psychoanalyze Lori Page, the twelve year old missing girl, but
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: we have to find her first, and right now she's
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: labeled as a runaway. She may have been upset that
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: her mom and dad were having this war, and there
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: was a verbal confrontation. The cops came over and blah
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: blah blah. Okay, but where is she? I mean, is
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: it just me, Jackie? Help me? We have to find
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: the girl. I don't need to figure out what she's
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: thinking right now. I need to find her and get
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: her to safety. If she was upset that night and
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: went out and sat on her front porch, if she
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: went outside in the front yard, where they is she now?
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Now you've heard Margie Summers state that the computer was
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: handed in, So whatever computer she had was not the
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: school computer. But witnesses saw her on a computer watching
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: TV with her dad before she disappeared, before the mom
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: came and raised a ruckus. So where is she now?
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I think on your Chris mcdonna, can we psycho Analysi's
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: child later after she's safe.
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: You're right, Nancy, And this is why, this is why
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: the fourteen detectives right now are realizing holy.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: One of fourteen detectives would come on and make a
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: plea for her.
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: You're right, it's all wrong, critical.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Turning since his child disappeared, right.
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: The critical turning point.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, why did you, Margie Summers, have to have
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: to form the search the search committee? Why did you
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: have to go out looking for her? Tell me about that?
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: Because other little girls, there's press conferences, there's rallies, there's newscare,
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: there's all kinds of attention, and my student, someone I
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: cared about, was getting none. That's not fair, not right.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: A dam and thing, no pressers, no big searches, no
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: guys and women on horseback, No k nines.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: Nothing, nothing, nothing. And luckily the media in my area
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: did take interest in the story, and shortly after we
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: asked them to help us, two news channels and the
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: local newspaper all ran stories when fourteen days after she
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: went missing.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, that was eight months ago.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: Yes, it was eight months ago, and nothing's happened since
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: until the last week or so, and it's picked up
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: steam again.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: G I wonder why, Okay, so were there any sidings
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: of her that night? I do not know where was
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: she last.
• 32:55
  Speaker 12: Seeing lasting at her home?
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: And the home, yeah, correctighbors saw her come outside, That's correct.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: This was in June June three. School had just ended.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: No neighbors saw her outside, right right? Do we have
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: any idea Nicole parton Megan crying? Chris mcdonne, doctor Bethley,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, Margie Sommers. Was a search done of the
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: home to see if any altercation had occurred, where any
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: windows broken? Was the lot? Jimmy, do we know anything?
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Was the home even processed?
• 33:33
  Speaker 12: And my knowledge the home was not processed.
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: Yes, but I can tell you what they were thinking. Man,
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: she what okay? When they got there? And this is
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: where I was going. The critical turning point here is
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: when they look at the father and they say, tell
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: me about your daughter, and he tells them. The critical
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: turning point here is, Okay, twelve year olds don't vanish
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: at that moment eight months ago. They should have immediately
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: turned on.
• 33:59
  Speaker 14: All of the resource because at that point, everybody knows
• 34:03
  Speaker 14: you have a twelve year old who has vanished. Now
• 34:07
  Speaker 14: they could have been thinking, well, maybe she ran away.
• 34:10
  Speaker 14: It doesn't matter.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Why do we keep saying maybe she ran away. I
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: don't give a flying sig how this whole thing started. Okay,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: go ahead, But.
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: It's critical now when we look eight months later back
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: and we now see resources that should have been put
• 34:28
  Speaker 8: on within three hours of this child's disappearance.
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: It should have all been in motion back then, and
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: it wasn't. And that's a huge problem. That is a
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: huge problem.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Well not only that, think about this, Chris, let me
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: throw this wrench into the works. If she's home alone,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: no one is there to see what she's doing on
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: the internet. Margie Summers, what do you think about the client?
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: She had no social media presence, she didn't text, she
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: didn't email, nothing.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: I never saw personally involved with social media. But I
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: will say she was smart, and all of the kids
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: at our middle school are tech savvy. There issue the
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: computer for the duration of the year, So to think
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: that she wouldn't know how to use a computer or
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: how to get on the internet would be categorically false.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: All the children and I use the internet every day
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: and we.
• 35:24
  Speaker 10: Are childho We're seeing an uptick in human trafficking.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: It's ramblant. And that's where my head went first.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: As well, is this Megan crying? Yes with Megan, Okay,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: tell me about that? And why was it stated by
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: the mother that Tallahassee is notorious for sex trafficking. It
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: is close to the Georgia Florida line, very close and
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: close to I seventy five, which takes you all the
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: way from Florida to New York City and beyond.
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: And we have we're on I Can. We are exactly
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: dead center. Run to the middle of our town. I
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: Can runs all the way from Jacksonville to California.
• 36:05
  Speaker 10: And she sounds like Lauria sounds I'm sorry, anthey, no,
• 36:08
  Speaker 10: go ahead.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Place. What I was going to say is I'm wondering
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I had a girl disappear from a stadium arena at
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: a football game, and you know they found her. Her
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: face popped up on an internet I want to say
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: dating website, but it was an escort site. This child
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: had been taken and was being pimped out of a hotel.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so sad.
• 36:37
  Speaker 10: And that's why I think education is so important. And
• 36:41
  Speaker 10: we have the Child Help Speak Up the Faced curriculum
• 36:44
  Speaker 10: which schools Apascination can implement it and it teaches kids
• 36:48
  Speaker 10: that I'm old enough to remember the good touch bad touch,
• 36:51
  Speaker 10: and this is an offshoot of that. And we just
• 36:54
  Speaker 10: implemented a human trafficking prevention curriculum, so kids like Laurie
• 37:00
  Speaker 10: forget this did happened.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Based on a Megan crying from Childhelp dot org. You say,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Chris McDonough, we have no indication the child has did
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: yet the police still think she didn't have a social
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: media presence. I don't know if she had a phone
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: or not. I don't think she did. So what in
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the hey do we do now? I mean, if it
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: hadn't been for Marchie Summers, there would not have even
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: been a search. By the way, Marchie, where did you search?
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: What did you do during your search?
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: Me and some of the other teachers and staff members
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: from the school got together and we handed out flyers
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: in the immediate area. And then also on other days,
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: I just went to some of the local convenience stores
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: taped them up there in case she popped in it
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: out for a drink or a snack, somebody would see her.
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: I also have the police, is there a place that
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: we can look, Is there anywhere that we need to
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: focus to put flyers? And they just had no search
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: parameters at all. So I had a couple of apartment complexes,
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: spoke to the managers, gave them flowers in case they
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: saw her in their pool area, on one of the chairs,
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: something like that. But it was really really hard to
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: know where to look because it's just not any clues
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: in any particular direction.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, you know about what Margie Summers said,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Chris mcdonad, This little girl. The teachers got together and
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: did a search for her. It wasn't the police, as
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I said, It wasn't ATVs and helicopters and seeking so gnar.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: The teachers got together. Why is this happening to this
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: little girl? Why hasn't anybody championed her? Is it because
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: she's black. Is that it that nobody cares about a
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: twelve year old little girl? I mean, look at her, Chris, Auntie.
• 38:57
  Speaker 7: Nobody ever ever wants to see a child injured, hurt, harmed, etc.
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: And in this particular case, what you're doing is the
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: tip of the spirit. Raising public awareness, continuing is what
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: is necessary and what the cops need to do, and
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: they're long overdue. It's a shame that we're even having
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: this conversation today.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Early twenty twenty four, based on digital evidence, detectives begin
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: searching a remote brush covered area of Thomas County, Georgia,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: known locally as a plantation. Multiple searches are conducted but
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: yield no results. April fifth, twenty twenty five, following a
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: prescribed burn, they cleared heavy brush in the area. Detectives
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: return to the plantation for another search. This time they
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: located human remains.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Now we wait for justice to oncold I friend Jim