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Mr.Cruel · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: The late nineteen eighties and the early nineteen nineties in Melbourne,
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  Speaker 1: Australia were marked by a series of heinous crimes, ones
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  Speaker 1: that sent shockwaves through the community and left a horrible
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  Speaker 1: mark on the nation psyche. These crimes were perpetrated by
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  Speaker 1: an individual known only as mister Kruel, a meticulous and
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  Speaker 1: calculating predator whose primary target was young girls he watched,
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  Speaker 1: bited his time, and abducted these girls from the homes
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  Speaker 1: they lived in. This is the case of mister Kruel.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked Ingram,
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  Speaker 2: a true crime podcast.
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  Speaker 1: The following podcast material intended for a mature audience. Massive
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  Speaker 1: news in the true crime world. Earlier this week, Robert
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  Speaker 1: picked In passed away. He was assaulted while in jail,
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  Speaker 1: and he died of those injuries.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The world, in my opinion, is way better off right
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  Speaker 1: now without that man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I'm honestly a bit surprised that it
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  Speaker 2: didn't happen much sooner.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a very evil man.
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  Speaker 2: Spoke a lot of lives, that man some evil things.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, I'm surprised no one else went at
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  Speaker 1: him while behind bars. Yeah, but as one of our
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  Speaker 1: patrons actually mentioned that. Now with his death solidifies the
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  Speaker 1: fact that we may never know the names behind all
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  Speaker 1: of his victims.
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  Speaker 2: Which is too bad.
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  Speaker 1: But then, I mean, he wasn't going to give it up.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows for sure if he would have even given.
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  Speaker 1: That up, So he wouldn't have he reveled in that.
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  Speaker 1: There's no way he was giving up those names. Never
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  Speaker 1: es we covered that case. Actually believe you did that one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I had a two parter with that one.
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  Speaker 2: Well you kind of need it, yeah, for Foozy for.
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  Speaker 1: Picked In, no kidding, So if you want to check
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  Speaker 1: that out, that's in our library, go and scroll back,
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  Speaker 1: find it, give it a listen. But yeah, he's no
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  Speaker 1: longer here, so good riddance.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no shit.
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  Speaker 1: On a nicer note, we did a true crime thing
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  Speaker 1: at home, a little date night. We had a free
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  Speaker 1: date night. That was fun, fun, and we solved it.
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  Speaker 1: Took us about four hours together.
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  Speaker 2: I know. Is that good or bad?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. He went through a bottle of wine,
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  Speaker 1: solved it in four hours. It was our first ever one, so.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was quite a depth. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: quite realize how much there was going to be to it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a fair amount.
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  Speaker 2: Like there was just so many articles, so much little
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  Speaker 2: readings to do. We even had to log into like
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  Speaker 2: a fake email on email email online and read some emails.
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  Speaker 1: And to be honest, I think our first hour was
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  Speaker 1: just like understanding what we got ourselves into, you know, like,
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  Speaker 1: holy shit, Yeah, there's there's this fake email we have
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  Speaker 1: to log into online and all this paperwork and these photos.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Once we finally started like making a list of who
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  Speaker 1: the suspects were and stuff and really getting into it,
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  Speaker 1: I think we did a lot better.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we'll we'll do it again.
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  Speaker 1: We definitely will.
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  Speaker 2: Good date Night, I like.
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  Speaker 1: It definitely will. No no sponsorship or affiliation, But if
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  Speaker 1: you guys just go on Amazon sear it's like a
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  Speaker 1: little like murder Mystery thing. You can find these like
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  Speaker 1: packages just for like doing solo or as couples or
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  Speaker 1: parties whatever. And yeah, yeah it.
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  Speaker 2: Was a thirty five bucks or something. Yeah, like Canadian
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  Speaker 2: not too bad for.
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  Speaker 1: An evening of entertainment. It was off. Yeah, wonder to
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  Speaker 1: know what else is not too bad for a good price.
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  Speaker 1: Our Patreon and so many people have been signing up.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much to these individuals who are signing up,
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  Speaker 1: at the same time. So special thanks to Terry Meyer,
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  Speaker 1: So thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: That's really awesome. I love that.
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  Speaker 1: I love the fact that Alyssa put in fur babies.
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  Speaker 2: I know I kind of love that too. I'm surprised
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  Speaker 2: no one has done that yet. Yeah, no kidding, we
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  Speaker 2: would show it out with the fur babies, Come on.
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  Speaker 1: No kidding. Anyways, this is a doozy of a case.
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  Speaker 1: This is mister cruel.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, from the intro, I'm not sure I'm looking forward
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  Speaker 2: to this one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not not too great. But we are headed
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  Speaker 1: back to Australia for this. We've we've been spending some
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  Speaker 1: I'm in Australia proverbially in these cases recently, so I
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  Speaker 1: think after this one I'm going to try and spread
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  Speaker 1: my wings to some other places around the world for
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  Speaker 1: a little bit but when I discovered this case, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, we got to cover it.
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  Speaker 2: So was the very last one Australia as well?
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember what her last episode was. Thanks for
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  Speaker 1: putting me on the spot. What was our last episode?
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember? No? I do you spend days researching
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  Speaker 1: this and I'm like reading another book on another case?
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  Speaker 2: Shit?
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  Speaker 1: Oh Lindsay n Hawker? I don't think that was Australia,
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  Speaker 1: was it? I know the poor Arthur massacre was?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So it's just it's just we've done a few
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  Speaker 2: in the last like couple.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, I don't was Lindsay and Hawker Australian?
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember whatever this case okay?
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  Speaker 2: Just really quickly, A lot of people ask like how
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  Speaker 2: we cope, and I think it's just that we do
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  Speaker 2: an episode in and it just leaves our brains pretty much.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, Lindsay was in Japan, that's.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right, yes, yes, yes, okay, but.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, moving on to the next case is generally how
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  Speaker 1: we cope. It's kind of like, yeah, onto the next
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  Speaker 1: horrible fucking thing that happened like this one.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, you ready, I am. I'm just going to
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  Speaker 2: say someone actually asked me the other day if like,
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  Speaker 2: we'll ever run out of things. It's like, nope, you
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  Speaker 2: know what, I don't think we will, which is actually terrible.
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  Speaker 1: There. Yeah, there's no way we're ever going to run
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  Speaker 1: out of true crime. I bet you we could do
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  Speaker 1: a life's worth of true crime episodes on a year
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  Speaker 1: of occurrences of crime in the British Columbia Province alone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet you. That's terrible.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, Okay, that's where we live BC. Just throwing
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  Speaker 1: that over.
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  Speaker 2: Enough of this, sorry, let's we'll move on.
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  Speaker 1: Here, we digress onto the case. So, as I said,
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  Speaker 1: we're going over to Australia, and we're particularly going to Melbourne,
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  Speaker 1: which is the capital of the Australian state of Victoria.
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  Speaker 1: Now it is known for its vibrant culture, diverse population,
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  Speaker 1: and historical landmarks. By the nineteen eighties, it was a
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  Speaker 1: bustling metropolis, home to millions of residents and known for
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  Speaker 1: its high quality of life. However, the city's piece would
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  Speaker 1: soon be shattered by the emergence of a predator who
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  Speaker 1: preyed on the most vulnerable members of society children. On
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  Speaker 1: July seventh, nineteen eighty eight, an article titled Mother Battles
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  Speaker 1: Blanket Blaze appeared in the Sun newspaper featuring Julie Wills
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  Speaker 1: and her daughters in their bedroom after a fire caused
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  Speaker 1: by the faulty electrical blanket. So they're they're pictured, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in the bedroom and they're pos kind of like sitting
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  Speaker 1: on the bunk bed and they're you know, like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, we almost burnt our house down. Thankfully
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  Speaker 1: we didn't post it in the newspaper, right So six
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  Speaker 1: months later, after that article was posted, on Boxing Day,
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  Speaker 1: December twenty sixth, nineteen eighty eight, the Wills family returned
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  Speaker 1: to their home at eleven Hillcrest Avenue, Ringwood. At around
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  Speaker 1: ten pm. John and Julie Wills put their four daughters
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  Speaker 1: to bed, with their ten year old Sharon on the
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  Speaker 1: top bunk, that same bunk that was featured in the
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  Speaker 1: newspaper photo months earlier. John finally turned off the lights
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  Speaker 1: in the home at quite late or early, at four
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  Speaker 1: fifty am in the morning, which was only about an
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  Speaker 1: hour before sunrise at the time. What he or the
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  Speaker 1: family were unaware of was what was outside in the dark.
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  Speaker 1: Someone was watching and if they had been observing the
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  Speaker 1: house since the family returned, and they had been waiting
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  Speaker 1: for the moment to strike for the lights to go out.
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  Speaker 1: They would have been waiting and watching for a total
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  Speaker 1: of seven hours. The man waited an extra thirty minutes afterwards,
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  Speaker 1: just after those lights were turned out, just to make
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  Speaker 1: sure before he finally made his move. Now, the house
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  Speaker 1: key was left in the back door lock, but on
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  Speaker 1: the inside of the door, so when he approached the
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  Speaker 1: back door, it is locked. There's no key available, okay,
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  Speaker 1: but he did know what the key was left on
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  Speaker 1: the inside, so he used a tool to push through
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  Speaker 1: the lock and pop the key out. It fell to
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  Speaker 1: the floor inside the home. However, he knew this was
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  Speaker 1: going to happen too, and he had slid a newspaper
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  Speaker 1: underneath the crack of the door, and the key fell
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  Speaker 1: on top of the newspaper, and from then he pulled
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  Speaker 1: the newspaper, giving him access to the key. He put
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  Speaker 1: the key in the lock, turned it and unlocked the
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  Speaker 1: back door, giving him access to the home. And immediately
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  Speaker 1: upon entering the home, the man burst into John and
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  Speaker 1: Julie Wills's bedroom, turning the light on. He was dressed
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  Speaker 1: in dark blue overalls, gloves, and a black bellick clava
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  Speaker 1: with white and possibly red stitching around the eyes and
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  Speaker 1: mouth holes. He was armed with a knife and a
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  Speaker 1: dark colored handgun. He was also carrying a bag flashlight.
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  Speaker 1: Julie Wills's reflex is instantly kicked in and she screamed
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  Speaker 1: for her children to get out of the house, but
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  Speaker 1: the man quickly silenced her by holding a gun to
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  Speaker 1: her husband's head and said, you're not going to be
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  Speaker 1: a hero, are you?
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of lot to unpack you already, hey.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of yeah, And like so he got this came
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  Speaker 2: in contact with this family because of the newspaper thing. Basically,
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  Speaker 2: is that what you're.
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  Speaker 1: Saying, that's speculation?
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  Speaker 2: Oh I hate that.
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  Speaker 1: That's so what I do touch on that here in
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, so I'll cover it then. But yes,
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  Speaker 1: that is the speculation.
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  Speaker 2: Gosh, that's just something that you wouldn't really think of.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you're warning people both these electric blankets, which
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  Speaker 2: I do use. So that's a little alarming.
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  Speaker 1: Well this was the eighties too, right, eight I believe so.
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  Speaker 2: But then that's like putting your family in more danger.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wow, Okay, Well, the man who's now holding
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  Speaker 1: them hostage, forced both the two of them onto their
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  Speaker 1: stomachs and bound their hands and feet with copper electrical wire,
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  Speaker 1: and began demanding money. He took thirty five dollars from
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  Speaker 1: John's wallet and then cut the phone cord with pliers
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  Speaker 1: that he had found in the house. One of their daughters, Sharon,
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  Speaker 1: woke up to the mother's screaming and heard the man's voice.
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  Speaker 1: She lay frozen as the intruder entered her room. The
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  Speaker 1: intruder then called her by name and shown a torch
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  Speaker 1: right in her face. Initially, she pretended to sleep, hoping
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  Speaker 1: that he would leave, but of course, you know, he didn't,
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  Speaker 1: and he commanded her to get up and out of bed.
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  Speaker 1: He selected several items of her clothing for her to
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  Speaker 1: take with her from her wardrobe, and then led her
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  Speaker 1: out of the house in the hallway. Though he took
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  Speaker 1: John's checkered lumberjacket from the hatstand, and he also gave
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  Speaker 1: Sharon to work are sorry, and he gave that jacket
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  Speaker 1: for her to wear over her nightgown. After about eight
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  Speaker 1: minutes in the house, he carried Sharon outside and to
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  Speaker 1: muffle her screams, he shoved a red ball into her mouth.
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  Speaker 1: The man began assuring her that he wouldn't hurt her
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  Speaker 1: and would return her by morning. He then blindfolded her
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  Speaker 1: and placed her in the passenger seat floor of the
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  Speaker 1: car and drove off. After driving for some time, the
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  Speaker 1: car came to a stop and the man carried Sharon
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  Speaker 1: into the house. He made Sharon brush her teeth and bath,
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  Speaker 1: after which he sexually assaulted and raped and abused the
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  Speaker 1: ten year old Sharon.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's just fucking devastating.
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  Speaker 1: There's a reason that call this man mister Krule.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's that's putting it nicely.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, despite being blindfolded, Sharon sends that the man
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  Speaker 1: had a hairy chest and possibly even facial hair, maybe
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  Speaker 1: the beginning of a beer sort of thing. After the assault,
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  Speaker 1: he gave her milk and a stale veggimite sandwich, which,
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  Speaker 1: for the record, I have yet to ever try vegemite.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe one day, but I don't even know what the
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  Speaker 2: hell that is.
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  Speaker 1: It's an Australian thing. Oh, it's kind of like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. It seems like a like a jam of
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  Speaker 1: some sort, like a jelly maybe, I don't know. It's
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  Speaker 1: like a spread for bread and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't heard of that.
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  Speaker 1: It's really dark and I have no idea what it's
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  Speaker 1: made of. But vegemite. Yeah, okay. Anyways, he gave her
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  Speaker 1: a stale vegemite sandwich and he leashed her to the
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  Speaker 1: bed by her neck, and then he left. Sharon managed
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  Speaker 1: to lift her blindfold and observe the room that she
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  Speaker 1: was now being held in. She noticed a wooden tripod
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  Speaker 1: and a camera set up for filming.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you're fucking me.
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  Speaker 1: Everything she just endured was most likely being captured on camera.
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  Speaker 2: Hmm, gosh, you don't even know what to say to
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  Speaker 2: shit like that.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's low, That is fucked up. That is so disgusting. Yeah. Now.
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  Speaker 1: The man would return late, and he forced Sharon to
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  Speaker 1: bathe once again and then assaulted her in another room. Afterwards,
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  Speaker 1: he dressed her in a shirt and he had taken
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  Speaker 1: her from the home, wrapped her in garbage bags, and
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  Speaker 1: carried her to the car. At around eleven fifteen pm,
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  Speaker 1: the man stopped the car and began carrying Sharon for
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  Speaker 1: some distance before he put her down at Baywaters High School.
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  Speaker 1: He removed her blindfold and garbage bags and instructed her
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  Speaker 1: on how to reach a nearby food plus store. He
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  Speaker 1: warned her not to look at him as he left.
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  Speaker 1: Just after midnight, a woman found Sharon at the corner
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  Speaker 1: of Orchard and Armstrong Roads. Sharon calmly told her, quote,
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  Speaker 1: my name's Sharon Wills, and I was taken from home
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  Speaker 1: early this morning. A man left me here and told
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  Speaker 1: me to go ring home. The woman took Sharon to
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  Speaker 1: her home and called the police. So, yeah, we of
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  Speaker 1: course happy to have Sharon back at home. But the question,
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  Speaker 1: of course everyone's wondering, you know, who is this dude, right,
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  Speaker 1: who's this man and his thought? Whoever had done this
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  Speaker 1: potentially seen that newspaper article six months prior and had
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  Speaker 1: decided to target Sharon in that moment, which meant he
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  Speaker 1: had been stalking and watching the family for six months. Right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: now you do recall when he entered her room he
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  Speaker 1: called her by name, Yes he did. He knew exactly
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  Speaker 1: who she was, he knew what she looked like, he
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  Speaker 1: knew her name. Shone the light at her and said, Sharon, good.
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  Speaker 2: God, just having just the thought of someone like knowing
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  Speaker 2: or thinking that they had been watching you for that long.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, my our dogs stared us for too long, and
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  Speaker 1: I get uncomfortable. I'm like, what do you want?
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  Speaker 2: What do you need? Stop man? I mean because and
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  Speaker 2: you think, oh, you think you'd notice or something, right, potentially, No,
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  Speaker 2: like there, because you wouldn't be looking for that expecting that.
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  Speaker 1: So well, there was some alleged reports of a prowler
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  Speaker 1: in the area before the abduction.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, oh so some people maybe did notice him.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, some did. And there was actually a witness who
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  Speaker 1: claimed that a man that someone saw a man filming
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  Speaker 1: the Willis's house with a JBC video camera six weeks
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  Speaker 1: before the abduction.
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  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, so.
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  Speaker 1: There is claims of this alleged person. Now. The man
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  Speaker 1: was described as thirty to thirty five years old, balding,
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  Speaker 1: with brown hair and a pot belly.
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  Speaker 2: Younger than I thought, or yeah, younger than I thought
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  Speaker 2: he'd be.
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  Speaker 1: He apparently would like when he was caught filming whatever.
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  Speaker 1: He quickly left when he was disturbed, packing his camera
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  Speaker 1: into a gold Ford trunk before driving away. The Willis
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  Speaker 1: family estimated his height to be between one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: seventy three and one hundred and eighty centimeters, which is
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  Speaker 1: like five ft nine or something like that. I think
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  Speaker 1: somewhere around there are just under six feet. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: exactly sure we're sentiment's converting the feet, but yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: had a thin to medium build and his age was,
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  Speaker 1: as I already mentioned, described as thirty to thirty five
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  Speaker 1: from the witnesses. However, the willis but believed him to
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  Speaker 1: be mid twenties to thirties. Okay, some reports suggest that
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  Speaker 1: he might be even younger based on his voice. So
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  Speaker 1: we are looking at someone quite young, up to thirty,
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  Speaker 1: and even younger than twenty potentially.
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  Speaker 2: Oh gosh.
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  Speaker 1: Now, to the Wills, his voice sounded well spoken, with
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  Speaker 1: no discernible accent. Now, to authorities, this could be the
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  Speaker 1: work of only one man, someone they were actually already
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  Speaker 1: familiar with, someone by the moniker mister Kruel. Now. The
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  Speaker 1: Sun newspaper gave him this moniker mister krule after police
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  Speaker 1: described a serial home invasion rapist in November of nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty seven as quote super cool and super cruel and
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  Speaker 1: by cool like calm, cool and collective. Oh okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: not like, hey, that's a radical awesome dude.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a freaking opposite of cool.
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  Speaker 1: No, like he's he keeps as cool. Sort of thing
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: that makes sense now at the time, police believed that
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: the same perpetrator was responsible for three rapes, and the
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: first is in nineteen eighty five of a woman and
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: again in nineteen eighty seven. So we do have as
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I mentioned that the Sun had described him as a
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: serial invasion rapist. So yeah, serial home invasion rapist.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Was it children?
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Not all of them? No? No, it was nineteen eighty
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: five and nineteen eighty seven they were both women. Oh okay,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: but there was another in nineteen eighty seven that just
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: might be mister Corule's first instance of targeting a younger girl.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, this guy, which brings us to our next
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: incident here, of course it does. Yeah, so now this
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: one actually predates because this is the first incident of
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: a younger girl. So this is in the early hours
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: of Saturday, August twenty second, nineteen eighty seven, a family
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: of four in Lower Plenty, Melbourne were targeted at around
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: four a m. Mister Krule broke into their home by
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: quietly shattering a room window of the home the front
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: of the house. The intruder was dressed in an open faced,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: navy blue belliclava, yellow surgical gloves and a blue waterproof
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: zip up jacket beneath a brown tweed jacket. Armed and
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: well prepared, the assailant carried a small black handgun, a
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: kitchen knife, several sets of handcuffs, red and white nylon cord,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: a small gray bag resembling a child's library bag, and
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: three rolls of colored electrical tape, along with alestoplasty surgical tape.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Elastoplasty surgical tape. There we go. He headed immediately straight
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: to the parents bedroom, upon breaking in, forcing them into
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: their stomach and restraining them with their hands and ankles
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: behind their back with handcuffs. Sounding familiar, hey, very The
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: parents were of course terrified, but remember the man saying
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: this to them, be quiet and don't move or I'll
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: hurt someone.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Man. I just like that, just the feeling of that, hey,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: like you're in your children or in the other room.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: My god.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Well, and through all this, as I mentioned, he keeps
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: as cool. He is very calm collected throughout all of this.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I sort of feel like that is expect
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Like I would expect that.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I mean think about this way, like like someone's like
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: doing something like this. You would think adrenaline might be pumping,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: maybe breathing heavy or something like that. No, he's stone
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: fucking cold.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like this is just a normal day, like an
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: average day for him.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: So the intruder then woke up the seven year old
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: son and eleven year old daughter, hurting them into their
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: parents' bedroom. He tied the son to the bed and
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: bound the daughter's hands. All the victims were gagged with
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: electrical tape, and the children were blindfolded with surgical tape.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: With everyone in the family now immobilized, the intruder demanded cash,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: a first aid kit, clothes, a shower, food, and a shave. Quote.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: All I want is money, food and clothes. How much
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: money is in the house. He forced the parents into
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: a wardrobe, covering them with a blanket, and appeared to
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: make a phone call. Then led the eleven year old
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: girl to another room where he made her brush her
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: teeth and bathe. Then he sexually assaulted.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Her in her own home.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: He then took her to the kitchen, where he ate
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: some of the food in the kitchen, some cold lamb biscuits, milk,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: orange juice, before assaulting her once again.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: God okay.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: He left the girl in a lounge chair while he
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: checked on her parents and brother in the master bedroom. Returning,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: he tied at her ankles with nylon cord, made her
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: sit in a chair, and instructed, quote, I'm going out now,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: so count to one hundred slowly, then you can free
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: your parents. Before leaving, he picked up the broken glass
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: from the lounge room floor and ripped the telephone from
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the wall. When she heard the front door close, the
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: girl freed herself and her family. It was about six am.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: The intruder had been in the house for nearly two hours.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Man eleven and ten. Hey, that is so disturbing. That
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: is like beyond disturbing.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is. But that's who he's targeting. And
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: he went for like, you know, older women effort. I'm
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: not saying like older women, but like grown ass adults
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: at first. Yeah, and then he for whatever reason made
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: the switch in this instant, which is quite the switch,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: because I'm not sitting here saying he should have done
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: this or should have done that. But like he had
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: her mother there, so he right specifically chose who he
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: was targeting.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I never really thought of it like that. Yeah.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Now, he had also stolen various items on his way
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: out of the home as well, including some of the
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: father's clothes, a jacket, razor, cash, jewelry, and even some
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: vinyl records which were apparently quite collectors collector's items. But
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: besides the point, the man dubbed as mister Krule was
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: leaving residents in Australia absolutely horrified and authorities were scratching
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: their heads.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, this guy needs to get caught like a
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: sap here now.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: The biggest thing, though, was the man seemed to plan
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: his attacks in extreme advance. Remember the case of Sharing,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: like I said, it was six six months months. He's
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: most I think scouting out families for days, weeks, or
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: even as we just said, months at a time before
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: ever making his move. He executed his plan carefully, can insistently,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: ensuring that he was well prepared to handle multiple people
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: at once, ensuring he got what he wanted and through
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: it all stayed very calm.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Well then also doing it in the middle of the
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: night too, because then you're just so getting woken up
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: to that, right you're so alarmed.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well not only so alarmed, but like you're
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: so discombobulated, right, like what's going.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: On and almost think you're dreaming or something.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're in the pitch black lights turn on.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: You can't fucking see. You're so out of it. What
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: the fuck is going on? Yeah, you're you're stunned for
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: let's just say ten seconds. He's got advantage on you
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: for ten seconds. That's a lot.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: That is a long time.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: So now his next victim, this is after ten year
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: old sharing, will be a girl by the name of
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Nikola Linz or Linus. Sorry not Linz, My apologies, read
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: that wrong. On the evening of Tuesday, July thirtieth, nineteen ninety,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Brian Linus and his wife Rosemary were picked up by
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: friends to attend a function, leaving their daughter's thirteen year
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: old Nikola and fifteen year old Fiona at home that evening.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: As on previous nights when they're you know, at home
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: alone or whatever and the parents are out doing whatever
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: it is, the girls ordered pizza. I remember being a kid,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like parents are going to do with thing,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: so you get.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Like take off, right, that's like so exciting.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: So that's what they were doing. It's like, oh, parents
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: are out, we get pizza tonight, right, And the pizza
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: arrived at about ten oh five pm. The girls ate
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: their pizza and then they went to sleep at around
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: eleven pm. However, just twenty minutes later, a man wearing
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: gloves and a dark green belliciclava with creams stitching around
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: the eyes and mouth, forced open a window in the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: parents' bedroom and entered the home Quietly. He made his
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: way through the home, down the hall and entered the
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: room where both of the girls were sleeping. Mister Krule
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: woke up Nikola by tapping her head with a long
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: serrated carving knife and said, see this, this is a
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: really sharp knife. Then in his other hand he held
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: a gun with a silver barrel and a brown wooden handle,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: and he said, this is a real gun. It shoots
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: real bullets. Blow your heads off.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Gosh, this guy's a freaking piece of shit.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's getting under your skin, isn't it.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like this is so disturbing. I I am. Yeah.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I said it once already, and I'm sure I'm gonna
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: say it more times. They call him mister Krule for
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: a reason.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I think there needs to be a worse name.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough. Now, he led the sisters to
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: their parents' bedroom. He forced the girl's face down on
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the bed, hogtied Fiona with galvanized wire and took Nicola
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: to the kitchen, where he cut the phone line. Cruel
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: then led Nikola to her own bedroom, told her to
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: get dressed in her school blazer, and took several items
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: of clothing from her drawer, which he would then stuff
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: into a beach bag, a ken done beach bag. He
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: asked about her father's employment and told Fiona he was
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: kidnapping Nicola for a ransom of twenty five thousand dollars,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: stating he would call their father the following morning to claimant.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: So at eleven forty seven pm, mister Kruele left with Nikola,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: placing her in the front seat of the Linus family
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: car parked in the driveway. He took the keys from
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the kitchen. He told her to get down under the
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: dashboard and pulled her beanie over her eyes. Quote, crouch
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: down on the floor, Get down low, get your head
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: right down.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: This is the eleven year old, right, I believe.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: So I'll have to go back, scroll back and see how.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Much no she is their okay, this is the older.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: No Fiona fifteen Nikola was.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Oh oh right, it was thirteen to fifteen. Sorry, okay, okay.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: So he drove north out of the driveway and west
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: along Mont Albert Road before stopping and putting thick tape
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: over Nikola's eyes and a belli clava over her head. Quote.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: If you try to see it will be very dangerous
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: for you, he told her. He then drove for a
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: while further and abandoned the car. He walked with Nicola
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: to another vehicle that was waiting and parked at as
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: assumed a predetermined location, which shows the premeditation shows, the waiting,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: shows the planning. The drive from there lasted between ten
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: to fifteen minutes before mister Krule pulled into a driveway,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: led Nicola barefoot off the concrete driveway, up several steps,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: and threw a kitchen and into a bedroom where radio
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: was playing. He removed the tape from her eyes and
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: replaced it with cotton pads, and he told her a
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: quote keep your eye shut if you want to stay alive.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: He made her brush your teeth and take a bath. Quote,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: you've got to clean yourself thoroughly, Clean your teeth thoroughly.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Mister Krule leashed Nicola to the bed by her neck
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: before turning off the radio and falling asleep next to her.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Nikola lay awake all night, not being able to get
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: an ounce of sleep and being afraid to move a.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Muscle, scared like shitless.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: At ten am, mister Krule awoke. He turned on the
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: radio and took Nicola between the bedroom, bathroom, and kitchen.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Throughout the day, he dressed her in school dress clothes,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: making a lot of people speculate that he had a
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: school girl fantasy sort of fetish, because these were some
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: of the clothes that he had taken her home and
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: he was dressing her in. He also claimed that he
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: had followed her home from her school. The next morning,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: he made her bathe again and dressed her in her
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: tennis skirt, and he began calling her Missy and Nikki,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: which were names that her friends and family would often
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: call her, obviously suggesting that he'd been watching very closely.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: At two pm, he leashed Nicola to the bed again
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: and gave her bread and water, quote, I'm just going
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: to tie your feet up now, and he tied her
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: legs with wire and left, returning at five pm. Mister
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Krule then took Nikola to the bathroom, made her stand
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: on a sheet, and shower to avoid leaving any evidence
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: he replaced her eyepatch with tape, wrapped her in a sheet,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: and forced her into a car again, back onto the
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: passenger seat floor. Just before two am on Friday morning.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: He released her and instructed her to count for a
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: while before contacting authorities. Fifty hours after the ordeal began,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Nikola knocked on the door and called her father. She
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: was safe.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: WHOA And so he didn't he didn't sexually assault her.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: There are some conflicting reports on whether she was sexually
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: assaulted or not. Okay, Some sources say that he did
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: in fact sexually assault or abuse her during the time
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: that she was held, similar to his other victims. Others
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: suggest that he didn't actually assault her and instead this
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: time it was more psychological sort of stuff he was doing,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: like the nicknames and the dressing up and those things.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Well, just the way you were talking, like this is
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: just like such a fucked up game to him.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Oh it is, and it's he's fucking so twisted. There's
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: there's so many levels to it, because there's the pre
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: which is leading up to the event, the weeks, the
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: months however fucking long he's watching and doing this for,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: and then there's the moment of going into the house
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: and actually abducting, which he is so planned for and ready. Yeah,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: he has all his steps once again planned out thoroughly.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: And then what seems to last not very long for
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: all this build up is the actual abduction and the
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: sexual abuse. Don't get me wrong, it's the most horrific part.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: And thankfully it doesn't last that long. We've covered cases
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: where it's fucking years, right, Yeah, So thankfully he does
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: let them go.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: It's surprising that he doesn't kill them.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there is a massive mind game to this.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: But I mean, he's keeping them alive, but he is damaging.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Oh no, he's for the entirety of the rest of
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: their life.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, what he's putting them through not cool.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: It's gonna fuck with them. Yeah, I have no words
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: for it, honestly. So after that, that leads us to Carmen.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: On Saturday, April thirteenth, nineteen ninety one. It was a
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: nice spring day and thirteen year old Carmen Chan had
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: spent the day attending tennis lessons, having lunch with their mother,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: and spent time studying alone at the library. In the afternoon,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: friends of the Chans picked up Carmen and her sister Carly,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: who was nine and Karen, who was seven, and took
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: them to the family's restaurant, where they had dinner and
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: were seen playing outside. At six thirty pm, on employee
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: of the family restaurant drove the girls home to the
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: family's sprawling home where their father, John was waiting. From there,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: John greeted them, but he had to leave for work,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: and it was about an hour later that Carmen was
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: now in charge of babysitting her sisters. This was a
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: routine for the Chan family. After school, Carmen and her
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: sisters would take the bus straight for dinner at the
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: restaurant and get dropped off at home by one of
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: the restaurant employees. It is possible and theorized that someone
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: had followed the girls home from school from the restaurant
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: on one of these trips. In the weeks prior, a
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: man had reported to be sorry reported to Doncaster Police
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: by neighbors for sitting in a sedan apparently watching the
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: school bus opposite the chance House for several mornings. So
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: someone saw this man sitting in a vehicle watching. According
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: to another source, two weeks before, a tradesman had mysteriously
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: appeared at the Chans door looking for work, and the
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: days leading up to this day, the Chans had been
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: forced to turn off their alarm system after something kept
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: setting it off.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Oh and they oh, no, okay.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Now their house was essentially a fortress like that. They've
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: got money, right. They had a two meter high fence
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: an electric gate, but still being a fortress or not.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: On the night of April thirteenth, there was little security
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: that would protect these girls well.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: And honestly, he probably I feel picked that on purpose
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: as a challenge or something.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Right, they very well could have now well. Carmen and
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: her sisters red stories and watched TV. A man in
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: a green, gray tracksuit and brown belliclava broke in through
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: a window at around eight forty pm. When Carmen and
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Carly headed to the kitchen for something to eat, he
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: made his move and confronted them with a long silver
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: carving knife quote see this knife, where's your mom and dad?
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: And then he grabbed them by the hair be where
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: he led them back to Carmen's bedroom and this is
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: where he found the other sister, Karen, hiding behind the door.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: He gagged and bound the two younger sisters, and he
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: shut them in a cupboard and he told them, you,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: two little ones, get in the cupboard, I won't hurt you.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Still holding Carmen by the hair, he pushed a bed
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: against the cupboard door to trap them inside and told
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: them she would be back to get them. From here,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: things get a little unclear, but she was taken from
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: the home and again, like all the others, placed into
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: a car. The two younger girls, Karen and Carly, managed
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: to free themselves after about ten minutes and called the
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: restaurant to tell their father a man had taken Carmen now.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, the family car was found spray painted with
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: the words quote payback Asian drug dealer, more and more
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: to come now. This led many people into believing that
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Carmen's father had something to do with us. The family,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: after all, had a lot of money, and speculation began
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: to circulate about him being involved in some sort of
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: drug ring and having some serious gambling debts. Investigators, however,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: could not find any evidence of this, and they believed
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: the message was put there as a red hair. Her
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: father was squeaky clean. Each one of these incidentss incidences
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: incidents incidents there you go. Have had things to try
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: and throw people off, from radio stations playing at each
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: time a different radio station, to pretending to be on
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: the phone with someone or acting as if another person
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: was in the room as mister Krule was, holding victims blindfolded,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: or even pretending that a car wouldn't start and saying
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: that it was a stolen car that a friend had
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: loaned him. Many of these things investigators believe were done
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: to confuse victims, confuse investigators, throwing them off of the trail,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: and they believe this vehicle, the spray painting was also Yeah,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: those things.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: That makes sense that I mean, the amount of time
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: that this fucking guy is putting into this shit. Hey,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, he's It's unbelievable.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Everything, every ounce of his energy is going into planning
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: these and executing these. Yeah everything. I think this is
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: literally his fucking life.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: To do these. Now you even wonder if he has
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: a job or what.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Hey yeah, Now, through it all, the family was distraught.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: They wanted their daughter and they wanted their sister back safe.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: They did press conferences, conferences and pleaded for her safe return.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: But the days turned into weeks. Oh no, in the
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: weeks turned into months, until finally, on April ninth, nineteen
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: ninety two, a human skull was found in a landfill
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: area at the rear of an electrical substation on the
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: intersection of Mahoney's Road and High Street. Dental records confirmed
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: it was Carmen Chan and she had been shot at
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: least three times in the back of the head. Her
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: badly decomposed body had been there for a year.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: No no, yeah, wow.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Now. A witness who lived in a house overlooking the
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: landfill area where Carmen's remains were found recalled seeing a
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: man wearing a hooded waterproof raincoat digging beside a truck
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: on a gray and rainy day. When this sighting occurred,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: It's kind of unclear, but two three days after Carmen's abduction,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: the weather was cloudy with showers.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, man, so he has really escalated here. That is
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: just so brutal, so sad.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, a lot of people do have their doubts
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: that mister Krull was responsible for Carmen's death.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, they think of someone else.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Carmen's execution style murder a hallmark of a criminal hit,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: they say, rather than a murder by a pedophile. So
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: they're saying, you know, maybe the messages on the car
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: were true. Maybe this execution style is showing or saying something.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: And it has nothing to do with this other dude.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: That's what some think. Authorities disagree, and Phyllis, Carmen's mother, however,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: firmly disagrees as well. She believes that Carmen's fate may
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: have been sealed in the moment that she may have
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: ripped off her blindfold in the abduction, making her the
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: only person to see mister Kruhle's face. But in that moment,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: he made sure she would be unable to tell anyone
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: what she saw.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I mean I guess he has all these
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: really weird freaking rules.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, huh. It is believed that this man could
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: be responsible mister Krule or connected to up to a
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: dozen different incidents. One of the primary challenges in investigating
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: mister Krule is the lack of forensic evidence that was
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: left behind. His meticulous approach to cleaning up crime scenes,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: leaving behind false clues left little for investigators to work with.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: He wore gloves, he wore a mask. He ensured that
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: there was no fingerprints or DNA left behind. This careful
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: attention to deeptail frustrated investigators and made it very difficult
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: to develop any sort of leads. Now they have found
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: a partial fingerprint that may be mister Crules, may not be,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: and a swab from a rape kit from one of
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: the victims. But outside of that, they have some descriptions
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: from incidents which allowed for several composite sketches of mister
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Krule to be created, which were widely circulated. Now, these
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: sketches portray a man in his thirties or forties with
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: a slim build and a calm, methodical demeanor. But apart
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: from that, they have nothing.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: This fucking case isn't solved.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Ben, There's no definitive identification that has ever been made,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: and the identity of mister Kruel is still to this
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: day a mystery. Damn it.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: I was waiting to hear about this motherfucker. I know you,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: and what the hell he is doing?
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Okay, that is the case that really ends.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: We're done, and after Carmen is Carmen right, Yes, there's
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: just like there was no other victims that we know of,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: that we know of.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're speculated that it can be responsible of
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: to a dozen. But there's the there's the four that
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I talked about are the four confirmed mister Kruel. In fact,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: actually one of them is still speculated.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: But yeah, gosh, the guy has gotten away with as
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: shit and just live in his life. He has live
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: in his fucked up life he has. Wow, I'm shocked.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: I didn't actually expect this one to be not solved.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Now. I do want to say there is a website
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: called who is mister Cruel dot com. It was a
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: major source in this episode, and I do want to
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: say you guys should go check it out because there
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: is a lot of there's This is a massive case,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: like I could probably go on for like twelve episodes
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: in this case, it's insane. I do recommend you go
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: check out this website, do some reading, dive into it
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: because it is very interesting. It's quite wild, and they
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: do go through some suspects, but I mean, there's there's
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: nothing really that's ever really come forward as far as
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: suspects are. It's just like maybe sort of thing, but
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: that's about it.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, that is so disappointing that he did such
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: terrible things yeah, and it's just live in his life.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's exactly what he's doing. He got away with
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: it so far.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: That's the thing that just I feel like gets me
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: so much about with true crime is when it's not
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: solved and that they are not paying for their actions.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: I just can't. I can't deal with that, especially like
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: these there's kids involved, Like, Oh.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not okay, you don't say.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: So.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Are you just gonna like stress punch me in the
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: face after this or something? That's what I feel like
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: it's gonna happen.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Alarmed or on guard after this.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: If I have a black eye in next week's.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, says me, who woke up with the
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: freaking sore nose the other day? You punched me in
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: the nose while I was sleeping. I think what my
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: nose was so sore. It was the weirdest thing I've
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: ever encountered.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's probably the dogs kicking you in the face
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Something happened while I was sleeping.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Clearly, Yeah, anyways, that's the case. Like I said, go
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: check out that website, and I'm sorry to drop a
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: mystery one on you. I was really tempted at the
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: beginning to tell you guys, it's an unsolved case. It's
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: a mystery. But you know what, it's been a long
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: time since I left the hangar, so I was like,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: you know what, No, I'm leaving it on this one.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: I guess, Yeah, it has been a while, so I.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Guess I've been very nice and recent.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Unsolved, I've been very nice.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I have my house, I've told people ahead of time.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: It's all at the beginning, I'm like, this is an
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: unsolved case. No, this one, I'm pretty sure people were
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: going to get some angry.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Messages though possibly, No, it happened.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: It's it's definitely going to happen. I know it will happen,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: but trust me worth it.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, that would have been a very
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: hard one to research and to present. So I guess
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: you had to get a little something out of this, right, yes.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Well, anyways, if you guys want to check out our
• 45:58
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• 46:00
  Speaker 1: description of this podcast. We have Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, two
• 46:03
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• 46:05
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• 46:08
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• 46:12
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• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Beer and all not making eye contact at you because
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: I'm pissed.
• 46:17
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• 46:21
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• 46:22
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• 46:30
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• 46:32
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• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, thank you for being here until next time.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Until next time, Stay wicked.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: I thought I was going to say it per second.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, we'll say it too.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: No, it's all good. You got it, you did good.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, stay Wicked.