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Reflections Of Life With DANNY CASE Of FROM ASHES TO NEW · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: What's up. This is Danny and from Ashes to New Beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Congrats on everything around Reflection so far.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a huge role out. I wanted to just
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  Speaker 2: start with die for You because it feels really honest.
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  Speaker 2: Where did that song begin?
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  Speaker 1: For you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the song was brought to the table by Lance
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  Speaker 3: and it was something that he was working on. There
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  Speaker 3: was something that he was kind of going through or
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  Speaker 3: you know, he had made made mistakes and relationships and
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  Speaker 3: you know, he you know, poured himself into someone else
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  Speaker 3: and he finally realized that, you know, over and over,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to die for you. So a lot
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  Speaker 3: of the lyrics came from Lance, and it is a
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  Speaker 3: really honest song and I think it's something that almost
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  Speaker 3: all of us can relate to as well.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I was.
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  Speaker 3: I was also in a relationship once where it was
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  Speaker 3: I just felt like I was giving and giving and
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  Speaker 3: giving and it just never was good enough.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, definitely been there too. And also the song
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  Speaker 2: balances vulnerability with heavy instrument instrumentation. How intentional was that
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  Speaker 2: contrast during recording?
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  Speaker 1: And it was, yeah, it was it was definitely.
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  Speaker 3: We did everything that we could do to like support
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  Speaker 3: the emotion behind the lyrics, with the emotion of the music.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I think we we spent as much time
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  Speaker 3: as we could, like looking at the looking at the
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  Speaker 3: emotion of the music, and really trying to lean into
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  Speaker 3: it as much as possible with with the melodies, with
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  Speaker 3: the lyrics, all that stuff. And then again Lance brought
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  Speaker 3: a lot of this to the table and we were like,
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  Speaker 3: this is really great and Matt.
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  Speaker 1: Matt and I both had an idea for the song.
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  Speaker 3: There was like whole big intro and we're like, we
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  Speaker 3: should just cut to the chase on this one, like
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  Speaker 3: go right into the verse, boom vocal right in your face,
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  Speaker 3: and and uh, you know, we knew because the song
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  Speaker 3: was emotionally heavy, we really wanted to have big impacts
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  Speaker 3: and drops into the you know, into the chorus or
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  Speaker 3: like the bridge kind of crescendoing. So you know, we
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  Speaker 3: wanted it to really come across as deeply emotional and powerful,
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  Speaker 3: so we we tried to do our best to make
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  Speaker 3: sure that the music kind of matched that in the
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  Speaker 3: same way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and I think that was a really smart
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  Speaker 2: decision because, like you said, big emotional songs don't always
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  Speaker 2: make that huge build up and lead like sometimes getting
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  Speaker 2: straight into it, like what you guys did just is
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  Speaker 2: so effective.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that, you know, it's funny.
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  Speaker 3: Matt and I both independently had the same thought about
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  Speaker 3: the song where I was. I was on my way
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  Speaker 3: home from the studio. We took like a little break
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  Speaker 3: and I was like saying the song over and over
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  Speaker 3: and I just hit this click in my mind. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, oh my gosh, we should get rid of
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  Speaker 3: this entire beginning of the song and just like go
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  Speaker 3: right into it. And Matt was like, I literally just
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  Speaker 3: got done telling them the same thing. Oh my god,
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  Speaker 3: that's crazy, Like that's got to be in a move.
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  Speaker 3: And we really felt like this song was going to
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  Speaker 3: be huge just because of how much you could just
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  Speaker 3: feel everything in the in the song and it I
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  Speaker 3: feel like it's blowing up on social media. It's pretty wild.
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  Speaker 3: So it's it's cool to see that, you know, we
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  Speaker 3: were right about that, and.
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  Speaker 1: It's always it's always rewarding to see that.
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  Speaker 2: From to Fruition, Yeah, yeah, definitely it must be. And
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  Speaker 2: talking more about parts that were scrapped, you guys scrapped
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  Speaker 2: most of the original demos for this album. What made
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  Speaker 2: you realize those songs weren't the right direction.
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  Speaker 3: I think we all kind of weren't saying it, but
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  Speaker 3: where we were all feeling it. A lot of the
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  Speaker 3: times where we were like, you know what, this isn't
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  Speaker 3: moving us, and it's not. If it's not moving us,
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  Speaker 3: it's not going to move anybody else. So we eventually
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  Speaker 3: just came to a point where like, look, we spend
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  Speaker 3: tens of thousands of dollars on music videos, we need
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  Speaker 3: to treat the music itself the same. We can't just say, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: we have eight weeks to record and that's going to
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  Speaker 3: be the album regardless of what happens in the studio. So,
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  Speaker 3: like we put these songs together and we were like,
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  Speaker 3: this isn't cutting it. We need to It doesn't matter
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  Speaker 3: if we need to pay for it ourselves. We need
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  Speaker 3: to go back into the studio, scrap everything that we
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  Speaker 3: don't like and make this the album that it should
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  Speaker 3: be and that the fans deserve. And so we spent
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  Speaker 3: two and a half times the amount of time that
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  Speaker 3: we normally spend in the studio was something like almost
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  Speaker 3: twenty weeks totally.
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  Speaker 1: It was it was wild, It was it was really incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And was there anything that you scrapped that like,
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  Speaker 2: now looking back, you're like, oh, maybe we could have
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  Speaker 2: kept that in.
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  Speaker 3: I think so there were definitely parts of songs that
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  Speaker 3: we were like, this is a really good part.
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  Speaker 1: We don't have to lose this. So I think we
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  Speaker 1: did a.
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  Speaker 3: Really good job of like salvaging anything that was worth
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  Speaker 3: salvaging from, you know, the demos that we had originally
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  Speaker 3: written out. So I can't say no, I would say no,
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  Speaker 3: there's there's not really anything that I miss because I
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  Speaker 3: can't even think of anything. All the time I had
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  Speaker 3: everything that that was the best that you really liked
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  Speaker 3: is on the album.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's wicked. And was that was that a
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  Speaker 2: creative raset frustrating at first or did it immediately feel
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  Speaker 2: like it was the right move.
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  Speaker 3: I think everything was frustrating up until that point. So
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  Speaker 3: once we finally made that move and we locked in
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  Speaker 3: and we had the discussion of like.
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  Speaker 1: Look, we gotta we gotta, we got to be.
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  Speaker 3: Better, we got to do better, I think that's when
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  Speaker 3: things really got good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and less frustrating from that point.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, for sure, we were tearing our hair out and
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  Speaker 3: each other's hair out.
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  Speaker 2: It was wild.
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  Speaker 1: It was.
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  Speaker 3: It was a tough process. But no growth comes through comfort.
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  Speaker 3: So if you want to grow and you want to change,
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  Speaker 3: you better get ready to be uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 1: So we did plenty of that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh exactly well said. And with reflections, do
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  Speaker 2: you feel like you guys pushed further than anything you've
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  Speaker 2: done before, especially as a vocalist.
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  Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, I mean aside from the vocals, like instrumentally
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  Speaker 3: that we did a lot more.
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  Speaker 1: We scrutinized everything.
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  Speaker 3: Everything went under you know, a magnifying glass, and we
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  Speaker 3: we combed through everything and made sure that it was
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  Speaker 3: the best it could be. And we also spent tons
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  Speaker 3: of time. Lance and Matt spent a ton of time
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  Speaker 3: on the production side of.
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  Speaker 1: Things, way more layers and way more just.
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  Speaker 3: Overall like production into the songs themselves, so that they
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  Speaker 3: were just these way bigger songs. We looked at like
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  Speaker 3: an old track from an older album and it was
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  Speaker 3: like twenty tracks or something like that total like that
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  Speaker 3: were in the project, and these ones are like ninety
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  Speaker 3: one hundred, one hundred and ten like tons of like
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  Speaker 3: little sounds and little pieces and little things that add
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  Speaker 3: to the music.
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  Speaker 1: And then absolutely on top of that the vocals.
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  Speaker 3: We we did everything that we could to make the
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  Speaker 3: vocals the best that they could be, and I did
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  Speaker 3: a lot of pushing for myself of like, Okay, how
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  Speaker 3: dynamic can I be on this part? Can I go
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  Speaker 3: from a really soft falsetto into a full saying back
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  Speaker 3: into the falsetto and then scream apart and then and
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  Speaker 3: then get out of it with a with a full
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  Speaker 3: belt at the end. And that's that's kind of like
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  Speaker 3: the uh part before the second course of Die for You,
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  Speaker 3: where I'm singing now I try to hold my breath
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  Speaker 3: with your knife inside my chest. It is a very,
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  Speaker 3: very vocally complex thing. And that's the part that most
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  Speaker 3: people are like, wow, this is so like good, this
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  Speaker 3: is so emotional.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, so it's cool to see that payoff too.
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  Speaker 2: Rehearsing that bit just specifically, how has that been for
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  Speaker 2: you vocally? Is it challenging or yes?
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  Speaker 1: And it was. It was.
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  Speaker 3: It was very challenging, and it was nice to be
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  Speaker 3: challenged because I feel like a lot of the things
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  Speaker 3: i'm blackout. I felt like we're safe for me, and
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  Speaker 3: it's like I can do this all day every day
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  Speaker 3: and and not break a sweat, and I feel like
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  Speaker 3: a lot of things on this record were like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: I really really have to actually practice these parts so
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  Speaker 3: that I nail them and so that it comes across,
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  Speaker 3: the emotion comes across.
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  Speaker 1: And then I also, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Am not like singing out of key or singing out
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  Speaker 3: of breath or anything like that. So there was a
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  Speaker 3: lot of preparation in a singing specifically Die for You.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, oh, we definitely noticed it on Die
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  Speaker 2: for You. I was like, there's no way this is
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  Speaker 2: humanly possible, but you're like, you've proved that, no, it is,
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  Speaker 2: you can do it.
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  Speaker 1: That's yeah. It was just it was super hard.
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  Speaker 3: It was super hard, and I spent a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: times specifically on the verse as well, where I heard
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  Speaker 3: the first demo of it that Lance did, and I
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  Speaker 3: was like, okay, I got to think about every little word,
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  Speaker 3: every little piece of word, every syllable, and like think
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  Speaker 3: about how I'm going to sing it, how is it
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  Speaker 3: gonna you know, translate emotionally, and what can I do
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  Speaker 3: to help get that across. It was a it was
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  Speaker 3: a really it was a labor of love and it
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  Speaker 3: was awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, do you personally as well, find it hard
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  Speaker 2: to decide that a song is done or are you
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  Speaker 2: pretty good at saying no, this is perfect, send it
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  Speaker 2: off like that's it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, as artists, we could probably mess with a song
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  Speaker 3: for eternity, you know, and just be like.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it could be better, It could be better, could
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  Speaker 1: be better.
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  Speaker 3: So there's definitely a delicate point where it's like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: this is done, not only because like you know, we
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  Speaker 3: do have some kind of a time frame that we've
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  Speaker 3: got to be on, yeah, but also like you know,
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  Speaker 3: you can mess with something to the point where you
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  Speaker 3: start ruining it. So it's like it's finding that balancing
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  Speaker 3: point where you're like, Okay, this is this is great.
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  Speaker 3: Let's just let's just leave it as is and move on.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely, And also drag Me is already seeing major
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  Speaker 2: success as well. Did that influence your confidence going into
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  Speaker 2: the rest of the album roll Out?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a hard time trying to pick songs
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  Speaker 3: to put out before the record because there were so
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  Speaker 3: many that we were like, God, like, I personally have
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  Speaker 3: a list of like seven songs where like any one
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  Speaker 3: of these seven songs could be my favorite song. So
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  Speaker 3: I was like trying to pick just a few songs
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  Speaker 3: out of that bunch was really really hard. And Maddie
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  Speaker 3: and j Me and Lance really liked drag Me and
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  Speaker 3: we felt that was a good representation of the band's sound.
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  Speaker 1: What's that?
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  Speaker 2: Did you like drag Me as much as they did
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  Speaker 2: at first?
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  Speaker 1: Or no?
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  Speaker 3: And that's the best I think that's the best thing
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  Speaker 3: about this album is that there's something in there for everyone. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: So it's cool to see that song do so well.
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  Speaker 3: And we wanted to try something kind of out of
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  Speaker 3: left field, so when we put out Villain Like that
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  Speaker 3: was kind of something that I think we hadn't really
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  Speaker 3: done before stylistically, so it was cool to some.
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  Speaker 1: People see that well.
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  Speaker 3: And then obviously Die for You was just going crazy,
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  Speaker 3: which is the one that we felt like was going
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  Speaker 3: to be the big one or one of the big
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  Speaker 3: ones of the record. We've got another one up our sleeves,
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  Speaker 3: but for right now, that's that's the big one.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting. I can't wait to see if our predictions on
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  Speaker 2: what the next big one will be come true.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's so cool. And the album title as well,
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  Speaker 2: reflections suggests looking inwood. What did you learn about yourself
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  Speaker 2: during this process?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, man, I definitely learned that I had fallen victim
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  Speaker 3: to something that a lot of musicians that reach this
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  Speaker 3: level fall into, and that's being bitter or jaded or
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  Speaker 3: just kind of like inconvenience or irritated about the things
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  Speaker 3: that this job entails that maybe you don't necessarily want
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  Speaker 3: to do or you didn't necessarily sign up for. And
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  Speaker 3: I think it made me not appreciate all the things
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  Speaker 3: that I should be day in and day out, and so,
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  Speaker 3: and I was going through some personal changes too. I
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  Speaker 3: think I've posted this on social media. I got a
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  Speaker 3: hair transplant, and that was after I had I had
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  Speaker 3: gone through other treatments that I had tried, and one
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  Speaker 3: of those treatments is like it's like a topical thing
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  Speaker 3: that you put on, but it can affect your test
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  Speaker 3: doosterone levels. And I'm pretty sure that it genuinely like
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  Speaker 3: ruined my life for like three three months. And they
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  Speaker 3: say that that's possible that you never fully recover from it.
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  Speaker 1: The effects can be permanent.
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  Speaker 3: So, like I had a period of time where I'd
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  Speaker 3: gained weight and I was not really happy, and like
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  Speaker 3: I was just resentful about like the things that I
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  Speaker 3: didn't want to do. About the job or the things
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  Speaker 3: that were that I felt were just like busy work
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  Speaker 3: that I didn't necessarily want to do. And then on
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  Speaker 3: the other side of it, I learned that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: there are literally hundreds of thousands of people that would
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  Speaker 3: kill to be able to do what I get to do,
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  Speaker 3: and if I'm not being grateful for that every day,
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  Speaker 3: then I don't deserve it. And so I started looking
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  Speaker 3: at all the smallest things in life and being grateful
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  Speaker 3: for them and just appreciating that I get to one
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  Speaker 3: even just be alive and to live the life that
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  Speaker 3: I live. And so I definitely learned that I had
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  Speaker 3: to let go of my dark side, which you know
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  Speaker 3: is a song on the record that talks about that, Yes,
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  Speaker 3: and embrace all the great things that I've been taking
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  Speaker 3: for granted.
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  Speaker 2: But hey, also, I think you're being This probably won't
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  Speaker 2: make it into the interview, but I think you're being
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  Speaker 2: a bit too harsh on yourself. If you can look
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  Speaker 2: back and recognize that maybe you were not acting like
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  Speaker 2: yourself at that time, I think that's huge that you
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  Speaker 2: even recognize that. You know, most people would just spob
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  Speaker 2: it off and be like, you know, not worry.
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  Speaker 1: About oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 3: I love philosophy and you know, deep thinking about like
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  Speaker 3: the world and about life and about all that kind
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  Speaker 3: of stuff. And my brother's got his master's in psychology
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  Speaker 3: and we talk about a lot of different philosophies. And
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  Speaker 3: I think the best thing you can do for yourself
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  Speaker 3: is to open up your mind and look into all
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  Speaker 3: the dark corners that maybe you don't want to look
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  Speaker 3: into and explore them. Not to just go like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I've got this wrong with or that wrong with me,
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  Speaker 3: but just to have an awareness of them and be like,
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  Speaker 3: are you okay with that being there because it can
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  Speaker 3: be okay? Or is it something that bothers you enough
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  Speaker 3: that you would like to see a change? And I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to see a change, And so ever since then,
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  Speaker 3: I've made a conscious effort to be more grateful for
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  Speaker 3: every little thing that I have in this life, and
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  Speaker 3: it's made me happier than I could imagine.
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  Speaker 2: That's so good to hear. I'm so glad that, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: our positives come out of that.
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  Speaker 3: Darkness absolutely, And I think I think Matt can also
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  Speaker 3: attest to that too. He's gone through a lot of
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  Speaker 3: personal stuff and worked it out and come out on
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  Speaker 3: the other side, and I think that is something that's
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  Speaker 3: deeply ingrained in this band. You know, this band doesn't
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  Speaker 3: have any quit in it. And it's like there are
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  Speaker 3: a lot of bands that if they had gone through
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  Speaker 3: what we went through in the recording process of this record,
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  Speaker 3: they might have gone a little too far and broken
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  Speaker 3: up or fallen apart or whatever, and we've just just
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  Speaker 3: always found a way to figure it out and get
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  Speaker 3: through it.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely. You guys have persevered for so many years as well,
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  Speaker 2: when you know, as we know, a lot of bands,
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  Speaker 2: as you were saying, do not make it past those hurdles.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it's it's very hard when you're trying to juggle
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  Speaker 3: four to five different minds with four to five different
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  Speaker 3: thought processes.
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  Speaker 1: And emaos, and having a group of.
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  Speaker 3: Guys who are always coming together, you know, in good
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  Speaker 3: faith is very very rare, and I think that that
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  Speaker 3: is one of our superpowers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I definitely agree. And just quickly back to
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  Speaker 2: the Dive for You music video which features Corouella Morgan.
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  Speaker 2: How did that Corilla? How did that Corella? How did
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  Speaker 2: that collaboration come about? And what did she bring to
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  Speaker 2: the visual?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So we first had an idea to.
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  Speaker 3: Bring this other influencer whose name is Drea into a
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  Speaker 3: music video for Villain, and we were like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: there are a few really kind of big names on
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  Speaker 3: our and our genre and our side of the industry
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  Speaker 3: that promote music and do a great job of it,
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  Speaker 3: and I think they were looking for their own way
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  Speaker 3: to branch out and their own way to kind of
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  Speaker 3: legitimize themselves as well. And it was a way for
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: us to also get into the TikTok world. And so
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: we reached out to a couple of influencers who were like,
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: we really like you know what you do, and it
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: would be cool to have you in a music video
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: and can collaborate and that can help each of our
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: fan bases grow.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: And It's like.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Corella was one of the people that we reached out
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: to who was like down to do it, and she
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: was awesome. She did just such a great job and
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: her aesthetic and everything that she did at the shoot
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: was great, and I feel like added such a cool
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: layer to the music video, you know, rather than just
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: getting some you know, random actress that like the music
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: video director retires, it's like, Okay, she's going to do
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: all the apps track and background stuff. It's like, let's
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: get somebody who like is it in our space, who
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: would love to be able to do this, who also
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: has a bunch of listeners and viewers who would love
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: to see them be a part of the industry that
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: they promote.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: For sure, for sure, and well done on promoting you know,
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: someone else in the industry and a woman as well,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I might add, you know in the space. It's absolutely commendable.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: And I also think it is the perfect pairing you guys. Like,
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: it's just like, yes, it works, and the music video
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: people haven't seen it, you need to see it's amazing.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: And another one. Your music often connects deeply with fans
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: going through tough situations. Do you feel a responsibility when
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: writing about heavy things like this?
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Loosely? Yeah, would, I would say so.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: We try to write from an honest place and we
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: try to just write for ourselves, and in doing so,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: I think that's how we how we serve people, so
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: we don't necessarily go in and be like, Okay, how
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: can we help other people? It's like, first and foremost,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: how do we help ourselves? And how do we write
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: for ourselves? Because if we can be honest and genuine
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: and we can make music that really resonates with us,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: that's going to it's gonna happen.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: You know, with our with our listeners.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: So we definitely know that that is a consequence of
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: what we write. So so loosely, yeah, I would, I
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: would say we do kind of feel some sort of
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: responsibility and it's kind of just a natural consequence I
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: think of the music that we make.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: So it's it's cool that it's able to help people out.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely. And touring with bands like Blackmail, Brides
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: and Shine Down, what excites you most about sharing the
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: stage with them? Oh?
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean Blackveil has been in the scene
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: for a really long time and has made such great
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: name for themselves. CCOs their drummer as a good friend
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: of ours and such a great dude.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: So we're excited to do the tour together.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Hopefully you know, it's going to be warm, so we
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: might get a chance to grill out and have a
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: little bit of hangtime.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: And we're excited to be on the road with them.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: We've we've wanted to do a tour with them for
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: a while, so I think it's gonna be great. And
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: we've already you know, been obviously working together with their
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: team on the back end of things and they've been
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: super awesome. So nothing but good things to say about them.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: And the same thing for Shin Down the Shine Down
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: is they're the best in the game, Like touring with
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: them is because we did a tour with them back
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three and they are just the bass dudes.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: They're super awesome, super dominating. You know, there are bands
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: out there that you know, you get on their tour
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: and they're like, this is our show, and this is
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: the space you get, and this is the time you
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: get and you better not step out a line or
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: you better not mes. You know, that's an exaggeration, but
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: you know, there are some bands where it's just like, hey,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: we don't like what you're doing here, and you kept,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: it's like not like we're necessarily doing any thing wrong,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: but yeah, we're definitely like, okay, we better just stay
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: in our lane and like blinders on and just do
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: everything right and get off the stage and.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Make you know, any phone or any noise.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: And you know, with Shine Out, it's like it's they
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: they are just super comminating and they want the show
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: as an as a whole to be great. So you know,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: they they aren't like trying to limit the opening bands, like, oh,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: we don't want you to outshine us.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: You can't do this and you can't do that. They
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: are the opposite of that.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: They're like, whatever you need to make your show great,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: let us know and we'll make it happen.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Oh that's like I can just like my perception of
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: them is that. So it's so good to hear that
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: they are actually like that. That's awesome.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: And just quickly, last two quicks, it's great, they're awesome.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Oh that's so beautiful. Last two questions. Do we think
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: we're getting an Australian tool.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: We're trying to put something together, but there are no
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: promises right now. We're trying to get something together for
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: later this year, but I don't want to.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Get anybody hope. So so it's just got to stay
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: at him maybe for right now.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's fair enough. I know logistically as well,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: coming here takes.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: A lot, it does, it does.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: But I will say, like the Australian market is very accommodating,
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: like I think usually like the promoters will like help
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: handle the travel and and.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Everything like that. We have to ship over there and
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: all that stuff.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: So when we came over to do good things and
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: the couple headline shows that we did.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: We were so well taken care of it.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: It made it so much, so much easier than what
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: we thought it was going to be. So and that's
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: a big reason why we want to come back. So
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: we'll definitely try to make those those shows happen.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: We oh, we so hope so. And last question, if
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: listeners take one thing away from reflections, especially from tracks
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: like Die for You, what do you hope it is?
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's that life is.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Life is a good thing and it is worth living,
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: and even the worst times in your life serve as
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: a way to appreciate all that you do have because
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, I truly believe that
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: we get to live this life and we get to
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: experience this life, and regardless of how many bad things happen,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: there is always something good to find in the life
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: that we're given.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, that's very powerful. Well said Danny. Thank you
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: so much for your time today. It's been amazing. Good
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: luck with everything.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Thanks thanks for having me.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, we'll say you soon.