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Talks to Luke Sims-Jenkins about his choice of Earthshock (3/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blunt. Pen knife for doing quicker,
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  quicker. Welcome back to a hamster with a
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  blunt pen Life. The The Doctor Who Commentary
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  podcast. 7 hours. I've been waiting to do this
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  commentary 7 hours. You know, position your men on
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  the walkway. Mr. Sims Jenkins.
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  See my comment? All I've got to say is that the
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  only line that pops into my head is you're beginning to bore me.
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  But that's not what's happening. I'm not born.
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  I can. Understand Mortified.
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  You know, it's a pity I've just composed a particularly nasty
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  epitaph for him. Oh, that's a great line.
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  See, she's great casting because those like man.
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  Yeah, we haven't mentioned it, but I wonder what we could be
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  talking about today. We are doing Part 3 of Earth
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  Shock by Eric Saywood, directed by Peter Grimwade, music by oh,
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  Malcolm Clark. He's he's crushing you.
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  He's making it actually add to the story rather than to.
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  Track It's so funny you should mention Malcolm Clark because I
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  was going to ask you to do a little sing song with me before
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  we go into the episode. What do you reckon?
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  I reckon I will do bad, OK. Right.
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  We'll do the March of the Sidemen, right?
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  So I'll sort of start us off and then you jump in with me.
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  All right, you ready? Done.
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  Done, done, done. Yeah, keep going.
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  Keep going, keep going. Yeah, I do that and you guys are
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  on part. That's it.
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  Now we do it. Great, isn't it?
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  I love it. Yeah, I was surprised because
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  the Mara Chess Club means I've had to do all the Davidson
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  stories with a critical eye, which means paying attention to
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  the music and being absolutely delighted and surprised that
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  Malcolm Clarke will turn up here and in Resurrection and you.
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  Say you've been paying attention to the music.
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  Is that right? More than more than I usually
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  do. Like who does the music, like
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  all that kind of stuff. I know, Peter Hell does the
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  theme and things like that, but it's the first time I've been
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  like, all right, I've got to pay attention to direction, you
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  know, like, I don't know, just put this proper podcast to kind
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  of ear, ear to it, I guess, yeah.
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  Well then it's a a good fortune then that you have landed in the
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  latest quiz show named that Peter Davidson Instant or Music
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  tune. I shall give you 5 snatches of
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  music. OK?
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  Your prize, if you win, is this fabulous Earth shock side man,
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  which I'm brandishing, OK? Excellent.
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  Excellent. OK.
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  You ready? Yeah.
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  See how much you've been paying attention now.
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  It is for today's day. You're right.
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  OK, what's this then? That's that is the fucking most
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  uncool music to play while going for a cruise in a stolen car, by
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  the way, like. OK, you ready for this?
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  Ready. Bomb, Bomb.
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  Bomb. Bomb.
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  Bomb. Bomb.
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  Bomb. Bomb.
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  Bomb. Bomb do you reckon?
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  I was thinking something like enlightenment or something.
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  It's the party scenes. Yeah, there we.
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  Go OK. Three out of five, I feel
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  better. I've got more than half of them
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  right now, so I feel I feel good.
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  OK, two more. That's.
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  Castrovelva. And it's Castrovelva.
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  Oh my God. You're so good.
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  At this OK. That's a large lamb shit.
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  Really, it is. What is that arc of Infinity?
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  It is when they're chasing around the streets now. 5 out of
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  five. Oh no, now I've got to send you
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  my side man. God damn it.
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  That's all right. Better.
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  Look, I will also say that there are parts of the era that have
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  like musically that have stayed in my soul.
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  Like all of the fight, all of it, the Five Doctors and boom,
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  boom, boom, boom, boom. Your bonus 1.
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  You ready for your bonus question?
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  All right, I love this bit of music.
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  Yeah, I have this. Yes, that's cool.
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  It's pan pipe, isn't it? Yeah, that's great.
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  That's I think that's Peter Howe.
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  I think. Send your letters.
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  I got the. I got the, I got the episode
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  right, at least, yeah. You sort of made the episode 3.
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  It was like, you know what, we're being so self indulgent,
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  we go and watch. Because just let me do the.
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  And isn't that the best score of the 80s come?
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  On. Oh, maybe the two doctors.
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  I do love that. One I do the some Taran themies.
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  That's great as well. Yeah, well, if anyone is still
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  listening, we're about to start episode 3 of our show.
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  Luke, would you care to count us in?
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  Yes, I will. OK, 1-2 now.
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  All right, 321-GO. Off we go.
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  Oh my. Can you think of anything more
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  joyful student just singing Doctor Who Instant or music with
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  a friend? I mean, it's just absolutely
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  wonderful. Well, see, you're the first Test
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  I've ever had, and you make me feel good about an upcoming
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  episode I have about the music of the era.
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  Now that I I can get a six out of five right it it makes me
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  feel pretty good. Oh, you got 6 out of 6 right?
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  You got Frontiers right as well. Yeah, it was a bonus question.
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  I did say 6 out of five. It was 5 official, one bonus.
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  Yeah. Oh.
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  You just say 6 out of five. That's right.
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  Oh, why won't they show themselves?
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  Oh. By the way, there'll be a scene,
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  I think it's in episode 3 with Adric.
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  Like I like how they liked they wanted to make him this kind of
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  artful Dodger who could sneakily do shit.
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  Guy couldn't even sneakily take his badge off without some nerd
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  watching him. So I feel like everything that
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  Adric's character was supposed to be is Turlo, and Mark
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  Strickson absolutely crushes it. Tell Mark Stricken's only got to
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  look over his shouldering resurrection on a dark and he
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  looks shifty. But you know, like Mark Stricken
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  didn't come on set to meet his heroes and get shit on so.
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  I mean, props to Adric, though, for realizing how these stories
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  sort of go. He just went, oh, look, let's
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  get out of here before we're caught and blamed, all right?
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  Yeah, he knows. This is how it usually goes.
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  Yes, on this ship we execute murderers.
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  If I was to see that guy and anything else, I would still
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  like expect him to be a traitor and a whinger.
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  It's like the dude in Revenge of the Cybermen who's in the first
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  episode of like Blake 7. Like I know him for those two
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  roles and now I know he's a piece of shit for life.
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  Like there's nothing. Bricks apprehended.
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  Why can't you say court is so melodramatic?
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  Reading that bloody thesaurus. You've done well, Luke.
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  You get extra bonus. She is wonderful.
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  Like I. No, it's not the sort of actor
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  that should be in that role. Who cares?
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  She's growing. She crushes it as this kind of
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  bored slash bitchy boss who only cares about getting that fat
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  paycheck at the end. I mean, you would think the
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  cyber leader would be a boring role, but David Banks goes hold
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  my beer. You know he must be married to
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  suffer for our past defeats, he goes.
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  That's right. That Cyberman, that Cyberman in
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  particular, definitely went to the class where they taught you
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  about how dangerous the Doctor is.
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  Can I can I say something complimentary about Nista
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  because she don't get much to do in this, but the few lines that
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  she gets right, I think she does a melodramatic end of scene line
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  really well. Later on she goes, I want things
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  to settle down before we go out. She goes at one point and in
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  episode 1 she said, oh, is it episode 2?
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  She went, Oh my God, they're fighting back or something like
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  that. Like she could deliver a lie in
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  Sarah Sun. Yeah.
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  Now I'd say I recently really since from our just circular
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  time and that one really shows off some of the acting shops
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  that that that she has maybe a part of it's because she's older
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  at the time. They did.
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  They didn't explore. Yeah, the the the romance
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  episode is incredibly good, isn't it?
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  It holds up and. Then we did spare, pause and
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  look at the drama she brought to her.
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  So and. I recently listened to Creatures
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  of Beauty as well and she's unforgettably good in that one.
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  She's insanely good and, and, and when when she's given things
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  like a romance or something like that, which no offense to her,
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  but like if it went wrong, like like it would have, yeah, I
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  don't know, they might not have given her as maybe stuff to do
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  after that or something. But she's listened to the
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  challenge on audio. She's fantastic.
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  Flirting with Sasha Dewan in Ghost walk.
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  Oh, I do all that. Cliffhanger in the.
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  Peterloo smooth vicar voice talking to Nyssa and flirting.
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  I'm like he's smooth on audio by the way he's.
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  Do you remember that? That cliffhanger in the Peterloo
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  Massacre where the woman dies? Oh, my God.
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  Barrel Reed, A bomb from Earth, controlled from this ship, she
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  goes. You've caused me a great deal of
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  trouble. Her collar is like an owl.
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  It's like a Centauri haircut. It's.
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  I've made a point. Five, look at that thing.
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  Think of Peter Jurassic. She's having that collar on her.
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  To get it as high as it is. Oh, dude.
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  And what do you do to kind of get that kind of curl out of it?
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  It's, it's like, it's like a collar's been permed.
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  Oh, the the blissful moment of direction in a minute right when
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  he goes, oh, how many solos have you got?
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  Well, 5000 or and the camera zooms in and she goes no, it's
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  impossible. Oh my God.
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  Look, I know it's an effect of like tripling up, you know, for
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  that cliffhanger. It's like it's the same shot 3
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  times. I don't care.
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  I know what they're going for. I buy it.
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  Hey, it's a halabi, Luke. All right, It's a Halabi.
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  How many Dalek stories have I? Have I accepted like we've got a
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  Dalek army, we're going to destroy everyone.
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  How many Daleks is there? Three.
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  No, it's fine. And nobody like they give the
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  Cyberman shock line to Davidson, Baker and McCoy.
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  Baker gets it down in the sewers in Attack of the Cybermen.
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  McCoy gets it at the end of episode 1 in Silver Nemesis.
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  Silver Nemesis. No one tops when Davidson goes.
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  Cyberman, it's just fab. I'm glad you said that because
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  my Devo bias is definitely going to make there's some cyber butts
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  for you. I mean, recently I did a Moldrin
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  Undead commentary and I I do think he's a little bored
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  towards the end of that story so I can be critical of him.
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  But he wanted to work with William Russell.
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  And his best is great. Oh God she goes.
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  We must have come out of Warp Dr. and apparently then off she
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  went. Is that off of Star Ave. or some
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  terrible? Avenue Oh my goodness.
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  She's definitely one of those actresses that like book that if
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  she was in a big finish, she would be like, I didn't
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  understand any of this, but they did my job, did lunch, was
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  great. She's vicious, though.
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  I shall lose. She doesn't want.
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  To pay a heavy fine. Fine, yes.
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  He wants a bonus. Fine means less money.
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  This. Makes sense.
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  He goes, whoever was on that is on this ship.
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  Like he really is so serious about it.
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  God, he's good. And then Adric comes in.
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  You must listen to the doctor. Oh, shut up, Adric.
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  Yeah, so there's a really good audio iterations of I that kind
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  of where some guy takes Adric prisoner because he's so good at
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  maths, he's going to take him hostage to mess with the stock
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  market and shit. I would have like had Adric here
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  do some things like, oh, show us all your accounts and stuff.
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  Oh, well, if I do it like this, you're a trillionaire now.
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  Can we look at the things now, please?
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  That's that's, you know, but, you know, math nerds on the
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  show, we've had at least two of them by this point.
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  And the other one being what, Zoe?
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  What they do with Angie in an aquaphobia, isn't it?
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  She figures out the whole war just by looking at the accounts.
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  Oh, she's a genius. Yeah, but then of course the
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  writing was a bit better. The money.
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  Johnny Morris, come on now. Yeah, Yeah.
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  Although what I really like about is it.
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  Johnny Morris in this era, though.
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  Yeah, I'm not sure it's Eric Saywood.
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  Johnny Morris is a smart writer, I think.
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  I think Eric Saywood is like the Nicholas Briggs of this era.
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  Nicholas Briggs at his best delivers propulsive aliens esque
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  action. You know they are.
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  They are what? I like how they're using kind of
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  some kind of Mondrian esque looking diagrammed with squares
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  on it to show power loss. That's that's kind of nice with
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  the yellow and red. Here's that shot.
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  Look, you can see the Cox going in Davison's head as he's
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  playing with his fingers. Because he knows he has to stay
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  still, but his doctor doesn't stay still.
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  It's like that ADHD kind of fidgetiness about him that I'm
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  also drawn to because I have, I can have, I have that anyone
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  who's recorded with me has seen me play with my friend a lot.
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  I like it when a sentence gets away with you and you just let
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  it run. Like I'm like, no, he's getting
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  somewhere. Oh, there he is.
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  I got, I got a point like, I don't know how my brain works,
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  dude. Sometimes the whole idea comes
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  out at once and then I've got to kind of catch up to it before I
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  forget. I in episode 3, I think what's
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  really clever is the escalation of tension is Carnival World.
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  Yeah, we haven't actually. We've seen them sort of figuring
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  out that the side men are on board.
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  We then see them figure out that they're hiding in the silos and
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  then we realise how many silos there are.
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  So there's an escalation of suspense, but it's all dialogue.
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  And you think, well, OK, it's only going to be dialogue until
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  they suddenly burst out the silos in incredible sequences
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  and it really builds to a big crescendo.
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  It is this is a this is a really cool tension builder.
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  It's Part 3. Usually you kind of.
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  Oh, I can hear the March of the sight, man right now.
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  Oh my God, I can really see their cocks.
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  Luke, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.
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  I still can't watch invisible enemy the same way.
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  That's a clever shot as well. Look at that.
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  You see the silos where they've got them sort of going up out of
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  short, so it looks like they're enormous.
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  Oh, please. Now we're shooting them from the
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  other side. They made the bubbles.
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  Oh, look at this. Now we're is this the zoom in on
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  barrel or the zoom in on Peter Ice?
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  Peter, isn't it? Yeah.
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  This is what I mean about capturing the drama at the
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  moment. Give him a big close up.
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  Not quite yet. Zoom in Part 1, Zoom in Part 2.
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  There it is. Oh amazing.
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  And the angle is kind of like looking up at his face as well.
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  The camera is like right under his nugget.
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  And like that design, that sort of military Marine design,
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  Cyberman, it was such a savvy move.
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  They look so ridiculous in prevention Cybermen.
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  And now they're streamlined. They've got all that tubing in
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  that sort of lever that they wear.
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  What the fuck's happening in that chess piece?
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  We don't know, but it's cool. You can see the jaw.
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  It's a brilliant redesign. It's redesigned so good that
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  they keep it for the rest of Doctor Who in in this era.
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  The only time I don't think it works is Silver Nemesis where
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  they make them really sort of shiny.
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  Yeah, no. I mean, I love Silver Nemesis
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  for other reasons, but yeah. I love that scene where they're
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  in the the car with that Hollywood lady of the dog
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  that's. Oh, you were about to, as we're
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  not going to hear it because we haven't got the sound of it.
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  You're about to see the best line reading of the entire story
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  where Barrel Reed goes, you traitor, she goes.
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  It fits other MOS for Cybermen's stories as well to have a man on
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  the inside. Sometimes that man on the inside
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  is a big character like a Vaughan, or sometimes it's a
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  kind of really smaller side character until the Cybermen are
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  ready, like this guy in the Ringway and the dude from like 7
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  slash Revenge. The enemy's outside, Luke.
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  You're pointing your gun in the wrong direction.
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  I'm going to betray my whole species because this old lady
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  bullies me. That's right.
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  Yeah. He's betrayed his entire race
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  just because he's a beaten down little gay boy.
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  Oh, bless him. Oh, Ringway.
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  I mean they. Just keep.
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  Coming besides me, don't they? They cut through every single
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  person, leave a wake of corpses, and then they just keep coming.
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  See, this is something that this is a simple thing that isn't in
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  Warriors because I look, I love a lot of that.
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  Some of it because it's trash, some of it because I genuinely
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  like it. But there's no cover.
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  Like they're just standing there in the in the sea.
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  Devil standing in a line waiting to the shop.
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  Every step of the way in this story, the Cybermen are cutting
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  down the the the human resistance.
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  But every step of the way there's there's obstructions,
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  there's things have got to walk around and move and get around
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  and I. Was just a better director
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  though, like a director thinking about the action.
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  I mean, I know Pennant he he had less time to work with Warriors
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  of the day. Like it was rushed forward.
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  Wasn't it a week or something like that?
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  It lost a bit of time, yeah. I, I don't know, like, you know,
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  Fiona Cumming lost time for enlightenment and look how that
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  turned out. Yeah, that's magic.
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  So yeah, I, I do like that we get a bit of the Doctor
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  mentioning, see when it's done like this in an era or a time
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  where it's not easily accessible to get all these stories that
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  you want to see bits of. I'm kind of glad that Peter
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  Davidson is just like the Cybermen are from Bondas.
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  I I even froze their tombs up on Tellos and I'm like, whoa,
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  that's cool. I'd already seen Tomb by Simon,
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  but then that's a Tomb Cybermen reference.
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  Wow, what's Mondas? OK.
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  That was a great bit of direction there as well, where
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  he was bending down by Ridgeway. You could see the shadow of the
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  sidemen by the other door and then he just screams burger and
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  the the door just slams down. It's a great shock moment.
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  What I love and it is coming up is that they'll do a carbonite,
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  carbonite, not carbonite. That's Star Trek carbonite, Han
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  Solo kind of effect with a Cyberman and I and and I think
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  that's like, you know, if ever they thought, oh, we're on a
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  budget, we can't do anything like Star Wars.
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  I'm like, all right, sure, Lucas money maybe maybe would have
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  made that look better, but that looks great on no budget.
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  Come on, I love that shot. I've always loved it.
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  Don't give me my did. You see that that camera came
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  along that corridor with them up the stairs, up the stairs, felt
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  huge. And look at this shot.
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  He just knows. He knows how to get the best out
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  of every single set, doesn't he? He may have gone around, you
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  know, with his hands in a little square, you know, annoying all
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  the actors trying to get the best shots, but it was worth it.
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  Well, it's the one that the ones that let them all have a guy on
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  time that be like, oh, who who's directed that?
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  Oh, pendant rabbits. OK, Yeah.
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  Did you see the bit where Beryl Reed karate chopped Mr. Ringway?
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  That was great. How many things did she make
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  when she get to karate? Chopped people?
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  She probably loved it. Come on.
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  It's as well like. Here it is.
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  Gas bag in here. How do I say this nicely?
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  Doctor Who isn't sort of very cool, right?
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  It's it's a science fiction show and it is very often quite camp.
• 23:32
  Yeah. And I don't think you get like,
• 23:34
  really sort of. Oh, that's such a cool image.
• 23:36
  There's just loads of framing shots of loads of soldiers in
• 23:39
  here. There was a wonderful shot there
• 23:40
  of Tegan and Scott with the soldiers behind in the half dark
• 23:44
  with their guns. And you're like, that's fucking
• 23:46
  cool. That looks vocal, but if you
• 23:49
  just turn this on, you'd be like, what's this?
• 23:51
  I want to watch some more. I like this Lance thing, it
• 23:55
  reminds me of what they use for Babe in the Butcher uses, but it
• 23:58
  also reminds me of that bomb gun thing they'll use in the Five
• 24:01
  Doctors as well. Babe, she called me babe, you
• 24:04
  know, did you say a trick? They're going.
• 24:09
  Oh my God, it's getting so hot. It's terrible, bless him.
• 24:17
  I mean what is great though is obviously they use his badge,
• 24:21
  they use his maths and then he is the one that he does nearly
• 24:26
  save the. Day.
• 24:27
  In episode 3 it's only the fact that fucking sideman comes along
• 24:31
  and he has the precognition about the the console that's
• 24:37
  about to blow up because Matthew has clearly knows that's about
• 24:40
  to explode. You're right.
• 24:46
  Yeah, you're right. He does.
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  Can we come again? No, we can't blow it up again.
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  It'll do. No, we wasted a lot of money
• 24:56
  doing cool shit with the Cybermen.
• 24:57
  That's all you get. This as well, this fast dialogue
• 25:00
  where he's going. Will you explain to me what's
• 25:02
  going on, Adric? There's no time.
• 25:03
  We'll just explain it quickly and then it's back and forth,
• 25:06
  back and forth. This is how the 5th Doctor on
• 25:09
  Adric should have been throughout their entire run I
• 25:11
  think. Not all of this sort of bitching
• 25:14
  at each other and Adric betraying him every 5 minutes.
• 25:17
  I think they. Could they should be nerd best
• 25:19
  friends? Like him and Tom were.
• 25:22
  Him and Tom were like gangbusters.
• 25:26
  Like they, they, I guess they wanted this young kind of
• 25:29
  argumentative thing. But I could easily see this
• 25:33
  Doctor in him in one of the TARDIS kind of rooms kind of
• 25:38
  with the, you know, a whiteboard or chalkboard with mathematical
• 25:41
  equations all on it. And you can just have a quick
• 25:45
  scene of Adric going on. And you've got to change this
• 25:48
  here to A2. And then boom, now we can walk
• 25:51
  off to see what Tegan's bitching about before the tire just
• 25:53
  shakes again or something. You got that?
• 25:58
  Tegan blows up the side of man, I always.
• 26:02
  Describe it as her sliding across the floor to kill the
• 26:05
  side of man but. Oh look at this side.
• 26:08
  Man's bleeding green blood. It's more like coolant, isn't
• 26:12
  it? I mean, look at that.
• 26:14
  That's such a cool shot. Again, of all the soldiers.
• 26:16
  The smoke inside, man, it was dragging him away.
• 26:20
  So great. I don't know, like, I don't
• 26:24
  really get to say. Doctor Who looks cool.
• 26:26
  I'm enjoying it. Oh, this is right here.
• 26:28
  Look at that. Stuck in the wall and the way
• 26:31
  the camera sort of zoomed out from it as well, it does
• 26:34
  actually make it feel much more dynamic than it actually is.
• 26:38
  Yeah. He's worth his weight in gold.
• 26:40
  Grim way, I'll tell you. It's how it's shot, it's how
• 26:42
  it's done. Just it's like it just looks so
• 26:44
  cool. And the doctor did that.
• 26:47
  See. So like this Doctor Who doesn't
• 26:49
  use it. Oh.
• 26:50
  My God. He's clenched.
• 26:52
  Cyber clenched. And then he goes, Was it blow
• 26:57
  the doors? Now, the only unfortunate thing
• 27:01
  about that is it's clearly balsa wood, but never mind.
• 27:04
  Oh yeah, now look, they achieved the Han Solo carbonite thing
• 27:09
  with balsa wood, and I'm going to accept this as well.
• 27:13
  Do you remember I said to you in Episode 1, there was that
• 27:16
  incredible shot where the camera was coming through The Cave,
• 27:19
  through the smoke, and it was just a such a beautifully framed
• 27:22
  bit of direction. There's another one in a minute,
• 27:25
  right, where Scott and Tegan and that are going through the
• 27:27
  corridors and suddenly it's a long shot and all the Cybermen
• 27:31
  are coming in. It is so perfectly executed.
• 27:35
  That's what I think. That's what Greenway could have
• 27:37
  done. If he'd have had a million more
• 27:40
  and and loads more time. Every shot would have been
• 27:43
  crafted like that. Here's another one that had a
• 27:46
  falling out with like J&T, didn't he?
• 27:48
  Yeah. Bloody taking people out to
• 27:50
  lunch. J&T.
• 27:52
  He was a bit weak socially sometimes, wasn't he?
• 27:55
  I think I think Brimwade got, at least as a writer for me
• 28:00
  personally got better as he kept going.
• 28:03
  I think he's weakest this time. Flight Mordron is better and
• 28:07
  planet it's my. Favorite.
• 28:09
  Oh Mr. Ridgeway. Oh, dead.
• 28:13
  Oh, do you like the light as well?
• 28:14
  What is it? We mute again.
• 28:17
  And the and The thing is, he didn't deceive them.
• 28:20
  It was only because the doctor brought the extra soldiers on
• 28:23
  board that they thought, oh, they've lied about the numbers.
• 28:26
  And Seminole. Absolutely Seminole 5th Doctor
• 28:29
  scenes coming up now. The small unfortunate events are
• 28:32
  what life is all about. The sequence where the Cyber
• 28:35
  leader threatens to kill Tegan. These are some of the very best
• 28:39
  5th Doctor moments I think. Well, it's his way of doing
• 28:42
  that. You know, that kind of fear
• 28:45
  emotions thing that Hartnell does in 10th Planet.
• 28:50
  But bit more of a kind of a Davos spin.
• 28:53
  He's such a ham, the cyber leader, he goes, and so is
• 28:56
  destruction, which is exactly what we're going to do to that
• 29:00
  planet. Everything I hear about David
• 29:02
  Banks makes it sound like he's a gigantic teddy bear as well, so
• 29:06
  like, I've got a lot of time for.
• 29:07
  Those oh look bursting out of the silos.
• 29:09
  Here they come. You know a dude loves their role
• 29:14
  when they don't just play Cybermen.
• 29:17
  And the leader of the Cybermen, here we go.
• 29:20
  There's a fucking whole tape series and a whole and a book on
• 29:23
  cyber history that he made himself.
• 29:26
  This is that shot. Look at this shot.
• 29:28
  It is just perfectly. Of Tegan there, yeah.
• 29:32
  Everyone comes in at the right time, everyone scatters, the
• 29:35
  there's a crane that goes up. Yeah.
• 29:39
  Gorgeous and then look more and. You got kind of like shades of
• 29:44
  tumor Cybermen there with the. More bombs.
• 29:48
  I mean, this can't get any better Moon boots as well.
• 29:52
  I mean, come on. There's a bloody shoe shop that
• 29:55
  sold the fuck down the moon boots that week.
• 29:59
  And. You got the the high shots, you
• 30:03
  got the low shots, you've got the long shadows.
• 30:06
  You've got the bum shots, you've got everything.
• 30:10
  Oh my God. The doctor looks very panicked.
• 30:12
  And look, how are they? I mean right towards us.
• 30:15
  That cliffhanger is awesome, I love it.
• 30:18
  Well, not the fact that they're coming straight at the audience
• 30:21
  as well, you know? It's got to feel to me of like
• 30:24
  that kind of Daleks conquer and destroy ending, even though, you
• 30:27
  know, it's like 3 Daleks going around and around in friggin
• 30:30
  circles just the way they do it. Alex.
• 30:32
  Conquer and destroy, yeah. You know what that is?
• 30:34
  That's the rarest of things. You know, that's a fucking
• 30:37
  awesome episode 3. And usually that's just the
• 30:40
  runaround in it before the climax or the escape capture.
• 30:45
  Yeah, I can think of a like I think Frantios also has a pretty
• 30:48
  good episode 3 as well, because it's still unfolding.
• 30:51
  It's it's it's mystery and that. Wonderful and cliffhanger where
• 30:55
  the mining machine comes in. Oh, it's just a review his head.
• 30:59
  Yeah, yeah, look, the cameraman, his name just went past dude.
• 31:05
  I hope he went on to do some awesome stuff, IE more Doctor
• 31:08
  Who. That's what I mean.
• 31:13
  It's even rarer, I think, in that I think episode 1 was
• 31:18
  suspendful, episode 2 kept things moving, Episode 3 was
• 31:21
  better, and I think episode 4 is the best episode of all.
• 31:25
  Yeah, it is. It's very rare.
• 31:27
  I think Andrazani is another one.
• 31:29
  It's very rare to have a story where sequentially, every single
• 31:33
  episode gets better than the last.
• 31:36
  Yeah, no, it just it's just plumps.
• 31:42
  It's got the the fast, the fast pace and attention.
• 31:45
  Yeah, you, you are right. It's more word peril than world
• 31:48
  building, but the peril, the word peril does go somewhere.
• 31:54
  It builds to these Cybermen bursting out all these things
• 31:57
  and coming out in force and all this kind of stuff.
• 32:01
  And it's almost is what this might be.
• 32:06
  No, this is like the first I guess Davison base under siege
• 32:09
  story, I guess essentially, at least in the in the second-half.
• 32:13
  There's so much Doctor Who it it can get the world building right
• 32:17
  because it can build worlds with words.
• 32:19
  Yeah, but it doesn't really get the moment right because the
• 32:24
  reasons we've already talked about time, money, sometimes the
• 32:27
  competence of the director. This is just getting all the
• 32:30
  moments right, Right. It's getting so yours just so
• 32:34
  it's like live action. Do you know what I mean?
• 32:36
  You're there in it. The stars have aligned.
• 32:40
  Sorry, there's an election on and we need this space for the
• 32:42
  next two weeks. Then two weeks later, most of
• 32:46
  the stars have aligned. I guess we've got to go with
• 32:49
  this. Let's go.
• 32:50
  Yeah, we're still Pennant Roberts.
• 32:51
  They were going to be great even if we had an extra week.
• 32:56
  Dude, they had the extra time and they still come up with the
• 32:58
  merka? Come on, you.
• 33:02
  Know all out on a line about the merka.