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72 The Yowie Explained: Aboriginal Lore, Science, and Gary Opit’s Research · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And he actually was responsible for publicizing the name Yowie.
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  Speaker 1: Before then it was known as the Yahoo, or the
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  Speaker 1: Australian hairy Man or the Australian Gorilla.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to that Dubiter podcast. I'm your host Tim Franklin.
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  Speaker 2: Today we have on the wonderful mister Gary Open allway
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  Speaker 2: from the beautiful country of Australia to talk to us
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  Speaker 2: about Yaowe's. What are they, what the counter says he
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  Speaker 2: has and what information does he know about it? A
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  Speaker 2: little bit of you know, miscommunication. Wasn't supposed to be to
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  Speaker 2: day for me, but it's like he's a day ahead
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  Speaker 2: of me or something. I don't know. We'll figure it
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  Speaker 2: out for me either way. He was here waiting for
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  Speaker 2: me for a half hour. He graciously accepted to come
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  Speaker 2: on my show. If you have a story, you guys, experience,
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  Speaker 2: you have some research that you're doing, please contact me
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  Speaker 2: with all that out of the way, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to keep him any long. He's been waiting long enough,
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  Speaker 2: all the way from the great country of Australia. Mister
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  Speaker 2: Gary Opit, Hello, Hi sir. Like I said, once again,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry for the mistic communication. But what date is
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  Speaker 2: it for you? There? What time? What date is it?
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  Speaker 3: Look now, we are a day early.
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  Speaker 1: And when I got your email that said it's going
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  Speaker 1: it's are you ready for it for the interview tomorrow?
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  Speaker 1: And I got that yesterday yesterday evening sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: So I thought, oh, it's on tomorrow. And then when
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  Speaker 1: I went on backstage, I thought I'd better check my
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  Speaker 1: diary and I thought, oh, no, I'm a day early.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a day early.
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  Speaker 2: And so I was asking my buddy, Yeah, it happens,
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  Speaker 2: a friend. I was ever watching my buddy Austin uh
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  Speaker 2: with Austin has runs The Dead Sea, That Sea, the Dead,
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  Speaker 2: the Dead Chronicles across. I was watching this episode because
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  Speaker 2: I've been meaning to catch up on and watching all
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  Speaker 2: the way through. And I look at my email and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, Eric, Gary's I've really waiting
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  Speaker 2: on me. And I just powered up my computer real
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  Speaker 2: quick and you've seen me. You have my daughter plug
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  Speaker 2: it in lights and everything. But now we're here, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm so happy to yes, so happy to meet you. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Please do me a favorite. Could you introduce yourself to
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  Speaker 2: me as well as my audience and tell us a
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  Speaker 2: little bit about yourself and where we can find you.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so, yes, of course, my name is Gary Opit
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  Speaker 1: and uh, I'm coming to you from my office and
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  Speaker 1: uh and study in in New South Wales. This is
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  Speaker 1: northeast New South Wales in nearby and bay. Uh and
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  Speaker 1: so this is the extreme eastern tip of News of Australia.
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  Speaker 1: And for those unfamiliar with Australia, look here is that's
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  Speaker 1: if you can see, that's a map of Australia and
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  Speaker 1: I'm on the most easterly tip and this particular map
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  Speaker 1: shows all the territories of the original Australians, of course,
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  Speaker 1: the Australian First nation indigenous people. And of course it's
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  Speaker 1: traditional in Australia always to start any program interview or
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  Speaker 1: program by paying respect to the in this locality, it's
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  Speaker 1: bunge a lung land and so we always start a
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  Speaker 1: program paying respect to bunge of lung elders past, present
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  Speaker 1: and emerging.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And we live and this is just from a book,
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  Speaker 1: a long time, very old book called the As you
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  Speaker 1: can see the Australian Aborigines and that and we live
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  Speaker 1: close to the most important bungee lung ceremonial site where
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  Speaker 1: bunge lung law traditionally was created. And so our property here,
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  Speaker 1: it's a six acre property. It's sitting within a thousand
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  Speaker 1: hectares of undisturbed Australian bush land beautiful and with six
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  Speaker 1: kilometers of which is about what three or four miles
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  Speaker 1: of undisturbed wilderness beach. So coming from the Coral Sea
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  Speaker 1: uh and uh yeah and so and we're just surrounded
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  Speaker 1: by forest. And we actually have yaoi's living around us,
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  Speaker 1: two different species, the tiny.
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  Speaker 3: Species and a u huge species.
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  Speaker 1: And we also have other cryptosiological animals animals that never
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  Speaker 1: been classified and including the marsupial dog or thyla scene
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  Speaker 1: or Tasmanian tiger or marsupial tiger muscuel wolf.
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  Speaker 2: You still think they exist there in your area, yes,
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  Speaker 2: or indeed yes.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, I've seen three of them near the and
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  Speaker 1: these ones were all black and about the size of
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  Speaker 1: a leopard, and one of them i'd like to look
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  Speaker 1: at for about five for five minutes from about ten
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  Speaker 1: meters away in my head lights. But it's very rare
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  Speaker 1: to observe any of these animals because they have large
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  Speaker 1: foraging territories, and so it's only once a decade you
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  Speaker 1: might actually see one if you're very lucky that I've
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  Speaker 1: collected many reports. So I'm an environmental consultant. So I've
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  Speaker 1: spent I'm seventy seven years old now, so I've spent
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  Speaker 1: my life in the southeastern Queensland northeastern New South Wales,
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  Speaker 1: and I was working as a National Park ranger and
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  Speaker 1: working in wildlife parks, and so for some years I
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  Speaker 1: was a koala handler, breeding koalas, and every day my
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  Speaker 1: work was holding koalas and placing koalas on people and
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  Speaker 1: taking photographs of them holding koalas an Australian tradition, especially
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  Speaker 1: like for young people, and telling them all about koalas
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  Speaker 1: and wildlife. And I've been since nineteen sixty five involved
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  Speaker 1: in the conservation. I was a founding member of the
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  Speaker 1: Willer Preservation Society of Queensland, Gold Coast branch where I lived,
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  Speaker 1: Gold Coast and Service. Paradise is a large city, small
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  Speaker 1: compared to European and American cities. And then for the
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  Speaker 1: last sort of a few decades, i'ven't been undertaking fauna
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  Speaker 1: and flora surveys and ecological assessments for local government departments
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  Speaker 1: and state government departments, National Parks and Wildlife Service and
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  Speaker 1: for private individuals. And for the last twenty eight years,
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  Speaker 1: I've had my own wildlife identification radio program on the
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  Speaker 1: Australian Broadcast Corporations, which is a government funded leik. We
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  Speaker 1: call it the ABC Australian Broadcasting Corporations Radio Station ninety
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  Speaker 1: four point five FM, which is North Coast wild Radio station.
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  Speaker 3: It only goes for about ten minutes.
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  Speaker 1: I used to get about half an hour, but now
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  Speaker 1: it's on just once a week on a Saturday morning,
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  Speaker 1: and I have to instant the identify by every species
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  Speaker 1: of mammal, bird, reptile, amphibian or invertebrate, because that's what
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  Speaker 1: my work is in. You know, every day be out
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  Speaker 1: in the forests by myself in remote localities, identifying the
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  Speaker 1: animals and the plants. And I spent two years living
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  Speaker 1: in New Guinea seventy three before I was living with
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  Speaker 1: hunters that had never seen a white man before, and
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  Speaker 1: I was the first white man to enter an area.
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  Speaker 1: Often that the people would run screaming because they thought
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  Speaker 1: I was some sort of a monster or a ghost
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  Speaker 1: or something. And then they would realize I was one
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  Speaker 1: of those that of white men that they'd heard of,
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  Speaker 1: and they may be a warrior of the tribe. And
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  Speaker 1: they'd blackened me with in Greece and charcoal, and I'd
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  Speaker 1: be taking part in all kinds of rituals and mine
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  Speaker 1: a warfare. We had bows and arrows and spears facin
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  Speaker 1: which I still got all of that stuff. And then yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and then I did the first foreigner surveys for the
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  Speaker 1: National Parks in New Guinea, the first ecological assessment for
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  Speaker 1: the as a first part the Elector on Ecology at
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  Speaker 1: the New Guinea University. It's really remote. New Guinea courses
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  Speaker 1: a large island, the largest tropical island on Earth north
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  Speaker 1: of Australia, part of Australia until the seas rose eight
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  Speaker 1: thousands years ago. Or so and disconnected to New Guinea
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  Speaker 1: and Tasmania from Australia. And then I spent one and
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  Speaker 1: a half years all through Southeast Asia in the middle
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  Speaker 1: seventies before tourism sprung up, and I did the first
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  Speaker 1: foreigner survey for all Malaysia National parks and I've seen
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  Speaker 1: most of.
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  Speaker 3: The wildlife.
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  Speaker 2: There.
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  Speaker 1: And in Australia, I've spent a lot of time all
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  Speaker 1: over Australia, living for one and a half years at
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  Speaker 1: a time, camping out through really remote areas of Australia
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  Speaker 1: with the family before the kids started school.
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  Speaker 2: That's wonderful.
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  Speaker 3: And that's been six ellons are up to nineteen eighty.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a quick overview of that's you're in line.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of the thylacine, you would think I think I
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  Speaker 2: was watching. I am actually quite interested in the Tasmanian
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  Speaker 2: tiger or the thilazine. It's just one of those animals
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  Speaker 2: that I just enjoy, you know, the old there's a
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  Speaker 2: video like the last like you know, authenticated video is
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  Speaker 2: like from the like nineteen thirties, yes, and it was
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  Speaker 2: in a park somewhere and there's been sightings and I
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  Speaker 2: think that the true noses of where you can probably
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  Speaker 2: find these animals would probably be Papua New Guinea because
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  Speaker 2: of its remoteness, because of its lack of human population.
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  Speaker 2: And what would you say to.
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  Speaker 1: That, Oh, yes, definitely, So I've I've uh spent a
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  Speaker 1: lot of time because you know, in my line of work,
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  Speaker 1: I'm always asking people what while the wildlife they've seen,
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  Speaker 1: and particularly asking if they've seen rare animals. So we
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  Speaker 1: have this wonderful group of carnivorous marsupials that include the
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  Speaker 1: Tasmanian tiger or thylacine, also the Tasmanian devil.
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  Speaker 3: And then you have.
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  Speaker 1: For four or five species of quolls, which look a
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  Speaker 1: bit like spotted civets, slightly resembling cats about cats. And
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  Speaker 1: then there's very large numbers of of of very small
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  Speaker 1: carnivorous marsupials called anti kindness uh and and they're similar
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  Speaker 1: to the size of small rats and some of brush
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  Speaker 1: tailed fasca gales. So we have a unique fauna here.
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  Speaker 1: And and then of course you have all the herbivorous
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  Speaker 1: marsupials uh well, now like the koala, kangaroo, wombats and
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  Speaker 1: and and possums are holler possums and gliding possums and
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  Speaker 1: and the interesting fauna is related to the South Americans. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: the long largest one greater gliders beat along.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm actually I'm actually located on the you can
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  Speaker 2: have U could have peninsula of of Central America in Mexico.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, that's me many years ago.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a gliding possum, yellow belly gliding possum on
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  Speaker 1: my shoulder in that picture there, So that's what I'm gliding.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, beautiful. Yes, yes, yes, there's a like I was
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  Speaker 2: telling you I was. I'm here in Central America in
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  Speaker 2: the Yucatan, and we have the color Moul Nature Reserve.
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  Speaker 2: I actually have property where I found jaguar prints. We
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  Speaker 2: have kowates here and a lot of I've seen kawate's,
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  Speaker 2: I've seen I've heard howler monkeys, and I've seen spider monkeys.
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  Speaker 2: And me coming from the States and then living in
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  Speaker 2: Europe for a number of years and being here for
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  Speaker 2: the last three years. Uh, people just don't know how
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  Speaker 2: incredible it is to see animals that are outside of
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  Speaker 2: their sphere of understanding. And we all know that Australia
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  Speaker 2: is such an odd because of its separation, and you
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  Speaker 2: know if you use the interior evolution and its separation
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  Speaker 2: being an island away even when the even when the
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  Speaker 2: water was down doing the last ice age or excuse me, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: down during the last ice Age, there was still a
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  Speaker 2: separation where they probably couldn't cross it. There's that that
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  Speaker 2: just like the Clapagos Islands, there's this isolation which things
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  Speaker 2: get larger, they get more spiky, they get more venomous,
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  Speaker 2: and uh, it's just I love that. What can you
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  Speaker 2: tell me about the Yahui? What is it? What do
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  Speaker 2: you know about it? Have you cited it? What is it?
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  Speaker 2: What is it about this creature? Because it only recently
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  Speaker 2: came into my purview? Uh, that they even existed? What
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  Speaker 2: can you tell me about that? Sir?
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  Speaker 1: So the how we first was encountered in the early
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  Speaker 1: days of British settlement. So that happened in seventeen eighty
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  Speaker 1: eight when a fleet of eleven ships left the United
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  Speaker 1: Kingdom and sailed to Australia and set up in Sydney Harbor.
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  Speaker 1: And they named Sydney after one of the one of
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  Speaker 1: the officials back in England, I forget who he was, And.
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  Speaker 3: They set up.
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  Speaker 1: They brought about seven hundred convicts criminals, people that had
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  Speaker 1: committed very minor offenses, you know, that didn't involve the
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  Speaker 1: death penalty obviously, so they weren't murderers or whatever. They
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  Speaker 1: are usually people that you know, very minor thieves or
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  Speaker 1: what have you. And they set up the first colony
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  Speaker 1: and in Sydney Harbor at Circular Key. And then of
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  Speaker 1: course the Gamillrooy people and other tribal people had been
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  Speaker 1: living there for about eighty thousand years and so the
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  Speaker 1: first nations Australian people are incredibly ancient, had the longest
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  Speaker 1: living undisturbed culture, and of course they're still here today.
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  Speaker 1: They were devastated by a small pox and other diseases
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  Speaker 1: exactly the same thing that occurred in North and South
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  Speaker 1: America where Europeans arrived and accidentally introduced the pig disease,
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  Speaker 1: which is small pox.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, because they didn't keep they didn't keep livestock,
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  Speaker 2: so they had they had no immunity where we were
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  Speaker 2: getting these livestock diseases, and when they came over, they
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  Speaker 2: didn't they didn't do that, so for them it was
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  Speaker 2: devastating us.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. And then of course, and then the
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  Speaker 1: settlers of course were murdering the locals. Just the same
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  Speaker 1: thing has happened in North and South America, of course,
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  Speaker 1: exactly the same situation colonization, but however eventually relatively recently,
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  Speaker 1: only in the last few decades. I mean, of course
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  Speaker 1: it's been we've been a federation at the conwalls of
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  Speaker 1: Australia since nineteen hundred and one, but the Aboriginal people
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  Speaker 1: were only made citizens of the country in their own
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  Speaker 1: country in about nineteen sixty seven. Because the Europeans, of course,
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  Speaker 1: is typical with European colonization, they had a wide Australian
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  Speaker 1: policy where you were if you weren't from England basically
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  Speaker 1: or Europe, you weren't welcome in the country, even if
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  Speaker 1: you if your homeland where you'd live for something like
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  Speaker 1: eighty thousand years. But anyway, things have changed with the
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  Speaker 1: education and understanding and u and now we're you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're extremely fond and love traditional people and that's the
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  Speaker 1: way it should be all over the world, because we're
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  Speaker 1: a single species and within one or two million meters
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  Speaker 1: beneath our skin, you can't tell one one person from another.
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  Speaker 2: We're really absolutely absolutely my golfriend, my girlfriend herself is
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  Speaker 2: Mayan Mayan like may and my own.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I've seen the Mayan crystal Michael Hedges
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  Speaker 1: crystal skull uh that was brought to Australia and yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: quite a remarkable.
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  Speaker 2: It's an incredible place. It's an incredible place, my friend.
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  Speaker 2: If you ever, if you ever find a chance to
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  Speaker 2: come on over, you can come on over and I'll
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  Speaker 2: hook you up with a good hotel and you can
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  Speaker 2: go out and look at some of the pyramid sites
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  Speaker 2: around here.
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  Speaker 3: You know, yeah, you love to do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So back to the Yawi, the the first illustration of
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  Speaker 1: it might have it here because so what happened. The
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  Speaker 1: Yawi wasn't known as the Yawi until the nineteen seventies,
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  Speaker 1: until the first cryptozoologists in Australia. Rex and Heather Gilroy
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  Speaker 1: Natural History Private Natural History Museum's direct was particularly interest
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  Speaker 1: in entomology and butterfly collections, et cetera. And he set
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  Speaker 1: up these little museums and people paid a minor admission
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  Speaker 1: to them, and.
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  Speaker 3: He began to receive.
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  Speaker 1: Large numbers of reports from many rural people who had
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  Speaker 1: encountered animals that they that they were unable to identify.
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  Speaker 1: And because he became extremely interested in this, and then
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  Speaker 1: con I met him at his museum and I talked
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  Speaker 1: about the encounters that I had. And this is several
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  Speaker 1: decades ago. Rex unfortunately has passed away, but his Heather,
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  Speaker 1: that his wife, Heathers still living in the original Blue
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  Speaker 1: Mountains home west of Sydney. And so it was Rex
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  Speaker 1: Gilroy who really publicized the fact that we have an
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  Speaker 1: enormous unknown animal in Australia, and he actually was responsible
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  Speaker 1: for publicizing the name Yowie. Before then, it was known
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  Speaker 1: as the Yahoo, or the Australian hairy man, or the
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  Speaker 1: Australian gorilla. It's a very gorilla like animal, but it's
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  Speaker 1: also very very much like the sasquatch or.
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  Speaker 3: A bigfoot.
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  Speaker 1: It's probably the same species and probably the same species
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  Speaker 1: as the Yetti and the yerin and all of these
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  Speaker 1: other unclassified bipedal primates you know, probably hominins or maybe
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  Speaker 1: maybe hominis. It's had they know if they are actually
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  Speaker 1: an other species of human, but they seem to most
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  Speaker 1: resemble that that species Gigantipithecus Blackie. I only know and
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  Speaker 1: from a few teeth and a jaw or so from China.
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  Speaker 1: So we've got no physical evidence of it. But so
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  Speaker 1: I'll show you the very first printed illustration of it,
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  Speaker 1: which is nineteen twelve, and this is from my book
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  Speaker 1: Australian Cryptozoology. Is that I just self published and sold
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  Speaker 1: at conferences, at cryptosological conferences.
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  Speaker 2: Your favorite. Have you sent me to your links, sir?
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  Speaker 2: Have you sent me all your links to your books
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  Speaker 2: and your things like that? Have you sent me those yet?
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  Speaker 1: Is it available as an ebook on Amazon? And I
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  Speaker 1: haven't really, I haven't really publicized that because I've been
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  Speaker 1: working on a much more detailed a new book called
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  Speaker 1: Shocking Encounters in the Australian Bush. Because I'm because I
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  Speaker 1: published that self published in you know, twenty years ago,
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  Speaker 1: and then I've had so many more reports since, particularly
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  Speaker 1: from my radio show. That's where most of my reports
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  Speaker 1: have come from. So that's the book that's available on
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  Speaker 1: and that's that's a life drawn from life from a
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  Speaker 1: Yowie researcher. But I never Pixie Burns, And that's the
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  Speaker 1: that's the book. That's the picture of me holding one
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  Speaker 1: of the few plaster casts we have of the animal,
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  Speaker 1: taken a few years ago. And so, and this is
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  Speaker 1: the first illustration published in the newspaper in the Sydney
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  Speaker 1: Sun newspaper nineteen twelve.
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  Speaker 3: And so you can see.
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  Speaker 1: That's what it looks like and down to its feet.
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  Speaker 1: So that's a really amazing illustration of it and this
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: and this animal. So it was seen by a surveyor
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: and it's it was seen by a surveyor who was
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: surveying land in very remote areas. And this the hairy
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Man or Australian guerrilla or Yahoo. And it was called
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: the Yahoo because it often vocalized calling out yeahhoo, yeahoo.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Sounds like an overzealous American in the Australia. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And of course any one that saw it as a
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: very shy animal. And it's mainly nocturnal, but it's occasionally
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: encountered in the daytime. It seemed to have a very
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  Speaker 1: large territory. And the first the first encounter, a published encounter,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: was in a book published in eighteen twenty seven and
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: it was called the Puddican. The local people, indigenous people
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: called it the Puddican and they said it was a
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: big human like a hairy animal that only came out
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: at night and occasionally bellowed, and that only lived in
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: the most steepest and inaccessible escarpments, because in Australia we
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: have enormous mountain range is not very high, but it's
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: extremely rugged and it's called the Great Dividing Ray. It's
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: all sandstone. It's about three hundred million years old and
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I think I think it's Triassic from the memory. And
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: it runs it's only like something like one hundred kilometers
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  Speaker 1: inland from Sydney and runs right along the coast, goes
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: all the way out almost up to Cape York Peninsula.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: It goes inland and then moves back towards the coast
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: in places, et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: And it's all plateaus.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: So it's not like a mountain range in North America
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: or other places South America with snowcapped mountains, peak mountains
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: tops or anything. It's an elevated ocean ocean floor that's
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: been raised up and so it's plateaus of sandstone, similar
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: to those plateaus that you have in North in South
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: America where the Lost World book by Arthur Connon bought
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Oil was based, where you had these plateaus with flats,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: flat tops and then sheer escarpments and gullies and so yeah,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: it's very rugged and very in fertile and its covered
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: in eucalyptus forest, unique Australian forest, and so I was
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: almost completely inaccessible, more accessible these days, and of course
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: that's where this animal was most likely seen. And as
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: you get down south of that, it gets colder, of course,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: and we get the snowy mountains, and so that's where
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of encounters were made, and on the south coast,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and so while south of Sydney, because that's where most
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: number of the British and European settlers were setting up
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: and they were logging and mining, and then they would
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: encounter this through enormous animal. And that particular one that
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I just showed the illustration, the men were sitting around
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: a campfire with their dogs, group of surveyors camping out
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: in the forest, and this animal came bellowing towards them
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: and stood in the campfire for several minutes bellowing at
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: them and looking at them, and then turned and then
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: it ran off on its full legs. So it's the
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: thing an interesting things. It moves very fast and it
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: can travel on its on its hind legs or it's bipedal,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: so it's bipedle, but it's also quadrupedal. So it can
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: travel very fast, but it's harmless, which is why it's unknown.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: It's like that, it's like the Bigfoot or sasquatch or
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: all of these animals. I know some people have gone
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: missing and they may have been killed by a big
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: roague mail or a territorial mail or something or other.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: But basically the animals are harmless. And the early reports
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: in the Australian newspapers, particularly regional newspapers all through the
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: nineteenth century, uh, many of the reports said that it
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: was that it was completely harmless, that that people would
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: encounter it and then it would mate turn and run
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: for its.
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  Speaker 3: Life, or their dogs would chase it off.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting and of course if an animal is dangerous, we
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: know all about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, especially in that time period you know economic
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: speak from North America. You know, we're like, you know,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: the wolves and stuff, and they just like, you know,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: they're like they're dangerous and they just whish they were
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: from what I knew, and they kind of just you know,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: took their whole down. I mean, there only existed naturally
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: when I was born, like in Canada. They reinduced, reintroduced
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: into certain areas and things like that. It's interesting that
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: they can also leave be uh quadrupedal. I can think
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: that's the right word. Yeah, because there there's uh, there's
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: cases of you know, the bigfoot here. They they called
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: it a spider crawl where they can get down on
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: all fours and to move and they're just as fast
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: and as agile. And they also see they say it
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: moves and such a fluid motion that it also seems
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  Speaker 2: unreal that it can cost like a space of ten
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: like ten meters or so and like three steps. It's
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: quite interesting that I don't know if for sure or not.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: You would know better than I would. I've heard that
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: the Yali was more aggressive. What you're telling me is
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: the opposite.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Yes, no, it's not aggressive.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Otherwise, like there's not a single report of anyone being killed,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: but there has been the odd rumor, you know, someone
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: was killed but it was hushed up or something or other.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: But that's probably that's probably not real because see what's
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: happened us Europeans. And I'm like third generation Australian. So
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: my ancestors were Scottish, a Northern European and they came
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: out in sailing ships in the eighteen hundreds. They were
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: very adventurous, you know they were, and they were farmers
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: and they.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Were how it had to be. That's a long way.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: And on my father's side, they migrated from Northern Europe
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: to Turkey. At a tailor shop in Turkey. They migrated
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: then to New York, had a tailor shop in New York,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: and then migrated to London, had a tailor shop in England,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: somewhere in London, and they migrated to Sydney. And my
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: grandparents were born in Sydney and married in nineteen thirteen,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: and then my parents were born here. But of course
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I'm third generation Australian, and you can only non indigenous
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: people only go back say maybe six generations or seven
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: at the most or something now. But of course the
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: true Australians have been here for something like eighty thousand years.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: And of course so.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: All the different language groups in Australia, they are very
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: similar to everywhere else in the world with indigenous people,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: and they know what the animal very well that we
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: call the yowie, and they have their own names for them.
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  Speaker 1: In this area it's it's it's cherrawara and further south
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  Speaker 1: it's do La Gale. Put it In is another name
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: as names from all across Australia, and it lives right
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: across Australia.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: And we've got interesting reports that have come from like in.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: North western the Kimberley region of Australia, and of course
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: and a little bit about the Australian continent. On the
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: east coast, it's it's wet, so we have wet forests.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: We have the world's tallest flowering plants, these giant eucalyptus
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: or gum trees, Eucalyptus trees that reach a height of
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: the same height as the as the Californian redwoods in
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: a threeat Yeah, most of the biggest one to a
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: long long time ago, of course, as is normal. And
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: then as you go further west, it's drier. But we
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: don't have any deserts like in the Sahara or something.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: The deserts and then they're quite unlike the American deserts.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: We don't have any adive cactis or anything. We have
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the deserts are thickly vegetated with ground covers of spinifex
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: grass and eucalypse and wattles or are cases and a
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: whole array of other unique Australian plants and the yaw
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: he lives right across them, and so there's reports. There's
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: one interesting report from northwestern Australia. I think they were
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: prospectors and they shot they shot an Australian gorilla and
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: had to look at it, and now they had this
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: enormous thing that looked very much like a bigfoot.
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  Speaker 3: But the other interesting thing is that.
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  Speaker 1: After that illustration that I showed you, that was published
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: in nineteen twelve in the Sydney Sun newspaper, and you
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: notice this animal described it has got very large canines,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: which is unusual for a bigfoot or sascotch. I don't
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: think they normally have caneroes. Mostly the animals that have
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: been seen don't have those large teeth, but that might
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: have been some sort of an abnormality.
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  Speaker 3: You don't know.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: But there was one letter received where the gentleman that
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: wrote the letters to the newspaper stated that that animal,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: which they just simply called the Bombara anthropoid because they
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: didn't quite know what it was, or gorilla, native gorilla.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: They have it in the Hawksby River area.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: And about twenty people have heard it calling, and several
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: people have had encounters with it and three of them,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: three of the people said that it had a pouch
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: with a baby in its pouches. Wow, yeah, and he
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: believed that it was a marsupial man. Now, but now
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: that's the only that's the only report we ever received.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: So we don't really know what's going on because we
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: have no positive evidence that the animal exists, and we
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: still don't really have DNA. And of course most Australians
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: that don't may have heard of the awi, but they're
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: you know, they're not really interested in in the wildlife
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: or the bush land because like the rest of the world,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: most of the Australians now are suburbans, you know, they
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: live in their suburbs, just like everywhere else. And there's
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: a lot less people in the countryside.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Australia.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Yes, and Australia's.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Quite a fertile country, though not as fertile as North
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: America and Europe and Eurasia and stuff, because we never
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: had an the ice ages here because we're too far
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: from the poles, because the northern sort of one quarter
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: of Australia say, is actually in the tropics, and so
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: southern Australia is still temperate like we and so we
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: never had ice ages, so we never had ice sheets,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: and so unlike the northern half of the of the
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: of the planet, where the ice sheets ground all the
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: rock into really fine soil and also carved big hollows
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: everywhere and then evaporated, and they've got great soil and lakes,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: freshwater lakes everywhere, and so you've got the perfect environment
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: for a civilization because you've got good agriculture, because you've
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: got plenty of water and fertile soils. Australia's got very
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: has never had that, so it's very ancient soils. The
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: continent's very very sort of ancient pristine condition.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: It's like a time council of sorts, it.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Is, indeed.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: And the animals and plants are incredibly ancient. And as
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I said before they come, the animals are related to
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: the South American animals as long as well as the plants,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: and also from Africa and so.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: And so they're all ancient gon Juan and plants.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: And the Australian continents moving north at about six centimeters
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: a year, and as the ice ages came on, Australia
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: was drifting north. So the climates never changed in Australia.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: So we have the most ancient some of the most
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: ancient animals on Earth. We have the lungfish, completely in
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: about three hundred and fifty million years, still living in
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: two freshwater rivers in a relatively dry continent. We have
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: the platypus and the echidna, the last of the monitories,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: which are egg laying mammals, absolutely amazing animals that dominated
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: the world for seventy million years before the age of
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: the dinosaurs, and we've got fossils of those. They lived
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: with the dinosaurs, the platypus and the kidney, you know,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: they lived with the dinosaurs for sixty million years before
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: the dinosaurs went extinct, so we've got fossils then for
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty million years. And then of course
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: the marsupials. And the interesting thing about the marsupials, they
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: often thought to be more primitive, but they're actually more
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: advanced than we are. Yeah, the marsupials, placentals, Eutherians, we
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: are a more primitive family of mammals, warm blooded animals
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: which were being hunted into extinction by the dinosaurs, and
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: particularly in North America. Because paniontology had discovered that there
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: was huge numbers of marsupials and small numbers of placentals,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: And the reason for that was that mastupiels, like us
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: placentals or Eutherians, we developed the ability of keeping the
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: eggs inside the womb and then giving birth to a
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: live young. But the only problem was that with that
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: was was that you were then lumbered with a large
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: young one, you know, both in the womb and following you,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: clinging to you or whatever. And so it made it
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: easy for you to be predated upon by you know,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: all the dinosaurs. And of course the place was full
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: of small.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Is there also a longer development process for.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And so the marsupils are our avolve the more
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: advanced method where they would keep the the the embryo
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: in the in the womb until it was the best
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: possible time to give birth, when there was the most
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: amount of food and nutrition available, and then they give
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: birth a very tiny young so if anything happened, I
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: didn't lose very much energy. And then you kept the
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: young in a pouch so you can take the young
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: one with you. And then of kangaroos in particular most
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: advanced animals on the earth, because they don't use any
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: energy when they're moving because they're hopping or bouncing, and bouncing.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: When you bounce, you're not using any energy because you're
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: absorbing energy every time you hit. So you can travel
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: long distances very rapidly by jumping, much more efficient movement
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: than running. And of course the reason where successful as
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: human beings because where bipeds is being bipedal is more
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: efficient movement than quadrupeds because if you're four legged, you
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: use a lot more energy. You can run faster, so
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: like a cheeta or a lion or any large predator
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: or horses and cattle and sheep and antelopes and everything else,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: but you use up energy quickly, whereas if you're on
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: two legs, you use energy more efficiently. And that's why
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: the dinosaurs are able to take over because they evolved
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: by pedal locomotion in the very early days and four
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: and two legged is better than four legged when you're
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: moving about, uh, And so that's why dinosaurs dominated the
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: world for a one hundred and thirty something million years.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: And then now we're roosing up onto our hind legs,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: you know, so two or three million years ago, whatever,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: a million years ago, whatever it was, and and so
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: we're being able to dominate the world because we're bipedle And.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Of course then we developed our large brains and and the.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Ability to grasp things maybe predict predict the future a
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: little bit farther out, and things developed sal cortex.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I think, what what could happen? And remember nature always
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: bats last, you know, and what we think in our
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: minds is pure delude. You know, we make models of
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: reality around us. But we could follow the line of dinosaurs.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: The same thing could happen, you know, millions of years
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: into the feuture, which is unimaginable, but so you can
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: come back several million years later and find that humans
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: have evolved into a whole array of animals that now dinosaurs.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm here for it.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Makes like humans and yeah, well we're here for it.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Whether we want to or not, you know what I mean, Like,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: who knows, maybe there's little those little toes or eventually
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: become flippers over we're out there and we're the best swimmers. Again,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: it's just very interesting that that the I'm sorry, it's
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: one of those kind of shows where I just because
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: it's such I enjoy uh, you know, for abat lack
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: of a better term crypto zoology. Even even the duck
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: fil platypus was a cryptoid until it was discovered or
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: not discovered but rediscovered however you want to call it
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: whatever terminology you want to use. And it's just like
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: have you I guess my question would be mister, like,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: have you had any personal encounters or do you interview
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: people or people?
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, many.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: So my first encounter was a National Park rangeer in
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one up in Lamington National Park. So it's
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: the remains of a twenty million year old volcano. I
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: think it is the largest volcanic cooldera in the Southern
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Hemisphere on otherwise flat coastal land. And it was all
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: covered in sub tropical rainforests, ancient Gondwana rainforests that came
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: from near the South Pole originally when Australia was much
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: further south. And it's all a national park because it
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: was too rugged and wild to settle and clear for farming,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: because there was plenty of eucalyptus covered grasslands that were
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: perfect for raising sheep and cattle and what have you
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: and growing crops, and so it was made a national
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: park and I was there at nineteen seven one and
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: as a ranger and a very remote area of course,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: but road obviously up to it and the guesthouse called
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: the Aarriileys Guesthouse. And then something began banging on the
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: walls of the cabin that we had a little cabin,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: you know, it was like a three bedroom timber house,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: and we just had a fuel stove. We didn't have
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: we had an electric light. There was no powerpoints. We
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: were just a single electrical line running up to the
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: to the rangers quarters. And so we had a kerosene fridge.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: And because in nineteen seventy one we just had axes,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: we didn't have a chainsaw, and our job mainly was
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: to walk the tracks and maintain them and taking an
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: axe with us and any trees that had fallen across
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: the tracks, we then would spend the day cutting through
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: the tracks with an axle. It was a good axemen.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: And of course there's rainforest, so there's millions upon millions
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: of trees. You know, some of them can be two
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: or three meters in diameter, you know, it's like twelve
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: foot in diameter, but most of them are only like
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: three or four feet in diameter. Say a meter or
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: so and a lot less and so many smaller trees
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: falling across the tracks, and so then then something the
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: next thing, something was heard underneath the cottage because it
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: was it was built on a slope, so it was
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: on a ridge top and surrounded by rainforest except in
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: the front where the road was. And so the front
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: of the house was leveled with the road and the
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: ground and just back, you know, about about twenty feet
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: from the road, but the ground dropped down and so
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: it was like two stories at the bottom at the
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: at the back of the house. But it was built
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: on large pillars or stumps, timber stumps. So we had
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: a section under the house where we kept our tools,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: and that was also where the laundry was and where
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: and the bathroom where you'd shower.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: And then we had a.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Toilet, a little timber toilet with a drop pit behind
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: the house, and of course we'd cut timber. And then
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: to heat the to have hot water, we had a
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: copper bowl in the backyard and we'd light a fight
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: fire under that and it would burn for an hour
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: and heat the water. So we could have you know,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: a shower and showers for three or four ranges and
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: he had a big iron stove inside, big big metal
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: cast iron stove, and we'd have a fire in that
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: and we'd always have a fire burning inside the and
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: then helped you get your hot water for a cup
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: of tea or a coffee, and you cook your food
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: on top of the iron stavee. So we had a
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: huge pile, a big pile of timber, a stack of
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: timber for burning. And anyway, something through this is in
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: pitch blackness. Something threw all the tools out from under
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: the house, and then it destroyed the wood pile, and
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: it pulled timber steaks that will say six feet in
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: length that were sledge hammered, you know, two or three
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: feet into the ground that held up the whole structure,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: pulled them out and there were several of those that
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: pulled out, and then just threw all the timber all
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: over the place.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: And that was in pitch dark.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: We didn't discover that even until the next morning, and
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: we had to rebuild and put the tools away, and
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: we couldn't work out what had done it, like we
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: were digging some kind of ghost or polter iced or whatever.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: But but.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: There was this, there was knowing that that there was
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: believe there was.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Some unknown big animal, you know, and it was generally
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: known as a bunyip, the mountain bunyip.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: And the O'Reilly.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: I asked the O'Riley, do you know have some big animal,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: because it's like something with hands, unless it was some
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: sort of paranormal event and that you know, poltergeists and
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: things like that, they're not that destructive and so h Anyway,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: it was a complete mystery until the Oriley said, yeah,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: that Bernard O'Reilly the main's chap running the guesthouse, which
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: was only like one hundred meters up the road from us,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: and that was the end of the road for the rest.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: It was all rainforest wilderness all around us. Uh, he
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: had been followed by an animal and he backtrack trying
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: to find it.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: He never ever saw it.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: They often had these horrendous screams coming at them from
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: an escarpment where they camped because they had their grazed cattle,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: and they book the cattle, and then they'd take cream
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: on an all day journey down the civilization to sell
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: the cream to get a bit of money. And then
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: you know, they also brought people up and as a
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: guest house to try to earn a bit of money
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: in this remote location that they cleared and settled before
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: it turned in to a national park. So it wasn't
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: until about half a dozen years later before in nineteen
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: seventy five, if I was in a very remote location
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: in deep in the rainforest as usual, always exploring the
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: rainforest by myself, just on a day's walk, trackless rainforest
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: on the east eastern side of Springbrook, which is a
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: mountain a plateau closer to to the coast and to
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: the Gold Coast and the Lamington National Park on the
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Lamington bought arrangesment Ferston rangers and I had an animal
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: roaring at me, roaring like a lion, and because we
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: don't have any lions, and that was strange. And then
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: a couple of years later the head ranger up in
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: up in Springbrook, gentleman of a Percy Percy window, he
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: had a face to face encounter with this animal for
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: about ten.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Minutes and.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he heard he was He had his axe with
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: him because you know, that was the usual job was
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: to walk the tracks and cut down and cut away
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: any any trees that had fallen across the walking tracks.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Going to a lookout. Best of all lookouts for the tourists,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: and he suddenly and he heard this grunting noise and
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: he snuck up to see, thinking a pig was loose
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: in the park, a wild pig or someone's domestic pig,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: and he came face to face with this animal that
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: was about, you know, something like seven foot high or
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: eight feet high, and it looked exactly like a gorilla
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: as far as he was concerned, with a black, shiny
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: face and big yellow eyes. And they are only like
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: three meters apart, like you know, about six seven, eight nine,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: ten feet apart. And he said they stood staring at
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: each other for ten minutes and they then it just
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: turned and walked away, and because unaggressive, and there was
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: quite a few encounters over the years on Springbrook.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: And so then.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Now I spent most of my life in really promote
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: areas and I never encountered anything. And I was very
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: skeptical to begin with because I was thinking, well, I
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: haven't seen anything, and the animal is definitely not a
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: herbivore like a gorilla, because if they were a herbivore
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: is easy to see because they're forced to consum large
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: amounts of vegetable. Yes, they've got a deficate, you know,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: and so there was no sign of herbivorous animal wandering around,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: but the carnivorous animal is altogether different. But then I
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: discovered that there was Like when I was living on
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Tambourine Mountain, the neighbor were telling me that there was
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: some unknown predator feeding on the small kangaroos called paddy melons.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: And then one night I had an astounding series of
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: howls and not really hows, but roars bellows that went
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: for about five minutes. It sounded like, heyyy is really
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: bellowing roaring sounds? And we have we don't have wolves.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: We have dingos, which are distantly related to Asian wolves
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: and Asian wild dogs. They are introduced around about three
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: or fourth thousand years ago by Mcassan traders trading with
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Aboriginal people First Nation people in the northern coast of
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Australia that're coming down from Indonesia and they are after
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: treat pang or vesta mia or sea slugs, and they
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: were tradeing with the indigenous people for thousands of years
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: and they introduced the dingo, which.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: Was like a semi wild dog that the mcasson's had.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: And then they and then they spread right across Australia,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: and that partly responsible for the decline of the thylacine
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: or Tasmanian tiger, which is a dog like carnivore. The
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: marsupil so unrelated. So I heard these bellows and the
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: dingoes were howling as well, because I could compare the
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: calls of the dingoes and then and there was anything,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: nothing like any known animal that was bellowing.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: And then.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Then a couple of decades ago and we moved to
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: this locality as Queensland Southeast and Queensland became highly developed
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: in the population growth likes going on everywhere. Cities are
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: getting larger, and I prefer to live in the countryside
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: in a rural environment. So but only like so, we've
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: we've got small towns of about three thousand or four
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: or five thousand scattered and on the coastline here it's
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: all national parks because it was never it was never
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: farm because it's all sandy sand dunes and wetlands, and
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: so they were turned into national parks decades ago. Okay,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: So it's little villages situated along the coast with sort
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: of wilderness in between. And so I was walking with
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: my dog just near our house here and the and
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: something began moving through the vegetation, vegetation towards us and
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: was cracking two large sticks together, and I got a
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: glimpse of it, but all I could see was a
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: hairy animal maybe one and a half, you know, maybe
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: six or seven feet tall or something.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: You couldn't quite tell.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: But it came towards me and walked back and forth
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: for about twenty minutes, and my dog bark that had
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: a couple of times, and I pushed my way in
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: to try to have a look at it, because I
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: know the animal is harmless. It's not dangerous, just not
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: as if you try to approach a lion or a
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: tiger or something. It's a relatively harmless animal. But most people,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: of course, the majority of people that encountered these animals
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: usually city dwellers out for you know, riding their bikes
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: in the countryside or going for a bushwalk or whatever,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: or sometimes farmers or rural dwellers of course, but you know,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: they're in more forested habitat, and so I couldn't see
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: the animal. But interestingly, in the same locality, our daughter
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: Lauana with her partner Matteo. They are visiting us from Sydney, and.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: They had.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Had an excellent view of the y how he'd actually
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: charged them several times. Oh yeah, yeah, bluff charge and
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: so and so they stood there ground for about ten
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: or fifteen minutes as this thing came crashing through the
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: vegetation with his feet. Dump dump dump dump dump like that,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: and then and then, but they would never actually emerge.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: And they're in the in the nature reserve on a
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: walking track to the beach. And then after ten or
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: fifteen minutes they decided it doesn't want us here, we'd
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: better keep on going. And then it continued to sort
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: of bluff charge them, and they didn't see any sign
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: of it until they got back to that were just
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: off the track a short distance. They got back onto
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: the track because they had just been looking at a
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: great big old tallewood tree and and so, and it
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: ran across the track behind them, so they got a
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: view of it, but only for a few seconds, but
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: because it ran at great speed, and it was an
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: animal about seven feet tall, bipedal and just covered in
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: black hair, and very like an enormous person.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: But very often with the encounters, I mean, like the
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: encounters almost almost coincide with what you hear in in
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: North America and in other parts. You know, like you
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: were saying, but I'm more I would you say, I'm
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: more versed, and you know there's different types here too.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: I want to get into that with the smaller ones
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: maybe like Homo florienza and things like that, Like maybe
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: there's a connection there too. You know, there's uh, there's
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: they have ones called the wood booger. They're more squared
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: off and those is not you know, it's more human like,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: but the teeth are like large, like chick lits, like
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: little pieces of gum. They have like a larger mouth,
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: they're a little bit more aggressive. Then you have things
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: like the skunkp which is a little smaller but smelly.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: And then you have like the big conical ones like
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: you've seen on the Paddy Gimlin film in Bluff Fleet, California.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: So you were telling me that there's two species. There's
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: the large ones you're saying between seven eight foot tall,
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: which is very congruent with what I'm hearing over here.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: But I haven't heard about the smaller one. And you know,
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: recently within the last I say, fifteen years, there was
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: the discovery of the hominid on one of the islands
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: at Indonesia or Malaysa, I'm not sure which one of
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: the home of Floriensis, and you know what I mean.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: So that being out of the realm of exists is
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: I think there was only fifteen thousand years ago supposedly
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: when they actually want to extinct. So that's just very interesting. Well,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: can you tell me about the smaller version of the alley.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's now it's well known as well, either
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: personation people and it's it's it's also known as the
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: little hairy man or the little hairy people are also
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: known as as Juan Juddi or Jungari uh and uh.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: And in this area it's known as a nim Bingi
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: or nim Binge or Nimben and there's a town of
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Nimban named after it. Yeah, and because the animal bunge
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: a lung tradition, you know, folks store folklore folks stories
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: how a a an an elder tried to smoke one
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: of these one of these little miniature hairy men out
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: of a cave and set a fire in the entrance
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: of the cave, but it climbed up out of the
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: out of the cave. So the nimber And area was
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: known as an area where the animals live. And in
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three, a well known Australian festival known as
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: a countercultural alternative festival, the Aquarius Festival, who was set
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: up there and a Nimben is now the alternative town
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: in Australia. It's town nimb And it's named after it's
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: a place full of all kinds of artists and all
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: the buildings are covered in colored painted people and the
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: people are very environmentally and socially aware. And that's only
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: about like one hundred kilometers to the southwest of US
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: where we are at the moment.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: So yeah.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: So it's an animal that stands about a meter tall
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: or less, yeah, at about three feet and so it's
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: known as the hobbit or Homo floresiensis. And it was
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: discovered by Australian and Indonesian palean paleontologists who are excavating
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: a cave on the island of Flores in the eastern
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: archipelago of Indonesia, so that directly above Australia. But Australia
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: has never been connected to Southeast Asia, so we have
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: no Southeast Asian animals. As I said before, Australian animals
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: are ancient Gondwana species, and they're most closely related to
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: South American animals. Astral South America is full of Mars
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: stupios as you know, possible.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: Kabari a color boro color bora. It's like a large
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: it's like a large rat. That's my My golfriend always
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: mentions it. But yeah, there's I see, I see what
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: you're saying. Now they have like that, there's a certain resemblance.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, and and so genetic examination has found that all
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: of the Australian marsupials are related to a little tiny
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: oatpossum that lives in the Antarctic beach forests in the
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: very southern tip of South America. And of course, uh
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: South America was joined directly to Antargogia.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: The Patagonia region.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, so so, so we don't have any Eurasian animals,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: though now we do, of course, because you know, European
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: settlers introduced dogs and cats and foxes and rabbits and
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: and of course cattle and all the domestic stock we've got.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: The only wild camels will hunt camels in the world
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: running through our deserts. We've got wild donkeys, wild horses,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: wild cattle, wild pigs.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know about the camels. I didn't know about
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: the camels. That's amazing.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, desert full of camels. Yeah, they're the only some
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: of the only wild cats left on the planet. Yeah,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: because all the others were domesticated. Uh, you've got some
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: double humped camels living in the Gobi Desert. But and
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't think there's any domestic camels, which
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: is like cattle. You know that there's almost no domestic
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: a wild cattle left are all domesticated, et cetera.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: And wild horses the same thing.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: And so but then of course in in North America
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: you've got what horses, wild wild feral horses.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, we have them on I'm from Baltimore, Maryland. We
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: have them on on the eastern shore down on Ascetic Island,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: the Ocean City, Maryland, and that's a protected area. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: And so Australia's full of wild horses, wild cattle, wild camels,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: wild goats, along with the native animals.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: That's very destructive animals I imagine too, isn't it.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: They They yeah, they can be very and also the
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: great problem was that the Australian indigenous people referred to
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: as Aboriginal people. They they were like all like all
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: traditional people, they lived totally in tune with the environment,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: and they were like fire stick farmers. They are actually farmers.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: There were hunter gatherers, but they were farmers as well. Uh.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: And they they are probably the first people to to
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: grind seeds and make bread. They are are very advanced
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: stone technology and a very very sophisticated understanding of reality,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: the dreaming which relates very much to quantum mechanics, quantum physics,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: so very advanced understanding a reality compared to air, to
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: the to the extremely superstitious understandings of reality for the
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: say the Europeans, you know, with with God, you know,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: with God up in this devil underneath, and and and horrific,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: horrific ideas of reality where you burning hell forever.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: If yeah, I'm a little bit more, Yeah that I've
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: been found myself. I'm a I'm a guy. I'm a
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: man of God, like everyone knows. I'm just not a
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: religious person. I don't I can't get with it. It's
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: not my thing. But I always seem like dreaming it's
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: more like you know, the seed of the soul, the
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: third eye, the the the pineal gland, and the releasing
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: of you know, a diama trip to mean into the
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: body when sleeping, to connect the type of state, and
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there's you know, you can come from many angles.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: If you can go from the mysticism angle, which I prefer,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: and then you can also go from the quantum you know,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: the quantum field, which is also when you get down,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: like really deep into past the quarks and stuff, you
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: basically just come to like, you know, pair relationship between
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: like two two whatever. They call that not atoms but
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: smaller that like elements of atoms. There is a word
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: for it. I'm sure I'm missing particles particles, thank you.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: So it's it's uh, it's so that they're they were
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: there at that stage. Uh speaks a lot that there's
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: a lot that we as Westerners are missing when it
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: comes to Indigenous concepts and ideas that we are like
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: now slowly catching up to by you know, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: separating out giving them their space that they deserve and
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  Speaker 2: actually talking to them and getting into their a lot
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  Speaker 2: of things that they learn about because here there's still
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  Speaker 2: you know, plenty of towns within. I mean, I'm here
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  Speaker 2: in the heart of Mayan country, and there's places here
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  Speaker 2: they don't speak Spanish. You you don't speak mind, they
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  Speaker 2: don't understand you. So there's people go in there and
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  Speaker 2: they actually talk to them and they learned. They know
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  Speaker 2: a lot about plant medicines and and an amazing wealth
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  Speaker 2: of knowledge that we're just slowly realizing that we were
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  Speaker 2: lacking in. Thank you Bigs pharmaceutical for that as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I, so I've lectured a university in
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  Speaker 1: high school students and technical colleges, and this is decades ago.
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  Speaker 1: I was one of the first, and so I created
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  Speaker 1: all the courses, and so I taught zoology, botany, ecology, anthropology,
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  Speaker 1: aboriginal culture, aborage and religion, aboriginal bush medicination to make
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  Speaker 1: the you know, sort of tonics for the students out
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  Speaker 1: of the natural plants, and also taught geography and cosmology.
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  Speaker 1: And so I can explain like that our true reality,
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  Speaker 1: the only thing that exists in the universe is communication.
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  Speaker 1: There is nothing communication, and of course that's what we're
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  Speaker 1: doing communicating. And so I know quantum mechanics and physics
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  Speaker 1: very well, and so we know that that the only
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  Speaker 1: thing that exists in the universe. When you if you
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  Speaker 1: ask a physicist to describe reality, they say that the
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  Speaker 1: universe constructed entirely out of movement. And of course there's
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  Speaker 1: two kinds of movement. There's the straight line movement, which
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  Speaker 1: is sunlight and heat. You know, sunlight traveling at one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and eighty six thousand miles per setters from the sign.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go, mister up.
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  Speaker 1: And it takes like you know, I think it's four
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  Speaker 1: light years four years for the light to reach.
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  Speaker 3: Us from the nearest star.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then remember that, then the other So that's
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  Speaker 1: one form of movement, which is nice radiation, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and then the reality is created by by that straight
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  Speaker 1: line movement the electromagnetic spectrum which which goes you know,
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  Speaker 1: we can see only see the tiny visible light and
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  Speaker 1: then you got ultra violet light and infrared light and
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  Speaker 1: it keeps on going for affinity and we can see
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  Speaker 1: a tiny bit of it. But when that straight line
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  Speaker 1: movement or radiation interacts with the spiraling or circular movement
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  Speaker 1: or radiation, which is of course atomic structures, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we have as we know, we have the atoms and
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  Speaker 1: the atoms consists of a little nucleus in the center
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  Speaker 1: and a little electrons spinning around it, and that's what
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  Speaker 1: we're all composed us with the universes composed of. And
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  Speaker 1: of course originally they thought there was little tiny particles,
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  Speaker 1: but when they looked at them, they discovered now they're
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  Speaker 1: just movement as well. So you've got a little stationary
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  Speaker 1: bit of radiation of movement and these electrons spinning around it,
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  Speaker 1: which are also just energy in themselves, right, So that
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  Speaker 1: means that we're constructed entirely out of energy. And energy
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  Speaker 1: is just our term for movement, or it's another term
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  Speaker 1: for communication, because everything's obviously communicating, you know. Communicating is
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  Speaker 1: one thing interacting with another thing. And so the only
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  Speaker 1: thing that exists is the spirit realm. You know, this
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  Speaker 1: is the astral realm. Nothing else can possibly exist but
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  Speaker 1: the astral realm. There was only the spiritual realm. And
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  Speaker 1: that's why the indigenous people all around the world, and
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  Speaker 1: the Australian Aboriginal First Nation people they all understood because
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  Speaker 1: they lived in the environment and they regarded everything as
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  Speaker 1: spiritual and they were spot on, you know, and they
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  Speaker 1: believed there were spirits everywhere, spirits in the rocks, and
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  Speaker 1: spirits in the trees, and the animals, animals, and they
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  Speaker 1: were all everything had spirits and they were one hundred
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  Speaker 1: percent correct. Because there's a trouble with Western science, which
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  Speaker 1: we've tried to divide everything up, which is a good
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  Speaker 1: idea because then you're can have technology, you can underst
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  Speaker 1: down how everything works. But all these divisions are false.
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  Speaker 1: And so like we see ourselves as individuals, there's you
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  Speaker 1: and I, but we're communicating. And when you look at
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  Speaker 1: what we're constructed out of, we know that we're we're
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  Speaker 1: only looking at the surface of each other and our clothing.
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  Speaker 1: But we can't see the real ass because the real
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  Speaker 1: ass a millimeter inside of us, and we all we
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  Speaker 1: can see really is this dead skin and our clothing technology.
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  Speaker 1: But if we ever saw the real us, we'd be
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  Speaker 1: terrified because we don't know the real last because it's
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  Speaker 1: all the it's all of the blood and the organs
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  Speaker 1: and the and the brain cells and everything else and
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  Speaker 1: the skeleton. Like I mean, the only people that really
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  Speaker 1: know what a human being looks like is some sort
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  Speaker 1: of you know, a surgeons that open us up and
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  Speaker 1: look to see what's inside.
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  Speaker 2: If you're coming through I think if you're coming through
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  Speaker 2: the from the from the purview of like a Newtonian physics,
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  Speaker 2: yes I would kind of see that. But I mean,
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  Speaker 2: isn't there a place for Okay, they're saying, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're saying energy. You know, another synonym for that could
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  Speaker 2: be soul light force. There's something like, you know, we're
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  Speaker 2: like behind the eyes looking out, but we're also out
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  Speaker 2: here at the same time, and there's something to that
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  Speaker 2: as well, you know, like the what because you know,
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  Speaker 2: you can say communicating is you know, the only thing,
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  Speaker 2: but there also could be the idea of consciousness, the
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  Speaker 2: ability to be aware of your own existence, and I
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  Speaker 2: think everyone has that and everything has that. It's just
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  Speaker 2: the size of your antenna is kind of connected to
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  Speaker 2: somehow the size of your brain, for lack of a
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  Speaker 2: better term.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, that's right. So so like the communication obviously
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  Speaker 1: makes consciousness. You can't have consciousness without communication, okay. And
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  Speaker 1: we don't look out, of course, we can only look
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  Speaker 1: in because yeah, see bats and dolphins and things echo
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  Speaker 1: like they can then a pulse out and a reflex
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  Speaker 1: off something like that. But really we only look in
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  Speaker 1: because the sunlight is bouncing off objects and hitting us
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  Speaker 1: into the eye and hits us at the back of
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  Speaker 1: the retina, and we see everything upside down. You can
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  Speaker 1: wear a pair of spectacles that'll turn the images around
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  Speaker 1: and then and then it'll take a month or something.
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  Speaker 1: You take them off, and you see everything upside down,
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  Speaker 1: and your brain's going to turn it around. We're like
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  Speaker 1: a camera a lens, and then so we only see
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  Speaker 1: We only see what the back of our eyeball and
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  Speaker 1: then our brain, and we can only see about fifteen
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  Speaker 1: percent of reality like him, in actual physical reality in
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  Speaker 1: front of us, and our brain creates the rest so
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  Speaker 1: that it creates our vision.
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  Speaker 3: So in a way, we look out, but at the.
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  Speaker 1: Same time we're really looking inwards to be able to
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  Speaker 1: look out because the information has to come. We call
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  Speaker 1: it sunlight, but that sunlight has a wave like property
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  Speaker 1: and a particle like property, which is an impossibility, so
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  Speaker 1: we can't say what sunlight really is. Same way we
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  Speaker 1: haven't really worked out what gravity is. We haven't worked
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  Speaker 1: out the basis of reality even which we exist.
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  Speaker 2: Wonderful though.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we make models of reality.
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  Speaker 1: We make models, but what we are, we are that
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  Speaker 1: reality and as well as that we can't think for ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: You and I we think, oh, where we can think
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  Speaker 1: for ourselves without our own minds, But we don't because
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  Speaker 1: we must remember that we were taught to think. That
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  Speaker 1: our parents and our community taught us to read and
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  Speaker 1: write and think, so we can only have community consciousness.
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  Speaker 1: So the only thing that really exists is no real individuals.
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  Speaker 1: There's only communities. So there's communities of people obviously, and
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  Speaker 1: we're directly connected with our ancestors because our ancestors created us,
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  Speaker 1: and then we're creating the next generation if we reproduce,
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  Speaker 1: and our technology is building up through time, and so
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  Speaker 1: we're directly connected with time and space. But time and
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  Speaker 1: space don't really exist. These are all delusions in our
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  Speaker 1: mind and they are essential delusions so that we can
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  Speaker 1: move through our environment and survive. But there's nothing to
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  Speaker 1: do with reality, which is why even physics today cannot
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  Speaker 1: understand reality. Like you've got Newtonian physics and then you've
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: got quantum mechanics and neither of them match up. And
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  Speaker 1: if that means you don't have an understanding of reality,
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  Speaker 1: that you don't know anything. Because if you wander around
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  Speaker 1: in your house and you've got two different understanding of reality,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that.
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  Speaker 3: Spiritual reality. That means you don't have an understanding of
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  Speaker 3: of of anything. You're you're you're or because.
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  Speaker 1: Say illiterate or uneducated. Because the spirit and the material
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  Speaker 1: world can't be separate because there's only one entity, which
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  Speaker 1: is reality. And so if you're dividing or separating spirit
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  Speaker 1: from you know, material reality, that means you don't have
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  Speaker 1: an understanding of reality. You've got you don't have any
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  Speaker 1: knowledge at all. You're you're totally delusional because there cannot
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  Speaker 1: be any separation between community communication or communication is communication.
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  Speaker 1: There can't be any separation between it.
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  Speaker 2: So it's some type of like there's two magisterias kind
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  Speaker 2: of working at the same time that we for some
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  Speaker 2: reason cannot quantify and say like it's they call it
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  Speaker 2: m theory where they combine the two together. They haven't
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  Speaker 2: been able to do that. Actually, I've heard recently, like
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  Speaker 2: you know, the whole string theory situation seems to be
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  Speaker 2: a dead end. There hasn't been any like anything moving
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  Speaker 2: forward in like the last forty years. There hasn't been
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  Speaker 2: any breakthrough, So we don't know what's going on. But
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  Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. Mister O, I love
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  Speaker 2: I just you know, you know, like when you look
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  Speaker 2: in your children's eyes, or your wives, or your sniffing
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  Speaker 2: other even though they're animals, and being in nature. I
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  Speaker 2: enjoy nature like you. You've been deeper and darker than
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  Speaker 2: I have, which is fantastic. I don't. I'm a little afraid,
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  Speaker 2: a little scaredy cat, but I am less scared than
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  Speaker 2: most city dwellers, and I enjoy it out there, a mensa.
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  Speaker 2: I enjoy much more than the oceans. Oceans are pretty
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  Speaker 2: are they're great, but I don't want to be underwater.
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  Speaker 2: I want to be with the land animals.
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  Speaker 1: The best places be in the forest, of course, absolutely, yeah, yeah, so.
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  Speaker 1: And the world is wonderful. And it's the delusions following
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  Speaker 1: these delusions that of you know, all the hatred and
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: all the warfare and everything else, and the unhappiness and everything,
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  Speaker 1: because the only nature exists. There is nothing nothing but nature.
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  Speaker 1: There is nothing artificial, because everything comes from natural. There's
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: only one living entity in existence, and that's and the
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: known existence, and that's the surface of the planet. Because
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: as we know, we've listened to tried to see if
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  Speaker 1: there's any sounds coming from space or whatever. Our astronomers
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: have examined vast quantities of space and the universe is
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  Speaker 1: basically dead.
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  Speaker 2: Signal that they got back in the sleet seventies.
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  Speaker 1: They got that one where they're not saying there aren't extraterrestrials.
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  Speaker 1: And I've actually named, I scientifically named thirty species of
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  Speaker 1: extraterrestrial twenty years ago. Yeah, yeah, and it's completely unknown.
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  Speaker 2: Mister open What do you know about extra terrestrials?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Now, enormous amount of boud extraterrestrials. Okay, can we all about.
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  Speaker 2: To do you have time? Yeah? Yeah, okay, Tom, would
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  Speaker 2: you would you be offended if I if it would
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  Speaker 2: be okay with defendis wrong? Will you be okay if
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: I say, okay, this is the end of the show here.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: I put you on like an overtime thing like for
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: for people want to continue on. Okay, okay, So this
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: is the break, guys, And one second, I'll just go
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: into my little spiel and I'll cut it and throw
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  Speaker 2: it over on the other thing. I've never done it before,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: but I'm enjoying the conversation, which you So let's do that. Okay, guys,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: if you want to go over and catch the rest
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: of the interview. This is my first time. I'm gonna
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: put it over and I think it's called Patreon and
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: I got to look into it. But I'm enjoying my conversation,
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  Speaker 2: mister Open. So remember we are the I, we are aware.
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  Speaker 2: Love you all, good night. M